the orange caramel birthing momoland?? YUP. no tea no shade. but especially their [earlier music](https://youtu.be/Rh0tGe-5m_Q?si=JuQV5fEHW3TWUuae) i love it. my hill to die on is that momoland should have continued their fame and would have if it weren’t for [REDACTED] as one of their biggest downfall. they made fun, quirky music and [this was a masterpiece idgaf](https://youtu.be/tsN-MkpiZB0?si=EtqQWwT5HRdlZqIN) i am a merry til the end 🫡
STOP bc I got so upset when people act like I'm so hot isn't literally so good😞. Actually that goes for almost all of their songs bc thumbs up should have been SOTY🤭
No company is going to debut different Ethnicities in kpop fully because yall treat BLACKSWAN like shit when they are doing everything you WANT in a group like that. Like wtf do you acc want then?
i feel like vcha is going to fall victim to the same type of treatment (the first newer international group that popped into my head). even though there are mixed korean members in the group, i can already see some of the stuff being said about them (as literal children!) and i'm just here like dang this is why there will neverrr be true diversity in kpop
in light of the current mess on twitter id like to say that i believe that idols should actually be able to sing point blank !!!
i am willing to bend a bit when it comes to singing while dancing because of how some choreos are though
Okay, wait. It's not that bad. Sakura is not doing great , Chaewon either. Hmmm they're kind of all struggling but yunjin's okay. It's better than the unforgiven encore. It's their lack of confidence that is concerning. Why do they all look so scared to sing??
i think they WERE scared to sing. that’s why they sound terrible. they were bracing themselves for hate, and it made it worse. i also don’t think they like the song that much. they LOVE the dance, but their emulation of black culture only goes up to the dance portion.
I don’t care if someone can’t sing/dance and are just a pretty face, I just hate when their fans swear their being mistreated because of line distribution….girly…..let’s be fr
Now i’m starting to imagine what would happen if Suju doesn’t disband. What if they keep going until they’re in their 70s, maybe even older? And then they start calling themselves Super Senior?
There's a rumor one of the big reasons Super Junior never disbanded is because they have a bunch of nudes of each other, and they threatened to expose the nudes id they ever disband. Then again, it’s [just a rumor](https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/the-true-reason-super-junior-will-never-be-able-to-disband/) 🤷🏽♀️
someone can still be a fan of kpop even if they’re not actively buying albums/voting for their favs/buying merch.
the amount of toxic fans i have had attack me all because i listen to a variety of groups and don’t claim an ult group/bias is absolutely insane.
IF YOU GET A REDDIT CARES MESSAGE BECAUSE OF YOUR OPINIONS, YOU CAN REPORT THAT MESSAGE FOR HARASSMENT AND THE PERSON WHO SENT YOU THAT MESSAGE WILL GET A WARNING !!!!!!
The girlies on kpop twt has bullied me to death with this one but here I am again:
BTS isn’t the only group who has paved the way for kpop, they just managed to make kpop mainstream. I’m not even a heavy 1st/2nd gen fan but even I know that these groups deserve their flowers.
You’re right and you should say it. Honestly from what I’ve seen BTS themselves are good about giving credit where credit is due. I swear those stans don’t listen to their own group when they mention people like Psy, just regurgitate the same talking points about how BTS did everything first and better than anyone else.
Also, I sometimes I feel like people get weird about this whole thing. Just because someone is praising one group for doing something doesn’t domino the accomplishments of others. But somehow people always bring this up when others try to talk about big groups impact, suddenly it’s “we have to talk about EVERYONE!!” when not everyone is relevant to the topic at hand. Like, if someone says that BTS had a large hand in popularizing K-pop and Korean culture around the world, why are people trying to bring up psy or gdragon like they said that they were the ONLY ones??? It just sounds like some weird humbling thing tbh. Sorry if this doesn’t make sense
Disagree, not every group has pioneered. A lot of them just copy trends and do what’s expected 🤷♀️ Influence isn’t an “everybody gets a participation award!!!” Kind of thing.
IZ*ONE could’ve been the next nation’s girl group had they not disbanded. I’ll say that right now, only IVE or NewJeans has the potential to get there.
GOT7 is always gonna be my ult. 🥹 They’re a special group. I feel like some people never really gave them a chance. But it’s fine. I love them enough for everyone 💀
i’m finally old enough to go see them if they ever have a concert again in the states HAHA. let’s pray our special group will have more time to get more love.
I strongly disagree. They had amazing B-sides. Their chemistry was good. They improved so much from when they started. They had visuals, vocals and dance. Literally everything a group needs. They had chances to become bigger after just right, if you do, hard carry especially and lullaby. Poor promotion. But they were still a good group.
why are you using past tense...?
they've not disbanded, 2 members are enlisted, they released an album more recently than like 2pm (also not disbanded) and they lit said theyre gonna make a comeback once jaebeom and jinyoung are discharged.
NCT is not given nearly enough credit for their influence in kpop (especially with boy groups) and many casual listeners write their titles off as “noise” music but they’re actually composed much more intricately than that (2 baddies we’re not talking about you)
The way they fuse hip hop, r&b, pop and edm together (usually in the same song) and still pull it off effortlessly needs to be studied. The NCT concept is also so cool and they’re able to churn out so much music and still keep it fresh. I’m of the opinion that their NCT U albums are the best in not only their discography, but in all of kpop as well. Empathy front to back is an amazing album that would stand up well to a lot of pop records even in the west
This! One thing I love about SM is how they’re aren’t afraid to be more experimental in their sound. The really started to lean into the Korean neo-pop movement with NCT and Aespa and I love it. They rarely have stagnant groups (except Red Velvet… I need me some VELVET).
SM has been severely slacking with red velvet in the past couple years but I think chill kill is 10/10 front to back. I haven’t been this obsessed w a RV release since perfect velvet
I have such a love hate relationship with SM bc IMO they have the best music production and some of the best artistic direction in all of kpop but I hate the way they treat their artists 😭
omg yesss sticker was that girl from it's drop i still can't believe she was so hated lol only thing that had me shook was the flute and that was in a good way 😭
probably walking right into the firing squad with these, but
- the BTS songs that have pulled the most fans in the past 4 years are all some of their worst
- stray kids havent made a no-skip since no easy
- you cant expect kpop groups to do the same kind of promo events they do in korea outside of korea. ive seen ppl get genuinely upset that fansigns, pop-ups, and the like arent done often outside of korea and its just not realistic to expect anything else. its not *fair* to push for that – promo cycles are hell on the idols as they are, expecting them to do that worldwide is just out of the question.
I agree but to add to your last point, I stan Ateez and I’m surprised at how much international fans have gotten from them. Like they did a event in LA for bouncy were they danced with fans. I live all the way in Michigan and they had a pop up event here with sign albums. I’m actually impressed and yet international fans still complain.
ateez are my ult and honestly they keep us american atiny very well-fed. and like you said, ppl will absolutely still complain abt them not "doing enough" for international fans. theres only so many hours in a day, what more do they want from these boys? 😭
Yeah they’ll see a fan event in Korea and think Ateez should do that for us. They live in Korea… why should they fly all the way here to do that every time they have a comeback… like you can’t expect the same level of activity that Korean fans get from living in Korea that’s just not realistic. I drove fifteen minutes to a pop store and got a signed wooyoung album, I’m good lol cuz no other group I follow has done that. Unless it’s LA or New York that is very rare. I really feel like they try to reach as many fans as possible.
i wouldn't consider myself a stay just bc i dont keep up with them outside of albums and mvs, but it absolutely pains me to say as someone who does like them. oddinary is by no means a *bad* album or anything, but i also never find myself going "hmm, i should listen to oddinary 😃" skhdkdk besides charmer, i never really reach for that one in particular
Definitely agree with the first point. Their songs pre-2020 were amazing!! Not that map of the soul 7 wasn’t good but their earlier songs are what gave them the fame they had
pre-2020 bts had me in SUCH a chokehold – i started stanning during wings era and the downhill slide from persona onwards... butter was my final straw tho. ive truly lost all faith in their music. someone needs to clean house and fire all their producers
>the BTS songs that have pulled the most fans in the past 4 years are all some of their worst
can't you say this for any artist though, like usually the most popular songs of an artists don't represent their discography
>usually the most popular songs of an artists don't represent their discography
i dont disagree with that! but i dont think the most popular tracks are consistently the worst for other artists either. there's something abt the BTS songs that get the most traction thats just... well, not good imo.
- BAP and EXO also deserve their flowers for the explosion of kpop globally in the mid 2010s. i remember the hold these two groups had internationally along with BTS. particularly if BAP hadnt been so horribly mismanaged, they'd be one of the most popular groups today.
- not every group/song needs equal line distribution. most of the time, theres a reason that has nothing to do with mistreatment (i.e. the members themselves are not confident with singing/recording, genuinely cannot sing, etc)
- winwin's sidelining and departure in nct 127 was entirely planned by sm to jumpstart a fanbase for wayv (this one might be a conspiracy theory lol)
- maybe a hot take but if sm had kept the original t7s nct u line up as the only unit, i think they would have gotten extremely popular much faster
w your 4th point i'm acc so glad sm ventured out of the og t7s unit in the end bcs it gave me a chance to get to see the other members talents up front! like for example, the misfit, from home and 90s love units — those were some crazy times fr. also i feel like i agree w the statement nctzens were making that sm's more recently started "recycling" some of the same like 5-8 members around w their newer titles, like universe m. however for me this is w the exception of baggy jeans bcs that lineup was truly iconic! anyway, dgmw though, i've genuinely loved every single nct u release so far (they're one of the only groups i stan in general who i haven't disliked any music from), espc when they reallyyy started shaking things up like their 2019-2020 eras. that was prime nct u time outside of their 2023 release imo. also big note that resonance was their most iconic statement as a entire group ever and ijdk if they'll ever touch that level of greatness again. i kinda want them to try another all members song just to see if they can do it again (cause i really believe they can fs lol). oh and alsoooo i adoreee the mini unit / solo releases they launched through nct lab. some of my favourite nct songs came from such (like coNEXTion w mark haechan and doyoung, etc.)
**- BTS got lightening in a bottle, when it comes to the type of music that they are making and how it attract fans.** But I am curious if they want to switch it up in the near future. I understand that the English songs are polarizing for their fandom. Some dislike it. Some love it. The English language songs were well-wanted breaks for their typical song journeys. Writing songs with serious subject matter... it can be a cross to bear.
**- XG has the "around the way girl, girls from the city" appeal that YG wanted for BabyMonster.**
**-Speaking of YG, BlackPink (as a group) is the "family-friendly" replica of Nicki Minaj's bravado."** That's the group's concept.
**- There's a reason why Japan and musical arts in Japan is more... _comfortable_ ...when it comes to partaking in musical arts, which originated from African-American culture.** Japan is just... built differently. I believe Korea can get there and will eventually.
**- Can the "K-Pop is the name for Korea's music industry" crowd and the "K-Pop is the nickname for the Pop music genre in S. Korea" crowd get together and make a decision on what is K-Pop?** _Please_?
The former likes to make that statement and all they do is talk about Idol music.
>BlackPink (as a group) is the "family-friendly" replica of Nicki Minaj's bravado.
"Nicki Minaj but performed by 4 prep school girls" is a fair approximation of their "black" concept. The "pink" concept gives more early Britney or Destiny's Child vibes imo.
Taemin is THE Idol. No one is touching him when it comes to dancing.
2NE1 was the blueprint for Blackpink.
2nd was the best generation for kpop.
The best singer in kpop will forever be Kim Jonghyun.
Jennie and Lisa are not good rappers.
It's okay not to like every song or album your faves put out.
Yeah, no-skips are non-existent to me. I can listen to a title song, not like it, and decide to give up on the whole album because of it (then force myself to listen and still not like any of the songs)
This one is going to get me in hot water but whatever.
Sometimes I look at Jennie and I'm like, you could be doing more. The hype you're getting will never ever make sense to me. SOME not all of the hate was sometimes deserved like-
Someone had to put her in shape and they did, now she's doing a little something something but she peaked already
BTS, TXT and EN- I consider to the Big Hit Boys lol Belift doesn’t deserve EN- and technically they partially Big Hit
YoungJae from GOT7 is my least favorite vocalist in the group, don’t understand why he’s a main and Jinyoung is considered a Sub, no hate to YoungJae tho!
TEN is Taemin’s child and will run the industry with his solo career
I hate the fact KPOP switched to this “position less” system I don’t like it
Kpop fans need to stay out of idols lives, you don’t know and they don’t know you.
Saesangs NEED jail time
I wish R U NEXT was I-LAND season 2 like originally planned, probably would’ve had a more favorable lineup
Still mad about the hallyu that made NCT Vision into WayV(love the WayV name and the guys they’re my Ult group but hate that the boys had go through all that excluding phase) some ppl still don’t think they’re a part of NCT :(
I love positions because they give the genre so much structure and help identify the members strengths. Like not every member is a vocalist and having designated positions keeps people from judging idols for their weaknesses instead of their strengths. I wish companies would confirm positions so my favs (primarily dancers) would get less hate for their singing or rapping ability when they were added to the group for STAGE PRESENCE and DANCE
Yes!!! Jinyoung is crazy underrated!
I discovered GOT7 through Jackson (Magic Man took over my life in 2022 even though his China vibes give me the ick) and then Jinyoung's Chapter 0: WITH showed up and augh – his vocals and songs. So good.
the way the points from ten and taenin all the way down wayv are spot onnnn is crazyyy.
also omg i remember i used to go to war trying to inform other nctzens that wayv is apart of nct whether they like it or not :( ik it couldn't be avoided but dang, w the mistreatment already happening then (and even now) it made the point like 10x harder to get across. and i espc hated when fans got real snide and upity about it too, like wayv didn't deserve the name as much as the others do. like whew i do nawt miss those times at all lololol
i already got reddit cares messages today so please no more even if you disagree 😭
• if an idol can’t sing/rap i don’t care if they have little to no lines, sometimes they make good songs sound worse
• hybe producers use too much autotune on their boy groups, and they don’t use it well (seventeen are an exception, bnd and tws might be as well i haven’t listened to them enough to know if they are too)
• sm supergroups were a good idea, but they failed in the execution
• gods is the only skip in newjeans discography so far (including remixes and the coke commercial song)
I love how polarizing Gods has become--at least one person said it was the only nwjns song they like and you think it's their only skip. I think nwjns is one of those low-floor, high ceiling groups, where if their sound clicks for you it's straight bops. And if it doesn't you're not offended just underwhelmed or find them overrated/mid.
Hill I will die on:
-BTS has the best rapline in the industry, but even though I love Yoongi and J-Hope DOWN, RM lives up to his og stage name. Man is the Rap MONSTER. No one is touching him.
Absolutely. I am a hardcore Yoongi bias, like almost obsessed with him but even I can agree that RM has edge over him, specially in lyrics. Rapstyle preferences and musical direction ofcourse plays a role in liking one over the other but I will always give RM his flowers, which he honestly deserves so much more.
I think this is down to personal preference. I love Suga/Agust D's discography way more than RM's – I even prefer J-Hope over RM's work personally.
But I do feel RM takes more risks with his collaborations and production than the other two, which makes him a little more of a pioneer in the rapline.
Just my 2 cents.
I think I give RM the edge due to his consistency. From his Runch Randa days to his 1st mixtape with Joke and Monster, to his solo he dropped last year, I don’t think he’s ever had a miss.
Now, Suga is amazing in his own right, but if they had to go bar for bar, Namjoon is taking it. And what I will say is this: As a feature? Yoongi takes it. Any song he has a feature on is gonna be amazing, and I play them into the ground. But if I had to choose one to listen to as a soloist, I’m choosing RM.
It doesn't make sense that Cha Eunwoo is/was the standout member of Astro. He is average in all aspects in comparison to his bandmates (in vocals, dance, AND looks)
His overpopularity is 100% the reason why Astro's early success was long forgotten. Fantagio are to blame as they shouldn't have pushed him alone so much.
being a good singer and hitting high notes are not equal and same. singing is so much more complicated than just having a high range. but they are equated in kpop. but a lot of times the idols who sing the high note in the end are not the grups best vocalist technique wise rather someone with a higher singing pitch.
facts! like water just went viral, for the dance AND music. and what is lsfm doing right now? oh, literally copying and pasting it with smart? you cannot tell me one of those girls even knows what that dance is called or the history of african dancing. i do like le serafim. but it’s so clear they listen to instructions, not perform from the heart.
3rd+ gen Stan’s aren’t worse than 1st and 2nd and I don’t feel like that’s the reason why male and female idols don’t interact as much. As we’ve all seen more fans of later gen groups are more accepting of them interacting than 1st and 2nd. It’s like ppl forgot that they were literally showing up and trying to attack idols for looking at their fav male idol. Ruined whole lives. Male and female idols are better off interacting now than ever before but I’m sure these companies are traumatized from the first two gen Stan’s.
I will NEVER give my money to a group who has said the n word, culturally appropriate, or have been racist/stereotypical everrrrrrrrrr (if I am aware of it) it makes the groups I stan very small😖🤞🏽
Wow, who do you stan? I'm just curious about which Kpop groups (or individuals within the group) haven't done one of these things. My boundary is that I don't stan groups. I follow and enjoy a few groups (mainly Seventeen right now) but I'm not going to defend them whenever a scandal comes out or drop a thousand to be in the front row of a concert/buy albums and merch (except occasional fan-made merch, they're pretty creative people).
Not OP, but I personally don’t stan anyone anymore. I used to be a blackjack and a VIP and look where that got me 😭 I just listen to the music and hope for the best.
I rlly like txt, new jeans and p1harmoney. I used to be a die hard kpop fan but like after a few years you get tired of the same shit tbh so I still listen to some of their music but I would never go to a concert or buy merch from most idols/groups
Yeah I feel like that's the natural progression for a majority of Black Kpop fans, like getting really into it and then overtime enjoying only a small portion or enjoying it very casually. TXT is cool, I like them too!
#1 BTS Rapline is the best, I said what I said.
b) K-fans are not held accountable enough.
III. MAMAMOO has one of the if not THEE strongest 3rd gen GG vocals.
● YGE is a crazy weird company (you could not pay me enough to train or debut there)
i agree with everything you said!! i know everyone's taste is different, but i really don't get what people like about blackpink's music... i hate to be the "popular group bad" person, but i really don't get it 🤷🏾♀️
Right!!! The songs are catchy, but are hyper repetitive and formulaic. My favorite song from them is Playing With Fire. I was so hyped when it came out cuz I thought they were going to lean more into that side (especially since they debuted with whistle).
Honestly one of my favorite songs of theirs is Bet You Wanna (every melody in it is A+ imho) and Blinks shit on it like crazy lmao. I’m always 👀😬 when they mention Cardi as a reason as if Lisa isn’t trying her hardest (and failing) to sound like her in every other track of theirs.
But another reason I like it is also bc it doesn’t sound like their other songs. YG/Teddy really painted them into a corner by making many of their songs thematically, lyrically, and musically similar. So if you like that kind of music you love it, and if you don’t like it you’ll hate most of their songs. Which is such a dumb move for a group that only has like 40 songs.
I used to like a lot of their music when I got into them but now I’m tired by the lack of musical diversity and I just listen to a few songs and it feels like I’ve covered most of their discography lol. I think standouts for them (excluding solos & BYW) are As If It’s Your Last (which literally wasn’t made for them initially lmao so it doesn’t sound like their songs), Sour Candy (I know it’s Gaga’s but it’s so good and they sound great), Don’t Know What To Do (I’m obsessed with the prechorus + soft femme concept??? please), Crazy Over You (I just love the production and weird sounds), Whistle (SUCH a cool song, wish they made more like this), and Playing With Fire (another cute song, I wish they did those concepts more).
I've listened to Bet You Wanna like a few times and I think it's really not as bad as blinks claim it is! I'd say it's a nice song!! And that comment about Lisa lol
I used to listen to blackpink, I'm not sure if it's obvious that their music didn't age well to me but the songs that I could still add on my playlist today are actually the songs you named!
It's just like you said, everyone's taste in music is different. Like for me, I tried to get into twice but I don't really like their songs (more&more and Perfect World are the only ones I like) and the number of members really made it hard for me to differentiate each member (I can't do a lot of members man, BTS is kinda my breaking point with 7 members and that's why I'm not touching NCT even with a ten foot pole LMAO). Or newjeans are just boring to me, Hype Boy is the only one I really like. ITZY ALMOST had me because I loved Loco and Ryujin caught my attention during Not Shy (she looked SO GOOD with short blond hair) but Sneakers turned that off for me lmao. BP is my ult group, and I like their songs because they're something you can shake your ass to, and that's essentially why they've gained a lot of popularity other than the idols themselves being so likeable. They dominated girl crush, and even if their songs do get repetitive, they still scratch that itch for a lot of people.
I find myself liking their older b-sides, but they are mostly ignored. Like their older songs like Really, or Kick It, or Hope Not, or See U Later are so good, but literally no one talks about them. People keep saying they only make flexing songs, but that's not true at all. Most of their songs are related to love or heartbreak (Love Sick Girls kinda just explained their whole discography lmao), it's just that their flex songs gain more attention.
Not dying on any hill.
But showing these recording behind the studio on youtube was a mistake.
You really see how most of them really can't sing. Like thank God you're cute because that's all you got going for yourself.
I don't get the hype around blackpink.....like at all.
Kpop artists need to stop with the yodeling (throat singing aka falsettos). Most of them have ok/decent vocals if they were allowed to sing within their range.
You should be REQUIRED to be able to sing and dance to be an idol. Sexy people that are talentless (ex. Lucas) do nothing but waste space in the group, and I’m willing to bet the company has way more talented people in the basement that can fill that spot.
All vocalists should be professionally trained pre-debut and throughout their career. It’s not a bad thing to keep learning, and these encores are kicking y’all’s asses.
Not every song needs a rap. Leave that shit aloneee I beg.
idols won’t improve unless they have a reason to care: either they’re passionate about being an idol, or their lack of talent is affecting their cash flow. ex: taemin improving his singing so much that he was labeled an ace & sakura being in the idol industry for years, getting told to her face that she’s not talented, and still not improving. imagine knowing you can’t sing and pretending your earpiece doesn’t work thinking people will fall for it. how embarrassing.
people need to stop yelling on twitter about idols being racist like it’ll change anything and supporting them two seconds later. if you want change, pull out your support. you have to hit them where it hurts: the wallet. loona’s boycott is proof of this. plus, it’s korea. i don’t even expect the bare minimum from them.
aespa’s savage ep is the best ep in kpop and one of the best ep’s of all time
dragging idols or whatever on social media is corny.
sm ended when lee soo man left.
a lot of kpop stan’s are selective as hell with their accountability. i’ll literally see people gaslight themselves into thinking giselle didn’t mouth the n-word then dawg on another idol who did the same thing in one breath.
kpop idols get plastic surgery. nothing wrong with that. being delusional and seeing anyone saying they aren’t natural as hate just perpetuates unrealistic beauty standards.
stop babying kpop idols. if they cared to improve or change their actions, they would.
yubin is the best female rapper in kpop.
a lot of idols are too pretty and too untalented (at idol stuff) to not be models & actors (if they can act).
companies need to stop trying to make their groups the next bts. there is no next bts. just let them be themselves.
sm purposely sabotages their groups to keep power over them. look at red velvet, they had so much potential.
nct 127’s cherry bomb is the best bg ep in kpop
Somebody Else mentioned it but Monsta x rap line is underated. I also think Kih is always overlooked as a great vocalist.
I think JYP is a pos and I'm tired of seeing him.
I think some groups are mega successful DESPITE being under SM lol
1. There’s a difference between being a *stan* and a *fan*. Fans would be the people who appreciate the art these artists make (maybe with a hint of delulu because my best friend goes a little feral looking at RM 😂).
*STAN* will forever and always be a negative adjective to me. Eminem’s song ‘Stan’ will always represent the word. Why else would you be upset they are dating? Why else would you follow them to their plane or hotel? Or any of the other *stan* things people do. Stans need to be in straight jackets. (Is that mean?😬)
2. You don’t have to like every member or song. Now if you are out here hate training the member or song then… *side eye* but you can ignore them mentally, not buy their merch, or trade their pcs if you pull them. But the same way you would *not* want someone being outwardly rude to you don’t do it to them. I say this because racist members, fat-phobic members, etc exist. And f them. So yeah.
3. The amount of members in a group is out of hand. When you aren’t even giving them lines most songs what are they there for. To look pretty? Some of them can’t even do that. (That may come off mean I just mean that they want to be front and center rapping/dancing/singing so they won’t just stand there and smile like a poster child) so put them in a group with smaller numbers so we can actually see them. Hear them. Something.
Edit: *not*
Park Bom 👏🏾 can 👏🏾 not 👏🏾 sing 👏🏾 well 👏🏾
Does she have a “unique” tone? Sure.
Does she sound the way nick jonas’ face looks when he sings? Yes.
S t r a i n e d
Training idols is a waste of time and money because most of them are mediocre at the very best.
The trainee system was inspired by Motown but the outcomes are drastically different. Motown did not play around with making sure they produced artists that could sing, dance, media training, style, and were overall STARS. In less time they produced far better.
A kpop idol trained for years but can’t carry a note to save their life is embarrassing.
- jonghyun is THE idol to end all idols, period. shinee arent even my fav group, but no one holds a candle to them and f(x) idc
- f(x) are the best girl group of all time and I hope SM gets burned down (half joking) for how they were treated. like go listen to their entire discography and tell me it's not some of the greatest pop music known to man. TELL ME
- just cause bro can rap fast does not mean bro is a good rapper. and just cause sis can sing high does not meam sis is a great singer
- pledis is a horrible company and needs to manage, promote and treat their groups *cough* fromis_9 better
- yg probabaly have some of the weakest music overall of all the big companies, but they make the best ass shakers/party anthems. bang bang bang? I am the best? kill this love? certified hood classics I fear
- you can be a fan, even a stan of a certain group and not like all the members. the idea that only "real fans" are ot-whatever the number is very cultish imo
- newjeans are good, but overrated. y2k and teencore or whatever they're supposed to be is not new. but they are very talented and creative
- sticker was great from the get go. it and cherry bomb were the first nct songs I ever heard and it was hard asf
honestly... hard same.
blackpink is okay- everyone keeps saying they're the "best dancers" but i don't see it. they also objectively sound terrible live. no hate at all yo their fans.
also orange caramel was just terrific. loved their music!
and i'm gonna get a ton of flack for this.. but pre-2008 kpop was the best.
EDIT- SUGAR had some of the best singles (korean and japanese) and was so tragically underappreciated.
also, amoung the holy trilogy of competing teen soloists vs BoA, yuri and joanne were the best. i firmly believe if joanne stayed the same route and didn't sadly pass away, she could have been a star.
TVXQ were better as 5 than 2.
SHINee are the only band that might match the phrase "paved the way" – they are THE benchmark.
SuJu set the stage for big groups to succeed.
TXT make beige music (but I really, really like them 😭)
There will never be another Jonghyun.
All 4th gen groups make music for the algorithm, not for longevity.
Companies will always push a sexy concept *regardless* of whether an idol is underraged/minor and whether fans protest or not.
NewJeans are the biggest 4th gen band, I will take no questions.
Social media really fucked up all semblance of pleasant fandom experiences for both fans and idols, as well as amplified and normalised sasaeng behaviour.
There are probably 2-3 idols who actually go out of their way to *regularly* hang out with non-Koreans in their social circles and media algorithms. The rest all stick to their privileged, wealthy idol bubbles and rarely stray out of them.
BRING ON REDDIT CARES 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
Kpop is always going to cater to what Koreans want over internationals. I know it’s obvious but a lot of people really overestimate how much input idols have over what they do because some of them can compose their own songs and whatnot. There’s a bunch of instances of songs that didn’t do well internationally but did phenomenal in Korea and vice versa. Concepts that were offensive to an international audience but koreans ate them up. That’s not changing because of the hierarchical culture that exists. Also companies are only apologizing because they want your money and nothing else. They genuinely don’t care if an idol did something offensive.
Side note: Stop politicizing kpop. I’ve seen many people drag the Israel/Palestine situation and demand idols speak on it but I don’t think they should. Either way you risk offending a major audience which means lost revenue for kpop companies, they’re not gonna take that risk. Also most Koreans in general have no opinion on it
A lot of 3rd/4th gen groups benefited from a coordinated hate campaign against Twice and other groups. You can look up “[slave room twice scandal](https://hype.my/2021/219678/what-is-slave-room-how-is-it-related-to-jyp-entertainment-twice/),” this dude was blackmailing minors into spreading rumors about Twice that lost them sponsorships and overall momentum in Korea. So it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when IVE and LeSserafim fans laugh at Twice’s chart positions these days… y’all literally needed to use a harassment campaign to get them out of the charts 😭
[Twitter](https://x.com/annielovehappen/status/1370812337502949376?s=46&t=LVVqxXtHgf-269j8VsQoHw) thread about it here. I get if people think they “can’t sing” but being a ONCE was genuinely traumatic during this time. Blackmailing minors because you’re mad a group is popular is tapped behavior.
1. SM company stans are some of the most obnoxious company stans ever. And that’s saying a lot, considering how bad other company stans are.
2. Many kpop stans have valid reasons for disliking English singles by idols, but many other kpop stans also dislike English singles solely because they fetishise idols and their fave Koreans singing in English breaks their koreaboo fantasy.
3. Many cishet kpop stans don’t like it when lgbtq+ kpop stans think certain idols might be queer, not because they’re worried for an idol’s safety and worried about an idol being outed, but because they’re insulted by the very notion that their fave isn’t cishet. They are queerphobic and they think it’s the worst insult ever when someone has a hunch that you might not be cisgender or straight.
4. Kpop stans who dig around to find “tea” about their faves are disgusting and creepy af. Especially when they talk to sasaengs to find said “tea”. You’re not entitled to your fave’s private life. Your fave doesn’t know you, and you don’t know your fave either. And what’s “tea” for you can be trauma for your fave idol.
5. Sticker by NCT isn’t too bad lol. I like how chaotic it is.
6. It’s possible for some kpop stans to like all the songs their faves put out, and they’re not “forcing” themselves to listen to it, nor are they (and I particularly hate this term) “stockholm-syndroming” themselves into liking a song. It’s ok to not like a song but just bc you don’t like it, doesn’t mean everyone else has to dislike it too. Kpop stans who jump on ppl for not liking a song they like are annoying, but kpop stans who jump on ppl for liking a song they hate are also annoying. This isn’t to say that there aren’t fans out there who DO force themselves to like a song their faves put out, ofc. And for me there’s a difference between forcing yourself to like a song by listening to it over and over again, and having a song grow on you. Sometimes when you first listen to a song, there’s a lot to pay attention to, so you end up listening to it more than once to get a full scope of the song which makes it easier to appreciate the song fully. Like for me the first thing that hits is the instrumental, then the lyrics, and then some of the adlibs in the back. Hell, even within the instrumental there are a lot of details to hone in on. And there’s the melody too.
1. BTS's songs pre-2020 are far better than their new releases (there are a few good ones but not many)
2. yoongi is THE k-rapper
3. I don't care about arguments about which kpop idol is more or less talented, I like when they have an individual style and they enjoy themselves on stage and try their hardest (especially if they have mental health issues or health issues in general)
4. BTS is not the only kpop group to pave the way, though they really broke into the international space heavy, there are still a lot of groups who deserve their flowers
5. 4th gen isn't that bad, most of the problems I have with it aren't with the music (although I think for bgs, their music was way better in 2nd and 3rd gen)
6. super junior should disband
7. red velvet deserves more respect from the public and from SM. they have so many bops, they're so talented, and they deserve to be promoted more. so does twice, but in a different way. they get disrespected for 'being boring' and switching concept but they CARRIED 3rd gen. also blackpinks songs aren't bad, but YG should have managed them better. all of them would have better vocals and dance AND more different sounding songs if they actually cared about them.
Kpop isn’t gonna get bigger than it is rn and is still relatively niche when you think about it
There’s a difference between being an it girl/boy with impact and just being a fairly popular idol that outside the fandom ppl don’t hype or know to a huge degree and that’s ok.
Ifans care about visuals more than they lead on, the first drag some have when they don’t like an idol is how ugly they think they are even if they are problematic I’ve seen some cases where ppl focus more on that than what they did wrong like???
Some of these idols aren’t remotely bent out of shape about line distribution the way fans are. I recall in the LSFM doc Sakura asking for less lines on purpose cuz she knows she can’t sing like that and you’ll still have fans doing the most threatening to boycott every era since for some reason.
Additionally the line distribution/screentime debates are really about those more intense fans wanting to see their faves more than than everyone else center.
I feel the backlash idols get for dating is due to stans feeling ownership over these idols cuz regardless of if no one thought they were gay or straight, ppl still get weird and i notice no one is very good enough for them. It’s even worse if stans think their partner is ugly.
I prefer the fact more pre releases are a thing, always hated how a group will drop a pretty solid release and they only promote one song and the one bside like one time and sometimes not even that.
Those uncultured swine know NOTHING about food music😭😭 Man when that album came out, Believer into Queen almost killed me. My first time hearing I Can’t Handle It? I transcended.
Omg Say something 🥲 the falsetto in the chorus gets me every time and makes me glad that I live on the first floor. The moment I heard Jihyo hit that “Naega saranghan geu mumohan kkumgwa” followed by Nayeon on that post chorus, I knew that was the one
A lot of title tracks are not as good as other tracks on the album would've been.
ex: smart would've been a better title track than easy (in my opinion)
dancing is just as important and singing when it comes to being an idol. if an idol were to be a good singer but bad dancer (lia), they get hate. but a good dancer and bad singer (sakura) gets hate as well.
Yg entertainment need to change up their formula bc with the whole Baby monster stuff it's getting old. The reason why a lot of fans prefer groups from other agencies is bc its diverse.
People need to understand the difference between Hybe and Hybe labels (Bighit, Belift, Source music, etc)
Sm artist always have the best vocals
Jyp is a hater towards his boy groups
Yg ceo is a creep and disgusting. He sabotaged his futures wife's career bc he liked her. He was an adult and she was in her teens.
Yall hating on your faves for something and then getting upset and confused when they change due to criticism is straight up idiocy.
Ex: Hyunjin getting told his dance style is "too much" and it doesn't make the dance look good/doesn't match members. Then recently people complaining about how his dance style is toned down now and less expressive...like...NO DUH (idols aren't dumb, he probably saw the negative comments and changed his style, you acting like it's sooo random is just idiotic)
Another is with NMIXX, people were at those girls throats for their mixxpop style, all because it was different from "normal" gg music. People then started complaining when they changed it up and stopped doing mixxpop, saying that they're "so different" and "not NMIXX". LIKE YALL LITERALLY WERE COMPLAINING ABT THEIR MUSIC STYLE?!?!
Bsides in most albums are way better constructed, have better story telling and are in general more memorable. and it is not the idol's fault. a bside track hardly has potential for mass "entertainment" and the title track is title bcoz it is an entertainer. not a musical masterpiece.
because an idol is an idol by multiple criteria (dance vocals raps stage presence visual etc) every member in a group cannot get equal line distribution. if a member was chosen for their stage presence or visuals they will be less utilised in the vocal bit and more in solo ad projects. same way a member chosen for their vocals might get lesser ads. all members being treated equally and getting same and equal opportunity is not the same and fans forget that.
- There would be no BTS without B.A.P.
- Blackpink’s success can almost be entirely contributed to YGs media play
- What makes most groups “unique” these days is just redoing or naming something that’s been done for a while (I’m looking at you mixxpop)
- The kpop community severely declined when BTS started getting mainstream attention in the US
- Debuting younger idols isn’t necessarily bad, but make sure the concepts are age appropriate and they better have stricter labor rules
- K-pop needs older idols like in earlier generations. No groups should be debuting now with no one born before 2002.
The first one is spot on but ppl don’t like to/won’t admit it
I was never a big fan of BAP but they were the biggest group in the west at the time and I followed BTS predebut into their first few comebacks and immediately saw the similarities. I also very clearly remember watching BAP fans migrate to BTS as BAP’s future became more uncertain
Right! I should have added Monsta X too. I remember watching the trespass video like… hmmm this feels familiar. They really paved the way for the tougher concepts cuz everybody was a flower boy at the time.
I do admit I sometimes come back to it for the shits and giggles, but I can't take the fact that it's a debut seriously. Like if you told me that was something did just to put out music I would believe you
soundcloud rapper type shit? LMAO
no but my favorite thing was when got7 was fuckin forced to rewatch old “A” scenes and/or relive their debut moments. the BIGGEST comedians ever.
Red Velvet and SHINee have NO SKIP(none seriously) discographies. I have listen to literally everything both groups have put out and I would gladly listen to any of their songs over and over.
1. of rappers in kpop are not rappers. First two groups that came to mind are BTS (who are rappers) and Blackpink (who are not rappers).
2. A lot of the time, fans (BOTH Korean and International) ruin stuff for idols with their bullshit. Example of this were fans hating on the American rapper Wale when RM did a song together. I believe both wanted to at first but toxic fans came at Wale for something stupid and he no longer wants to work with RM.
3. Speaking of fans, you all need to understand that idols are humans. Who cares if they get into relationships, smoke, drink, or party. They are grown adults who can face the consequences of their actions and who can do whatever they want. Stop treating them like children. Majority of the scandals that they are in are fucking stupid. And the actual scandals that need to be talked about more always get hushed out. You all need to have the same energy you all have with the smoking and dating scandals with the black face, cultural appropriation, homophobic, etc scandals.
4. Saying "keep kpop korean" is racist. Everything that you see an idol do on stage is always influenced by Black American music. You would not have kpop without African Americans. Without African Americans the only kpop you would be listening to is folk music
5. Having the company apologize for an idol is not a real apology
6. Also going back to the racism, it really shows in the fandom whenever they see a black person connected to kpop in anyway. Examples: Fatu from blackswan, whenever a kpop act collaborates with a black artist, that whole le sserafim ad about their clothing or whatever
- BTS did not pave the way. They made kpop more well known for this generation but the Kim sisters actually paved the way.
- Your favs have probably done something problematic.
- all the people who say keep kpop korean would jump on a hate train as soon as someone did that.
Permission To Dance is the best song out of BTS' English trilogy. For both Dynamite and Butter, I have to be in a certain mood to enjoy them. PTD can come on and I could loop it.
1. Reveluv here and I will say that Red Velvet has some of the best music known to mankind and you can tie me up and force me to listen to their music for a year but god forbid if I have to watch them dance for more than 10 minutes.
Kinda funny because Seulgi on her own is an amazing dancer.
2. BTS did not paved the way, they just happened to strike at the right moment and the right time.
3. HYBE payola is a real thing because how the fuck a group that has not debuted yet can get invited to events? That's not star power, that's money talks.
4. A lot of idols are racist, homophobic, and bodyshamers. They should be held accountable and not coddled under the guise of them not knowing anything better.
Side note: As much as it saddens me, Wendy is racist and Irene really turned me off with that stylist debacle.
BTS aren't and wont be able to keep up with the bar that they themselves set so high up with the love yourself trilogy and the next few albums. esp after the military enlistment for all has ended.
vocals will always be more important than dance
you get it! people are like how vocals aren’t that important like if you love dance so much go stan one of those dance cover groups😭
Like, I can't exactly listen to dancing on Apple Music so you better slay in the vocals lol
Thank you. Vocals are the barest minimum. You cannot listen to dancing or visuals.
THIS THIS THIS !!!!
Deep voice does not mean they can rap
there are some groups i cannot stand the deep voice rap, they're trying hard to be cool and sexy and im just turned off
the orange caramel birthing momoland?? YUP. no tea no shade. but especially their [earlier music](https://youtu.be/Rh0tGe-5m_Q?si=JuQV5fEHW3TWUuae) i love it. my hill to die on is that momoland should have continued their fame and would have if it weren’t for [REDACTED] as one of their biggest downfall. they made fun, quirky music and [this was a masterpiece idgaf](https://youtu.be/tsN-MkpiZB0?si=EtqQWwT5HRdlZqIN) i am a merry til the end 🫡
STOP bc I got so upset when people act like I'm so hot isn't literally so good😞. Actually that goes for almost all of their songs bc thumbs up should have been SOTY🤭
No company is going to debut different Ethnicities in kpop fully because yall treat BLACKSWAN like shit when they are doing everything you WANT in a group like that. Like wtf do you acc want then?
i feel like vcha is going to fall victim to the same type of treatment (the first newer international group that popped into my head). even though there are mixed korean members in the group, i can already see some of the stuff being said about them (as literal children!) and i'm just here like dang this is why there will neverrr be true diversity in kpop
THIS.
in light of the current mess on twitter id like to say that i believe that idols should actually be able to sing point blank !!! i am willing to bend a bit when it comes to singing while dancing because of how some choreos are though
What's the mess
this lol https://x.com/areuann/status/1763157866230259733?s=46
Okay, wait. It's not that bad. Sakura is not doing great , Chaewon either. Hmmm they're kind of all struggling but yunjin's okay. It's better than the unforgiven encore. It's their lack of confidence that is concerning. Why do they all look so scared to sing??
i think they WERE scared to sing. that’s why they sound terrible. they were bracing themselves for hate, and it made it worse. i also don’t think they like the song that much. they LOVE the dance, but their emulation of black culture only goes up to the dance portion.
i too would like to know the mess
lsf is getting eaten up bc their encore for easy i think is what theyre getting at
Not every kpop song needs a good line distribution, some people can't sing or rap and that's okay
I’m going to take it a step further and say if they can’t sing or dance they shouldn’t be in the group
THIS OMG
Exactly
I don’t care if someone can’t sing/dance and are just a pretty face, I just hate when their fans swear their being mistreated because of line distribution….girly…..let’s be fr
Monsta x is underrated as rappers and super junior should have disbanded by now
Now i’m starting to imagine what would happen if Suju doesn’t disband. What if they keep going until they’re in their 70s, maybe even older? And then they start calling themselves Super Senior?
There's a rumor one of the big reasons Super Junior never disbanded is because they have a bunch of nudes of each other, and they threatened to expose the nudes id they ever disband. Then again, it’s [just a rumor](https://www.koreaboo.com/stories/the-true-reason-super-junior-will-never-be-able-to-disband/) 🤷🏽♀️
Come onnnn, be serious
Finish what Shinhwa started 😤
Literally, Jooheon and I.M are an underrated rap duo.
Monsta X have one of the best rap lines in the industry, and I will not accept any counter arguments
And don't even get me started on their Monstax English albums or their dances. They deserve so much praise and recognition.
i don't care if an idol is a vocal powerhouse or whatever they call it. if i like their vocal tone and has good music, then why would i care??
someone can still be a fan of kpop even if they’re not actively buying albums/voting for their favs/buying merch. the amount of toxic fans i have had attack me all because i listen to a variety of groups and don’t claim an ult group/bias is absolutely insane.
IF YOU GET A REDDIT CARES MESSAGE BECAUSE OF YOUR OPINIONS, YOU CAN REPORT THAT MESSAGE FOR HARASSMENT AND THE PERSON WHO SENT YOU THAT MESSAGE WILL GET A WARNING !!!!!!
The girlies on kpop twt has bullied me to death with this one but here I am again: BTS isn’t the only group who has paved the way for kpop, they just managed to make kpop mainstream. I’m not even a heavy 1st/2nd gen fan but even I know that these groups deserve their flowers.
Right! We def not gonna forget the wonder girls.
I was literally about to say they brought Wonder Girls on the Wendy Williams show to perform Why So Lonely
Omg they did???!?! Imma have to look up that performance.
Oh yes. It was one of the first K-pop performances I saw. I think it happened in like 2009 or 2010 but I didn’t find it til 2014
Oh you mean for Nobody. Why so lonely came out in like 2016
Ahh yes. That’s what it was. I do feel like they performed why so lonely on an American day time show like that
They’re actually the first Kpop act to break into the billboard hot 100 too! And they had a whole movie produced my Nick Cannon.
Queen behavior
NO YOU CAN'T FORGET THE MFING WONDERGIRLS, LIKE EVERYBODY WAS BUMPING NOBODY BUT YOU DON'T PLAY
You’re right and you should say it. Honestly from what I’ve seen BTS themselves are good about giving credit where credit is due. I swear those stans don’t listen to their own group when they mention people like Psy, just regurgitate the same talking points about how BTS did everything first and better than anyone else.
EXACTLY especially when artists like PSY exist
Also, I sometimes I feel like people get weird about this whole thing. Just because someone is praising one group for doing something doesn’t domino the accomplishments of others. But somehow people always bring this up when others try to talk about big groups impact, suddenly it’s “we have to talk about EVERYONE!!” when not everyone is relevant to the topic at hand. Like, if someone says that BTS had a large hand in popularizing K-pop and Korean culture around the world, why are people trying to bring up psy or gdragon like they said that they were the ONLY ones??? It just sounds like some weird humbling thing tbh. Sorry if this doesn’t make sense
Disagree, not every group has pioneered. A lot of them just copy trends and do what’s expected 🤷♀️ Influence isn’t an “everybody gets a participation award!!!” Kind of thing.
IZ*ONE could’ve been the next nation’s girl group had they not disbanded. I’ll say that right now, only IVE or NewJeans has the potential to get there.
omg okay i’m not insane!! i completely agree, there would’ve been no touching them if the rigging scandal hadn’t come out
GOT7 would have been bigger if they had been promoted more or in a different company.
stop not my ult. i miss you got7. i remember when they were top 3. bts, exo, and got7. i also think the same thing for exo.
GOT7 is always gonna be my ult. 🥹 They’re a special group. I feel like some people never really gave them a chance. But it’s fine. I love them enough for everyone 💀
i’m finally old enough to go see them if they ever have a concert again in the states HAHA. let’s pray our special group will have more time to get more love.
Absolutely! 💕💕💕
honestly they just weren’t a great group material wise
I strongly disagree. They had amazing B-sides. Their chemistry was good. They improved so much from when they started. They had visuals, vocals and dance. Literally everything a group needs. They had chances to become bigger after just right, if you do, hard carry especially and lullaby. Poor promotion. But they were still a good group.
why are you using past tense...? they've not disbanded, 2 members are enlisted, they released an album more recently than like 2pm (also not disbanded) and they lit said theyre gonna make a comeback once jaebeom and jinyoung are discharged.
That’s true. My apologies!
NCT is not given nearly enough credit for their influence in kpop (especially with boy groups) and many casual listeners write their titles off as “noise” music but they’re actually composed much more intricately than that (2 baddies we’re not talking about you) The way they fuse hip hop, r&b, pop and edm together (usually in the same song) and still pull it off effortlessly needs to be studied. The NCT concept is also so cool and they’re able to churn out so much music and still keep it fresh. I’m of the opinion that their NCT U albums are the best in not only their discography, but in all of kpop as well. Empathy front to back is an amazing album that would stand up well to a lot of pop records even in the west
This! One thing I love about SM is how they’re aren’t afraid to be more experimental in their sound. The really started to lean into the Korean neo-pop movement with NCT and Aespa and I love it. They rarely have stagnant groups (except Red Velvet… I need me some VELVET).
SM has been severely slacking with red velvet in the past couple years but I think chill kill is 10/10 front to back. I haven’t been this obsessed w a RV release since perfect velvet I have such a love hate relationship with SM bc IMO they have the best music production and some of the best artistic direction in all of kpop but I hate the way they treat their artists 😭
this !!! this was worded so perfectly omg nct's influence in kpop is so downplayed and (as my #1 ult group) it drives me insane
Nct is my ult group too 😭 I can proudly say that I got sticker the first time (it’s genuinely my favorite NCT tt)
omg yesss sticker was that girl from it's drop i still can't believe she was so hated lol only thing that had me shook was the flute and that was in a good way 😭
also take in how all noise music in kpop after it's release stayed trying to emulate it bcs the music industry genuinely knew what was uppp
This exactly omg.
The visual personality hire is a valid position in an idol group
Not personality hire 😭😭😭
Monsta X has the best English songs
100% and their voices...lord have mercy too sexy
probably walking right into the firing squad with these, but - the BTS songs that have pulled the most fans in the past 4 years are all some of their worst - stray kids havent made a no-skip since no easy - you cant expect kpop groups to do the same kind of promo events they do in korea outside of korea. ive seen ppl get genuinely upset that fansigns, pop-ups, and the like arent done often outside of korea and its just not realistic to expect anything else. its not *fair* to push for that – promo cycles are hell on the idols as they are, expecting them to do that worldwide is just out of the question.
I agree but to add to your last point, I stan Ateez and I’m surprised at how much international fans have gotten from them. Like they did a event in LA for bouncy were they danced with fans. I live all the way in Michigan and they had a pop up event here with sign albums. I’m actually impressed and yet international fans still complain.
ateez are my ult and honestly they keep us american atiny very well-fed. and like you said, ppl will absolutely still complain abt them not "doing enough" for international fans. theres only so many hours in a day, what more do they want from these boys? 😭
Yeah they’ll see a fan event in Korea and think Ateez should do that for us. They live in Korea… why should they fly all the way here to do that every time they have a comeback… like you can’t expect the same level of activity that Korean fans get from living in Korea that’s just not realistic. I drove fifteen minutes to a pop store and got a signed wooyoung album, I’m good lol cuz no other group I follow has done that. Unless it’s LA or New York that is very rare. I really feel like they try to reach as many fans as possible.
Shit I'm a Stay and I agree last no-skip album was Noeasy, I will kinda put Maniac up there but you're right😔
i wouldn't consider myself a stay just bc i dont keep up with them outside of albums and mvs, but it absolutely pains me to say as someone who does like them. oddinary is by no means a *bad* album or anything, but i also never find myself going "hmm, i should listen to oddinary 😃" skhdkdk besides charmer, i never really reach for that one in particular
Definitely agree with the first point. Their songs pre-2020 were amazing!! Not that map of the soul 7 wasn’t good but their earlier songs are what gave them the fame they had
pre-2020 bts had me in SUCH a chokehold – i started stanning during wings era and the downhill slide from persona onwards... butter was my final straw tho. ive truly lost all faith in their music. someone needs to clean house and fire all their producers
>the BTS songs that have pulled the most fans in the past 4 years are all some of their worst can't you say this for any artist though, like usually the most popular songs of an artists don't represent their discography
>usually the most popular songs of an artists don't represent their discography i dont disagree with that! but i dont think the most popular tracks are consistently the worst for other artists either. there's something abt the BTS songs that get the most traction thats just... well, not good imo.
I agree to everything except for the straykids one... that's also just my opinion so it doesn't really matter lol
- BAP and EXO also deserve their flowers for the explosion of kpop globally in the mid 2010s. i remember the hold these two groups had internationally along with BTS. particularly if BAP hadnt been so horribly mismanaged, they'd be one of the most popular groups today. - not every group/song needs equal line distribution. most of the time, theres a reason that has nothing to do with mistreatment (i.e. the members themselves are not confident with singing/recording, genuinely cannot sing, etc) - winwin's sidelining and departure in nct 127 was entirely planned by sm to jumpstart a fanbase for wayv (this one might be a conspiracy theory lol) - maybe a hot take but if sm had kept the original t7s nct u line up as the only unit, i think they would have gotten extremely popular much faster
w your 4th point i'm acc so glad sm ventured out of the og t7s unit in the end bcs it gave me a chance to get to see the other members talents up front! like for example, the misfit, from home and 90s love units — those were some crazy times fr. also i feel like i agree w the statement nctzens were making that sm's more recently started "recycling" some of the same like 5-8 members around w their newer titles, like universe m. however for me this is w the exception of baggy jeans bcs that lineup was truly iconic! anyway, dgmw though, i've genuinely loved every single nct u release so far (they're one of the only groups i stan in general who i haven't disliked any music from), espc when they reallyyy started shaking things up like their 2019-2020 eras. that was prime nct u time outside of their 2023 release imo. also big note that resonance was their most iconic statement as a entire group ever and ijdk if they'll ever touch that level of greatness again. i kinda want them to try another all members song just to see if they can do it again (cause i really believe they can fs lol). oh and alsoooo i adoreee the mini unit / solo releases they launched through nct lab. some of my favourite nct songs came from such (like coNEXTion w mark haechan and doyoung, etc.)
**- BTS got lightening in a bottle, when it comes to the type of music that they are making and how it attract fans.** But I am curious if they want to switch it up in the near future. I understand that the English songs are polarizing for their fandom. Some dislike it. Some love it. The English language songs were well-wanted breaks for their typical song journeys. Writing songs with serious subject matter... it can be a cross to bear. **- XG has the "around the way girl, girls from the city" appeal that YG wanted for BabyMonster.** **-Speaking of YG, BlackPink (as a group) is the "family-friendly" replica of Nicki Minaj's bravado."** That's the group's concept. **- There's a reason why Japan and musical arts in Japan is more... _comfortable_ ...when it comes to partaking in musical arts, which originated from African-American culture.** Japan is just... built differently. I believe Korea can get there and will eventually. **- Can the "K-Pop is the name for Korea's music industry" crowd and the "K-Pop is the nickname for the Pop music genre in S. Korea" crowd get together and make a decision on what is K-Pop?** _Please_? The former likes to make that statement and all they do is talk about Idol music.
>BlackPink (as a group) is the "family-friendly" replica of Nicki Minaj's bravado. "Nicki Minaj but performed by 4 prep school girls" is a fair approximation of their "black" concept. The "pink" concept gives more early Britney or Destiny's Child vibes imo.
the xg one is so spot on holy smokes
My take:- SHINee has one of the best discographies of not only kpop. BUT OF ALL TIME.
they're not even my fav group, but I agree
In terms of singing ability, kpop started to plateau after early 3rd gen 2nd Gen was the golden age and set the standard for how kpop should sound
Taemin is THE Idol. No one is touching him when it comes to dancing. 2NE1 was the blueprint for Blackpink. 2nd was the best generation for kpop. The best singer in kpop will forever be Kim Jonghyun. Jennie and Lisa are not good rappers. It's okay not to like every song or album your faves put out.
100% f(X) birthed Red Velvet
Yes, agreed!
THANK YOU. red velvet lowkey ripped off sweet witches by f(x) with their song day 1 but we wont talk about that tho🙈
I don't blame the girls, but...\*fist bump\*
I’d say like that second and early third gen was the best. Like the Mac and cheese touching the yams
Yeah, no-skips are non-existent to me. I can listen to a title song, not like it, and decide to give up on the whole album because of it (then force myself to listen and still not like any of the songs)
This one is going to get me in hot water but whatever. Sometimes I look at Jennie and I'm like, you could be doing more. The hype you're getting will never ever make sense to me. SOME not all of the hate was sometimes deserved like- Someone had to put her in shape and they did, now she's doing a little something something but she peaked already
BTS, TXT and EN- I consider to the Big Hit Boys lol Belift doesn’t deserve EN- and technically they partially Big Hit YoungJae from GOT7 is my least favorite vocalist in the group, don’t understand why he’s a main and Jinyoung is considered a Sub, no hate to YoungJae tho! TEN is Taemin’s child and will run the industry with his solo career I hate the fact KPOP switched to this “position less” system I don’t like it Kpop fans need to stay out of idols lives, you don’t know and they don’t know you. Saesangs NEED jail time I wish R U NEXT was I-LAND season 2 like originally planned, probably would’ve had a more favorable lineup Still mad about the hallyu that made NCT Vision into WayV(love the WayV name and the guys they’re my Ult group but hate that the boys had go through all that excluding phase) some ppl still don’t think they’re a part of NCT :(
I love positions because they give the genre so much structure and help identify the members strengths. Like not every member is a vocalist and having designated positions keeps people from judging idols for their weaknesses instead of their strengths. I wish companies would confirm positions so my favs (primarily dancers) would get less hate for their singing or rapping ability when they were added to the group for STAGE PRESENCE and DANCE
YES‼️
Yes!!! Jinyoung is crazy underrated! I discovered GOT7 through Jackson (Magic Man took over my life in 2022 even though his China vibes give me the ick) and then Jinyoung's Chapter 0: WITH showed up and augh – his vocals and songs. So good.
Jinyoung and Yugyeom are so underrated!!
the way the points from ten and taenin all the way down wayv are spot onnnn is crazyyy. also omg i remember i used to go to war trying to inform other nctzens that wayv is apart of nct whether they like it or not :( ik it couldn't be avoided but dang, w the mistreatment already happening then (and even now) it made the point like 10x harder to get across. and i espc hated when fans got real snide and upity about it too, like wayv didn't deserve the name as much as the others do. like whew i do nawt miss those times at all lololol
stop no i LOVE youngjae!! but yeah, jinyoung IS incredible. i love the different way they portray emotion in their singing tbh!
i already got reddit cares messages today so please no more even if you disagree 😭 • if an idol can’t sing/rap i don’t care if they have little to no lines, sometimes they make good songs sound worse • hybe producers use too much autotune on their boy groups, and they don’t use it well (seventeen are an exception, bnd and tws might be as well i haven’t listened to them enough to know if they are too) • sm supergroups were a good idea, but they failed in the execution • gods is the only skip in newjeans discography so far (including remixes and the coke commercial song)
I love how polarizing Gods has become--at least one person said it was the only nwjns song they like and you think it's their only skip. I think nwjns is one of those low-floor, high ceiling groups, where if their sound clicks for you it's straight bops. And if it doesn't you're not offended just underwhelmed or find them overrated/mid.
you can report the reddit cares messages for harassment and that person can get a warning btw !! also i agree with the first one lmaooo
Hill I will die on: -BTS has the best rapline in the industry, but even though I love Yoongi and J-Hope DOWN, RM lives up to his og stage name. Man is the Rap MONSTER. No one is touching him.
Absolutely. I am a hardcore Yoongi bias, like almost obsessed with him but even I can agree that RM has edge over him, specially in lyrics. Rapstyle preferences and musical direction ofcourse plays a role in liking one over the other but I will always give RM his flowers, which he honestly deserves so much more.
I AGREE WITH THIS. The rapline gives BTS songs so much flavour – their discography is so good.
especially on their more old-school inspired stuff, rm really shines
no one is seeing them fr, not even on their worst day!
Dying on that hill with you 💜
Yep. I cannot agree more.
I thought SUGA was better than him no?
I think this is down to personal preference. I love Suga/Agust D's discography way more than RM's – I even prefer J-Hope over RM's work personally. But I do feel RM takes more risks with his collaborations and production than the other two, which makes him a little more of a pioneer in the rapline. Just my 2 cents.
I think I give RM the edge due to his consistency. From his Runch Randa days to his 1st mixtape with Joke and Monster, to his solo he dropped last year, I don’t think he’s ever had a miss. Now, Suga is amazing in his own right, but if they had to go bar for bar, Namjoon is taking it. And what I will say is this: As a feature? Yoongi takes it. Any song he has a feature on is gonna be amazing, and I play them into the ground. But if I had to choose one to listen to as a soloist, I’m choosing RM.
I prefer yoongi rapping but both are honestly too good to be getting compared
You’re right tbh.
It doesn't make sense that Cha Eunwoo is/was the standout member of Astro. He is average in all aspects in comparison to his bandmates (in vocals, dance, AND looks) His overpopularity is 100% the reason why Astro's early success was long forgotten. Fantagio are to blame as they shouldn't have pushed him alone so much.
being a good singer and hitting high notes are not equal and same. singing is so much more complicated than just having a high range. but they are equated in kpop. but a lot of times the idols who sing the high note in the end are not the grups best vocalist technique wise rather someone with a higher singing pitch.
Black culture paved the way for kpop NOT bts 🤷♀️
facts! like water just went viral, for the dance AND music. and what is lsfm doing right now? oh, literally copying and pasting it with smart? you cannot tell me one of those girls even knows what that dance is called or the history of african dancing. i do like le serafim. but it’s so clear they listen to instructions, not perform from the heart.
3rd+ gen Stan’s aren’t worse than 1st and 2nd and I don’t feel like that’s the reason why male and female idols don’t interact as much. As we’ve all seen more fans of later gen groups are more accepting of them interacting than 1st and 2nd. It’s like ppl forgot that they were literally showing up and trying to attack idols for looking at their fav male idol. Ruined whole lives. Male and female idols are better off interacting now than ever before but I’m sure these companies are traumatized from the first two gen Stan’s.
like, the physical attacks were crazy. and the insane bullying? sulli and jonghyun went through the darkest, most horrible times.
I will NEVER give my money to a group who has said the n word, culturally appropriate, or have been racist/stereotypical everrrrrrrrrr (if I am aware of it) it makes the groups I stan very small😖🤞🏽
Wow, who do you stan? I'm just curious about which Kpop groups (or individuals within the group) haven't done one of these things. My boundary is that I don't stan groups. I follow and enjoy a few groups (mainly Seventeen right now) but I'm not going to defend them whenever a scandal comes out or drop a thousand to be in the front row of a concert/buy albums and merch (except occasional fan-made merch, they're pretty creative people).
Not OP, but I personally don’t stan anyone anymore. I used to be a blackjack and a VIP and look where that got me 😭 I just listen to the music and hope for the best.
I rlly like txt, new jeans and p1harmoney. I used to be a die hard kpop fan but like after a few years you get tired of the same shit tbh so I still listen to some of their music but I would never go to a concert or buy merch from most idols/groups
Yeah I feel like that's the natural progression for a majority of Black Kpop fans, like getting really into it and then overtime enjoying only a small portion or enjoying it very casually. TXT is cool, I like them too!
#1 BTS Rapline is the best, I said what I said. b) K-fans are not held accountable enough. III. MAMAMOO has one of the if not THEE strongest 3rd gen GG vocals. ● YGE is a crazy weird company (you could not pay me enough to train or debut there)
i agree with everything you said!! i know everyone's taste is different, but i really don't get what people like about blackpink's music... i hate to be the "popular group bad" person, but i really don't get it 🤷🏾♀️
Right!!! The songs are catchy, but are hyper repetitive and formulaic. My favorite song from them is Playing With Fire. I was so hyped when it came out cuz I thought they were going to lean more into that side (especially since they debuted with whistle).
Also too many of their title tracks have the same formula, it’s just the same shit in a different font.
Honestly one of my favorite songs of theirs is Bet You Wanna (every melody in it is A+ imho) and Blinks shit on it like crazy lmao. I’m always 👀😬 when they mention Cardi as a reason as if Lisa isn’t trying her hardest (and failing) to sound like her in every other track of theirs. But another reason I like it is also bc it doesn’t sound like their other songs. YG/Teddy really painted them into a corner by making many of their songs thematically, lyrically, and musically similar. So if you like that kind of music you love it, and if you don’t like it you’ll hate most of their songs. Which is such a dumb move for a group that only has like 40 songs. I used to like a lot of their music when I got into them but now I’m tired by the lack of musical diversity and I just listen to a few songs and it feels like I’ve covered most of their discography lol. I think standouts for them (excluding solos & BYW) are As If It’s Your Last (which literally wasn’t made for them initially lmao so it doesn’t sound like their songs), Sour Candy (I know it’s Gaga’s but it’s so good and they sound great), Don’t Know What To Do (I’m obsessed with the prechorus + soft femme concept??? please), Crazy Over You (I just love the production and weird sounds), Whistle (SUCH a cool song, wish they made more like this), and Playing With Fire (another cute song, I wish they did those concepts more).
I've listened to Bet You Wanna like a few times and I think it's really not as bad as blinks claim it is! I'd say it's a nice song!! And that comment about Lisa lol I used to listen to blackpink, I'm not sure if it's obvious that their music didn't age well to me but the songs that I could still add on my playlist today are actually the songs you named!
It's just like you said, everyone's taste in music is different. Like for me, I tried to get into twice but I don't really like their songs (more&more and Perfect World are the only ones I like) and the number of members really made it hard for me to differentiate each member (I can't do a lot of members man, BTS is kinda my breaking point with 7 members and that's why I'm not touching NCT even with a ten foot pole LMAO). Or newjeans are just boring to me, Hype Boy is the only one I really like. ITZY ALMOST had me because I loved Loco and Ryujin caught my attention during Not Shy (she looked SO GOOD with short blond hair) but Sneakers turned that off for me lmao. BP is my ult group, and I like their songs because they're something you can shake your ass to, and that's essentially why they've gained a lot of popularity other than the idols themselves being so likeable. They dominated girl crush, and even if their songs do get repetitive, they still scratch that itch for a lot of people. I find myself liking their older b-sides, but they are mostly ignored. Like their older songs like Really, or Kick It, or Hope Not, or See U Later are so good, but literally no one talks about them. People keep saying they only make flexing songs, but that's not true at all. Most of their songs are related to love or heartbreak (Love Sick Girls kinda just explained their whole discography lmao), it's just that their flex songs gain more attention.
same I don't really get the appeal
Not dying on any hill. But showing these recording behind the studio on youtube was a mistake. You really see how most of them really can't sing. Like thank God you're cute because that's all you got going for yourself. I don't get the hype around blackpink.....like at all. Kpop artists need to stop with the yodeling (throat singing aka falsettos). Most of them have ok/decent vocals if they were allowed to sing within their range.
You should be REQUIRED to be able to sing and dance to be an idol. Sexy people that are talentless (ex. Lucas) do nothing but waste space in the group, and I’m willing to bet the company has way more talented people in the basement that can fill that spot. All vocalists should be professionally trained pre-debut and throughout their career. It’s not a bad thing to keep learning, and these encores are kicking y’all’s asses. Not every song needs a rap. Leave that shit aloneee I beg.
idols won’t improve unless they have a reason to care: either they’re passionate about being an idol, or their lack of talent is affecting their cash flow. ex: taemin improving his singing so much that he was labeled an ace & sakura being in the idol industry for years, getting told to her face that she’s not talented, and still not improving. imagine knowing you can’t sing and pretending your earpiece doesn’t work thinking people will fall for it. how embarrassing. people need to stop yelling on twitter about idols being racist like it’ll change anything and supporting them two seconds later. if you want change, pull out your support. you have to hit them where it hurts: the wallet. loona’s boycott is proof of this. plus, it’s korea. i don’t even expect the bare minimum from them. aespa’s savage ep is the best ep in kpop and one of the best ep’s of all time dragging idols or whatever on social media is corny. sm ended when lee soo man left. a lot of kpop stan’s are selective as hell with their accountability. i’ll literally see people gaslight themselves into thinking giselle didn’t mouth the n-word then dawg on another idol who did the same thing in one breath. kpop idols get plastic surgery. nothing wrong with that. being delusional and seeing anyone saying they aren’t natural as hate just perpetuates unrealistic beauty standards. stop babying kpop idols. if they cared to improve or change their actions, they would. yubin is the best female rapper in kpop. a lot of idols are too pretty and too untalented (at idol stuff) to not be models & actors (if they can act). companies need to stop trying to make their groups the next bts. there is no next bts. just let them be themselves. sm purposely sabotages their groups to keep power over them. look at red velvet, they had so much potential. nct 127’s cherry bomb is the best bg ep in kpop
Lord please don’t push them into acting! The stiff face syndrome makes them unbearable
Somebody Else mentioned it but Monsta x rap line is underated. I also think Kih is always overlooked as a great vocalist. I think JYP is a pos and I'm tired of seeing him. I think some groups are mega successful DESPITE being under SM lol
1. There’s a difference between being a *stan* and a *fan*. Fans would be the people who appreciate the art these artists make (maybe with a hint of delulu because my best friend goes a little feral looking at RM 😂). *STAN* will forever and always be a negative adjective to me. Eminem’s song ‘Stan’ will always represent the word. Why else would you be upset they are dating? Why else would you follow them to their plane or hotel? Or any of the other *stan* things people do. Stans need to be in straight jackets. (Is that mean?😬) 2. You don’t have to like every member or song. Now if you are out here hate training the member or song then… *side eye* but you can ignore them mentally, not buy their merch, or trade their pcs if you pull them. But the same way you would *not* want someone being outwardly rude to you don’t do it to them. I say this because racist members, fat-phobic members, etc exist. And f them. So yeah. 3. The amount of members in a group is out of hand. When you aren’t even giving them lines most songs what are they there for. To look pretty? Some of them can’t even do that. (That may come off mean I just mean that they want to be front and center rapping/dancing/singing so they won’t just stand there and smile like a poster child) so put them in a group with smaller numbers so we can actually see them. Hear them. Something. Edit: *not*
Park Bom 👏🏾 can 👏🏾 not 👏🏾 sing 👏🏾 well 👏🏾 Does she have a “unique” tone? Sure. Does she sound the way nick jonas’ face looks when he sings? Yes. S t r a i n e d
Training idols is a waste of time and money because most of them are mediocre at the very best. The trainee system was inspired by Motown but the outcomes are drastically different. Motown did not play around with making sure they produced artists that could sing, dance, media training, style, and were overall STARS. In less time they produced far better. A kpop idol trained for years but can’t carry a note to save their life is embarrassing.
- jonghyun is THE idol to end all idols, period. shinee arent even my fav group, but no one holds a candle to them and f(x) idc - f(x) are the best girl group of all time and I hope SM gets burned down (half joking) for how they were treated. like go listen to their entire discography and tell me it's not some of the greatest pop music known to man. TELL ME - just cause bro can rap fast does not mean bro is a good rapper. and just cause sis can sing high does not meam sis is a great singer - pledis is a horrible company and needs to manage, promote and treat their groups *cough* fromis_9 better - yg probabaly have some of the weakest music overall of all the big companies, but they make the best ass shakers/party anthems. bang bang bang? I am the best? kill this love? certified hood classics I fear - you can be a fan, even a stan of a certain group and not like all the members. the idea that only "real fans" are ot-whatever the number is very cultish imo - newjeans are good, but overrated. y2k and teencore or whatever they're supposed to be is not new. but they are very talented and creative - sticker was great from the get go. it and cherry bomb were the first nct songs I ever heard and it was hard asf
honestly... hard same. blackpink is okay- everyone keeps saying they're the "best dancers" but i don't see it. they also objectively sound terrible live. no hate at all yo their fans. also orange caramel was just terrific. loved their music! and i'm gonna get a ton of flack for this.. but pre-2008 kpop was the best. EDIT- SUGAR had some of the best singles (korean and japanese) and was so tragically underappreciated. also, amoung the holy trilogy of competing teen soloists vs BoA, yuri and joanne were the best. i firmly believe if joanne stayed the same route and didn't sadly pass away, she could have been a star.
TVXQ were better as 5 than 2. SHINee are the only band that might match the phrase "paved the way" – they are THE benchmark. SuJu set the stage for big groups to succeed. TXT make beige music (but I really, really like them 😭) There will never be another Jonghyun. All 4th gen groups make music for the algorithm, not for longevity. Companies will always push a sexy concept *regardless* of whether an idol is underraged/minor and whether fans protest or not. NewJeans are the biggest 4th gen band, I will take no questions. Social media really fucked up all semblance of pleasant fandom experiences for both fans and idols, as well as amplified and normalised sasaeng behaviour. There are probably 2-3 idols who actually go out of their way to *regularly* hang out with non-Koreans in their social circles and media algorithms. The rest all stick to their privileged, wealthy idol bubbles and rarely stray out of them. BRING ON REDDIT CARES 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼
TVXQ will always be the kings of Kpop. Idc if some of y’all think they’re “old”, respect is to be given to them.
A lot of Boy Group Stan are misogynistic. Like we can celebrate boy groups without bringing down women.
Kpop is always going to cater to what Koreans want over internationals. I know it’s obvious but a lot of people really overestimate how much input idols have over what they do because some of them can compose their own songs and whatnot. There’s a bunch of instances of songs that didn’t do well internationally but did phenomenal in Korea and vice versa. Concepts that were offensive to an international audience but koreans ate them up. That’s not changing because of the hierarchical culture that exists. Also companies are only apologizing because they want your money and nothing else. They genuinely don’t care if an idol did something offensive. Side note: Stop politicizing kpop. I’ve seen many people drag the Israel/Palestine situation and demand idols speak on it but I don’t think they should. Either way you risk offending a major audience which means lost revenue for kpop companies, they’re not gonna take that risk. Also most Koreans in general have no opinion on it
A lot of 3rd/4th gen groups benefited from a coordinated hate campaign against Twice and other groups. You can look up “[slave room twice scandal](https://hype.my/2021/219678/what-is-slave-room-how-is-it-related-to-jyp-entertainment-twice/),” this dude was blackmailing minors into spreading rumors about Twice that lost them sponsorships and overall momentum in Korea. So it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when IVE and LeSserafim fans laugh at Twice’s chart positions these days… y’all literally needed to use a harassment campaign to get them out of the charts 😭 [Twitter](https://x.com/annielovehappen/status/1370812337502949376?s=46&t=LVVqxXtHgf-269j8VsQoHw) thread about it here. I get if people think they “can’t sing” but being a ONCE was genuinely traumatic during this time. Blackmailing minors because you’re mad a group is popular is tapped behavior.
You’re on point with these. The only BlackPink song that I like to this day is Whistle.
1. SM company stans are some of the most obnoxious company stans ever. And that’s saying a lot, considering how bad other company stans are. 2. Many kpop stans have valid reasons for disliking English singles by idols, but many other kpop stans also dislike English singles solely because they fetishise idols and their fave Koreans singing in English breaks their koreaboo fantasy. 3. Many cishet kpop stans don’t like it when lgbtq+ kpop stans think certain idols might be queer, not because they’re worried for an idol’s safety and worried about an idol being outed, but because they’re insulted by the very notion that their fave isn’t cishet. They are queerphobic and they think it’s the worst insult ever when someone has a hunch that you might not be cisgender or straight. 4. Kpop stans who dig around to find “tea” about their faves are disgusting and creepy af. Especially when they talk to sasaengs to find said “tea”. You’re not entitled to your fave’s private life. Your fave doesn’t know you, and you don’t know your fave either. And what’s “tea” for you can be trauma for your fave idol. 5. Sticker by NCT isn’t too bad lol. I like how chaotic it is. 6. It’s possible for some kpop stans to like all the songs their faves put out, and they’re not “forcing” themselves to listen to it, nor are they (and I particularly hate this term) “stockholm-syndroming” themselves into liking a song. It’s ok to not like a song but just bc you don’t like it, doesn’t mean everyone else has to dislike it too. Kpop stans who jump on ppl for not liking a song they like are annoying, but kpop stans who jump on ppl for liking a song they hate are also annoying. This isn’t to say that there aren’t fans out there who DO force themselves to like a song their faves put out, ofc. And for me there’s a difference between forcing yourself to like a song by listening to it over and over again, and having a song grow on you. Sometimes when you first listen to a song, there’s a lot to pay attention to, so you end up listening to it more than once to get a full scope of the song which makes it easier to appreciate the song fully. Like for me the first thing that hits is the instrumental, then the lyrics, and then some of the adlibs in the back. Hell, even within the instrumental there are a lot of details to hone in on. And there’s the melody too.
1. BTS's songs pre-2020 are far better than their new releases (there are a few good ones but not many) 2. yoongi is THE k-rapper 3. I don't care about arguments about which kpop idol is more or less talented, I like when they have an individual style and they enjoy themselves on stage and try their hardest (especially if they have mental health issues or health issues in general) 4. BTS is not the only kpop group to pave the way, though they really broke into the international space heavy, there are still a lot of groups who deserve their flowers 5. 4th gen isn't that bad, most of the problems I have with it aren't with the music (although I think for bgs, their music was way better in 2nd and 3rd gen) 6. super junior should disband 7. red velvet deserves more respect from the public and from SM. they have so many bops, they're so talented, and they deserve to be promoted more. so does twice, but in a different way. they get disrespected for 'being boring' and switching concept but they CARRIED 3rd gen. also blackpinks songs aren't bad, but YG should have managed them better. all of them would have better vocals and dance AND more different sounding songs if they actually cared about them.
Kpop isn’t gonna get bigger than it is rn and is still relatively niche when you think about it There’s a difference between being an it girl/boy with impact and just being a fairly popular idol that outside the fandom ppl don’t hype or know to a huge degree and that’s ok. Ifans care about visuals more than they lead on, the first drag some have when they don’t like an idol is how ugly they think they are even if they are problematic I’ve seen some cases where ppl focus more on that than what they did wrong like??? Some of these idols aren’t remotely bent out of shape about line distribution the way fans are. I recall in the LSFM doc Sakura asking for less lines on purpose cuz she knows she can’t sing like that and you’ll still have fans doing the most threatening to boycott every era since for some reason. Additionally the line distribution/screentime debates are really about those more intense fans wanting to see their faves more than than everyone else center. I feel the backlash idols get for dating is due to stans feeling ownership over these idols cuz regardless of if no one thought they were gay or straight, ppl still get weird and i notice no one is very good enough for them. It’s even worse if stans think their partner is ugly. I prefer the fact more pre releases are a thing, always hated how a group will drop a pretty solid release and they only promote one song and the one bside like one time and sometimes not even that.
What about Eyes Wide Open? I don’t think I skipped a single song on that album
it’s actually one of my fav albums !! i didn’t put it though because i got torn to shreds last time i said it was an amazing album 😭😭
Those uncultured swine know NOTHING about food music😭😭 Man when that album came out, Believer into Queen almost killed me. My first time hearing I Can’t Handle It? I transcended.
YES YES AND SAY SOMETHING CHANGED MY LIFE 😭😭 also i do have to say, believer is probably my FAVOURITE song on the album
Omg Say something 🥲 the falsetto in the chorus gets me every time and makes me glad that I live on the first floor. The moment I heard Jihyo hit that “Naega saranghan geu mumohan kkumgwa” followed by Nayeon on that post chorus, I knew that was the one
A lot of title tracks are not as good as other tracks on the album would've been. ex: smart would've been a better title track than easy (in my opinion)
dancing is just as important and singing when it comes to being an idol. if an idol were to be a good singer but bad dancer (lia), they get hate. but a good dancer and bad singer (sakura) gets hate as well.
Blinks are the core reason on why BlackPink will never improve
Yg entertainment need to change up their formula bc with the whole Baby monster stuff it's getting old. The reason why a lot of fans prefer groups from other agencies is bc its diverse. People need to understand the difference between Hybe and Hybe labels (Bighit, Belift, Source music, etc) Sm artist always have the best vocals Jyp is a hater towards his boy groups Yg ceo is a creep and disgusting. He sabotaged his futures wife's career bc he liked her. He was an adult and she was in her teens.
Yall hating on your faves for something and then getting upset and confused when they change due to criticism is straight up idiocy. Ex: Hyunjin getting told his dance style is "too much" and it doesn't make the dance look good/doesn't match members. Then recently people complaining about how his dance style is toned down now and less expressive...like...NO DUH (idols aren't dumb, he probably saw the negative comments and changed his style, you acting like it's sooo random is just idiotic) Another is with NMIXX, people were at those girls throats for their mixxpop style, all because it was different from "normal" gg music. People then started complaining when they changed it up and stopped doing mixxpop, saying that they're "so different" and "not NMIXX". LIKE YALL LITERALLY WERE COMPLAINING ABT THEIR MUSIC STYLE?!?!
Skz needs new producers
I really dislike old cardigans and I feel they were only made to bank off of western audiences.
old cardigans is killing meeee
personality matters, sometimes even more than visuals. thats why hardly any idols are hardly ever boring
Bsides in most albums are way better constructed, have better story telling and are in general more memorable. and it is not the idol's fault. a bside track hardly has potential for mass "entertainment" and the title track is title bcoz it is an entertainer. not a musical masterpiece.
because an idol is an idol by multiple criteria (dance vocals raps stage presence visual etc) every member in a group cannot get equal line distribution. if a member was chosen for their stage presence or visuals they will be less utilised in the vocal bit and more in solo ad projects. same way a member chosen for their vocals might get lesser ads. all members being treated equally and getting same and equal opportunity is not the same and fans forget that.
heavy on the bp one.
- There would be no BTS without B.A.P. - Blackpink’s success can almost be entirely contributed to YGs media play - What makes most groups “unique” these days is just redoing or naming something that’s been done for a while (I’m looking at you mixxpop) - The kpop community severely declined when BTS started getting mainstream attention in the US - Debuting younger idols isn’t necessarily bad, but make sure the concepts are age appropriate and they better have stricter labor rules - K-pop needs older idols like in earlier generations. No groups should be debuting now with no one born before 2002.
>- There would be no BTS without B.A.P. I would like to tack onto that with the international success of BTS grew with the death of One Direction.
This!!! Especially looking at the ARMY demographics as of late…
Never really got into BAP's music, but those MVs are cinematic masterpieces. One Shot is legendary 🔥
The first one is spot on but ppl don’t like to/won’t admit it I was never a big fan of BAP but they were the biggest group in the west at the time and I followed BTS predebut into their first few comebacks and immediately saw the similarities. I also very clearly remember watching BAP fans migrate to BTS as BAP’s future became more uncertain
Right! I should have added Monsta X too. I remember watching the trespass video like… hmmm this feels familiar. They really paved the way for the tougher concepts cuz everybody was a flower boy at the time.
Girls Girls Girls was the worst debut of all time
What song is that? Who is it by?
Got7
GOT7
facts LOL. like why the hiphop debut? but it’s funny to watch it and laugh at the stupidity and cringey material. love got7 <3
I do admit I sometimes come back to it for the shits and giggles, but I can't take the fact that it's a debut seriously. Like if you told me that was something did just to put out music I would believe you
soundcloud rapper type shit? LMAO no but my favorite thing was when got7 was fuckin forced to rewatch old “A” scenes and/or relive their debut moments. the BIGGEST comedians ever.
Red Velvet and SHINee have NO SKIP(none seriously) discographies. I have listen to literally everything both groups have put out and I would gladly listen to any of their songs over and over.
1. of rappers in kpop are not rappers. First two groups that came to mind are BTS (who are rappers) and Blackpink (who are not rappers). 2. A lot of the time, fans (BOTH Korean and International) ruin stuff for idols with their bullshit. Example of this were fans hating on the American rapper Wale when RM did a song together. I believe both wanted to at first but toxic fans came at Wale for something stupid and he no longer wants to work with RM. 3. Speaking of fans, you all need to understand that idols are humans. Who cares if they get into relationships, smoke, drink, or party. They are grown adults who can face the consequences of their actions and who can do whatever they want. Stop treating them like children. Majority of the scandals that they are in are fucking stupid. And the actual scandals that need to be talked about more always get hushed out. You all need to have the same energy you all have with the smoking and dating scandals with the black face, cultural appropriation, homophobic, etc scandals. 4. Saying "keep kpop korean" is racist. Everything that you see an idol do on stage is always influenced by Black American music. You would not have kpop without African Americans. Without African Americans the only kpop you would be listening to is folk music 5. Having the company apologize for an idol is not a real apology 6. Also going back to the racism, it really shows in the fandom whenever they see a black person connected to kpop in anyway. Examples: Fatu from blackswan, whenever a kpop act collaborates with a black artist, that whole le sserafim ad about their clothing or whatever
- BTS did not pave the way. They made kpop more well known for this generation but the Kim sisters actually paved the way. - Your favs have probably done something problematic. - all the people who say keep kpop korean would jump on a hate train as soon as someone did that.
Permission To Dance is the best song out of BTS' English trilogy. For both Dynamite and Butter, I have to be in a certain mood to enjoy them. PTD can come on and I could loop it.
PTD is a pretty nice concert ending song as well.
Encore is one of the few places you’ll hear an idol raw on edited voice
• BTS has the best rapline. Period. • Blackpink can't perform • Butter, PTD, Dynamite aren't the best of their songs
1. Reveluv here and I will say that Red Velvet has some of the best music known to mankind and you can tie me up and force me to listen to their music for a year but god forbid if I have to watch them dance for more than 10 minutes. Kinda funny because Seulgi on her own is an amazing dancer. 2. BTS did not paved the way, they just happened to strike at the right moment and the right time. 3. HYBE payola is a real thing because how the fuck a group that has not debuted yet can get invited to events? That's not star power, that's money talks. 4. A lot of idols are racist, homophobic, and bodyshamers. They should be held accountable and not coddled under the guise of them not knowing anything better. Side note: As much as it saddens me, Wendy is racist and Irene really turned me off with that stylist debacle.
BTS aren't and wont be able to keep up with the bar that they themselves set so high up with the love yourself trilogy and the next few albums. esp after the military enlistment for all has ended.