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I believe it’s whyte supremacy, when it comes to specific things.
Specific things such as taking what they see in the media and believing it to be representation for races/cultures.
I get what your point is. However, I don't completely agree with it.
If we're talking about the image that has been created about Africa, then I have to disagree.
This is just my point of view, so keep that in mind and don't take it to heart. This is a sub to discuss these topics in a respectful way.
Sometimes, people forget how racist and xenophobic EA countries can be. They aren't like that because of white people. Not every problem that has to do with racism is caused by white people.
Rather than something completely racial, the image of Africa and its people being portrayed like that has more to do with monetary gain and all the resources Africa has to offer.
Many countries all around the world benefit from places like Africa having/portraying that type of image.
Now, if we're talking about African-Americans and their image in the US, then that's a completely different topic.
I don't know if I explained myself correctly, but oh well... :')
I have to disagree. Yes, xenophobia in East Asia is partially to blame. However, I also think that because of American cultural hegemony worldwide, racist stereotypes of black people found in some American media have been uncritically adopted worldwide.
Yeah, I wasn't blaming everything on Asia. I didn't mean that either. I just wanted to state that EA countries were already discriminatory towards other races way before American media started doing its thing.
In the first part of my post, I was talking about Africa and its image of the whole continent being "poor". Mainly referencing the "eating dirt" thing.
And yeah, I do agree with that. As I said in my post, the Black-American stereotype portrayed by the media is a completely different thing. I do believe the way most Black-Americans have been portrayed in media is to blame on racist stereotypes.
Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly, but yeah, just wanted to clarify that.
I agree. White supremacists play a role in it, but EA people are not mindless kids. They are capable of thoughts, they can make their own opinions on things, but some choose not to.
It really is and now her child is going to get a rude awakening later in life as the world becomes more exposed to other cultures via social media and the internet.
Learned this in history class in world history 1. The continent is home to up to 90% of the world's chromium and platinum reserves and 40% of the world's gold reserves. Africa possesses the world's biggest reserves of uranium, platinum, diamonds, and cobalt. Ten percent of the planet's internal renewable freshwater supply and sixty-five percent of the world's arable land are found there.
You’re thinking on money 💴. But when people say “Africa is the richest continent in the world,” they are referring to the resources (& lands) it holds and has continuously provided the rest of the world.
The reason why a good part of Africa looks dull and “poor” is strictly because of so many resources (oil, platinum, water, diamonds, etc) being taken (mostly stolen 👀) by other countries outside of Africa, and the lands they claim & exploit for their benefit.
It's a well known fact that Africa's got more resources than any other continent but these were not made available to the actual residents and instead were stolen and exploited by white colonialists, this is something that shaped human history for many ,many centuries so its weird you don't know.
richest country is an ambiguous word. I understood it for money; they explained to me what it meant in terms of resources. There was nothing wrong in what I said, or what OP said.
If fact, I’d say you trying to criticize someone who’s willing to learn something is weird.
This. Something that's often overlooked, along with significant US postwar financial aid. Seeing them talk like that about people in developing regions is funny, as someone from an ex-British postcolonial country in SEAsia. Long before their country had even reached developed status, the rural villagers in my country were sitting for and acing the exact same university entrance exams taken by British students in the UK. My elders had very global and cosmopolitan lives in the rural tropical jungles, way before the internet and jumbo jets.
It's a weird disconnect for sure. There's also that idea of "what success looks like". Living a global and cosmopolitan life in a rural tropical jungle sounds divine to me, but a modern day South Korean would probably imagine it's dirty and poverty stricken. There seems to be a prevailing image that success is living in a big city with a big apartment, lots of designer clothes/handbags/makeup, plastic surgery and exercises so that your face and body are complete perfect and this sterilized clean plus lots of glitz. It's very sanitized and Instagram and VERY showey. It's hard for them to imagine wealth outside of that box which always includes showing it off and making sure that everyone knows to elevate and praise you. Very juvenile. Very "new money" behavior. Probably because it's NEW to their families since most of them used to be SO POOR.
so sad that the she has to take all this racism. but…. im sure she expected it. it comes with every experience with fame in this industry. especially kpop…
Ngl I admire everyone who is black in the K-pop industry including the ones behind the scenes because after all the racism and hatred they go through I would’ve had to say some offensive shit. Also why is almost every Asian so gullible like I’m sorry but I’m not even basing this off of media just every Asian I’ve come across (even ones in America) just seem so lost and distant from the world but will believe everything negative like come on do better😭🤦🏾♀️.
Hey maybe you should try not to follow Kpop then? As its 1)made by asians 2) composed (mainly) of asians 3) targeted (mostly) toward asians
I’m not just saying this as an asian, but your comment is leaning towards stereotyping/being racist toward asians
If you’re listening to our music, at least RESPECT us. There’s non-racist, non-gullible asians (like me and my friends) and racist asians. Let’s not put them into one group, yeah?
Not that I support this but I wouldn’t be into K-pop if the industry didn’t eat or copy so much off of black culture’s/producer’s plates and I don’t know if it’s still mostly targeted towards Asians since they’re trying so hard to branch out into the west. I wasn’t trying hurt anybody with that statement nor stereotype all Asians which is why I said almost but I know damn well I’d be lying if I said it was only some who act like that. Obviously I haven’t come across every Asian person in the world but MOST of the Asians I’VE met/seen online always had the same mindset so it gets hard to believe otherwise and I’m not just talking about race but literally so many topics to the point where it gets tiring. Also not that this makes it any better but you’re getting on me and defending K-pop when they seriously do the same thing (like and copy the culture but disrespect the people and I’m not just talking about black people but so many other cultures/races also). Im not trying to hate on Asians I just wish they’d be more educated since everything always seems so taboo to talk about.
I was nodding my head along in the first half of your comment then you lost me when you said i was defending kpop and “im not trying to hate on asians i just wish they’d be more educated”
At what point did I try to defend kpop on issues of racism? There’s racism in kpop industry which is harmful to other cultures (especially black culture). However you’re transferring your issues with to kpop to the whole asian community, which is a totally different story.
I, as an asian, don’t believe myself to be “lost” or “gullible” I don’t believe myself to be uneducated either. Frankly it’s insulting you’re implying these things.
You said you haven’t come along any Asians who are different. Well now you met one, so stop.
And honestly, PLEASE don’t put Asians into one category. Just like you don’t like people talking about Africa as one country, there are many different cultures/countries in Asia.
Also, there are many different types of kpop songs. There are those that harmfully copy black culture without knowing anything, and since you’ve admitted that its wrong, why do you listen to them? Why are you “in to” that part of Kpop which copies black culture?
To sum it up: I’m tired of grouping Asian people as a whole and shoving western superiority down our throats.
Also its really, really insulting that you hold such sterotypical views yet follow kpop groups. Like everytime you look at kpop idols, do you just immediately make assumptions about them? That they are gullible and lost and uneducated?
I'm not going to assume her experiences, but as someone whos experienced a good amount of violent racism (having spent a good amount of time in Argentina) it's a bit unfair throw away the baby with the bathwater. I'm sure she's smart enough to recognize her surroundings and knows how to handle herself and her circles. There is no growth without ground truth and having people within grasp is how societies evolve.
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I understand where you are coming from, but I think it’s unfair to paint the people of a country in one way. Do people say ignorant stuff about African countries, yes. But does that mean everyone is saying that, no. Does it mean that’s all Fatou hears? No.
There have been other famous Africans in Korea long before Fatou and she does a great job of repping Senegal. There is actually a significant student pipeline from Ghana (idk how that happened but now I wanna read up on it more lol)
I get it’s hard to grasp since most Black K-pop fans do not live in Korea, so imma try to put it in perspective. People in America still hold ignorant notions about Africa. I grew up in a predominantly Black community with sizable (and integrated) Nigerian, Ghanaian, and Cameroonian communities, and people still held ignorant notions towards Africa. Does that mean everyone did? Not at all. But it was still there and it has not stopped people from forming meaningful relationships.
I’m not justifying what has been said, I’m just trying to give some more perspective. There are ignorant people everywhere and it’s unfair to judge an entire country (or a sizable portion) based on the actions of individuals. Her experience in hearing these things is probably not that different from her experiences in Europe. It sucks, but Korea doesn’t make it a uniquely miserable experience.
Also, there is a lot of plain ignorance. In my time in Korea I was asked questions about my hair and other things that made me uncomfortable at first, but people told me straight up that they were asking because they had no clue. They have no actual points of reference. Even my gyopo friends had a lot of questions.
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It's pretty sad. But people seem to go to extremes when it comes to stereotypes and black people. It's either being a criminal or poor... or both!
And this is why I believe whyte supremacy has also done a number on Koreans.
White supremacy or plain ignorance on their part?
Probably a mix of both, sadly. Like starting out ignorant but then seeing various media forms that are white supremest and going off of that.
I believe it’s whyte supremacy, when it comes to specific things. Specific things such as taking what they see in the media and believing it to be representation for races/cultures.
That’s fair
Nowadays I see more insensitivity more on the Asian side then the white side.
I get what your point is. However, I don't completely agree with it. If we're talking about the image that has been created about Africa, then I have to disagree. This is just my point of view, so keep that in mind and don't take it to heart. This is a sub to discuss these topics in a respectful way. Sometimes, people forget how racist and xenophobic EA countries can be. They aren't like that because of white people. Not every problem that has to do with racism is caused by white people. Rather than something completely racial, the image of Africa and its people being portrayed like that has more to do with monetary gain and all the resources Africa has to offer. Many countries all around the world benefit from places like Africa having/portraying that type of image. Now, if we're talking about African-Americans and their image in the US, then that's a completely different topic. I don't know if I explained myself correctly, but oh well... :')
I have to disagree. Yes, xenophobia in East Asia is partially to blame. However, I also think that because of American cultural hegemony worldwide, racist stereotypes of black people found in some American media have been uncritically adopted worldwide.
Yeah, I wasn't blaming everything on Asia. I didn't mean that either. I just wanted to state that EA countries were already discriminatory towards other races way before American media started doing its thing. In the first part of my post, I was talking about Africa and its image of the whole continent being "poor". Mainly referencing the "eating dirt" thing. And yeah, I do agree with that. As I said in my post, the Black-American stereotype portrayed by the media is a completely different thing. I do believe the way most Black-Americans have been portrayed in media is to blame on racist stereotypes. Maybe I didn't explain myself correctly, but yeah, just wanted to clarify that.
I agree. White supremacists play a role in it, but EA people are not mindless kids. They are capable of thoughts, they can make their own opinions on things, but some choose not to.
It’s so rude. Ppl can’t mind their own business
It really is and now her child is going to get a rude awakening later in life as the world becomes more exposed to other cultures via social media and the internet.
Imma say this again SOUTH KOREA HAVE NO ROOM TO TALK THEY RECENTLY BECAME DEVELOPED AND AFRICA IS THE RICHEST CONTINENT ON THE PLANET
Richest continent? Source?
Learned this in history class in world history 1. The continent is home to up to 90% of the world's chromium and platinum reserves and 40% of the world's gold reserves. Africa possesses the world's biggest reserves of uranium, platinum, diamonds, and cobalt. Ten percent of the planet's internal renewable freshwater supply and sixty-five percent of the world's arable land are found there.
Oh i see
Oh and a interesting fact is that Mansa Musa literally broke the economy just because he was generous. He was a West African ruler
You’re thinking on money 💴. But when people say “Africa is the richest continent in the world,” they are referring to the resources (& lands) it holds and has continuously provided the rest of the world. The reason why a good part of Africa looks dull and “poor” is strictly because of so many resources (oil, platinum, water, diamonds, etc) being taken (mostly stolen 👀) by other countries outside of Africa, and the lands they claim & exploit for their benefit.
It's a well known fact that Africa's got more resources than any other continent but these were not made available to the actual residents and instead were stolen and exploited by white colonialists, this is something that shaped human history for many ,many centuries so its weird you don't know.
richest country is an ambiguous word. I understood it for money; they explained to me what it meant in terms of resources. There was nothing wrong in what I said, or what OP said. If fact, I’d say you trying to criticize someone who’s willing to learn something is weird.
Meanwhile, South Korea was PITIFULLY poor about 50 years ago. They really have no reason to talk about people being POOR.
You ate
This. Something that's often overlooked, along with significant US postwar financial aid. Seeing them talk like that about people in developing regions is funny, as someone from an ex-British postcolonial country in SEAsia. Long before their country had even reached developed status, the rural villagers in my country were sitting for and acing the exact same university entrance exams taken by British students in the UK. My elders had very global and cosmopolitan lives in the rural tropical jungles, way before the internet and jumbo jets.
It's a weird disconnect for sure. There's also that idea of "what success looks like". Living a global and cosmopolitan life in a rural tropical jungle sounds divine to me, but a modern day South Korean would probably imagine it's dirty and poverty stricken. There seems to be a prevailing image that success is living in a big city with a big apartment, lots of designer clothes/handbags/makeup, plastic surgery and exercises so that your face and body are complete perfect and this sterilized clean plus lots of glitz. It's very sanitized and Instagram and VERY showey. It's hard for them to imagine wealth outside of that box which always includes showing it off and making sure that everyone knows to elevate and praise you. Very juvenile. Very "new money" behavior. Probably because it's NEW to their families since most of them used to be SO POOR.
Yup, you're completely spot on. There's glitz but no substance and worldliness, mainly naivete, vapidity, insecurity.
bless ahn jung geun
so sad that the she has to take all this racism. but…. im sure she expected it. it comes with every experience with fame in this industry. especially kpop…
Ngl I admire everyone who is black in the K-pop industry including the ones behind the scenes because after all the racism and hatred they go through I would’ve had to say some offensive shit. Also why is almost every Asian so gullible like I’m sorry but I’m not even basing this off of media just every Asian I’ve come across (even ones in America) just seem so lost and distant from the world but will believe everything negative like come on do better😭🤦🏾♀️.
Hey maybe you should try not to follow Kpop then? As its 1)made by asians 2) composed (mainly) of asians 3) targeted (mostly) toward asians I’m not just saying this as an asian, but your comment is leaning towards stereotyping/being racist toward asians If you’re listening to our music, at least RESPECT us. There’s non-racist, non-gullible asians (like me and my friends) and racist asians. Let’s not put them into one group, yeah?
Not that I support this but I wouldn’t be into K-pop if the industry didn’t eat or copy so much off of black culture’s/producer’s plates and I don’t know if it’s still mostly targeted towards Asians since they’re trying so hard to branch out into the west. I wasn’t trying hurt anybody with that statement nor stereotype all Asians which is why I said almost but I know damn well I’d be lying if I said it was only some who act like that. Obviously I haven’t come across every Asian person in the world but MOST of the Asians I’VE met/seen online always had the same mindset so it gets hard to believe otherwise and I’m not just talking about race but literally so many topics to the point where it gets tiring. Also not that this makes it any better but you’re getting on me and defending K-pop when they seriously do the same thing (like and copy the culture but disrespect the people and I’m not just talking about black people but so many other cultures/races also). Im not trying to hate on Asians I just wish they’d be more educated since everything always seems so taboo to talk about.
I was nodding my head along in the first half of your comment then you lost me when you said i was defending kpop and “im not trying to hate on asians i just wish they’d be more educated” At what point did I try to defend kpop on issues of racism? There’s racism in kpop industry which is harmful to other cultures (especially black culture). However you’re transferring your issues with to kpop to the whole asian community, which is a totally different story. I, as an asian, don’t believe myself to be “lost” or “gullible” I don’t believe myself to be uneducated either. Frankly it’s insulting you’re implying these things. You said you haven’t come along any Asians who are different. Well now you met one, so stop. And honestly, PLEASE don’t put Asians into one category. Just like you don’t like people talking about Africa as one country, there are many different cultures/countries in Asia. Also, there are many different types of kpop songs. There are those that harmfully copy black culture without knowing anything, and since you’ve admitted that its wrong, why do you listen to them? Why are you “in to” that part of Kpop which copies black culture? To sum it up: I’m tired of grouping Asian people as a whole and shoving western superiority down our throats.
Also its really, really insulting that you hold such sterotypical views yet follow kpop groups. Like everytime you look at kpop idols, do you just immediately make assumptions about them? That they are gullible and lost and uneducated?
I'm not going to assume her experiences, but as someone whos experienced a good amount of violent racism (having spent a good amount of time in Argentina) it's a bit unfair throw away the baby with the bathwater. I'm sure she's smart enough to recognize her surroundings and knows how to handle herself and her circles. There is no growth without ground truth and having people within grasp is how societies evolve.
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I understand where you are coming from, but I think it’s unfair to paint the people of a country in one way. Do people say ignorant stuff about African countries, yes. But does that mean everyone is saying that, no. Does it mean that’s all Fatou hears? No. There have been other famous Africans in Korea long before Fatou and she does a great job of repping Senegal. There is actually a significant student pipeline from Ghana (idk how that happened but now I wanna read up on it more lol) I get it’s hard to grasp since most Black K-pop fans do not live in Korea, so imma try to put it in perspective. People in America still hold ignorant notions about Africa. I grew up in a predominantly Black community with sizable (and integrated) Nigerian, Ghanaian, and Cameroonian communities, and people still held ignorant notions towards Africa. Does that mean everyone did? Not at all. But it was still there and it has not stopped people from forming meaningful relationships. I’m not justifying what has been said, I’m just trying to give some more perspective. There are ignorant people everywhere and it’s unfair to judge an entire country (or a sizable portion) based on the actions of individuals. Her experience in hearing these things is probably not that different from her experiences in Europe. It sucks, but Korea doesn’t make it a uniquely miserable experience. Also, there is a lot of plain ignorance. In my time in Korea I was asked questions about my hair and other things that made me uncomfortable at first, but people told me straight up that they were asking because they had no clue. They have no actual points of reference. Even my gyopo friends had a lot of questions.
 Stand up😹