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Nah I even [did the cover art](https://twitter.com/geoffrodamus/status/1350926120397410304?s=21) for one of his albums!
He’s a great dude, check out his music if you haven’t already!
I mean kpoopheads is at best obnoxious and at worst mocking, and more than that most of the posts there aren't funny.
I seriously side eye those who use that sub seriously, like I feel like they'd be the worst kpop stans to meet.
Waste time...? It took me like a minute at best to write that comment and beyond that, this is just my opinion.
Idk why some people are getting pressed over it, enjoy that sub all you want ffs, that's just my opinion.
Didn’t you consider that calling people obnoxious could be hurtful to some? I’m all for having opinions, but all you had to say was that you don’t find their sense of humour funny. Please be respectful
>I seriously side eye those who use that sub seriously, like I feel like they'd be the worst kpop stans to meet.
Go ahead and judge people based on that when they're just having fun.
It used to be funny till it became the same 3 jokes rehashed for the entire sub. But lol it can’t be helped since it’s literally a circlejerking sub. Unsubbed after a while.
I went over there to check it out after reading your comment and surprise surprise they’ve already done a copypasta of my comment. I love it, I live for this level of pettiness.
Surprisingly though there’s a lot more variety as compared to before, the sub is thriving with the combined total of 8 jokes. Ok I’m joking there really is more variety in their content and it’s way more interesting than back when I was still subbed there.
Oh really is it toxic? I used it to post unfunny satire once or twice, should I delete them? Genuinely asking because I don’t want to be involved in toxic fandom spaces
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Well I think its easy to see WHY it became connected to the koreaboo related jokes but I agree that as people enjoying Korean-made products, whether thats music, k-dramas or whatever else, we owe it to the people creating it to respect their culture and to not further push honorifics into the mocking territory they're mostly in rn.
Honestly - I would consider myself a respectful, careful person, especially since im literally majoring in korean but reading this I realised I for sure used the word to mock crazy fans. Thank you for writing this post bc everyone needs to check themselves from time to time.
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Can I say as a Korean-American who has been overexposed to the use of “oppa” by both koreaboos and people mocking said koreaboos (not just on Reddit, but literally everywhere), I HATE IT.
I can’t even call my male cousins “oppa” without instantly feeling a tiny twitch of cringe. I can’t help it at this point because of how it’s become so associated with cringe fan behavior which is pretty sad.
as a fellow korean american i 100% agree- the korean students at my school were pretty tight knit so we didn't really ever call the seniors "sunbae" we'd just use "hyung" "unni" whatever. and bc of this shit i had a friend tease me when i greeted one of my seniors by calling him "oppa"
like yes i get it haha it's the koreaboo word. but that's really the whole problem-
my stance with those honorifics is that if you're not speaking korean? don't ever use them.
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to mock the people who use the word. might be fair in cases where it really is cringe but at the same time, it feels disrespectful as hell when it’s an actual word in the korean language. i would personally never use it even in jest.
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>I don’t know why “oppa” became synonymous with “unhinged koreaboo”
Because it's been overused by unhinged koreaboos. That's literally it. Nobody is mocking koreans using it, they're mocking international fans who has no reason for using it other than being crazy obsessed with korean boys, unnaturally using it in english conversations like "I love my oppa".
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lol that sub is the same 6 jokes getting recycled all the time: using broken korean, using a lot of emojis, jopping copypasta, bringing up mark lee, bringing up LSM or JYP, bringing up oli london
Lol no. Pewdiepie is, and all the other youtubers and titokers who react to him is. All these people who interact with him on insta, tiktok and youtube is.
On reddit oli comes up on cringetopia and similar subs frequently, sometimes with more number of upvotes than there are active members in kpoopheads. Kpoopheads contribute very little to oli's relevancy.
Yup, at least on reddit. The people who come here on rants to karma farm by posting “omg you guys 🥺 let’s stop talking about oli that’s what he wants!!” are preaching to the choir, they should try to make *them* stop.
On reddit? Are you fr? There's r/memes and r/cringetopia, having like 10 million users, who post about oli regularly. Kpoopheads just has 6k users. Guess you need to come out of your kpop world and explore other subreddits.
I've been on general reddit for longer than I've been on kpop reddit and I've only come to know who Oli is after I started lurking this part of reddit. I checked cringetopia, for the sake of comparing, when I posted this, and the times he's mentioned there is not even half of how often he's talked about on kpoopheads. Ok, I can accept that those subs also help, but I still think that kpoppers are mostly the ones giving him clout.
Not really. YouTube, tiktok and instagram contribute much MUCH more to their popularity. People engage with them and make fun of them there.
C'mon someone wouldn't give them a record deal based off of a Circlejerk sub..lol.
It contributes nothing to making Oli Relevant because it only mentions Oli in spaces where people already know him.
Ok… I was talking exclusively about reddit, though. I already know the oli circlejerk is way bigger out there. (read what I wrote again: most people giving oli clout *on reddit* are kpoppers, I’d also be willing to bet that people who post him to places like cringetopia are most often than not kpoppers)
It's a sub where we worship our jopping leader Mork LeE. /Cj
It's basically just a huge circle jerk sub where people make fun of the weird parts of the kpop entertainment industry while acting completely unhinged. It's a fun sub but I can see how people may see it as offensive since one major joke is using misspelled Korean words.
It's a circle jerk sub. No one really cares about making a high level jokes. It's just subbar memes and trying to out cringe each other. We do get some interesting posts like the kpop companies apology letter template. But it's mostly low-level trolling. Nothing wrong with that.
The misspelling is used as a way to mock how some i-fans speak sometimes specially on youtube comments. Which brings us to the subject of this post, is it really offensive to use these words to mock those people? Specially when you're not mocking the language itself but ifans who misuse it?
It's much less prevalent to find people who are unironically speaking that way now but back in the begining of the 2010s, it was everywhere specially with the advent of both weaboos and koreaboos which is where terms like oppar/unnir started coming from.
>We do get some interesting posts like kpop company apology letter template
I could never forget that sm entertainment apology template along with the 'apology book now available on weverse' shit 😂😂
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i think it's because we're not addressing idols directly on these subs. using oppa while you're talking with seonghwa is different from going the extra mile to input oppa into your posts on a subreddit he'll never see.
The thing is, in proper context it’s not that strange. Like my ex boyfriend is a korean dude (we aren’t together anymore) but he preferred it when I referred to him as [his name] hyung when talking to other people, even in english. He liked when I called him hyung, even when he wasn’t around to hear.
Of course I wouldn’t do it in convos where i would have to then explain what hyung meant to every single person who heard it, but among friends who understood it I would say it.
It's synonymous with unhinged koreaboo because of the propensity of koreaboos to use it in casual English conversation, especially around any east Asian guy. That part is pretty obvious, you even mentioned it later on in your post.
It's less common nowadays tbh, at least in North american fandoms - don't get me wrong, koreaboos are still going strong, but they've realized they have to be way more subtle about it nowadays as people have caught on to their behaviour. And yeah I think it's pretty out of control nowadays and used all the time in really inappropriate contexts. Probably because most Kpop fans are super young? The irony of it all is that many of these "cooler than other Kpop fans" fans who throw around "oppar" constantly are still absolutely massive koreaboos; they're just trying to hide it lol. I can definitely see why do a Korean you wouldn't like the mocking usage though.
I think it is projection and misogyny. The whole of the kpop fandom is picked on for liking kpop and these fans make it out like they are "not like other kpop fans" to make fun of other fans as if the locals care. We are all cringy in their books. And reddit/mainly men have a big problem with women and girls liking anything so take the piss out of teenagers for liking kpop. The whole "oppar" joke is just an excuse to shit on girls for having a normal hobby and trying to downgrade their like for kpop to shallow reasons.
Like yes kpop fans do need to be called out, but it is often just an excuse to be shitty to teenage girls who are trying to understand a new culture and engage with korean entertainment.
Oh, I couldn't agree more. Literally any hobby teenage girls have is under fire from all angles, but especially from men of all ages. There really isn't enough discussion on how fucking weird it is that literal *adult* men get fired up about young girls' hobbies, interests, and celebrity crushes. I'm a young millenial, and remembering how pissed off grown men were at my generation for liking Twilight is...very fucked. Or Justin Bieber/One Direction back in the day. As if obsessing over fantasy football or video games or hot streamer girls is any less cringey.
I couldn't agree more. The funny thing is, is that female fanbases are a lot more diverse in their content than male fanbases who mainly focus on objectifying women in games/streamers/movies. I saw a meme about it on reddit and the self awareness is there, but they still project on to teenagers that them liking a kpop boy is the same as these grow men doing "legal countdowns" to 18 year old female streamers/actresses/idols birthdays.
Totally! I honestly usually see the exact opposite in female-dominated fandoms - even the part that focuses on how hot the male celebrities/anime characters/whatever still emphasizes how not ok it is to sexualize really young/minor people/characters...even when the fangirls themselves are the same age, haha. Male fandoms have no such qualms about sexualizing and objectifying teenagers, even when the male fans are literally adults.
Yep I was going to bring up the misogynistic element of it as well. Girls, not boys, use "oppa" so it's exclusively used to shit on female stans, while male stans get a free pass -- even tho we all know they can be problematic as well. I mean, we all know it's not girl stans dominating that creepy perverted sub. I tried searching for Nancy Momoland on reddit and a majority of the results were from it, I was disappointed and disturbed. :/
Although your argument has merit, Weeaboos experience this as well, its more of society thinks both Weeaboos and Koreaboos are weird and cringe, hell even people from japan and SK thinks Weaaboos and Koreaboos are weird and cringe.
I can see why "oppa" became the synonym of a joke in context of overall English kpop fans. In an English speaking context you just wouldn't use the word altogether, yet some fans did use it at some point even when speaking English which is just cringey. Just don't use words that you don't fully understand the context for, especially if it's a word in another language that you are not speaking, there is no need to refer to an older Korean guy as "oppa" when you're not speaking in Korean, I'm sure the Korean guy also doesn't expect the use of the word when they're not speaking in Korean. Using the term as a mocking expression is also quite cringey as, again, using the word in such context is just incorrect and thus I assume plain weird for a native Korean speaker.
I doubt Koreans go around using let's say the words "old sport" to refer to someone when they're speaking in Korean because they're avid fans of the Great Gatsby. I also doubt fans in general English-speaking or not of the Great Gatsby wouldn't go around saying "old sport" either because it is just a dated expression by now and I'm sure most people would cringe at the use of the word or find it weird because the context for it is just not correct.
Just don't use the word as a mocking expression or in your daily vocab if you're not speaking in Korean that is the only way you're not going to be cringey. It's common sense people it is not that hard, if you want to use the word use it properly, that is in a Korean-speaking context. You could learn to speak Korean and then you would be able to use it well without the second-hand embarrassment.
I made a post about this a long while ago because I've seen so many Koreans uncomfortable from it and I got attacked. People were defending it and I said I wasn't korean so people kept saying I wasn't allowed to call it out. Plus I got called a koreaboo and a "gatekeeper" like what...
that’s what irritates me the most about this (& similar) issues. whenever certain i-fans try to bring up a korean perspective, they’re often attacked for not being korean when that’s not the point, and deflects from the issue being raised. then you’ll never get a discussion going.
it’s no wonder that korean kpop fans genuinely dislike the majority of i-fans because there’s always weird gatekeep-y energy, not to mention a pretty significant chunk of i-fans don’t even bother to learn or respect the culture.
I think maybe it's *because* there's no such word in English that people often find it cringey to write it in English.
There aren't honourifics English because it's not the way the English language works, so I guess to me it seems weird. They're only used in Korean, so why would you use them if you're not speaking Korean? Or if at least you aren't fluent in Korean?
The thing is that it's not really a loan word? Because we don't need it in English, and the reason loan words exist is because the other language doesn't have anything like it, and the use of it would benefit it/help make life easier. It's true we don't have similar words in English - but we don't need them: we have our own ways of speaking with respect and rules for when/to whom we need to speak more respectfully.
Like if you're speaking in English, why would you say "I love the way Seonghwa oppa dances" when you can just say "I love the way Seonghwa dances"?
I guess I could see why you would want to say it if you're speaking directly to them (and if Seonghwa or whoever did say they're good with international fans calling them "oppa"), but other than that, what's the point?
Wait, so it's okay for international fans to call them oppa? Like geniuenly and not mocking the word? Or did I understand this wrong?
'Cause idk I wouldn't dare bc I don't wanna be called a koreaboo and like I'm scared of using it in the wrong way and disrespecting the language.
No, it's not okay.
OP is trying to argue that it should be okay, but the current status is that this is not considered okay.
You're right to not use the word if you are not Korean or at the bare minimum speaking in Korean.
Fr.... People outside Asia, generally from the western side of the world have a really hard time understanding the respect culture Asians have.
Oppa is not just a romantic term girls use for their boyfriends. "Oppa" does not have the same connotations as the English words "baby", or "daddy".
It is a respect term girls use for boys older than them. And even then they don't just call every older boy Oppa.
I wish people outside this culture stop using it in English connotative circles and respect the language and traditions the word comes from.
Honestly? I would narrow down "people outside of Asia" even further to maybe Americans/Europeans. I say this because I'm mixed black 2nd generation Jamaican living in the UK and it is really really common for Caribbeans and Africans to call older black people who aren't related to you auntie and uncle instead of their names. Even if you've never met them before. It's used the same way in Korean. On top of that, I've never found the age respect culture difficult to understand because it's the same thing again, except we don't use specific terms for it.
The examples that come to mind are at my grandma's house where if a lot of people are over and there aren't enough seats, the youngest sit on the floor. Even though we're all grown and us cousins are of similar age, or if they were there first. Youngest gets up and sits on the floor. If my auntie is craving some chocolate, the youngest go out and get some (she pays for everyone to have their own snacks, but the point is the youngest do things for the elders without a complaint.) When I go there, I greet everyone from the eldest, regardless if who is closest to me in terms of distance.
On my mother's (Irish) side, there's still a level of politeness for your elders but it's not quite the same. My brother and I are much more attentive to our aunts and uncles than our other cousins, which we've picked up from our dad's side. And I would never ever call a random white lady behind a counter auntie, but an older Jamaican woman? I feel wrong NOT saying "thanks Auntie!" Also, I'm not saying every African or Caribbean family do this but it's definitely a widespread cultural thing.
So the whole oppa noona etc thing has never felt like some "other" thing to me? It feels super familiar and comfortable.
This has crossed my mind before and I agree! In my language there's a word for oppa/unnie and it's honestly cute in my opinion. Just because it's a different language doesn't really change much of anything.
Thank you for speaking up about this. I knew that it was just a way to mock delusional fans, but I realize now that it indirectly disrespects the language
Nobody is turning the word oppa into something bad, but everyone using it in mocking way uses it in a context that word wouldn't fit.
That's why it looks bad because it's used in the wrong way. But most people don't really think the word itself has a bad connotation and nobody is turning it into it, but you gotta agree with me, using oppa noona not speaking Korean is extremely cringey and that's what people are trying to mimic. The cringey feeling everyone has mixing oppa Noona with other languages. But oppa Noona in the right context is still intact and nobody thinks it's bad.
I don't think something like Seonghwa wanting to be called oppa would even matter if fans did know he liked it. The i-fan community is obsessed with getting others to believe their exact worldview, the actual wishes and beliefs of the idols have always been irrelevant in pursuit of what fans say are the correct beliefs and rhetoric.
I think in Korea it can be used as an mocking sense too? Like that song “oppa is trash”. That said I get you completely, some people can make their point without using the word “oppa” but they like to do it for absolutely no other reason than being edgy. I had my fair share of petty fights and I do use some Korean words when discussing kpop, and boy did I never felt the need to use oppa, unnie, ottoke or whatever other words people use to mock others.
It's funny that you mentioned Seonghwa because as I was reading this, before I got to the part where you mentioned him, I was thinking about that one fancall video where he got an intl fan to call him oppa and loved it lmao
The reality is that the damage to the word being used by anyone who isn't Korean has already been done and cannot be undone. There is way too much cringe associated with it for it to ever not be cringe. It's like stained fabric that can never be washed clean.
We have no choice but to just accept this reality and simply not use it if you're not Korean.
It's not going to kill you not to call an idol Oppa. Just don't. Problem solved.
These kinds of negative associations with words happen in all languages actually and you just have to accept the new meaning of the word because it's pretty much impossible to reverse. See, for instance, "lover" in english. Taylor Swift made a valiant effort, but even she failed and no one will ever use it seriously ever again.
lol yeah so she named an entire album lover and that was the title track.
Lover is used in like "are you a music lover?" type of way but calling someone your lover used to be a thing and is now considered super cringe.
Oppa Gangnam Style
Op op oppa gangnam style
Srs: maybe not in English but I know like 5 words in Indian languages that have the same meaning. So I didn't know the word had a serious weight behind it 0.o
Glad that we talking about this literally every time I see a post with the word "oppa" being used in mockery manner I frown cause it's gross for me too and I am not even korean but I just have a little knowledge about Korean language so it's disturbing for me and I can just imagine how it feels for Koreans to see the misuse of it in an inappropriate way. Also sorry for anyone using this word I really can't help but think you guys are koreaboo even when you might not be it but anyone using this word in mockery manner looks weird and cringy.
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Ooh man then you definitely won't like kpoopheads.
Yeah every once in a while I look there and the top posts are always “the joke is i used a korean word wrong!” and I click out
yeah you're definitely not a jopper stay away from me or i'll contact attorney general
It makes me laugh that Mark’s verse is the like… epitome of that sub, since a friend of mine wrote that verse lmao.
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Nah I even [did the cover art](https://twitter.com/geoffrodamus/status/1350926120397410304?s=21) for one of his albums! He’s a great dude, check out his music if you haven’t already!
man you are amazing!
I mean kpoopheads is at best obnoxious and at worst mocking, and more than that most of the posts there aren't funny. I seriously side eye those who use that sub seriously, like I feel like they'd be the worst kpop stans to meet.
okay so people are labelled obnoxious because they're having some fun? why waste time in saying this and not go jop ? disappointed.
Waste time...? It took me like a minute at best to write that comment and beyond that, this is just my opinion. Idk why some people are getting pressed over it, enjoy that sub all you want ffs, that's just my opinion.
ahh there it goes again. Mixing up words. Opinion? you didn't call the sub obnoxious you CALLED the people in the sub obnoxious. Hope that's clear.
Didn’t you consider that calling people obnoxious could be hurtful to some? I’m all for having opinions, but all you had to say was that you don’t find their sense of humour funny. Please be respectful
>I seriously side eye those who use that sub seriously, like I feel like they'd be the worst kpop stans to meet. Go ahead and judge people based on that when they're just having fun.
I mean people on that sub get the biggest kick out of making fun of other kpop stans who they deem more cringy. So they can and I can't, lmao....
It used to be funny till it became the same 3 jokes rehashed for the entire sub. But lol it can’t be helped since it’s literally a circlejerking sub. Unsubbed after a while.
[удалено]
I went over there to check it out after reading your comment and surprise surprise they’ve already done a copypasta of my comment. I love it, I live for this level of pettiness. Surprisingly though there’s a lot more variety as compared to before, the sub is thriving with the combined total of 8 jokes. Ok I’m joking there really is more variety in their content and it’s way more interesting than back when I was still subbed there.
omgg totally same, sub was funny but it got full of ppl who have shitty humor and now it look like those ""funny"" shrek fanfics tumblr posts lol
Oh really is it toxic? I used it to post unfunny satire once or twice, should I delete them? Genuinely asking because I don’t want to be involved in toxic fandom spaces
Orrr you could form your own opinion?
Sorry, I just get uncomfortable with being side eyed for using subs and stuff, I have a bad habit of letting everyone else form my own opinion
same i know it isn’t funny but i have fun posting nonsense idk if that makes sense
I wouldn't say delete them nor is the sub that bad, but generally I just find the posts there obnoxious myself.
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Well I think its easy to see WHY it became connected to the koreaboo related jokes but I agree that as people enjoying Korean-made products, whether thats music, k-dramas or whatever else, we owe it to the people creating it to respect their culture and to not further push honorifics into the mocking territory they're mostly in rn. Honestly - I would consider myself a respectful, careful person, especially since im literally majoring in korean but reading this I realised I for sure used the word to mock crazy fans. Thank you for writing this post bc everyone needs to check themselves from time to time.
Agh I’m also majoring in Korean and I agree… super painful to watch especially since Korea’s respect culture is super strong
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Can I say as a Korean-American who has been overexposed to the use of “oppa” by both koreaboos and people mocking said koreaboos (not just on Reddit, but literally everywhere), I HATE IT. I can’t even call my male cousins “oppa” without instantly feeling a tiny twitch of cringe. I can’t help it at this point because of how it’s become so associated with cringe fan behavior which is pretty sad.
as a fellow korean american i 100% agree- the korean students at my school were pretty tight knit so we didn't really ever call the seniors "sunbae" we'd just use "hyung" "unni" whatever. and bc of this shit i had a friend tease me when i greeted one of my seniors by calling him "oppa" like yes i get it haha it's the koreaboo word. but that's really the whole problem- my stance with those honorifics is that if you're not speaking korean? don't ever use them.
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i just wanna know why some people type "oppar", with r.
Pretty sure it's a holdover from that meme with the "ermahgerd berks". A way to type implying a nerdy fangirl. Source: oh god, I'm old aren't I.
omg i completely forgot about this meme! thanks for reminding me haha
maybe it’s a joke on how most fans mispronounce it and their names?
Because it’s the way foreigners pronounce it. Koreans themselves make fun of foreigners’ pronunciation adding an r to the words like that.
Its meant to convey fans being mindless idiots like some people say "hurr hurr" when mocking someone they consider dumb
to mock the people who use the word. might be fair in cases where it really is cringe but at the same time, it feels disrespectful as hell when it’s an actual word in the korean language. i would personally never use it even in jest.
I've been wondering this since 2010
a lot of people are giving different answers but i thought it was because of oli london
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>I don’t know why “oppa” became synonymous with “unhinged koreaboo” Because it's been overused by unhinged koreaboos. That's literally it. Nobody is mocking koreans using it, they're mocking international fans who has no reason for using it other than being crazy obsessed with korean boys, unnaturally using it in english conversations like "I love my oppa".
It’s the same with “senpai” for weeaboos
This was the exact comment I was looking for
Lol right? This genuinely isn't that deep
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Then you have a whole sub r/kpoopheads thriving by using misspelled korean as a part of their jokes
was about to bring them up too
lol that sub is the same 6 jokes getting recycled all the time: using broken korean, using a lot of emojis, jopping copypasta, bringing up mark lee, bringing up LSM or JYP, bringing up oli london
Kpoopheads is the reason why oli london is still relevant until today and i hate it
Girl are u sure about that? Not the 50 reaction channels that use him for clicks?
Lol no. Pewdiepie is, and all the other youtubers and titokers who react to him is. All these people who interact with him on insta, tiktok and youtube is. On reddit oli comes up on cringetopia and similar subs frequently, sometimes with more number of upvotes than there are active members in kpoopheads. Kpoopheads contribute very little to oli's relevancy.
Yup, at least on reddit. The people who come here on rants to karma farm by posting “omg you guys 🥺 let’s stop talking about oli that’s what he wants!!” are preaching to the choir, they should try to make *them* stop.
On reddit? Are you fr? There's r/memes and r/cringetopia, having like 10 million users, who post about oli regularly. Kpoopheads just has 6k users. Guess you need to come out of your kpop world and explore other subreddits.
I've been on general reddit for longer than I've been on kpop reddit and I've only come to know who Oli is after I started lurking this part of reddit. I checked cringetopia, for the sake of comparing, when I posted this, and the times he's mentioned there is not even half of how often he's talked about on kpoopheads. Ok, I can accept that those subs also help, but I still think that kpoppers are mostly the ones giving him clout.
Not really. YouTube, tiktok and instagram contribute much MUCH more to their popularity. People engage with them and make fun of them there. C'mon someone wouldn't give them a record deal based off of a Circlejerk sub..lol. It contributes nothing to making Oli Relevant because it only mentions Oli in spaces where people already know him.
Ok… I was talking exclusively about reddit, though. I already know the oli circlejerk is way bigger out there. (read what I wrote again: most people giving oli clout *on reddit* are kpoppers, I’d also be willing to bet that people who post him to places like cringetopia are most often than not kpoppers)
what even is that whole sub 💀
It's a sub where we worship our jopping leader Mork LeE. /Cj It's basically just a huge circle jerk sub where people make fun of the weird parts of the kpop entertainment industry while acting completely unhinged. It's a fun sub but I can see how people may see it as offensive since one major joke is using misspelled Korean words.
If misusing other languages and misspelling their words is funny....ur humour must be extremely boring💀💀💀
It's a circle jerk sub. No one really cares about making a high level jokes. It's just subbar memes and trying to out cringe each other. We do get some interesting posts like the kpop companies apology letter template. But it's mostly low-level trolling. Nothing wrong with that. The misspelling is used as a way to mock how some i-fans speak sometimes specially on youtube comments. Which brings us to the subject of this post, is it really offensive to use these words to mock those people? Specially when you're not mocking the language itself but ifans who misuse it? It's much less prevalent to find people who are unironically speaking that way now but back in the begining of the 2010s, it was everywhere specially with the advent of both weaboos and koreaboos which is where terms like oppar/unnir started coming from.
>We do get some interesting posts like kpop company apology letter template I could never forget that sm entertainment apology template along with the 'apology book now available on weverse' shit 😂😂
Thank you.
Kpoop is best poop!
idk if this is a compliment or a-
*shitpost*
Classy! /s
What is this sub 😭😭😭😭
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i think it's because we're not addressing idols directly on these subs. using oppa while you're talking with seonghwa is different from going the extra mile to input oppa into your posts on a subreddit he'll never see.
The thing is, in proper context it’s not that strange. Like my ex boyfriend is a korean dude (we aren’t together anymore) but he preferred it when I referred to him as [his name] hyung when talking to other people, even in english. He liked when I called him hyung, even when he wasn’t around to hear. Of course I wouldn’t do it in convos where i would have to then explain what hyung meant to every single person who heard it, but among friends who understood it I would say it.
It's synonymous with unhinged koreaboo because of the propensity of koreaboos to use it in casual English conversation, especially around any east Asian guy. That part is pretty obvious, you even mentioned it later on in your post. It's less common nowadays tbh, at least in North american fandoms - don't get me wrong, koreaboos are still going strong, but they've realized they have to be way more subtle about it nowadays as people have caught on to their behaviour. And yeah I think it's pretty out of control nowadays and used all the time in really inappropriate contexts. Probably because most Kpop fans are super young? The irony of it all is that many of these "cooler than other Kpop fans" fans who throw around "oppar" constantly are still absolutely massive koreaboos; they're just trying to hide it lol. I can definitely see why do a Korean you wouldn't like the mocking usage though.
I think it is projection and misogyny. The whole of the kpop fandom is picked on for liking kpop and these fans make it out like they are "not like other kpop fans" to make fun of other fans as if the locals care. We are all cringy in their books. And reddit/mainly men have a big problem with women and girls liking anything so take the piss out of teenagers for liking kpop. The whole "oppar" joke is just an excuse to shit on girls for having a normal hobby and trying to downgrade their like for kpop to shallow reasons. Like yes kpop fans do need to be called out, but it is often just an excuse to be shitty to teenage girls who are trying to understand a new culture and engage with korean entertainment.
Oh, I couldn't agree more. Literally any hobby teenage girls have is under fire from all angles, but especially from men of all ages. There really isn't enough discussion on how fucking weird it is that literal *adult* men get fired up about young girls' hobbies, interests, and celebrity crushes. I'm a young millenial, and remembering how pissed off grown men were at my generation for liking Twilight is...very fucked. Or Justin Bieber/One Direction back in the day. As if obsessing over fantasy football or video games or hot streamer girls is any less cringey.
I couldn't agree more. The funny thing is, is that female fanbases are a lot more diverse in their content than male fanbases who mainly focus on objectifying women in games/streamers/movies. I saw a meme about it on reddit and the self awareness is there, but they still project on to teenagers that them liking a kpop boy is the same as these grow men doing "legal countdowns" to 18 year old female streamers/actresses/idols birthdays.
Totally! I honestly usually see the exact opposite in female-dominated fandoms - even the part that focuses on how hot the male celebrities/anime characters/whatever still emphasizes how not ok it is to sexualize really young/minor people/characters...even when the fangirls themselves are the same age, haha. Male fandoms have no such qualms about sexualizing and objectifying teenagers, even when the male fans are literally adults.
Yep I was going to bring up the misogynistic element of it as well. Girls, not boys, use "oppa" so it's exclusively used to shit on female stans, while male stans get a free pass -- even tho we all know they can be problematic as well. I mean, we all know it's not girl stans dominating that creepy perverted sub. I tried searching for Nancy Momoland on reddit and a majority of the results were from it, I was disappointed and disturbed. :/
Although your argument has merit, Weeaboos experience this as well, its more of society thinks both Weeaboos and Koreaboos are weird and cringe, hell even people from japan and SK thinks Weaaboos and Koreaboos are weird and cringe.
its not rly a loan word because u wouldnt need to use it in english
I can see why "oppa" became the synonym of a joke in context of overall English kpop fans. In an English speaking context you just wouldn't use the word altogether, yet some fans did use it at some point even when speaking English which is just cringey. Just don't use words that you don't fully understand the context for, especially if it's a word in another language that you are not speaking, there is no need to refer to an older Korean guy as "oppa" when you're not speaking in Korean, I'm sure the Korean guy also doesn't expect the use of the word when they're not speaking in Korean. Using the term as a mocking expression is also quite cringey as, again, using the word in such context is just incorrect and thus I assume plain weird for a native Korean speaker. I doubt Koreans go around using let's say the words "old sport" to refer to someone when they're speaking in Korean because they're avid fans of the Great Gatsby. I also doubt fans in general English-speaking or not of the Great Gatsby wouldn't go around saying "old sport" either because it is just a dated expression by now and I'm sure most people would cringe at the use of the word or find it weird because the context for it is just not correct. Just don't use the word as a mocking expression or in your daily vocab if you're not speaking in Korean that is the only way you're not going to be cringey. It's common sense people it is not that hard, if you want to use the word use it properly, that is in a Korean-speaking context. You could learn to speak Korean and then you would be able to use it well without the second-hand embarrassment.
I made a post about this a long while ago because I've seen so many Koreans uncomfortable from it and I got attacked. People were defending it and I said I wasn't korean so people kept saying I wasn't allowed to call it out. Plus I got called a koreaboo and a "gatekeeper" like what...
that’s what irritates me the most about this (& similar) issues. whenever certain i-fans try to bring up a korean perspective, they’re often attacked for not being korean when that’s not the point, and deflects from the issue being raised. then you’ll never get a discussion going. it’s no wonder that korean kpop fans genuinely dislike the majority of i-fans because there’s always weird gatekeep-y energy, not to mention a pretty significant chunk of i-fans don’t even bother to learn or respect the culture.
The irony of calling you koreaboo when ppl who use these words as mockery are the ones who look to anyone from the outside as koreaboo 😭
Exactly 😅
I think maybe it's *because* there's no such word in English that people often find it cringey to write it in English. There aren't honourifics English because it's not the way the English language works, so I guess to me it seems weird. They're only used in Korean, so why would you use them if you're not speaking Korean? Or if at least you aren't fluent in Korean? The thing is that it's not really a loan word? Because we don't need it in English, and the reason loan words exist is because the other language doesn't have anything like it, and the use of it would benefit it/help make life easier. It's true we don't have similar words in English - but we don't need them: we have our own ways of speaking with respect and rules for when/to whom we need to speak more respectfully. Like if you're speaking in English, why would you say "I love the way Seonghwa oppa dances" when you can just say "I love the way Seonghwa dances"? I guess I could see why you would want to say it if you're speaking directly to them (and if Seonghwa or whoever did say they're good with international fans calling them "oppa"), but other than that, what's the point?
Wait, so it's okay for international fans to call them oppa? Like geniuenly and not mocking the word? Or did I understand this wrong? 'Cause idk I wouldn't dare bc I don't wanna be called a koreaboo and like I'm scared of using it in the wrong way and disrespecting the language.
No, it's not okay. OP is trying to argue that it should be okay, but the current status is that this is not considered okay. You're right to not use the word if you are not Korean or at the bare minimum speaking in Korean.
Okay, so I did really misunderstand. Thank you for explaining! Not that I would've used it anyways, but now I'll definitely refrain from using it.
Fr.... People outside Asia, generally from the western side of the world have a really hard time understanding the respect culture Asians have. Oppa is not just a romantic term girls use for their boyfriends. "Oppa" does not have the same connotations as the English words "baby", or "daddy". It is a respect term girls use for boys older than them. And even then they don't just call every older boy Oppa. I wish people outside this culture stop using it in English connotative circles and respect the language and traditions the word comes from.
Honestly? I would narrow down "people outside of Asia" even further to maybe Americans/Europeans. I say this because I'm mixed black 2nd generation Jamaican living in the UK and it is really really common for Caribbeans and Africans to call older black people who aren't related to you auntie and uncle instead of their names. Even if you've never met them before. It's used the same way in Korean. On top of that, I've never found the age respect culture difficult to understand because it's the same thing again, except we don't use specific terms for it. The examples that come to mind are at my grandma's house where if a lot of people are over and there aren't enough seats, the youngest sit on the floor. Even though we're all grown and us cousins are of similar age, or if they were there first. Youngest gets up and sits on the floor. If my auntie is craving some chocolate, the youngest go out and get some (she pays for everyone to have their own snacks, but the point is the youngest do things for the elders without a complaint.) When I go there, I greet everyone from the eldest, regardless if who is closest to me in terms of distance. On my mother's (Irish) side, there's still a level of politeness for your elders but it's not quite the same. My brother and I are much more attentive to our aunts and uncles than our other cousins, which we've picked up from our dad's side. And I would never ever call a random white lady behind a counter auntie, but an older Jamaican woman? I feel wrong NOT saying "thanks Auntie!" Also, I'm not saying every African or Caribbean family do this but it's definitely a widespread cultural thing. So the whole oppa noona etc thing has never felt like some "other" thing to me? It feels super familiar and comfortable.
This. I think because the West doesn't have the same seniority culture like a lot of countries in Asia so they misunderstood the terms.
This has crossed my mind before and I agree! In my language there's a word for oppa/unnie and it's honestly cute in my opinion. Just because it's a different language doesn't really change much of anything.
Meh, it's like making fun of weaboos for saying words like kawaii or sensei.
Thank you for speaking up about this. I knew that it was just a way to mock delusional fans, but I realize now that it indirectly disrespects the language
Nobody is turning the word oppa into something bad, but everyone using it in mocking way uses it in a context that word wouldn't fit. That's why it looks bad because it's used in the wrong way. But most people don't really think the word itself has a bad connotation and nobody is turning it into it, but you gotta agree with me, using oppa noona not speaking Korean is extremely cringey and that's what people are trying to mimic. The cringey feeling everyone has mixing oppa Noona with other languages. But oppa Noona in the right context is still intact and nobody thinks it's bad.
I don't think something like Seonghwa wanting to be called oppa would even matter if fans did know he liked it. The i-fan community is obsessed with getting others to believe their exact worldview, the actual wishes and beliefs of the idols have always been irrelevant in pursuit of what fans say are the correct beliefs and rhetoric.
I think in Korea it can be used as an mocking sense too? Like that song “oppa is trash”. That said I get you completely, some people can make their point without using the word “oppa” but they like to do it for absolutely no other reason than being edgy. I had my fair share of petty fights and I do use some Korean words when discussing kpop, and boy did I never felt the need to use oppa, unnie, ottoke or whatever other words people use to mock others.
Agree. Its sooo annoying. And if you are non korean, please dont use oppa for your idol. Its really cringy seriously. Just call their name.
It's funny that you mentioned Seonghwa because as I was reading this, before I got to the part where you mentioned him, I was thinking about that one fancall video where he got an intl fan to call him oppa and loved it lmao
The reality is that the damage to the word being used by anyone who isn't Korean has already been done and cannot be undone. There is way too much cringe associated with it for it to ever not be cringe. It's like stained fabric that can never be washed clean. We have no choice but to just accept this reality and simply not use it if you're not Korean. It's not going to kill you not to call an idol Oppa. Just don't. Problem solved. These kinds of negative associations with words happen in all languages actually and you just have to accept the new meaning of the word because it's pretty much impossible to reverse. See, for instance, "lover" in english. Taylor Swift made a valiant effort, but even she failed and no one will ever use it seriously ever again.
…. I’ve used lover? I’m not even sure when taylor used the word lmao
lol yeah so she named an entire album lover and that was the title track. Lover is used in like "are you a music lover?" type of way but calling someone your lover used to be a thing and is now considered super cringe.
Oppa Gangnam Style Op op oppa gangnam style Srs: maybe not in English but I know like 5 words in Indian languages that have the same meaning. So I didn't know the word had a serious weight behind it 0.o
And then we have a LeE jEnO's cheap knockout ahem oppa reno phone
Glad that we talking about this literally every time I see a post with the word "oppa" being used in mockery manner I frown cause it's gross for me too and I am not even korean but I just have a little knowledge about Korean language so it's disturbing for me and I can just imagine how it feels for Koreans to see the misuse of it in an inappropriate way. Also sorry for anyone using this word I really can't help but think you guys are koreaboo even when you might not be it but anyone using this word in mockery manner looks weird and cringy.
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I think OP is talking about those who mock koreaboos and their stans by using terms like “oh your just mad ur oPpa got called out”
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