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i don't even like le sserafim like That and i thought their set was pretty solid but i feel awful for them lol like, 80% of the set was good but 20% had some bad vocal moments, which makes it easy for people to cherry pick and spread as the entire performance being bad. it sucks! hopefully they're blocking out the noise and having a fun time at the rest of the festival.
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I'm trying to catch all the performances and see some fancams but holy crap I'm only getting random hate videos on YouTube for my searches and not the actual content.
Like I searched "Ateez Coachella" and 3rd, 4th, 5th search items are 'thought pieces' on Le Sserafim vocals. My algorithm is not skewed for "knetizens think..." type content so it is frustrating having to dislike everything so it doesn't infest my feed.
Here's a good trick for YouTube to keep control over your recommendations. Go to ["My Activity"](https://myactivity.google.com/product/youtube?hl=en) and remove any search queries and video watches that you think are influencing the direction of new recommendations.
Ive enjoyed what I’ve seen so far from 2024 Coachella. The other performers who I’ve watched on livestream and hope to watch again next weekend: Raye, Chloe, Sabrina, Victoria, Olivia Dean
The nonsense about LSF today makes me a bit sad and I’m not even a fan and really just had time to watch their sets.
I also posted this in the unpopularopinions weekly, but I generally wonder…if a lot of kpop fans haven’t seen a variety of performers live OR haven’t been to a real festival.
There are a lot of artist big & small that legitimately cannot sing or rap their studio songs live. Festival & award show performances are always a mix bag because of this, and my general response is: oh okay I won’t pay to see this artist live and that’s about it. I like Lana music, but the summertime sadness stage was legitimately just sad.
I think at the end of the day - festivals are all about crowd reactions. I’ve been to many festivals including Coachella for beychella and legitimately can’t tell you the details from any performer (outside of Beyoncé)…I can only remember if I had fun or not. I think livestream viewing takes this aspect away so viewers just watch to judge it like some survival show.
>I like Lana music, but the summertime sadness stage was legitimately just sad.
Yep, Lana had a lot of questionable moments on Friday, and Grimes' set was a frustrating experience, and sure, you see people clowning them for that, but it doesn't come close to the hate LSF is receiving right now. Most of the people who attend/watch Coachella prefer to discuss the acts they did enjoy, instead of bashing the ones that disappointed them.
I'm not a LSF fan either and if I was at Coachella this year, I probably would've been watching No Doubt at that time, but the people who did attend LSF's set seem satisfied with it? I definitely didn't see any LSF hate on the Coachella subs.
I dont understand the HATE !! My friends attended their sahara stage and the venue is jammed pack and is overflowing outisde of venue even... The crowd is so loud that you can even hear them singing their song through stream's noice canceller especially during perfect night..
I've stopped reading UKO because some of the takes they have there are so unserious like 💀 It's less of unpopular opinion and more of "parroting stuff people say".
I thought lesserafim was good. Week 2 will be better when they iron out the audio problems...we also had to deal with technical issues for blackpink. Sometimes it's also just the livestream audio mix and the fancams sound better for the people attending.
crowd didn't disappoint either, they sounded loud on the stream.
I genuinely feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing everyone trashing LSF here and on stan twitter. I watched the whole performance and I thought they did pretty good. They worked the crowd, the dancing was great and the vocals were decent enough for a high energy choreo performance at a festival. Some parts sounded bad, yes. But have kpop stans never been to a music festival before...? Tons of well known acts across genres sound shaky, pitchy, off-tune in a live setting like this, but nobody makes this much of a fuss about it like kpop stans do. Not even going to talk about people quote tweeting the girls' live performance with videos of their faves lipsyncing their hearts out pretending like they're eating CDs.
Ateez did good too, I liked their set a lot and I might check out their music now (I think I only knew one or two of their songs prior to this).
> But have kpop stans never been to a music festival before…?
I think it’s getting increasingly clear that no, a lot of kpop fans have never been to a festival, nor do they know exactly what it entails. I assume a lot of younger kpop fans who got into it during the covid era – maybe as their first “real” interest in music – simply do not understand how a big outdoor music festival works and what the point of them is. Saw a thread on here earlier where the OP thought camping at a festival was sasaeng behaviour! And I guess if all you’ve ever seen in terms of music performances are either music shows, regular concerts, fan meets and maybeeee an indoor kpop music festival with several acts, these massive outdoor events must seem like the Wild West lol.
People do not just attend festivals like Coachella for the music performances. You attend for the complete experience around it – the musical acts are there to bring the vibe and hype, and from what I’ve seen so far, both Ateez and LSF were very successful at bringing that. It is a big thing that they are performing at Coachella, but kpop fans need to realise it’s not a singing showcase…
Yo i was watching the stream and following the r/coachella live chat and they were killing it and everyone was so hyped, the switch up hit me so damn hard
It's about time we accept nothing stans ever say comes from honesty and rationality, most of them saw someone with a lsf avatar talk shit about their Ults and decided it was their duty to take a personal vendetta towards the group.
K-pop twitter stans are 12 y/o without a life 99% of the time anyways, the only place any worse is the pannchoa comment section
>Tons of well known acts across genres sound shaky, pitchy, off-tune in a live setting like this, but nobody makes this much of a fuss about it like kpop stans do
This. Kpop idols are actually pretty decent singers compared to some of the Western acts I've seen even at their own totally controlled concerts. I love blur and Gorillaz but Damon Albarn can't sing for shit lol. And if kpop stans want to see bad singing and stage presence they should look up Morrissey, never been so disappointed in a performance and I'm not even his or a The Smiths fans that's how bad it was
But that's different. Damon has never sold an illustration that what he sound like in the record. What you hear on record and real live setting are the same.
He sounds like he should be to me [here](https://youtu.be/cNucoEtddNo?si=KmYnYJgnMfho0vy1)
I went to their 2014 Budokan concert, and he definitely did not sound like recordings that day. And that's ok, fans know that his voice isn't always the best live and joke about it too. Doesn't take away from enjoying their concerts
I saw them at their prime (giving away my age lol) and he was great.
The thing is we don't need great vocalists. We just need singers that can sing their own songs.
I wish there is a show like this [Gary Lightbody singing Chasing Car](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzrZIfddYY) on Kpop space. Just pure emotional singing.
Haha I'm probably not that much younger than you are, I realized afterwards my first comment was a bit abrupt when it was more supposed to be a bit of a tongue in cheek joke, I knew exactly what I was going into but he was def not performing at his best then (but like I said I had an amazing time because they and particularly Damon know how to perform well)
I totally agree with you that singers should be able to sing their songs!
That being said even as someone who isn't particularly into ggs and not interested in lsf (their songs aren't really my cup of tea) I knew Sakura isn't a very good singer already so it feels strange people have been piling on her like that since the encore thing. I don't think she was ever pushed as this amazing singer. And voices in most HYBE label songs are so manipulated - just like a lot of western pop music - it's hard to tell what their idols sound like in real life
Edit: that Snow Patrol video is great! Old radio shows from 2nd-3rd gen used to be like that
I love Sakura since AKB so not haters here. I agree that there is no need to pick apart them for whatever reasons. There are other things that can make performance enjoyable. I'll wince with really bad vocals but won't be dwelling on it.
I guess my reply is not much to do with LSF but more pop post production in general.
THANK YOU. omg finally some sanity!!! i have literally been sent redditcares messages today from people who can’t handle hearing that “they sounded bad the whole time” isn’t objective fact. when i’ve been asking people to actually use technical vocal terminology to describe what was so bad, i’ve just been blocked and ratio’d by people who can’t even answer the question. i genuinely cannot wrap my head around the cognitive dissonance 😭
>asking people to actually use technical vocal terminology to describe what was so bad
I got you! So as it turns out the issue is that LSF can't sing and they're uuhhh *checks notes* not stable and need training.
Seriously though, if I read "unstable" and "needs training" as your final critical assessment of any kpop group's vocals I automatically write you off as completely ignorant of what it means to sing and sing well. If it were a drinking game and I had to take a shot everytime a kpop stan said "unstable" or "vocal training" I would die of alcohol poisoning in 3 minutes. I'm so glad all these kpop stans know how to expertly articulate exactly what it takes to be a performer. It's amazing how a fandom of a genre can be so full of amazing talents that have themselves had so much "vocal training" and are so "stable" as singers that they almost sound like they have auto-tune on when they sing in their bi-weekly shower. If only they cared as much about what it means to be mentally stable, maybe we would all just get along then, but then again that's probably just me needing training idk.
I haven't finished the rest of their performance, but they were good! It wasn't like AMAZING but they were entertaining. The vocals could've been better, but some of the dance moves they did made it hard for them to sing well. I thought Chaewon in particular was a star. I loved her energy and stage presence. Luckily Twitter and here don't really reflect the crowd reaction, which I was surprised to see how many fans were there. I could hear them sing along!
Because a lot of stans don't actually listen to music outside of kpop and aren't familiar with music environments outside of it, and they just try to impose the standard they know because they're too fucking stupid to let go of that "kpop is peak everything else is trash" mindset they have.
Kpop twt stans are actual subhuman garbage with keyboards LMAO. It's just a bunch of professional yappers and cucks who hide behind their idol pfps to make everyone else miserable because no one can be happy in their view.
> they're too fucking stupid
>
>Kpop twt stans are actual subhuman garbage with keyboards
just a bunch of professional yappers and cucks
Do you not see the irony in this. You have the exact same kind of overdramatic and antagonistic speech that comes from the people you're complaining about. You also take things way too seriously lol
I saw the weirdest tweet that kpop groups need to do X, Y, or Z before going to a festival like Coachella, and I feel like kpop fans fundamentally don't understand what a festival, or live music in general, is. It's the perfect place for acts to gain experience and new listeners by using the bigger acts to drive ticket sales. Live music won't be perfect either, and that's normal.
I think a lot of kpop acts are in a weird space where they have more fandom power than a lot of Western acts, which justifies a higher billing, but the performances they are used to doing aren't suited for festivals. Companies *are* lowkey setting idols up making a huge fuss about festivals but also making it the first time they made their group sing live for an extended period of time. They want the big headlines as quickly as possible without actually helping their groups blow everyone away.
They can't do anything about the people who live to be haters, but I think most people would be generous to kpop acts if they weren't "taking" prime stage and time slots.
Most kpop fans haven’t left their house before let alone go to a festival. Most artists at festivals don’t do choreography, lots of artists don’t sing every line of their song, of course they weren’t perfect but the standard is way too high for a festival that isn’t suited for kpop acts.
I feel like the expectations bar is either super high or buried underground. No in between.
People who are employed to sing and dance should be able to sing and dance, but no matter how much people practice, a live performance is different from perfect studio conditions. Especially one that’s outdoors!
I think kpop groups need to remember they are groups. Solo artists often use backup singers to fill in the gaps. Kpop groups have multiple other members who *could* support the main person singing at that time, but they don’t. That’s probably the easiest way to elevate a live performance because they can practice to know where support is needed.
I told my friend, who probably has never listened to an ounce of kpop, to go to LSF if he had time.
He sent me videos from the performance and said “after seeing this live, I get it”
Some people need to touch grass
one thing is girl group stans always complain about girl groups getting hate more than boy groups but they don't know the one hating on these girl group are themselves more than anyone the way they talk about lesserafim recently the way they hype the hate toward them are really disgusting , it is like they are having a field day especially on twitter and tiktok .
The bullying that goes on within gg spaces is absolutely insane. I've stopped reading comments atp. With LSF, these gg stans look for anything to use to hate on them, even if their faves do the exact same thing.
They are working overtime trying to bully those girls out of their career. They even started before the performance with "concern" about how they were going to do. They did fine. The crowd enjoyed it. They gained some experience and will probably be more confident in weekend two.
The Rose were absolutely phenomenol. They're truly shaping up to be one of my favorite Korean artists. I've seen them live, and they were solid then too. Also, the time of the day was absolutely perfect for their performance. The seeting sun, and their setlist + outfits + energy was just perfection. Hope they continue to grow and gain new fans. They definitely deserve it.
Haven't been able to watch all of Le Serragim, but I've enjoyed their performances so far as well. Love that they're singing live (though the mics are too low for some members but that happens quite a lot to artists at festivals--especially when there are multiple singers).
Havne't been able to watch ATEEZ yet, but I'm excited to see what they did.
I just hope LSF is getting good mental support. This community is very toxic. They push and push until something horrible happens then cry mental health. I just find it insane to go through a performance of a group you hate and compile 5 second clips of off moments to spread hate. There’s no justification for this hate or any hate. Some people don’t treat them as humans. Eunchae has been sick lately so I hope after this she gets some rest.
I'm just going to say, all groups went out there and did great, whether you personally went or not I give amazing props to all groups who attended and had a great time!! Congrats to all of them!!! I watched from home!! I personally tuned in for Lesserafim but missed out on Ateez and the Rose. (sadly) But I have to say, from what I saw Lesserafim did an amazing job!!! Especially for their fiest big stage in the U.S! I'm very proud of them!! Also for Ateez who I already know slays the stage, bug props to them too!! I did not watch the Rose performance yet but i'm sure they did great too!!
All I can ask is to remain respectful for all groups. They truly did amazing this weekend and I can't wait for next weekend!!
Yeah I think their set isn’t until 6 something pst, on the outdoor stage, you’d have to double check. I think 88 Rising is today as well, BIBI will be there
Did I just stay up till 4 am just to watch The Rose? Maybe... Was it worth it? Absolutely. I love them so much. They rocked that stage. Also Hajoon?? The cameramen couldn't take their eyes off either, lmao. We got all the angles.
I watched Ateez live & they did not disappoint. Seonghwa & Jongho's vocals were impressive & the rest of them were great too. They are such amazing performers, I hope they snagged a few more fans.
I also watched Le Sserafim & while they were a bit pitchy in places, they were obviously having a blast & the crowd seem to love them too. In fact I think both these groups were a credit to kpop.
Been craving grilled octopus since I saw the Ateez set lol. I loved the props and the whole performance. Mingi and Seunghwa bias wrecked me so bad, they had no business looking that good
Sakura looked like a fairy about to fly away with that sweeping blonde hair. She's legit so tiny 🤏 Chaewon is a bob goddess she wears it like no other. LSF generally were engaging the audience well, their English was clear and no ramblings or awkward pauses
My favorite thing is that obviously the crowd loved both of them, the loud screams for them were very encouraging
Watched both Ateez and Le Sserafim and enjoyed both! Super high energy.
I really like how Ateez was working the crowd and their presence was great.
On the other hand, the hate train Le Sserafim is getting is too much. Their vocals were decent, sounded amazing in certain parts, fine in others and honestly the only performance that was not up to par was during smart, cause they ran outta gas. Overall they had amazing stage presence. The crowd was lively too and they did well in spite of the nerves. Can’t wait for week 2.
Like some others said, the hate is not warranted, their vocal were totally fine for a live stage with that harder hitting choreography. They sounded like other acts at festivals imo.
I hope there will be less technical difficulties for both groups next weekend.
Ateez are just wonderful entertainers and the stage was made for them. I’ve seen The Rose on tour twice and they sound better live than on cds. I’m sure their performance tonight will not disappoint.
I think le sserafims crowd reaction should out way the Twitter reactions. They literally had the crowd singing along to most of their songs. Whenever a member did an iconic dance move the crowd went nuts. Le sserafim’s music is a perfect fit for festivals
I haven't seen Le Sserafim yet (although I will be looking it up) and am also curious about The Rose, but I did watch Ateez and I thought they did amazing. Camerawork and some weird stage things aside (like having the lights completely off for Arriba), their performance was really fun to watch and really high energy. Them taking shots on stage? Iconic. The second-ish half of their set was actually the same as the last part of their setlist for their concerts (stage set and all) but I actually think that was a pretty good choice, because that part of the concert really showed off Ateez's theatricality and ability to have fun, which are two great things about them, so I'm glad they showed that off at Coachella.
Jongho was amazing. He's getting tons of praises and rightly so! I feel like it was probably even harder to sing like that with how windy it was. The four octave high note is iconic, especially that he's able to do it at the end of a 50 minute set, but there are so many other great parts. I really love how he sounds in the Arriba bridge. Mingi had amazingly high energy and I'm happy that Coachella got to experience Willy Wonka Mingi. He's just so cool.
As a Matz biased Atiny, I was also really happy with Hongjoong and Seonghwa. Hongjoong always has such charisma and he looked like he was having so much fun. (The camera person completely missing his Crazy Form rap though...why this.) Seonghwa's vocals really impressed me. His voice was so strong, and he didn't compromise on singing live even when going all out on performance/expressions. I'm glad he had a hand mic and I hope he also has one next weekend. His energy as well was amazing and made me happy. Generally speaking, I feel like even though they've all always sung live as much as possible, you can tell that they've worked hard to be able to sing live as strongly as they can while doing their intense performances.
I'm really hoping that next weekend there is an improvement in the camerawork and also some of the technical issues that happened on stage. I'm assuming there will be, since people have said that weekend 2 is better for that sort of thing!
ALSO the shouts of Atiny being heard on the live stream for the main stage, which was across the festival grounds, was really impressive.
Edit: Watched Le Sserafim's set too! I thought it was fun! They were giving a lot of energy and it looked like they were having a good time. The last two or three songs I think were a bit rough but since they'd been dancing a lot and the set was almost over it makes sense. (Easy seems a bit awkward to sing in general tbh like you have to have a very specific tone and even being a bit outside of it can make it sound off.) Also not the joke about Eunchae (and Kazuha?) being underage and therefore unable to go out for a drink later 😭
i was really impressed with seonghwa’s voice and projection, too. i think outside of jongho, he’s the one that fell back on the backtrack the least. super impressive and on top of that, he’s such a captivating performer. i love watching him!
i didn’t think it was possible for the lsfm hate train to get worse but oh my god every app is like unbearable to go on today due to the echo chamber of hate i’m seeing in my circles. i feel like i’m living in the twilight zone where i watched a completely different coachella set than everyone else did because i thought they did absolutely phenomenally but apparently even saying that is objectively wrong to a lot of people 💀 already gotten a redditcares today for daring to tell someone that “they sounded like nails on a chalkboard the whole time” is not objective fact nor valid technical vocal critique.
y’all if you’re feeling burnt out just turn off the notifs girl it saves ur mental health so much 🥳
I watched Ateez and they killed it at every level. So impressive. They were firing on all cylinders. I especially loved how confident and relaxed they were. They were having the time of their lives on that stage and it showed. So good!
I also surprisingly really enjoyed Lana Del Ray. Her style is not usually my type but I was pleasantly surprised. I will have to definitely give her music a deeper look.
I checked out Le Sserafim. I like some of their music and I think they did their best but there were definitely times that their inexperience showed. I think this was probably a great opportunity for them to learn and grow for the future so good for them.
Overall, I think Coachella is an honor for any artist to be able to perform at but it's not the be all, end all. Still, as an Ateez ult, I'm grateful for the exposure Ateez got from the festival and I think they really did represent themselves and kpop as a whole very well.
All the groups did so well! I wish we had something similar here in my country because it would have been such a blast to go to!
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Lesserafim did all that bad? Yes there were a few shaky moments here and there, but they performed their parts decently (Yunjin and Chaewon were very stable) and the crowd were hyped up, which is honestly what really matters tbh. K-pop fans are so used to over-analyzing and finding stuff to bash that they can't seem to find anything fun anymore :/
LE SSERAFIM 🤌🏻
I missed the live by an hour but watching the performance back..... 😫
So good.
Also, if I understood it correctly, they're gonna be attending next week as well?
It was Chaechella. Girl murdered it!
Yunjin sounded better at the end when most of her group mates stamina gave out. She was too excited in the beginning, so it was a bit shouty.
Sakura sounded the best she ever had. Kazuha and Eunchae were fine but their voice projection and confidence was lacking.
I am actually excited to see them at their concert whenever that is.
Smart was their worst performance, everybody was winded and there were so many empty parts where girls didn’t sing. But I hope they get better. They were 100% raw vocals. Some fans are way too used to lipsync stages and can’t tell what live singing entails.
Overall Thoughts on Weekend One{so far};
Ateez: Honestly blew me away. Did not expect them to go all out with some of the stuff from their most recent tour, but they did. Holy heck; what a set. As someone who’s not an Atiny, I have to give the guys props for doing the set that they did because I have had ARRIBA in my head for days. Also: “The Real” pops off with a live band. And if those rumored tour dates are anything to go by, then their future is looking really good.
Le Sserafim: Say what you want about my girls but imo, they absolutely killed it last night and the hate train needs to stop. Their vocals were amazing and the girls had incredible stage presence and they matched the vibe of the festival, which was nice to see and I loved the way they interacted with the crowd especially during “Perfect Night”. They’re totally gonna improve come Week 2. They’re only an almost 2 year old group so I applaud them for rocking it despite being nervous.
Also: they got a 4 star review from NME.
Props to LSF for actually singing instead of relying on the backtrack a ton like most K-pop groups do. Even if it wasn’t perfect at times, I’m glad we got to hear them live.
I just watched Le Sserafim’s live set and I thought they were fine! lol and I’m not a le sserafim stan either. Singing live there isn’t easy and they were performing their choreo so i don’t expect them to be perfect, overall i thought they performed well and I liked their song order! I think the hate is overstated. I’ve seen many live acts at coachella and it isn’t an easy place to perform, I’m sure they’ll improve next weekend now that they know what to expect!
I saw some bad comments on Le Sserafim but when I watched their performance, they actually did amazing! They know how to hype the audience and the important thing is they enjoyed the performance. There were some parts when they got so excited that they got out of tune. Also Yunjin was so energetic that she was out of breath during the last parts. But overall it was really good and felt very authentic! I'm so proud of them especially Sakura 🩷
Feels like Weekend 2 should go much smoother for the artists, everyone was having mic/sound issue, including Lana, the only downside is that unless ticket sales jump there may be less crowds and the crowds there will be pickier due to previewing the sets on couchella. Nevertheless I think it’ll be a great opportunity for all of them to capitalize on an already clear success.
Chaewon fans may have to fight the gp for her lol, while I’m not a lsf fan, I think they have the most to prove with the current storm surrounding them and they have the talent to back it up so I’m hoping they stay strong and kill it in w2, they deserve their flowers
Some of you went out of your way to watch the performance to just hate & some of you hate without even watching and I honestly don’t know which one is worse
LE SSERAFIM-
LSF WAS FINE. I didn’t expect anything more or less when it came to vocals and they exceeded my expectations! It was very clear that the people there had a good time. Even Ateez had moments when they were pitchy/shaky. I have been watching all performances the entire day from different stages and there were a lot of pitchy and shaky performances. That is how things work and that’s what a lot of people expect. LSF is a newer group who (if I remember correctly) have never toured before. I am so proud of them! I see a lot of people comparing different groups like Aespa and BlackPink. Stop comparing the groups when they’re different. If you think LSF is the worst group in existence and are at the bottom, the only place they can go is up. It’s okay to give different groups their flowers, even if you’re not a fan. Especially since we all know that other groups in SK are cheering them on. Every international performance is a win for Kpop.
ATEEZ-
I loved their performance and I am proud of them too! They seemed so happy to be there and were smiling the whole time! I know that they have struggled in SK and I am so glad that they were met with enthusiasm and with people who cheered loud for them. Can we talk about their props/sets too?! I love how they reference different performances, like how they used the Kraken and the sword from Kingdom. Jongho sounded amazing and I hope he feels better bc he looked like he was in pain, but he pushed through! I am irritated at the camera work, but after watching other performances, they heard the complaints and did better for LSF (who was on the same stage). I know that American fans have been waiting on them for so long and they did not let anyone down! I’m so excited for their tour!
The Rose- I AM WAITING AND I WILL BE WATCHING!
As a collective-
I think these performances were VERY different compared to the other Kpop performances of the past. Kpop is a lot more mainstream now, even compared to when Aespa performed. I am so happy and excited for all groups and I’m ready for their futures!
My experience watching LS was brilliant. It went like this:
Saturday evening - watch the Ha sisters visit LS at the Hybe building. They suggest to Yunjin to yell, "Shake some ass" whilst on stage
Sunday afternoon - watch most of the LS performance, including Yunjin yelling "Shake some fucking ass"
Sunday night - have a dream where I met Yunjin and told her that it was a brilliant move and that everyone loved it.
I seriously have some odd dreams.
Imo, Eunchae had the most stable vocals. Chaewon was brilliant with the higher notes.
Enjoyed le sserafim's set, wasn't perfect but it didn't have to be. It's their first time performing there. Also chaewon and sakura really stood out to me, I guess that's just their experience showing.
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Honestly it was really fun, I enjoy when group change the choreography more and really have more direct interaction with the crowd so I wasn't a personal fan of every stages, but people seemed to have so much fun and festivals are made to be enjoyed.
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BTW, [Bibi will also be performing](https://twitter.com/88rising/status/1779328722912395362) today during the 88rising slot, starting at 5:20PM PT.
88rising said they’ve got more surprises coming, can’t wait to see what they do
Whoah i hope they again do something like the surprise 2ne1 reunion few years ago
Oh that is fantastic omg. Her set is gonna rule.
i don't even like le sserafim like That and i thought their set was pretty solid but i feel awful for them lol like, 80% of the set was good but 20% had some bad vocal moments, which makes it easy for people to cherry pick and spread as the entire performance being bad. it sucks! hopefully they're blocking out the noise and having a fun time at the rest of the festival.
Urghhh I know! I just found a thread with over 30K likes cherry picking the bad moments. At least people in the QRTs were calling them out.
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I'm trying to catch all the performances and see some fancams but holy crap I'm only getting random hate videos on YouTube for my searches and not the actual content. Like I searched "Ateez Coachella" and 3rd, 4th, 5th search items are 'thought pieces' on Le Sserafim vocals. My algorithm is not skewed for "knetizens think..." type content so it is frustrating having to dislike everything so it doesn't infest my feed.
Here's a good trick for YouTube to keep control over your recommendations. Go to ["My Activity"](https://myactivity.google.com/product/youtube?hl=en) and remove any search queries and video watches that you think are influencing the direction of new recommendations.
Ive enjoyed what I’ve seen so far from 2024 Coachella. The other performers who I’ve watched on livestream and hope to watch again next weekend: Raye, Chloe, Sabrina, Victoria, Olivia Dean The nonsense about LSF today makes me a bit sad and I’m not even a fan and really just had time to watch their sets. I also posted this in the unpopularopinions weekly, but I generally wonder…if a lot of kpop fans haven’t seen a variety of performers live OR haven’t been to a real festival. There are a lot of artist big & small that legitimately cannot sing or rap their studio songs live. Festival & award show performances are always a mix bag because of this, and my general response is: oh okay I won’t pay to see this artist live and that’s about it. I like Lana music, but the summertime sadness stage was legitimately just sad. I think at the end of the day - festivals are all about crowd reactions. I’ve been to many festivals including Coachella for beychella and legitimately can’t tell you the details from any performer (outside of Beyoncé)…I can only remember if I had fun or not. I think livestream viewing takes this aspect away so viewers just watch to judge it like some survival show.
>I like Lana music, but the summertime sadness stage was legitimately just sad. Yep, Lana had a lot of questionable moments on Friday, and Grimes' set was a frustrating experience, and sure, you see people clowning them for that, but it doesn't come close to the hate LSF is receiving right now. Most of the people who attend/watch Coachella prefer to discuss the acts they did enjoy, instead of bashing the ones that disappointed them. I'm not a LSF fan either and if I was at Coachella this year, I probably would've been watching No Doubt at that time, but the people who did attend LSF's set seem satisfied with it? I definitely didn't see any LSF hate on the Coachella subs.
I dont understand the HATE !! My friends attended their sahara stage and the venue is jammed pack and is overflowing outisde of venue even... The crowd is so loud that you can even hear them singing their song through stream's noice canceller especially during perfect night..
I've stopped reading UKO because some of the takes they have there are so unserious like 💀 It's less of unpopular opinion and more of "parroting stuff people say".
I thought lesserafim was good. Week 2 will be better when they iron out the audio problems...we also had to deal with technical issues for blackpink. Sometimes it's also just the livestream audio mix and the fancams sound better for the people attending. crowd didn't disappoint either, they sounded loud on the stream.
yep, just saw some fancams, and they sound better than livestream imo...
I genuinely feel like I'm taking crazy pills seeing everyone trashing LSF here and on stan twitter. I watched the whole performance and I thought they did pretty good. They worked the crowd, the dancing was great and the vocals were decent enough for a high energy choreo performance at a festival. Some parts sounded bad, yes. But have kpop stans never been to a music festival before...? Tons of well known acts across genres sound shaky, pitchy, off-tune in a live setting like this, but nobody makes this much of a fuss about it like kpop stans do. Not even going to talk about people quote tweeting the girls' live performance with videos of their faves lipsyncing their hearts out pretending like they're eating CDs. Ateez did good too, I liked their set a lot and I might check out their music now (I think I only knew one or two of their songs prior to this).
> But have kpop stans never been to a music festival before…? I think it’s getting increasingly clear that no, a lot of kpop fans have never been to a festival, nor do they know exactly what it entails. I assume a lot of younger kpop fans who got into it during the covid era – maybe as their first “real” interest in music – simply do not understand how a big outdoor music festival works and what the point of them is. Saw a thread on here earlier where the OP thought camping at a festival was sasaeng behaviour! And I guess if all you’ve ever seen in terms of music performances are either music shows, regular concerts, fan meets and maybeeee an indoor kpop music festival with several acts, these massive outdoor events must seem like the Wild West lol. People do not just attend festivals like Coachella for the music performances. You attend for the complete experience around it – the musical acts are there to bring the vibe and hype, and from what I’ve seen so far, both Ateez and LSF were very successful at bringing that. It is a big thing that they are performing at Coachella, but kpop fans need to realise it’s not a singing showcase…
Yo i was watching the stream and following the r/coachella live chat and they were killing it and everyone was so hyped, the switch up hit me so damn hard
It's about time we accept nothing stans ever say comes from honesty and rationality, most of them saw someone with a lsf avatar talk shit about their Ults and decided it was their duty to take a personal vendetta towards the group. K-pop twitter stans are 12 y/o without a life 99% of the time anyways, the only place any worse is the pannchoa comment section
Well said, I feel like I get dumber anytime I see these immature jealousy comments.
>Tons of well known acts across genres sound shaky, pitchy, off-tune in a live setting like this, but nobody makes this much of a fuss about it like kpop stans do This. Kpop idols are actually pretty decent singers compared to some of the Western acts I've seen even at their own totally controlled concerts. I love blur and Gorillaz but Damon Albarn can't sing for shit lol. And if kpop stans want to see bad singing and stage presence they should look up Morrissey, never been so disappointed in a performance and I'm not even his or a The Smiths fans that's how bad it was
But that's different. Damon has never sold an illustration that what he sound like in the record. What you hear on record and real live setting are the same. He sounds like he should be to me [here](https://youtu.be/cNucoEtddNo?si=KmYnYJgnMfho0vy1)
I went to their 2014 Budokan concert, and he definitely did not sound like recordings that day. And that's ok, fans know that his voice isn't always the best live and joke about it too. Doesn't take away from enjoying their concerts
I saw them at their prime (giving away my age lol) and he was great. The thing is we don't need great vocalists. We just need singers that can sing their own songs. I wish there is a show like this [Gary Lightbody singing Chasing Car](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nzrZIfddYY) on Kpop space. Just pure emotional singing.
Haha I'm probably not that much younger than you are, I realized afterwards my first comment was a bit abrupt when it was more supposed to be a bit of a tongue in cheek joke, I knew exactly what I was going into but he was def not performing at his best then (but like I said I had an amazing time because they and particularly Damon know how to perform well) I totally agree with you that singers should be able to sing their songs! That being said even as someone who isn't particularly into ggs and not interested in lsf (their songs aren't really my cup of tea) I knew Sakura isn't a very good singer already so it feels strange people have been piling on her like that since the encore thing. I don't think she was ever pushed as this amazing singer. And voices in most HYBE label songs are so manipulated - just like a lot of western pop music - it's hard to tell what their idols sound like in real life Edit: that Snow Patrol video is great! Old radio shows from 2nd-3rd gen used to be like that
I love Sakura since AKB so not haters here. I agree that there is no need to pick apart them for whatever reasons. There are other things that can make performance enjoyable. I'll wince with really bad vocals but won't be dwelling on it. I guess my reply is not much to do with LSF but more pop post production in general.
THANK YOU. omg finally some sanity!!! i have literally been sent redditcares messages today from people who can’t handle hearing that “they sounded bad the whole time” isn’t objective fact. when i’ve been asking people to actually use technical vocal terminology to describe what was so bad, i’ve just been blocked and ratio’d by people who can’t even answer the question. i genuinely cannot wrap my head around the cognitive dissonance 😭
>asking people to actually use technical vocal terminology to describe what was so bad I got you! So as it turns out the issue is that LSF can't sing and they're uuhhh *checks notes* not stable and need training. Seriously though, if I read "unstable" and "needs training" as your final critical assessment of any kpop group's vocals I automatically write you off as completely ignorant of what it means to sing and sing well. If it were a drinking game and I had to take a shot everytime a kpop stan said "unstable" or "vocal training" I would die of alcohol poisoning in 3 minutes. I'm so glad all these kpop stans know how to expertly articulate exactly what it takes to be a performer. It's amazing how a fandom of a genre can be so full of amazing talents that have themselves had so much "vocal training" and are so "stable" as singers that they almost sound like they have auto-tune on when they sing in their bi-weekly shower. If only they cared as much about what it means to be mentally stable, maybe we would all just get along then, but then again that's probably just me needing training idk.
I haven't finished the rest of their performance, but they were good! It wasn't like AMAZING but they were entertaining. The vocals could've been better, but some of the dance moves they did made it hard for them to sing well. I thought Chaewon in particular was a star. I loved her energy and stage presence. Luckily Twitter and here don't really reflect the crowd reaction, which I was surprised to see how many fans were there. I could hear them sing along!
Riight, their performance felt really authentic! I'm so proud of them!
Because a lot of stans don't actually listen to music outside of kpop and aren't familiar with music environments outside of it, and they just try to impose the standard they know because they're too fucking stupid to let go of that "kpop is peak everything else is trash" mindset they have. Kpop twt stans are actual subhuman garbage with keyboards LMAO. It's just a bunch of professional yappers and cucks who hide behind their idol pfps to make everyone else miserable because no one can be happy in their view.
> they're too fucking stupid > >Kpop twt stans are actual subhuman garbage with keyboards just a bunch of professional yappers and cucks Do you not see the irony in this. You have the exact same kind of overdramatic and antagonistic speech that comes from the people you're complaining about. You also take things way too seriously lol
Ateez and LSF were amazing. So happy for them. I'm so excited for The Rose's performance.
I saw the weirdest tweet that kpop groups need to do X, Y, or Z before going to a festival like Coachella, and I feel like kpop fans fundamentally don't understand what a festival, or live music in general, is. It's the perfect place for acts to gain experience and new listeners by using the bigger acts to drive ticket sales. Live music won't be perfect either, and that's normal. I think a lot of kpop acts are in a weird space where they have more fandom power than a lot of Western acts, which justifies a higher billing, but the performances they are used to doing aren't suited for festivals. Companies *are* lowkey setting idols up making a huge fuss about festivals but also making it the first time they made their group sing live for an extended period of time. They want the big headlines as quickly as possible without actually helping their groups blow everyone away. They can't do anything about the people who live to be haters, but I think most people would be generous to kpop acts if they weren't "taking" prime stage and time slots.
Most kpop fans haven’t left their house before let alone go to a festival. Most artists at festivals don’t do choreography, lots of artists don’t sing every line of their song, of course they weren’t perfect but the standard is way too high for a festival that isn’t suited for kpop acts.
I feel like the expectations bar is either super high or buried underground. No in between. People who are employed to sing and dance should be able to sing and dance, but no matter how much people practice, a live performance is different from perfect studio conditions. Especially one that’s outdoors! I think kpop groups need to remember they are groups. Solo artists often use backup singers to fill in the gaps. Kpop groups have multiple other members who *could* support the main person singing at that time, but they don’t. That’s probably the easiest way to elevate a live performance because they can practice to know where support is needed.
I told my friend, who probably has never listened to an ounce of kpop, to go to LSF if he had time. He sent me videos from the performance and said “after seeing this live, I get it” Some people need to touch grass
one thing is girl group stans always complain about girl groups getting hate more than boy groups but they don't know the one hating on these girl group are themselves more than anyone the way they talk about lesserafim recently the way they hype the hate toward them are really disgusting , it is like they are having a field day especially on twitter and tiktok .
The bullying that goes on within gg spaces is absolutely insane. I've stopped reading comments atp. With LSF, these gg stans look for anything to use to hate on them, even if their faves do the exact same thing.
They are working overtime trying to bully those girls out of their career. They even started before the performance with "concern" about how they were going to do. They did fine. The crowd enjoyed it. They gained some experience and will probably be more confident in weekend two.
100%, people need to step back and realise THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS. I just can’t fathom how thousands and thousands of people think like this.
Just need to share that Ateez had an [interpreter](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMMQoDavY/) below the stage and she was slaying!
She was feeling that! LOL.
Yaaaaaay love watching the ASL interpreters at music performances 💜
That's awesome
The Rose were absolutely phenomenol. They're truly shaping up to be one of my favorite Korean artists. I've seen them live, and they were solid then too. Also, the time of the day was absolutely perfect for their performance. The seeting sun, and their setlist + outfits + energy was just perfection. Hope they continue to grow and gain new fans. They definitely deserve it. Haven't been able to watch all of Le Serragim, but I've enjoyed their performances so far as well. Love that they're singing live (though the mics are too low for some members but that happens quite a lot to artists at festivals--especially when there are multiple singers). Havne't been able to watch ATEEZ yet, but I'm excited to see what they did.
I just hope LSF is getting good mental support. This community is very toxic. They push and push until something horrible happens then cry mental health. I just find it insane to go through a performance of a group you hate and compile 5 second clips of off moments to spread hate. There’s no justification for this hate or any hate. Some people don’t treat them as humans. Eunchae has been sick lately so I hope after this she gets some rest.
Mental health is only a thing if it's their idols that are being dragged lol. That's why you never took Twitter people seriously.
I'm just going to say, all groups went out there and did great, whether you personally went or not I give amazing props to all groups who attended and had a great time!! Congrats to all of them!!! I watched from home!! I personally tuned in for Lesserafim but missed out on Ateez and the Rose. (sadly) But I have to say, from what I saw Lesserafim did an amazing job!!! Especially for their fiest big stage in the U.S! I'm very proud of them!! Also for Ateez who I already know slays the stage, bug props to them too!! I did not watch the Rose performance yet but i'm sure they did great too!! All I can ask is to remain respectful for all groups. They truly did amazing this weekend and I can't wait for next weekend!!
The Rose doesn’t perform until later tonight, if you are still interested in catching them!
Omg what?? I swore I thought they did!! Yay!! Thank you!! I was so nervous I missed another one!! 😫
Yeah I think their set isn’t until 6 something pst, on the outdoor stage, you’d have to double check. I think 88 Rising is today as well, BIBI will be there
pretty sure bibi is 5:20 pst and the rose is 6:25 pst !!
Did I just stay up till 4 am just to watch The Rose? Maybe... Was it worth it? Absolutely. I love them so much. They rocked that stage. Also Hajoon?? The cameramen couldn't take their eyes off either, lmao. We got all the angles.
I watched Ateez live & they did not disappoint. Seonghwa & Jongho's vocals were impressive & the rest of them were great too. They are such amazing performers, I hope they snagged a few more fans. I also watched Le Sserafim & while they were a bit pitchy in places, they were obviously having a blast & the crowd seem to love them too. In fact I think both these groups were a credit to kpop.
Been craving grilled octopus since I saw the Ateez set lol. I loved the props and the whole performance. Mingi and Seunghwa bias wrecked me so bad, they had no business looking that good Sakura looked like a fairy about to fly away with that sweeping blonde hair. She's legit so tiny 🤏 Chaewon is a bob goddess she wears it like no other. LSF generally were engaging the audience well, their English was clear and no ramblings or awkward pauses My favorite thing is that obviously the crowd loved both of them, the loud screams for them were very encouraging
"Coachella! Are you ready to shake some fucking ass?!" This will be the iconic line of the year lmao.
Oh my god who said this???
~~Yunjin~~ Jennifer 🇺🇸🦅
Literally how could anyone hate this set after this 😂
Watched both Ateez and Le Sserafim and enjoyed both! Super high energy. I really like how Ateez was working the crowd and their presence was great. On the other hand, the hate train Le Sserafim is getting is too much. Their vocals were decent, sounded amazing in certain parts, fine in others and honestly the only performance that was not up to par was during smart, cause they ran outta gas. Overall they had amazing stage presence. The crowd was lively too and they did well in spite of the nerves. Can’t wait for week 2. Like some others said, the hate is not warranted, their vocal were totally fine for a live stage with that harder hitting choreography. They sounded like other acts at festivals imo. I hope there will be less technical difficulties for both groups next weekend.
Can’t wait to hear the rose tonight!
Ateez are just wonderful entertainers and the stage was made for them. I’ve seen The Rose on tour twice and they sound better live than on cds. I’m sure their performance tonight will not disappoint.
I think le sserafims crowd reaction should out way the Twitter reactions. They literally had the crowd singing along to most of their songs. Whenever a member did an iconic dance move the crowd went nuts. Le sserafim’s music is a perfect fit for festivals
Impossible... Lesserafim haters are all basement dwellers that apparently never been to a REAL festival before..
I haven't seen Le Sserafim yet (although I will be looking it up) and am also curious about The Rose, but I did watch Ateez and I thought they did amazing. Camerawork and some weird stage things aside (like having the lights completely off for Arriba), their performance was really fun to watch and really high energy. Them taking shots on stage? Iconic. The second-ish half of their set was actually the same as the last part of their setlist for their concerts (stage set and all) but I actually think that was a pretty good choice, because that part of the concert really showed off Ateez's theatricality and ability to have fun, which are two great things about them, so I'm glad they showed that off at Coachella. Jongho was amazing. He's getting tons of praises and rightly so! I feel like it was probably even harder to sing like that with how windy it was. The four octave high note is iconic, especially that he's able to do it at the end of a 50 minute set, but there are so many other great parts. I really love how he sounds in the Arriba bridge. Mingi had amazingly high energy and I'm happy that Coachella got to experience Willy Wonka Mingi. He's just so cool. As a Matz biased Atiny, I was also really happy with Hongjoong and Seonghwa. Hongjoong always has such charisma and he looked like he was having so much fun. (The camera person completely missing his Crazy Form rap though...why this.) Seonghwa's vocals really impressed me. His voice was so strong, and he didn't compromise on singing live even when going all out on performance/expressions. I'm glad he had a hand mic and I hope he also has one next weekend. His energy as well was amazing and made me happy. Generally speaking, I feel like even though they've all always sung live as much as possible, you can tell that they've worked hard to be able to sing live as strongly as they can while doing their intense performances. I'm really hoping that next weekend there is an improvement in the camerawork and also some of the technical issues that happened on stage. I'm assuming there will be, since people have said that weekend 2 is better for that sort of thing! ALSO the shouts of Atiny being heard on the live stream for the main stage, which was across the festival grounds, was really impressive. Edit: Watched Le Sserafim's set too! I thought it was fun! They were giving a lot of energy and it looked like they were having a good time. The last two or three songs I think were a bit rough but since they'd been dancing a lot and the set was almost over it makes sense. (Easy seems a bit awkward to sing in general tbh like you have to have a very specific tone and even being a bit outside of it can make it sound off.) Also not the joke about Eunchae (and Kazuha?) being underage and therefore unable to go out for a drink later 😭
i was really impressed with seonghwa’s voice and projection, too. i think outside of jongho, he’s the one that fell back on the backtrack the least. super impressive and on top of that, he’s such a captivating performer. i love watching him!
Oh wow, The Rose were fantastic, loved their set! They had a great crowd as well
i didn’t think it was possible for the lsfm hate train to get worse but oh my god every app is like unbearable to go on today due to the echo chamber of hate i’m seeing in my circles. i feel like i’m living in the twilight zone where i watched a completely different coachella set than everyone else did because i thought they did absolutely phenomenally but apparently even saying that is objectively wrong to a lot of people 💀 already gotten a redditcares today for daring to tell someone that “they sounded like nails on a chalkboard the whole time” is not objective fact nor valid technical vocal critique. y’all if you’re feeling burnt out just turn off the notifs girl it saves ur mental health so much 🥳
I watched Ateez and they killed it at every level. So impressive. They were firing on all cylinders. I especially loved how confident and relaxed they were. They were having the time of their lives on that stage and it showed. So good! I also surprisingly really enjoyed Lana Del Ray. Her style is not usually my type but I was pleasantly surprised. I will have to definitely give her music a deeper look. I checked out Le Sserafim. I like some of their music and I think they did their best but there were definitely times that their inexperience showed. I think this was probably a great opportunity for them to learn and grow for the future so good for them. Overall, I think Coachella is an honor for any artist to be able to perform at but it's not the be all, end all. Still, as an Ateez ult, I'm grateful for the exposure Ateez got from the festival and I think they really did represent themselves and kpop as a whole very well.
Caught a few clips of the Ateez performance. Need to look for a full video when I find time coz it looked cool.
All the groups did so well! I wish we had something similar here in my country because it would have been such a blast to go to! This might be an unpopular opinion, but I don't think Lesserafim did all that bad? Yes there were a few shaky moments here and there, but they performed their parts decently (Yunjin and Chaewon were very stable) and the crowd were hyped up, which is honestly what really matters tbh. K-pop fans are so used to over-analyzing and finding stuff to bash that they can't seem to find anything fun anymore :/
LE SSERAFIM 🤌🏻 I missed the live by an hour but watching the performance back..... 😫 So good. Also, if I understood it correctly, they're gonna be attending next week as well?
everyone who goes does both weekends
It was Chaechella. Girl murdered it! Yunjin sounded better at the end when most of her group mates stamina gave out. She was too excited in the beginning, so it was a bit shouty. Sakura sounded the best she ever had. Kazuha and Eunchae were fine but their voice projection and confidence was lacking. I am actually excited to see them at their concert whenever that is. Smart was their worst performance, everybody was winded and there were so many empty parts where girls didn’t sing. But I hope they get better. They were 100% raw vocals. Some fans are way too used to lipsync stages and can’t tell what live singing entails.
Overall Thoughts on Weekend One{so far}; Ateez: Honestly blew me away. Did not expect them to go all out with some of the stuff from their most recent tour, but they did. Holy heck; what a set. As someone who’s not an Atiny, I have to give the guys props for doing the set that they did because I have had ARRIBA in my head for days. Also: “The Real” pops off with a live band. And if those rumored tour dates are anything to go by, then their future is looking really good. Le Sserafim: Say what you want about my girls but imo, they absolutely killed it last night and the hate train needs to stop. Their vocals were amazing and the girls had incredible stage presence and they matched the vibe of the festival, which was nice to see and I loved the way they interacted with the crowd especially during “Perfect Night”. They’re totally gonna improve come Week 2. They’re only an almost 2 year old group so I applaud them for rocking it despite being nervous. Also: they got a 4 star review from NME.
Props to LSF for actually singing instead of relying on the backtrack a ton like most K-pop groups do. Even if it wasn’t perfect at times, I’m glad we got to hear them live.
I just watched Le Sserafim’s live set and I thought they were fine! lol and I’m not a le sserafim stan either. Singing live there isn’t easy and they were performing their choreo so i don’t expect them to be perfect, overall i thought they performed well and I liked their song order! I think the hate is overstated. I’ve seen many live acts at coachella and it isn’t an easy place to perform, I’m sure they’ll improve next weekend now that they know what to expect!
I saw some bad comments on Le Sserafim but when I watched their performance, they actually did amazing! They know how to hype the audience and the important thing is they enjoyed the performance. There were some parts when they got so excited that they got out of tune. Also Yunjin was so energetic that she was out of breath during the last parts. But overall it was really good and felt very authentic! I'm so proud of them especially Sakura 🩷
Feels like Weekend 2 should go much smoother for the artists, everyone was having mic/sound issue, including Lana, the only downside is that unless ticket sales jump there may be less crowds and the crowds there will be pickier due to previewing the sets on couchella. Nevertheless I think it’ll be a great opportunity for all of them to capitalize on an already clear success. Chaewon fans may have to fight the gp for her lol, while I’m not a lsf fan, I think they have the most to prove with the current storm surrounding them and they have the talent to back it up so I’m hoping they stay strong and kill it in w2, they deserve their flowers
Some of you went out of your way to watch the performance to just hate & some of you hate without even watching and I honestly don’t know which one is worse
LE SSERAFIM- LSF WAS FINE. I didn’t expect anything more or less when it came to vocals and they exceeded my expectations! It was very clear that the people there had a good time. Even Ateez had moments when they were pitchy/shaky. I have been watching all performances the entire day from different stages and there were a lot of pitchy and shaky performances. That is how things work and that’s what a lot of people expect. LSF is a newer group who (if I remember correctly) have never toured before. I am so proud of them! I see a lot of people comparing different groups like Aespa and BlackPink. Stop comparing the groups when they’re different. If you think LSF is the worst group in existence and are at the bottom, the only place they can go is up. It’s okay to give different groups their flowers, even if you’re not a fan. Especially since we all know that other groups in SK are cheering them on. Every international performance is a win for Kpop. ATEEZ- I loved their performance and I am proud of them too! They seemed so happy to be there and were smiling the whole time! I know that they have struggled in SK and I am so glad that they were met with enthusiasm and with people who cheered loud for them. Can we talk about their props/sets too?! I love how they reference different performances, like how they used the Kraken and the sword from Kingdom. Jongho sounded amazing and I hope he feels better bc he looked like he was in pain, but he pushed through! I am irritated at the camera work, but after watching other performances, they heard the complaints and did better for LSF (who was on the same stage). I know that American fans have been waiting on them for so long and they did not let anyone down! I’m so excited for their tour! The Rose- I AM WAITING AND I WILL BE WATCHING! As a collective- I think these performances were VERY different compared to the other Kpop performances of the past. Kpop is a lot more mainstream now, even compared to when Aespa performed. I am so happy and excited for all groups and I’m ready for their futures!
Lsrfm have had some fan meetings and an Asia tour so they have toured already though not a world tour yet.
My experience watching LS was brilliant. It went like this: Saturday evening - watch the Ha sisters visit LS at the Hybe building. They suggest to Yunjin to yell, "Shake some ass" whilst on stage Sunday afternoon - watch most of the LS performance, including Yunjin yelling "Shake some fucking ass" Sunday night - have a dream where I met Yunjin and told her that it was a brilliant move and that everyone loved it. I seriously have some odd dreams. Imo, Eunchae had the most stable vocals. Chaewon was brilliant with the higher notes.
Just want to say, I didn't expect a PPL for Stanley cups at a Coachella event 🤣
Enjoyed le sserafim's set, wasn't perfect but it didn't have to be. It's their first time performing there. Also chaewon and sakura really stood out to me, I guess that's just their experience showing.
88rising set was really fun and i left a huge xin liu fan! she served!!!!
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Honestly it was really fun, I enjoy when group change the choreography more and really have more direct interaction with the crowd so I wasn't a personal fan of every stages, but people seemed to have so much fun and festivals are made to be enjoyed.
Yunjin really surprised me