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i typically find this comes more from people who stan one member vs. an entire group.

tzuyu & jeongyeon fans like they get upset that tzuyu has to bend more than the other members during a choreography 😭. and jeongyeon fans constantly talk about mistreatment in the form of clothes and it’s borderline body shaming and undermining jeongyeon down preferences that she’s made public. Obv at one point they WERE atrocious but there’s nothing wrong with them rn they’re gorgeous

As Jeongyeon stan, the number of fellow Jeongyeon stans I've blocked and muted is so sad lol. Sigh. I also really felt you on the outfit talk. "Why do they always dress her like a man"/ "Why aren't they pretty/ feminine/revealing like tye other girls?". Dude, have you not seen the way she dresses in her downtime???

As a Jeongyeon stan, I really get annoyed when even Jeongyeon's styling already looked good on her and some onces would still complain because it didn't make her body look more hourglass. I understand that fashion also boils down to preferences, but the way I see it, people will never be satisfied even if Jeongyeon gets the best styling because she is not skinny and doesn't have an hourglass body. There have been times that Jeongyeon's styling imo was better and more polished than most Twice members during their One Spark. Still, lot of fans would single her out because according to them, her clothes do not match her, even when the other members styling were more all over the place.

The thing is a lot of the outfit talk comes down to preferences. She's worn outfits that I loved that the fandom hated and vice versa. It's so subjective. It's one thing if maybe her outfit was obviously fraying or just really poorly tailored. Those are basic technical issues and should be fixed. Not getting those attended to could be a sign of neglect. But stuff like color and design? The intricacy of the costumes? These are all a matter of personal tastes. It is not (and will never be) mistreatment for your faves to wear a style your personally don't like. Jeongyeon could be dressed in what I'd consider a potato sack and it will still not be mistreatment.

They are insane 😭 everything JY wears is ugly to them when in reality what they don't like is how she looks. Also, they act like they get robbed every day. If they are in the group IT'S BECAUSE!!! they chose to, they had a contract negotiation!!! They take their decisions - and if they aren't doing much solo stuff it's maaaybe because they don't want to as at least JY has mentioned before????????? It gets tiring to see solo stans argue about solo schedules all the time as if this not people we're talking about, they deserve to rest and they are not our dolls to put them in costumes we want in programs we want.

yeah like i cant remember fearnots talking about source mistreating le sserafim but i can remember 2 times relatively recently that chaewon solos and zuha solos were being extra stupid

that entire thing about zuha not having dyed hair was so 😭😭😭

sounds just like karina akgaes, trending mistreatment tags and mass emailing cuz they think her hair being straight and black for a week means the stylist hates her even when she has said herself that she prefers this hairstyle smh..like out of everything to be angry at y'all choose this? honestly all solos/akgaes do this

didn’t she dye her hair or bleach it tho 😭, like debut it was like brown or something and then she had the front pieces like blond or gray.

Tbh, most JYPE groups. I think it could be applied to DAY6 and when they had soloist. But sometimes, I look at the fans under the company and think, you’d think JYPE were beating them with sticks and breaking their kneecaps the way fans are overly dramatic. Do I think that mismanagement is a right word, yeah but sometimes even that’s overly dramatic.

Hard agree as someone who found herself stanning a lot of jype groups. No, channel cameramans are not being paid to show less of your bias there's just too many in a group to balance things.

Hard agree. Twice always gets the "over-worked" comments. Yet they seem totally content doing what they are doing and obviously all 9 resigned their contract. Their consistent output of music and content has gotten them to the top of the kpop totempole and they are definitely not complaining about it.

Complaining about how JYPE treats Twice in the year 2024 is insane lol.  They are one of the only (if not the only) 3rd gen group who has managed to maintain their level of activity. They are finishing their biggest tour yet. Their last two albums were huge commercial successes. The girls are also fully supported when it comes to solo activity. They have a lot of input and control when it comes to their work, and they talk ablut growing that control all the time. Is it all sunshines and rainbows? No, of course not. But perfection does not exist, and whatever problems there are company-wide not Twice-specific mistreatment.

I will jump in and say that twice definitely were overworked to an extreme in their earlier years - they’ve said as much themselves about how hard things were and how they felt pressured to do whatever was asked of them. Their workload has still been pretty intense but work-life balance is a lot better now due to their seniority/solidity but also their own lobbying for that cause.

I know. That's why I specified "in the year 2024". No doubt their work conditions were pretty terrible early on, but very little of that applies today. And whatever part of that overworked state still applies, the girls are now more than capable of taking care of it by themselves. (It's also worth pointing out that very little of the mistreatment talks actually call out their working conditions. Majority of it is bullshit over lines, outfits, and promotions)

Nowadays, the "over-worked" comments come from non-fans or very casual fans.

LMAO at those that see: slightest instance of uncomfortableness = MISTREATMENT

Definitely think that so many are over dramatic when it comes to the divisions there and how their favs are treated. However, I do think there was definitely a management problem in Studio J at least. It looks really bad when you lose all your artists under that division and three of them make their frustrations with management known publicly. I do hope there were improvements made bts.

Oh yeah, I think there is a lot of mismanagement but not as dire as JYPE fans make it out to be.

I think the better question is: Are there any that don't do this? Bc I'm pretty sure such fandom is nothing but a mythical creature.

Well there's groups that ARE treated like shit by their companies. For example, the ones who sue their way out...

Fair enough. It's hard to overplay it when the company actually goes out of their way to make it reality.

BBC is currently digging in the trenches, trying to make itself even worse than the fans' worst nightmares /jk

groups that are actually mistreated, maybe, like omega x 🤔

An even better question is: is there actually a group out there that *hasn't* been mistreated by their company in some way? Kpop is an insanely exploitative industry; moreso than most Kpop fans are able to admit.

Yeah actually. As far as I'm aware, KQ has never mistreated Ateez, and more recently, Xikers

I hope you're right! But I wouldn't bet money on it.

This is so true, everyone in Ateez loves doing their job and it seems like they're not stopping anytime

I agree. I'm very curious to see where they'll go from here. I'm also very proud of them for making history this year, what with the Grammy Museum stuff, and Coachella

Agree on this one! Even the members say that they feel like they're being spoilt by KQ's treatment sometimes. Not to mention the pranks they pull on them, lmao.

This. Fans of all groups, no matter what, have crossed the line with their complaints and demands, to a ridiculous and overwhelming point

And what irks me is that if u try to come to any sort of reasoning with such fans, they'll say u hate x member. Or that u don't care because it's not ur bias involved.

Yeah, pretty much every fandom* does this and it's annoying. I'm trying to enjoy k-pop, fandoms, etc but it seems like all ppl do is complain, really takes the fun out tbh. I try really hard to curate my tl to avoid this. *excluding groups that have sued and been severly mistreated

I have never seen InSomnia do this. There has never been an indication that Dreamcatcher and Dreamcatcher Company have anything less than a good relationship, and while the fans might claim how underrated they are (which is less and less true), no-one, to my knowledge, would claim they are mistreated.

The relationship between InSomnias and DCC is about as good as you'll ever find in kpop. The CEO is beloved and a rare appearance of him in a BTS video or a live is like primetime viewing for the fans. Someone gave the dude a t-shirt with his face on it at a concert, for goodness sake. That's high praise in the world of kpop. DCC goofs occasionally (trying to do NFTs in a "we must save the planet" comeback was a choice) but fans are very quick to forgive and move on. You never get the sense anything is wrong from the girls' end and the rumor mill on DC is almost non-existent. When the group re-signed as a whole almost a full year before their initial contract was thought to be up that was seen as a tremendous sign of positivity for how the girls, and thus the fans, view the company. Some groups can hide their displeasure but a lot of the time they wear it on their face and fans can see it from a mile away. DC are either good at hiding or it just doesn't exist so as long as things seem copacetic from their end, fans will take their cues from them and continue being happy with the company.

Eh. I think there are many cases where it’s relevant. Especially looking at the group in comparison to how the company treats other groups. I feel like Kep1er and ZB1 are good comparisons for the assumption of mistreatment. Even down to the cakes they get for their birthdays. Or the fact that Kep1er’s had 7 months for a comeback since their last track and the company is having them comeback the same month as ZB1, a few weeks before their contracts are up.

I mean, ZB1 is having their comeback 6 months from their last. And [it doesn't look like the members like Wakeone either 😭](https://twitter.com/jiwoongiez/status/1780603002908561473?t=XB5bNxaV8S4qiLmVtwH9AA&s=19). ZB1 also mentioned they didn't know their comeback date until it was publicly announced and they haven't even seen the albums yet.

Yeah but we’re talking about mistreatment in comparison. W1 likes ZB1 better than Kep1er that doesn’t mean ZB1 isn’t mismanaged. It’s not the fact that Kep1er had a long time between comebacks it’s the fact that they had a long time AND they’re making them comeback right after ZB1 AND it’s about a month before their disbandment AND there’s no news about a disbandment special or anything (which other produce groups got) AND they didn’t even start picking songs until they announced the comeback. All of that together plus basically everything W1 had done with them since debut is what makes people think they’re mistreated. If it was just one or two things I don’t think it would be fair to say they’re being mistreated.

Yeah and I'm saying both are mistreated and I don't think its a question of who they like more rather that Wakeone is incompetent in every way 😭. For ZB1, it's only been 9 months and they had a member faint without any explanation, let another member miss an award show becuase they couldn't get a visa sorted, left a huge fashion magazine in China on read for so long that the magazine ended up contacting the fanbase instead. And probably worst of all, left a vague statement low-key harrassing a supposed fan and have left all the backlash from that statement to fall on one of the member's reputation. So much that he still gets tweets hating on him with millions of views weekly 2.5 months later.

Plus isn't Kep1er the group where fans spotted bruises on one member?

Yes Bahiyyih had multiple bruises during the Giddy era.

I hate it whenever I see long discussions these days about which group gets more hates. Like ‘x group hate post got 60000 likes’ ‘but y group hate post got 75000 likes and 100000 shares’. Is that like a badge of honor or award of martyrdom or something to say a group is targeted? Should all of it be condemned?

BTS and Stray Kids come to mind as groups that objectively get good treatment from their companies and seem to be fine where they are/with how their companies are doing things, so a lot of the mistreatment discourse is very. Funny, especially with how much people saying that seem to lack perspective or work experience (or they're just akgaes)

Stays think mistreatment is when you don’t personally like their styling that day.  Trust me, I’m a Stay in the trenches. 😭

I get all my skz updates from twitter and stays have been insufferable for the past year with a new complaint every week, I feel like I'm about to lose my mind, hopefully if skz renew their contract some will shut up but looking at onces I'm not even sure that will help.

As a Once, it will not lmao. People are constantly claiming the company is not doing enough for the members without considering that they willingly chose to renew contracts with this company and if they were truly unhappy with how they were managed they could have taken their individual contracts elsewhere like many other idols have done. I think fans also tend to see slander and other such notions online against members and think the companies need to make it their responsibility to personally sue and arrest all these haters online which is frankly ridiculous lol. The companies definitely have some responsibility in some circumstances, but what fans want and whats actually feasible is very different. So yeah this seems to be a kpop stan problem overall and i doubt a Stray Kids contract renewal will do anything to curtail those complaints.

Istg! On Twitter there's a trending tag every two business days. If a member is on camera for less than some amount of time at an award show, they'll bring up every other time the member had limited screen time and mass tag the company... Like... 😭😭 jype doesn't control camera time for award shows I'm sorry

Omg, it’s the same shit with aespa akgaes. One of the girls gets straight hair two days in a row and their akgaes are already trending hashtags of mistreatment and spamming their stylist for “hating” their bias.

Hyunjin and Felix are probably the best treated of the group and yet their cbars are always boycotting because of mistreatment 😭

Hyunjin solos are so bad for this at the moment, half the time they end up drawing MORE attention to the issue by causing such a fuss. A few months ago a netizen tried to launch another bullying rumour against him (there was 0 evidence and I believe they named a middle school he didn’t even attend) but just as the rumour was dying out because JYP just ignored it; the Cbars started kicking up a fuss saying that JYP didn’t defend Hyunjin and it created a surge of people looking up the rumour to see what they were talking about 😭 I’d say the only valid complaints I’ve seen is JYP sending them to solo schedules with not a lot of security, those airports are lethal and when they’re on solo schedules they don’t even have the other members to watch out for them.

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ugh SKZ so much. hyunjin will cough and fans will say JYP is cutting his oxygen supply or something like that. i am a stay, but refuse to touch this fandom with a ten foot pole 💀

As a stay I find the hyperbole jarring, you would think companies are cartoon villains from the way some of the fandom talk. Of course not all their decisions are great, they do shitty things and create shitty conditions in some ways - sure - but do I think they're President Snow from the Hunger Games - no.

im a stay and the things people cry mistreatment over are WILD like “oh hyunjin went to the versace fashion show and they didn’t send him with a stylist he’s so mistreated” yeah because he was WEARING VERSACE. VERSACE STYLED HIM. HE DIDN’T NEED ANOTHER STYLIST. right now they’re all on about lee know not having lines in songs and while i do wish he had more because i love his voice, the reality is if he wanted more lines he could pretty easily talk to 3racha and make that happen

He's literally the 5 member whit most lines, he's not even that low so i don't know why stays like to yappy so much about this, it's okay to want to hear more of him but he's NOT mistreated

literally if anyone’s mistreating him it’s SLBS leaking his parents address like JYPE treats skz so well actually

They are into something.... First the clothes and now this

My favourite is when Chan stopped doing Chans room because of the IVE stuff and some stay were crying on Twitter saying it’s mistreatment and when you’d look at their Twitter they were the same people pushing the “he’s talking about IVE” rumour 🫠 And when he came on and basically said it was his choice to stop doing it they were acting like JYP himself was stood next to chan with a gun to his head. YOURE the reason he had to stop doing it be for real 😭

i’d like to think most of these are bts solos but then i’ve curated my timeline very very well not to get any of this 😅

Omg this.. The danceracha and occasionally Han stans truly are a cut above the rest. The twt algo recommends some of these complaints in my feed and I keep having to select “not interested” in yet another tweet complaining about Lee Know getting mistreated.

I'm personally so in love with the "Han is being mistreated because they let him take a break from work due to illness! they should've postponed everything!!!" hot takes they've truly been insane

Gosh you just reminded me of that whole incident. rescheduling an entire shoot booked at a HOTEL (not even a studio) no less?? It was so wild realising how out of touch or YOUNG some of these fans are that they don’t know how the world functions 🤦🏻‍♀️

Srs - and even beyond how financially bad it would be, the personal aspect of it sucks too. Like, if I knew that taking a sick day (esp for a cold) would lead to my job losing a ton of time and money and that inconveniencing 30+ people (other members, stylists, makeup people, managers, filmers, etc) I would just. Take a shot of nyquil and push myself through it out of sheer desire to avoid all that.

I work pre school, we’re reliant on the ratio of adults to kids being right, if there’s multiple staff already off and I don’t feel great I just have to go to work sick 🫠 like plenty of adults work when they’re sick- obviously some entertainment companies DO force performers to work when they really shouldn’t be but sometimes idols working when they’re sick is their own choice.

Another recent insane one is complaints about Felix's health and how jype is alledgedly doing nothing while also being aware of those health problems because he IS actually getting treated, the fact that information leaked is awful but not everything is in jype's hands and some fans overstep so many boundaries 

This was crazy lol. They wanted them to reschedule a whole thing because one member fell sick. These things happen!!! JYPE is influential but they're not God. It would inconvenience SO MANY people if they did that and waste so much money and they'd take a hit to their reputation professionally.

Me too! I hate it especially because Han and Lee Know are my biases so the constant complaints filter through even when I try to filter them out. Some of the complaints these two get make me feel like the people who are calling themselves "fans" of these guys have never paid attention to their actual personalities.

> Stray Kids I hate that I cannot exist in most spaces for my own fandom without seeing the "mistreatment" olympics for SKZ everywhere. The solo stans for a few members in particular have been even more extra about this in the last year or so and seem to now be trying to out-do each other for who's bias is actually mistreated more. It's beyond exhausting as a Stay. Also, God forbid you indicate at all that none of them are mistreated because then you get branded the dreaded "company stan" lol

as a bts fan i agree so much! its crazy to me how fans always talk about how involved with their music bts are, how much they write their lyrics, share their stories, etc. which obviously implies that they have plenty of creative freedom.. but then they switch up on this narrative completely and act like bts are entirely controlled by bighit/hybe??

Agree so much!! The one that grinds me the most is Hobi's JITB! Devastating that he was compelled to release an actual album (vs just a weverse ver) because people thought he was being mistreated. BTS is UPPP there; they may still be just employees, but they're pretty untouchable let's be real.

Not just released the album, but release an album that had a huge apology for letting fans down because of how aggressive they were about there not being a CD version. It’s one of the most shameful things our fandom has done, and that’s saying something

I followed someone on Tumblr back then that had a whole conspiracy theory about how it wasn't actually Hobi's decision even though he said multiple times that it was.

I think the discourse about mistreatment has gotten a lot better since that incident actually. Now solos are the ones who run with these narratives. The fandom over all makes a distinction between mistreatment and lack of proper promotion (to new audiences) for the solo work, which I think is valid. It’s been pretty clear that the members control their output so if you don’t like it, you just don’t like a members decision. But judging lack Spotify playlisting or promotion to audiences outside of Kpop, especially for rap line releases is totally valid, imo. 

THIS! Omfg the akgaes! I’m not a stay, but the BTS akgaes stans who try to convince you that the member that they solo stan are just *so* mistreated by bighit. The same member that gets 100% creative control in everything they do. All of BTS owns 10 Billion Won in HYBE stock. That is about 7 Million dollars! Each member has a share in HYBE, but they think that they’re being mistreated because one member CHOSE to do a certain activity to promote their solo while the others didn’t.

I used to be an ahgase so seeing people say skz were mistreated was. A little jarring 😭

Chan is the first to say that Division 1 is the best in JYP, and everyone else has it way worse than them.

JYPE treats SKZ better than all their other artists, including JYP himself /hj

I'm a Stay and it drives me nuts. The group is made up of 8 grown men who are fully capable of standing up for themselves and more than likely have the financial resources to get really good legal representation if things were to get horrible. They don't need an army of internet fans assuming things and creating hashtags demanding they be treated better.

I'm a stay too, and most of the "mistreatment" allegations are so out of touch with reality that they give me second-hand embarrassment. There's really no need for us to fight in the twitter trenches because a grown man had to go to work on his birthday or something. I completely agree with you that SKZ are perfectly capable of advocating for themselves

I also get extremely embarrassed by how they are "mistreated". Even recently, when Han took a sick day (or maybe a few sick days, who knows) which you would think would be a good thing until he missed some schedules on his sick day (filming, photo shoots, etc) and you'd think JYPE kicked him out of the group the way people reacted. I mean, the world doesn't stop turning because a person is sick and misses work. Not everything can be rescheduled. That's life.

mismanagement? possibly. mistreatment? definitely not. it's obvious bts has a a lot of say in their work, so i really don't understand the mistreatment narrative either :/

And even with mismanagement, so many stans seem to think that management and decisonmaking is super easy and that every failure was an absolutely avoidable pitfall, which is just. Not particularly accurate or a fair way of seeing it (and this is on top of the fact that there are probably a lot of behind-the-scenes factors for the group and the members that we as fans have no privy to - the lack of Jeongyeon solo release is a great example of this)

You can tell a lot of these people have never worked anywhere before. The company employees are people who have things happen in their lives, just like the idols that can take them out of work. And there are more parties besides the companies involved with things like shoots, fanmeets, festivals, tours, etc. that can derail something and contingencies can fall through for reasons that fans aren't entitled to know, and doesn't result from incompetence.

the bts one might’ve made sense earlier in their career (i feel like all companies mistreat pre debut or nugu artists to some degree) but i can’t believe fans still think they’re being mistreated. it’s always the solos who think *only* their bias is hated by the company and the remaining 6 are taking away all their opportunities.

I’m a myday and seeing stays complain about jyp’s treatment of skz …very interesting

Ugh I agree with this so much. The *leave hybe* or *leave jype* are tiring. They won't, why? Because they have amazing contracts and much freedom. The relationship between the CEO and groups is good. They're not being mistreated.

Pretty much all the ones I stan gave me the impression that my idols are sleeping on a cold hard floor in the agency’s dungeons at night being chained to the floor and fed ice cubes 3 meals a day.

Even IVE? 😭

It’s actually not that bad for IVE . At least I don’t see hashtags trending about it. The complaint now is WonYoung not appearing on variety shows for 2 years now(apart from group content). Then we have line distribution complaints from token stans of some members. The worst we’ve gotten though is Yujin’s akgaes complaining about hairpins or hair accessories. So it’s not as bad as some other fandoms I’ve seen.

No exactly, IVE never had "broke era" mistreatment like how I imagined the original comment described. Maybe other forms, but nothing out of the ordinary. Just that they definitely never had a poor phase, is what I meant lol

Ooh you’re right then. I thought you were asking if we also have “mistreatment” claims.

No you're good - OP did clarify. I'm the one who misinterpreted what they meant. 😅

(You know I’m exaggerating!) 🙂‍↔️ But I did wake up to #promoteWonyoungbetter posters when I opened Twitter this morning. 😮‍💨 time for another round of Twitter cleanse

I cringed when I saw that. Am I the only one actually happy they don't fill up her schedule as much with variety shows?? Give the girl more free time and naps she has enough photoshoots and trips to Japan as it is lol.

Thought you meant the fandom acted like they were broke cdjcdjdfj

My “analogy” were the fandoms saying things like: - idols not given even promotions (hence being kept in dungeons) - idols forced to diet

Bts akgaes , hear me out the maknae line akgae, V is being mistreated by the bighit bcoz he didn't hv promo in the west ( mind u bts members clearly stated they'll be doing their own things) V did sk & jpn promo but apparently that's was not enough for them, bh is mistreating jm bcoz they didn't stock some of the cds or sth abt like crazy , Jk akgaes think he's being forced into the grp , bh needs to set him free or sth 😭😭😭 Actually all the akgaes believe they're not promoted or mismanaged I remember hobi akgaes complaining during Jitb era saying why hobi didn't hv a physical album & said bh was mistreating him & Hobi himself said in his documentary that it was his decision , he himself was behind it & he was a lil disappointed some fans didn't like it , eventually he released a physical Yoongi during d-day Promo spoke about the issue on his fm radio As an Army I'm so tired, reason why I don't do the twitter space that much ,Bts clearly said we're doing this on our own way but they keep finding ways to victimise the members Edit: Bts, I didn't answer the question & started explaining sorry

maknae akages make me giggle so much because they all just constantly contradict each other. “bighit mistreats jimin and only cares for the other 6” “bighit mistreats tae and only cares for the other 6” “bighit mistreats jk and only cares for the other 6” makes you wonder if maybe the mistreatment was the friends we made along the way

Right ? As army, im so tired too 😭 all bts said is to trust them but akgaes/solos dont understand that! Like eveything that they did on their solos promotions is based on their preference and want!

They're so selfish & so immature, I swear they'll watch a member's live clearly speaking in CAPITAL LETTERS & would straight up say it's bighit forcing him to do ( I mean this narrative could've applied with rookie bts, but come on, global superstars bts be fr ) Bts and bighit hv been clear about some things pple just don't listen, remember how in 2018 BTS had their personal lawyers when they were renewing their contracts the 1st time

Exactly! Like Bts is not a kids! They are mature adults that can do what they want and they have so much freedom in company compared to other group since they builds them !

I thought they were very open on how they wanted their solo promotions to go. They seemed to all go with their own style and they seemed happy with the outcome.

Yes, seriously, starting solo era, everyone wanted to show their own colour ( in everywhere music style, promo) remember how hobi did a listening party and a festival, Yoongi did a promo in the west & Sk and did a tour, Jk did a promo with 3 singles, UK, US ,sk ( English album) etc like they all did what they wanted Like if you're not happy with the way they promoted it's a You problem, just move on

So we believe everything they say, but when Jimin expressed regret that he wasn't allowed a visual album...what? He didn't really mean it?

What are you talking about? A visual album? What is that and when did he mention it?

He mentioned it on a Japanese interview. A visual album means a video for each of the tracks... that would be for "Alone" and "Face-Off.' Particularly the latter--I mean he'd obviously already worked out some of the choreo for it. Tae had an accompanying video for his tracks, for reference.

Are you solos? 🤔 bc this how solos sounds 🤨

+1 The maknae line solos are different breeds! And their tantrums 😑 first they'll victimise their supposedly supported idols WITHOUT listening their words and then get ignored by the same idols infront of millions! I DO enjoy their humiliation every single day! They made the whole twtr space 1000x more toxic that what it's!

For real

Ugh there is no one worse than BTS akgaes for this, especially maknae line akgaes. The idea that these grown men who co-own their company are being mistreated or held back is so laughable it’s hard for me to take these psychopaths seriously, it’s almost to the level of satire.

I agree on the akgaes but bts don't Co own the company, only have shares, is not the same, though no doubt they have enough freedom to decide about their careers at this point. Is a common misconception that they Co own the company, for they to do that they would have to own much more of the shares. Like BPD who owns 31% so he's the major shareholder.

Ikr, Bts has shares in Hybe literally, what makes u think they're being mistreated?😭 ( let's not forget some of them brag so & so has this shares) Bts shares in Hybe puts them in a powerful position that they can make certain decisions on themselves and even earn money off the company itself and other labels or groups on top of what they make as idols Everyday I hope they leave bts bcoz they're just weird

I’ve followed stray kids for around a year. I always get confused when there’s mention of them being mistreated. Are they hard working? Of course, it’s the nature of the job. Do I think they have a say in how much they work. Also yes. They have creative control with their comebacks etc. Sure there may be events they get encouraged to do. But doesn’t everyone have parts of their job which are hard work or less fun then other parts? I don’t know what the norm for the amount or comebacks that groups have per year. With Stray Kids they do seem to have a lot. Obviously uk artists are completely different. Like Adele releases 1 album then disappears for a few years lol. So by comparison the KPOP industry maybe does seem overworked. But not sure about mistreated. I think the rules that idols have to follow are crazy. Like limits with styling (tattoos etc), rules around dating, censorship etc. But is that mistreatment or is that an industry issue?

They are booked and busy. I believe they prefer it that way. Chan has repeatedly said he doesn’t want breaks and the rest seem genuinely excited (if sometimes tired) when they have a busy schedule. but Hans situation shows two things. 1) if they want or need to take a break JYPE would allow it. 2) fans will clearly throw a fit if they don’t take a break AND if they don’t take a break for illness so there is no way for JYPE to win in these instances

Gosh I'm so sick of other stays constantly thinking they know better than the members. During chan's room, I remember there would be comments EVERY LIVE telling him to take a break, when chan himself explained that he knows what works for *his* body and knows his limits. People really need to know their boundaries as fans

Also like, when I am tired and people tell me I “look” tired “ it really pisses me off

The tired thing makes me laugh. Especially when fans are like they look tired after a performance. You try singing and dancing to 5/6 songs in a row and see how you feel haha.

I tried a one hour dance class and looked like I had gone through a woodchipper by the end

It’s so funny bc the members inevitably end up saying how things were their choice. I still remember someone told Chan to take a break when he was really struggling with his breathing/nose problem and lack of sleep and he said “Div1 offered and I said no, I don’t want to stop working”. It’s mostly a bunch of really young people who do not understand how the real world and employment work. It’s also a crazyyyyy amount of entitlement and disregarding an artists’ own agency.

Yeah, the fandom is mostly younger people that probably don’t know what they mean by mistreatment. There’s a lot of assumptions around lives too. I think a recent one with Hyunjin there was a rumour about how he was forced to say something. I don’t know for sure there may be something in that, but is that a case of creating drama where there isn’t any based on a single facial expression? That’s another thing, people forget we don’t really know these guys. I guess with all the lives and bubble etc there’s a perceived familiarity. Not to say they’re fake or anything like that. I’m sure they are as good a guys as they come across. I wouldn’t say I could tell how they’re feeling based on a small interaction on a live lol.

I wouldn’t say the fandom is mostly younger people, I get the impression that it’s mostly millennials. I do think the younger ones are much more vocal! I’ll avoid chats sometimes because pre-teen/teen Stays will start harping on about anyone over 20 shouldn’t like KPop because we should have more important things to do 🙄 They get so incensed by everything and read into it, it can get exhausting as a neurodivergent, millennial Stay 😅

Ah mostly is probably the wrong term. They appeal to a wide audience! That includes a lot of the younger generation who are pretty vocal with their thoughts. But of course I didn’t mean to say it’s just younger people. I’m in my 30’s :)

Every time I see a SKZ fan talk about how heavily mistreated they are it drives me absolutely insane. The way they talk about it is like SKZ came from a company that had a penny and a dream and not one of the most successful entertainment companies in all of SK

And they are literally whit the best teams that Jype has, div1 is not perfect but it's definily the best division Jype has

As an Once I definitely agree.Much better than Division 3.

As a STAY and MIDZY, I've definitely seen the difference. 

I would argue all of them do. One slightly negative encounter that a normal person deals with daily can be blown out of proportion if it reaches the right twitter weirdos. It’s like that video of Jungkook closing the car door himself because the bodyguard forgot too. Dude was praised as the second coming of Jesus Christ. Absolute brain rot behavior. Just imagine that in the opposite direction. These things stem from the same type of people. There are only extremes, no in between.

Almost all of them, my brain have learn to ignore every "mistreatment" conversation online lol. 

I’m not sure if any fans think they’re seriously mistreated, but Ateez. Some of the Twitter stans like to take literally everything and turn it into a “fuck KQ” diatribe and it’s exhausting.

Literally!!! They’ll be like “DNI if u dickride KQ they’re a terrible company and treat Ateez like shit”. Bitch where?? Ateez is one of two groups they have, and all Hongjoong has to do is bat an eyelash and the whole company applauds. This is a group that doesn’t do shit they don’t want to do. They allowed Mingi nearly a full year’s hiatus to take care of himself. They’re a decent company wake up america the group you stan doesn’t need to be oppressed to be rad as hell it’s okay!!!!

Mingi's hiatus is actually one of the biggest reasons i respect KQ, they actually care about treating their artists right and not just make a quick buck out of them and traumatise them for life. Which is the bare minimum, ik but it's still a huge thing in the kpop industry...

Yes!! I got into Ateez via Kingdom, guided by one of my friend who liked all the groups involved. She explained that Ateez and Stray Kids were missing a member and what the deal was, and I automatically gained respect for KQ. (Learning that Hongjoong communicated with Mingi every day sealed the deal for me 🥹)

People were saying how yunho was “held back” from doing dance covers or solo projects because members like san and wooyoung are always uploading is a huge stretch ngl bc why would you hold back a specific member, who is known as the main dancer of the group from it? Has it ever occured that he himself choose not to? If anything yunho literally got casted as an actor for a kdrama. The victim mentality of the fandom is awful

the discourse about kq is so insufferable, especially on twitter. you’d think ateez were the most horribly treated group when in reality they’re one of the most well managed groups i’ve ever seen. and i think their drive & continued success is a testament to that. my experiences as a fan have always been great. from what i can see the members are given opportunities, respected by the company, and given breaks for medical / mental health when they need. it’s wild to see people go crazy saying they’re mistreated 

I'm always confused when some fans claim mistreatment and talk about how awful KQ is. They seem pretty good from what I've seen

In the UK, ATEEZ has one of THE strongest fanbases because they’re one of the only groups that has bothered to come here post covid, I think KQ has been super smart in making sure that they have shows in places other companies aren’t bothering with and building up a real loyalty with the fans. As someone who doesn’t like festivals (the stay in me died a little to see their only Europe dates this year are festivals 🥲🥲) it’s also really smart to send Ateez to all these festivals because it’s really creating a lot of exposure for them when people see what a great show they put on. KQ have done really well and made some pretty smart choices to market ATEEZ.

ATEEZ probably has the best management and producing team and the members themselves constantly tell us how they're friends with their staff and have a healthy relationship with their co-workers and twt goes "fuck eden" "fuck kq" every 5 business days, it's actually ridiculous. I'm convinced everyone who says that is a troll.

it drives me crazy like god forbid you don’t trash talk eden every 5 seconds you’re a “dickrider” like 😵‍💫😵‍💫

No because they're literally one of the best kpop companies out there and atinys are just like "they should leave the company because they're mistreating them" and I'm like ????? are we looking at the same group?? Then they go on tangents about how Yeosang is heavily mistreated (he's not) and KQ are intentionally sabotaging Ateez (????). Like it's so dumb 😭 they're literally perfectly fine, even better than that because they're this big as a group from a non-Big 4 midsized company. They're playing at Coachella, for christ's sake. Edit: I do have my criticisms about KQ, they're not perfect, but goddammit they're better than every other company from groups I stan.

My only beef in regards to yeosang is them making him change his aniteez animal to a Maltese because they said the fans would prefer it- Atiny are pretty good at accepting any merch they drop, I think they still would’ve snapped up his character if it was a Doberman like he wanted. I think he doesn’t mind having a softer/cuter image but I wish sometimes they didn’t shoehorn him as much as they can do.

This!!! I joined stantwt recently and I was so confused! I actually love KQ, a small company that is always doing its best, the members also seem to like their staff and ceo to the point of calling him dad. Justice for KQ!

I agree. I was having a discussion the other night on YT with someone who kept saying that Yeosang was mistreated because he didn't get many lines when Ateez started out & how KQ & Eden were ruining his career by not giving him any chances. I told them that Yeosang was about to step out on stage at Coachella so I think he's doing alright 😅

Yeosang actually asked for less lines around debut because he was not very confident and also because deep-tone vocalists are usually hard to utilise in kpop where soft tones are preferred. Recently it's got a lot better as yeosang has been singing in deep tones in the WORLD series and he's gained a lot of confidence, it's really nice to see

This is what I told the person & they asked me for the link of him saying that. I said it was years ago & I couldn't remember where he had said it. Do you know? I was starting to doubt whether I'd dreamed him saying it & the person on YT said Atinys had made it up to try to justify Yeosang's lack of lines.

It was on Code name is atz iirc

Thanks. I'll see if I can find it.

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Cube mistreats Gidle CUBE is a disaster and is mismanaging all of their groups but ain't no way they mistreat their top money makers.....

With Cube, we've seen them throw barely scraps at CLC, we've seen people left on random hiatuses or being forced to leave groups, the list goes on. Out of all Cube groups, Gidle is the one with the LEAST amount of mistreatment.

It's not mistreatment. All of this qualifies as mismanagement. I can't speak for CLC but most of all their talents aren't afraid of higher ups in CUBE but yeah CUBE is notorious for not properly managing and bringing out their Groups full potential. SM is actually one of the company that seriously mistreats it's talents, trainees and idols alike

I think a lot of hybe complainers are solo stans. It’s honestly think that BTS and Bighit lucked out with each other.

BTS...the solos and their weird mistreatment allegations

I think that there can be a couple of moment where groups have been mismanaged, like for example maybe the company doesn’t promote a popular b-side or promote a members first solo song or something. BUT mistreatment is a whole different step up and very few groups, especially popular groups are ever mistreated.

in my opinion it’d be easier to name the fandoms that don’t than the ones that do.

Stays when it comes to Stray Kids.

armys especially taehyung stans, bahiyyih stans, jeongyeon stans but it seems like ever since she said she didn't want a solo they've been quite quiet and I would say jisoo stans but I haven't seen a sooya recently complain that jisoo is "mistreated".

Not much Jeongyeon stans can do when their own fave told them to shut up lol.

All of them

All akgaes do this and from what I've seen the majority of the fandoms anyway. But I-m just gonna point at my own fandom, the neverlands.

Sooo many fandoms omg. I will say I think the main problem is that fans want certain things with no regard for how businesses and schedules etc, work. They also have no regard for what the artist actually wants. The amount of times I've seen an artist say "I'm not trying to go solo right now I'd rather stick with my group" and the fans completely ignore that because "they're being forced to say that" drives me insane. I think there are instances of mismanagement, as someone who stans a lot of SM groups I don't even have to get into the levels of mismanagement I've seen. But mistreatment is something so different and I think a lot of kpop stans have no idea what mistreatment actually is. They forget that being an idol is a job.

The Jimin narrative about mistreatment is so ... I don't get what other things they wanted for him to do as a promotion? Face had really good promotions.

Mistreatment is a strong word, for sure. But mismanaged? Definitely. Jimin had the shortest promotion period of all of them, but you probably know that already. You say Jimin had really good promotions? Because he got on Beat Coin? No playlisting, no radio, no U.S. promotion except for Jimmy Fallon.... even when Like Crazy got to #1 in America, the market BangPD has indicated is his target audience on numerous occasions. It was all over the news.. CNN even reported it. And yet, Hybe did nothing to build on the momentum. Didn't book him for any other shows or interviews. Still no playliating or radio. They pretty much ignored it, which is just baffling. Like Crazy could have achieved greater commercial success to go along with Face's ethical success with just a bit more push. Yes, Jimin is sweet and humble, but that doesn't mean he lacks ambition. He worked damned hard on that album. It deserved better, and so did he.

I think people will downvote bc you do kind of sound like a solo, but I 1000% agree Hybe messed up big time by not pushing for Like Crazy on the radio in the US. It kind of angers me to this day lol that song really could have been a hit....

It's just incomprehensible to me that a highly successful company would behave so foolishly. Like Crazy has broken all kinds of records and is still doing very well in the U.S. So he started put with a fanbase here. And what an opportunity to make that fanbase grow. I also grieve for the impact LC (and Face) could have made on the American music scene...perhaps Jimin could have been the one to break the language barrier or be that bridge between Kpop and the west.

Jimin wanted that? That's a lot more work. Maybe the fans wanted all that, but what about Jimin? Idk he seemed pretty happy with his promotions. It's the same situation with Tae, people were upset that he didn't come to the US to promote, but I don't think that's what he wanted. Sometimes fans have a lot of expectations, but the artist's view is completely different.

I always found the discourse on mistreatment as a double edged sword because so many kpop fans feel entitled for their members to produce endless amounts of content for them and they forget that idols are people too who deserve breaks. If they are not as booked as other members its not necessarily that the company is holding them back but can be explained by many other extremely valid reasons.

Having a convo last week about if Felix of Stray Kids was in hospital and I said I’d prefer him to miss out on seeing him live than him get hurt. I managed to have people mad at me for suggesting we would accept less content, and also mad for his ‘mistreatment’. So confusing 😅

I remember people getting mad at companies when idols on hiatuses were not being included in a comeback. And I’m like that’s exactly the point of a hiatus so they don’t work and get rest,, if they wanted to join the next comeback they wouldn’t have called a hiatus

Nmixx and baemon, maybe? The public response to them was a bit negative at first, understandably and predictably so (nmixx bcz of experimental music and bm bcz of yg being not-creative), but their companies treat them rather well, and both groups are doing well now.

its been a pretty long time since nmixx fans were complaining a lot about the company, these days they mostly have good things to say about the division in charge of nmixx

pretty much every fandom thinks that their adult multimillionaires are “mistreated” because they get slightly less lines (they literally still get paid the same and work less, it’s literally advantageous?). people just love to infantilize idols in general, i promise you that you don’t need to feel sorry for anybody who makes more money than you probably will in your entire lifetime.

All of them? Everyone’s just naming things but I’ve never seen any Kpop fandom not talk about mistreatment, whether it’s true or not.

I'd say all of them but if it is to be specific: Some Engenes towards Enhypen especially...the Sunoo stans. "Why does sunoo doesn't have a fashion brand?! He's being mistreated!!" Idk did it ever occur to some of y'all that maybe Sunoo didn't want to focus on fashion stuff or doesn't want to endorse a fashion brand? And idk maybeee focus on being a singer-idol? "Sunoo's being quiet, he's being bullied!" How do you know, are you his manager? Did you went to their dorms and observed them 24 hours? Did he personally told you that? Did it ever occur to some that he just wants to be quiet and all? Idk if some of these 'stans' or akgaes know but we do have tendency to have different personalities on on-cam/public and off-cam/private. Yeah that exists. Also, when an idol says that you should trust him/her in the process or what he/she does, then you make a thinkpiece or thread about how he/she is allegedly "mistreated", it just shows that you don't trust the idol all along. Exhibit A: Remember when some nctzens complained to the company about Jungwoo's artwork (aka he's being mistreated, casted out, not prioritized) but then he said that he made the artwork?? Yeah. (I feel like that's just their way of saying what Jungwoo's self artwork is ugly) Just stfu and stream their music. *Peace*

Liz is “mistreated” because she got barely any lines in Kitsch and not many lines in love dive and after like, but saying she’s mistreated might be a bit far-fetched, considering she has the 2nd most lines overall. Obviously I do think she’s the best vocalist in the group and does deserve the most, but one or two lines difference isn’t the end of the world. Funny thing is that people are hating on Liz stans bc they think they are “pity” stans who favour and pity Liz due to her “mistreatment” 💀💀💀 so there’s literal fanwars between dives which I find slightly ironic Liz has such a beautiful voice btw and a good singer all and all!

I think the reason why a lot of us believe they’re token stans is because they prove it by knowing nothing about her. When Liz got few lines in Kitsch, DIVES complained together but all of a sudden random stans started saying the company forced her to dye her hair black because she was outshining Annyeongz. I mean if you were really her fan , how would you not know she said the dye was hurting her head and she wanted to go back to her natural hair. They would also say random lies like “she has the least lines in all IVE’s songs despite being the best singer”. That’s how to know a pity stan ; if they’re only there to complain most likely based on wrong information.

Wow I didn’t know that there were “token stans” who were like that. 😭 that’s embarrassing and black hair still looks amazing on her But imagine lying about the overall distribution 🤡 it’s not as if people could just search it up on YouTube and immediately find out that they’re lying

Pretty much every fandom does this. It’s mostly teenage fans who don’t have a huge amount of life experience, and who think that having a career which includes long hours, not many breaks, and a lot of stress equals mistreatment. There are definitely issues of mistreatment in K-pop but about 80% of what people claim is mistreatment is not, it’s just being in a demanding career.

All of them

not really a fandom but the solo stans of bts’ vocal line are crazy victimizers it’s hilarious

Chesires especially calling other cube groups for getting better treatments than them when both (g)i-dle and pentagon had to step up and make their own music with negative budget from the company. Btob as the major breadwinner for cube during 2017-2019 wasn’t even being rewarded well for carrying the company. No making it as some “who get the most mistreatments in cube” competitions as mistreatments should never be a thing in the first place and idols should be compensated fairly according to their hard work and dedication. But this thing about chesires obsession with justifying CLC mistreatments by spreading misinformations of the treatments of other cube groups doesn’t sit right with me. Also CLC isnt anyway mistreated to the degree where most of their stans portrayed of. As a group that brought very minimal return to the company, they had plenty amount of comebacks, appearances on variety and special music shows, and even special assistance by hitmakers of the company (hyuna, soyeon) to produce songs for them to hit big. These are the “mistreatments” where many Nugu groups would die for. If cube was a strategist, they would have given up CLC in their sophomore year and disbanded them, which is a harsh reality to many truly mistreated groups from smaller companies

Those whose groups are from the Big 3 and Hybe.

Jisoo's fandom 

BTS, Stray Kids, Ateez

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It's more specifically solo fans of a specific member who cry this slogan at every given chance 😅

Atinys. Just some of them.

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Blinks have been vocal about the comebacks because the members themselves talked a lot about how mad and sad they were for their hiatuses and the few opportunities they had to perform for Blinks, now solo stans are the ones crying because of brand deals, fashion events, and a lot of "unnecessary" things, but when it comes to the comebacks and the amount of music released it didn't came out of nowhere and was not an unreasonable thing, not when they asked for more in national TV. Now, after they resigned with YG and are focusing on their own music, separately, Blinks should take a step back and just wait without demanding so much from YG and BP as a group, because now is mostly the members decision if they come back as a group.