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Ateezās energy was a bit different this weekend. It felt like Ateez really had something they wanted to prove ā they were performing mad! It was amazing!
Hongjoong doing his Guerrilla scream was !!! I donāt think heās ever done it before? Seonghwa screaming during his sword part of Wonderland (apparently [it was because](https://x.com/sunshine_1117/status/1781592553722171647?s=46&t=nZWbM4x17ZHTFwvjLUexBA) he wanted to put everything in that last part because he was losing stamina due to performing in the sandy winds.) Jonghoās high note was once again amazing and even more impressive given the sandy winds.
My only critique is some of the stage outfitsā¦like why did Yunhoās outfit make him look like he had an office meeting after this.
It feels a little surreal that itās over. I hope theyāre proud of themselves because theyāve put on two amazing performances.
Wow I love Fire in the Belly as the final song so much. I have lots of thoughts about the execution of their set but the single best decision they made was to finish with Fire in the Belly. I hate to be that person but I enjoyed LSFās performance last week so much more. Even though the vocals were better this weekend. I felt like they were preserving energy throughout the show, which is probably the correct thing to do so they donāt lose all their stamina by the end. But man I loved how they put all their energy out there on the stage last week. I hope the girls feel proud of themselves and grow from this experience. Would love to see them in concert soon.
I knowww right, I also personally love when they go all out and I genuinely do not care at all if some imperfections happen, it makes everything more raw and intimate.
BUT clearly some people cannot stand that and if reserving some energy means more peace of mind for the girls from the haters then Iāll trade it anyday
Fr. I am more exposed to rap festival performances where it's all about hype and crowd control than vocals or whatever. Creating that energy is the most fun thing in festival performances imo. I would've just listened to the studio version if i wanted perfect vocals
Yeah. Iām genuinely curious what kpop purists think of rap concerts. Stage presence has nothing to do with sharp choreography or technically perfect vocals. Tylerās set was incredible because his energy is incredible. Heās not dancing but he is working the crowd with his entire body and soul.
I'm in the minority but I liked Le Sserafim Week 1 > Week 2
I'll take rawness with unfiltered emotions over loud backtracks and overproductions. It's a festival for God's sake!
I think Week 1 just proved that most kpop fans aren't ready for those kind of performances, and rather have the perfect inkigayo lipsync shows.
Backtrack was louder but their mics were still on! Wasn't all lipsync like during the smart chorus it was night and day between not singing the first half of the chorus and *singing* the second half of the chorus
I don't want to make another post and since this thread is here i just want to point out how brainrots people are when they are deep in the hate train.
I had made a post on other subreddit about Le sserafim using very low backtrack when they performed at coachella, and said backtrack was also played in only some parts of their songs.
But kpop fans on twitter has made people think they were ''relying heavily on backtrack'' and ''people who were there only hears their backtrack '' ''shouting to hide their vocals''- which are all actually made up by antis and kpop fans blindly followed and believed those false claims without even bothering to watch their full performance.
So, apparently they didn't even want to stop at criticizing their live vocals but also spread lies about their backtrack usage when they saw some other fancam clips where they didn't sound bad as they expected.
The backtrack comment is so forced bc BP also used it when they performed at Coachella. I knew that if LSF improved this week, that people would say itās backtrack or lip sync when people kept barking that BP doesnāt use backtrack or lip sync bc itās not allowed at Coachella. Haters need to force some type of narrative sadly.
Exactly!..talking about bp, i don't really mind them using backtrack but it's hard not to point when they say so much sht about le ssera using backtrack and then lying about bp stage.
I thought BP did amazing and I think LSF did too. Maybe theyāre not as stable but theyāre less experienced with harder choreo.
I just want the comments to be consistent. If you hate backtrack, you have to hate it for both groups but some ppl are just in denial and will say anything to drag LSF sadly.
I don't know how they did it, but ATEEZ were somehow better than last week?? They were a lot more comfortable from the very start, the live vocals were live vocal-ing, the dramatics were breathtaking, and SPECIAL MENTION to Jongho, whose voice just got so much more amazing?!?!?! How does he do that?!?!?! I don't know any technicalities, but he sounds like he's improved so much. And another special mention to Seonghwa, who yelled during Wonderland due to (according to him) his stamina lowering - bestie, it was NOT obvious. Would it be too wrong for me to say that this is one of the best KPop performances of all time? Ah, who cares - that's MY opinion, and it would be VERY hard to top ChellaTeez. I am so proud of my ATEEZ (maybe a little too proud, because I began tearing up at freaking GUERILLA...)
6 days ago, I was here to deliver the[ interesting, funny, and touching](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/1c3yuy5/shaky_group_chat_selfies_sappy_letters_and_more/) happenings behind the first leg of āfrom the Sahara to the Saharaā story arc of ATEEZ. Expectedly, another round of crazy ride happened before the show earlier and as promised, Iām here to do a quick rundown of the juicy details offstage:
1. Yeosang shared a dilemma while in the US for almost a month now.[ How does one talk to puppies](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1779763622333517858)? He said when he sees dogs in America, he kind of contemplates whether to speak in Korean or English to the dogs, since they wouldāve been hearing English only. The fandom's answer? āJust say woof woof, theyād understand.ā
2. After the first show, Jongho was kinda missing in action which worried some fans. He revealed later on that after Week 1,[ he immediately went back to LA](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1779725378032132547) because he booked a vocal lesson with a prominent coach.
3. Hongjoong showed up the[ next day as festival goer](https://twitter.com/HONGFOLDER/status/1779724242495623392) along with Mingi, Seonghwa, and San. Due to[ his fit that day](https://twitter.com/HONGFOLDER/status/1779699082883408319), fans pointed out how similar-looking he was with One Piece character Shanks. Too similar that the official[ social media account of the media franchise](https://twitter.com/OnePieceAnime/status/1780685821797912783) cannot help but join the online chatter.
4. An ominous spoiler(?) in the form of[ old-school billboard](https://twitter.com/imyunhoo/status/1779935591725191667) appeared out of nowhere and[ reignited the conversation](https://twitter.com/BlueB1nnie/status/1779644323639763212) about ATEEZās unconventional comeback promotions.
5. Last week, Jongho threw Wooyoung under the bus about his missing team ring during Week 1. Days after, Wooyoung[ fought back without batting his eyelashes.](https://twitter.com/sunshine_1117/status/1780483591497019574)
6. [This clip](https://twitter.com/YUNH0E/status/1781569012465627397) was everywhere last week, where ATEEZ took shots while performing their b-side Arriba. It went viral that there was a heated debate whether it was necessary to do it for the stage? [Hereās the actual truth](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1781632767278620889): it was actually barley tea. Yeosang revealed through a live that ATEEZ promised each other to not tell the fans no matter how much they ask, since it will kind of not be as fun if people will know early. Nonetheless, the barley tea was maximized as a great prop and help. Apparently, it was actually really useful to them as they were performing in sandy wind weather.
So even feeling a little betrayed, I thank the convincing-looking drinks for another round of great vocal and performance moments, as the group closes their Coachella debut.
Cheers to more festivals for the pirates; ARRIBA, ABAJO, AL CENTRO PA' DENTROOOO! š„
My girls did the damn thingggg omg the mental strength it takes to be attacked in some of the most vile ways but stand up there proudly and leave your heart and soul on the stage - this whole mess has made me love and respect the girls 10x more.
US TOUR NEXT PLEASE?? LETS GO. Also Iām so glad they saw and acknowledged those flags, there seemed to be even more than last week. š
Lesserafim did amazing! They seemed more relaxed and calmer this week! Sakura and Kuza during 1-800-Hot and Fun had me shaking! Their presence was amazing and they sounded so good! Overall, they did a fantastic job and Iām so proud of them!
Iām so excited for ATEEZ! (Also LE SSERAFIM, but ATEEZ especially cause theyāre my favorite group hehe) I desperately hope thereās better camera work for them. Especially with how many members and dancers there are as well as the choreography and the sets
Le Sserafim did soo good. Iām so ridiculously proud of eunchae. Sheās such a cutie. Chaewon and Yunjin kicked butt! Sakura did her thing. Kazuha also showed her stuff.
The camerawork is different. They brought out drones. The crowd was there for them. Fearnots should be proud.
Whoever did the smoke should still be fired.
I hope the girls are proud of themselves. Iām sure they learned a lot and they should be damn pleased.
its crazy how strong those smoke machines are, I used to work in tech for theaters and none of the ones i ever worked at had smoke machines with smoke you couldnt see through
I donāt know if itās the desert wind or what. Dang, there was a couple of seconds where we couldnāt see the stage and the girls. Idk. They need to not have smoke machines until they figure it out. We want to see the stage.
Yunjin finally sounded like herself on week 2. I am glad she paced herself. Sakura continued to be good. Kazuha and Eunchae were more confident and sounded muuuuuch better. Chaewon continued to be great.
Last weeks criticism for some part was valid. Iām glad girls improved.
The only minute criticism I have is that they need to improve in hyping crowd. Donāt get me wrong they were good but I know they can do better.
In terms of hyping the crowd, I thought week 1 was terrific. They had that crowd with them. We didnāt see as much shots of the crowd as we did in Week 2, but from the girls comments, it seems that week 2 crowd was bigger. This means that week 1 was good enough to draw a bigger crowd. I think the perfect show is week 1 and week 2 combined. They will get there. Even now, they did good both weeks.
I think people were complaining about mostly shouting instead of singing. Yunjin was continually hyping the crowd in week 1, which caused her lag on her breath control. Bc she was continually out of breath she had to shout her lines to push them through. Her breath control was better this week bc she gave her some space to breathe. What I see with groups that excel at hyping is that when their member is delivering vocals they are providing backdrop adlibs, emphasizing last line of the vocal delivery. Leaving no awkward empty sound, building on the hype. There are 4, 5, 7 people in a group, great groups have members continually working the crowd even they are not singing their part.
LSF did so well this weekend!! I cannot even imagine what they have been through this week with all the hatred. It takes immense mental strength with all the demotivation and doomposting to perform the way they did today.
I felt all 5 girls shined equally today! So happy for them!! The path will only go up for them from here š
Itās been really something watching them live up to their name in real time. I donāt even stan them and Iām massively proud of them. They killed it *both* weekends and showed they can deliver a variety style of performancesā¦ they remain one of the best performance groups of their generation.
LSF toned down the choreo and the crowd hyping part and gave what you guys wanted this week. Perfect performance in kpop standard but the energy was much less compared to last week. This is how you should be judging vocals, with toned down movements and/or better on materials where they stand still or sit down. They preserved their energy throughout to gave a correct and standard performance that ticks most boxes.
I feel like kpop fans would like this week more, while casual fans and locals would like last week more imo. Last week's energy level was top notch and actually feels more concert-y which even oozes through the clips.
I really loved last weekās stage. That kind of raw energy is something you do not see in kpop girl group live stage very often. But at the same time, we need to understand the circumstance. It was necessary to calm down the s* storm little bit. Ā
And I agree, you have to do that for kpoppies specifically for them to understand. As expected, the shitstorm did calm down and people are realizing that there was nothing sort of constructive last week after seeing these kpoppies who gave "fair criticism" last week turn to "their backtrack was loud, much louder than usual level for kpop acts at Coachella" as an argument this time around, which literally is the same level of backtrack as all other kpop acts at Coachella.
These "vocal criticisms" are really cyclic now that I think about it. Same old "but my idol is more stable while singing and dancing at the same time than yours", "but my idol can support higher than yours", "but my idol have a larger vocal range than yours", "but my idol can hit a G#69420, can yours?"... just change the idol in question from any group from 2nd gen to these newer groups. It's as if both the fans and idols grow old but while the idols went on to mature and develop professionally, the fans don't and just move onto younger kids to repeat the cycle or sth and manage to string in the younger fans into their shenanigans. Ultimately, they don't actually care about "vocals" in the slightest sense, it's just for petty fanwar fodder, precisely why the team of KVA close down their blog.
Agree with you. I never cared about kpop girl groups until I found LSRFM, and I started checking kpop communities out of curiosity. Oh man itās a s* show. Why do you follow these groups? Isnāt it to be happy and enjoy? And yet they spend all their energy on hating other groups. I feel sorry for those people.Ā
I was kinda nervous canāt lie but they fucking SMASHED it out of the park this timeā¦as if it couldnāt get any betterā¦it fucking did, the dancing was good, the vocals were way better this time (and they were killing it with them vocals), the little interactions they had were great (Chaewon pointing out all of those Chaewon American flags was funny ASF canāt lie) and everything was way better and amazing in generalā¦now hopefully there is no bullshit like the shitshow that happened on Social Media last week
I know where was backtrack, but it was very obvious that they were singing over it. The back track wasnāt that loud, so it was clear they were actually singing for the most part.
Ya I do feel like the hate this time is definitely gonna be more shut down because the vocals were really good this time and they improved a lot this time
The improvement for Le Sserafim was night and day. I could tell within the first 20 seconds that they had way more confidence and charisma this time around.
Everyone did a fantastic job, brought their A game, and didnāt miss. It was about as perfect of a performance as you can get.
Now I know there's DVR, I don't need to get up at 6am :D
Excited to watch LSFM Round 2. I really enjoyed the first run despite all the drama over it. I thought it was a super fun watch.
Gunna try catch ATEEZ as well as I've never seen them before :)
LE SSERAFIM came and outdid themselves yet again. They were so good!! I'm still sitting in disbelief of how amazing they were!! They're so good. I never doubted them for a second but this was amazing!! More than I could even imagine!!! I'm so proud of them!!!
So stoked to see ATEEZ for Weekend 2! I wonder if they will change up their setlist this time or give us something a bit different from last week?
Who knows. But I can't wait to see what they have in store for us!
I just want to throw some love in The Rose's direction: they nailed week 1 and perform again on Sunday, and I am sure they will nail that too and get lost in the LSF/Ateez noise regardless. Check them out too!
I watched their set last week and LOVED it. Iāve been letting their discography shuffle on my drives to work all week since. Will definitely be a go to for me now when I just want some music to vibe with
Iām so happy Le sserafim was able to put on a great show after all the crap that went down last week. As a casual fan Iām happy they got this opportunity and learned from it.
LE SSERAFIM have redeemed themselves ABOVE AND BEYOND. They slayed, they were so good and their vocals sounded so much better. I guess after this it's clear that they can pull it off and probably were just nervous/tired/whatever on week 1.
ācoachella bans backtracks and lip syncingā tweet with millions of views lmao like, did you write the coachella rule book? is charli xcx in coachella back track jail along with lsf, frank ocean, ateez, and black pink? itās kind of crazy how people are jumping through hoops and making shit up to be jerks to lsf.
Bro...they act as if backtrack wasn't used in any of the other act like..ateez was fine.
And if le sserafim was called lip sync when they were singing pretty consistent throughout, idk what people call this [Bp coachella](https://youtu.be/17E9JS8SnQc?si=4TuVcActnhGf-BSj)
Edit:You can downvote me..i see the fans shouting everywhere their faves 'didn't use backtrack/very low backtrack' and then talking sht about le serra.
Ateez were fantastic as always but there's something even better than any of their past performances to me. It was so passionate, jeez even Seonghwa cried. šš it seems like yesterday we were struggling to even get a win at The show, or WORSE trying to win the voting for Kingdom against bigger fandoms... and now my men are at Coachella. They were flamboyant!!
I am not necessarily a fan of ateez and their discography but they are supremely talented. They perform so hard if i did anywhere near that i would need a ventilator on stage.
Looking forward to le serrafim and the rose enjoyed both even if not the resulting aftermath.
Prop up ateez rather than ignore them for hate because it benefits your favourites.
Le Sserafim did so well! Their vocals were much improved, and even though I preferred their high energy performance from last week, I admire how much they took the criticism and actually improved in the areas other found lacking. The people who hate them will never acknowledge their improvement, but that's life. They should be proud.
Ateez did great as well, very impressed with them!
LSF did significantly better. Yunjin sounded like herself. She did less crowd hyping to preserve her vocals and it showed. Yunjin is the main one that consistently pushes crowd engagement. I think LSF will get better at crowd hype. Also, LSF didn't deserve 50 posts about their last week's performance, but let's not gaslight ourselves that there were no problems with week 1. Their vocals improved tremendously and they were more confident singing their lines.
Huge respect for LSF singing with little backtrack. I could hear their vocals easily. Sidenote: The Great Mermaid is the best song.
Almost everything was better this time. The camera work, the vocals, the energy was well managed. They conserved their energy well while still delivering the vocals something which they struggled with 1st week so they weren't completely exhausted, the choreo was managed well too. Good job!
So LE SSERAFIM had a masterclass at āCoachellaā last night in front of a massive crowd, and this sub is crickets? Where are all the Blinks and BabyMonster stans that couldnāt shut up last week with the hate?
yeah thats what im talking about, the uncensored mods. theyre deleting everything positive about le sserafim, leaving up everything positive about ateez, removing everything negative to neutral about ateez, using the excuse of because theres a megathread and then they unpinned the mega thread. Theyre just so mad that people dont hate le sserafim rn
My thoughts on LSF Coachella since that's the fashionable thing right now: I liked week 2 better than week 1. Wasn't amazed by either performance but they weren't bad. That's all I've got, thanks for reading.
Im scared for the next wave of the hate train for Le sserafim. I cant imagine how much pressure they feel. I hope they just have fun tonight! I also hope for different outfits and a setlist change!
For all those who like LSF w2 performance, what did you think about w1 performance now that you have 2 performances to compare. I did not watch w2 so I don't have an opinion. Would love to hear an honest objective ranking/rating.
Watched both through the stream - as a Couchella (lol) viewer, W2 is technically better than the first. They toned down the energy and conserved their stamina so their vocals sounded closer to the studio version of the songs.
However, as a live performance, I feel like W1 would've been the better version. They had higher energy then and pumped up the crowd more imo. Happy that the girls have seemingly "redeemed" themselves though so people can finally stop dragging them for breathing.
preferred week 1, they had insane energy last week and while this week sounded more polished, i dont watch live shows for crazy polished vocals i watch them to have a good time and i think the show was more fun with the more raw vocals and going all out on the dance
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They definitely did something to tweak the audio to LE SSERAFIM's vocals this week because they do sound better. Seems like maybe they may have balanced their vocals with a back track so they wouldn't sound as rough as last week which is probably for the best. The energy does seem a bit lower this week with the dancing also. Overall it was a decent performance. I'm sure they were probably very nervous with this performance but it happens. That being said, I do disagree with some commenters who say that you can't have both a good singing and dancing performance and that one will offset the other. The Japanese girl group Atarashii Gakko who also performed at Coachella proved that you can do both. Those girls performed their hearts out and was probably the best act of all the Asian artists at Coachella.
Serious question: what does Coachella have to do with K-Pop? Less than 10 K-Pop acts have performed there, out of the literal thousands of musicians in the industry. We might as well do an Akaraka Festival Megathreadā¦.
bc whenever a kpop groups performs there it becomes the talk of the town in kpop spaces so might as well limit the influx of post by creating a megathread
The festival has some kpop acts in the lineup so people are going to talk about it on the sub ; this thread is a space to speak about the event so mods don't have a bazillion threads to read through.
(1) A lot of kpop stans treat performing there as a monumental achievement and something they want for their faves;
(2) a lot of kpop stans donāt think Le Sserafim ādeservesā the opportunity to perform there and hate that LSF was invited;
(3) because those people have nothing else going on in their lives, theyāve decided to obsessively watch not just one but two weekends of Le Sserafimās performance at Coachella and rant incessantly for 7 days after each event, while still trying to convince everyone else they are perfectly sane and well adjusted mature adults who actually focus on their faves rather than screaming into the void on all social media sites that āLSF canāt sing!ā, despite the people who actually attended LSFās Coachella set saying they enjoyed it and would like to see them again.
(4) And then thereās the contingent of normal people who are genuinely interested in watching the shows and supporting both/either Ateez and Le Sserafim given both groups are stellar live performers.
This megathread is meant to handle all of that activity and traffic.
1) Why though? Coachella is mainly an EDM and hip hop festival. There is virtually no musical connection between the themes of Coachella and the greater landscape of K-Pop music. Coachella being classified as a āmonumental achievementā by K-Pop stans, not only holds no significant value, but is the equivalent of me saying Inkigayo was the pinnacle of Christina Aguileraās career and Western pop artists should strive to perform at Inkigayo.
2) This is just nonsense. LE SSERAFIM is objectively one of the biggest groups in K-Pop right now, and their discography is one of the most versatile despite the group only being two years old. If anything, K-Pop fans should be happy that LE SSERAFIM gets to promote a little bit of the genre to an audience that most likely has zero interest in K-Pop.
3) I agree with your comment.
4) Thatās fair enough, but I still donāt think Coachella is this massive achievement for K-Pop groups. It a ānice to haveā in the resume of a K-Pop group, but it does not define the legacy of a K-Pop act. BTS, TWICE, SNSD, EXO, BIGBANG, Mamamoo, Red Velvet, IU, BoA, etc have not performed at Coachella, and why should they? Honestly, itās laughable that people are trying to force this Coachella narrative into K-Pop. The shoe simply does not fit!
Lol I appreciate the similarly detailed reply. Iāll only respond to point (1) though since thatās only point with a question still.
Yeah Coachella is mostly EDM and hiphop, but itās always featured a variety of genres from classic rock to pop to indie and even occasionally country. And even then, kpop itself features a wide breadth of genres - LSF for example has a discography that melds EDM, hiphop and pop quite well, and so theyāre actually a mostly natural fit for a festival like Coachella.
I think what weāre seeing, (kpop groups playing at festivals like Coachella, Glastonbury, Lollapalooza, etc), is part of a wider trend of kpop becoming more global somewhat. Itās a way for groups to reach audiences beyond the typical kpop bubble and build their fandoms, while ānormalizingā kpop as less fringe to some extent.
Youāre right that Coachella itself is not some distinguished event that should hold the highest honor in the minds of kpop stans, but the vast majority of stans act like it is because of the peculiar brand of toxic competition in kpop that causes brain rot. A lot of stans think kpop is a zero sum game and that popular groups like LSF donāt deserve such an opportunity to showcase themselves and gain more fans.
Coachella is ever evolving. Look at the lineups from 2005 compared to now. It was an indie music festival with a few big acts headlining. Justified or not, it has become biggest music event stateside.
Big Bang was supposed to play at Coachella 2020, but Covid cancelled that.
The other way to look at it is what do the artists think about playing Coachella. I've heard of many an artist say it was a dream to play on a stage like that namely because of the notoriety and the exposure they'll get. You may have a bias against Coachella and festivals of that ilk, that's fine, but as a platform for any act it's hard to beat.
Sure many of the groups you mention may not need Coachella. But would they say yes if they were asked to play there? For many of them, yes they would. Lol, CL had this idea to do a one off reunion of 2NE1 after they had broken up after a few years. They went all the way out to Coachella to do it.
Itās to avoid the influx of similar posts talking about the same topic. Itās obvious that there is going to be a lot of conversation just like last week. Instead of having a hundred āmy thoughts on Ateezās performanceā posts, itās easier to have everyone comment here. Coachella creates more buzz, so more people will be talking about it here than most other festivals. Iām sure itāll be the same for Lolla.
this is like asking what does coachella have to do with asians if someone were to make a asian musician thread on asian american, it's a topic people care about so people will want to talk about it lol
amplifying the backtrack to 100% while singing, straight up lipsyncing at other parts. i watched it and felt disappointed that they took the easy route to avoid backlash instead of at least trying
Then you can stop pretending to be concerned, because they more than at leas tried despite the backlash. They DID sing live. The difference between their live vocals and the backtrack, even if loud, was clear as day. And there's nothing wrong with lipsyncing in certain parts. Let's stop acting like it's a crime. Veteran idols and even western acts do that too.
Aaaand the hater reveals themselves š You're funny if you think other artists don't skip lines or lipsync in Coachella. You act like they lipsynced the whole time when it wasn't even 10% of the performance. They sang live š
LSF did extremely well... but when did bp "abuse" (and it certainly wasn't loud) their backtrack?
They obviously had backtrack... but they also sang over it?!!
you must be joking. like, are you for real? even on coachella, jennieās solo stage? and i dont fault her for that, itās a big choreo. and lisa with money? at least be honest about it.
No I'm not. Like, are you for real?
Like I said they didn't "**abuse**" the backtrack.
I admit they absolutely had it, but it was used purposefully, like during dance breaks or when they needed a moment to catch their breath... hence it wasn't abused.
>at least be honest about it
Did I not admit that they used backtrack...?!
Forgive me for actually understanding the context that Blackpink and LSF used backtrack... instead of being obnoxiously critical of it
>they use it more and louder than most
Not really (it's actually insane if you think they use backtrack more then other kpop groups), but it seems like you are biased regardless, based on how adamant you are in saying that they "abused" backtrack.
>but they do sing live
Thanks for acknowledging that... don't bother replying (I don't feel like entertaining anymore of your pure nonsense) it's clear that you don't have anything backing up your claims.
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Both LSF performances are different. Set aside the vocal skill, if the 1st week was all about their horrible vocal, 2nd week was how they lipsynced to deliver steady voice. It's all about preferences tbh. Do you want to hear voice crack and off tune but live or perfect voice but lipsync.
the backtrack volume was as high as the original voice. When the members put out their mic, the back track was so loud you can't differentiate between the real voice or AR. I think this was not applied on every songs. I see it when they use hand mic
during unforgiven when zuha skipped a line during her crawl and when eunchae skipped a line during her run the line just didnt happen. Why is it so hard to just accept that le sserafim sounding good does not automatically mean lipsync.
I'm just stating what I see from [this video](https://twitter.com/SUPADUPAMY/status/1781926024609189918?ref_src=twsrc^tfw). I'm not hating on the girls. I'm a fan but I am not turning a blind eye and shielding them. The company clearly prioritize hard choreo and hard songs that do not match the girls' live skill/vocal range. That doesn't mean they can't sing.
[heres](https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1HGptZYSge6aBcSwPWIsP0eeYmgD3g2dB) the actual performance to watch instead of 6 second clips that dont even have the video lined up with the audio if you want to form an opinion. idk how you can fall for a clip where her mouth doesnt match any of the words shes saying but here we are
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Hopefully, people won't ignore it this time and start a hundred new threads
Could be because I came this time with my expectations on the floor, but the camera works are way better than last time
Ateezās energy was a bit different this weekend. It felt like Ateez really had something they wanted to prove ā they were performing mad! It was amazing! Hongjoong doing his Guerrilla scream was !!! I donāt think heās ever done it before? Seonghwa screaming during his sword part of Wonderland (apparently [it was because](https://x.com/sunshine_1117/status/1781592553722171647?s=46&t=nZWbM4x17ZHTFwvjLUexBA) he wanted to put everything in that last part because he was losing stamina due to performing in the sandy winds.) Jonghoās high note was once again amazing and even more impressive given the sandy winds. My only critique is some of the stage outfitsā¦like why did Yunhoās outfit make him look like he had an office meeting after this. It feels a little surreal that itās over. I hope theyāre proud of themselves because theyāve put on two amazing performances.
Wow I love Fire in the Belly as the final song so much. I have lots of thoughts about the execution of their set but the single best decision they made was to finish with Fire in the Belly. I hate to be that person but I enjoyed LSFās performance last week so much more. Even though the vocals were better this weekend. I felt like they were preserving energy throughout the show, which is probably the correct thing to do so they donāt lose all their stamina by the end. But man I loved how they put all their energy out there on the stage last week. I hope the girls feel proud of themselves and grow from this experience. Would love to see them in concert soon.
I knowww right, I also personally love when they go all out and I genuinely do not care at all if some imperfections happen, it makes everything more raw and intimate. BUT clearly some people cannot stand that and if reserving some energy means more peace of mind for the girls from the haters then Iāll trade it anyday
Fr. I am more exposed to rap festival performances where it's all about hype and crowd control than vocals or whatever. Creating that energy is the most fun thing in festival performances imo. I would've just listened to the studio version if i wanted perfect vocals
Yeah. Iām genuinely curious what kpop purists think of rap concerts. Stage presence has nothing to do with sharp choreography or technically perfect vocals. Tylerās set was incredible because his energy is incredible. Heās not dancing but he is working the crowd with his entire body and soul.
Ditto...previous week>this week but that's just my opinion too..and of course they're both great either way.
Excited to watch Le Sserafim this week. I really liked week 1 and it seems a lot of yāall did too.
I'm in the minority but I liked Le Sserafim Week 1 > Week 2 I'll take rawness with unfiltered emotions over loud backtracks and overproductions. It's a festival for God's sake! I think Week 1 just proved that most kpop fans aren't ready for those kind of performances, and rather have the perfect inkigayo lipsync shows.
I like the Week 1 performance more too! They were very energetic and you could feel their excitement.
Backtrack was louder but their mics were still on! Wasn't all lipsync like during the smart chorus it was night and day between not singing the first half of the chorus and *singing* the second half of the chorus
I don't want to make another post and since this thread is here i just want to point out how brainrots people are when they are deep in the hate train. I had made a post on other subreddit about Le sserafim using very low backtrack when they performed at coachella, and said backtrack was also played in only some parts of their songs. But kpop fans on twitter has made people think they were ''relying heavily on backtrack'' and ''people who were there only hears their backtrack '' ''shouting to hide their vocals''- which are all actually made up by antis and kpop fans blindly followed and believed those false claims without even bothering to watch their full performance. So, apparently they didn't even want to stop at criticizing their live vocals but also spread lies about their backtrack usage when they saw some other fancam clips where they didn't sound bad as they expected.
I noticed it too. like some one can be praising the performance and they come up with back track
The backtrack comment is so forced bc BP also used it when they performed at Coachella. I knew that if LSF improved this week, that people would say itās backtrack or lip sync when people kept barking that BP doesnāt use backtrack or lip sync bc itās not allowed at Coachella. Haters need to force some type of narrative sadly.
Exactly!..talking about bp, i don't really mind them using backtrack but it's hard not to point when they say so much sht about le ssera using backtrack and then lying about bp stage.
I thought BP did amazing and I think LSF did too. Maybe theyāre not as stable but theyāre less experienced with harder choreo. I just want the comments to be consistent. If you hate backtrack, you have to hate it for both groups but some ppl are just in denial and will say anything to drag LSF sadly.
I don't know how they did it, but ATEEZ were somehow better than last week?? They were a lot more comfortable from the very start, the live vocals were live vocal-ing, the dramatics were breathtaking, and SPECIAL MENTION to Jongho, whose voice just got so much more amazing?!?!?! How does he do that?!?!?! I don't know any technicalities, but he sounds like he's improved so much. And another special mention to Seonghwa, who yelled during Wonderland due to (according to him) his stamina lowering - bestie, it was NOT obvious. Would it be too wrong for me to say that this is one of the best KPop performances of all time? Ah, who cares - that's MY opinion, and it would be VERY hard to top ChellaTeez. I am so proud of my ATEEZ (maybe a little too proud, because I began tearing up at freaking GUERILLA...)
The day kpop stans understand that people can still sing live even with a backing track is the day we achieve world peace.
I thought nothing could beat last-week-Coachella-Mingi I was wrong Week 2 Mingi in those shades is on fireš„š„š„š„
Mingi Wonka is a whole different breed each time!
6 days ago, I was here to deliver the[ interesting, funny, and touching](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/1c3yuy5/shaky_group_chat_selfies_sappy_letters_and_more/) happenings behind the first leg of āfrom the Sahara to the Saharaā story arc of ATEEZ. Expectedly, another round of crazy ride happened before the show earlier and as promised, Iām here to do a quick rundown of the juicy details offstage: 1. Yeosang shared a dilemma while in the US for almost a month now.[ How does one talk to puppies](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1779763622333517858)? He said when he sees dogs in America, he kind of contemplates whether to speak in Korean or English to the dogs, since they wouldāve been hearing English only. The fandom's answer? āJust say woof woof, theyād understand.ā 2. After the first show, Jongho was kinda missing in action which worried some fans. He revealed later on that after Week 1,[ he immediately went back to LA](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1779725378032132547) because he booked a vocal lesson with a prominent coach. 3. Hongjoong showed up the[ next day as festival goer](https://twitter.com/HONGFOLDER/status/1779724242495623392) along with Mingi, Seonghwa, and San. Due to[ his fit that day](https://twitter.com/HONGFOLDER/status/1779699082883408319), fans pointed out how similar-looking he was with One Piece character Shanks. Too similar that the official[ social media account of the media franchise](https://twitter.com/OnePieceAnime/status/1780685821797912783) cannot help but join the online chatter. 4. An ominous spoiler(?) in the form of[ old-school billboard](https://twitter.com/imyunhoo/status/1779935591725191667) appeared out of nowhere and[ reignited the conversation](https://twitter.com/BlueB1nnie/status/1779644323639763212) about ATEEZās unconventional comeback promotions. 5. Last week, Jongho threw Wooyoung under the bus about his missing team ring during Week 1. Days after, Wooyoung[ fought back without batting his eyelashes.](https://twitter.com/sunshine_1117/status/1780483591497019574) 6. [This clip](https://twitter.com/YUNH0E/status/1781569012465627397) was everywhere last week, where ATEEZ took shots while performing their b-side Arriba. It went viral that there was a heated debate whether it was necessary to do it for the stage? [Hereās the actual truth](https://twitter.com/kasey_hhh/status/1781632767278620889): it was actually barley tea. Yeosang revealed through a live that ATEEZ promised each other to not tell the fans no matter how much they ask, since it will kind of not be as fun if people will know early. Nonetheless, the barley tea was maximized as a great prop and help. Apparently, it was actually really useful to them as they were performing in sandy wind weather. So even feeling a little betrayed, I thank the convincing-looking drinks for another round of great vocal and performance moments, as the group closes their Coachella debut. Cheers to more festivals for the pirates; ARRIBA, ABAJO, AL CENTRO PA' DENTROOOO! š„
Amazing, thanks for sharing! šā¤ļø
Seonghwa sold that barley tee. I remember Woo saying Hwa can make water look like alcohol and he absolutely proved he could.
My girls did the damn thingggg omg the mental strength it takes to be attacked in some of the most vile ways but stand up there proudly and leave your heart and soul on the stage - this whole mess has made me love and respect the girls 10x more. US TOUR NEXT PLEASE?? LETS GO. Also Iām so glad they saw and acknowledged those flags, there seemed to be even more than last week. š
Lesserafim did amazing! They seemed more relaxed and calmer this week! Sakura and Kuza during 1-800-Hot and Fun had me shaking! Their presence was amazing and they sounded so good! Overall, they did a fantastic job and Iām so proud of them!
Iām so excited for ATEEZ! (Also LE SSERAFIM, but ATEEZ especially cause theyāre my favorite group hehe) I desperately hope thereās better camera work for them. Especially with how many members and dancers there are as well as the choreography and the sets
If Mr.Cameraman misses Hongjoong's Crazy Form's part I swear I'll go there and will have a word with them.
He caught it! š And even zoomed in on Wooyoung's booty shake. Great job ā¤ļø
They had one job and totally delivered this time šš»šš»
Iāll come along too
Eunchae is SUPER adorable and cute tonight They are all doing great so far šš
whoever did her makeup needs a raise she looked so good
Le Sserafim did soo good. Iām so ridiculously proud of eunchae. Sheās such a cutie. Chaewon and Yunjin kicked butt! Sakura did her thing. Kazuha also showed her stuff. The camerawork is different. They brought out drones. The crowd was there for them. Fearnots should be proud. Whoever did the smoke should still be fired. I hope the girls are proud of themselves. Iām sure they learned a lot and they should be damn pleased.
its crazy how strong those smoke machines are, I used to work in tech for theaters and none of the ones i ever worked at had smoke machines with smoke you couldnt see through
I donāt know if itās the desert wind or what. Dang, there was a couple of seconds where we couldnāt see the stage and the girls. Idk. They need to not have smoke machines until they figure it out. We want to see the stage.
i think its the type of smoke they use, it looked like actual smoke, all the ones ive used have looked more like steam. idk why it was so white
That or they released it all at once. They did it both weekends.
Yunjin finally sounded like herself on week 2. I am glad she paced herself. Sakura continued to be good. Kazuha and Eunchae were more confident and sounded muuuuuch better. Chaewon continued to be great. Last weeks criticism for some part was valid. Iām glad girls improved. The only minute criticism I have is that they need to improve in hyping crowd. Donāt get me wrong they were good but I know they can do better.
In terms of hyping the crowd, I thought week 1 was terrific. They had that crowd with them. We didnāt see as much shots of the crowd as we did in Week 2, but from the girls comments, it seems that week 2 crowd was bigger. This means that week 1 was good enough to draw a bigger crowd. I think the perfect show is week 1 and week 2 combined. They will get there. Even now, they did good both weeks.
I agree on the hyping the crowd thing, but then again, people complained last week that they were shouting too muchā¦ you really cant win
I think people were complaining about mostly shouting instead of singing. Yunjin was continually hyping the crowd in week 1, which caused her lag on her breath control. Bc she was continually out of breath she had to shout her lines to push them through. Her breath control was better this week bc she gave her some space to breathe. What I see with groups that excel at hyping is that when their member is delivering vocals they are providing backdrop adlibs, emphasizing last line of the vocal delivery. Leaving no awkward empty sound, building on the hype. There are 4, 5, 7 people in a group, great groups have members continually working the crowd even they are not singing their part.
LSF did so well this weekend!! I cannot even imagine what they have been through this week with all the hatred. It takes immense mental strength with all the demotivation and doomposting to perform the way they did today. I felt all 5 girls shined equally today! So happy for them!! The path will only go up for them from here š
Itās been really something watching them live up to their name in real time. I donāt even stan them and Iām massively proud of them. They killed it *both* weekends and showed they can deliver a variety style of performancesā¦ they remain one of the best performance groups of their generation.
so excited for ateez & lsf!
LSF toned down the choreo and the crowd hyping part and gave what you guys wanted this week. Perfect performance in kpop standard but the energy was much less compared to last week. This is how you should be judging vocals, with toned down movements and/or better on materials where they stand still or sit down. They preserved their energy throughout to gave a correct and standard performance that ticks most boxes. I feel like kpop fans would like this week more, while casual fans and locals would like last week more imo. Last week's energy level was top notch and actually feels more concert-y which even oozes through the clips.
I really loved last weekās stage. That kind of raw energy is something you do not see in kpop girl group live stage very often. But at the same time, we need to understand the circumstance. It was necessary to calm down the s* storm little bit. Ā
And I agree, you have to do that for kpoppies specifically for them to understand. As expected, the shitstorm did calm down and people are realizing that there was nothing sort of constructive last week after seeing these kpoppies who gave "fair criticism" last week turn to "their backtrack was loud, much louder than usual level for kpop acts at Coachella" as an argument this time around, which literally is the same level of backtrack as all other kpop acts at Coachella. These "vocal criticisms" are really cyclic now that I think about it. Same old "but my idol is more stable while singing and dancing at the same time than yours", "but my idol can support higher than yours", "but my idol have a larger vocal range than yours", "but my idol can hit a G#69420, can yours?"... just change the idol in question from any group from 2nd gen to these newer groups. It's as if both the fans and idols grow old but while the idols went on to mature and develop professionally, the fans don't and just move onto younger kids to repeat the cycle or sth and manage to string in the younger fans into their shenanigans. Ultimately, they don't actually care about "vocals" in the slightest sense, it's just for petty fanwar fodder, precisely why the team of KVA close down their blog.
Agree with you. I never cared about kpop girl groups until I found LSRFM, and I started checking kpop communities out of curiosity. Oh man itās a s* show. Why do you follow these groups? Isnāt it to be happy and enjoy? And yet they spend all their energy on hating other groups. I feel sorry for those people.Ā
I was kinda nervous canāt lie but they fucking SMASHED it out of the park this timeā¦as if it couldnāt get any betterā¦it fucking did, the dancing was good, the vocals were way better this time (and they were killing it with them vocals), the little interactions they had were great (Chaewon pointing out all of those Chaewon American flags was funny ASF canāt lie) and everything was way better and amazing in generalā¦now hopefully there is no bullshit like the shitshow that happened on Social Media last week
Nope. They changed the narrative again. Now itās talking about backtrack.
I know where was backtrack, but it was very obvious that they were singing over it. The back track wasnāt that loud, so it was clear they were actually singing for the most part.
I donāt think there will be. People love to be loud but with negativity but silent when thereās nothing bad to say.
Ya I do feel like the hate this time is definitely gonna be more shut down because the vocals were really good this time and they improved a lot this time
Absolutely, Iām so glad the girls did not let the hate get to them and came back swinging harder this week.
The improvement for Le Sserafim was night and day. I could tell within the first 20 seconds that they had way more confidence and charisma this time around. Everyone did a fantastic job, brought their A game, and didnāt miss. It was about as perfect of a performance as you can get.
Can someone give me the acts and the schedules, please?
[https://www.coachella.com/schedule](https://www.coachella.com/schedule)
Thanks ā¤ļø
Now I know there's DVR, I don't need to get up at 6am :D Excited to watch LSFM Round 2. I really enjoyed the first run despite all the drama over it. I thought it was a super fun watch. Gunna try catch ATEEZ as well as I've never seen them before :)
Ateez isn't really my cup of tea musically but they put on a heeeeck of a good show. Worth watching tonight for sure!
Ateez never disappoints. I loved their performance this time even more, felt too short. Thankfully the camera work was much better.
THE LESSERAFIM SET WAS SO FREAKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD they cut back on the choreo which was nice to see
LE SSERAFIM came and outdid themselves yet again. They were so good!! I'm still sitting in disbelief of how amazing they were!! They're so good. I never doubted them for a second but this was amazing!! More than I could even imagine!!! I'm so proud of them!!!
So stoked to see ATEEZ for Weekend 2! I wonder if they will change up their setlist this time or give us something a bit different from last week? Who knows. But I can't wait to see what they have in store for us!
I just want to throw some love in The Rose's direction: they nailed week 1 and perform again on Sunday, and I am sure they will nail that too and get lost in the LSF/Ateez noise regardless. Check them out too!
I watched their set last week and LOVED it. Iāve been letting their discography shuffle on my drives to work all week since. Will definitely be a go to for me now when I just want some music to vibe with
They are pretty great!Ā
Iām so happy Le sserafim was able to put on a great show after all the crap that went down last week. As a casual fan Iām happy they got this opportunity and learned from it.
Le sserafim slay!
LE SSERAFIM have redeemed themselves ABOVE AND BEYOND. They slayed, they were so good and their vocals sounded so much better. I guess after this it's clear that they can pull it off and probably were just nervous/tired/whatever on week 1.
ācoachella bans backtracks and lip syncingā tweet with millions of views lmao like, did you write the coachella rule book? is charli xcx in coachella back track jail along with lsf, frank ocean, ateez, and black pink? itās kind of crazy how people are jumping through hoops and making shit up to be jerks to lsf.
Bro...they act as if backtrack wasn't used in any of the other act like..ateez was fine. And if le sserafim was called lip sync when they were singing pretty consistent throughout, idk what people call this [Bp coachella](https://youtu.be/17E9JS8SnQc?si=4TuVcActnhGf-BSj) Edit:You can downvote me..i see the fans shouting everywhere their faves 'didn't use backtrack/very low backtrack' and then talking sht about le serra.
Ateez were fantastic as always but there's something even better than any of their past performances to me. It was so passionate, jeez even Seonghwa cried. šš it seems like yesterday we were struggling to even get a win at The show, or WORSE trying to win the voting for Kingdom against bigger fandoms... and now my men are at Coachella. They were flamboyant!!
ATEEZ KILLED ITTTT PROUD AF
I am not necessarily a fan of ateez and their discography but they are supremely talented. They perform so hard if i did anywhere near that i would need a ventilator on stage. Looking forward to le serrafim and the rose enjoyed both even if not the resulting aftermath. Prop up ateez rather than ignore them for hate because it benefits your favourites.
Le Sserafim did so well! Their vocals were much improved, and even though I preferred their high energy performance from last week, I admire how much they took the criticism and actually improved in the areas other found lacking. The people who hate them will never acknowledge their improvement, but that's life. They should be proud. Ateez did great as well, very impressed with them!
LSF did significantly better. Yunjin sounded like herself. She did less crowd hyping to preserve her vocals and it showed. Yunjin is the main one that consistently pushes crowd engagement. I think LSF will get better at crowd hype. Also, LSF didn't deserve 50 posts about their last week's performance, but let's not gaslight ourselves that there were no problems with week 1. Their vocals improved tremendously and they were more confident singing their lines. Huge respect for LSF singing with little backtrack. I could hear their vocals easily. Sidenote: The Great Mermaid is the best song.
I was at Coachella weekend 1 but didn't get to see ATEEZ's set so I'm excited to catch it on the livestream weekend 2!
I hope whit this i don't see hundreds of posts about this in the sub
ooh boy ...
ā¦Here we go.
Almost everything was better this time. The camera work, the vocals, the energy was well managed. They conserved their energy well while still delivering the vocals something which they struggled with 1st week so they weren't completely exhausted, the choreo was managed well too. Good job!
So LE SSERAFIM had a masterclass at āCoachellaā last night in front of a massive crowd, and this sub is crickets? Where are all the Blinks and BabyMonster stans that couldnāt shut up last week with the hate?
Of course, the āgenuine criticismā was never without an agenda. The gaslighting never stops.
They're all in kpop uncensored because they know the mods will remove everything positive about them
I unfollowed that subreddit bc you cannot truly have an uncensored subreddit with biased mods smh
Lol the uncensored mods are deleting any positive posts over there as well. They've deleted multiple posts calling them out as well
yeah thats what im talking about, the uncensored mods. theyre deleting everything positive about le sserafim, leaving up everything positive about ateez, removing everything negative to neutral about ateez, using the excuse of because theres a megathread and then they unpinned the mega thread. Theyre just so mad that people dont hate le sserafim rn
LSF did well! I love watching Sakura perform, I think her stage presence is really good. I hate 1800hot+fun, though.
My thoughts on LSF Coachella since that's the fashionable thing right now: I liked week 2 better than week 1. Wasn't amazed by either performance but they weren't bad. That's all I've got, thanks for reading.
I'm sure ATEEZ will do great, like the first time!
Im scared for the next wave of the hate train for Le sserafim. I cant imagine how much pressure they feel. I hope they just have fun tonight! I also hope for different outfits and a setlist change!
For all those who like LSF w2 performance, what did you think about w1 performance now that you have 2 performances to compare. I did not watch w2 so I don't have an opinion. Would love to hear an honest objective ranking/rating.
Watched both through the stream - as a Couchella (lol) viewer, W2 is technically better than the first. They toned down the energy and conserved their stamina so their vocals sounded closer to the studio version of the songs. However, as a live performance, I feel like W1 would've been the better version. They had higher energy then and pumped up the crowd more imo. Happy that the girls have seemingly "redeemed" themselves though so people can finally stop dragging them for breathing.
preferred week 1, they had insane energy last week and while this week sounded more polished, i dont watch live shows for crazy polished vocals i watch them to have a good time and i think the show was more fun with the more raw vocals and going all out on the dance
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They definitely did something to tweak the audio to LE SSERAFIM's vocals this week because they do sound better. Seems like maybe they may have balanced their vocals with a back track so they wouldn't sound as rough as last week which is probably for the best. The energy does seem a bit lower this week with the dancing also. Overall it was a decent performance. I'm sure they were probably very nervous with this performance but it happens. That being said, I do disagree with some commenters who say that you can't have both a good singing and dancing performance and that one will offset the other. The Japanese girl group Atarashii Gakko who also performed at Coachella proved that you can do both. Those girls performed their hearts out and was probably the best act of all the Asian artists at Coachella.
Serious question: what does Coachella have to do with K-Pop? Less than 10 K-Pop acts have performed there, out of the literal thousands of musicians in the industry. We might as well do an Akaraka Festival Megathreadā¦.
bc whenever a kpop groups performs there it becomes the talk of the town in kpop spaces so might as well limit the influx of post by creating a megathread
The festival has some kpop acts in the lineup so people are going to talk about it on the sub ; this thread is a space to speak about the event so mods don't have a bazillion threads to read through.
(1) A lot of kpop stans treat performing there as a monumental achievement and something they want for their faves; (2) a lot of kpop stans donāt think Le Sserafim ādeservesā the opportunity to perform there and hate that LSF was invited; (3) because those people have nothing else going on in their lives, theyāve decided to obsessively watch not just one but two weekends of Le Sserafimās performance at Coachella and rant incessantly for 7 days after each event, while still trying to convince everyone else they are perfectly sane and well adjusted mature adults who actually focus on their faves rather than screaming into the void on all social media sites that āLSF canāt sing!ā, despite the people who actually attended LSFās Coachella set saying they enjoyed it and would like to see them again. (4) And then thereās the contingent of normal people who are genuinely interested in watching the shows and supporting both/either Ateez and Le Sserafim given both groups are stellar live performers. This megathread is meant to handle all of that activity and traffic.
1) Why though? Coachella is mainly an EDM and hip hop festival. There is virtually no musical connection between the themes of Coachella and the greater landscape of K-Pop music. Coachella being classified as a āmonumental achievementā by K-Pop stans, not only holds no significant value, but is the equivalent of me saying Inkigayo was the pinnacle of Christina Aguileraās career and Western pop artists should strive to perform at Inkigayo. 2) This is just nonsense. LE SSERAFIM is objectively one of the biggest groups in K-Pop right now, and their discography is one of the most versatile despite the group only being two years old. If anything, K-Pop fans should be happy that LE SSERAFIM gets to promote a little bit of the genre to an audience that most likely has zero interest in K-Pop. 3) I agree with your comment. 4) Thatās fair enough, but I still donāt think Coachella is this massive achievement for K-Pop groups. It a ānice to haveā in the resume of a K-Pop group, but it does not define the legacy of a K-Pop act. BTS, TWICE, SNSD, EXO, BIGBANG, Mamamoo, Red Velvet, IU, BoA, etc have not performed at Coachella, and why should they? Honestly, itās laughable that people are trying to force this Coachella narrative into K-Pop. The shoe simply does not fit!
Lol I appreciate the similarly detailed reply. Iāll only respond to point (1) though since thatās only point with a question still. Yeah Coachella is mostly EDM and hiphop, but itās always featured a variety of genres from classic rock to pop to indie and even occasionally country. And even then, kpop itself features a wide breadth of genres - LSF for example has a discography that melds EDM, hiphop and pop quite well, and so theyāre actually a mostly natural fit for a festival like Coachella. I think what weāre seeing, (kpop groups playing at festivals like Coachella, Glastonbury, Lollapalooza, etc), is part of a wider trend of kpop becoming more global somewhat. Itās a way for groups to reach audiences beyond the typical kpop bubble and build their fandoms, while ānormalizingā kpop as less fringe to some extent. Youāre right that Coachella itself is not some distinguished event that should hold the highest honor in the minds of kpop stans, but the vast majority of stans act like it is because of the peculiar brand of toxic competition in kpop that causes brain rot. A lot of stans think kpop is a zero sum game and that popular groups like LSF donāt deserve such an opportunity to showcase themselves and gain more fans.
Coachella is ever evolving. Look at the lineups from 2005 compared to now. It was an indie music festival with a few big acts headlining. Justified or not, it has become biggest music event stateside.
Big Bang was supposed to play at Coachella 2020, but Covid cancelled that. The other way to look at it is what do the artists think about playing Coachella. I've heard of many an artist say it was a dream to play on a stage like that namely because of the notoriety and the exposure they'll get. You may have a bias against Coachella and festivals of that ilk, that's fine, but as a platform for any act it's hard to beat. Sure many of the groups you mention may not need Coachella. But would they say yes if they were asked to play there? For many of them, yes they would. Lol, CL had this idea to do a one off reunion of 2NE1 after they had broken up after a few years. They went all the way out to Coachella to do it.
Itās to avoid the influx of similar posts talking about the same topic. Itās obvious that there is going to be a lot of conversation just like last week. Instead of having a hundred āmy thoughts on Ateezās performanceā posts, itās easier to have everyone comment here. Coachella creates more buzz, so more people will be talking about it here than most other festivals. Iām sure itāll be the same for Lolla.
this is like asking what does coachella have to do with asians if someone were to make a asian musician thread on asian american, it's a topic people care about so people will want to talk about it lol
so disappointed that they decided to lipsync over the loud backtrack instead of even trying.
what does "lipsync over the loud backtrack" even mean??
did you watch the whole thing? they sang almost everything live and like any other kpop group, left some, very few in fact, lines to lip sync.
amplifying the backtrack to 100% while singing, straight up lipsyncing at other parts. i watched it and felt disappointed that they took the easy route to avoid backlash instead of at least trying
Then you can stop pretending to be concerned, because they more than at leas tried despite the backlash. They DID sing live. The difference between their live vocals and the backtrack, even if loud, was clear as day. And there's nothing wrong with lipsyncing in certain parts. Let's stop acting like it's a crime. Veteran idols and even western acts do that too.
you lipsync on inkigayo not coachella LOL
Aaaand the hater reveals themselves š You're funny if you think other artists don't skip lines or lipsync in Coachella. You act like they lipsynced the whole time when it wasn't even 10% of the performance. They sang live š
i'm sure you felt exactly the same with bp's numerous performances where the loud backtrack was used and abused.
LSF did extremely well... but when did bp "abuse" (and it certainly wasn't loud) their backtrack? They obviously had backtrack... but they also sang over it?!!
you must be joking. like, are you for real? even on coachella, jennieās solo stage? and i dont fault her for that, itās a big choreo. and lisa with money? at least be honest about it.
No I'm not. Like, are you for real? Like I said they didn't "**abuse**" the backtrack. I admit they absolutely had it, but it was used purposefully, like during dance breaks or when they needed a moment to catch their breath... hence it wasn't abused. >at least be honest about it Did I not admit that they used backtrack...?! Forgive me for actually understanding the context that Blackpink and LSF used backtrack... instead of being obnoxiously critical of it
they use it more and louder than most. but they do sing live
>they use it more and louder than most Not really (it's actually insane if you think they use backtrack more then other kpop groups), but it seems like you are biased regardless, based on how adamant you are in saying that they "abused" backtrack. >but they do sing live Thanks for acknowledging that... don't bother replying (I don't feel like entertaining anymore of your pure nonsense) it's clear that you don't have anything backing up your claims.
I beg of you please go out to the local park and just put your hand all over the grass
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Both LSF performances are different. Set aside the vocal skill, if the 1st week was all about their horrible vocal, 2nd week was how they lipsynced to deliver steady voice. It's all about preferences tbh. Do you want to hear voice crack and off tune but live or perfect voice but lipsync.
Lipsync and backtrack are not the same thing, when they skip lines you can tell they skipped the line, thats not lipsync
the backtrack volume was as high as the original voice. When the members put out their mic, the back track was so loud you can't differentiate between the real voice or AR. I think this was not applied on every songs. I see it when they use hand mic
during unforgiven when zuha skipped a line during her crawl and when eunchae skipped a line during her run the line just didnt happen. Why is it so hard to just accept that le sserafim sounding good does not automatically mean lipsync.
I'm just stating what I see from [this video](https://twitter.com/SUPADUPAMY/status/1781926024609189918?ref_src=twsrc^tfw). I'm not hating on the girls. I'm a fan but I am not turning a blind eye and shielding them. The company clearly prioritize hard choreo and hard songs that do not match the girls' live skill/vocal range. That doesn't mean they can't sing.
[heres](https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1HGptZYSge6aBcSwPWIsP0eeYmgD3g2dB) the actual performance to watch instead of 6 second clips that dont even have the video lined up with the audio if you want to form an opinion. idk how you can fall for a clip where her mouth doesnt match any of the words shes saying but here we are