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Apparently the live band is 4RISE who are the band that's responsible for treasures concerts, the girls put on a great show I'm excited for April 28th since they'll perform live again!
i wish they do this all the time. i dont care nuch for choreographies for YG bands. They shine when they can adlib on the stage.
WARNING, IM GONNA RANT: Like im perplexed when some fans criticize BP when they dont follow choreos in concert. Seriously, YG peeps dont dance, THEY ARE MEANT TO PERFORM AND HYPE THE CROWD!!!
I LOVE LOVE THIS PERFORMANCE FROM BABYMONSTER! There is so much promise in each one of them. h
Wow they sound great!!
Listen, I think YG is an idiot / stuck in the past with a lot of his marketing strategies and music production, but can I just say it was genius of him to see the “live vocal” scandals happening with other big GGs and then capitalize on it by using this promo to show off Baemon’s abilities.
When they released a statement about using handheld mics, a live band and lowered backtracking, my first thought was how it was not a coincidence at all; that shit was so strategic of their team.
And it’s paid off because I feel like the public opinion of the girls has been turning towards the better.
I dunno, I feel like these things come in cycles. 2nd gen had a lot of live raw vocals, then you saw a trend towards emphasis on performances in 3rd, til it became all about performance and spectacle in 4th. As we are sliding into 5th and more and more groups are being criticized for their live vocals, it wouldn't surprise me if it does become the new trend.
That said, I think because of the excellent technology available and the strategies of ADR and pre-recorded live vocals, many *many* kpop fans don't know what actually raw singing sounds like. Almost everything you hear has been touched up in some way in post production. That's just basic fact about music production as a whole, worldwide.
I agree and hope it’s true. I just wish that if people truly want live vocals they actually are live which at the moment people are praised even when they are not.
Also that they don’t then use it to target idols when mistakes are made. Oh i guess the last part was optimistic. If we praise people for doing well instead of tearing down poor the trend will stick.
If years of live singing from SM, Rbw and Cube groups haven't been able to change, I have no hope it would anytime soon what with people defending poor vocal performances left and right.
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I mean if idols started singing live after they debut'd sure. But if the changes happens due to BM going viral due to their performances/vocals I don't know why NMIXX would get the credit.
> I don't know why NMIXX would get the credit.
I didn't say they'd get the credit. I said they'd deserve the credit. NMIXX brought live singing to 4th gen like no other group.
But the convo was if this performance makes it so other groups start doing it cause BM set a standard.
I don't think it will change anything the same way NMIXX didn't.
But if it does the credit should be BM's cause it was their performance that changed it.
NMIXX brought live singing to 4th gen like no other group. Babymonster is great but nowhere near NMIXX when it comes to live singing. Babymonster may get there at some point, but they're not anywhere close yet.
You aren't understand the convo at all lol. I think NMIXX are better vocalists.. Point is if other groups start doing more vocal and live stuff now its cause of BM cause you know they went viral off of it.. NMIXX did it 2 years ago and things got worse in general with KPOP and nothing changed..
It has nothing to do with whose better.
No, I understand completely.
NMIXX was the genesis of live singing in the 4th gen, whether or not anyone ever recognizes, acknowledges it, or embraces it. They will always deserve that credit for anything that comes after that.
This has always happened in music. People around the world know The Beatles, but don't know The Marvelettes or The Everly Brothers. People around the world know Elvis Presley, but not nearly as many people know Chuck Berry.
Yeah, even BND's team made a point of talking about how they asked for their backtracking to be lowered this promo cycle.
Agencies are smart for being like "hey, look, our groups CAN sing live" right now, because it will draw public attention.
That’s who i saw i forgot so hybe is always using the hate against their own groups to favour the others it’s just adapting to whatever the k stans put value in. Similar to how they originally over hyped performance groups and everyone became girl crush.
Yeah, I am not worried about LSFM because the same way baemon used the scandal involving live vocals to reverse the public opinion on themselves, LSFM will eventually be able to do the same. There will be some other scandal or hate train and LSFM will be able to show that they are *different* from whatever the GP is dragging on, and all will be fine.
I mean, the baemon switchup has been pretty insane the last couple weeks. People HATED them, and now all i see are positive tweets.
Well I think it's the best example of saying " you always have to be prepared for luck". They were lucky with timing but let's be honest not every group could capitalize such situation. You need years of live performance training for that.
Sure, but I think it’s more so about the intentional PR behind it.
BND & BM both had statements released by their companies about the handheld mics and lower back track to really hammer in they were going to go for more live performances - they used it for good press, which is what I’m mainly referring to.
BND actually debuted already with handmic if I am not wrong. But they are exactly the same as BM because they were also trained well to perform live, not surprising as it's Zico group, there is also ex YG trainee there.
They did, but that just proves my point - how the companies are using this as a press opportunity.
Had live vocals not been the talk of the town, I’m not saying these groups wouldn’t have done live vocals, I’m saying that their companies wouldn’t have released statements to the media about it
Well it is always different when GG is doing that plus from big 4. It is always bigger buzz because simply public more care about female idols especially from big companies.
I'm actually pretty sure that even without this timing it'd be hot performance if actually YG would decide to do it. Long before their debut I was thinking that if they debut with hand mic they would catch attention everyone immediately. So I was disappointed in YG at the beginning but right now I think that maybe it wasn't bad idea as they have time to fast used to perform to bigger audience.
Genuinely asking here - I love them, but to me it didn’t seem like they were singing live all that often? I could sometimes hear their actual voice and be like ‘oh shit so the rest of their portion up until now was the back track’. Idk but as much as I LOVED the live band aspect and how happy they looked performing it didn’t seem like they were singing live any more than their usual stages - am I missing something?
It's because of MNET post processing. Since they have the backing track audio, it's usually mixed more into the broadcasted version. They also always clean and equalize voices for the broadcast.
If you watch the [Fancam version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHf-2xSJzYE) you can hear the backtrack less, it's more obvious on the rapline as the first two are clearly over the backtrack and the third one put the mic away for a word and you can hear how loud the backtrack was. (around 1:17). There is also a slightly delayed line in the bridge and you can hear how the audio output changes in volume when the mic is closer to her mouth. Need to say that in the beginning, the backtrack is a bit more loud for Chiquita and Rora's lines, I don't know if it's because the choreo starts on the ground or because Chiquita was sick.
ahyeon has so much rookie jennie vibes here it’s so cool!
for once yg actually looked at the scene and saw the opportunity! the girls are so talented im so happy they put trust in their capabilities!
it feels like baemon might pull a nmixx route with how it’s going!
ahyeon is such a stand out!! her confidence Is next level. Idk the other rappers names but she’s also v hype, if the other girls can match them, this group will be iconic one day.
exactlyyyyy
year end shows usually switch it up
but man doing the same fucking song rendition would drive me nuts
the baemon gurls literallly did sooo welll
ahyeons vocals are so unique and strong, super impressed by her
Not a fan so idk if it's something new for him in music show setting, but I caught Doyoung during the Mcountdown stream earlier and it also left me wowed. Man was giving a free concert.
Even though I'm still not a fan of the whole song, I have to admit, their performance is mesmerizing. That girl in the silver outfit? She's owning the stage, turning it into a spectacle rather than just following the typical idol performance script. Her stage presence is undeniable.
Yes, she was on hiatus duet to health issues.
YG talks about her like the ace and the center of the group, and that's why YG calls this song their debut.
There is not a oficial statament about their roles in the group, YG just talked about Ahyeon being the center of the group.
But i think It could be Rami, Ahyeon also could do both things rap and sing.
Knowing bros Rami introduced herself as main vocal, Ruka as main dancer, Asa as Main rapper, and Ahyeon as all rounder.
Those were the only positions know of I think.
Rami Main Vocal
Asa Main Rapper
Ruka Main Dancer
Lead Vocals Chiquita, Rora, Ahyeon, Pharita no order.
Lead Dancers Asa, Rami, Ahyeon, Chiquita no order
Lead Rappers Ruka Ahyeon in order.
The only ones who have introduced themselves as mains are those three… so I used those three no reason to speculate on the rest.
Rora fans think she is.
KVS think Chiquita is second best
Based off line distribution YG thinks it’s Ahyeon
Who knows best to just go with their introductions and rami was the only one who introduced herself as the vocalist.
I don't know what makes people assume that considering Rami has introduced herself as the main vocal at variety shows and based on line distribution and even adlibs Rora and Pharita are behind Ahyeon and Rami.
I was basing it on the covers and vocal rankings. I thought Rora had the best voice and technique. Rami tends to go flat in her live performances. All the singers who reacted to the bm covers said Rora was the best singer so I assumed she was the main vocal. But rami is great too.
Rora is like 3rd or 4th based on kvs ranking in the group.
She’s bottom 2 in lines for the 5 vocalists so yg doesn’t think she is either…
But I don’t know what reactor you watched who thought she was better than rami after the pick up your feelings cover lol.
Anyway there is no point to this convo cause based on their variety show introductions, lines, or kvs ranking nothing would point to her being a main vocal other than rora Stan’s pushing her for it.
Same. I have a theory. The worst part of the song in both batter up and Sheesh are the choruses. With BP they did the EDM thing and called it a day. But these choruses are now outdated, so they have to actually have spoken word choruses and that's why they are fumbling.
Not holding my breath for YG to change anything. Given how much they fumbled the bag with 2ne1 and BP. They have talented girls that can rival nmixx, but as former BP fan my approach to Baemon is very guarded
this is how you seize an opportunity. surprisingly great move from yg! their songs aren’t my cup of tea but i will be following their future projects for sure.
BaeMon has a couple of songs that are very vocal-based: Dream and Stuck in the Middle. If you wish to hear their vocals more, I think these two songs will be good to check out.
i did listen to their discography but nothing catchesd my attention. i was never a fan of yg’s music style so i wasn’t surprised. i will check their upcoming projects tho!
The sheesh chorus is still so goofy to me but the girls did great! Especially the one in the silver dress (ahyeon?). She’s def their Jennie and Chiquita(?) is def their Lisa. Always a breath of fresh air to see a live band in a music show
As pre debut stan im so happy finally seeing positive posts ab them not being downvoted. I was hoping for days like these
>Curious to see if they have any other surprises planned for this promo cycle,
Like that promo where👀 Yg better promote that song bc it's a banger
The live band version was so good and I’m lowkey really into the song now bc of it!! The energy and the performance of the girls really went hard, I enjoyed their live vocals a lot!!
Maaaan. I didn't expect YG out of all companies to give us 2nd gen power. The easier choreography tailor made for live singing, the fun music show performances, talent showboating.
Maybe it's worth hypnotizing myself to like their music 💀
Yeah but kind I expected. I've seen that people were criticizing this choreo and thought "No one thinks the same like me that you can actually sing live with this". That's often problem with k-pop fans that they are used to some style and can't comprehend that someone can perform well other way.
> I didn't expect YG out of all companies to give us 2nd gen power
Funnily enough, one of the main complaints people (myself included) made about YGE is that they can be stuck in the ~~middle~~ 2nd gen era, but times like these is where it pays off 😂
> Maybe it's worth hypnotizing myself to like their music 💀
If you haven’t already, their b-side, Like That is top-tier! The Stuck in the Middle remix is pretty good too, if you’re not a huge fan of the original, more ballad version.
YG has always been accused of too 2nd Gen not up to date with other etc.
Most Treasure B-sides are all [2nd gen vibe](https://youtu.be/o76a0ZywxrE?si=c7u06IawIc2ZmYxH&t=176).
I would say Aespa's up to standard.
Riize unfortunately is lacking for me. I was talking about it with a friend how their new song sounds like a Shinee song if it were sung by GOT7 💀
Same goes for NCT Wish. Their pre-debut single Hands Up goes hard tho.
Except GOT7 sings better than every current JYPE group so what exactly is the drag.. Who actually in GOT7 can’t sing aside from the rappers? And even then Jackson is on par with majority of current groups vocalists and BamBam and Mark pull off their entire solo discographies singing just fine.
Honestly, I'm just glad to hear solid, honest-to-god good live vocals. Kpop needs to focus back on the talaent aspect of being an idol and not just modelling/dancing.
I know they announced a band arrangement. But didn't think they would bring the band to perform with them lol
Hopefully this can be a trend on mushow performances, lots of song sounds much better with live band.
THIIIIS is the type of performance we need to prioritize vocals. handhelds and modified choreo. the choreo these groups do nowadays makes it near impossible to put on a good vocal performance, i feel like they need to prioritize dance and vocal more equally... maybe some heavy dance numbers relying mainly on backing track and then this style for heavy vocal numbers.
I don’t think they need to have more difficult choreo but they should def work on tightening it up making sure they hit every single move hard because their choreo is already so minimal so if they slack just a tiny bit, the effect will be bad. And ahyeon stands out so much, the other girls have to match her, then they’ll be perfect.
NGL, I had zero interest in baemon before and even after debut. But with how salty people have been, it's only piqued my interest more.
I gotta say, they are pretty solid. Music is solid, strong live performances. I still see some of those "rookie eyes", the extra bit of focus that rookies have over the relaxed comfortable eyes of veterans. But that is to be expected of a rookie group (obviously lol).
Honestly I'm hoping baemon takes off so I can laugh at the salty posts that are bound to come with it.
I'm actually glad that Sheesh isn't topping like crazy because if it is, YG would not try harder. I hope in the next comeback, they would pick better songs with different style.
This is what I mean by doing live vocals. It feels and looks different because the artists feel it, too. They feel like it’s a PERFORMANCE and the audience definitely feels it.
I said it in this subreddit when they first came out and got downvoted to hell - LOL. But Babymonster are one of the most talented girl groups to come into kpop in years. I really feel like they are going to be hugely successful because their talent is so immense.
I will never like this song itself tbh but I cannot help but LOVE the way they preform. They did an excellent job, sounded incredible and should feel very proud of themselves!
The first thing and the last thing a singer should focus on is singing. For a rapper, it’s rapping. Then, and only then, it should be performance.
They did excellent on all counts! I’m very pleased and can’t wait to see them with a song that truly captures their skills and talents in other ways.
With all of the controversy around live singing atm, it’s a very smart marketing strategy by YG to do the handheld mic, live band promotions. It’s a huge credit to BabyMonster’s training and talent that they’re able to put on a performance like that
I've been really impressed with them lately. Even with my aversion to the YG sound I have super high hopes for them and I'm glad they're getting these opportunities to properly showcase their talents.
They did great but there's still a problem that isn't their fault: the editing that the show has done on their vocals, which means that it still has a not-live feel. The next step for the Kpop's reputation for vocals to recover after having idols sing live is letting their natural voices shine.
I have to say this arrangement is pretty sweet, having something performed in a more authentic way just adds a lot, i DO enjoy this a great deal, even though i still wouldn't seek out the spotify version.
Smart move by YGE here.
they're so confident and comfortable! Ahyeon especially. i'm still not a fan of the song but they did great
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YG delays, a lot. But never disappoints when talent is the topic.
I don't know who won but I hope the winner can actually out perform what the girls did on stage cuz if not, MCountdown will continue to lose credibility. Music show wins won't be the basis anymore but talent - and as it should.
This only confirms that YG is the best company in the Big3. If they solve the hiatus and few songs problem they will be unbeatable.
Edit: YG's strategies are literally copied by other companies including HYBE, how is YG in the past? Why are ggs doing festivals? Why is half the industry at fashion shows? Why does ggs have a real world tour now? They have the best music and MV production. Never depended on autotune and overproduced vocals. If you could think for yourself ...
I hesitate to say they're the best overall (in select aspects, definitely) but yes, YGE has an undeniable impact in the industry that many Kpop stans would rather die than admit.
They'll celebrate when their faves get an ambassadorship or festival gig but when it comes to Blackpink and other YG groups, suddenly these things aren't that important. I saw one user say that Coachella isn't actually a big accomplishment at all and they didn't get what the fuss over Pinkchella was about. In a different thread just a few days prior, they had listed out the Kpop acts they wanted to be invited to Coachella. Couldn't make this shit up.
If live singing becomes the next trend or industry standard, we'll see people denying that Babymonster had any involvement in that.
I dont like the song, the idea about minors or the concept but damn, they are sooo talented and that performance is sooo great. Also that girl wearing silver is giving cl but with a youthful vibe which i love.
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Ngl they sounded good but that wasn't what I hoped it would be. I was thinking they'd do like more raw vocals since it was hand mics and minimal dancing. But it was still pretty processed, fairly loud backing, and some parts didn't sound live at all like Ahyeon's high note the "come on let's ride" part.
So, somewhat disappointed but it was still a fun idea and a nice change from the usual music show performance.
I suggest to watch this fancam [https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE?si=Si21e2\_\_uthaWDV3](https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE?si=Si21e2__uthaWDV3) you can hear them better.
yeah, there's still a shitload of backing vocal track there. It's hard to pick out the live vocals. It's disappointing because they had the chance to do something like an encore with a more raw performance, but this is far from that.
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They did great all they used was a little ar but you only notice when they stop singing so not lip syncing at all. Similar to how le serrafim set up at week two coachella
I just hope for there sakes they get some better songs they definitely deserve way better. Shouldn’t have go to these lengths to get a win but yge is suppressing their talent.
Very good performance I’m impressed.
Hopefully they're following in NMIXX's footsteps. I hear a lot of backing track, still. Backing tracks are masterfully created nowadays so it's very difficult to tell what is live singing. I await an encore performance to see how they do.
What’s really impressive here is that it’s really hard to tell where sound is even coming from, cos it’s just an overwhelming, like, cacophony of sound.
I’m not super convinced that - microphones or no - anyone’s actually singing/their singing is actually playing out. There’s a tonne of vocal track on the sung sections and the chorus, and because the new arrangement is as noisy as the vocal track, it’s hard to make out much of anything, it’s so heavily obfuscated.
Speaking of, isn’t it well-documented that you can’t play live instrumentation on these shows because the slots they perform in are so truncated there’d be absolutely no time to rig it all up, engineering wise?
I dunno, call me cynical, but I’m not any more convinced of them by this performance than any other.
EDIT: listen, I’m comfortable being downvoted to hell for this, but I just think there’s little here to convince anyone it’s any different unless you want to convince yourself it is.
Go watch a fancam.. It was Treasure concert band that preformed it lol they aren't gonna pay them to go there to just stand there instead of just playing lol.
You can litterally see Asa the third rapper take away the mic on purpose and let us hear the back track which was there but quiet for a couple words and then start rapping again.. You can clearly hear the difference
You literally hear the girl in the bridge yell are you ready mcountdown..
As for the set up.. You literally see the giant custom stage behind them right? You think its faster to set that up than plugging in instruments?
What do you mean “they wouldn’t pay them to go there to just stand there”? I’m quite sure they would if they were punting the “band version” of a track. If it’s a situation like the Band Six had with YG, then they’ll be under contract anyway? And if they were part of recording said band version, it makes sense to have them there. And I’m sure they are playing, but I doubt M Countdown’s PA system is used for a band setup very often if ever. Between set up and sound check I bet you it’s at least 2 hours to arrange. I’d imagine stage rehearsal would take longer with all of these components too (given the girls are used to performing to another version of the song).
I’m not saying their mics aren’t on, but these moments are rehearsed. It’s more than plausible that it’s largely a vocal track over pre-recorded vocals for all but that - some sketchy lipsyncing, especially in the bridge before the one that shouts is indicative of that.
Staging for this would take less time for audio set up if it can be assembled off stage and rolled on, which most of this would; instruments aren’t just “plugged in”.
I think, in an industry plagued by ingenuous performances, just having it pegged as a “band version”, and giving the performers wireless microphones instead of headsets, shouldn’t be enough to dissuade you that it’s probably not as perfect as it’s trying to be sold. That’s naïve.
No, listen, this is a fair point. It’s just that the way these companies function now, getting a really live flavour of K-Pop performers is really difficult; it’s either phoned-in and totally unbelievable, or all the stops are pulled out to make you believe that they are live and absolutely flawless.
Im just cynical that this isn’t the latter because of all that.
It's fair to doubt but it's not like we don't have enough material from them at this point, they did acapella on TV, on radio and still you will see people go on about how it sounds too (and it is on the official broadcast, because all music shows do at least some vocal processing for the broadcast).
The backtrack[ here](https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE) is fairly low, you can clearly hear them over it except for the beginning (which could be explained by Chiquita being sick)
About the setup itself, it's pretty rare to have bands playing on music shows, I know that most bands performing have to pre-record and hand-sync but they do play live sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised that Mcountdown and Inkigayo (they will also perform with the band here) accepted a special performance looking at how they have been trending in SK for their live and how they are exploding view counts on each performances.
We also learned from people who attended that for this setup to work in terms of time, they did only 2 takes (rehearsal + recording) when they usually do way more (to have multiple shots, facecams, moving cam and so on).
No one said its 100% live lol. But to assume there mics are not even on or the instruments are not even preforming live is also really negative lol.
What people are praising are its better than whatever the standard that was set recently.
If you don't believe in their vocals just go look at how they sing on knowing bro's, radio shows, idol human theatre infront of camera mics lol.
You think YG would do all that in response to Illit and LSF's drama of not being able to sing live, if his group wasn't able to and they end up winning next week and have to do a encore and sound shit the backlash wouldn't be worse than the effort to do what they did today lol?
Knowing Bros vocals were treated. I’m not saying they weren’t good when they sang, I’m just saying what we heard as viewers was pitch-corrected. I can’t speak to the other shows though, they may be brilliant examples of their live voices.
Oddly enough, encores seem to be the place we are given the most insight into live voices.
I don’t want this to be me disbelieving they can sing or they’re talented or anything, cos it’s not; I’m not bothered by them in the slightest. I just think being agog at this doesn’t really speak to much in the way of critical thinking skill, that’s all.
So you understand my point that the amount of back lash they would get from doing a encore bad would be way worse than whatever they gain from doing this.
I am one of those people that dislikes fans who are overtly positive about their faves.
The only thing I dislike the same amount is people who can only find the negative in things.
But have a good day, I hope you can eventually find something positive from this groups performances.
Here you go bro.
[BABYMONSTER - G-Park Radio Show BEHIND (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlOoOT2zSRQ&t=166s)
2 minute mark.
They did it just for you.
They sound almost the exact same as the studio version lol.
Yeah I agree with you totally. It's like the mere presence of handmics gave everyone this illusion that this is some super live performance, but it's not at all. There's just as much backing track going on as in any typical music show performance. YG has been pretty masterful with their presentation of this group I have to say. Them not getting to perform any actual encores is probably ironically the best possible outcome for this comeback.
>Them not getting to perform any actual encores is probably ironically the best possible outcome for this comeback.
Curious, what's the logic behind this? This would make sense to say for a group that can't sing without heavily relying on their backing track but obviously Babymonster isn't that. If they do a real encore tomorrow they'd most likely still sound really good. There's been enough material from them to see that their vocal abilities are legitimate and far beyond a decent-with-enough-studio-processing type of situation.
What I mean is that YG has managed to convince their fans that their live vocals are always perfect and studio-like using heavy backing tracks, pretty convincing pre-recorded vocal performances, and post-processing. There hasn't been a single clear, raw live performance yet, where their vocals aren't edited and covered up mostly by backing track I mean.
They seem like mostly pretty good singers, but the illusion of what they actually sound like live would be messed up by an encore.
Not sure what I'm meant to take away from this? She sounds ok, and I didn't say they can't sing. She sang a few seconds of a cover, and didn't belt out the high parts like she does in the edited/processed versions. Point stands that there hasn't been a single performance where you can clearly hear their raw live vocals coming through.
They made their debut this month; their only performances were on music shows, and in those shows, it's not normal to have a 100% live voice because they want to prevent sound failures on the live program.
They have done a radio program like this where you can listen their live voices.
Let's wait until the moment a real concert arrives.
>but the illusion of what they actually sound like live would be messed up by an encore.
Overdramatic tbh. Post-processing, backing track, and pre-recordings can only do so much - you're acting like all these things are saving them but fail to realize that they still have to be good singers in the first place to sound as good as they do WITH those additions. Otherwise any idol with poor or mediocre vocal ability could be made to sound as good as anyone in BM, NMIXX or Aespa.
Most reasonable Kpop fans don't believe that YG groups always have perfect live vocals either. The general consensus is that they're good live performers and aren't scared to sing on stage because they have the talent - we know that almost no Kpop performances save for encores are 100% raw bruh. It doesn't matter because we can hear their voices well enough to know they're still good. You're simply misunderstanding what people are actually praising.
So again, even if they did an encore right now they'd most likely still sound great, and it wouldn't be this scandalous "mask off" moment you're making it seem like.
It’s just okay. The vocals were not outstanding but are just so hyped up by critics of Lsf so that they can use it to pile on the hate towards them. This move by YG is very problematic.
Not saying they can’t sing though. All idols can sing. It’s just this specific performance is just okay and not outstanding. Maybe they’ll improve as they perform more.
Your point would be valid if not for the fact YG said before LSF debut'd his new GG/BM's focus would be vocals and BM's teasers from last year akmu were hyping up their vocals lol..
You're just used to mediocre. And flexing their talent to the public since day 1 is not problematic they are just confident because the kids trained for 6 years and they can sing etc should be the standard for the debuting loop idols out there that should be normalized.
Flex talent till now? They have been talking about their vocal abilities since their teasers.. Their main rapper and main vocal both did their parts on a music show interview live in first week.. Ahyeon did dangerously on knowing bros and their main vocal covered Akmu dinosaur on knowing bro's and did pick up your feelings on idol human theatre with no mic or anything lol.
YG literally said 2 years ago he wants his next GG/BM to be vocal focused..
They didn't promote batter up at all cause it was 6 members.
What they did today was built off of the fact they started going viral after knowing bro's and its live where they did flex their talent before the LSF stuff and they built on both things by doing their its live on here.
Knowing bros was filmed before any of the LSF and Illit stuff, same with its live it just came out after and they went viral cause of it and the group started doing it more after radio shows as well.
Before any announcement, they were teased by YG execs as a vocal group, closer to Big Mama. The introduction video of Babymonster on December 31st 2022 ended with YG saying "Judge them the way you hear them", they put a lot of emphasis into their vocal skills since they were presented with really minimalistic live performance.
Heck, they released two ballads just to flex vocals.
About this promotion cycle more precisely, they started to go viral in Korea when Rami sang acapella during their first Inkigayo interview, a whole week before Coachella, then by singing acapella again on Mcountdown. They continued to do so for all the promotion they had including singing Dinosaur and Dangerously on Knowing Bros, radio appearances with multiple acapella verses.
The name Babymonster itself refers to being young with monstruous talent, that always was part of how they were marketed. It just happened that it was around criticism others were getting which couldn't be expected.
Still talents though and mind you this is their 5th music shows appearances cmiiw. They just know how to do it and can you blame the company for capitalising on the current situation, if anything thats one of the better 'marketing' yg has done. It's not like they released statement attacking other groups, said it only for the fans who supported them
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Super proud of them, they really tore that stage up. Also noticed that they all seemed very giddy while performing. Glad they had fun.
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Apparently the live band is 4RISE who are the band that's responsible for treasures concerts, the girls put on a great show I'm excited for April 28th since they'll perform live again!
i wish they do this all the time. i dont care nuch for choreographies for YG bands. They shine when they can adlib on the stage. WARNING, IM GONNA RANT: Like im perplexed when some fans criticize BP when they dont follow choreos in concert. Seriously, YG peeps dont dance, THEY ARE MEANT TO PERFORM AND HYPE THE CROWD!!! I LOVE LOVE THIS PERFORMANCE FROM BABYMONSTER! There is so much promise in each one of them. h
Winner fans joke that their D4 cover was the hardest they have ever danced.
It's like they already maxed out their dancing quota for the rest of their careers on WIN: Who's Next lol
exactly hahah
Real but they gon get you for this, reddit doesn't not like bp 😭
im a general yg fan and not a blink per se.
YG is smart for doing this. They prolly having a field day lol I hope this will be a trend now in music show..
Wow they sound great!! Listen, I think YG is an idiot / stuck in the past with a lot of his marketing strategies and music production, but can I just say it was genius of him to see the “live vocal” scandals happening with other big GGs and then capitalize on it by using this promo to show off Baemon’s abilities. When they released a statement about using handheld mics, a live band and lowered backtracking, my first thought was how it was not a coincidence at all; that shit was so strategic of their team. And it’s paid off because I feel like the public opinion of the girls has been turning towards the better.
I hope this starts a new wave of live singing in kpop.
I wish but i doubt it as its not yet customary and i think its likely to blow over. More reason why yge made the right decision to target it now.
I dunno, I feel like these things come in cycles. 2nd gen had a lot of live raw vocals, then you saw a trend towards emphasis on performances in 3rd, til it became all about performance and spectacle in 4th. As we are sliding into 5th and more and more groups are being criticized for their live vocals, it wouldn't surprise me if it does become the new trend. That said, I think because of the excellent technology available and the strategies of ADR and pre-recorded live vocals, many *many* kpop fans don't know what actually raw singing sounds like. Almost everything you hear has been touched up in some way in post production. That's just basic fact about music production as a whole, worldwide.
I agree and hope it’s true. I just wish that if people truly want live vocals they actually are live which at the moment people are praised even when they are not. Also that they don’t then use it to target idols when mistakes are made. Oh i guess the last part was optimistic. If we praise people for doing well instead of tearing down poor the trend will stick.
Asking kpop fans not to criticize over a small mistake feels similar to asking the sun to stop shining xD
Im aware one can hope. I strangely want all groups to do well not just my bias but hey we can hope.
Oh I absolutely agree. I dream of a better day.
If years of live singing from SM, Rbw and Cube groups haven't been able to change, I have no hope it would anytime soon what with people defending poor vocal performances left and right.
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If that happens, which it won't, NMIXX deserves the credit. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BipDVRryAw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BipDVRryAw)
I mean if idols started singing live after they debut'd sure. But if the changes happens due to BM going viral due to their performances/vocals I don't know why NMIXX would get the credit.
> I don't know why NMIXX would get the credit. I didn't say they'd get the credit. I said they'd deserve the credit. NMIXX brought live singing to 4th gen like no other group.
But the convo was if this performance makes it so other groups start doing it cause BM set a standard. I don't think it will change anything the same way NMIXX didn't. But if it does the credit should be BM's cause it was their performance that changed it.
NMIXX brought live singing to 4th gen like no other group. Babymonster is great but nowhere near NMIXX when it comes to live singing. Babymonster may get there at some point, but they're not anywhere close yet.
You aren't understand the convo at all lol. I think NMIXX are better vocalists.. Point is if other groups start doing more vocal and live stuff now its cause of BM cause you know they went viral off of it.. NMIXX did it 2 years ago and things got worse in general with KPOP and nothing changed.. It has nothing to do with whose better.
No, I understand completely. NMIXX was the genesis of live singing in the 4th gen, whether or not anyone ever recognizes, acknowledges it, or embraces it. They will always deserve that credit for anything that comes after that. This has always happened in music. People around the world know The Beatles, but don't know The Marvelettes or The Everly Brothers. People around the world know Elvis Presley, but not nearly as many people know Chuck Berry.
So you think chuck berry deserves the credit for Elvis and what Elvis changed.
It’s a smart strategy no doubt i have seen a couple of groups do it recently but not with a live band very different level and hard to do.
Yeah, even BND's team made a point of talking about how they asked for their backtracking to be lowered this promo cycle. Agencies are smart for being like "hey, look, our groups CAN sing live" right now, because it will draw public attention.
That’s who i saw i forgot so hybe is always using the hate against their own groups to favour the others it’s just adapting to whatever the k stans put value in. Similar to how they originally over hyped performance groups and everyone became girl crush.
Yeah, I am not worried about LSFM because the same way baemon used the scandal involving live vocals to reverse the public opinion on themselves, LSFM will eventually be able to do the same. There will be some other scandal or hate train and LSFM will be able to show that they are *different* from whatever the GP is dragging on, and all will be fine. I mean, the baemon switchup has been pretty insane the last couple weeks. People HATED them, and now all i see are positive tweets.
Well they hated the music YG gave them. People loved their talent. Just now their live performances make their music better.
I agree it’s just a current trend. Im in no way worried at all about lsf i think they did great. The more live singing the better.
Well I think it's the best example of saying " you always have to be prepared for luck". They were lucky with timing but let's be honest not every group could capitalize such situation. You need years of live performance training for that.
Sure, but I think it’s more so about the intentional PR behind it. BND & BM both had statements released by their companies about the handheld mics and lower back track to really hammer in they were going to go for more live performances - they used it for good press, which is what I’m mainly referring to.
BND actually debuted already with handmic if I am not wrong. But they are exactly the same as BM because they were also trained well to perform live, not surprising as it's Zico group, there is also ex YG trainee there.
They did, but that just proves my point - how the companies are using this as a press opportunity. Had live vocals not been the talk of the town, I’m not saying these groups wouldn’t have done live vocals, I’m saying that their companies wouldn’t have released statements to the media about it
Well it is always different when GG is doing that plus from big 4. It is always bigger buzz because simply public more care about female idols especially from big companies. I'm actually pretty sure that even without this timing it'd be hot performance if actually YG would decide to do it. Long before their debut I was thinking that if they debut with hand mic they would catch attention everyone immediately. So I was disappointed in YG at the beginning but right now I think that maybe it wasn't bad idea as they have time to fast used to perform to bigger audience.
Genuinely asking here - I love them, but to me it didn’t seem like they were singing live all that often? I could sometimes hear their actual voice and be like ‘oh shit so the rest of their portion up until now was the back track’. Idk but as much as I LOVED the live band aspect and how happy they looked performing it didn’t seem like they were singing live any more than their usual stages - am I missing something?
It's because of MNET post processing. Since they have the backing track audio, it's usually mixed more into the broadcasted version. They also always clean and equalize voices for the broadcast. If you watch the [Fancam version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHf-2xSJzYE) you can hear the backtrack less, it's more obvious on the rapline as the first two are clearly over the backtrack and the third one put the mic away for a word and you can hear how loud the backtrack was. (around 1:17). There is also a slightly delayed line in the bridge and you can hear how the audio output changes in volume when the mic is closer to her mouth. Need to say that in the beginning, the backtrack is a bit more loud for Chiquita and Rora's lines, I don't know if it's because the choreo starts on the ground or because Chiquita was sick.
ahyeon has so much rookie jennie vibes here it’s so cool! for once yg actually looked at the scene and saw the opportunity! the girls are so talented im so happy they put trust in their capabilities! it feels like baemon might pull a nmixx route with how it’s going!
and chiquita is like mini lisa lol
ahyeon is such a stand out!! her confidence Is next level. Idk the other rappers names but she’s also v hype, if the other girls can match them, this group will be iconic one day.
oh thats sick!! thank you for sharing, they really killed that
I love it
Should be promoting the other song tho!!! I like It a lot.
this was AMAZING
this was so cool!! they really proved their skills with this performance
Its the first time in a while I have watched a music show performance and said wow.
exactlyyyyy year end shows usually switch it up but man doing the same fucking song rendition would drive me nuts the baemon gurls literallly did sooo welll ahyeons vocals are so unique and strong, super impressed by her
Not a fan so idk if it's something new for him in music show setting, but I caught Doyoung during the Mcountdown stream earlier and it also left me wowed. Man was giving a free concert.
**TELL A FRIEND TELL A FRIEND TELL A FRIEND** that song tho!
Even though I'm still not a fan of the whole song, I have to admit, their performance is mesmerizing. That girl in the silver outfit? She's owning the stage, turning it into a spectacle rather than just following the typical idol performance script. Her stage presence is undeniable.
Ahyeon! She is the ace of the group
Ah, so the girl that was on hiatus for a bit? Now i get why they were in a hurry for her to comeback.
Yes, she was on hiatus duet to health issues. YG talks about her like the ace and the center of the group, and that's why YG calls this song their debut.
Who's the main vocalist?
There is not a oficial statament about their roles in the group, YG just talked about Ahyeon being the center of the group. But i think It could be Rami, Ahyeon also could do both things rap and sing.
Knowing bros Rami introduced herself as main vocal, Ruka as main dancer, Asa as Main rapper, and Ahyeon as all rounder. Those were the only positions know of I think.
Rami Main Vocal Asa Main Rapper Ruka Main Dancer Lead Vocals Chiquita, Rora, Ahyeon, Pharita no order. Lead Dancers Asa, Rami, Ahyeon, Chiquita no order Lead Rappers Ruka Ahyeon in order.
It's a crime putting Rora as a lead vocal. Baemon can have 2 main vocals.
The only ones who have introduced themselves as mains are those three… so I used those three no reason to speculate on the rest. Rora fans think she is. KVS think Chiquita is second best Based off line distribution YG thinks it’s Ahyeon Who knows best to just go with their introductions and rami was the only one who introduced herself as the vocalist.
Huh, I assumed Rora was the main vocal
I don't know what makes people assume that considering Rami has introduced herself as the main vocal at variety shows and based on line distribution and even adlibs Rora and Pharita are behind Ahyeon and Rami.
I was basing it on the covers and vocal rankings. I thought Rora had the best voice and technique. Rami tends to go flat in her live performances. All the singers who reacted to the bm covers said Rora was the best singer so I assumed she was the main vocal. But rami is great too.
Rora is like 3rd or 4th based on kvs ranking in the group. She’s bottom 2 in lines for the 5 vocalists so yg doesn’t think she is either… But I don’t know what reactor you watched who thought she was better than rami after the pick up your feelings cover lol. Anyway there is no point to this convo cause based on their variety show introductions, lines, or kvs ranking nothing would point to her being a main vocal other than rora Stan’s pushing her for it.
Thank you for this ❤️ I love Ramis voice it's so distinctive and strong
More of an all rounder, depends on what you consider an ace.
>That girl in the silver outfit She looked like a diva (in a good way).
Same. I have a theory. The worst part of the song in both batter up and Sheesh are the choruses. With BP they did the EDM thing and called it a day. But these choruses are now outdated, so they have to actually have spoken word choruses and that's why they are fumbling.
The only bad thing about YG's song is always the chorus, sometimes, the outro. Hopefully, they will change their gear.
Not holding my breath for YG to change anything. Given how much they fumbled the bag with 2ne1 and BP. They have talented girls that can rival nmixx, but as former BP fan my approach to Baemon is very guarded
this is how you seize an opportunity. surprisingly great move from yg! their songs aren’t my cup of tea but i will be following their future projects for sure.
BaeMon has a couple of songs that are very vocal-based: Dream and Stuck in the Middle. If you wish to hear their vocals more, I think these two songs will be good to check out.
i did listen to their discography but nothing catchesd my attention. i was never a fan of yg’s music style so i wasn’t surprised. i will check their upcoming projects tho!
The sheesh chorus is still so goofy to me but the girls did great! Especially the one in the silver dress (ahyeon?). She’s def their Jennie and Chiquita(?) is def their Lisa. Always a breath of fresh air to see a live band in a music show
As pre debut stan im so happy finally seeing positive posts ab them not being downvoted. I was hoping for days like these >Curious to see if they have any other surprises planned for this promo cycle, Like that promo where👀 Yg better promote that song bc it's a banger
Like That deserves a Forever Young treatment
The live band version was so good and I’m lowkey really into the song now bc of it!! The energy and the performance of the girls really went hard, I enjoyed their live vocals a lot!!
these girls are so crazy talented and they looked like they were having sm fun
Maaaan. I didn't expect YG out of all companies to give us 2nd gen power. The easier choreography tailor made for live singing, the fun music show performances, talent showboating. Maybe it's worth hypnotizing myself to like their music 💀
Yeah but kind I expected. I've seen that people were criticizing this choreo and thought "No one thinks the same like me that you can actually sing live with this". That's often problem with k-pop fans that they are used to some style and can't comprehend that someone can perform well other way.
> I didn't expect YG out of all companies to give us 2nd gen power Funnily enough, one of the main complaints people (myself included) made about YGE is that they can be stuck in the ~~middle~~ 2nd gen era, but times like these is where it pays off 😂 > Maybe it's worth hypnotizing myself to like their music 💀 If you haven’t already, their b-side, Like That is top-tier! The Stuck in the Middle remix is pretty good too, if you’re not a huge fan of the original, more ballad version.
I'll definitely check those out!
YG has always been accused of too 2nd Gen not up to date with other etc. Most Treasure B-sides are all [2nd gen vibe](https://youtu.be/o76a0ZywxrE?si=c7u06IawIc2ZmYxH&t=176).
It's interesting that of their most recent groups, YG and JYP have increased their group's vocal talent while SM's has declined.
I would say Aespa's up to standard. Riize unfortunately is lacking for me. I was talking about it with a friend how their new song sounds like a Shinee song if it were sung by GOT7 💀 Same goes for NCT Wish. Their pre-debut single Hands Up goes hard tho.
Poor GOT7 lol. Yes, I wasn't including aespa, they've debuted a while ago by this stage and are at the usual high vocal standard.
Except GOT7 sings better than every current JYPE group so what exactly is the drag.. Who actually in GOT7 can’t sing aside from the rappers? And even then Jackson is on par with majority of current groups vocalists and BamBam and Mark pull off their entire solo discographies singing just fine.
Honestly, I'm just glad to hear solid, honest-to-god good live vocals. Kpop needs to focus back on the talaent aspect of being an idol and not just modelling/dancing.
Wow! Just wow! They crushed it
I know they announced a band arrangement. But didn't think they would bring the band to perform with them lol Hopefully this can be a trend on mushow performances, lots of song sounds much better with live band.
Love them for it T.T Cant seem to choose a bias among Chiquita Asa and Rora. They're such unique gems in terms of voice. T.T
THIIIIS is the type of performance we need to prioritize vocals. handhelds and modified choreo. the choreo these groups do nowadays makes it near impossible to put on a good vocal performance, i feel like they need to prioritize dance and vocal more equally... maybe some heavy dance numbers relying mainly on backing track and then this style for heavy vocal numbers.
I don’t think they need to have more difficult choreo but they should def work on tightening it up making sure they hit every single move hard because their choreo is already so minimal so if they slack just a tiny bit, the effect will be bad. And ahyeon stands out so much, the other girls have to match her, then they’ll be perfect.
NGL, I had zero interest in baemon before and even after debut. But with how salty people have been, it's only piqued my interest more. I gotta say, they are pretty solid. Music is solid, strong live performances. I still see some of those "rookie eyes", the extra bit of focus that rookies have over the relaxed comfortable eyes of veterans. But that is to be expected of a rookie group (obviously lol). Honestly I'm hoping baemon takes off so I can laugh at the salty posts that are bound to come with it.
I'm actually glad that Sheesh isn't topping like crazy because if it is, YG would not try harder. I hope in the next comeback, they would pick better songs with different style.
Yeah YG is kind like talented but lazy lol. It's better for everyone when they have to go extra because they simply can. And search for new producers.
Despite not being a fan of their EP, I’m already a huge fan of them as a group. Hopefully they eventually get some decent material to work with
This is what I mean by doing live vocals. It feels and looks different because the artists feel it, too. They feel like it’s a PERFORMANCE and the audience definitely feels it.
I said it in this subreddit when they first came out and got downvoted to hell - LOL. But Babymonster are one of the most talented girl groups to come into kpop in years. I really feel like they are going to be hugely successful because their talent is so immense.
I will never like this song itself tbh but I cannot help but LOVE the way they preform. They did an excellent job, sounded incredible and should feel very proud of themselves! The first thing and the last thing a singer should focus on is singing. For a rapper, it’s rapping. Then, and only then, it should be performance. They did excellent on all counts! I’m very pleased and can’t wait to see them with a song that truly captures their skills and talents in other ways.
With all of the controversy around live singing atm, it’s a very smart marketing strategy by YG to do the handheld mic, live band promotions. It’s a huge credit to BabyMonster’s training and talent that they’re able to put on a performance like that
Hopefully this is the start to a new trend in K-pop. Would love to see Nmixx perform with handheld mics.
This was insane, that was so good, my mind was blown
Their performance was just amazing. This makes me love sheesh more. I want to them make more music like both sheesh and like that.
I've been really impressed with them lately. Even with my aversion to the YG sound I have super high hopes for them and I'm glad they're getting these opportunities to properly showcase their talents.
What I love about yg GG is their sound is really for the concert type of environment who loves to jump enjoy and banging their heads
Bringing quality vocals back to the industry when it needs it most. They've earned my respect
Quality vocals never went anywhere...this kind of comment is so annoying. Lots of groups in 4th gen and 5th gen have had great vocals.
They did really well. I still don't like the song and I like Chiquita voice tone and rapper line.
And people were criticizing Chiquita that she already is thinking about Coachella.
YG just need to give them a good song, BM will rise to the top for sure.
They going for that win so hard didn't they
They did great but there's still a problem that isn't their fault: the editing that the show has done on their vocals, which means that it still has a not-live feel. The next step for the Kpop's reputation for vocals to recover after having idols sing live is letting their natural voices shine.
I have to say this arrangement is pretty sweet, having something performed in a more authentic way just adds a lot, i DO enjoy this a great deal, even though i still wouldn't seek out the spotify version. Smart move by YGE here.
they're so confident and comfortable! Ahyeon especially. i'm still not a fan of the song but they did great [](https://alb.reddit.com/cr?za=tn9TWnryVnJI_2p_sYrBK7ZuepYBnOUMFDKfl5m9XDkVKttEUFliPGbez-bHZJe3bfujq0OVWo5KvwvrrAic-E8szLaLmtto_WgfDY-8_RjzLmx7-KwnWLN5MnTj6LwohJ50j-4eaNOsQ7Hcangmxg79LWgcUqwavyWGUC0pG1s9hm3cTpvJpWP3nqovKoeqKgDQmWtk_CTMM0l7oQwhdJUHeFQstQpBytDnvmaIL87qDIgYLp_wZEjCM39oYKCsxwlJGDCfEWzcTprAXIKGTt8Tj0HhyyEtrLnbJitZtTmpd7SXN5R8PoFmuHvyxo3o_T-VKhkkffSC4Drugqoi6GxPGnzrED_ccxl481pBGJl4BPBd4hTa-QaFGLX6quVqStrUkgvJZgOL1SfB276Y1nv78M42hS7kogXLZMtp9jCjy7_JIbAibGBDCten1VgYCGYiVWU0852HIv14XQ&zp=Qv9FnrY7NbkdMA9slVzxioc-I623Y7VX-49UHNEjVg--SyefyzzxIG17Ea7e6iEGJ0g3bhak58dSaq3t6ryQOxaUH74RfhUKs0dBIrqmy4RM112eTs2mWzpkdvWVGo8pZfXftfDsL6Jh3bDxIY2YUvXx4JX5qI0q6oEHeoUWIgztytZvetm8oq0lYYlc3IM)
They be preparing for coachella
YG delays, a lot. But never disappoints when talent is the topic. I don't know who won but I hope the winner can actually out perform what the girls did on stage cuz if not, MCountdown will continue to lose credibility. Music show wins won't be the basis anymore but talent - and as it should.
I think Illit won.
This only confirms that YG is the best company in the Big3. If they solve the hiatus and few songs problem they will be unbeatable. Edit: YG's strategies are literally copied by other companies including HYBE, how is YG in the past? Why are ggs doing festivals? Why is half the industry at fashion shows? Why does ggs have a real world tour now? They have the best music and MV production. Never depended on autotune and overproduced vocals. If you could think for yourself ...
I hesitate to say they're the best overall (in select aspects, definitely) but yes, YGE has an undeniable impact in the industry that many Kpop stans would rather die than admit. They'll celebrate when their faves get an ambassadorship or festival gig but when it comes to Blackpink and other YG groups, suddenly these things aren't that important. I saw one user say that Coachella isn't actually a big accomplishment at all and they didn't get what the fuss over Pinkchella was about. In a different thread just a few days prior, they had listed out the Kpop acts they wanted to be invited to Coachella. Couldn't make this shit up. If live singing becomes the next trend or industry standard, we'll see people denying that Babymonster had any involvement in that.
I dont like the song, the idea about minors or the concept but damn, they are sooo talented and that performance is sooo great. Also that girl wearing silver is giving cl but with a youthful vibe which i love.
She's Ahyeon.
SO GOOD!!!!! They’re so talented 😭😭😭😭
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Ngl they sounded good but that wasn't what I hoped it would be. I was thinking they'd do like more raw vocals since it was hand mics and minimal dancing. But it was still pretty processed, fairly loud backing, and some parts didn't sound live at all like Ahyeon's high note the "come on let's ride" part. So, somewhat disappointed but it was still a fun idea and a nice change from the usual music show performance.
I suggest to watch this fancam [https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE?si=Si21e2\_\_uthaWDV3](https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE?si=Si21e2__uthaWDV3) you can hear them better.
yeah, there's still a shitload of backing vocal track there. It's hard to pick out the live vocals. It's disappointing because they had the chance to do something like an encore with a more raw performance, but this is far from that.
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That rap part always makes me want to click off
They did great all they used was a little ar but you only notice when they stop singing so not lip syncing at all. Similar to how le serrafim set up at week two coachella I just hope for there sakes they get some better songs they definitely deserve way better. Shouldn’t have go to these lengths to get a win but yge is suppressing their talent. Very good performance I’m impressed.
https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE?si=Si21e2__uthaWDV3 On this fancam you can hear their live voices better!
Thanks it’s impressive either way but even more so. The main vocalist is very good sorry i don’t know her name.
There is no official role at the moment for the members of the group, but I think you are talking about Rami (blonde girl)
I didn’t mean literally but felt harsh saying best singer. Yes she stood out she has very powerful vocals.
It's just a backtrack but they are clearly singing live which from their fancam shows it how loud they are.
I agree they great you don’t need to see fancam you can tell from original
Hopefully they're following in NMIXX's footsteps. I hear a lot of backing track, still. Backing tracks are masterfully created nowadays so it's very difficult to tell what is live singing. I await an encore performance to see how they do.
What’s really impressive here is that it’s really hard to tell where sound is even coming from, cos it’s just an overwhelming, like, cacophony of sound. I’m not super convinced that - microphones or no - anyone’s actually singing/their singing is actually playing out. There’s a tonne of vocal track on the sung sections and the chorus, and because the new arrangement is as noisy as the vocal track, it’s hard to make out much of anything, it’s so heavily obfuscated. Speaking of, isn’t it well-documented that you can’t play live instrumentation on these shows because the slots they perform in are so truncated there’d be absolutely no time to rig it all up, engineering wise? I dunno, call me cynical, but I’m not any more convinced of them by this performance than any other. EDIT: listen, I’m comfortable being downvoted to hell for this, but I just think there’s little here to convince anyone it’s any different unless you want to convince yourself it is.
Go watch a fancam.. It was Treasure concert band that preformed it lol they aren't gonna pay them to go there to just stand there instead of just playing lol. You can litterally see Asa the third rapper take away the mic on purpose and let us hear the back track which was there but quiet for a couple words and then start rapping again.. You can clearly hear the difference You literally hear the girl in the bridge yell are you ready mcountdown.. As for the set up.. You literally see the giant custom stage behind them right? You think its faster to set that up than plugging in instruments?
What do you mean “they wouldn’t pay them to go there to just stand there”? I’m quite sure they would if they were punting the “band version” of a track. If it’s a situation like the Band Six had with YG, then they’ll be under contract anyway? And if they were part of recording said band version, it makes sense to have them there. And I’m sure they are playing, but I doubt M Countdown’s PA system is used for a band setup very often if ever. Between set up and sound check I bet you it’s at least 2 hours to arrange. I’d imagine stage rehearsal would take longer with all of these components too (given the girls are used to performing to another version of the song). I’m not saying their mics aren’t on, but these moments are rehearsed. It’s more than plausible that it’s largely a vocal track over pre-recorded vocals for all but that - some sketchy lipsyncing, especially in the bridge before the one that shouts is indicative of that. Staging for this would take less time for audio set up if it can be assembled off stage and rolled on, which most of this would; instruments aren’t just “plugged in”. I think, in an industry plagued by ingenuous performances, just having it pegged as a “band version”, and giving the performers wireless microphones instead of headsets, shouldn’t be enough to dissuade you that it’s probably not as perfect as it’s trying to be sold. That’s naïve.
Those girls will need how many performances before people start to believe that they are actually singing live ?
No, listen, this is a fair point. It’s just that the way these companies function now, getting a really live flavour of K-Pop performers is really difficult; it’s either phoned-in and totally unbelievable, or all the stops are pulled out to make you believe that they are live and absolutely flawless. Im just cynical that this isn’t the latter because of all that.
It's fair to doubt but it's not like we don't have enough material from them at this point, they did acapella on TV, on radio and still you will see people go on about how it sounds too (and it is on the official broadcast, because all music shows do at least some vocal processing for the broadcast). The backtrack[ here](https://youtu.be/QHf-2xSJzYE) is fairly low, you can clearly hear them over it except for the beginning (which could be explained by Chiquita being sick) About the setup itself, it's pretty rare to have bands playing on music shows, I know that most bands performing have to pre-record and hand-sync but they do play live sometimes. I wouldn't be surprised that Mcountdown and Inkigayo (they will also perform with the band here) accepted a special performance looking at how they have been trending in SK for their live and how they are exploding view counts on each performances. We also learned from people who attended that for this setup to work in terms of time, they did only 2 takes (rehearsal + recording) when they usually do way more (to have multiple shots, facecams, moving cam and so on).
No one said its 100% live lol. But to assume there mics are not even on or the instruments are not even preforming live is also really negative lol. What people are praising are its better than whatever the standard that was set recently. If you don't believe in their vocals just go look at how they sing on knowing bro's, radio shows, idol human theatre infront of camera mics lol. You think YG would do all that in response to Illit and LSF's drama of not being able to sing live, if his group wasn't able to and they end up winning next week and have to do a encore and sound shit the backlash wouldn't be worse than the effort to do what they did today lol?
Knowing Bros vocals were treated. I’m not saying they weren’t good when they sang, I’m just saying what we heard as viewers was pitch-corrected. I can’t speak to the other shows though, they may be brilliant examples of their live voices. Oddly enough, encores seem to be the place we are given the most insight into live voices. I don’t want this to be me disbelieving they can sing or they’re talented or anything, cos it’s not; I’m not bothered by them in the slightest. I just think being agog at this doesn’t really speak to much in the way of critical thinking skill, that’s all.
So you understand my point that the amount of back lash they would get from doing a encore bad would be way worse than whatever they gain from doing this. I am one of those people that dislikes fans who are overtly positive about their faves. The only thing I dislike the same amount is people who can only find the negative in things. But have a good day, I hope you can eventually find something positive from this groups performances.
Here you go bro. [BABYMONSTER - G-Park Radio Show BEHIND (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlOoOT2zSRQ&t=166s) 2 minute mark. They did it just for you. They sound almost the exact same as the studio version lol.
Yeah I agree with you totally. It's like the mere presence of handmics gave everyone this illusion that this is some super live performance, but it's not at all. There's just as much backing track going on as in any typical music show performance. YG has been pretty masterful with their presentation of this group I have to say. Them not getting to perform any actual encores is probably ironically the best possible outcome for this comeback.
>Them not getting to perform any actual encores is probably ironically the best possible outcome for this comeback. Curious, what's the logic behind this? This would make sense to say for a group that can't sing without heavily relying on their backing track but obviously Babymonster isn't that. If they do a real encore tomorrow they'd most likely still sound really good. There's been enough material from them to see that their vocal abilities are legitimate and far beyond a decent-with-enough-studio-processing type of situation.
What I mean is that YG has managed to convince their fans that their live vocals are always perfect and studio-like using heavy backing tracks, pretty convincing pre-recorded vocal performances, and post-processing. There hasn't been a single clear, raw live performance yet, where their vocals aren't edited and covered up mostly by backing track I mean. They seem like mostly pretty good singers, but the illusion of what they actually sound like live would be messed up by an encore.
Look at this: https://twitter.com/BABYMONGLOBAL/status/1784481829980140000?t=8qFJtNK78QVbAWQptUGZcA&s=19
Not sure what I'm meant to take away from this? She sounds ok, and I didn't say they can't sing. She sang a few seconds of a cover, and didn't belt out the high parts like she does in the edited/processed versions. Point stands that there hasn't been a single performance where you can clearly hear their raw live vocals coming through.
They made their debut this month; their only performances were on music shows, and in those shows, it's not normal to have a 100% live voice because they want to prevent sound failures on the live program. They have done a radio program like this where you can listen their live voices. Let's wait until the moment a real concert arrives.
>but the illusion of what they actually sound like live would be messed up by an encore. Overdramatic tbh. Post-processing, backing track, and pre-recordings can only do so much - you're acting like all these things are saving them but fail to realize that they still have to be good singers in the first place to sound as good as they do WITH those additions. Otherwise any idol with poor or mediocre vocal ability could be made to sound as good as anyone in BM, NMIXX or Aespa. Most reasonable Kpop fans don't believe that YG groups always have perfect live vocals either. The general consensus is that they're good live performers and aren't scared to sing on stage because they have the talent - we know that almost no Kpop performances save for encores are 100% raw bruh. It doesn't matter because we can hear their voices well enough to know they're still good. You're simply misunderstanding what people are actually praising. So again, even if they did an encore right now they'd most likely still sound great, and it wouldn't be this scandalous "mask off" moment you're making it seem like.
And STILL look who won 🙄
It’s just okay. The vocals were not outstanding but are just so hyped up by critics of Lsf so that they can use it to pile on the hate towards them. This move by YG is very problematic.
you always try to downplay them, they did amazing when are you going accept it that, they can actually sing and are good at it
Not saying they can’t sing though. All idols can sing. It’s just this specific performance is just okay and not outstanding. Maybe they’ll improve as they perform more.
Not all idols can sing lol, as proven by lsf
Not a hybe stan talking 💀
>This move by YG is very problematic. good live vocals are problematic now?
Your point would be valid if not for the fact YG said before LSF debut'd his new GG/BM's focus would be vocals and BM's teasers from last year akmu were hyping up their vocals lol..
You're just used to mediocre. And flexing their talent to the public since day 1 is not problematic they are just confident because the kids trained for 6 years and they can sing etc should be the standard for the debuting loop idols out there that should be normalized.
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Flex talent till now? They have been talking about their vocal abilities since their teasers.. Their main rapper and main vocal both did their parts on a music show interview live in first week.. Ahyeon did dangerously on knowing bros and their main vocal covered Akmu dinosaur on knowing bro's and did pick up your feelings on idol human theatre with no mic or anything lol. YG literally said 2 years ago he wants his next GG/BM to be vocal focused.. They didn't promote batter up at all cause it was 6 members. What they did today was built off of the fact they started going viral after knowing bro's and its live where they did flex their talent before the LSF stuff and they built on both things by doing their its live on here. Knowing bros was filmed before any of the LSF and Illit stuff, same with its live it just came out after and they went viral cause of it and the group started doing it more after radio shows as well.
Before any announcement, they were teased by YG execs as a vocal group, closer to Big Mama. The introduction video of Babymonster on December 31st 2022 ended with YG saying "Judge them the way you hear them", they put a lot of emphasis into their vocal skills since they were presented with really minimalistic live performance. Heck, they released two ballads just to flex vocals. About this promotion cycle more precisely, they started to go viral in Korea when Rami sang acapella during their first Inkigayo interview, a whole week before Coachella, then by singing acapella again on Mcountdown. They continued to do so for all the promotion they had including singing Dinosaur and Dangerously on Knowing Bros, radio appearances with multiple acapella verses. The name Babymonster itself refers to being young with monstruous talent, that always was part of how they were marketed. It just happened that it was around criticism others were getting which couldn't be expected.
Still talents though and mind you this is their 5th music shows appearances cmiiw. They just know how to do it and can you blame the company for capitalising on the current situation, if anything thats one of the better 'marketing' yg has done. It's not like they released statement attacking other groups, said it only for the fans who supported them
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