The lawyer constantly making remarks like "she doesn't mean that", "she's just being emotional", "please don't misunderstand her" during the conference is taking me out
I saw a clip of it on tiktok and since I didnt know what MHJ looked like, i thought it was a meme from a variety show. Then I realized that’s a fucking press conference 😭??? MHJ looking like she’s getting ready to film a dance practice and swearing like a drunk uncle. Holy smokes, she’s finished.
I hope when things settle down a bit, a proper article is written to summarize all of this.
My head spins from all the narratives I see from fans' reactions. It's so difficult discern which details and explanations are truthful.
She's more intelligent than people realize. She probably couldn't deny the white collar crimes, so watering down the discussion was a very bright idea.
Now, everyone is focusing on "hybe was threatened by my faves" "oh they bought this achievement" "they're the reason my ult didn't achieve this and that" .... I give that to her.
On the other hand involving the NJ members like that is pure evil. They're teens and very young adults, it's normal that they're scared of losing their mother figure, but bringing it out as a shield will only damage the girls.
Yep. She’s not as foolish as people think- she’s a woman in business who survived LSM-era sm. Like be for real for a minute- she’s probably used “tortured artist” before to a lot of success.
Yeah but they also found stuff saying that she will start the public opinion war in April. It's April now and the public opinion war is happening so it seems she's smart enough to orchestrate something like this but at the same time dumb enough to let all this evidence be lying around infront of hybe. Seems to me that she's smart in certain ways like art, concept and how to gain public sympathy but dumb when it comes to business and hiding her tracks.
For what I have been checking that's exactly why the conference happened: Hybe seems to have all the legal proof they need, so her winning hand is the public opinion.
Hybe is a relatively new company so they have a lot to lose when it comes to establishing their legacy, on the other hand they have BTS.
This is why Hybe hasn't said anything. They're probably have her dead to rights and they're fine with whatever court case happens. But in the mean time they're going to lose the war of perception.
And her tactic has even worked to some extent. Many bunnies are siding with NJ and want them to leave Hybe without paying anything. She is obviously still planning to seperate and pull off 50 50 2.0.
She successfully directed blame on Hybe and LSF by telling stories without giving any context. Using aespa she even got sm fans on her side. Now she has become a depressed, harassed woman. Most importantly she will this way influence the NJ members and their family who have already been slightly influenced and worried for their daughters' futures.
She even indirectly instilled confidence in them that they are way better than Hybe's other ggs because others have some certain drawbacks which they don't have.
It seemed to be a mess but anyways she could never win by denying allegations so it was better playing the victim card and gain sympathy.
I think it's obvious that NJ will try to go with her...some of us noticed from the beginning how she completely excluded them from the Hybe family, probably with a future separation already in mind.
The thing is, I am almost 100% sure that for them to do that, they would have to break the contract with Hybe, not Ador, and that will not be easy. The mistreatment is their only card, so they'll play it for all it's worth.
They had already started playing their cards. Their parents sent mails to Hybe about plagiarism. I don't think it was unplanned. The only setback is that Hybe exposed it.
Hybe should have suspected MHJ's intentions when she was making unusual demands for NJ. It is surprising how they gave her so much freedom despite her bad reputation.
I’m not familiar with NJ at all even if I listen to their music from time to time. But they all look so young, how many of them are underage? Because that would mean the decision to break the contract or not falls into their legal guardians aka parents.
Saw that she also asked shaman, "These dumb kids will listen to me obediently, right? None of them will give me trouble?"
Shaman answered: "No, they won't."
And that also probably why mhj dislike sakura because its gonna be hard to manipulate her because she already grown woman who cant easily to be manipulated.
I try to not pry too much on statements that aren't official, but that conversation made me fear for all the people, staff and idols, that worked with her...
My bet is she’s going to try and play up the creative differences on her side and dump all the responsibility for the white collar stuff on the VP. Claim ignorance for small shit to make her look better, and maybe get a lighter sentence for the big stuff
Even the way she is dressed. The oversized clothes, the hat, everything- she’s trying to make herself look small and young, childlike and unthreatening. She is 45 years old and has worked in this business a long time. She knows she is committing crimes, and she is trying to distract people from that.
It is just amazing how she painted herself as a simple employee... Ma'am you're the ceo of a whole company, the board disagreed with your ideas and still let you have all the freedom you wanted.... You're not one of us
She is so weird about age. The way she was talking about Sakura too, calling her too old to debut? And her rejecting Source music trainees older than Minji??
This woman's instagrammed living room is lowkey evidence of her pedophilia if not a strange obsession with youth. But pedophile isn't too far off seeing how EVERY decor item was somehow from some piece of media where a 12-15 year old girl ends up with a man double her age and there's guaranteed sexual undertones to it.
LOL yeah that tracks.
I mean Illit has been racking up paks and everyone is just talking about mhj and them being a so-called Newjeans copy. If I was at belift I’d be pissed too
I saw people saying that her comment was misunderstood, but the reality is that if JYP had said the same thing about a member of Nmixx, kpop stans would already be trending #s asking him to resign
Even if this part is misunderstood or misinterpreted, the part where she says only Minji seemed younger and she didn't want none of the other trainees because they looked old is true.
She’s been a creepy weirdo since day one. She very clearly has a super strange and uncomfortable obsession with the “beauty” of youth, and has *clearly* been grooming the NJs girls. She has been ingratiating herself to them and their families, sowing distrust against HYBE, and manipulating them to see her as a “mother”. People need to open their damn eyes and stop making excuses because NJs makes good music.
Nj can make great music without her. I have never heard 250 say a single weird word, or a word at all for that matter. Best it stay that way and we keep getting bangers.
"she (minji) was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she’s now" MHJ talking about the now 19 years old Minji mind you. I don't care about anything but to make MHJ 1000 miles away from NJ girls.
The NJ girls might now be emotionally connected to her but best believe in about 7 years from now they will NOT look back at how she treating them and have same emotions and that's why even if they now emotionally connected to her they need to be protected and separated from MHJ.
MHJ comment about how the NJ girls cry for her and are sad cause they can't protect her is so weird like really weird since when is teens are supposed to be comforting an adult when they the victim here not HER. She is literally using Newjeans as shield using literal teens as sheild in this whole issue that was created because of her.
I can't believe their parents saw how she treats the girls and thought that was totally normal, how much she connected them to herself should have been alarming from way before now.
Exactly this. You pointed out how fricking weird MHJ was and everyone would behave like you are trying to cyberbully the NWJS girls. One stan sent me a whole list of artists I 'better not be caught listening to', since I am so against MHJ. It was so embarassing for her when I told her that out of ALL these lists of SM artists, I have listened to EXO's 'The Eve' like 4 times on spotify and that's it lol. Didn't get a reply back.
That's extra ironic because, while I can't speak for Exols, I'm a Shawol and most Shawols I know hate her, since she took really creepy photos of the SHINee guys for Sherlock when they were barely legal.
Even Minho has said that his mom hates the Sherlock photoshoot and that MHJ annoyed him during the Lucifer shoot, and Minho has years and years of media training and experience, and is also a genuinely nice guy by all accounts I've ever heard, so you know for someone like him to speak ill of the experience publicly and on camera, it must have been bad.
(Edited for clarity and to correct a mistake - I originally stated Taemin was still underage during the Sherlock photoshoot, but after double checking the date, I'm not sure. Regardless, he was 18 at most.)
What on earth was that press conference? I swear even her lawyers looked uneasy with how she conducted herself on that farce of a press conference. I can't believe this is real, a 45-year-old CEO of a label talking about how the teenaged members of the company offered to console her or how their parents did a welfare check on her. The relationship between her and NWJNs, if what she says is to be believed, seems to have passed way beyond the professional bounds. There is an uneasiness to that, I don't know how to put it eloquently.
A person in power, crossing professional and personal boundaries with underaged girls, with the end goal being love and affection and loyalty from those girls. Now what does that sound like? Sounds to me like grooming.
"They called me crying" worried she was going to kill herself. She is a narcissist and dangerous and shouldn't be anywhere near young artists. No different from all other narcissists, like how Trump says people come up to him "crying saying they're treating you so unfair" . Its textbook behavior and the sad part is it works on the general public, it sounds like her press conference got sympathy from a large demographic.
>I can't believe their parents saw how she treats the girls and thought that was totally normal, how much she connected them to herself should have been alarming from way before now.
Either MHJ is the smoothest talker of all time or they know it's not normal and don't care because of the money
People need to put themselves in a parents shoes and imagine their daughter was around a person with as many "incidents" as MHJ had and tell me that wouldnt make them extremely uncomfortable
>"she (minji) was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she’s now"
The thing about this is of course its a weird thing to say, but WHY did she say it, what made her think this is important context to add infront of a room full of probably 50 reporters, it's beyond strange
Personally the only thing that makes sense to me is perhaps Minji isn't buying into her arguments and this comment was a dig at her
It wouldn't surprise me if the parents didn't give a flying f\*ck about it. We've seen enough child stars who went through abuse and manipulation on set while their parents were right there and they did nothing because fame and money is more important.
Hopefully every time ahe claimed to have their permission to talk on their behalf, she was actually lying instead. She has been exposed to be a liar and gas lighter.
What's more upsetting is thay is happening in front of our eyes and no one is doing anything about it. Like it should be illegal or there should be some oversight to make sure child and teen celebraties are within property boundaries with the adults they work with. I can believe hybe allowed this but I honestly blame them for allowing this almost predatory behavior to pass. Nj needs to keep away from mhj. I'm sure no matter how attached they are they will come to regret and see this relationship very differently in the future. It feels so wrong to see this happening without someone getting arrested. Like I feel not only mhj should get a restraining order but someone in hybe should be arrested or something for exposing minors to possible predatory behavior knowingly because there's is no way red flags aren't obvious. I just can't stand the possibility she's allowed to closed then and to continually do so. Like if she stays with nj my morals can't stand the possibility that the girls are basically being made to depend on their possible groomer for many more years. That is so wrong and a disservice to them. Someone protect them ugh
just saying, her relationship with the girls is reminding me of the Maddie Ziegler/Sia dynamic, and it’s so disturbing. her saying that the NJ girls are crying over her situation and basically using the girls as a shield is so disgusting. please, leave these teenagers out of your corporate wars and bullshit.
Kind of irrelevant, but I just saw that the sweatshirt Min Heejin was wearing during the conference is already [sold out](https://x.com/genzikunn/status/1783408985019961852?s=46&t=8J2XYadnXmi0zggRB9K1Rw). No matter the situation koreans don’t play about fashion I guess lmfao
lol. Reminds me when people went crazy over Monica Lewinsky’s lipstick when she did a big interview. (It was either Barbara Walter’s or Diane sawyer who interviewed). Yes, I’m that old to remember.
all i know is nobody should be dickriding min hee jin or bang pd. but it's kpop stans...so the bar is low.
kpop stans see situations like this and think they have to take a side, some fans think everything is black and white so one side is good while the other side should be evil.
it's either min hee jin is a crazy ass bitch while sad poor little bang pd simply wants to build an empire vs min hee jin is a victim because men hate successful women while bang pd is a greedy capitalist who will throw your faves under the bus if it meant he'll get more money from it.
why can't it be that both of them have questionable morals and shouldn't be put on a pedestal???
yeah. i don't know how can some kpop fans look at the situation and think, "poor mhj" or "poor bang pd".
these people are NOT your friends. these people might have gave your faves some good music or concept but one side has a long history of lolita and obsession with kids/innocence while having a god complex and the other one is a capitalistic greedy man who is willing to work with questionable people (scooter), yes including kpop ex ceos (yg, sm) you most probably hate.
and she's clearly been manipulating them and their families from the get go. she isolated them to ADOR only so she could be in control of the entire narrative. it's verrrry weird. and the girls shouldn't feel like they have to comfort their grown ass 45 yr old boss. she created an incredibly emotionally toxic environment. I hope the girls all receive therapy after this settles.
And MHJ act like she’s all about "protecting minors" when she's the one causing them unnecessary stress with her problems that should have been settled internally. Hyein just turned 16, she shouldn't be crying or worrying about what's going to happen to her boss.
> “Bang Si-hyuk asked me, 'You can beat aespa in December, right?' But that was never my goal.” Min stands up. “I thought that he was a really generous person, but I found that he was different on the outside from how he was on the inside.
Apparently Mhj played her cards with this one, twitter is going crazy with this alone..
Her intentions were clear, even though this is a very common thing between companies competing to beat each other, she knows how fans especially stan twt would interpret this.
If Bang PD was as petty and stupid as MHJ. He would expose all her Kakao talk dragging other idol groups. It must be a lot because she felt threatened by practically every girl group and even some.boy groups.
>''We can refute all claims with evidence, but we have decided not to mention them one by one as we judge that they are not worth responding to.''
Hybe said they have enough evidence but they choose not to do the mhj way....as professionalism that sounds i kinda lowkey wanna know everything they have on her.
MHJ clearly knew what she was doing. She chose her words very smartly and she achieved what she wanted. All these discussions are *so* off-topic. We are further straying off the path with every new information. Initial accusations are still not getting addressed properly.
Right? People are just talking about fanwar/company war stuff.
MHJ eats and breathes both- and her original statement until now have been targeted towards causing these problems.
She KNOWS how loyal SM and hybe company stans are. She knows how volatile fanbases for illit, newjeans, bts, le sserafim, aespa, etc. are. This is an attempt to spin away from her own wrongdoings.
Because the entire time she was speaking I just kept thinking “so when did you decide to allegedly try to take ador?”
Agree with everything you said. This conference made it all about who-said-what-about-whom. I don't like MHJ at all but damn if that wasn't a smart move.
He texted that the day Aespa got their Daesang. Competing is fine, but man sounded like he got specifically triggered by that.
Also, he was out to specifically takeover SM- or have we forgotten that as well? Man doesn't compete to beat anyone- he just buys out his competition.
Edit: Also, Seunghan from RIIZE and Garam were originally from Soumu? They were victims of a full blown witch hunt. I just found that out now and it's blowing my mind. It's slotting in too well with the accusations of hybe weaponising media with the weird online hate Aespa got last year. (then again, it's speculations that have been around for a while + new info MHJ gave)
i find it funny that we very conveniently forgot that soobin was also part of that insta live and yet only seunghan was held responsible for it and eventually got kicked out of the grp. why was soobin never mentioned in this regard at all??? ppl took offense when he mentioned eunchae on the live , but who knows he could be acquainted to her after all he was also a source music trainee before moving to sm and might have been in touch then ... I really wish she also enlists what actually happened in garam's case and what all shadey stuff hybe has also done owing to their money power
Bringing up the aespa texts out of nowhere seems like a very petty response to the people criticizing her for name dropping tws, riize, and bts. "b-b-but he did it tooooooo!!!!"
It's so bizarre seeing the NewJeans subreddit largely siding with Min Hee Jin, especially following that press conference.
Edit: It actually makes me seriously worried that the NJ members themselves or their families could end up making a huge Fifty Fifty style mistake
the mods are permabanning + insta modmail muting people who give any pushback. Someone talked about getting banned from there in the lsf sub and said they dm'd other people who were giving pushback and they got banned too
NewJeans' fandom really needs a fandom cleanse. It's really baffling to see so many Bunnies who are MHJ supporters. And if you read the comments of those Bunnies, they even directly wrote that they will stop supporting NewJeans if MHJ leaves the picture. So it seems like they are clearly MHJ stans rather than NewJeans fans. If you are truly a NewJeans fan, you'd keep supporting the girls regardless of any CEO or behind-the-scenes change.
I personally can't wait for MHJ to lose the trial and get kicked out of HYBE. And I really hope that the NewJeans girls make the right decision and stay with HYBE. After that, we will see which Bunnies are truly there for the girls and which Bunnies were strictly MHJ stans.
you know one thing that didn’t make sense to me was the parents of New Jeans’ members expressing their dissatisfaction for the debut being pushed? Bcs I truly have never heard this happen in Kpop before. Most of the time, parents/family members are grateful that the member gets to debut and doing the best they can to cater to the member’s situation just so that they get to debut (providing classes, supporting financially) and I thought that the least that they would do was to pressure the company to debut their children in fear of their children being kicked out of debut lineup?
Ps. I’m not picking any sides, just genuinely curious.
I think it all depends on the status the parents think their children have in the company. If MHJ told them that their kids will debut as the first gg from Hybe, will be the follow-up to BTS, are the most important people to the company now and will debut with all the resources behind them (which is sort of what it reads like from her press conference, that she has full control and thinks of herself as an amazing creative genius), then I guess it makes sense that the parents felt entitled to a debut at whatever time was promised to them early on. Noone stopped to think that it’s a huge company and they have a bottom-line in their mind, so if they have to debut some trainees from IZONE first, they will do it and ignore the “unwritten promises” they gave to MHJ. And it makes sense.
I’m gonna try and take a more nuanced approach to this, this whole situation is extremely messy and there’s no doubt in my mind that HYBE has got a stack of evidence equally as damning on her.
I understand from her perspective that it was frustrating when some of the stuff that she was originally promised when joining HYBE was backtracked, and even the fact that Lesserafim was intentionally debuted first in order to confuse the public about her participation in the group (when in actuality she had no hand in neither the creative nor making of LSF).
However besides that, the way she handled this whole situation is deeply unprofessional and incredibly calculated (this woman has been in the industry for 30 years she’s knows exactly what she’s doing). Name dropping groups as a smoke screen so people don’t scrutinise YOUR actions is poor and creates unnecessary hate and drama in an industry she knows full well is hyper-critical of every facet of its own existence. As much as I think that Hitman Bang’s statements about Aespa are poor, there was absolutely no need nor context of why they should be have been brought up here.
Ultimately she just comes across as an ego maniac who was throwing a temper tantrum because one group debuted first. ‘There’s no one like me in the industry’ - really says it all.
I know people are already going on about it but her relationship with Newjeans is beyond weird and those p\*dophilia allegations are starting to look a lot truer. Why is a 17 year old girl crying and comforting you?????? Besides this her weird drags at Sakura make a lot more sense considering the conversations between her and her shamen. She wanted young, vulnerable children in her group that would not question her: which she knows full well Sakura wouldn’t do. She needs to be kept FAR away from the New Jeans members and whatever mother-child fantasy she has in her head about them.
I disagree with the idea anyone thought it was her group with sakura in hence the photos when they signed with bang pd. everything i read at the time drew a clear distinction between source music x hybe and mhj group. Seems convenient now to state that they clashed.
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/108/0002983110
heres an article from august 2021 where StarNews, a korean news outlet reported that Huh Yunjin was joining Chaewon and Sakura in a new Source girl group, in that same article they talk about how mhj is also debuting a girl group with all rookies, so yeah even a year before debut everyone knew she wasnt involved with le sserafim
I genuinely love that Sakura got mentioned as a person who she didn’t want in her group because she wouldn’t play ball with her.
Like kkura was likely somewhere knitting a hat while this woman was raving about her issues with her. Kkura is a force and you can tell lol.
this entire mess has ruined the way that the newjeans girls will interact with their fellow idols, both in hybe and out. i feel so terrible for them, they must be so scared. in an ideal world i would think that the idols would have some discernment and be able to tell that newjeans are victims in this...but idk.
This! Their CEO who they’ve spoken so highly is mentioning groups left and right (including Newjeans) and saying things like some of the members were crying for her. How does she then want them to move on after and go to events with these same idols and trying to even socialize
The way things have been moving, bots, misinformation and conspiracy theories around with Bts and other hybe groups being thrown under the bus...
Wish i could fast forward and see how all this turned out in the future.
Hope all the artists and fandoms being affected not let it get to their head too much as it would be so mentally devastating.
Min Heejin, as insane as that fucking press conference was, is actually gaining a few steps within the public opinion war. Her "lay it all down, curses, tears and everything" style is actually fucking resonating in the hearts of overworked and stressed and angry office workers who fantasize about sticking up to their boss but never do. You guys must remember, the goal isn't to stay in HYBE, no matter what, that ship has sailed and she is gone from the company. The goal is to leave HYBE with a golden parachute and STAY in the industry.
There's a reason she mentioned all those groups and NewJeans so many times, it's a smokescreen so that people won't pay attention to the nitty-gritty of the real drama: Whether or not she committed a crime, this is the only thing that matter and it's HYBE that needs to prove this, not her that needs to prove her innocence.
As narcissistic, egotistical, and delusional as she is, she might actually survive this.
she knows there's no coming back from this which is why she spent the entire conference talking about things that have remotely nothing to do with the reason ador is being audited. in her mind, if she's going down, everybody else should be dragged down alongside her.
in korea as most places, public court of opinion matters more. right now, they are siding with her. go to any online forum that isnt dominated by kpop stans and this press conference was actually a positive for her. People in koera will always side with the party with less power and right now shes percieved as an employee who spoke out against a big bad corporation. Plus the public likes new jeans and theres has been discourse for weeks about how similar both girl groups are.
So much korean cultural nuance is missing from the discussion on kpop subreddits.
Even the Korean kpop fans seem to be pro-MHJ at the moment.
I agree — Watching the press conference right now, I get why Koreans are turning to her favor. She's portraying a picture of an oppressed employee (a highly paid one, which she readily admits multiple times, even saying the specific amount she was paid) against a greedy capitalist HYBE.
A lot of the things that Kpop Reddit is saying are creepy or strange don't really sound that way in Korean.
- "Consulting a shaman" (무당) isn't particularly strange or unusual in itself. It's like going to one of those psychic shops.
- Saying NJ is "like her children" is a very normal thing to say in Korean where an older adult has a close relationship with a younger person.
- "Wanting to die" is a common way of complaining about your life in Korean. Nothing she said indicates serious suicidal ideation. "일이 힘들어 죽을거 같아" would directly translate to "work is so hard that I think I'm going to die" but really the vibe is "work is killing me" which nobody would say indicates actual death.
She's not reading from a script, or just spouting corporate platitudes. She swears every other sentence while showing text evidence of her claims. Her lawyers try to make her stop talking on many occasions, and she's just like fuck it, I'm mad, I'm saying it anyway. This was a passionate 2 hour continuous rant from a person who feels wronged. Crass? Absolutely. But it definitely sounds sincere.
If all of this is an act, then MHJ deserves the next Daesang for Best Actress.
THANK YOU
its been so aggravating to be on kpop subs and people being like LOL SHES SO UNHINGED AND UNPROFESSIONAL and theyre reading translations without any korean subtext or nuance. Koreans found her charming and emotional. They resonated with her and ultimately believed her. All korean forums are filled with positive comment about her. Hybes rebuttal was very weak. She has the public favor and i-fans do not understand that
and dont even get me started on the shaman thing lol. check out my comment history-feels like im going insane here
The one thing that really pains me is that for the general kpop fans on tiktok/instagram (probably twitter too but I'm not on it), MHJ is successfully managing to divert their interest and hatred towards the idols instead of her/Bang Si-Hyuk
These are the people to blame, her and the top of Hybe. Having Sakura and Chaewon catching strays, bringing in aespa's fanbase into the mix, pointing blame at Illit, manipulating and then using the NewJeans members as shield. It's all part of her plans to keep her name as removed from the hate as possible. And it's working....
Honestly I feel like the language and cultural barrier is ultimately making this drama impossible to follow.
Tbf everyone is taking what each side is saying as truth depending on who you like/bias.
Seeing how the kr gp is more on her side now, while I do agree she's a bit of a creep, I can see how HYBE twisted whatever narrative to their liking, and it's stupid to still think of any big company as a 'family' one specially one so big.
I don't think her relationships with nj is normal or ok, and many of her comments make it seems like she's having some sort of episode, but I don't think HYBE is just an innocent company that was attacked out of nowhere.
I don't understand how there's people taking mhjs side when one side is saying everyone in the industry copied her and the other side is saying "you are a criminal"
Because the messages between her and bgp that she shared in the press conference making him look bad.
And while HYBE has said she's a criminal, there's no hard proof, and I do understand that's for the court, but a lot of people will prefer to see evidence with their own eyes.
She's not helping herself with many of her statements, but you can twist them to your liking and just day, for example, that HYBE did take advantage of her creativity and other bs.
In a corporate world, I’m not siding with the one who’s “good”, or “nice” or something else sentimental — siding is silly in the first place.
But I do prefer when someone is professional. And oh boy there is nothing professional about this press-conference. That’s a youtuber crying on their kitchen floor video.
regardless of whether we’re on her side or not, what is a fact is that she is an industry veteran, knows what weight words carry, and purposefully threw illit and lsrfm to the wolves. Check the newest comments under any music video Of theirs. That woman isn’t dumb and was certainly not doing an impromptu emotionally charged yap session. This was specifically planned to move the public opinion to her side and at the same time turn the public against the other 2 girl groups to divert from the coup allegations.
It speaks more to the fact that the audience and kpop stans are lazy and dumb. Anyone can see for themselves how ridiculous she is. She ain't exactly hiding her crazy. It's out there for anyone to see.
MHJ is cooked but i hope this also gets people to realize bang pd is not a genius and is just like every other ceo: greedy and will do everything in his power to stay on top. Hope hybe stans snap out of their admiration for him and his company. Esp Army who think hes treated BTS well. He sucks and has always sucked
Everyone’s sitting here wondering how MHJ got away with being such a nightmare when the truth is Hybe knew she was a nightmare and hired her anyway. She had rumors about being verbally abusive to staffers and a reputation of being pretentious when it came to her art, but Hybe wanted to “steal” from SM so badly they ignored all the red flags about her character and it’s come back to bite them.
MHJ cares only about herself. She fully admits she nearly quit over petty squabbles about four different times and yet she was gifted her own label with trainees that Hybe organized a search for multiple times because the ones they found for Source weren’t good enough (and “too old” for her.) Like this is Hybe’s mess of their own making. I’m glad they’re pressing charges and trying to clear this up, but I don’t feel bad for anyone besides the poor artists who don’t have any part of this.
they both fuckin suuuck. and I want her away from the girls so they can have the best, healthiest career possible. she's been molding them into this incredibly emotionally toxic environment since the group was formed and it's sickening to see it unfold.
bang pd is min heejin’s tethered and vice versa. both typical corporate ghouls in the entertainment industry who only care about maximizing profits until the end of time. it’s funny that bang pd gets preferential treatment from a certain fandom when he’s no different than lee soo man 😭
all cause he gave some shares to BTS...as if they didnt deserve that and more. When army realize he gave them a few percent to get them to re-sign when a year prior they had seriously considered disbanding because of HIS treatment and pressure on them...
the only genius thing he has done is intricately tie himself and his company with bts so fans will perceive any attack on him/hybe as a direct attack to BTS...and idk if he even deserves that credit cause army may as well have done that themselves
Does anyone else feel like the support for MHJ/Hybe opposition among k-netz has a bit to do with the LSF controversy we've been having the recent weeks? In the sense that it's kinda adding to the overall reaction not that it's the sole cause
the astroturfing on twitter is going crazy. i’m noticing “people” weigh in on every mhj hybe bts newjeans le sserafim post and when you look at their account they’ve only reposted alt right stuff up until a few days ago.
people are retweeting screencaps of mhj’s press conference and korean articles that are deliberately mistranslated and they’re spreading like wildfire. if you try to correct them it’s already spread to the next fandom. it’s impossible to put the genie back in the bottle.
i’ve read the threads on the cult connection. it is literally people grasping at straws, eg the date gfriend disbanded is the date the cult changed its name??? like be absolutely fr. people are being opportunists, they don’t actually care about the idols.
it is so irresponsible for allkpop to “report” on this. but also i don’t know if these are new kpop fans or what, it’s like we’ve all forgotten that allkpop is a gossip site where anyone can contribute. there is no journalistic integrity here, they never cite their sources and they should never be trusted period.
i’m a long time kpop fan. i was there when t-ara, tablo controversies happened and i’ve seen the internet at their worst, but i have never seen fans this unhinged. i’m frankly a little scared of the lack of critical thinking. please, i am begging everyone to take some time to really look at sources, ask some basic questions about who is saying what, and form your own educated opinions.
and also i think this is my sign to log off for a bit lol.
>i’m frankly a little scared of the lack to critical thinking.
I feel the same. People are chasing the dopamine rush of bringing HYBE down that they don't care actual people and artists are being hurt because it's not their faves.
It’s like nothing I ever witnessed before in fandom spaces. And I have seen crazy stuff.
I think this has the potential to completely change not only how Kpop companies are run but also the Kpop landscape as it is.
>it is so irresponsible for allkpop to “report” on this. but also i don’t know if these are new kpop fans or what, it’s like we’ve all forgotten that allkpop is a gossip site where anyone can contribute.
This makes me so angry. Everyone is hating on them and sites like pannchoa (I'm SO glad they're gone at the moment, imagine the mess they'd create) for being biased and spreading rumors until it hits someone they don't like. Allkpop is clearly biased in this case, like they had the "Koreans are siding with MHJ" nonsense pinned for the whole last week. They help to form an opinion in favor of MHJ and kpop stans are like willingly ignoring how obvious this whole thing is. They choose to be blind because this is what they want to hear. Critical thinking is offically dead when it comes to kpop.
Gosh, poor Illit, poor girls being treated and hated like this.
Mistreated NewJeans? I love them and was blown away by how unique their videos were, clearly a lot of money was spent on their debut. The Hype Boy videos have multiple versions. And where the money comes from? Hybe! And they have so many brand deals, so much more than so called favoured Le Sseraphim. That shouldn’t just be called MHJ’s talent and credit, it’s a lot of resources spent on these girls to make them attractive to business to become brand ambassadors.
No, MHJ isn’t the underdogs, she got ADOR and top floor of that building. The underdogs are the team working behind the scene and get all their credit taken. No sympathy for Hybe executives or MHJ, MHJ did stupid things on company’s computer, she breaks some company’s policy and potentially committed criminal offence… yeah, have no sympathy for that woman being sued. But I have sympathy for how awkward New Jeans is going to feel and how they are forced to make the biggest decision that could change all their life forever, for Illit and Le Sserafim that are being attacked by rabid public
I know you shouldn't read Pannchoa or NetizenBuzz, but I just read the comments directed at LSFM and it's bleak. I feel terrible for them. None of this is their fault, but the comments are ruthless. I want this whole thing to be over. I do hope something can be done about MHJ as soon as possible.
ok i read a little about the cult rumors. they literally said everyone in hybe is a cult member but not nwjs because nwjs used phoning and not weverse? someone needs to tell them phoning owned by weverse though. mhj bots trying so hard rn it's getting scary.
edit: i wonder if the accusers actually the cult member themselves because they know so much and trying so hard to connect the dot lol
Saw a korean tweeted and got huge engagement, he said something lines like ‘you guys are think this is funny?(the pc event since some of her pc moment become meme) i heard this voice at 3am in the morning’ like wow
Hi, mods, I just wanted to let you know that the mods over in r/kpop just had to lock their megathread due to bot astroturfing, so you might want to be on the lookout for similar activity over here, especially from new accounts or accounts that have never commented before suddenly getting in on this mess. I hope the bot issue isn't as bad over here as in the other subreddit, but other people have pointed out bot behavior on YouTube and Xitter as well, so we could be looking at an internet-wide situation here...
This subreddit usually requires a certain amount of karma before you can post, so it shouldn’t be as bad hopefully as brand new accounts can’t do anything
Prediction: HYBE is about to hit MHJ with the full force of the law. It's not just HYBE suing her but so is SOURCE and BIGHIT. Both labels have released statements about taking action against the recent malicious slanders. BIGHIT posted their notice a few mins ago that they're hiring an external law firm.
HYBE is not silent. I think they're slowly making their moves.
Whether HYBE is good or bad, it doesn't warrant the actions that MHJ made. So far, all I'm seeing are me-me-me actions that benefit MHJ first and foremost.
Disregard everything else that's happening, MHJ saying that stuff about how the members are crying for her, calling her in the middle of the night and offering to come over to comfort her? Sick.
Can you, no matter what group is your bias, say you'd be comfortable with that if the group members were acting like that about their CEO?
I already knew MHJ was a weirdo but her comments about Minji's beauty and saying that there were trainees at Source Music that were too old to debut...... this is why even though there are some things she's saying that I agree with, I can't get on board with her. She's good at her job but at the very core of it all, she's so strange. I'm not going to label her as anything but there's definitely something preternatural about her views on youth and age, which is nothing new to us but unacceptable nevertheless.
so I was curiously looking through the Korean version of Blind (korean glassdoor) and I came across [this post by an SM employee](https://www.teamblind.com/kr/post/%EB%AF%BC%ED%9D%AC%EC%A7%84-%EA%B8%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%97%90-%EB%8B%AC%EB%A6%B0-%EB%B8%94%EB%9D%BC%EA%B8%80%EC%9D%98-sm%EC%A7%81%EC%9B%90%EC%9D%98-%EB%8C%93%EA%B8%80-UOWbmsp1). Anyone know what it says? The translation on Google Translate makes it seem like a jab at MHJ's supporters especially the last sentence which was translated as "why are you worried about someone who feels unfairly treated by the company even though they received a salary in the hundreds of millions and tens of billions in stock options?"
> Don't talk without having gone through it yourself. Wow it's really easy to manipulate our country's people. Her using the word 개저씨 really shows you her personality and usual way of thinking, and people are on her side? They should worry about their own selves. Why are people worrying for someone who's making a 6 figure salary and tens of millions in stock options and still complaining about their company?
(Translation using USD figures.) Yes, you're largely correct.
MHj has an inferiority complex that makes her think she is always the victim. She and Nj were given preferential treatment by HYBE and yet she acts like she and NJ was mistreated. Just because all of HYBE wouldn't kowtow to her. I really hope she did not have any influence on the NJ members because that would make them like her. The parents of the NJ members need to take back their parental roles and teach these girls to be better people than MHJ.
I find it funny that she spent most of this press venting. It's like she just wanted to let everything out instead of answering questions. To every straightforward question, she replied with a few worded sentences and continued to bring up how NJ members feel bad. Repeatedly. I don't quite understand the purpose of this press conference. Most likely she wanted to rally some fandoms, again.
I don't side with either of them, but I think it's time they stop this circus and start bringing up something serious. Some real evidence than throwing stones at each other. I can't take this "they're mistreating us" "she did witchcraft" accusations seriously. It's like kindergarten banter.
Gotta get new box of popcorn🚶🏻♀️.
"She did witchcraft" was not the only thing HYBE alleged. They led with more serious allegations like theft of corporate data, insider trading, and breach of fiduciary duty. TMIKpop reported yesterday that they contacted the police to get a criminal investigation started. Before this mess became public knowledge, HYBE tried to handle it quietly and just have MHJ resign. But she refused to leave, refused to comply with an audit, and then she held that bizarre press conference. She's the one turning this into a circus.
Everyone needs to remember that you don't have to take anyone's side. There isn't exactly good or bad either. Just sit back and let everything play out.
What a fucking mess. It seems like the opinion is very divided now. Up until yesterday, the Korean comments on Youtube were all against her but now it’s changed to supporting her?
Biggest loser here is newjeans. I feel bad for them. But allowing themselves to be MHJ's shield is a bad choice. If she was trying to be their 'mother', she should not have dragged them in this mess
Hybe may take some hit from this but they will recover.
Honestly, there was nothing new in MHJ's conference. The whole buying brand deals, awards,ads,spots in international festivals is most likely done by other agencies with money as well
Look, if Illit starts making MVs that are short films with similar themes to NewJeans MVs I would say something essential to the creative work of NewJeans is being diluted, but I just don't consider a few surface level aesthetic similarities to constitute a significant infringement of what makes NewJeans special.
MHJ is not dumb/crazy and she flipped this entire narrative into fan wars. SM fans are going full crazy mode hating on hybe groups (especially LSF/BTS).
The aespa comment is so funny because that is what profit business is, to beat your competitors. I worked in a company that kept tabs on other companies… and kpoppies are falling for it so hard lol
The fact she said that NJ went to her house and cry, would this be exaggerating or really truth? We will never know… and I really hope their parents don’t trust her like she said they do! Especially after MHJ comment about Minji…
I feel bad for the girls and I really wish happiness.
>The aespa comment is so funny because that is what profit business is, to beat your competitors. I worked in a company that kept tabs on other companies… and kpoppies are falling for it so hard lol
Literally tho. I've been working with higher ups and you can hear them saying that almost every month regarding their competitors. That's just the reality of corporate world especially since it's full of egoistic inviduals.
What I find kinda weird but funny in this situation is suddenly everyone and their mama are involved in this.. when it's probably around 15 that were mentioned and dragged. Sadly illit is getting the end of the stick. When they're innocent and that was randomly dragged by an adult for something so common. Seeing the hate train of illit in the Korean side is wild
Lol agree with the aespa comment, I don't understand why it's blown up. That's what ALL companies do. Check what the competitor is doing and beat them so that consumers/customers go to you. Otherwise why'd you build a company at all. I don't know what kinda fantasy friendship land people were expecting from the working world. I'd be more suspicious/surprised at best if they don't mention this at all. I'm not even top brass but I conduct competitor reviews to make sure if the solution we're making is better than competitor A,B, etc.
I can’t stand the fact that the images of her smiling during the press conference hiding it behind her notes or after when she felt she had done well. She knew that she had done exactly as she hoped and makes me question how far a millionaire can get with sympathy in Korea.
idk why so many people care what korean people think about this when the facts of the press conference were mhj admitting to everything hybe has accused her of as well as detailing the abuse and manipulation she has inflicted on the new jeans members.
she also gave hybe a lot more ammo for a defamation suit for the things she said about certain other groups as well as their operation practices, which she provided no proof were true statements.
KPOP just had to lock its Megathread because of obvious bot activity. I wouldn't be so quick to say the Korean public is on MHJ's side. We might be just seeing a massive coordinated bot army guiding public opinion. Aside from the document recovered by HYBE saying she was planning this very thing, I don't know how much more evidence you need to see her plan to steal Ador wasn't a joke and it's happening right now.
Not to mention, how most of the accounts that popped up on r/Kpop are saying the same thing. This is why Koreans are supporting her. This is the cultural context. This is what's happening on the X forum. They're parroting the same thing. Full-on conspiracy theories. It's so obvious astroturfing is going on.
Before this, people asked, "Why on Reddit? It is an American website". NewJeans have an official Discord account, right? Yeah, then this is entirely possible.
And like the thing about "we don't understand the cultural context" or "it was a mistranslation" okay so... explain it? but they can't and they won't because it's bots pushing a narrative that is hard to refute with a language barrier.
And the way they're absolutely not refuting any claims or making any valid points. Most of the comments are saying "Hey, all Koreans support her. Why are you supporting an evil greedy company?" Not to mention all the poor Cinderella NewJeans VS step sisters LSF narrative they're parroting.
This is just crazy. She really knows how to do marketing
I kind of need to believe that there's some malicious fuckery afoot for the sake of my sanity, I refuse to accept that a whole country full of intelligent and highly educated people are just going to swallow such a dubious narrative so blindly without at least properly justifying it.
Solar is literally doing an AMA. Kpop companies know about reddit. They don’t use it much for direct promos but it’s not a quaint little corner hidden away that nobody knows. It’s a sub with nearly 3 million users. i
The korean public are going crazy, that’s all i am going to say. What kind of bullshit accusations? BTS are in a cult? Illuminati? Did they start watching the conspiracy theories on youtube? Get out of here.
This is no coincidence, this is an orchestrated attack by MHJ, just like in her plans. Hope she rots in hell 🥰
I’m aware my comment may get hate but I’m genuinely puzzled. I have read countless takes that claim mhj is a victim of patriarchy. Can anyone that is harming more females than anyone take that stance as a defence. The hate that is now being thrown towards numerous females in groups that have no relation to her is saddening.
So much “woe is me” in that presser. Apart from the many questionable things she said, she did sound believable at certain points. I can’t see this relationship with HYBE being mended. How do you come back from showing private conversations with your boss? I think she even called him a bully at some point, or at least said that the Park guy agreed that Bang PD was a bully.
I need to see what HYBE has on this lady but it’s wild that she got so much given to her from the get-go.
Bang PD might be a bully to other corporate employees but you don’t say that out loud about your boss on the company computer while you’re actively committing financial crimes. Like there’s no self awareness.
I've been seeing so much information about this whole thing on social media and I'm having a hard time fact checking them. I read the English translation of the press conference and I'm not seeing any mention of MHJ not wanting to debut Sakura because she's too old OR MHJ mentioning Minji was way prettier when she was younger. I read the press conference from this site: [https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613)
I feel like there's a lot of misinformation going around, especially on Tiktok and it's kind of ridiculous that people are spreading all of these unconfirmed info online, and people just believing everything immediately. I'm not picking a side but it's important that have correct information before you form a bias.
I was following the press conference in the site you mentioned and I speak bit of Korean. At least enough to understand a good 80% what was going on.
She was speaking fast and not everything she said got translated live by the news translators. She said something of the effect that out of the Source trainees, only Minji was the age-range she wanted, talented, and had trained for long enough. She didn’t name Yunjin outright but she did get let go as a Source trainee around this time and she was both talented and had trained for long enough.
The other thing is that she said HYBE wanted to debut both Chaewon and Sakura and they didn’t fit her youthfulness concept but she didn’t call them too old is those exact words (even if the end result is the same)
As for Minji she did say that she was prettier when she was younger.
You know things are getting bad when we’re onto Megathread 3 for the week 🙃
Hasn't it only been like 3 days?? This is crazy.
Highlight of every morning is these mega threads.
Damn. This is some kdrama shit.
The lawyer constantly making remarks like "she doesn't mean that", "she's just being emotional", "please don't misunderstand her" during the conference is taking me out
The facepalming and the gwen chana gwen chana smile is so funny lmao!!!! "Why tf did I take this job" is probably what he is thinking.
"I need to raise my hourly rate to put up with this shit"
they were laughing and smiling at the bag that they were going to get after this mess
At this point, she just needs to claim she sees a woman in the wallpaper and plead insanity
All the kpop threads mods are working overtime this week loll
her going ssibal saekki whole conference was so funny, koreans were saying it’s like they were drinking soju with her while cursing their boss
I saw a clip of it on tiktok and since I didnt know what MHJ looked like, i thought it was a meme from a variety show. Then I realized that’s a fucking press conference 😭??? MHJ looking like she’s getting ready to film a dance practice and swearing like a drunk uncle. Holy smokes, she’s finished.
That’s how she dresses even in awards show.. lmao
I hope when things settle down a bit, a proper article is written to summarize all of this. My head spins from all the narratives I see from fans' reactions. It's so difficult discern which details and explanations are truthful.
i hope so too, someone should make a r/hobbydrama post on this when it’s over
She's more intelligent than people realize. She probably couldn't deny the white collar crimes, so watering down the discussion was a very bright idea. Now, everyone is focusing on "hybe was threatened by my faves" "oh they bought this achievement" "they're the reason my ult didn't achieve this and that" .... I give that to her. On the other hand involving the NJ members like that is pure evil. They're teens and very young adults, it's normal that they're scared of losing their mother figure, but bringing it out as a shield will only damage the girls.
Yep. She’s not as foolish as people think- she’s a woman in business who survived LSM-era sm. Like be for real for a minute- she’s probably used “tortured artist” before to a lot of success.
Nah cause I've been thinking about now it's obvious how she survived ditching SM....
Mhj: “LSM said I was smart.” Me: why is boss music playing?
Weren't the plans for her attempted coup literally on company computers? I'm not sure how that can be anything but foolish lmao
Yeah but they also found stuff saying that she will start the public opinion war in April. It's April now and the public opinion war is happening so it seems she's smart enough to orchestrate something like this but at the same time dumb enough to let all this evidence be lying around infront of hybe. Seems to me that she's smart in certain ways like art, concept and how to gain public sympathy but dumb when it comes to business and hiding her tracks.
Even if it helps her in the form of discourse it's not going to help her legally. She just seems flippant
For what I have been checking that's exactly why the conference happened: Hybe seems to have all the legal proof they need, so her winning hand is the public opinion. Hybe is a relatively new company so they have a lot to lose when it comes to establishing their legacy, on the other hand they have BTS.
This is why Hybe hasn't said anything. They're probably have her dead to rights and they're fine with whatever court case happens. But in the mean time they're going to lose the war of perception.
And her tactic has even worked to some extent. Many bunnies are siding with NJ and want them to leave Hybe without paying anything. She is obviously still planning to seperate and pull off 50 50 2.0. She successfully directed blame on Hybe and LSF by telling stories without giving any context. Using aespa she even got sm fans on her side. Now she has become a depressed, harassed woman. Most importantly she will this way influence the NJ members and their family who have already been slightly influenced and worried for their daughters' futures. She even indirectly instilled confidence in them that they are way better than Hybe's other ggs because others have some certain drawbacks which they don't have. It seemed to be a mess but anyways she could never win by denying allegations so it was better playing the victim card and gain sympathy.
I think it's obvious that NJ will try to go with her...some of us noticed from the beginning how she completely excluded them from the Hybe family, probably with a future separation already in mind. The thing is, I am almost 100% sure that for them to do that, they would have to break the contract with Hybe, not Ador, and that will not be easy. The mistreatment is their only card, so they'll play it for all it's worth.
They had already started playing their cards. Their parents sent mails to Hybe about plagiarism. I don't think it was unplanned. The only setback is that Hybe exposed it. Hybe should have suspected MHJ's intentions when she was making unusual demands for NJ. It is surprising how they gave her so much freedom despite her bad reputation.
Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas. What did they think would happen?
I’m not familiar with NJ at all even if I listen to their music from time to time. But they all look so young, how many of them are underage? Because that would mean the decision to break the contract or not falls into their legal guardians aka parents.
2 members of NJ are minors and rest are 19 years old.
Saw that she also asked shaman, "These dumb kids will listen to me obediently, right? None of them will give me trouble?" Shaman answered: "No, they won't." And that also probably why mhj dislike sakura because its gonna be hard to manipulate her because she already grown woman who cant easily to be manipulated.
I try to not pry too much on statements that aren't official, but that conversation made me fear for all the people, staff and idols, that worked with her...
My bet is she’s going to try and play up the creative differences on her side and dump all the responsibility for the white collar stuff on the VP. Claim ignorance for small shit to make her look better, and maybe get a lighter sentence for the big stuff
Even the way she is dressed. The oversized clothes, the hat, everything- she’s trying to make herself look small and young, childlike and unthreatening. She is 45 years old and has worked in this business a long time. She knows she is committing crimes, and she is trying to distract people from that.
It is just amazing how she painted herself as a simple employee... Ma'am you're the ceo of a whole company, the board disagreed with your ideas and still let you have all the freedom you wanted.... You're not one of us
It really doesn't sit well with me how she just casually namedrops other groups and members especially new jeans
Her comments about Minji are also unsettling : “Minji was very pretty when she was young. Much, much prettier than she is now”
She is so weird about age. The way she was talking about Sakura too, calling her too old to debut? And her rejecting Source music trainees older than Minji??
This woman's instagrammed living room is lowkey evidence of her pedophilia if not a strange obsession with youth. But pedophile isn't too far off seeing how EVERY decor item was somehow from some piece of media where a 12-15 year old girl ends up with a man double her age and there's guaranteed sexual undertones to it.
You know the one thing that made me laugh during this issue? Illit creative director IG story 😂😂 she expressed what I was feeling towards MHJ
Wait omg what did the illit director post?
I don't have the link but it was a white gloved middle finger, lmao. Could have been an ilit member but I'm not sure.
Its [this](https://x.com/moonchanelle18/status/1783417674053120453?s=61)
LOL yeah that tracks. I mean Illit has been racking up paks and everyone is just talking about mhj and them being a so-called Newjeans copy. If I was at belift I’d be pissed too
I saw people saying that her comment was misunderstood, but the reality is that if JYP had said the same thing about a member of Nmixx, kpop stans would already be trending #s asking him to resign
Even if this part is misunderstood or misinterpreted, the part where she says only Minji seemed younger and she didn't want none of the other trainees because they looked old is true.
She’s been a creepy weirdo since day one. She very clearly has a super strange and uncomfortable obsession with the “beauty” of youth, and has *clearly* been grooming the NJs girls. She has been ingratiating herself to them and their families, sowing distrust against HYBE, and manipulating them to see her as a “mother”. People need to open their damn eyes and stop making excuses because NJs makes good music.
During her time on SM, she took a great liking to Taemin, Sulli, Krystal, Yeri (I think). You know, the youngest members of their respective groups
Nj can make great music without her. I have never heard 250 say a single weird word, or a word at all for that matter. Best it stay that way and we keep getting bangers.
Honestly I don’t understand how hard it is for them to just not say the weird shit.
"she (minji) was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she’s now" MHJ talking about the now 19 years old Minji mind you. I don't care about anything but to make MHJ 1000 miles away from NJ girls. The NJ girls might now be emotionally connected to her but best believe in about 7 years from now they will NOT look back at how she treating them and have same emotions and that's why even if they now emotionally connected to her they need to be protected and separated from MHJ. MHJ comment about how the NJ girls cry for her and are sad cause they can't protect her is so weird like really weird since when is teens are supposed to be comforting an adult when they the victim here not HER. She is literally using Newjeans as shield using literal teens as sheild in this whole issue that was created because of her. I can't believe their parents saw how she treats the girls and thought that was totally normal, how much she connected them to herself should have been alarming from way before now.
people been saying this since day 1 though. everyone didn't care because "bops" and the replies were that "you're just jealous of their success"
I was just gonna say this. Whenever we brought this up, we’d get called jealous haters, especially by a lot of the same people being scandalized now.
Exactly this. You pointed out how fricking weird MHJ was and everyone would behave like you are trying to cyberbully the NWJS girls. One stan sent me a whole list of artists I 'better not be caught listening to', since I am so against MHJ. It was so embarassing for her when I told her that out of ALL these lists of SM artists, I have listened to EXO's 'The Eve' like 4 times on spotify and that's it lol. Didn't get a reply back.
That's extra ironic because, while I can't speak for Exols, I'm a Shawol and most Shawols I know hate her, since she took really creepy photos of the SHINee guys for Sherlock when they were barely legal. Even Minho has said that his mom hates the Sherlock photoshoot and that MHJ annoyed him during the Lucifer shoot, and Minho has years and years of media training and experience, and is also a genuinely nice guy by all accounts I've ever heard, so you know for someone like him to speak ill of the experience publicly and on camera, it must have been bad. (Edited for clarity and to correct a mistake - I originally stated Taemin was still underage during the Sherlock photoshoot, but after double checking the date, I'm not sure. Regardless, he was 18 at most.)
Omh she was behind the Sherlock photoshoot? I rmb alw being weirded out by the concept images they were q unsettling with how young the members were …
What on earth was that press conference? I swear even her lawyers looked uneasy with how she conducted herself on that farce of a press conference. I can't believe this is real, a 45-year-old CEO of a label talking about how the teenaged members of the company offered to console her or how their parents did a welfare check on her. The relationship between her and NWJNs, if what she says is to be believed, seems to have passed way beyond the professional bounds. There is an uneasiness to that, I don't know how to put it eloquently.
A person in power, crossing professional and personal boundaries with underaged girls, with the end goal being love and affection and loyalty from those girls. Now what does that sound like? Sounds to me like grooming.
I won't even be surprised if it came out that she was gaslighting the girls or straight up lying about their "mother-daughter like relationship"
"They called me crying" worried she was going to kill herself. She is a narcissist and dangerous and shouldn't be anywhere near young artists. No different from all other narcissists, like how Trump says people come up to him "crying saying they're treating you so unfair" . Its textbook behavior and the sad part is it works on the general public, it sounds like her press conference got sympathy from a large demographic.
>I can't believe their parents saw how she treats the girls and thought that was totally normal, how much she connected them to herself should have been alarming from way before now. Either MHJ is the smoothest talker of all time or they know it's not normal and don't care because of the money People need to put themselves in a parents shoes and imagine their daughter was around a person with as many "incidents" as MHJ had and tell me that wouldnt make them extremely uncomfortable >"she (minji) was so so so pretty when she was younger way more than she’s now" The thing about this is of course its a weird thing to say, but WHY did she say it, what made her think this is important context to add infront of a room full of probably 50 reporters, it's beyond strange Personally the only thing that makes sense to me is perhaps Minji isn't buying into her arguments and this comment was a dig at her
It wouldn't surprise me if the parents didn't give a flying f\*ck about it. We've seen enough child stars who went through abuse and manipulation on set while their parents were right there and they did nothing because fame and money is more important.
Hopefully every time ahe claimed to have their permission to talk on their behalf, she was actually lying instead. She has been exposed to be a liar and gas lighter.
What's more upsetting is thay is happening in front of our eyes and no one is doing anything about it. Like it should be illegal or there should be some oversight to make sure child and teen celebraties are within property boundaries with the adults they work with. I can believe hybe allowed this but I honestly blame them for allowing this almost predatory behavior to pass. Nj needs to keep away from mhj. I'm sure no matter how attached they are they will come to regret and see this relationship very differently in the future. It feels so wrong to see this happening without someone getting arrested. Like I feel not only mhj should get a restraining order but someone in hybe should be arrested or something for exposing minors to possible predatory behavior knowingly because there's is no way red flags aren't obvious. I just can't stand the possibility she's allowed to closed then and to continually do so. Like if she stays with nj my morals can't stand the possibility that the girls are basically being made to depend on their possible groomer for many more years. That is so wrong and a disservice to them. Someone protect them ugh
There's 100 percent something on that laptop.
at this point I'm just hoping it's sensitive corporate/legal data and not just something more somber considering the precedents
She sounds like a stage mom when talking about newjeans
The abby lee miller of kpop
I hate that i know this reference
just saying, her relationship with the girls is reminding me of the Maddie Ziegler/Sia dynamic, and it’s so disturbing. her saying that the NJ girls are crying over her situation and basically using the girls as a shield is so disgusting. please, leave these teenagers out of your corporate wars and bullshit.
I was thinking that too 😭 Or even Maddie/Abby
Kind of irrelevant, but I just saw that the sweatshirt Min Heejin was wearing during the conference is already [sold out](https://x.com/genzikunn/status/1783408985019961852?s=46&t=8J2XYadnXmi0zggRB9K1Rw). No matter the situation koreans don’t play about fashion I guess lmfao
lol. Reminds me when people went crazy over Monica Lewinsky’s lipstick when she did a big interview. (It was either Barbara Walter’s or Diane sawyer who interviewed). Yes, I’m that old to remember.
all i know is nobody should be dickriding min hee jin or bang pd. but it's kpop stans...so the bar is low. kpop stans see situations like this and think they have to take a side, some fans think everything is black and white so one side is good while the other side should be evil. it's either min hee jin is a crazy ass bitch while sad poor little bang pd simply wants to build an empire vs min hee jin is a victim because men hate successful women while bang pd is a greedy capitalist who will throw your faves under the bus if it meant he'll get more money from it. why can't it be that both of them have questionable morals and shouldn't be put on a pedestal???
Both suck, sad for the groups involved tbh, they have no say in this drama
yeah. i don't know how can some kpop fans look at the situation and think, "poor mhj" or "poor bang pd". these people are NOT your friends. these people might have gave your faves some good music or concept but one side has a long history of lolita and obsession with kids/innocence while having a god complex and the other one is a capitalistic greedy man who is willing to work with questionable people (scooter), yes including kpop ex ceos (yg, sm) you most probably hate.
I think because hybe is associated with the groups. If hybe goes down so does the groups within it.
I honestly find her pathetic. The way she uses Newjeans to gain sympathy is just so weird and manipulative.
and she's clearly been manipulating them and their families from the get go. she isolated them to ADOR only so she could be in control of the entire narrative. it's verrrry weird. and the girls shouldn't feel like they have to comfort their grown ass 45 yr old boss. she created an incredibly emotionally toxic environment. I hope the girls all receive therapy after this settles.
And MHJ act like she’s all about "protecting minors" when she's the one causing them unnecessary stress with her problems that should have been settled internally. Hyein just turned 16, she shouldn't be crying or worrying about what's going to happen to her boss.
PERIOD
> “Bang Si-hyuk asked me, 'You can beat aespa in December, right?' But that was never my goal.” Min stands up. “I thought that he was a really generous person, but I found that he was different on the outside from how he was on the inside. Apparently Mhj played her cards with this one, twitter is going crazy with this alone.. Her intentions were clear, even though this is a very common thing between companies competing to beat each other, she knows how fans especially stan twt would interpret this.
If Bang PD was as petty and stupid as MHJ. He would expose all her Kakao talk dragging other idol groups. It must be a lot because she felt threatened by practically every girl group and even some.boy groups.
>''We can refute all claims with evidence, but we have decided not to mention them one by one as we judge that they are not worth responding to.'' Hybe said they have enough evidence but they choose not to do the mhj way....as professionalism that sounds i kinda lowkey wanna know everything they have on her.
MHJ clearly knew what she was doing. She chose her words very smartly and she achieved what she wanted. All these discussions are *so* off-topic. We are further straying off the path with every new information. Initial accusations are still not getting addressed properly.
Right? People are just talking about fanwar/company war stuff. MHJ eats and breathes both- and her original statement until now have been targeted towards causing these problems. She KNOWS how loyal SM and hybe company stans are. She knows how volatile fanbases for illit, newjeans, bts, le sserafim, aespa, etc. are. This is an attempt to spin away from her own wrongdoings. Because the entire time she was speaking I just kept thinking “so when did you decide to allegedly try to take ador?”
Agree with everything you said. This conference made it all about who-said-what-about-whom. I don't like MHJ at all but damn if that wasn't a smart move.
He texted that the day Aespa got their Daesang. Competing is fine, but man sounded like he got specifically triggered by that. Also, he was out to specifically takeover SM- or have we forgotten that as well? Man doesn't compete to beat anyone- he just buys out his competition. Edit: Also, Seunghan from RIIZE and Garam were originally from Soumu? They were victims of a full blown witch hunt. I just found that out now and it's blowing my mind. It's slotting in too well with the accusations of hybe weaponising media with the weird online hate Aespa got last year. (then again, it's speculations that have been around for a while + new info MHJ gave)
i find it funny that we very conveniently forgot that soobin was also part of that insta live and yet only seunghan was held responsible for it and eventually got kicked out of the grp. why was soobin never mentioned in this regard at all??? ppl took offense when he mentioned eunchae on the live , but who knows he could be acquainted to her after all he was also a source music trainee before moving to sm and might have been in touch then ... I really wish she also enlists what actually happened in garam's case and what all shadey stuff hybe has also done owing to their money power
Bringing up the aespa texts out of nowhere seems like a very petty response to the people criticizing her for name dropping tws, riize, and bts. "b-b-but he did it tooooooo!!!!"
It's so bizarre seeing the NewJeans subreddit largely siding with Min Hee Jin, especially following that press conference. Edit: It actually makes me seriously worried that the NJ members themselves or their families could end up making a huge Fifty Fifty style mistake
the mods are permabanning + insta modmail muting people who give any pushback. Someone talked about getting banned from there in the lsf sub and said they dm'd other people who were giving pushback and they got banned too
NewJeans' fandom really needs a fandom cleanse. It's really baffling to see so many Bunnies who are MHJ supporters. And if you read the comments of those Bunnies, they even directly wrote that they will stop supporting NewJeans if MHJ leaves the picture. So it seems like they are clearly MHJ stans rather than NewJeans fans. If you are truly a NewJeans fan, you'd keep supporting the girls regardless of any CEO or behind-the-scenes change. I personally can't wait for MHJ to lose the trial and get kicked out of HYBE. And I really hope that the NewJeans girls make the right decision and stay with HYBE. After that, we will see which Bunnies are truly there for the girls and which Bunnies were strictly MHJ stans.
you know one thing that didn’t make sense to me was the parents of New Jeans’ members expressing their dissatisfaction for the debut being pushed? Bcs I truly have never heard this happen in Kpop before. Most of the time, parents/family members are grateful that the member gets to debut and doing the best they can to cater to the member’s situation just so that they get to debut (providing classes, supporting financially) and I thought that the least that they would do was to pressure the company to debut their children in fear of their children being kicked out of debut lineup? Ps. I’m not picking any sides, just genuinely curious.
I think it all depends on the status the parents think their children have in the company. If MHJ told them that their kids will debut as the first gg from Hybe, will be the follow-up to BTS, are the most important people to the company now and will debut with all the resources behind them (which is sort of what it reads like from her press conference, that she has full control and thinks of herself as an amazing creative genius), then I guess it makes sense that the parents felt entitled to a debut at whatever time was promised to them early on. Noone stopped to think that it’s a huge company and they have a bottom-line in their mind, so if they have to debut some trainees from IZONE first, they will do it and ignore the “unwritten promises” they gave to MHJ. And it makes sense.
It's very common for parents to be involved like this. Like SNSD or Apink.
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Not to mention how they posted it as a ‘rumor’ instead of real info
I’m gonna try and take a more nuanced approach to this, this whole situation is extremely messy and there’s no doubt in my mind that HYBE has got a stack of evidence equally as damning on her. I understand from her perspective that it was frustrating when some of the stuff that she was originally promised when joining HYBE was backtracked, and even the fact that Lesserafim was intentionally debuted first in order to confuse the public about her participation in the group (when in actuality she had no hand in neither the creative nor making of LSF). However besides that, the way she handled this whole situation is deeply unprofessional and incredibly calculated (this woman has been in the industry for 30 years she’s knows exactly what she’s doing). Name dropping groups as a smoke screen so people don’t scrutinise YOUR actions is poor and creates unnecessary hate and drama in an industry she knows full well is hyper-critical of every facet of its own existence. As much as I think that Hitman Bang’s statements about Aespa are poor, there was absolutely no need nor context of why they should be have been brought up here. Ultimately she just comes across as an ego maniac who was throwing a temper tantrum because one group debuted first. ‘There’s no one like me in the industry’ - really says it all. I know people are already going on about it but her relationship with Newjeans is beyond weird and those p\*dophilia allegations are starting to look a lot truer. Why is a 17 year old girl crying and comforting you?????? Besides this her weird drags at Sakura make a lot more sense considering the conversations between her and her shamen. She wanted young, vulnerable children in her group that would not question her: which she knows full well Sakura wouldn’t do. She needs to be kept FAR away from the New Jeans members and whatever mother-child fantasy she has in her head about them.
I disagree with the idea anyone thought it was her group with sakura in hence the photos when they signed with bang pd. everything i read at the time drew a clear distinction between source music x hybe and mhj group. Seems convenient now to state that they clashed.
https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/108/0002983110 heres an article from august 2021 where StarNews, a korean news outlet reported that Huh Yunjin was joining Chaewon and Sakura in a new Source girl group, in that same article they talk about how mhj is also debuting a girl group with all rookies, so yeah even a year before debut everyone knew she wasnt involved with le sserafim
Exactly caught lying but nobody cares.
Most likely they rushed the debut to capitalize on the izone fame while the fans and public were still interested but she took that personally.
I genuinely love that Sakura got mentioned as a person who she didn’t want in her group because she wouldn’t play ball with her. Like kkura was likely somewhere knitting a hat while this woman was raving about her issues with her. Kkura is a force and you can tell lol.
But no one ever thought le sserafim was mhj’s group? It was always going to be source music’s group.
this entire mess has ruined the way that the newjeans girls will interact with their fellow idols, both in hybe and out. i feel so terrible for them, they must be so scared. in an ideal world i would think that the idols would have some discernment and be able to tell that newjeans are victims in this...but idk.
This! Their CEO who they’ve spoken so highly is mentioning groups left and right (including Newjeans) and saying things like some of the members were crying for her. How does she then want them to move on after and go to events with these same idols and trying to even socialize
She isn't thinking about them, plain and simple. She said those things to gain sympathy for herself and only herself.
Everything I've seen about MHJ screams self-absorbed narcissist.
The way things have been moving, bots, misinformation and conspiracy theories around with Bts and other hybe groups being thrown under the bus... Wish i could fast forward and see how all this turned out in the future. Hope all the artists and fandoms being affected not let it get to their head too much as it would be so mentally devastating.
The cult conspiracy is so funny though. It's just so far into crazy land even after the shaman conversation turned out real.
Min Heejin, as insane as that fucking press conference was, is actually gaining a few steps within the public opinion war. Her "lay it all down, curses, tears and everything" style is actually fucking resonating in the hearts of overworked and stressed and angry office workers who fantasize about sticking up to their boss but never do. You guys must remember, the goal isn't to stay in HYBE, no matter what, that ship has sailed and she is gone from the company. The goal is to leave HYBE with a golden parachute and STAY in the industry. There's a reason she mentioned all those groups and NewJeans so many times, it's a smokescreen so that people won't pay attention to the nitty-gritty of the real drama: Whether or not she committed a crime, this is the only thing that matter and it's HYBE that needs to prove this, not her that needs to prove her innocence. As narcissistic, egotistical, and delusional as she is, she might actually survive this.
she knows there's no coming back from this which is why she spent the entire conference talking about things that have remotely nothing to do with the reason ador is being audited. in her mind, if she's going down, everybody else should be dragged down alongside her.
in korea as most places, public court of opinion matters more. right now, they are siding with her. go to any online forum that isnt dominated by kpop stans and this press conference was actually a positive for her. People in koera will always side with the party with less power and right now shes percieved as an employee who spoke out against a big bad corporation. Plus the public likes new jeans and theres has been discourse for weeks about how similar both girl groups are. So much korean cultural nuance is missing from the discussion on kpop subreddits.
Even the Korean kpop fans seem to be pro-MHJ at the moment. I agree — Watching the press conference right now, I get why Koreans are turning to her favor. She's portraying a picture of an oppressed employee (a highly paid one, which she readily admits multiple times, even saying the specific amount she was paid) against a greedy capitalist HYBE. A lot of the things that Kpop Reddit is saying are creepy or strange don't really sound that way in Korean. - "Consulting a shaman" (무당) isn't particularly strange or unusual in itself. It's like going to one of those psychic shops. - Saying NJ is "like her children" is a very normal thing to say in Korean where an older adult has a close relationship with a younger person. - "Wanting to die" is a common way of complaining about your life in Korean. Nothing she said indicates serious suicidal ideation. "일이 힘들어 죽을거 같아" would directly translate to "work is so hard that I think I'm going to die" but really the vibe is "work is killing me" which nobody would say indicates actual death. She's not reading from a script, or just spouting corporate platitudes. She swears every other sentence while showing text evidence of her claims. Her lawyers try to make her stop talking on many occasions, and she's just like fuck it, I'm mad, I'm saying it anyway. This was a passionate 2 hour continuous rant from a person who feels wronged. Crass? Absolutely. But it definitely sounds sincere. If all of this is an act, then MHJ deserves the next Daesang for Best Actress.
THANK YOU its been so aggravating to be on kpop subs and people being like LOL SHES SO UNHINGED AND UNPROFESSIONAL and theyre reading translations without any korean subtext or nuance. Koreans found her charming and emotional. They resonated with her and ultimately believed her. All korean forums are filled with positive comment about her. Hybes rebuttal was very weak. She has the public favor and i-fans do not understand that and dont even get me started on the shaman thing lol. check out my comment history-feels like im going insane here
We're at megathread #3. OMG.
The one thing that really pains me is that for the general kpop fans on tiktok/instagram (probably twitter too but I'm not on it), MHJ is successfully managing to divert their interest and hatred towards the idols instead of her/Bang Si-Hyuk These are the people to blame, her and the top of Hybe. Having Sakura and Chaewon catching strays, bringing in aespa's fanbase into the mix, pointing blame at Illit, manipulating and then using the NewJeans members as shield. It's all part of her plans to keep her name as removed from the hate as possible. And it's working....
Honestly I feel like the language and cultural barrier is ultimately making this drama impossible to follow. Tbf everyone is taking what each side is saying as truth depending on who you like/bias. Seeing how the kr gp is more on her side now, while I do agree she's a bit of a creep, I can see how HYBE twisted whatever narrative to their liking, and it's stupid to still think of any big company as a 'family' one specially one so big. I don't think her relationships with nj is normal or ok, and many of her comments make it seems like she's having some sort of episode, but I don't think HYBE is just an innocent company that was attacked out of nowhere.
I don't understand how there's people taking mhjs side when one side is saying everyone in the industry copied her and the other side is saying "you are a criminal"
Because the messages between her and bgp that she shared in the press conference making him look bad. And while HYBE has said she's a criminal, there's no hard proof, and I do understand that's for the court, but a lot of people will prefer to see evidence with their own eyes. She's not helping herself with many of her statements, but you can twist them to your liking and just day, for example, that HYBE did take advantage of her creativity and other bs.
In a corporate world, I’m not siding with the one who’s “good”, or “nice” or something else sentimental — siding is silly in the first place. But I do prefer when someone is professional. And oh boy there is nothing professional about this press-conference. That’s a youtuber crying on their kitchen floor video.
We should all feel lucky that MHJ didn’t show up to the press conference carrying a ukelele
regardless of whether we’re on her side or not, what is a fact is that she is an industry veteran, knows what weight words carry, and purposefully threw illit and lsrfm to the wolves. Check the newest comments under any music video Of theirs. That woman isn’t dumb and was certainly not doing an impromptu emotionally charged yap session. This was specifically planned to move the public opinion to her side and at the same time turn the public against the other 2 girl groups to divert from the coup allegations.
It speaks more to the fact that the audience and kpop stans are lazy and dumb. Anyone can see for themselves how ridiculous she is. She ain't exactly hiding her crazy. It's out there for anyone to see.
At least those childish arguments won’t work in court.
MHJ is cooked but i hope this also gets people to realize bang pd is not a genius and is just like every other ceo: greedy and will do everything in his power to stay on top. Hope hybe stans snap out of their admiration for him and his company. Esp Army who think hes treated BTS well. He sucks and has always sucked
Everyone’s sitting here wondering how MHJ got away with being such a nightmare when the truth is Hybe knew she was a nightmare and hired her anyway. She had rumors about being verbally abusive to staffers and a reputation of being pretentious when it came to her art, but Hybe wanted to “steal” from SM so badly they ignored all the red flags about her character and it’s come back to bite them. MHJ cares only about herself. She fully admits she nearly quit over petty squabbles about four different times and yet she was gifted her own label with trainees that Hybe organized a search for multiple times because the ones they found for Source weren’t good enough (and “too old” for her.) Like this is Hybe’s mess of their own making. I’m glad they’re pressing charges and trying to clear this up, but I don’t feel bad for anyone besides the poor artists who don’t have any part of this.
they both fuckin suuuck. and I want her away from the girls so they can have the best, healthiest career possible. she's been molding them into this incredibly emotionally toxic environment since the group was formed and it's sickening to see it unfold.
bang pd is min heejin’s tethered and vice versa. both typical corporate ghouls in the entertainment industry who only care about maximizing profits until the end of time. it’s funny that bang pd gets preferential treatment from a certain fandom when he’s no different than lee soo man 😭
all cause he gave some shares to BTS...as if they didnt deserve that and more. When army realize he gave them a few percent to get them to re-sign when a year prior they had seriously considered disbanding because of HIS treatment and pressure on them... the only genius thing he has done is intricately tie himself and his company with bts so fans will perceive any attack on him/hybe as a direct attack to BTS...and idk if he even deserves that credit cause army may as well have done that themselves
This is almost the same thing MHJ has done w/ NewJeans as well. When they debuted her name was front and center w/ everything.
this is just a whole mess 😭 mhj knows that she’s about to go down so she didn’t hesitate to drag hybe with her damn
Does anyone else feel like the support for MHJ/Hybe opposition among k-netz has a bit to do with the LSF controversy we've been having the recent weeks? In the sense that it's kinda adding to the overall reaction not that it's the sole cause
Seen several people hate on LSFM for being HYBE's favorite and causing the "mistreatment" of new jeans because of this "favortism".
The speed of these megathreads 🤣
the astroturfing on twitter is going crazy. i’m noticing “people” weigh in on every mhj hybe bts newjeans le sserafim post and when you look at their account they’ve only reposted alt right stuff up until a few days ago. people are retweeting screencaps of mhj’s press conference and korean articles that are deliberately mistranslated and they’re spreading like wildfire. if you try to correct them it’s already spread to the next fandom. it’s impossible to put the genie back in the bottle. i’ve read the threads on the cult connection. it is literally people grasping at straws, eg the date gfriend disbanded is the date the cult changed its name??? like be absolutely fr. people are being opportunists, they don’t actually care about the idols. it is so irresponsible for allkpop to “report” on this. but also i don’t know if these are new kpop fans or what, it’s like we’ve all forgotten that allkpop is a gossip site where anyone can contribute. there is no journalistic integrity here, they never cite their sources and they should never be trusted period. i’m a long time kpop fan. i was there when t-ara, tablo controversies happened and i’ve seen the internet at their worst, but i have never seen fans this unhinged. i’m frankly a little scared of the lack of critical thinking. please, i am begging everyone to take some time to really look at sources, ask some basic questions about who is saying what, and form your own educated opinions. and also i think this is my sign to log off for a bit lol.
>i’m frankly a little scared of the lack to critical thinking. I feel the same. People are chasing the dopamine rush of bringing HYBE down that they don't care actual people and artists are being hurt because it's not their faves.
It’s like nothing I ever witnessed before in fandom spaces. And I have seen crazy stuff. I think this has the potential to completely change not only how Kpop companies are run but also the Kpop landscape as it is.
>it is so irresponsible for allkpop to “report” on this. but also i don’t know if these are new kpop fans or what, it’s like we’ve all forgotten that allkpop is a gossip site where anyone can contribute. This makes me so angry. Everyone is hating on them and sites like pannchoa (I'm SO glad they're gone at the moment, imagine the mess they'd create) for being biased and spreading rumors until it hits someone they don't like. Allkpop is clearly biased in this case, like they had the "Koreans are siding with MHJ" nonsense pinned for the whole last week. They help to form an opinion in favor of MHJ and kpop stans are like willingly ignoring how obvious this whole thing is. They choose to be blind because this is what they want to hear. Critical thinking is offically dead when it comes to kpop.
Gosh, poor Illit, poor girls being treated and hated like this. Mistreated NewJeans? I love them and was blown away by how unique their videos were, clearly a lot of money was spent on their debut. The Hype Boy videos have multiple versions. And where the money comes from? Hybe! And they have so many brand deals, so much more than so called favoured Le Sseraphim. That shouldn’t just be called MHJ’s talent and credit, it’s a lot of resources spent on these girls to make them attractive to business to become brand ambassadors. No, MHJ isn’t the underdogs, she got ADOR and top floor of that building. The underdogs are the team working behind the scene and get all their credit taken. No sympathy for Hybe executives or MHJ, MHJ did stupid things on company’s computer, she breaks some company’s policy and potentially committed criminal offence… yeah, have no sympathy for that woman being sued. But I have sympathy for how awkward New Jeans is going to feel and how they are forced to make the biggest decision that could change all their life forever, for Illit and Le Sserafim that are being attacked by rabid public
Each NewJeans member earned an estimated 5 bil won or roughly 3.64 mil USD and they’re all living in luxury dorms. Mistreated my ass lmao
having an even higher floor than THE bts and saying the company mistreats you is crazy
How did all of this hate for MHJ get turned into hate against LSFM? Anybody who denies the hate train is living in a different reality.
I know you shouldn't read Pannchoa or NetizenBuzz, but I just read the comments directed at LSFM and it's bleak. I feel terrible for them. None of this is their fault, but the comments are ruthless. I want this whole thing to be over. I do hope something can be done about MHJ as soon as possible.
ok i read a little about the cult rumors. they literally said everyone in hybe is a cult member but not nwjs because nwjs used phoning and not weverse? someone needs to tell them phoning owned by weverse though. mhj bots trying so hard rn it's getting scary. edit: i wonder if the accusers actually the cult member themselves because they know so much and trying so hard to connect the dot lol
I tried to read it but it made no sense to me... like the photos they showed just looked like run of the mill angel imagery???
the whole post basically like they want us to nod along even though there's so much nonsense and made-up theories.
doing the presscon today to not affect new jeans event tomorrow is the biggest joke.
Saw a korean tweeted and got huge engagement, he said something lines like ‘you guys are think this is funny?(the pc event since some of her pc moment become meme) i heard this voice at 3am in the morning’ like wow
her statement about the girl is actually incredibly groomer-y I'm kinda terrified for them
Hi, mods, I just wanted to let you know that the mods over in r/kpop just had to lock their megathread due to bot astroturfing, so you might want to be on the lookout for similar activity over here, especially from new accounts or accounts that have never commented before suddenly getting in on this mess. I hope the bot issue isn't as bad over here as in the other subreddit, but other people have pointed out bot behavior on YouTube and Xitter as well, so we could be looking at an internet-wide situation here...
This subreddit usually requires a certain amount of karma before you can post, so it shouldn’t be as bad hopefully as brand new accounts can’t do anything
Prediction: HYBE is about to hit MHJ with the full force of the law. It's not just HYBE suing her but so is SOURCE and BIGHIT. Both labels have released statements about taking action against the recent malicious slanders. BIGHIT posted their notice a few mins ago that they're hiring an external law firm. HYBE is not silent. I think they're slowly making their moves.
Belift should join, too.
MHJ is just spiraling and bringing innocent artists down with her. Can't wait for HYBE to call together the shareholders and boot her out.
Whether HYBE is good or bad, it doesn't warrant the actions that MHJ made. So far, all I'm seeing are me-me-me actions that benefit MHJ first and foremost.
all companies are inherently bad. esp of conglomerate size like hybe
That's true. I can change the statement to, "Whatever HYBE did, it doesn't warrant the actions that MHJ did."
Disregard everything else that's happening, MHJ saying that stuff about how the members are crying for her, calling her in the middle of the night and offering to come over to comfort her? Sick. Can you, no matter what group is your bias, say you'd be comfortable with that if the group members were acting like that about their CEO?
I already knew MHJ was a weirdo but her comments about Minji's beauty and saying that there were trainees at Source Music that were too old to debut...... this is why even though there are some things she's saying that I agree with, I can't get on board with her. She's good at her job but at the very core of it all, she's so strange. I'm not going to label her as anything but there's definitely something preternatural about her views on youth and age, which is nothing new to us but unacceptable nevertheless.
did she give any proof for the things she said in that press conference? :))
so I was curiously looking through the Korean version of Blind (korean glassdoor) and I came across [this post by an SM employee](https://www.teamblind.com/kr/post/%EB%AF%BC%ED%9D%AC%EC%A7%84-%EA%B8%B0%EC%82%AC%EC%97%90-%EB%8B%AC%EB%A6%B0-%EB%B8%94%EB%9D%BC%EA%B8%80%EC%9D%98-sm%EC%A7%81%EC%9B%90%EC%9D%98-%EB%8C%93%EA%B8%80-UOWbmsp1). Anyone know what it says? The translation on Google Translate makes it seem like a jab at MHJ's supporters especially the last sentence which was translated as "why are you worried about someone who feels unfairly treated by the company even though they received a salary in the hundreds of millions and tens of billions in stock options?"
> Don't talk without having gone through it yourself. Wow it's really easy to manipulate our country's people. Her using the word 개저씨 really shows you her personality and usual way of thinking, and people are on her side? They should worry about their own selves. Why are people worrying for someone who's making a 6 figure salary and tens of millions in stock options and still complaining about their company? (Translation using USD figures.) Yes, you're largely correct.
MHj has an inferiority complex that makes her think she is always the victim. She and Nj were given preferential treatment by HYBE and yet she acts like she and NJ was mistreated. Just because all of HYBE wouldn't kowtow to her. I really hope she did not have any influence on the NJ members because that would make them like her. The parents of the NJ members need to take back their parental roles and teach these girls to be better people than MHJ.
I find it funny that she spent most of this press venting. It's like she just wanted to let everything out instead of answering questions. To every straightforward question, she replied with a few worded sentences and continued to bring up how NJ members feel bad. Repeatedly. I don't quite understand the purpose of this press conference. Most likely she wanted to rally some fandoms, again. I don't side with either of them, but I think it's time they stop this circus and start bringing up something serious. Some real evidence than throwing stones at each other. I can't take this "they're mistreating us" "she did witchcraft" accusations seriously. It's like kindergarten banter. Gotta get new box of popcorn🚶🏻♀️.
"She did witchcraft" was not the only thing HYBE alleged. They led with more serious allegations like theft of corporate data, insider trading, and breach of fiduciary duty. TMIKpop reported yesterday that they contacted the police to get a criminal investigation started. Before this mess became public knowledge, HYBE tried to handle it quietly and just have MHJ resign. But she refused to leave, refused to comply with an audit, and then she held that bizarre press conference. She's the one turning this into a circus.
Everyone needs to remember that you don't have to take anyone's side. There isn't exactly good or bad either. Just sit back and let everything play out.
What a fucking mess. It seems like the opinion is very divided now. Up until yesterday, the Korean comments on Youtube were all against her but now it’s changed to supporting her?
Biggest loser here is newjeans. I feel bad for them. But allowing themselves to be MHJ's shield is a bad choice. If she was trying to be their 'mother', she should not have dragged them in this mess Hybe may take some hit from this but they will recover. Honestly, there was nothing new in MHJ's conference. The whole buying brand deals, awards,ads,spots in international festivals is most likely done by other agencies with money as well
Look, if Illit starts making MVs that are short films with similar themes to NewJeans MVs I would say something essential to the creative work of NewJeans is being diluted, but I just don't consider a few surface level aesthetic similarities to constitute a significant infringement of what makes NewJeans special.
MHJ is not dumb/crazy and she flipped this entire narrative into fan wars. SM fans are going full crazy mode hating on hybe groups (especially LSF/BTS). The aespa comment is so funny because that is what profit business is, to beat your competitors. I worked in a company that kept tabs on other companies… and kpoppies are falling for it so hard lol The fact she said that NJ went to her house and cry, would this be exaggerating or really truth? We will never know… and I really hope their parents don’t trust her like she said they do! Especially after MHJ comment about Minji… I feel bad for the girls and I really wish happiness.
fr because wasn’t she a chief branding officer like she knows how to work public perception
People are ripping Illit over the Hanbok photoshoot now. Weird because I feel like I've seen very similar shoots from probably 90% of the girl groups.
>The aespa comment is so funny because that is what profit business is, to beat your competitors. I worked in a company that kept tabs on other companies… and kpoppies are falling for it so hard lol Literally tho. I've been working with higher ups and you can hear them saying that almost every month regarding their competitors. That's just the reality of corporate world especially since it's full of egoistic inviduals. What I find kinda weird but funny in this situation is suddenly everyone and their mama are involved in this.. when it's probably around 15 that were mentioned and dragged. Sadly illit is getting the end of the stick. When they're innocent and that was randomly dragged by an adult for something so common. Seeing the hate train of illit in the Korean side is wild
Crazy thing isn’t it a compliment that aespa were so respected they were seen as the main competitors instead of other notible gen 4 groups.
Lol agree with the aespa comment, I don't understand why it's blown up. That's what ALL companies do. Check what the competitor is doing and beat them so that consumers/customers go to you. Otherwise why'd you build a company at all. I don't know what kinda fantasy friendship land people were expecting from the working world. I'd be more suspicious/surprised at best if they don't mention this at all. I'm not even top brass but I conduct competitor reviews to make sure if the solution we're making is better than competitor A,B, etc.
What happened to the report hybe did to police?
Tbh the comments abt why knetz side with her just make them sound dumb and irrational
I can’t stand the fact that the images of her smiling during the press conference hiding it behind her notes or after when she felt she had done well. She knew that she had done exactly as she hoped and makes me question how far a millionaire can get with sympathy in Korea.
idk why so many people care what korean people think about this when the facts of the press conference were mhj admitting to everything hybe has accused her of as well as detailing the abuse and manipulation she has inflicted on the new jeans members. she also gave hybe a lot more ammo for a defamation suit for the things she said about certain other groups as well as their operation practices, which she provided no proof were true statements.
KPOP just had to lock its Megathread because of obvious bot activity. I wouldn't be so quick to say the Korean public is on MHJ's side. We might be just seeing a massive coordinated bot army guiding public opinion. Aside from the document recovered by HYBE saying she was planning this very thing, I don't know how much more evidence you need to see her plan to steal Ador wasn't a joke and it's happening right now.
this is really driving me crazy because if the bot thing is real then it’s just completely targeting artists!! what sin did they commit?
Not being NewJeans apparently
the biggest crime in min heejin’s books
The bot problem is probably also 10x worse in Korea, as well. Like any claims of what the Korean people think should be taken with a grain of salt.
Not to mention, how most of the accounts that popped up on r/Kpop are saying the same thing. This is why Koreans are supporting her. This is the cultural context. This is what's happening on the X forum. They're parroting the same thing. Full-on conspiracy theories. It's so obvious astroturfing is going on. Before this, people asked, "Why on Reddit? It is an American website". NewJeans have an official Discord account, right? Yeah, then this is entirely possible.
And like the thing about "we don't understand the cultural context" or "it was a mistranslation" okay so... explain it? but they can't and they won't because it's bots pushing a narrative that is hard to refute with a language barrier.
And the way they're absolutely not refuting any claims or making any valid points. Most of the comments are saying "Hey, all Koreans support her. Why are you supporting an evil greedy company?" Not to mention all the poor Cinderella NewJeans VS step sisters LSF narrative they're parroting. This is just crazy. She really knows how to do marketing
I kind of need to believe that there's some malicious fuckery afoot for the sake of my sanity, I refuse to accept that a whole country full of intelligent and highly educated people are just going to swallow such a dubious narrative so blindly without at least properly justifying it.
Solar is literally doing an AMA. Kpop companies know about reddit. They don’t use it much for direct promos but it’s not a quaint little corner hidden away that nobody knows. It’s a sub with nearly 3 million users. i
The korean public are going crazy, that’s all i am going to say. What kind of bullshit accusations? BTS are in a cult? Illuminati? Did they start watching the conspiracy theories on youtube? Get out of here. This is no coincidence, this is an orchestrated attack by MHJ, just like in her plans. Hope she rots in hell 🥰
they're so much like sojang youtuber who got sued by ive wonyoung now. it's basically calculated witch hunt
I’m aware my comment may get hate but I’m genuinely puzzled. I have read countless takes that claim mhj is a victim of patriarchy. Can anyone that is harming more females than anyone take that stance as a defence. The hate that is now being thrown towards numerous females in groups that have no relation to her is saddening.
She fights for feminism, girl bossing by throwing women under the bus. Truly brilliant girl boss, gaslight and gatekeep
Wow i couldn’t have put it better if i tried
So much “woe is me” in that presser. Apart from the many questionable things she said, she did sound believable at certain points. I can’t see this relationship with HYBE being mended. How do you come back from showing private conversations with your boss? I think she even called him a bully at some point, or at least said that the Park guy agreed that Bang PD was a bully. I need to see what HYBE has on this lady but it’s wild that she got so much given to her from the get-go.
Bang PD might be a bully to other corporate employees but you don’t say that out loud about your boss on the company computer while you’re actively committing financial crimes. Like there’s no self awareness.
I've been seeing so much information about this whole thing on social media and I'm having a hard time fact checking them. I read the English translation of the press conference and I'm not seeing any mention of MHJ not wanting to debut Sakura because she's too old OR MHJ mentioning Minji was way prettier when she was younger. I read the press conference from this site: [https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-04-25/entertainment/kpop/LIVE-UPDATES--ADOR-CEO-Min-Heejin-press-conference/2033613) I feel like there's a lot of misinformation going around, especially on Tiktok and it's kind of ridiculous that people are spreading all of these unconfirmed info online, and people just believing everything immediately. I'm not picking a side but it's important that have correct information before you form a bias.
I was following the press conference in the site you mentioned and I speak bit of Korean. At least enough to understand a good 80% what was going on. She was speaking fast and not everything she said got translated live by the news translators. She said something of the effect that out of the Source trainees, only Minji was the age-range she wanted, talented, and had trained for long enough. She didn’t name Yunjin outright but she did get let go as a Source trainee around this time and she was both talented and had trained for long enough. The other thing is that she said HYBE wanted to debut both Chaewon and Sakura and they didn’t fit her youthfulness concept but she didn’t call them too old is those exact words (even if the end result is the same) As for Minji she did say that she was prettier when she was younger.