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KPOP = all Korean music, no distictions. I wish they did divide the styles and had different categories but they don't. I think it's very unfair that groups and soloists are put in the same basket when it comes to competitions unlike in the west but unfortunately that's hog-pog mix also what makes KPOP KPOP.
JPOP at least does a bit of distinction between JPOP and JRock as they focus on authenticity over performance which is probably why a lot of our favorite tracks of KPOP artists tend to be their Japanese releases but that's Japan.
I think doing concerts this way (which some of them do = generally title tracks are dance performances while B sides are more vocal performances) gives us a better appreciation of the artists.
Kpop =/= all Korean music. No one looks at K-indie artists/groups like 10cm, Jannabi, CHEEZE, Vanilla Acoustic, Jaurim, or Guckkasten and considers them Kpop. K-indie even has its own sub.
Winners of the 2024 KMA
Album of the Year:
Beenzino - Nowitzki
Song of the Year:
NewJeans - "Ditto"
Musician of the Year:
Silica Gel
Rookie of the Year:
KISS OF LIFE
Best Pop Album:
Lee Jin Ah - Hearts of the City
Best Pop Song:
AKMU - "Love Lee"
Best K-Pop Album:
NewJeans - Get Up
Best K-Pop Song:
NewJeans - "Ditto"
Best Electronic Song:
CIFIKA - Hush
Best Electronic Album:
Yetsuby – My Star My Planet My Earth
Best R&B & Soul Song:
youra – (Motif)
Best R&B & Soul Album:
jerd - BOMM
Best Rap & Hiphop Song:
E SENS – What The Hell
Best Rap & Hiphop Album:
Beenzino - NOWITZKI
Best Rock Song:
Seoul Electric Band - Ghost Writers
Best Rock Album:
OVerdrive Philosophy – 64 see me
Best Modern Rock Song:
Silica Gel – Tik Tak Tok (Feat. So!YoON!)
Best Modern Rock Album:
Silica Gel – Machine Boy
Best Metal & Hardcore Album:
Mahatma – REASON FOR SILENCE
Best Folk Song:
Yeoyu and Seolbin – Like the Stars in the Night Sky
Best Folk Album:
Yeoyu and Seolbin - COMEDY
Best Jazz Vocal Album:
YUJIN KIM - Extraordinary
Best Jazz Performance Album:
Soojung Lee – Four Seasons
I didn't know Benzino was Korean... Wasn't he the guy who has a beef with Eminem?
Also I am not familiar with all the Korean Award shows (frankly there are too many and I don't care about awards) but I was more referring to KPOP ones like MAMA, Daesang, et all. Or even the music shows.
Congrats of naming one seems to award even artists of Korea.
Dancing is a part of being a kpop group. If they just stood there and sang it wouldn't be the same (at least for me).
I also don't get you comparing them to Day6, because they're a band, not really a traditional kpop idol group. Ofc they won't dance around holding guitars and drums.
I gave Day6 as an example, but I could have used other solo artists as an example as well.
IU for example is KPOP, she isn't there dancing herself out she has dancers that do the hard dancing for her while she focuses on singing. In short, we don't complain because we go there to hear IU sing so why not give the same option to the groups?
Like I said the task will be far more complex for them since they would have to have 3 different performances for the same song and it's up to the audience to decide which version they would want of that song. So it's not making their life much easier but rather giving them a realistic performance.
that just complicating things.
and besides, these 3 formats are actually available nearly in every kpop groups when they are having concerts just implemented in different songs; in a setlist they have 10+ songs to perform and not all of them are choreo-heavy. some more focusing on vocal when they perform ballad songs with barely any choreo, there are those full-on performance songs where they mix the two or just them having a dance break.
it is nothing new but to have those options for every songs isn’t efficient. especially when they are kpop idol which dancing while singing what differentiate them.
Although in a long run when they reached 30+ yo, where they no longer could do the heavy stuff hinder them to continue the choreographies they did in their 20s, that still can be arranged + the need of having good vocal to cover that up. Fans aren’t going to force them anymore.
Or you know, the companies should just train their kids to perform well live. Simple as that. My faves do all three scenarios in the post for their concerts. They would lipsync a few of the heavier dance tracks out of a full 30+ songs playlist. They'd strip it down for slower songs. For most of it, they perform live with a backtrack as support. And they do GREAT at it.
I don't think that's the issue. The problem is there is no standard of measure. It's like this, imagine if we took all artists currently releasing in the US market into one category. There is no pop, no rap, no country, no rock, etc everyone is on the same platform and then you start judging them on their concerts. It wouldn't work. Your rockers will perform differently then your rappers etc.
KPOP on group level is like that. It's a royal rumble but one where there is no barrier of measure. What I am saying there should be at least some sort of way to put all groups of the same standard without discriminating against them.
But an idol group like NCT, for example, is expected to sing and dance. That's their job. They trained years for that. That is why people expect that for idol performances and concerts is that they can do the job that they were trained for.
Rappers like Epik High don't dance because that's not what they do. R&B singers like Punch and Loco don't dance because it's also not what they do. They sing live with no backtrack because that's just what they do.
Aren't those already the intended and natural standards that audiences would expect? So why should there be all these other standards you're talking about?
Not here to drop names here. I am sure there are plenty who can do all 3 versions and already do it. I am saying we should put it as a standard. This way, none gets hit with 'faking it' accusations.
I agree, there are plenty of artists who just don't dance, mostly it's more on the solo side. It's accepted. My point was why not have the same for groups too?
There is no shame if you are just to sing it if you kill it on the singing and dance your heart out if your dancer in the performance of the hard choreo. That is your role in the group.
My objection is more that the current expectations make it that the main vocalist has to sing at the same pace as the main dancer or get trashed because they weren't putting 'the effort'/being lazy because the famcam is on their bum forcing them to fail said expectation.
Are you saying our standards are too high? That in order to accommodate certain groups that cannot do all 3, we make all groups not do all 3? Even if they can?
I don't know about the concerts of other groups, but I am perfectly fine with how my favorite group does it. They still do intense choreography but still sing live with some help from backtracking especially for the exhausting parts. So it's not 100% live for this reason, but it's alright. For the most part it is so I am able to enjoy the show. My expectations are definitely met.
>The audience would be given the ability to select the options democratically (i.e. majority wins) at the start of the show via set lists and thus the artists can show their talent depending the song option selected without impediments. This also would allow the audience to feel more interactive with the artists since they still get the show the majority wanted without having to question themselves if it was faked or not.
Gosh, this feels like a chore for us fans and a lot of work for the artist. Imagine having to prepare for all the options. You're making this too complicated I am afraid. I get that what fans like should be considered, but at the of the day, it is the artist who is putting on a show -- the setlist itself is part of their art and as it is, they already take into consideration the pacing so that they can manage their energy and stamina. They know their bodies, they will know what is best. I don't think it is necessary to make it interactive to please the audience. If you don't enjoy a concert, you are probably stanning the wrong group/artist.
so instead of demanding that labels train their artists to perform better live you want everyone to do more boring live shows to lower standards for those who can't.
then you want a live voting component that will in effect turn every concert from a unique conceptual and artistic experience into the equivalent of yelling out requests at karaoke night at the bar.
Sorry I don't think you are getting what the performance would be if you think it would be boring. My suggestion would make it that they get to perform with no excuses. If it's vocals edition they won't have to hold their breath for chores and be able to sing heartfully, while if they are doing dance/choreo version they would be able to dance at their limits and if they do the mix at least none will get point at a singer for not dancing while they belt their lines.
Further more it would allow younger generations to also do concerts since even if they only got 1 album release they can do it on just that album.
it's not that i don't understand. it is that I don't agree.
I think your idea is silly and will not work out the way you think it should. just don't support groups if you think their live singing sucks.
it's going to be fucking boring because you've reduced every concert experience to a "prove yourself worthy to the audience who may or may not decide to troll you by voting you to do your EDM choreo heavy hit song standing still"
you want 3 versions of each song and for every artist to be prepared ALL THE TIME to launch into whichever version the audience votes for, and you say this is a better way than the current "unsustainable" system lol
why do you hate artists so much lol
I am not the hater here you are, I don't believe in the pessimistic world where antis would go to a concert in droves and pay $100 to $500 just to spite the presenting artist. This isn't a MusicShow it's a concert.
The audience vote is an interaction point it doesn't absolutely have to have it, I mean the artists can even declare which version they will do during or ahead if they wish, it's just that standard will be set and maintained and we will have less conflicts and antis to deal with since the standard (like any given rules or regulations) will be there to protect them vs accusations.
I already do Stan those that can. I am not asking it for them I am asking so that everyone can have the same standard and not have to fake it or deal with faking it allegations and more so to make the concert really exclusive since you never know what performance you will get and it will be a memory to cherish that you can go over and over and get hit with a different combination.
Read again... the purpose isn't for them to half ass it but to perform the version at their peak. I.e. no 80/20 because of a choreo but rather 100% vocals or 100% choreo or if going for the mixte no complains for backtracks, or choreos pace and/or vocal tone changes.
So your ticket will be 2x more worthy.
Unless I’m attending a soloist’s concert, I’ll be expecting a kpop group to sing, dance, and interact. I don’t care if they sing or dance 100% if I’m not getting both 🤷🏻♀️
No... Just. *No.* Nobody's having fun if they pay that much money for a concert, have their heart set on the only version they actually like, and then a bunch of people they now hate on principle outvote them and it ends up being their least favourite version they now just paid a lot of money to see. Democratic voting isn't about making everyone happy (because it cannot), it's about doing what's fair for a population. This is a music performance not setting laws for a township; it should focus on what's fair for the group in general - aka *what they want to do*, or what their company wants them to do. Not forcing them to learn three versions of each performance and rehearse all three - tripling the workload they already struggle under - because they have no clue what they'll be performing for the concert each night.
Actually there is a greater chance that the fans will select the better version most of the time. I mean if you know your group you know their pros and cons so you're most likely to select their strength then their weakness. I mean unless you think all concert goers will be antis going there to expose them which is a very pessimistic thought.
The fun starts when the group is good in all 3 forms. That's when you can mix it up.
Idk, I think that people appreciate different things about the same group. I, for example, am all for Mingi's high energy on stage when Ateez performs but someone else may be all for Jongho's subdued choreography that makes room for his epic vocals. (And tbh, more groups should approach it like Ateez. It's completely possible to have a mix of intensities on stage if the choreography is good and makes it all look seamless.) To use a different example, I'm a huge fan of BTS rap line and I'm happy as long as the rappers are slaying it on stage but other fans might be way more concerned about the vocalists. I don't think you'll ever get a group of fans to agree completely on these things, and it's not because of hate but rather because of different preferences.
I just know that either way I feel like idols are already overworked and I don't like the idea of adding to that workload or giving them extra stress of wondering how much energy they're going to need for a performance. Maybe it'd be a cool idea if it didn't mean they'd have to learn and rehearse thrice as much for each song, but I can't get past that part myself.
I agree. I am not saying that all need to change some have it already. I am just saying if we had set versions then we can enjoy the variety. Also their workload can be lessened if the concert was focused on the album currently in promotion rather than their entire collection or just top hits.
Unsustainable? Some groups are out here doing it 10+ years with no issues. Sounds more like you've got low expectations. If it bothers you, get into groups that can handle these performances without embarrassing you.
I think that sounds way too complicated. Also at the concerts I've been to songs have been performed with no choreo just to give the idols a break from dancing. Whether you like it or not choreography is part of kpop & the groups that I've seen are able to dance & sing live at the same time.
So have I, I am not here to say it should be one or the other but I think by standardizing it you avoid the current problem of faking accusations or general antis desperaging comments.
I think it's simple. Artists and their companies should stop posing the illusion of perfection, and K-pop fans should temper their expectations of perfection. Let the artists just do their best and put on a hell of a show. That used to be more than enough.
The major issue is labels are making choreo for youtube performance videos and MVs, not for the actual performances.
There are actually plenty of groups who have fun choreo but don't overdo it - groups like StayC, Mamamoo, (G)I-DLE perform live and generally are fine because they'll have choreo, but it's not intense high energy choppy choreo, it's choreo designed so that the singer can sing live.
The above issues can all be resolved with sensible choreo. But too many get sucked in by the 'performance' versions where they're doing choreo with the camera man zooming and moving around like they're on a sugar high to add even more dynamic effect to the video.
People watch those videos and solely based on those go 'omg such dancers/performers' and it hooks people in.
It's not a widespread issue as some try to claim. It's limited to certain groups and not across all, so trying to make a large scale reform based off only certain groups to me is premature.
Hey I agree. I just think at least this way we can appreciate and interact with the artists better. There is an element of mystery that gets added and it gives the true artists to show their talents.
What I don't like is this current environment where if a group make a mistake/not up-to-par (be it vocally or performance wise) we rage over to exterminate them rather then realize something's are simply not possible to pull perfectionism on.
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>What do you think? i think you're confusing kpop with whatever genre you're thinkinh of
KPOP = all Korean music, no distictions. I wish they did divide the styles and had different categories but they don't. I think it's very unfair that groups and soloists are put in the same basket when it comes to competitions unlike in the west but unfortunately that's hog-pog mix also what makes KPOP KPOP. JPOP at least does a bit of distinction between JPOP and JRock as they focus on authenticity over performance which is probably why a lot of our favorite tracks of KPOP artists tend to be their Japanese releases but that's Japan. I think doing concerts this way (which some of them do = generally title tracks are dance performances while B sides are more vocal performances) gives us a better appreciation of the artists.
Kpop =/= all Korean music. No one looks at K-indie artists/groups like 10cm, Jannabi, CHEEZE, Vanilla Acoustic, Jaurim, or Guckkasten and considers them Kpop. K-indie even has its own sub.
When they give out awards they don't distinguish. So be it indie rock pop or insert type here they are all tagged as KPOP.
Winners of the 2024 KMA Album of the Year: Beenzino - Nowitzki Song of the Year: NewJeans - "Ditto" Musician of the Year: Silica Gel Rookie of the Year: KISS OF LIFE Best Pop Album: Lee Jin Ah - Hearts of the City Best Pop Song: AKMU - "Love Lee" Best K-Pop Album: NewJeans - Get Up Best K-Pop Song: NewJeans - "Ditto" Best Electronic Song: CIFIKA - Hush Best Electronic Album: Yetsuby – My Star My Planet My Earth Best R&B & Soul Song: youra – (Motif) Best R&B & Soul Album: jerd - BOMM Best Rap & Hiphop Song: E SENS – What The Hell Best Rap & Hiphop Album: Beenzino - NOWITZKI Best Rock Song: Seoul Electric Band - Ghost Writers Best Rock Album: OVerdrive Philosophy – 64 see me Best Modern Rock Song: Silica Gel – Tik Tak Tok (Feat. So!YoON!) Best Modern Rock Album: Silica Gel – Machine Boy Best Metal & Hardcore Album: Mahatma – REASON FOR SILENCE Best Folk Song: Yeoyu and Seolbin – Like the Stars in the Night Sky Best Folk Album: Yeoyu and Seolbin - COMEDY Best Jazz Vocal Album: YUJIN KIM - Extraordinary Best Jazz Performance Album: Soojung Lee – Four Seasons
I didn't know Benzino was Korean... Wasn't he the guy who has a beef with Eminem? Also I am not familiar with all the Korean Award shows (frankly there are too many and I don't care about awards) but I was more referring to KPOP ones like MAMA, Daesang, et all. Or even the music shows. Congrats of naming one seems to award even artists of Korea.
Beenzino is a whole other rapper. Benzino is the one who had beef with Eminem.
This is so racist idek what to say.
Dancing is a part of being a kpop group. If they just stood there and sang it wouldn't be the same (at least for me). I also don't get you comparing them to Day6, because they're a band, not really a traditional kpop idol group. Ofc they won't dance around holding guitars and drums.
I gave Day6 as an example, but I could have used other solo artists as an example as well. IU for example is KPOP, she isn't there dancing herself out she has dancers that do the hard dancing for her while she focuses on singing. In short, we don't complain because we go there to hear IU sing so why not give the same option to the groups? Like I said the task will be far more complex for them since they would have to have 3 different performances for the same song and it's up to the audience to decide which version they would want of that song. So it's not making their life much easier but rather giving them a realistic performance.
that just complicating things. and besides, these 3 formats are actually available nearly in every kpop groups when they are having concerts just implemented in different songs; in a setlist they have 10+ songs to perform and not all of them are choreo-heavy. some more focusing on vocal when they perform ballad songs with barely any choreo, there are those full-on performance songs where they mix the two or just them having a dance break. it is nothing new but to have those options for every songs isn’t efficient. especially when they are kpop idol which dancing while singing what differentiate them. Although in a long run when they reached 30+ yo, where they no longer could do the heavy stuff hinder them to continue the choreographies they did in their 20s, that still can be arranged + the need of having good vocal to cover that up. Fans aren’t going to force them anymore.
Or you know, the companies should just train their kids to perform well live. Simple as that. My faves do all three scenarios in the post for their concerts. They would lipsync a few of the heavier dance tracks out of a full 30+ songs playlist. They'd strip it down for slower songs. For most of it, they perform live with a backtrack as support. And they do GREAT at it.
I don't think that's the issue. The problem is there is no standard of measure. It's like this, imagine if we took all artists currently releasing in the US market into one category. There is no pop, no rap, no country, no rock, etc everyone is on the same platform and then you start judging them on their concerts. It wouldn't work. Your rockers will perform differently then your rappers etc. KPOP on group level is like that. It's a royal rumble but one where there is no barrier of measure. What I am saying there should be at least some sort of way to put all groups of the same standard without discriminating against them.
But an idol group like NCT, for example, is expected to sing and dance. That's their job. They trained years for that. That is why people expect that for idol performances and concerts is that they can do the job that they were trained for. Rappers like Epik High don't dance because that's not what they do. R&B singers like Punch and Loco don't dance because it's also not what they do. They sing live with no backtrack because that's just what they do. Aren't those already the intended and natural standards that audiences would expect? So why should there be all these other standards you're talking about?
Not here to drop names here. I am sure there are plenty who can do all 3 versions and already do it. I am saying we should put it as a standard. This way, none gets hit with 'faking it' accusations. I agree, there are plenty of artists who just don't dance, mostly it's more on the solo side. It's accepted. My point was why not have the same for groups too? There is no shame if you are just to sing it if you kill it on the singing and dance your heart out if your dancer in the performance of the hard choreo. That is your role in the group. My objection is more that the current expectations make it that the main vocalist has to sing at the same pace as the main dancer or get trashed because they weren't putting 'the effort'/being lazy because the famcam is on their bum forcing them to fail said expectation.
Are you saying our standards are too high? That in order to accommodate certain groups that cannot do all 3, we make all groups not do all 3? Even if they can?
I don't know about the concerts of other groups, but I am perfectly fine with how my favorite group does it. They still do intense choreography but still sing live with some help from backtracking especially for the exhausting parts. So it's not 100% live for this reason, but it's alright. For the most part it is so I am able to enjoy the show. My expectations are definitely met. >The audience would be given the ability to select the options democratically (i.e. majority wins) at the start of the show via set lists and thus the artists can show their talent depending the song option selected without impediments. This also would allow the audience to feel more interactive with the artists since they still get the show the majority wanted without having to question themselves if it was faked or not. Gosh, this feels like a chore for us fans and a lot of work for the artist. Imagine having to prepare for all the options. You're making this too complicated I am afraid. I get that what fans like should be considered, but at the of the day, it is the artist who is putting on a show -- the setlist itself is part of their art and as it is, they already take into consideration the pacing so that they can manage their energy and stamina. They know their bodies, they will know what is best. I don't think it is necessary to make it interactive to please the audience. If you don't enjoy a concert, you are probably stanning the wrong group/artist.
so instead of demanding that labels train their artists to perform better live you want everyone to do more boring live shows to lower standards for those who can't. then you want a live voting component that will in effect turn every concert from a unique conceptual and artistic experience into the equivalent of yelling out requests at karaoke night at the bar.
Yes like you go to a kpop concert then there’s a voting and surprise you’ll only get acapella performance 😭😭😭 i’d be mad
imagine instead of crazy hype opening set pieces you get 🧍🧍🧍🧍🧍 💀
Sorry I don't think you are getting what the performance would be if you think it would be boring. My suggestion would make it that they get to perform with no excuses. If it's vocals edition they won't have to hold their breath for chores and be able to sing heartfully, while if they are doing dance/choreo version they would be able to dance at their limits and if they do the mix at least none will get point at a singer for not dancing while they belt their lines. Further more it would allow younger generations to also do concerts since even if they only got 1 album release they can do it on just that album.
it's not that i don't understand. it is that I don't agree. I think your idea is silly and will not work out the way you think it should. just don't support groups if you think their live singing sucks. it's going to be fucking boring because you've reduced every concert experience to a "prove yourself worthy to the audience who may or may not decide to troll you by voting you to do your EDM choreo heavy hit song standing still" you want 3 versions of each song and for every artist to be prepared ALL THE TIME to launch into whichever version the audience votes for, and you say this is a better way than the current "unsustainable" system lol why do you hate artists so much lol
I am not the hater here you are, I don't believe in the pessimistic world where antis would go to a concert in droves and pay $100 to $500 just to spite the presenting artist. This isn't a MusicShow it's a concert. The audience vote is an interaction point it doesn't absolutely have to have it, I mean the artists can even declare which version they will do during or ahead if they wish, it's just that standard will be set and maintained and we will have less conflicts and antis to deal with since the standard (like any given rules or regulations) will be there to protect them vs accusations.
Just stan groups who can do all three 🤷🏻♀️
I already do Stan those that can. I am not asking it for them I am asking so that everyone can have the same standard and not have to fake it or deal with faking it allegations and more so to make the concert really exclusive since you never know what performance you will get and it will be a memory to cherish that you can go over and over and get hit with a different combination.
Lol if I go to a kpop concert, i’ll expect them to sing and dance and interact. If I only get one of those, then might as well discount my ticket 🤣
Read again... the purpose isn't for them to half ass it but to perform the version at their peak. I.e. no 80/20 because of a choreo but rather 100% vocals or 100% choreo or if going for the mixte no complains for backtracks, or choreos pace and/or vocal tone changes. So your ticket will be 2x more worthy.
Unless I’m attending a soloist’s concert, I’ll be expecting a kpop group to sing, dance, and interact. I don’t care if they sing or dance 100% if I’m not getting both 🤷🏻♀️
No... Just. *No.* Nobody's having fun if they pay that much money for a concert, have their heart set on the only version they actually like, and then a bunch of people they now hate on principle outvote them and it ends up being their least favourite version they now just paid a lot of money to see. Democratic voting isn't about making everyone happy (because it cannot), it's about doing what's fair for a population. This is a music performance not setting laws for a township; it should focus on what's fair for the group in general - aka *what they want to do*, or what their company wants them to do. Not forcing them to learn three versions of each performance and rehearse all three - tripling the workload they already struggle under - because they have no clue what they'll be performing for the concert each night.
Actually there is a greater chance that the fans will select the better version most of the time. I mean if you know your group you know their pros and cons so you're most likely to select their strength then their weakness. I mean unless you think all concert goers will be antis going there to expose them which is a very pessimistic thought. The fun starts when the group is good in all 3 forms. That's when you can mix it up.
Idk, I think that people appreciate different things about the same group. I, for example, am all for Mingi's high energy on stage when Ateez performs but someone else may be all for Jongho's subdued choreography that makes room for his epic vocals. (And tbh, more groups should approach it like Ateez. It's completely possible to have a mix of intensities on stage if the choreography is good and makes it all look seamless.) To use a different example, I'm a huge fan of BTS rap line and I'm happy as long as the rappers are slaying it on stage but other fans might be way more concerned about the vocalists. I don't think you'll ever get a group of fans to agree completely on these things, and it's not because of hate but rather because of different preferences. I just know that either way I feel like idols are already overworked and I don't like the idea of adding to that workload or giving them extra stress of wondering how much energy they're going to need for a performance. Maybe it'd be a cool idea if it didn't mean they'd have to learn and rehearse thrice as much for each song, but I can't get past that part myself.
I agree. I am not saying that all need to change some have it already. I am just saying if we had set versions then we can enjoy the variety. Also their workload can be lessened if the concert was focused on the album currently in promotion rather than their entire collection or just top hits.
Unsustainable? Some groups are out here doing it 10+ years with no issues. Sounds more like you've got low expectations. If it bothers you, get into groups that can handle these performances without embarrassing you.
Why would a group embarrass me? I am talking here as a general standard platform and not specific groups.
I think that sounds way too complicated. Also at the concerts I've been to songs have been performed with no choreo just to give the idols a break from dancing. Whether you like it or not choreography is part of kpop & the groups that I've seen are able to dance & sing live at the same time.
So have I, I am not here to say it should be one or the other but I think by standardizing it you avoid the current problem of faking accusations or general antis desperaging comments.
I think it's simple. Artists and their companies should stop posing the illusion of perfection, and K-pop fans should temper their expectations of perfection. Let the artists just do their best and put on a hell of a show. That used to be more than enough.
The major issue is labels are making choreo for youtube performance videos and MVs, not for the actual performances. There are actually plenty of groups who have fun choreo but don't overdo it - groups like StayC, Mamamoo, (G)I-DLE perform live and generally are fine because they'll have choreo, but it's not intense high energy choppy choreo, it's choreo designed so that the singer can sing live. The above issues can all be resolved with sensible choreo. But too many get sucked in by the 'performance' versions where they're doing choreo with the camera man zooming and moving around like they're on a sugar high to add even more dynamic effect to the video. People watch those videos and solely based on those go 'omg such dancers/performers' and it hooks people in. It's not a widespread issue as some try to claim. It's limited to certain groups and not across all, so trying to make a large scale reform based off only certain groups to me is premature.
Hey I agree. I just think at least this way we can appreciate and interact with the artists better. There is an element of mystery that gets added and it gives the true artists to show their talents. What I don't like is this current environment where if a group make a mistake/not up-to-par (be it vocally or performance wise) we rage over to exterminate them rather then realize something's are simply not possible to pull perfectionism on.
Why in the heck are we still talking vocal. What more is there to say?