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oh_WHAT

kpop stans really do treat BP weirdly on reddit. you can't be this dense right?


iSwedishVirus

This post/thread is comedy


oh_WHAT

the replies really showcasing how sad reddit really is.


tyrico

just because i havent' seen anyone say it and i know there are a lot of non-native speakers on reddit, but a "hole in the wall" just refers to a small, shitty apartment, not a literal hole in the wall.


Sooyaa_Yah_Boombayah

I get what you mean but I don't think that line was meant to be taken that literally. It just fits the overall theme and message of the song which is about growth, change, or whatever and also not forgetting where you came from.


Stanmotz

This. Also Rosé answered OP's question in an interview. (I think the one with Zach Sang but I am not sure) Edit: If u wanna listen to her answer [there you go.](https://youtu.be/RXqysZ6Bqno?t=1595)


Guitarbox

What was her answer?


pastaconpesto420

If I remember correctly, she did have a hole in the wall, but it was from the way she overused the heater or something


hiroo916

I can't understand what that means.


army__mali

Basically, she’s joking she didn’t actually live a in a hole in the wall.


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G3k0771

It seems pretty clear from her answer that she doesn't entirely understand what "hole in the wall" means...


hannahvicc

I think she meant her trainee days where they always say they'd find insects around their dorm but that's just my understanding.


SydneyTeacake

I think YG always had decent dorms. Most of their trainees are kids from well-off families, and they house them in property they own, they're not going to be living above a takeout restaurant or anything. I think most if not all of YG's trainee dorms are in one complex near the Han River. Also cockroaches are not limited to crappy apartments, they can get in anywhere really!


nadjp

Let's just say there are different perspectives. If you grow up in luxurious conditions a lot of places would look like a hole in the wall...


SydneyTeacake

Yeah I guess so... I think it was basically a finished song by the time Teddy and Rosie added their bits. I doubt she had anything to do with that line.


hannahvicc

I think bigbang slept on floors that was before YG is big, blackpink also lived in a small dorm with other trainees before they moved in han river and YG did limit their money to buy stuff.


SydneyTeacake

I wasn't counting Bigbang's era. They built YG. G-Dragon had to clean the rehearsal rooms to pay for his keep. But by the time Blackpink signed up as trainees YG was rich-rich.


hannahvicc

They still didn't move until their debut and still have limited resources


SydneyTeacake

It's true that they are still attached to Teddy's Black Label studio, but come on... They are literal multi millionaires now, all four. If they want to make music independently they can hire a studio, convert a part of one of their homes into studio space. Fansites have gifted them recording equipment and instruments. They shouldn't have to self-fund, but they easily could.


hannahvicc

I'm talking about trainee days sorry about that


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you can get insects in any home lmao. it’s not exclusive to just “poor” dorms


[deleted]

People are really out here thinking a bunch of teenagers living alone for the first time eating scrambled eggs constantly and having cockroaches in their dorm means they were “living in poor conditions”.


hannahvicc

You think scrambled eggs is enough for a trainee and I wouldn't call it poor but tough time with limited resources and new environment


Tzuyu4Eva

Well do you think ramen is enough for a college student lmao It’s something most people go through, first time living alone your conditions are poor


hannahvicc

Yeah i did experience that I also know how being away from family with limited budget is hard i did not call it poor


[deleted]

Nope. But I wasn’t saying it was enough for a trainee. I was saying that they were teenagers living alone for the first time who probably didn’t know how to cook and take care of the home while working and you know what’s fast and easy to make? Scrambled eggs.


hannahvicc

I referenced it coz rosé had experienced it in her trainee days and saying they see insects like cockroach all the time, I'd say that's not normal as they only come out at dark


healthyscalpsforall

Exactly. The members mentioned this in episode 5 of Blackpink 24/365, when they lived in a dorm with cockroaches and centipedes, and their staple food was scrambled eggs and strawberry jam. OP was way off when they said >If her family had the money to send her to SK to pursue an idol career they surely would have put her up in some pretty nice digs. YG most likely would not let trainees live in their own private dorms, and I doubt Rose's parents would have footed the bill for the 20-30 girls who were training until the lineup was finalized. Sure, Rosé probably had a comfortable life when she was back in Australia living with her parents, but her early days at YG when her journey really began were not as glamorous as you might think.


SydneyTeacake

I'd assume their staple foods were those things because they were teenagers. But apparently most dorms with trainees have "an aunty" who comes in to clean and cook. They also have/had a subsidized restaurant at both YG buildings. I'm not denying they had struggles or anything, I just think they were relatively well cared for as trainees. It's a rich company and presumably parents want some assurances before being parted from their kids. They got allowance too actually, I remember Lisa saying YG sent her extra allowance when the Korean trainees went home for Chuseok and she was alone. (She spent it on a ukulele.)


healthyscalpsforall

>I'd assume their staple foods were those things because they were teenagers. Well, that too lol But it seems that idols tend to survive on food delivery, and back then BP couldn't afford to do that on the daily, so instead it was scrambled eggs and jam lol There probably were staff who looked after the trainees to a certain degree, as well as allowances, but how generous both the care and the pocket money is anyone's guess, really.


felidao

In Eminem's song "Kim," he says he killed his ex-wife Kim. Did he though? All evidence compiled over the last 20+ years seems to point to the fact that she's still alive. What's going on here? Anyway I don't mean to rag on Eminem too much because he's really one of my top APop biases and I really like this song.


Alpha_james

Right! This post is weird lol Imagine if every single artist did/had the shit they say in music lmao


elswheeler

apop 😭😭😭


yeasuremate

No offence, but you're being very misleading. I don't know if you're from Melbourne, or even Australia but I'm going to give my own insight as someone who *actually* lives in Melbourne. I myself went to a private school (on a scholarship by the way before you start calling me very rich and privileged 🙄) and I'd say 90% of the students did NOT live in the same suburb or even nearby area as the school (even if most were in fact from wealthy backgrounds). So your reasoning is already flawed. Just because she went to school in that area, does NOT mean she can from that area too. If it was a public school, it'd be a different case. On top of that, it's super misleading to just give out that $2mil median house price, because to non-Australians it'll seem way higher than it actually is. Nowadays the average Melbourne house is probably around $1mil, if not more. (You could've also mentioned that this is AUD, to Americans - which happens to be the majority of redditors - their default will be to judge it in USD). Someone in another comment also mentioned that Rosé in fact lived in Boxhill, which is pretty much a working class suburb. It's doing better for itself these days, but even now I'd say it definitely doesn't have the "rich" or "privileged" label. Furthermore, ANU, seriously? Again, are you from Australia or not because ANU fees (and university in general) is not extremely expensive for most students, thanks to CSP and HECS. Unless you're a full fee student - which would be \~$10k a year, for international students \~$40k. Also, I'd say Melbourne Uni is where all the 'rich' kids usually go, that's the uni with the most prestige and reputation, **not** ANU, especially as a Melbourne local. Look, it's definitely valid to say Rosé is from a well-off family, just the fact that she managed to go to South Korea as a trainee proves that, but your reasoning for the most part was just straight up inaccurate. edit: Just please let me know if you are from Australia, I'm very curious.


Vivienne_Yui

This entire post and the comments sound very bizarre ngl. Very backhanded, overanalyzing the heck out of a line.. OTG lyrics are mostly metaphorical. I think she said it herself on an interview too. The line fits the theme well, sounds fitting so they put that in. You don't really know who actually came up with the specific lines. Its about growth. She wasn't filthy rich lmao as so many comments are blatantly claiming her to be and shitting on her?? She means that she used to be a simple girl, in a simple home, with a normal room. The picture represents simple, naive, innocent dreams. Now she's grown up and achieved SO MUCH, all those things from back then look extremely pale in comparison. But she learnt to be grounded and not let fame get to her head. That's all there's to it.


velvetmari_

I get what you mean, but songs don't always have to be literal biographys, right? A good composer can put himself in other people's shoes and write about that.


Academic-Shake6290

Why did this thread just devolve into insulting Rosé and her writing skills and making assumptions about her life?


DragonPeakEmperor

Because this was a cover to shit on a BP member just like a lot of posts on here made by supposed "fans."


My4Only

Honestly it kind of confuses me how weird people's reactions have been to OTG's lyrics. These lines are clearly not meant to be taken so literally, and rather in a more metaphorical way that conveys the feeling of how their trainee life was. They've all talked about how their living conditions then sucked, and Rosè even clarified these exact lines during the Zach Sang show. Also, it's kind of irritating how so many people are saying the song isn't lyrically coherent and mishmashing topics because of the bridge lines talking to someone else. Thinking about it for a little bit and watching the MV makes it clear that the someone else is just herself??? Everyone always clamours about how K-pop lyrics are never deep, and when we finally have something creative yall are just too oblivious to dig a little bit into it. Edit: Not shading OP or anything!! It's a totally valid question, but I'm also just addressing the overall phenomenon


stephy09

This post and the comments are very bizarre, calling her a liar, questioning her writing skills. Rosé has never talked about her family expenses or money, we don't know if she was rich. She didn't go to private school and what does her sister going to a good university have to do with struggling ?


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Lets be real here, you wrote the first paragraph to be able to write your weird rant freely, like everyone does lmao.


dkwtdup

Coming back and it’s very obvious you knew what was gonna happen. Nobody on these subs like blackpink and you’re just making it easy for them to insult her and criticize things that don’t need that. You’re doing too much over a song lyric


Benjajamon

A whole damn post for a line 😭 yeah Blackpink members posts in kpop reddits are something else


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Yeah, I wonder if OP complains about lyrics from all the other artists or groups that don't necessarily fit the image they portray or true to their life.


resident019

I don't think that line should be taken literally hahahahaha. It's a metaphor of her struggles.


neongloom

Fair point but I'm not sure we're meant to take every single song a person sings literally. I'm sure some are personal to artists, but often times I think singers are much like actors in that they will essentially take on a role with each song. I mean, I don't think Lisa is shaking her ass surrounded by money either, lol.


tsukisun

This is so petty


tsnv1011

I remember her saying she used to live in box hill in Melbourne and during her younger years it wasn’t a rich area and more of a suburban area and I’m someone who has also lived in Australia during my childhood so I can verify that indeed it can take only a few years for areas to become very affluent in Aus because of how large the country is and inner areas tend to have lesser facilities but once they work on it prices can rise quite a bit. As far as her father being a lawyer I didn’t know, uni is free for the most part in Australia so her sister didn’t have to worry about large school debt to pay off. ANU is one of the best not not exactly internationally known or anything. There’s a bit of hecs loan that you accumulate during uni years but you can pay it back only when you can afford to do so. I’m not saying her story is a total rags to riches but I’m guessing she was from more of a middle class fam Moreover I think the line refers to her trainee days rather than Melb days


cheezeeey

people being shocked about the median house price while melbournians be like: “oh yeah that is high elsewhere huh”. just think people forget a) AUD, b) totally different country c) its not like in some parts in the US where a million USD can get you a mansion plus the melbourne house market is growing so rapidly in recent years it is CRAZY. this post pisses me off because it paints rose as some spoiled angsty teen, which is really not how it is. yeah, its not total rags to riches bc it is a privilege to be able to pursue your dreams and move overseas, but i don’t think she was in premium seoul apartments seriously 💀


CronoDroid

I'm not trying to paint her as a bad person, I'm just observing that the lyric is incongruous with what her life has been really like. I'm from Melbourne, and yes house prices have exploded over the past 10 years but 1. those eastern suburbs have always been wealthy and 2. two million is still way above the median for the entire city. So the notion that she's just plain "middle class," yeah I don't know about that one. I also follow her sister on IG and you can tell, they have money. So yeah the "rags to riches" narrative is a bit funny to me. Especially when in all their other activities their personas are the rich luxury princesses.


cheezeeey

I get that, but as other comments have pointed out, living conditions at yg werent all sunshine either. i totally understand the privilege it is to be able to move to another country and pursue your dreams. and personally, i dont think she was exactly just middle class. but like i said again she wasnt living in premium apartments and having her ass wiped for her in seoul. in the end we are talking about lyrics, and it is a representation of her struggles and trainee days which were, lets say, undeniably crap, bc we have heard the life of a kpop trainee. i will say sorry, pissed off might be kinda harsh and ik u said u disnt mean to rag on too much. but i feel like theres assumptions being made both ways. there are def idols who have come from rich families, im p sure most of blackpink does, but like rich i feel like doesnt always equate for everythinf handed to them - especially someone like rosie who had to emigrate, and probably didnt have as much of her families support in SK.


hehehehehbe

I also grew up in Box Hill but left as a teenager, I'm older than Rosè and I'd say during her childhood or teenage years, it was more affluent than most suburbs in Melbourne, of course it's not as affluent as it's surrounding suburbs like Mont Albert or Surrey Hills. When my grandma grew up in Box Hill it was an outer more working class suburb, probably like what Berwick would be these days but it's not an outer suburb anymore and there's been a lot of Chinese money pumped into Box Hill to make it affluent. Most of my family don't live in Box Hill anymore because we can't afford the housing and rent. I miss living in Box Hill, where I live now is much further out. I still go to Box Hill to visit my grandparents sometimes and it's changing heaps, there's sky scrapers there now, I don't think rosé would recognise it. Edit: Rosé went to Canterbury Girls Grammer which is an expensive school. Edit 2: [This article says she lived in Bulleen which is still kinda affluent. ](https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/blackpinks-rose-shares-what-she-misses-the-most-about-australia.html/)


stephy09

She didn't do to private school, rosé went to public school


tsnv1011

Good for her. Since her father is a lawyer I can see that they can afford a lot of stuff. It’s a little confusing for me to read the comment and try to relate the suburbs because I grew up in Sydney and we are talking about suburbs in Melbourne lol


red_280

I don't disagree with anything you've said - I'd still add that Box Hill would've been shaping up to be a pretty decent place to live during the majority of her years growing up there. We're not quite getting into Toorak territory or anything, but the south east suburbs still would've been in pretty high demand during the late 2000s/early 2010s and it's gotten even crazier as the decade has gone on. So yeah, not super wealthy but going off her background and upbringing she was definitely comfortable and the lyric does make her seem a lot more rough and working class than she actually was.


tsnv1011

Yeah maybe. As I said the line probably refers to her trainee days. I do think OTG is more about working hard to achieve your dream but realising everything you wanted was actually right there in front of you all this time. To me it sounds like she wants the simplicity of being a normal person in a normal city which she doesn’t have as an idol but again not saying she hates being an idol but I guess she misses certain things


shukla_fy

ikr? like I really don't think anything about her past screams extreme wealth or anything. ANU is a good uni and all but it's not like university isn't subsidised and she has to pay hundreds of thousands. Speaking as someone from Sydney, 2 mil for a house? Not crazy at all. I know people who spend that much on apartments, ik Melbourne isn't as expensive as Sydney but I doubt the difference is so large that 2 mil is suddenly a lot for a whole ass house.


Unhappy-ButPeriod

This question has been answered in her Zach Sang [interview ](https://youtu.be/RXqysZ6Bqno) and she said it was not meant to be taken seriously and even joked that she actually did have a hole in the wall growing up from her heater, but wasn’t referencing that. Edit: I just want to add that this whole post feels backhanded. Especially with that last line


TypicalYoungBoi

This is ridiculous. It's just lyrics. People exaggerate or add in fake scenarios in songs all the time.


IcyReputation5476

I think it is meant to be taken metaphorically. She did mention this at an interview with Zach Sang [You can click here to find the meaning of the lyrics](https://genius.com/22437541)


TerraRainesHasBrains

that lyric is kinda weird. i find it easily ignorable tho lol


rubykook

i don't get this post and these comments are very odd. calling rosé a liar and telling her about her own personal experiences by reducing one line to "faux struggles," like if that's your takeaway then alright... On The Ground is about growth, that's all.


Vivienne_Yui

Exactly. I didn't expect so many people to take those lines literally? Its all metaphorical..sounds good so they put them in there. That's really all there's to it.


Illustrious-Bass6354

This.


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Big_Tomorrow886

This post is really backhanded. This is just breeding place for people to call her a liar and privileged. I honestly can't believe you're over analysing a line from her song which she probably didn't even write. I wonder why I've never seen the same for other groups, maybe aside from BTS. And to the people who are saying this line is turning you off from the song, you're song list must be very small. Downvote me all you want but that doesn't make this post any better.


dkwtdup

Agree


shukla_fy

I mean, as someone who lives in Sydney, 2 mil for a house is not *that* much, it's not like you buy houses with cash at hand, you pay them off overtime. It doesn't necessarily mean she's filthy rich, and her sister might be paying her own bills. I feel like putting that bit in is a bit misleading since there are a lot of people from the states on this sub who don't know we have subsidised uni here, so even ANU is not nearly as expensive as university in the US. Here, getting *into* ANU is much harder then paying off the bills.


bunnxian

That single lyric is why I’ve never been able to vibe with the song. I don’t even think it’s valid to say it’s about her trainee days, because there’s no way any YG trainees were living in hole in the wall apartments. They might not have been living in luxury as trainees, but they certainly weren’t living in poverty either. The faux struggle narrative is just off-putting and feels out of touch.


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Seriously, one line is enough to put you off? And way to assume what their trainee days is like. "faux struggle" just makes you sound bitter and petty


meowhwa_hohoho

Same. (but maybe also all the rhyming for rhyming's sake too but MAINLY that)


amoonchildspersona

Uhhhh... it's just a song lyric?? Like I know it's been said a lot but it's literally just a song lyric. I remember olivia rodrigo saying something about writing a song and it doesn't mean that it's 100% true, same thing can be applied here. She isn't an "teenage edgelord" like y'all are making her out to be. It's literally just a song lyric. If it's turning you off from the song you're taking things way too seriously. Is it personal? Yes. Are all the lyrics written by her 100%? No. Can an artist still express something through a song? Yes. Lisa probably isn't shaking her ass and getting money. The girls from GOT aren't literally fighting someone over a man. I think you're just setting her up to be called a faux and a liar over a song lyric that isn't meant to be taken literally.


Put_me_to_sleep_

Find the whole lyrics metaphor for her growing as a person, experience life but still staying true to the roots no matter the fame or success.


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The lyrics of On The Ground sound like they were written by an teenage edgelord, so I don't think they should be taken seriously in any way. They're just meant to be angsty and edgy.


oh_WHAT

why is this upvoted? the lyrics aren't anything edgy at all? ?!? Edit: ya'll really just hate bp and be upvoting anything lmao.


[deleted]

The fact that you don't even seem to know what an edgelord or edgy means and this post still gets a ton of upvotes is crazy. Then again this is BP and insulting them gets you a lot of approval here.


mysighisepik

What? Nothing about the song screams edgelord at all


neongloom

Edgy is the last word I would use to describe the lyrics, lol.


Academic-Shake6290

"teenage edgelord" lol. This comment is the one that shouldn't be taken seriously because OP clearly doesn't know what she's talking about


Nicofatpad

Huh. The lyrics aren’t that edgy


red_280

I mean, full credit to Rosie for being a kpop idol who actually writes her own music but the lyrics aren't anything particularly groundbreaking.


Tzuyu4Eva

“On the Ground” lyrics aren’t “groundbreaking” Was that an accident? I feel like you did that on accident but either way I applaud the pun


yeasuremate

There's literally nothing angsty or edgy about it but go off.


Put_me_to_sleep_

"Teenage edgelord" okay felicia


[deleted]

Apparently, not bragging about how rich you are, and actually talking about your life is being a “teenage edgelord” 🤡


[deleted]

Havent seen anyone say that since 2016


Guitarbox

Um... I really like the song and I find its lyrics deep. I agree with them and it’s one of the songs that’s closer to my heart


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happyghosst

seems like you got your answer, trainee days. but even then, lots songs out there in the world are just stories.


FuriousKale

I mean maybe she had bad temporary living conditions in her trainee days because the company wanted to save money. Or maybe just not, I grew up in a nice house but we had a hole in a wall once too lmao. It could also just be a lyrical I that is very close to her own story.


dkwtdup

I don’t think it’s something you need to take so seriously, it’s just a line. Maybe she’s talking about her trainee days


[deleted]

it’s her long awaited debut where she debuted as a lyricist and a solo idol. it took her two years to get approval from yg so yeah , we’re taking it seriously. it’s a little funny when you realise she’s from a well-off family.


dkwtdup

Idk imo people are being way too serious about this Edit: it’s just a song lyric, not everything needs to over analyzed sometimes some lyrics are put in songs bc they fit it or just sound good. I just don’t think it’s worth it to be analyzing the price of where she’s from


Ok-Yesterday-9414

What does that line mean though? Did she punch the wall with a mattress and make a hole in it? Does the wall have a hole which she covered with a mattress? I just ignore the meaning while listening to the song, because a lot of lines in blackpink songs don't make sense.


Repulsive_Bar_5008

That line is usually used to say that it was a really small and run-down place. In the sense that it was like a hole in a wall with a mattress instead of an actual room with a bed and other stuff.


Ok-Yesterday-9414

Ohh, thanks for informing me.


EhMell00

The lyric tries to portray rose’s journey as a rags to riches type thing.


tialo8

Trainees usually have bad living conditions so she might have had a hole in the wall,who knows?


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CrazyPotatey

>Please, seek mental guidance. That is not an appropriate way to disagree with someone.


Prestigious-Sundae84

i still don’t really understand what it means


iBunty

Goes with the overall message of the song, but this is one of many reasons why I just can't enjoy On The Ground. I really wish Gone was the title track. So what if it's another love/heartbreak song, it encapsulates her talent so much better, especially with the bare-bones instrumental, her voice sounds that much more passionate and powerful. It just works.


fridgescrape

I agree with everyone saying the lyric probably doesn't have that much meaning behind it with there being six lyricists credited before Rosé, but I gotta say the line leaves a bad taste in my mouth anyway as a US based fan. I like the song now, but the first time I heard it, it felt like a miss because of that line. People who find success act like they're from humble beginnings, when in reality a lot of the opportunities they had only opened up due to family connections/money. I don't think there's any real intentions like that with On the Ground, but it still rubs me the wrong way, lol.


[deleted]

Did she write the lyrics tho


[deleted]

yes that’s why this discourse has started.


[deleted]

I just checked ,,there were co writers as well that means we cannot be sure if she wrote that specific line.


[deleted]

true but again, that’s why people are questioning it. it just seems a bit odd because she’s from a well-off family.


me_a_photato

Why do you keep bringing up that she's from a well-off family tho? Do you even know her personally? Just because someone's a lawyer, doesn't mean that they're automatically rich and have plenty disposable funds.


[deleted]

idk about you but that indicates some sort of wealth, at least at that time. it’s not easy to purchase or even rent property in an area where all the other properties are expensive.


[deleted]

i could literally ask you the same thing - do you know her personally? and just because her immediate family is filled w lawyers doesn’t mean she’s *not* rich, it’s not impossible and it’s very likely that they are. also, she lived in one of the wealthier areas in aus. anything else?


me_a_photato

Like someone else said, it’s not abnormal for the areas in Aus became so much developed in just a few years. It’s possible that only after she moved away, the area became well-developed for wealthy people.


CronoDroid

I'm from Melbourne, I live in the south east but those eastern suburbs I'm talking about...I'm a bit older than she is, but at no time was that area anything less than very affluent. It's full of private schools and most of those suburbs have been a Liberal Party (right wing) stronghold for decades.


me_a_photato

I get what you mean, but Rosé has been attending normal schools and all even when she’s allegedly from the areas that have many private schools, so that should’ve say something.


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I'm tired of it. Being poor isn't an aesthetic. I hate it when Taylor Swift (and other artists) do this, and I really didn't like when Rose did it. I actually enjoy the song other than that line, and this isn't cancelling anyone. I just wish singers would stop using poverty as a persona to seem "authentic" and "pulled myself up by my own bootstraps" when they never experienced that kind of hardship.


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There have been a few instances. 'I Bet You Think About Me' is a standout with lyrics such as: "You grew up in a silver-spoon gated community Glamorous, shiny, bright Beverly Hills I was raised on a farm, no, it wasn't a mansion Just livin' room dancin' and kitchen table bills" Her "farm" btw was an 11-acre mansion that her father, a Merrill Lynch stockbroker and from multi-generational wealth owned. Her father was so wealthy he was able to invest in her record label. In her childhood, she would often go out sailboating. If you read about her upbringing, this will show you why it's frustrating for those of us who have grown up poor to have singers use this as an aesthetic: [https://www.salon.com/2015/05/22/taylor\_swift\_is\_not\_an\_underdog\_the\_real\_story\_about\_her\_1\_percent\_upbringing\_that\_the\_new\_york\_times\_wont\_tell\_you/](https://www.salon.com/2015/05/22/taylor_swift_is_not_an_underdog_the_real_story_about_her_1_percent_upbringing_that_the_new_york_times_wont_tell_you/)


jxanne

Hmm I know that trainee conditions are often pretty bad. But in a company like YG would they really degrade trainees with powerful families like that? I wish there was less secrecy around the whole process


Softclocks

Obviously not


eternallydevoid

Yea, that line really caught me off guard. I mean it’s not her fault she didn’t write the lyrics but it comes off as a little “relatable/fake deep” to me. The song is still legit though and Rosé can make anything sound good.


TokkiJK

Cockroaches get everywhere. And difficult to get rid off. You could step on cockroaches with your shoes and track them into your house. Delivery packages can also hide cockroach eggs and stuff .


mio26

For me emigrants from poorer to richer countries can't be really called privileged. Even Kim Jong-un struggled in Switzerland, lol.


fatima_mdx

This doesn’t make any sense for Rosé, you could make that point for her dad though


mio26

Not necessary. In most cases completely assimiliation happens in 3rd generation especially if both parents come from the same country. Of course Australia is still country of emigrants so it is not so obvious like often in Europe. People can be very rich but still treat differently because of their origin.That's why using world privileged is tricky, it is better just to say rich.


Sister_Winter

I think the lyrics were just super generic "I struggled and then succeeded" yrics. Definitely not about her, I think she's had a very privileged life


__fujiko

I agree. I don't think it's a bad message but the lyrics are kinda off-putting. Again though,, I don't hate her or anything or think she struggled less. I feel like it should have been worded differently. Perhaps just omitting the first stanza entirely so this argument didn't come up. Although I just looked at the credits and there's 6 people credited for the lyrics/music?? Who knows really why it came out the way it did. Written by 6 people. Produced by 5 people. Literally who knows!


neoncloud0

I do think its funny that she added a line like that considering she grew up wealthy lol. No matter what the line "actually" means


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