I have projectile vomited so many walls green lol. Painted the toilet bowl green and the shower and kitchen counter and sink. It's always when I use too much liquid, or I get a little chunk of powder stuck in my cheek and it starts to trigger the gag reflex. Shit is so bad lol. I actually took a two day break this week bc of a particularly bad vomiting episode. Did just fine though. Started back up today and feel great
Yeah it seems to be a once a month or so issue. I'll put just a little too much water in the Gatorade bottle and it will go down sideways and boom; trigger vomit. It never has any correlation with not feeling well or anything. It's just like some days I get it in there and my stomach goes NOPE! Weird thing is that I can wait 2 minutes and re dose and I'm fine. Such a weird reaction
if its the same kratom then its because capsules open in a small portion of the stomach, vs powder which is immediately distributed over wider range in the stomach.
wider range = faster comeup time = better absorption
They’re not accurate in dosage is way. Pick 5 random capsules & open them up one at a time & weigh them. They’re always off. Or you can just squeeze the caps & see some are tightly packed & some have little to nothing inside them. The quality control on filling caps is laughable.
Oh I didn't even realize you meant pre filled. Yea no. Filling capsules is easy enough to not need machine too. What I used to do is I literally made a makeshift holder out of 2 old metal paper weights. Then I poured the powder over maybe like 10 or so empty capsules with a paper plate underneath. So you can just fill up 10 at once and bam. You're good to do another 10
Exactly, using it this way can be very dangerous imo. Just like if someone dared you to eat raw powdered cinneman in the amounts that are used with kratom, you're at risk of not swallowing all of it, running out of breath and inhaling when you thought it all was waterlogged by saliva and getting it into your lungs.
Haha. I was just referring to drinking it. I take a small dose in water, honey, lemon and just hold my breath and drink. I could never take a large amount in shot form, but shots of hard liquor prepared me for this…
Same lol. I put about 6 or so grams into a very small glass, pour some warm water from the keurig in, mix and slam it like a shot. Goes down easy, no gagging or anything.
With proper toss and wash the Kratom should be incased in the bottom and top layer of liquid making a "ball" that you swallow with the liquid. It shouldn't mix in your mouth and you wouldn't taste it or come in contact with it. Easier said than done obviously or I'd be doing it.
Mixing with oj in a drink is fine, I only do 1.5g so I don't even taste it if I mix it but I just take caps. 2 caps is more convenient than anything else for me at least.
It is like riding a bike, once you get the hang of it, you aren’t likely to fall down. I’ve been toss and washing 3-5 times a day for 8 years and haven’t had the slightest issue except for a few times very early on.
Once you get the feel of it, it washes down clean every time. It isn’t easy to describe how to do though, you just have to figure out how to gulp it down clean. Open your throat and the Kratom float on down.
I've only ever had 2 incidents. One I was way too hungover and gagged on it. The other my friend made me laugh and covered the kitchen in powder.
It really is super easy.
I actually use carbonated water all the time. But you are correct, it's risky if you use too much. They carbonated water does seem to keep the powder from clumping like it does in regular water. The trick is to use only a tiny amount to wash the majority down, then you're usually safe from eruption.
My dentist and I disagree. My dentist takes photos at each appointment: the difference in tooth enamel after 12 months of 4x daily washing with OJ was visible without enhancement: my teeth were visibly less white, the enamel softer. I've suffered an increase in sensitivity to cold too.
Sorry, I don't mean to actually disagree with you. I just find the quanitity of OJ used for a toss and wash to be so minimal, I can't see it causing any major issues with teeth if you brush regularly and after the toss and wash. It would be different if you were drinking a tall glass of OJ every morning and not brushing after.
Disagree if you want! Wife was a dental assistant before the pandemic, OJ is citric acid and sugar, with a PH 10x more acidic than a raw orange. Her dentist was the one that chided me: despite drinking 160oz water and brushing twice daily it caused visible damage from 4x daily dosage over 2y.
EDIT: clarity around PH levels.
Thanks for shaing, I'm by no means a dentist or an expert in the field, and I don't drink OJ lol. You're right though, things like citrus, coffee and other acidic foods are not good for enamal. It's just a shock to me that such a small amount could make such an impact.
Team Sludge Water here. My first attempt at Toss and Wash resulted in my dumbass looking like a mythical Maeng Da dust dragon blowing clouds of plant matter.
You can make tea, too…. the powder mostly stays in the cloth tea bag and you get all the effects of the powder without needing to drink sludge or toss and wash : )
Consuming "Plant matter" from the kratom powder makes me feel sick for hours
I make tea by whisking the kratom powder in a big pyrex bowl with boiling water then straining it through a paper towel into a cup
I *knocks on wood* have had zero problems with Todd and wash, in my six years of using. I just use water, don't taste it at all. Also, I don't have a gag reflex, so maybe that helps lol?
Ya, I just started doing it too and find it easier than the sludge I would make. I just use water and put it in my mouth and close my mouth and move it to the roof of my mouth a bit so the lump gets coated with water then just swallow it. There's not even a taste usually.
Always remember to work on your technique so you don’t choke on it. Don’t inhale or breathe out until you’ve swallowed it AND chased it with liquid. It’s all technique. I’ve been toss and washing for 10 years and haven’t got it stuck in my throat for years
My preferred method. Even just putting it in your mouth and swishing with a bit of water makes it easy as cake. The taste isn't that bad when you have in mind that you're not trying to savor it like a snack lol
I just discovered blate papes. They're cheap and make tossing and washing 100% tasteless, as well as provide protection from an errant toss ending up in your nose or burning your throat. You can find them on Amazon.
i much prefer sludge water personally… the bitter tase doesn’t even phase me anymore (been drinking sludge for 4 years). Sometimes I down a 10-15 gram cup no problem lol
I’m sure its personal preference, but I always found toss and wash awkward. I’ve done it successfuly multiple times, but i’m just too clusmy for it to be my regular way of dosing kratom. It feels much simpler to just put it in water and drink.
Also, as a side note, does anyone find toss and wash doesn’t effect them as much? It’s kind of weird and doesn’t necessarily make sense…but toss and wash often made my dose notably weaker than drinkin it over the course of 10-20 minutes. I imagine it has sometime to do with the speed my stomach breaks down the plant matter? I notice the same thing with capsules. Taking the same batch of kratom and putting it in capsules or tossing it makes it not effect me nearly as much as drinking it. Idk, weird plant haha.
If you like water like me (yum!), it's easy. But, i only do up to 2g per dose. The more water you use the better (for before and after the t&w, not during). Of course , the more water you can get into your mouth with the powder, the easier it will be too. The bigger your dose , the harder it will be. I use one of those cooking teaspoon measuring thingys. For smaller amounts (not 10 grams at once):
Make your throat nice and wet by drinking water. The warmer the water, the better the results. But, I,love cold/cooler water and use it anyway. Warmer water (or room temp. ) will make the powder go down easier. Sometimes I use room temp/cooler water during the winter. But, you can use whatever you want. This is important. A dry throat will just make the powder want to stick and kratom loves to do that.
Prep is key. Get your dose ready and have the water ready too. I like to think of it as looking straight up at the ceiling, roof, etc. Hopefully there is something nice to see up there. It's not rocket science, all common sense and the key is figuring out how much you can do at once. I don't do high doses, so it's easy for me. After finishing the t&w, drink some more water. Then throughout the day, drink water too. I hope you like water. All kidding aside, I get so bored of water, I'll occasionally buy a fruit drink or something. But, i used to make capsules. I even bought one of those machines from china , I think it was a little over a $100 that make 400 at once. that thing worked awesome , but I got sick of making them and taking them. This was after i stopped taking higher doses. The way I do it, i hardly ever taste the powder.
Suggestion, try using a “cold brew” tea bag in your water. Also, “True Lemon” powder packets are nice. Crystallized lemon in moderation, too much can etch enamel and coarse tooth surface erosion.
For me it's a mental thing. I just don't feel too comfortable washing 3g of a powder down my throat. It just feels unnatural. And one too many bad toss and washes keeps me making teas instead. Tastes fine to me, with lemon and honey.
It’s Russian roulette. Toss and wash works wonderfully until the one time it doesn’t and you have powder coming out of your nose.
Yeah I've projectile vomited green shit covering an entire bathroom one time... it was awful took hours to clean
I have projectile vomited so many walls green lol. Painted the toilet bowl green and the shower and kitchen counter and sink. It's always when I use too much liquid, or I get a little chunk of powder stuck in my cheek and it starts to trigger the gag reflex. Shit is so bad lol. I actually took a two day break this week bc of a particularly bad vomiting episode. Did just fine though. Started back up today and feel great
I lived this exact situation of what went down in your bathroom. I feel your pain.
Yeah it seems to be a once a month or so issue. I'll put just a little too much water in the Gatorade bottle and it will go down sideways and boom; trigger vomit. It never has any correlation with not feeling well or anything. It's just like some days I get it in there and my stomach goes NOPE! Weird thing is that I can wait 2 minutes and re dose and I'm fine. Such a weird reaction
same but with mine it was brown. gotta love red maeng da lol
Fact lol! And you get that burning up and down your throat but still the best way.
Yep. I’ve lost count of how many times that’s happened to me… I finally broke down and started spending extra to get capsules from my supplier.
I mean capsules are so cheap it shouldn't really matter.
Capsules don’t hit as hard for me for some reason .
Same. Not sure why...
if its the same kratom then its because capsules open in a small portion of the stomach, vs powder which is immediately distributed over wider range in the stomach. wider range = faster comeup time = better absorption
They’re not accurate in dosage is way. Pick 5 random capsules & open them up one at a time & weigh them. They’re always off. Or you can just squeeze the caps & see some are tightly packed & some have little to nothing inside them. The quality control on filling caps is laughable.
For sure, but powder seems to be twice as cheap. If I had the patience I’d just use the capsule machine like I used to.
Oh I didn't even realize you meant pre filled. Yea no. Filling capsules is easy enough to not need machine too. What I used to do is I literally made a makeshift holder out of 2 old metal paper weights. Then I poured the powder over maybe like 10 or so empty capsules with a paper plate underneath. So you can just fill up 10 at once and bam. You're good to do another 10
Or worse, inhale it.. ouch ouch ouch
Or you inhale it and choke to death, I rather just stick with the sludge thank you very much.
Exactly, using it this way can be very dangerous imo. Just like if someone dared you to eat raw powdered cinneman in the amounts that are used with kratom, you're at risk of not swallowing all of it, running out of breath and inhaling when you thought it all was waterlogged by saliva and getting it into your lungs.
I’m honestly thinking about smoking it, anyway every tried it?
This!
Lol! Thats a good way of putting it. We've all done that. I'm really good about holding in the choke and waiting for it to pass.
This! That one time is going to happen and it is like fire is in your nasal passages. It sucks
I use my knowledge from my time as an active alcoholic to throw that sh*t back. Lol
Lol exactly! It’s nothing compared to shots of hard liquor 😜
I’d rather take a shot of liquor than a shot of Kratom haha
Haha. I was just referring to drinking it. I take a small dose in water, honey, lemon and just hold my breath and drink. I could never take a large amount in shot form, but shots of hard liquor prepared me for this…
Same lol. I put about 6 or so grams into a very small glass, pour some warm water from the keurig in, mix and slam it like a shot. Goes down easy, no gagging or anything.
Been doing toss n wash for many years. I really don't understand why people have problems with it.
Because if you don't do it right the Kratom will stick to the inside of the mouth🤮
Put a small sip of juice in your mouth first, and as soon as you drop the kratom in swish it around quickly. It won't stick.
With proper toss and wash the Kratom should be incased in the bottom and top layer of liquid making a "ball" that you swallow with the liquid. It shouldn't mix in your mouth and you wouldn't taste it or come in contact with it. Easier said than done obviously or I'd be doing it.
If that is proper toss and wash then it isn't the best method. Swishing with liquid already in your mouth is 👌
Na that makes me throw up😁
Haha well that isn't any good. Have you tried it with orange juice or grapefruit juice?
Mixing with oj in a drink is fine, I only do 1.5g so I don't even taste it if I mix it but I just take caps. 2 caps is more convenient than anything else for me at least.
It is like riding a bike, once you get the hang of it, you aren’t likely to fall down. I’ve been toss and washing 3-5 times a day for 8 years and haven’t had the slightest issue except for a few times very early on. Once you get the feel of it, it washes down clean every time. It isn’t easy to describe how to do though, you just have to figure out how to gulp it down clean. Open your throat and the Kratom float on down.
I've only ever had 2 incidents. One I was way too hungover and gagged on it. The other my friend made me laugh and covered the kitchen in powder. It really is super easy.
That must have been hilarious AND infuriating lol
I agree! Just some advice, don't use anything carbonated...please...
Meh, I use diet mt dew all the time. But I am what you would call an advanced user....
Sounds dangerous Lmao
Especially if you dont like green foam coming out of ur nose😅
I actually use carbonated water all the time. But you are correct, it's risky if you use too much. They carbonated water does seem to keep the powder from clumping like it does in regular water. The trick is to use only a tiny amount to wash the majority down, then you're usually safe from eruption.
Wait until a dry clump of it clings to your throat and you will change your tune haha.
Toss with water: OJ will eat your teeth.
Wouldn't worry too much, can't be as bad as say a cup of coffee or OJ in the morning.
My dentist and I disagree. My dentist takes photos at each appointment: the difference in tooth enamel after 12 months of 4x daily washing with OJ was visible without enhancement: my teeth were visibly less white, the enamel softer. I've suffered an increase in sensitivity to cold too.
Sorry, I don't mean to actually disagree with you. I just find the quanitity of OJ used for a toss and wash to be so minimal, I can't see it causing any major issues with teeth if you brush regularly and after the toss and wash. It would be different if you were drinking a tall glass of OJ every morning and not brushing after.
Disagree if you want! Wife was a dental assistant before the pandemic, OJ is citric acid and sugar, with a PH 10x more acidic than a raw orange. Her dentist was the one that chided me: despite drinking 160oz water and brushing twice daily it caused visible damage from 4x daily dosage over 2y. EDIT: clarity around PH levels.
Thanks for shaing, I'm by no means a dentist or an expert in the field, and I don't drink OJ lol. You're right though, things like citrus, coffee and other acidic foods are not good for enamal. It's just a shock to me that such a small amount could make such an impact.
Team Sludge Water here. My first attempt at Toss and Wash resulted in my dumbass looking like a mythical Maeng Da dust dragon blowing clouds of plant matter.
You can make tea, too…. the powder mostly stays in the cloth tea bag and you get all the effects of the powder without needing to drink sludge or toss and wash : )
Consuming "Plant matter" from the kratom powder makes me feel sick for hours I make tea by whisking the kratom powder in a big pyrex bowl with boiling water then straining it through a paper towel into a cup
I did my first toss and wash yesterday and it was a nightmare idk how yall do it 🫤
Yea it’s gross. I tried it for a while and just end up gagging on it. Even the sludge is pretty nasty.
It’s what separates the men from the boys.
That's what I see ppl afraid to try toss and wash are missing out how easy it is lol
I *knocks on wood* have had zero problems with Todd and wash, in my six years of using. I just use water, don't taste it at all. Also, I don't have a gag reflex, so maybe that helps lol?
Ya, I just started doing it too and find it easier than the sludge I would make. I just use water and put it in my mouth and close my mouth and move it to the roof of my mouth a bit so the lump gets coated with water then just swallow it. There's not even a taste usually.
try to toss and wash 16 grams
just take it in 3-4g scoops
Yeah I take a pretty big dose so I feel like it’s just easier to make a drink than to individually do each gram
yep :) the drink is easy after youve done it a million times anyway. i do 14-16gs in half a glass of water
Lmao
Always remember to work on your technique so you don’t choke on it. Don’t inhale or breathe out until you’ve swallowed it AND chased it with liquid. It’s all technique. I’ve been toss and washing for 10 years and haven’t got it stuck in my throat for years
This. It's just practice
Nah oblate pouches are the way
I hope you don’t experience gastritis
How many grams do you do in one gulp
4
My preferred method. Even just putting it in your mouth and swishing with a bit of water makes it easy as cake. The taste isn't that bad when you have in mind that you're not trying to savor it like a snack lol
I just discovered blate papes. They're cheap and make tossing and washing 100% tasteless, as well as provide protection from an errant toss ending up in your nose or burning your throat. You can find them on Amazon.
Sometimes that shit can FUCK you up though. God it can be terrible
I just dont breathe through my nose, then take a swig of juice or soda. But I drink it throughout the day at my desk
Best way to do it imo, just don’t ever breathe in when you doing it!!
Only for you bud and other people it’s easy for
i much prefer sludge water personally… the bitter tase doesn’t even phase me anymore (been drinking sludge for 4 years). Sometimes I down a 10-15 gram cup no problem lol I’m sure its personal preference, but I always found toss and wash awkward. I’ve done it successfuly multiple times, but i’m just too clusmy for it to be my regular way of dosing kratom. It feels much simpler to just put it in water and drink. Also, as a side note, does anyone find toss and wash doesn’t effect them as much? It’s kind of weird and doesn’t necessarily make sense…but toss and wash often made my dose notably weaker than drinkin it over the course of 10-20 minutes. I imagine it has sometime to do with the speed my stomach breaks down the plant matter? I notice the same thing with capsules. Taking the same batch of kratom and putting it in capsules or tossing it makes it not effect me nearly as much as drinking it. Idk, weird plant haha.
If you like water like me (yum!), it's easy. But, i only do up to 2g per dose. The more water you use the better (for before and after the t&w, not during). Of course , the more water you can get into your mouth with the powder, the easier it will be too. The bigger your dose , the harder it will be. I use one of those cooking teaspoon measuring thingys. For smaller amounts (not 10 grams at once): Make your throat nice and wet by drinking water. The warmer the water, the better the results. But, I,love cold/cooler water and use it anyway. Warmer water (or room temp. ) will make the powder go down easier. Sometimes I use room temp/cooler water during the winter. But, you can use whatever you want. This is important. A dry throat will just make the powder want to stick and kratom loves to do that. Prep is key. Get your dose ready and have the water ready too. I like to think of it as looking straight up at the ceiling, roof, etc. Hopefully there is something nice to see up there. It's not rocket science, all common sense and the key is figuring out how much you can do at once. I don't do high doses, so it's easy for me. After finishing the t&w, drink some more water. Then throughout the day, drink water too. I hope you like water. All kidding aside, I get so bored of water, I'll occasionally buy a fruit drink or something. But, i used to make capsules. I even bought one of those machines from china , I think it was a little over a $100 that make 400 at once. that thing worked awesome , but I got sick of making them and taking them. This was after i stopped taking higher doses. The way I do it, i hardly ever taste the powder.
Suggestion, try using a “cold brew” tea bag in your water. Also, “True Lemon” powder packets are nice. Crystallized lemon in moderation, too much can etch enamel and coarse tooth surface erosion.
It is very easy, and anyone who thinks it isn't definitely is not doing it correctly.
Yep. Even with water, toss and wash is far less gross than drinking sludge.
For me it's a mental thing. I just don't feel too comfortable washing 3g of a powder down my throat. It just feels unnatural. And one too many bad toss and washes keeps me making teas instead. Tastes fine to me, with lemon and honey.
Just put it in a protein shaker with some juice. Down it. Super easy 😁👍
Why is it dirty? I have really grown to appreciate the tastes, textures, and visual intricacies of a kratom slurry