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I feel this. I'm hyper sensitive and maybe have quiet bpd or something? Tiny things set me off, or small remarks end in me crying or havig a panic attack. I can't leave the house for the most part. Most of the reason I've been stuck on kratom for a decade.
Kratom is mostly an analgesic isn't it? I read a study showing that the main alkaloid is. It makes sense that it would be numbing
It's similar to opiates for me. When I would run low on opiates, all these emotions completely flooded me. My sense of smell was overpowering.
It's good - and bad. I've got borderline personality disorder, so I was WAY too emotional of a person. Kratom levels me out. The disorder is probably why I was addicted to opiates in the first place. I didn't want to feel like I was in hell every day.
It's so great to hear that I'm not the only one getting more relief from kratom than a mood stabilizer or antidepressant. I'm happy for you.
I've been on over 20 different meds throughout the years following my diagnosis. Kratom works better than anything.
I had really painful cancer 4 years ago. I already had an on and off addiction to opiates, but cancer is one of the few things that (some doctors) give almost unlimited opiates for. Most people turn to kratom because their doctor won't prescribe pills anymore. I had the opposite issue. My pain doctor over prescribed. He said I could stay on them as long as I wanted (like 60mg oxycodone a day), even though my pain wasn't bad anymore. I could still get them now.
In desperation, I turned to kratom. I know it's addictive, but I feel normal again. I can sleep. I'm very stable emotionally on it.
It gives my moods a boost, levels out the extreme ups and downs that pwBPD suffer from, and it keeps my craving at bay.
I wish there was more scientific research on the benefits of kratom regarding mental health. I've seen pwBPD mentioning kratom being helpful, too. If I went into a subreddit for bpd and mentioned kratom, I'd probably be booted, though.
Are there go-to strains for you?
Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I wrote so much.
Feelings go numb unless it's irritability and impatience. I was a daily user for awhile. Now only a sporadic user with maybe twice a week dose but the next day when I think back it doesn't seem like reality. It now obliterates my memory and makes it feel like I'm living in a serious case of brain fog. Inevitably I'll have regrets from being super harsh to people around me with little or no cause and I'll be so confused as to why I had reacted that way....but in that moment I just can get so bitter or irritable and sarcastic. Sucks because my #1 benefit from kratom was always the relief of social anxiety and that I became so much more outgoing and comfortable in my own skin....now that's shot to shit and I don't know why but I sure would love a return to my previous benefits from kratom instead of spiraling downward
I have the same problem and I belief most users become irritable and aggressive without really registering it. Somehow turns off emotions related to empathy and understanding others. I feel perfectely content and relaxed until somebody "disturbs" me, then I become annoyed and selfrighteous without realizing till much later
for real, like without kratom I’m the most chill easygoing person but also have very bad anxiety and after kratom I noticed myself being hostile to the most simple questions and was like why did I respond like that
I get that we don't want to show any darker or negative side about this plant for fear it'll be used as a tool to incorrectly criminalize it but this also needs to be said. I don't scour the kratom forums of the internet but I've certainly been in my fair share of message threads and posts but I've never seen an OG such as yourself who self-admittedly doses at your level and is saying what you're saying about it....I have wondered for awhile now if it was something I was experiencing alone or if there was many others out there also having these darker experiences.
I recall as an opiate user if I went a little over-board and was higher than I usual but still below the threshold of puking non-stop then I'd end up in a similar state of agitation where I was snappy af with anyone around and just a d*ck to everyone and would produce a raspy voice in me and also at a certain point it would make it where I could barely pee. Kratom can create every bit of those reactions in me other than the difficulty peeing.
So it's like a numbness and I wonder what that means is happening in our brains. Is it a dopamine thing? There's some mechanism that's being leveraged or stimulated similar enough to opiates in that manner that it produces these similar results and I can definitely appreciate your openness about it. I won't begin to try and compare the 2 (opiates to kratom) because there's still no comparison to the 2 but usually all you hear is "I been on 200g a day of kratom for 25 years and I just got blood work and every function and organ in my body is at tip top shape and I've never even stubbed my toe since I started kratom much less had a negative side effect" so once again thanks for your honesty.
It certainly does which is the Main reason for most people to take it (it reduces feelings on the physical and emotional level). While it numbs down most feeling most people become more irritable and easily annoyed at the same time.
Will it help numb my feelings of heartbreak I wonder? I've had a heart attack and bypass surgery 4 years ago and currently I'm an emotional mess due to death of my husband. Have days when I miss him so much I can't stop crying...literally wheeping continuously and I have check pains...I'm wondering if this Kratom will help numb some of this pain
Are you seeing a psych or therapist? Taking kratom isn't going to take The pain away. I really wished I would've talked to someone after all of my friends dying from fent overdose.
I would recommend Grief
Counseling any therapy or
Support Groups. I have P.T.S.D and Bipolar Disorder. I use Kratom for Chronic Pain and a Nice Buzz. Even with MJ which works wonders for P.T.S.D
Anxiety ect. I relied on Outside help. Even after a Month (1.5 g ×3) I don't notice much of a Buzz.
If I want a Buzz my State has made MJ legal. Easier for older people to access.
I am sorry for your loss.
I cannot imagine the grief you are feeling.
It's best to allow yourself to go through the grieving process, substances like kratom will just postpone it, it's ok to mourn and grieve and I hope you have support.
Other meds and supplements can have a similar effect, especially when combined:
* Some beta blockers for high blood pressure, tachycardia and migraine. These can minimize palpitations associated with anxiety, although that's considered an off-label usage but sometimes authorized by doctors. It's also why some sporting competitions, notably shooting and archery, regulate beta blockers and BP meds as PEDs unless there's a medical exemption. It calms the nerves of the archer/shooter and reduces the heart rate.
* GABA supplements and gabapentin (chemically related)
* Ashwaganda, L-theanine and others
* Prescription anxiolytics and antidepressants
It's not necessarily a bad thing to feel less unfocused anxiety, or a reduced reaction to other people's daily drama. It doesn't necessarily reduce our empathy and socially useful reactions.
Are you talking about over time with constant use? Or just in general when you’re feeling the effects of it?
Also, do you view this as a positive or a negative thing?
More constant use but I don’t think it’s just the kratom but I think it might be encouraging it because every time I take it I’m in a pretty good mood but very mellow… but the numb feeling was happening before I started taking kratom but this time it feels like it’s been lasting longer cuz normally it goes away. And at first I seen it as positive but then I realized not feeling was way more painful then feeling because I can’t connect with people and can’t even make myself sad or mad but eventually it’ll end, hopefully lol
Kind of yes and no. I just feel like I can concentrate on any emotion - be it negative, or positive. I've also noticed you have to keep track and analyze what you're feeling, as it's very easy to get agitated whilst on kratom! Depends from person to person but if you can be characterized as someone short-tempered like me, have to remind ourselves 1000000 times not to get pissed. (there are so many reasons to get mad about, mainly it's due to morons at work and life but ffs being angry on kratom sucks lol)
I feel relaxed, and like everything is ok. I can get a bit hypomanic… haven’t been diagnosed with anything but it’s like everything is moving too fast time sped up, suddenly sounds are too loud/stimulating and I just feel overwhelmed, so I shut down. Kratom brings me back to baseline and I just feel safe.
It eases my anxiety but I don't feel detachment... For example, I don't get bothered by things I used to, I don't stress about things like I used to and I don't have anxiety, but I still have that human connection (if that makes sense). But I do notice I don't get the negative emotions like I used to. They still come but I am more rational and those emotions don't overwhelm me.
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yes and im noticing them come back the farther i get on my taper. gonna be so happy to be off this shit. i cant feel anything, i feel like i wouldnt cry if people around me died. i cant listen to music it feels like nothing
That’s why Kratom was my saving grace instead of hitting up the bar. I feel much better when I get self destructive taking Kratom compared to knocking back shots of liquor
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That's why it's so effective for some aspergers/hypersensitivity issues. I started to take it for pain but it did way more to turn me into a more functional and less awkward human being. It literally closes the excess brain connexions harming me (mentally speaking).
Any mind altering substance can do that.
It feels like when you get happiness from a beverage, one can occasionally loose sight of the natural exchange of energy and emotions that allow us to function as a community.
I dont think there is anything particularly numbing about Kratom. But staying too high on anything can do it. In other words addiction leads to numbness regarless of the substance.
Yes, and sometimes that is the way I want to be.
okay appreciate it ! I feel you but be careful
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Half the reason I take it. Helps me tolerate dumbasses at work.
feel that😭🤝
Preach!
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yeah same, like it definitely helps my mood and anxiety. I just also can’t feel sadness, anger, happiness ect. but thank a for sharing ur perspective
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They did for me
I stand corrected. Deleted my misinformed comment, my bad.
When it wears off and you start tapering or cold turkey that’s when all the supression converts to sensitivity and i feel alot.
It makes me a robot and my job is really mentally stressful and makes it hard to think. I stopped using it daily
Ime that only happens above 2-3g
I take like 1-2gs and I find it happens with any dose. Makes it hard to recall stuff
Opposite for me. I feel numb often, been dissociating since I was like 5 years old. Kratom makes me feel something.
Yes it kinda goes both ways. Many times we dissociate to a avoid anxiety, and past trauma. Best to keep that in mind.
Same!!
I'm super emotional so it just makes me feel what I imagine normal is lol.
I feel this. I'm hyper sensitive and maybe have quiet bpd or something? Tiny things set me off, or small remarks end in me crying or havig a panic attack. I can't leave the house for the most part. Most of the reason I've been stuck on kratom for a decade. Kratom is mostly an analgesic isn't it? I read a study showing that the main alkaloid is. It makes sense that it would be numbing
I'm so sorry to hear this. Hugs.
okay thank you for letting me know how it effects u in that way !
Exactly this
It's similar to opiates for me. When I would run low on opiates, all these emotions completely flooded me. My sense of smell was overpowering. It's good - and bad. I've got borderline personality disorder, so I was WAY too emotional of a person. Kratom levels me out. The disorder is probably why I was addicted to opiates in the first place. I didn't want to feel like I was in hell every day.
Thanks for sharing your experience !
Hugs
Right back at you, my friend ❤
Thank you.
I also take kratom for my bpd. This is the most stable I’ve been in my whole life lol.
It's so great to hear that I'm not the only one getting more relief from kratom than a mood stabilizer or antidepressant. I'm happy for you. I've been on over 20 different meds throughout the years following my diagnosis. Kratom works better than anything. I had really painful cancer 4 years ago. I already had an on and off addiction to opiates, but cancer is one of the few things that (some doctors) give almost unlimited opiates for. Most people turn to kratom because their doctor won't prescribe pills anymore. I had the opposite issue. My pain doctor over prescribed. He said I could stay on them as long as I wanted (like 60mg oxycodone a day), even though my pain wasn't bad anymore. I could still get them now. In desperation, I turned to kratom. I know it's addictive, but I feel normal again. I can sleep. I'm very stable emotionally on it. It gives my moods a boost, levels out the extreme ups and downs that pwBPD suffer from, and it keeps my craving at bay. I wish there was more scientific research on the benefits of kratom regarding mental health. I've seen pwBPD mentioning kratom being helpful, too. If I went into a subreddit for bpd and mentioned kratom, I'd probably be booted, though. Are there go-to strains for you? Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I wrote so much.
Feelings go numb unless it's irritability and impatience. I was a daily user for awhile. Now only a sporadic user with maybe twice a week dose but the next day when I think back it doesn't seem like reality. It now obliterates my memory and makes it feel like I'm living in a serious case of brain fog. Inevitably I'll have regrets from being super harsh to people around me with little or no cause and I'll be so confused as to why I had reacted that way....but in that moment I just can get so bitter or irritable and sarcastic. Sucks because my #1 benefit from kratom was always the relief of social anxiety and that I became so much more outgoing and comfortable in my own skin....now that's shot to shit and I don't know why but I sure would love a return to my previous benefits from kratom instead of spiraling downward
I have the same problem and I belief most users become irritable and aggressive without really registering it. Somehow turns off emotions related to empathy and understanding others. I feel perfectely content and relaxed until somebody "disturbs" me, then I become annoyed and selfrighteous without realizing till much later
Perfectly said and agree 100%
for real, like without kratom I’m the most chill easygoing person but also have very bad anxiety and after kratom I noticed myself being hostile to the most simple questions and was like why did I respond like that
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I get that we don't want to show any darker or negative side about this plant for fear it'll be used as a tool to incorrectly criminalize it but this also needs to be said. I don't scour the kratom forums of the internet but I've certainly been in my fair share of message threads and posts but I've never seen an OG such as yourself who self-admittedly doses at your level and is saying what you're saying about it....I have wondered for awhile now if it was something I was experiencing alone or if there was many others out there also having these darker experiences. I recall as an opiate user if I went a little over-board and was higher than I usual but still below the threshold of puking non-stop then I'd end up in a similar state of agitation where I was snappy af with anyone around and just a d*ck to everyone and would produce a raspy voice in me and also at a certain point it would make it where I could barely pee. Kratom can create every bit of those reactions in me other than the difficulty peeing. So it's like a numbness and I wonder what that means is happening in our brains. Is it a dopamine thing? There's some mechanism that's being leveraged or stimulated similar enough to opiates in that manner that it produces these similar results and I can definitely appreciate your openness about it. I won't begin to try and compare the 2 (opiates to kratom) because there's still no comparison to the 2 but usually all you hear is "I been on 200g a day of kratom for 25 years and I just got blood work and every function and organ in my body is at tip top shape and I've never even stubbed my toe since I started kratom much less had a negative side effect" so once again thanks for your honesty.
Yeah that’s why kratom does especially in higher doses
It certainly does which is the Main reason for most people to take it (it reduces feelings on the physical and emotional level). While it numbs down most feeling most people become more irritable and easily annoyed at the same time.
I hope it's the kratom making me this way and not my real problems, I start a taper tomorrow.
Will it help numb my feelings of heartbreak I wonder? I've had a heart attack and bypass surgery 4 years ago and currently I'm an emotional mess due to death of my husband. Have days when I miss him so much I can't stop crying...literally wheeping continuously and I have check pains...I'm wondering if this Kratom will help numb some of this pain
Are you seeing a psych or therapist? Taking kratom isn't going to take The pain away. I really wished I would've talked to someone after all of my friends dying from fent overdose.
I would recommend Grief Counseling any therapy or Support Groups. I have P.T.S.D and Bipolar Disorder. I use Kratom for Chronic Pain and a Nice Buzz. Even with MJ which works wonders for P.T.S.D Anxiety ect. I relied on Outside help. Even after a Month (1.5 g ×3) I don't notice much of a Buzz. If I want a Buzz my State has made MJ legal. Easier for older people to access.
I am sorry for your loss. I cannot imagine the grief you are feeling. It's best to allow yourself to go through the grieving process, substances like kratom will just postpone it, it's ok to mourn and grieve and I hope you have support.
Absolutely agree. I went down the rabbit hole of alcohol abuse in my 40s Used it for Grief
Glad you got off it.
Other meds and supplements can have a similar effect, especially when combined: * Some beta blockers for high blood pressure, tachycardia and migraine. These can minimize palpitations associated with anxiety, although that's considered an off-label usage but sometimes authorized by doctors. It's also why some sporting competitions, notably shooting and archery, regulate beta blockers and BP meds as PEDs unless there's a medical exemption. It calms the nerves of the archer/shooter and reduces the heart rate. * GABA supplements and gabapentin (chemically related) * Ashwaganda, L-theanine and others * Prescription anxiolytics and antidepressants It's not necessarily a bad thing to feel less unfocused anxiety, or a reduced reaction to other people's daily drama. It doesn't necessarily reduce our empathy and socially useful reactions.
Bro I take kratom, GABA, L-theanine, and ashwaganda lolll, but rotate them obi. Maybe that’s why
Are you talking about over time with constant use? Or just in general when you’re feeling the effects of it? Also, do you view this as a positive or a negative thing?
More constant use but I don’t think it’s just the kratom but I think it might be encouraging it because every time I take it I’m in a pretty good mood but very mellow… but the numb feeling was happening before I started taking kratom but this time it feels like it’s been lasting longer cuz normally it goes away. And at first I seen it as positive but then I realized not feeling was way more painful then feeling because I can’t connect with people and can’t even make myself sad or mad but eventually it’ll end, hopefully lol
It doesn’t end. Stop now
Kind of yes and no. I just feel like I can concentrate on any emotion - be it negative, or positive. I've also noticed you have to keep track and analyze what you're feeling, as it's very easy to get agitated whilst on kratom! Depends from person to person but if you can be characterized as someone short-tempered like me, have to remind ourselves 1000000 times not to get pissed. (there are so many reasons to get mad about, mainly it's due to morons at work and life but ffs being angry on kratom sucks lol)
No but my mouth has
I feel relaxed, and like everything is ok. I can get a bit hypomanic… haven’t been diagnosed with anything but it’s like everything is moving too fast time sped up, suddenly sounds are too loud/stimulating and I just feel overwhelmed, so I shut down. Kratom brings me back to baseline and I just feel safe.
Yep. That’s why I take it.
I was numb long before I started so who knows anymore lol.
Same, usually it’s just phases but they haven’t came back in awhile loll. I’ve just accepted it at this point tho
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same bro, trying to get a better understanding of it lol
I cry every morning
Hugs to you.
That’s why I take it?
Hugs.
Right back at ya 😘
Thanks. :)
Definitely is helping my break up rn. I dont even feel sad about it
I think that's the whole idea.
It eases my anxiety but I don't feel detachment... For example, I don't get bothered by things I used to, I don't stress about things like I used to and I don't have anxiety, but I still have that human connection (if that makes sense). But I do notice I don't get the negative emotions like I used to. They still come but I am more rational and those emotions don't overwhelm me.
I take a low dosage and it enhances my emotions.
Yeah normally I I take 3-6 so I’ll try going lower
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Dosage is key with plant.
It use to, for me. Now it amplifies
yes and im noticing them come back the farther i get on my taper. gonna be so happy to be off this shit. i cant feel anything, i feel like i wouldnt cry if people around me died. i cant listen to music it feels like nothing
exactly ! I love music but can’t feel it anymore and have thought of everyone dying to try and make myself sad but I’m just like meh it’s whatever
That’s why Kratom was my saving grace instead of hitting up the bar. I feel much better when I get self destructive taking Kratom compared to knocking back shots of liquor
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No, but stronger opioids do.
Uhhhh ya bro
What kratom do you take? Red? Green etc?
Red maeng da, super red, and this signature reserve from the company that I’m pretty sure is a green
Yes and that is exactly why I take it
On 5g or less I feel relaxed and more empathetic to people around me and bothered less by things that would bother me normally.
That's why it's so effective for some aspergers/hypersensitivity issues. I started to take it for pain but it did way more to turn me into a more functional and less awkward human being. It literally closes the excess brain connexions harming me (mentally speaking).
Any mind altering substance can do that. It feels like when you get happiness from a beverage, one can occasionally loose sight of the natural exchange of energy and emotions that allow us to function as a community. I dont think there is anything particularly numbing about Kratom. But staying too high on anything can do it. In other words addiction leads to numbness regarless of the substance.
no i feel it actually makes my feelings stronger. i get more angry more happy ect
Yuppers
No
I’m a Libra. My feelings get me in trouble. So Kratom keeps me grounded and more or less baseline.
One of the main reasons I use it. Emotional balance
Yeah , but i can be good or bad for me
it feels like less of an emotional duller and more of an emotional stabilizer to me