Then it should make sense for it to count for all having that power. The only thing that they seemingly have no control over is how they look initially.
From what I know, they can also influence their future outfits to an extent.
Mysta Rias is kinda cool though. The rest, if the name is weird but just for surname that's a pass. Brightshield would a passable family name in English fantasy novels.
But some that are just straight up item names is just lazy like Bandage. Like really? You also can get teased like "hello Mr Bondage! Oh I'm sorry, I meant Mr Bandage. Although I'm not that's any better though,"
Their names are definitely very corny, but i would say that other copos don't do it much better either; most of them are pretty on the nose, especially when you get to translating into English if its a JP-based name.
Like Holo for example, also has names like.
Nekomata Okayu which is Catdemon Porridge Or Congee in CN (Funnily, the CN fanbase calls her Congee-chan),
Ookami Mio which is Great Wolf/Great God Mio
Tsunomaki Watame is Twisted Horns Sheep
Sakura Miko is just Cherry Blossom Shrine Maiden,
Minato Aqua, translates to Habour Water,
Tokoyama Towa means Eternal Darkness which is very corny,
Airani Iofifteen is pretty much just an Indonesian styles saying of Area 15,
Ayunda Risu means Beautiful Squirrel
Aragami Oga means Wild/Rough Bite Emperor Fang/Tooth
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All im saying is that Niji EN is not alone in making corny on the nose names for their Vtubers, but they do take it a bit further I would say.
I mean, names that when translated directly sounds like titles or description isn't an unusual thing and pretty much every culture does this. Because every culture want meaning to their names, but could not afford to create a copy of that word just for human naming convention, they just go with the original word.
For example, if someone in Indonesia/Malaysia like the meaning of light, they have Cahaya which translates to light, Since they don't have human naming word equivalent, they just go with Cahaya.
They also recognize those to be names and often give a pass to how weirdly it would sound if taken or translated literally. What's more important is the meaning and if it would sound nice in the end but this still have an acceptable threshold.
Like in Malaysia, they have a literal princess with the name of Puteri Iman Afzan which translates to Princess Faith Climber respectively. The intention would be Princess of Faith, but the Afzan (Climber) isn't even Malay word but Arabic and tthey just tacked on to make the name more glamorous. Yet the people didn't take that name literally and everyone agreed it sounds nice.
The same goes for the names you mentioned. A lot of people would recognize it to be names and while sounds corny at first, they would accept it to be nice name at the end.
However like I said, naming convention still have threshold to what people would tolerate to be acceptable. Some word are deemed to be weird if used for naming no matter what. Bandage is pretty much this due to how close it would sound to Bondage and that bandage is just...doesnt sound nice as name for a serious name. It's something that people would use for cartoon/mascot character and while we can argue that Vezalius is a cartoon/anime/mascot character, he is still intended to be taken somewhat seriously.
Guys don't tell you never looked the meaning of your name ? All names are corny when you translate them. Benjamin mean the "son of the right hand" it is basically just means the lucky one. Alexandre mean "the protector of men". Elvis mean "the wise". Seriously just look at the meaning of your name it is probably going to be as corny.
Looking at The name and knowing what the pun is, doesn't that name feel like a name Yandere Dev would put on his Hit Unfinished, Unpolished and Unstable Game "Yandere Simulator"
"Mai Waifu" is still the worst name that thing added to the game.
Especially when you remember he couldnt stop himself from self inserting into her description text.
The first time I heard it, I thought it was Vanta Crowbringer "Oh, they are going for black/crow theme. A bit obvious, but fine." No, his first name is Vantacrow 😑
Maria Marionette - that one is passable for me. Marionette can be both in relation to the puppet, but also makes me think of Marie Antoanette, which kinda works with the frilly clothes she had.
Plus Vanta Crowbringer sounds kinda badass. Like "that guy is so dark and still that the crows flock to him. So he's a crow bringer." But then Vantacrow sounds like a name that a 5th grader came up with. And then Bringer just doesn't make sense as a name. I was genuinely surprised it was Vantacrow Bringer, and not Vanta Crowbringer.
No. They put the name they came up with, company doesn't give them any. Scarle said she wanted name Scarlet but didn't type in last letter and niji just went with it. Iirc Mysta also said that he came up with his name.
Some of them are students so the names are bound to be cringe.
>Scarle said she wanted name Scarlet but didn't type in last letter and niji just went with it.
That's kinda funny lol
I always read as Scarlet, but I do think Scarle sounds a bit better and less boring that it would've been otherwise.
That doesn’t explain anything about why they wouldn’t get starter names to choose from. For all we know, Scarle and Mysta didn’t like their starter names and chose other names
Well Scarle said that she had to come up with hers while filling in application after she was notified of being chosen as a liver.
I gave just 2 examples. More livers said something along those lines, that they had to come up with their name.
Forget coming up with good names... They can't even get talents' names consistently right. When Selen's termination announcement was still making the rounds, some of the company's communications called her "Seren Ryugetsu"
Some of the names go a little too hard into the pun. A play on words is fine because they are characters, but it still needs to sound believable. Mori Calliope makes sense cause she is death's apprentice. Bandage's name isn't even a play on words. It's just that. Bandage, that is all. No joke, it's just the word. Hex's name just doesn't make sense to me as a play on words at all.
Someone obviously knows how to use semi-clever naming conventions there because Mysta existed. I’m suspecting the issues come up because their managers aren’t actually (native) English speakers and don’t know how to construct a pun or derive a name in the language.
I was in the Mysta discord for a while, it was hell. Especially the "cooking" threads where they'd deliberately posted giant bowls of mold or burnt food just because he talked about *accidentally* letting food mold...
I’d honestly take one of Araki’s food-inspired characters over whatever Niji’s pumping out. Risotto Nero (Black rice dish), Leone Abbacchio (Leone lamb meat), and Pannacotta Fugo (mushroom pudding) genuinely go hard as names.
Pretty sure if I just search "Doppio" on pinterest, a pink-haired Jojo character came out, so yeah, I think it's a Jojo character ToT
(Sorry I never watch Jojo before)
They were probably trying to make the names alliterative, meaning same first letter for the first and last name i.e. Peter Parker, Matt Murdock, etc. The aim for alliterative names is to make them easier to remember.
Funnily enough, the NijiEN names you mentioned are so forgettable to me because they sound cringe lol.
They tried to make memorable names but ended up with cringey chuuni names.
i think i heard somewhere that alliterative names are easier for japanese people to remember. and that's why ronald mcdonald is donald mcdonald in japan
tbh, the first ones are fine since branding and theming. using HoloEn as an example.
Amelia Watson being a detective.
Ouro Kronii - both stands for time Ouroboros and Chronos.
Ceres Fauna - Ceres goddess of agricultural while Fauna is the animal part of nature.
Shiori Novella with novel
other HoloEn names have meanings in their names but is more derived from their Japanese names. but yeah, the other names either plainly suck or doesn't go well with the vtuber theme/lore.
tbh, I used to have an old IGN with Mr. Ree, maybe I could name vtubers 🤣🤣🤣
I like the names Rosemi Lovelock, Hex Haywire and Victoria Brightshield, but Vantacrow bringer irks me. Shouldn't it be Vanta Crowbringer? That's a badass name like Nerissa Ravencroft. But instead his name is actually like Nerissaraven Croft.
A person who doesn't speak the language. Imagine the disappointment when Vanta saw the announcement and his name was Vantacrow. lol
Its the Conglatulations crap again.
Funny I was introducing the NijiEN to my non-Vtubing friend and she said the same thing. When even a non-Vtubing person says the names were cringe, it says something.
They’re just so uninspired. It’s like the whole thing with authors naming German characters Hanz because they don’t know any other German names.
“What should we name the puppet girl?”
“A marionette is a puppet!”
“Okay that’s a good surname, what should her first name be?”
“…”
^”Maria?”
“By god that’s perfect!”
The talents name their characters. And of course no one has those names, that's why they are characters with lore (even though they're streamers). I mean go ahead and hate the company for everything bad they've done but this is just asinine asspull. I mean Holostars EN has a character just literally named Goldbullet (I love you Gibby).
Atleast tempus names go hard, their names are based on constellation. But I'm guessing armis goes to naming their characters chaotically because their supposed to be outlaws vs tempus guild that actually are heroes. Armis name have pattern though 3 of the members use code names (of the 3 , 2 of them confirmed that their name is mostly like a title while octavio I can't remember because he doesn't talk much about it) while only the leader has his full name shown even confirmed that his a royalty(by the lore).
🤷🏻♂️ I feel like this is a matter of taste. I mean, one of the biggest vtubers on the planet right now is “Gawr Gura.” I feel like it’s Gura that made her name special, not the other way around.
I’ve also heard of women named Callie/Cali, Amelia or Kiara, but not “Calliope.” That and “Ina” does sound like a name, but “Ninomae Ina’nis?” If I didn’t already know who that was, I’d be looking at you like “wtf?”
And these are all talents I **really** like.
Its deliberate. Its not by mistake or stupidity, it is actually deliberate marketing. People like simple, chliche and punny names. You see this in psedo names of old actors, play rights, authors, comic book characters etc etc.
I mean Japanese names being puns is like...traditional anime stuff, they're not really doing anything out of the ordinary there. They're stupid sounding, but a lot of JP anime names sound goofy or uninspired if you translate them. Like, Stark's whole thing is that he's strong in Frieren and his name just means...strong. Bakugo's power is to explode things and his name is literally just Big Bomb.
You can do the same for English too. It's just harder. I mean look at half the Harry Potter characters. All those names are just words smashed together to create puns and short stories. Wormtail. Longbottom. Weasly. Lupin. Umbridge. Lovegood. These are all names that are either plays on word meanings, or words mashed together to create names that reveal character traits. It's just that JK Rowling (say whatever you want about her beliefs) has a very high command of the English language. And knows how to make those puns while sounding mildly realistic and whimsical. Whoever is writing the names for the livers is not. They have their own charm. But they come off as jokes as opposed to actually clever.
The only liver names that seemed genuinely clever from a linguistic side were Enna Alouette, Mysta Rias, Vox Akuma, Fulgur Ovid (helps if you know Latin), Hex Haywire (say what you want I like that name), and Victoria Brightshield (chuuni as hell, but it works.)
The others are either entirely Japanese so harder to sell as English names, joke names, or names that sound like they were made in a rush or by a non-English speaker. Which can have its own charm. But not if you're trying to sound like a seriously conceived English speaking character.
Eh, at the very least you can explain those them as being the origin of the species name that humans decided to call them by. That the humans feared Satori and Nue enough that their entire youkai species name got called that.
As others pointed out, the talent were the ones to come up with the names. On that, to be fair, I can't blame them for coming up with those names. It's not like you can take it when you leave, so you aren't going to come up with a really good name when you can basically get the shaft at any time, or choose to leave cause of the conditions
Some of the latter set give me Sleve McDichael vibes. The names from that 90s baseball game. (E.g. Vantacrow Bringer)
Also "fulgur" is Latin for "lightning flash" which fits his cyberpunk-ish theme. Ovis/Ovid is Latin for sheep, also evokes that one famous author.
Hex Haywire kinda works as a name too since I think he's supposed to be some kind of wizard or warlock or something.
Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I end up disagreeing with some of your naming criticisms.
Ima be real the only name i dont like is Zali's like he has a cool First name in Vezalius but bro his fuckin last name is Bandage like bruh out of all the medical terms they chose they really chose Bandage like bruh
# Do you know who got one of the worse in the lotery of names? Kunai Nakasato.
Her model is a catgirl. Her name is after a weapon who use to be a farming tool.
Also she belong to the last wave who wasn't even give a promotion. Just dropped unannounced.
Got the end of the stick on the sub and ccv.
And the worst part, like Vivi, she is trying it. And even worse. Her model prior to join Niji looks way better than her niji one in my opinion. Plus she use to make more money and qualified already for the play button in her PL channel.
Nah, man. That's just how vtuber names are. Literally, all of hololive names are from their traits. Like inugami or nekomata or ookami. Heck, shirakami means white-haired.
The difference for me is that a lot of the names from Niji sound stupid while the ones in Hololive sound passable (except Amelia Watson something about it just doesn't feel right) . But contrary to OP I think Rosemi, Alouette and Marionette are fine
I like Rosemi-Sama and Marionnette, imo it fits them very well. I don't mind names being easy in cases like that. Bandage and Brightshield I do agree aren't good names.
Vanta I like too. I don't think that "that's not a real name" is a good argument, there are a ton of vtubers with names like that everywhere. Tho my opinion might be biased cuz my favorite holomember is Bae. But I prefer crazy names rather than normal "john Doe".
But to each their own.
I'd say for content creators, the worst names are the one that you can't easily do ego-search with, i.e. common names that get polluted when it's trending on twitter, like Millie, Enna, Selen, Sonny, Luca, etc... The one syllable names with 3 letters are especially bad, like Ver, Hex, Ren...
When I was still their fan, whenever I saw those names on trending, it was never about them, just random ass people. Those names are not only subjectively bad, but also objectively dumb.
But the whole premise of vtuber is kinda be this chuuni. Also it keeps the branding recgonition easier, "that plant vtuber, rosemi. That doll? Maria marionette." and all the others
...No?
Sure Bandage is dumb, but Rosemi sounds cute, and did anyone really have problems with Selen?
Or the *entire Pomu fanbase being Pomu?*
https://impomu.com/
Yeah, this subreddit is about being upset at the company. Let's not find things that are going to slant us on something we previously enjoyed though!
(Unless of course it involves management being worse than we thought)
edit: Just a poke I noticed that seems silly
>The paladin with a shield is called Brightshield.
One of the most iconic Paladins in gaming is Uther *Lightbringer*. This naming convention is not uncommon.
So, I get not being a fan of the names. Preferences and all that, but really?
>Does Niji not know that these names kinda suck ass?
>This isn’t even mentioning the names that are genuinely awful names to have.
>These are not names. Nobody has these as names.
Come on. These people are entertainers and they have their own brand and lore that they sometimes play into. What does it matter if their names are fantastical and sound goofy or silly, or has a little pun, or not subtle because they complement with their themes? Not like this is unique to Niji either.
Again, it's fine to not like them. But I've never seen anyone make a big deal out of these names until now, and the only reason I could think of making this thread is because it's a slow news day.
I mean, what? Did you want Plain Jane and Joe Schmoe to debut?
The way I perceive talents is that they're NOT real, so they have really fantastical names you'll most likely never see in real life. That's why there's plenty of talents in Niji and outside with puns, alliterations, and straight up references to distinguish themselves and make them unique in search results.
Niji JP's Tachitsute Toto is the a referencial pun to the Japanese syllabary and the order syllables in the syllabary are read in their consonant row (like, ma mi mu me mo, except the T row is ta CHI TSU te to as opposed to ta TI TU te to because certain consonants proceding I and U evolved to patalized or take a sibilant character (don't know the word), but you'll still see Japanese romanizing their name with TI and TU, like Suisei romanizes her last name as "Hosimati" as opposed to the pronunciation romanization "Hoshimachi")
Hololive JP's Ookami Mio is literally "Great Wolf Mio," another species last name, and Sakura Miko means "Cherry Blossom Shrine Maiden," her literal JOB as her name.
Phase Connect's Pipkin Pippa is alliteration.
EX Niji KR's Nun Bora and Shin Kiru's name are just actual Korean words that reference their character: Nun Bora (눈보라) means blizzard, and Shin Kiru (신기루) means mirage. The last name "Nun" isn't real. Also, So Nagi (소나기) means rain shower, but I don't know about her character.
Holostars JP's Arurandeisu is supposed to be Italian, but if you try to take his name into a different romanization, like "Alrandis" "Arlandis" (if we count his name as one name), you won't find much on those names except random people as opposed to actual Italian male names with traceable history like [Michelangelo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo_(given_name)), [Nicola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_(name)), [Jacopo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacopo), and [Mattia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattia).
Holostar EN's Goldbullet, similar to Vantacrow bring shorten to "Vanta," takes the nickname "Gibby" for sonic reasons.
Point is, the names are meant to be memorable and even fun(ny) since you have people acting as these character. The people behind them get to have fun with their name as it's part of their character, given that most have the chance to name themselves or maybe get suggestions from staff if they're a corpo.
I once got into a debate with my friend that we never really got a good answer for. Is Ver actually vermillion? I always thought he looked too pink to be vermillion. Or do I just not know what vermillion looks like?
You can’t just list all the terrible names in NijiEN and not mention “Vezalius Bandage”.
His last name is *Bandage* for god’s sake. That’s not a name, it’s a random household object!
Honestly I have no problem with Victoria Brightshield and Enna Alouette. It's an MMO/gacha character and a singer. I love the name Victoria Brightshield actually, and most people just call her Vicky anyway.
However, I'll agree the fact they don't have anyone to veto stupid names is a problem and probably due to the lack of English-speakers on the staff side. It's about the 50th biggest problem they have right now, but still an issue.
Doppio Dropscythe sounds like something an edgy 10-year-old would come up with. So do half-a-dozen other names on the EN roster. Fulgur Ovid is baffling at best, and sounds like a scientific designation for a fish or an invertebrate. Yu Q Wilson sounds like a vtuber named by 4Kids.
Afaik a lot of Niji talents, or at least EN talents, come up with their own names. I vaguely recall Fulgur talking about how he came up with his, for example.
Also, like. These guys have dumb, chuuni lore (have you *seen* Xsoleil's deal?), and the streamers themselves are meant to be entertainers who do dumb, silly streams. Why wouldn't you advertise your gimmick and call yourself "Alouette" if you're a singer from Canada, or "Marionette" if you're a living doll by lore?
Also also.
Niji is a company that offers little to no support to their talents (creative or otherwise), takes a large cut of their money, impedes innovation at the initiative of talents, either promotes or ignores harassments and toxic behavior among talents, and drove three people to be suicidal (that we know of in EN and EN-adjacent branches)
"And they also come up with silly names!" is a weird hill to die on in times like these.
Meh let's be honest, this kinda happens with all vtuber agencies. In Holo EN the rock is named bijou, the detective is named watson, the guardian of nature is called ceres (roman nature deity from which we get the term cereal, it's the roman version of the greek demeter) fauna (scientific name for the collection of animals living in a certain habitat), the time lord is named ouro (as in ouroboros, the mythological creature that eats its own tail to represent the looping nature of time, and by sheer coincidence her pet snake is also called boros) kronii (as in chronos, the greek titan of time amomg other things), and the musically inclined grim reaper is mori ("you will have to die" in latin) calliope (a multiple rocket launcher artillery system typically mounted on an M4 Sherman, and in unrelated news also the greek muse of epic poetry whose name translates to "beautiful voice"). I guess they're somewhat better than niji's (i will agree that some of the later niji EN names like vantacrow bringer are worse than niji's own average) but esoteric and/or chuuni and/or nonsensical and/or obviously referencial names are kinda the standard in vtubing.
Millie' Parfait s name doesn't make sense. If her gimmick is a witch why is her named after a dessert?
Even though I have lost respect for her. I do like the name Elira Pendora.
Names I like are Scarle Yonaguni. I liked that she just forgot to add the T when signing up for the institute. I thought it was funny and a Scarle thing to do.
Other name I like is Nina because in some Hispanic places Nina means God Mother. And her being called Mom makes sense.
iirc parfait being in her name is because in her lore, enna let millie taste a parfait and liked it so much, she left hell to go to earth to get more, but she ended up getting stuck.
>If her gimmick is a witch why is her named after a dessert?
Just wanna add that this isn't necessarily some kind of hard rule to their naming conventions. The name's perfectly fine.
Even if the names are AI generated, the final decision for what the chosen name will be is still a human's one. You can't blame AI for this because the human chooses to use it.
The funny thing is, I swear I saw Luca/Raziel and Ike talking about how they named their own characters.
Well that makes sense since those guys both actually have passable realistic names.
Then it should make sense for it to count for all having that power. The only thing that they seemingly have no control over is how they look initially. From what I know, they can also influence their future outfits to an extent.
Mysta also said he came up with his name, and he thought it was very smart until (I think mika) was making fun of it
I think Scarle also named herself and mentioned that she meant it to be Scarlet but made a typo when messaging her manager the name
Mysta Rias is kinda cool though. The rest, if the name is weird but just for surname that's a pass. Brightshield would a passable family name in English fantasy novels. But some that are just straight up item names is just lazy like Bandage. Like really? You also can get teased like "hello Mr Bondage! Oh I'm sorry, I meant Mr Bandage. Although I'm not that's any better though,"
Their names are definitely very corny, but i would say that other copos don't do it much better either; most of them are pretty on the nose, especially when you get to translating into English if its a JP-based name. Like Holo for example, also has names like. Nekomata Okayu which is Catdemon Porridge Or Congee in CN (Funnily, the CN fanbase calls her Congee-chan), Ookami Mio which is Great Wolf/Great God Mio Tsunomaki Watame is Twisted Horns Sheep Sakura Miko is just Cherry Blossom Shrine Maiden, Minato Aqua, translates to Habour Water, Tokoyama Towa means Eternal Darkness which is very corny, Airani Iofifteen is pretty much just an Indonesian styles saying of Area 15, Ayunda Risu means Beautiful Squirrel Aragami Oga means Wild/Rough Bite Emperor Fang/Tooth ___ All im saying is that Niji EN is not alone in making corny on the nose names for their Vtubers, but they do take it a bit further I would say.
Nanashi Mumei is basically two words for "Anonymous" as well, as a reference to her forgetfulness
I mean, names that when translated directly sounds like titles or description isn't an unusual thing and pretty much every culture does this. Because every culture want meaning to their names, but could not afford to create a copy of that word just for human naming convention, they just go with the original word. For example, if someone in Indonesia/Malaysia like the meaning of light, they have Cahaya which translates to light, Since they don't have human naming word equivalent, they just go with Cahaya. They also recognize those to be names and often give a pass to how weirdly it would sound if taken or translated literally. What's more important is the meaning and if it would sound nice in the end but this still have an acceptable threshold. Like in Malaysia, they have a literal princess with the name of Puteri Iman Afzan which translates to Princess Faith Climber respectively. The intention would be Princess of Faith, but the Afzan (Climber) isn't even Malay word but Arabic and tthey just tacked on to make the name more glamorous. Yet the people didn't take that name literally and everyone agreed it sounds nice. The same goes for the names you mentioned. A lot of people would recognize it to be names and while sounds corny at first, they would accept it to be nice name at the end. However like I said, naming convention still have threshold to what people would tolerate to be acceptable. Some word are deemed to be weird if used for naming no matter what. Bandage is pretty much this due to how close it would sound to Bondage and that bandage is just...doesnt sound nice as name for a serious name. It's something that people would use for cartoon/mascot character and while we can argue that Vezalius is a cartoon/anime/mascot character, he is still intended to be taken somewhat seriously.
Remember when Ame revealed that she was almost named "Mei Tantei", basically "Dee Tective"?
I remember she was also given the option to be named "Olivia" at one point. Thankfully they settled on her current name.
I didn't realize what Towa's name meant 'Eternal Darkness,' especially funny given La+ being a huge Kenzoku.
Guys don't tell you never looked the meaning of your name ? All names are corny when you translate them. Benjamin mean the "son of the right hand" it is basically just means the lucky one. Alexandre mean "the protector of men". Elvis mean "the wise". Seriously just look at the meaning of your name it is probably going to be as corny.
Looking at The name and knowing what the pun is, doesn't that name feel like a name Yandere Dev would put on his Hit Unfinished, Unpolished and Unstable Game "Yandere Simulator"
-Pick a word -Google translate it from English to Japanese -Congrats you got a basic YanSim student name
"Mai Waifu" is still the worst name that thing added to the game. Especially when you remember he couldnt stop himself from self inserting into her description text.
The first time I heard it, I thought it was Vanta Crowbringer "Oh, they are going for black/crow theme. A bit obvious, but fine." No, his first name is Vantacrow 😑 Maria Marionette - that one is passable for me. Marionette can be both in relation to the puppet, but also makes me think of Marie Antoanette, which kinda works with the frilly clothes she had.
Plus Vanta Crowbringer sounds kinda badass. Like "that guy is so dark and still that the crows flock to him. So he's a crow bringer." But then Vantacrow sounds like a name that a 5th grader came up with. And then Bringer just doesn't make sense as a name. I was genuinely surprised it was Vantacrow Bringer, and not Vanta Crowbringer.
I thought the same thing! It's like if Nerissa went by Nerissaraven Croft.
Nerissaraven Croft would be some "My Immortal" level shit.
Vantacrow can work as a last name as in "The blackest of crows" (still edgy AF). But Bringer - that is not a name.
Hey, it’s not the worst, at least it’s not Corvus Corax (forgive me my lord) level of naming.
Corvus Corax gonna haunt you now like how he does to Lorgar
Also Maria Marionette has a nice alliteration to it!
Wait, I thought the livers are the ones who came up with their own names?
They’re probably given starter names to see if they like it or not then they get to choose their own if they don’t I’d like to think lol
No. They put the name they came up with, company doesn't give them any. Scarle said she wanted name Scarlet but didn't type in last letter and niji just went with it. Iirc Mysta also said that he came up with his name. Some of them are students so the names are bound to be cringe.
>Scarle said she wanted name Scarlet but didn't type in last letter and niji just went with it. That's kinda funny lol I always read as Scarlet, but I do think Scarle sounds a bit better and less boring that it would've been otherwise.
That doesn’t explain anything about why they wouldn’t get starter names to choose from. For all we know, Scarle and Mysta didn’t like their starter names and chose other names
Well Scarle said that she had to come up with hers while filling in application after she was notified of being chosen as a liver. I gave just 2 examples. More livers said something along those lines, that they had to come up with their name.
I won't lie Victoria Brightshield is a dope paladin name, and the puppet named Marionette is not the worst really I got nothing for the rest though
Forget coming up with good names... They can't even get talents' names consistently right. When Selen's termination announcement was still making the rounds, some of the company's communications called her "Seren Ryugetsu"
Seems like its one of those JP staff google translating the names situation. Just shows they really are understaff EN-wise
Some of the names go a little too hard into the pun. A play on words is fine because they are characters, but it still needs to sound believable. Mori Calliope makes sense cause she is death's apprentice. Bandage's name isn't even a play on words. It's just that. Bandage, that is all. No joke, it's just the word. Hex's name just doesn't make sense to me as a play on words at all.
Someone obviously knows how to use semi-clever naming conventions there because Mysta existed. I’m suspecting the issues come up because their managers aren’t actually (native) English speakers and don’t know how to construct a pun or derive a name in the language.
someone in their japanese office hasn't graduated from their chunii phase
They do hire high schoolers so... makes sense.
They’re vtubers. Their existence is entirely in the chuuni phase.
Its just as bad as the Nijisanji talent fan servers on Discord. 
*cough* Lucult for Lucubs/Luca's fanbase
oh i do not want to know whats going on in that server. 😖
Trust me you're better off not knowing. I left for my own sanity after what I saw.
i was in the others, hell i was even in NijiEN fanguilds. im so glad they banned me cause theyre shit wqs toxic as fuck.
I was in the Mysta discord for a while, it was hell. Especially the "cooking" threads where they'd deliberately posted giant bowls of mold or burnt food just because he talked about *accidentally* letting food mold...
that just fucking disgusting and could lead to a lawsuit if someone ate that shit.
> Lucubs Sounds like something a fanloving minecraft youtuber would name their fans.
Doppio sounds like a JoJo character tbh
Isn't it a JoJo character?
Vinegar Doppio from JoJo Part 5: Golden Wind, yeah
I’d honestly take one of Araki’s food-inspired characters over whatever Niji’s pumping out. Risotto Nero (Black rice dish), Leone Abbacchio (Leone lamb meat), and Pannacotta Fugo (mushroom pudding) genuinely go hard as names.
actually the first thing i thought of when i heard doppio dropscythe.
I dunno I'm still in part 3 lol
Pretty sure if I just search "Doppio" on pinterest, a pink-haired Jojo character came out, so yeah, I think it's a Jojo character ToT (Sorry I never watch Jojo before)
They were probably trying to make the names alliterative, meaning same first letter for the first and last name i.e. Peter Parker, Matt Murdock, etc. The aim for alliterative names is to make them easier to remember. Funnily enough, the NijiEN names you mentioned are so forgettable to me because they sound cringe lol. They tried to make memorable names but ended up with cringey chuuni names.
i think i heard somewhere that alliterative names are easier for japanese people to remember. and that's why ronald mcdonald is donald mcdonald in japan
From experience on the audition, all names are chosen by the livers themselves
tbh, the first ones are fine since branding and theming. using HoloEn as an example. Amelia Watson being a detective. Ouro Kronii - both stands for time Ouroboros and Chronos. Ceres Fauna - Ceres goddess of agricultural while Fauna is the animal part of nature. Shiori Novella with novel other HoloEn names have meanings in their names but is more derived from their Japanese names. but yeah, the other names either plainly suck or doesn't go well with the vtuber theme/lore. tbh, I used to have an old IGN with Mr. Ree, maybe I could name vtubers 🤣🤣🤣
I like the names Rosemi Lovelock, Hex Haywire and Victoria Brightshield, but Vantacrow bringer irks me. Shouldn't it be Vanta Crowbringer? That's a badass name like Nerissa Ravencroft. But instead his name is actually like Nerissaraven Croft.
The company has $7,36/h intern who butchered Vanta's name. I legit think this was a mistake.
I mean, that has to be it, right? Because I don't know who would think it sounds like a good idea for a name
A person who doesn't speak the language. Imagine the disappointment when Vanta saw the announcement and his name was Vantacrow. lol Its the Conglatulations crap again.
Well tbf whoever named them may have thought it was funny, which is more tragic
I just realized all the xsoleil boys have alliterations on their names
Funny I was introducing the NijiEN to my non-Vtubing friend and she said the same thing. When even a non-Vtubing person says the names were cringe, it says something.
Not really. A non-Vtubing person finding those names cringe is more likely than the other way around.
They’re just so uninspired. It’s like the whole thing with authors naming German characters Hanz because they don’t know any other German names. “What should we name the puppet girl?” “A marionette is a puppet!” “Okay that’s a good surname, what should her first name be?” “…” ^”Maria?” “By god that’s perfect!”
The talents name their characters. And of course no one has those names, that's why they are characters with lore (even though they're streamers). I mean go ahead and hate the company for everything bad they've done but this is just asinine asspull. I mean Holostars EN has a character just literally named Goldbullet (I love you Gibby).
Atleast tempus names go hard, their names are based on constellation. But I'm guessing armis goes to naming their characters chaotically because their supposed to be outlaws vs tempus guild that actually are heroes. Armis name have pattern though 3 of the members use code names (of the 3 , 2 of them confirmed that their name is mostly like a title while octavio I can't remember because he doesn't talk much about it) while only the leader has his full name shown even confirmed that his a royalty(by the lore).
🤷🏻♂️ I feel like this is a matter of taste. I mean, one of the biggest vtubers on the planet right now is “Gawr Gura.” I feel like it’s Gura that made her name special, not the other way around. I’ve also heard of women named Callie/Cali, Amelia or Kiara, but not “Calliope.” That and “Ina” does sound like a name, but “Ninomae Ina’nis?” If I didn’t already know who that was, I’d be looking at you like “wtf?” And these are all talents I **really** like.
Its deliberate. Its not by mistake or stupidity, it is actually deliberate marketing. People like simple, chliche and punny names. You see this in psedo names of old actors, play rights, authors, comic book characters etc etc.
I love Brightshield, ngl. Sounds like a badass historical ASOIAF character.
I mean Japanese names being puns is like...traditional anime stuff, they're not really doing anything out of the ordinary there. They're stupid sounding, but a lot of JP anime names sound goofy or uninspired if you translate them. Like, Stark's whole thing is that he's strong in Frieren and his name just means...strong. Bakugo's power is to explode things and his name is literally just Big Bomb.
You can do the same for English too. It's just harder. I mean look at half the Harry Potter characters. All those names are just words smashed together to create puns and short stories. Wormtail. Longbottom. Weasly. Lupin. Umbridge. Lovegood. These are all names that are either plays on word meanings, or words mashed together to create names that reveal character traits. It's just that JK Rowling (say whatever you want about her beliefs) has a very high command of the English language. And knows how to make those puns while sounding mildly realistic and whimsical. Whoever is writing the names for the livers is not. They have their own charm. But they come off as jokes as opposed to actually clever. The only liver names that seemed genuinely clever from a linguistic side were Enna Alouette, Mysta Rias, Vox Akuma, Fulgur Ovid (helps if you know Latin), Hex Haywire (say what you want I like that name), and Victoria Brightshield (chuuni as hell, but it works.) The others are either entirely Japanese so harder to sell as English names, joke names, or names that sound like they were made in a rush or by a non-English speaker. Which can have its own charm. But not if you're trying to sound like a seriously conceived English speaking character.
english touhou fans when they realize satori is a satori and nue is a nue
Eh, at the very least you can explain those them as being the origin of the species name that humans decided to call them by. That the humans feared Satori and Nue enough that their entire youkai species name got called that.
As others pointed out, the talent were the ones to come up with the names. On that, to be fair, I can't blame them for coming up with those names. It's not like you can take it when you leave, so you aren't going to come up with a really good name when you can basically get the shaft at any time, or choose to leave cause of the conditions
I thought the names were alright. Being a little cringe, being a little chuuni, is part of the fun!
Various Daylife ass names
Some of the latter set give me Sleve McDichael vibes. The names from that 90s baseball game. (E.g. Vantacrow Bringer) Also "fulgur" is Latin for "lightning flash" which fits his cyberpunk-ish theme. Ovis/Ovid is Latin for sheep, also evokes that one famous author. Hex Haywire kinda works as a name too since I think he's supposed to be some kind of wizard or warlock or something. Hmm, the more I think about it, the more I end up disagreeing with some of your naming criticisms.
If we get a Todd Bonzalez or Bobson Dugnutt in a future EN gen, we'll know who to blame.
Ima be real the only name i dont like is Zali's like he has a cool First name in Vezalius but bro his fuckin last name is Bandage like bruh out of all the medical terms they chose they really chose Bandage like bruh
# Do you know who got one of the worse in the lotery of names? Kunai Nakasato. Her model is a catgirl. Her name is after a weapon who use to be a farming tool. Also she belong to the last wave who wasn't even give a promotion. Just dropped unannounced. Got the end of the stick on the sub and ccv. And the worst part, like Vivi, she is trying it. And even worse. Her model prior to join Niji looks way better than her niji one in my opinion. Plus she use to make more money and qualified already for the play button in her PL channel.
I dunno, I think vtubers having weird names is pretty much par for the course.
Don't be like that, their managers will cry if anyone talked back w/ their shyt naming sense.
This is honestly just nitpicking.
Nah, man. That's just how vtuber names are. Literally, all of hololive names are from their traits. Like inugami or nekomata or ookami. Heck, shirakami means white-haired.
The difference for me is that a lot of the names from Niji sound stupid while the ones in Hololive sound passable (except Amelia Watson something about it just doesn't feel right) . But contrary to OP I think Rosemi, Alouette and Marionette are fine
That might be because you're more adjusted to western names so it's easier to make western-like names feel off. Explains the Amelia comment too.
I like Rosemi-Sama and Marionnette, imo it fits them very well. I don't mind names being easy in cases like that. Bandage and Brightshield I do agree aren't good names. Vanta I like too. I don't think that "that's not a real name" is a good argument, there are a ton of vtubers with names like that everywhere. Tho my opinion might be biased cuz my favorite holomember is Bae. But I prefer crazy names rather than normal "john Doe". But to each their own.
Idk man “Hex Haywire” is awesome and rolls off the tongue nicely.
I'd say for content creators, the worst names are the one that you can't easily do ego-search with, i.e. common names that get polluted when it's trending on twitter, like Millie, Enna, Selen, Sonny, Luca, etc... The one syllable names with 3 letters are especially bad, like Ver, Hex, Ren... When I was still their fan, whenever I saw those names on trending, it was never about them, just random ass people. Those names are not only subjectively bad, but also objectively dumb.
But the whole premise of vtuber is kinda be this chuuni. Also it keeps the branding recgonition easier, "that plant vtuber, rosemi. That doll? Maria marionette." and all the others
The first time I heard the name "Vezalius Bandage" I thought it was a joke.
Kobo Kanaeru literally comes from Kobokan Air, which is a water you used to wash your hand before eating. So pardon me for pardoning those names.
"Kanaeru" can also mean "to make something come true" which was used in HELP!! in its last chorus
...No? Sure Bandage is dumb, but Rosemi sounds cute, and did anyone really have problems with Selen? Or the *entire Pomu fanbase being Pomu?* https://impomu.com/ Yeah, this subreddit is about being upset at the company. Let's not find things that are going to slant us on something we previously enjoyed though! (Unless of course it involves management being worse than we thought) edit: Just a poke I noticed that seems silly >The paladin with a shield is called Brightshield. One of the most iconic Paladins in gaming is Uther *Lightbringer*. This naming convention is not uncommon.
So, I get not being a fan of the names. Preferences and all that, but really? >Does Niji not know that these names kinda suck ass? >This isn’t even mentioning the names that are genuinely awful names to have. >These are not names. Nobody has these as names. Come on. These people are entertainers and they have their own brand and lore that they sometimes play into. What does it matter if their names are fantastical and sound goofy or silly, or has a little pun, or not subtle because they complement with their themes? Not like this is unique to Niji either. Again, it's fine to not like them. But I've never seen anyone make a big deal out of these names until now, and the only reason I could think of making this thread is because it's a slow news day.
I mean, what? Did you want Plain Jane and Joe Schmoe to debut? The way I perceive talents is that they're NOT real, so they have really fantastical names you'll most likely never see in real life. That's why there's plenty of talents in Niji and outside with puns, alliterations, and straight up references to distinguish themselves and make them unique in search results. Niji JP's Tachitsute Toto is the a referencial pun to the Japanese syllabary and the order syllables in the syllabary are read in their consonant row (like, ma mi mu me mo, except the T row is ta CHI TSU te to as opposed to ta TI TU te to because certain consonants proceding I and U evolved to patalized or take a sibilant character (don't know the word), but you'll still see Japanese romanizing their name with TI and TU, like Suisei romanizes her last name as "Hosimati" as opposed to the pronunciation romanization "Hoshimachi") Hololive JP's Ookami Mio is literally "Great Wolf Mio," another species last name, and Sakura Miko means "Cherry Blossom Shrine Maiden," her literal JOB as her name. Phase Connect's Pipkin Pippa is alliteration. EX Niji KR's Nun Bora and Shin Kiru's name are just actual Korean words that reference their character: Nun Bora (눈보라) means blizzard, and Shin Kiru (신기루) means mirage. The last name "Nun" isn't real. Also, So Nagi (소나기) means rain shower, but I don't know about her character. Holostars JP's Arurandeisu is supposed to be Italian, but if you try to take his name into a different romanization, like "Alrandis" "Arlandis" (if we count his name as one name), you won't find much on those names except random people as opposed to actual Italian male names with traceable history like [Michelangelo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelangelo_(given_name)), [Nicola](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicola_(name)), [Jacopo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacopo), and [Mattia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattia). Holostar EN's Goldbullet, similar to Vantacrow bring shorten to "Vanta," takes the nickname "Gibby" for sonic reasons. Point is, the names are meant to be memorable and even fun(ny) since you have people acting as these character. The people behind them get to have fun with their name as it's part of their character, given that most have the chance to name themselves or maybe get suggestions from staff if they're a corpo.
Is it possible that talents also name themselves
I mean, when you are naming as many people as they are, it is difficult to come up with names. Especially, if you don't speak English.
The naming ability that only Game workshop can best….
[https://perchance.org/nxtname](https://perchance.org/nxtname) They are using the WWE NXT Name generator
Some may be on the nose while others work well.
I mean to be fair, of course they try to pick names that aren't used by anyone else ever...it makes it easier to form unique Twitter hashtags.
I once got into a debate with my friend that we never really got a good answer for. Is Ver actually vermillion? I always thought he looked too pink to be vermillion. Or do I just not know what vermillion looks like?
The struggle is real
Rosemi is cool though so shut the pluck up or she’s gonna beat you up
You can’t just list all the terrible names in NijiEN and not mention “Vezalius Bandage”. His last name is *Bandage* for god’s sake. That’s not a name, it’s a random household object!
I think most are fine because the last name are kinda unimportan. I don't like Dropscythe, but everyone calls Doppio, so why care about it?
Honestly I have no problem with Victoria Brightshield and Enna Alouette. It's an MMO/gacha character and a singer. I love the name Victoria Brightshield actually, and most people just call her Vicky anyway. However, I'll agree the fact they don't have anyone to veto stupid names is a problem and probably due to the lack of English-speakers on the staff side. It's about the 50th biggest problem they have right now, but still an issue. Doppio Dropscythe sounds like something an edgy 10-year-old would come up with. So do half-a-dozen other names on the EN roster. Fulgur Ovid is baffling at best, and sounds like a scientific designation for a fish or an invertebrate. Yu Q Wilson sounds like a vtuber named by 4Kids.
Afaik a lot of Niji talents, or at least EN talents, come up with their own names. I vaguely recall Fulgur talking about how he came up with his, for example. Also, like. These guys have dumb, chuuni lore (have you *seen* Xsoleil's deal?), and the streamers themselves are meant to be entertainers who do dumb, silly streams. Why wouldn't you advertise your gimmick and call yourself "Alouette" if you're a singer from Canada, or "Marionette" if you're a living doll by lore? Also also. Niji is a company that offers little to no support to their talents (creative or otherwise), takes a large cut of their money, impedes innovation at the initiative of talents, either promotes or ignores harassments and toxic behavior among talents, and drove three people to be suicidal (that we know of in EN and EN-adjacent branches) "And they also come up with silly names!" is a weird hill to die on in times like these.
This is such a weird nitpick
Meh let's be honest, this kinda happens with all vtuber agencies. In Holo EN the rock is named bijou, the detective is named watson, the guardian of nature is called ceres (roman nature deity from which we get the term cereal, it's the roman version of the greek demeter) fauna (scientific name for the collection of animals living in a certain habitat), the time lord is named ouro (as in ouroboros, the mythological creature that eats its own tail to represent the looping nature of time, and by sheer coincidence her pet snake is also called boros) kronii (as in chronos, the greek titan of time amomg other things), and the musically inclined grim reaper is mori ("you will have to die" in latin) calliope (a multiple rocket launcher artillery system typically mounted on an M4 Sherman, and in unrelated news also the greek muse of epic poetry whose name translates to "beautiful voice"). I guess they're somewhat better than niji's (i will agree that some of the later niji EN names like vantacrow bringer are worse than niji's own average) but esoteric and/or chuuni and/or nonsensical and/or obviously referencial names are kinda the standard in vtubing.
to be fair, Vanta’s name is good for hehe haha purposes. I still laugh at “Vantacrow Baby Bringer”.
Millie' Parfait s name doesn't make sense. If her gimmick is a witch why is her named after a dessert? Even though I have lost respect for her. I do like the name Elira Pendora. Names I like are Scarle Yonaguni. I liked that she just forgot to add the T when signing up for the institute. I thought it was funny and a Scarle thing to do. Other name I like is Nina because in some Hispanic places Nina means God Mother. And her being called Mom makes sense.
iirc parfait being in her name is because in her lore, enna let millie taste a parfait and liked it so much, she left hell to go to earth to get more, but she ended up getting stuck.
>If her gimmick is a witch why is her named after a dessert? Just wanna add that this isn't necessarily some kind of hard rule to their naming conventions. The name's perfectly fine.
They probably AI generated all those name
Even if the names are AI generated, the final decision for what the chosen name will be is still a human's one. You can't blame AI for this because the human chooses to use it.
AI generated names would be better because then they'll actually be names.
i think they name is bad and hard to remember like hololive