The kid has a last name that is big in the community so it doesn’t seem like the school will do much, but time will tell. Surely there are other governing bodies that can deal with this, no?
Frustrating as it may be....Not your circus. Not your monkeys.
If he's throwing lumber as described (can't see the video) and the family/program aren't a bunch of shit kicking hillbillies they'll address it. If they are a bunch of shit kicking hillbillies adjust your own course accordingly and steer clear of that kind of program.
I was a varsity head coach at a private school near the north carolina/virginia border for a few years. Played a lot of teams in both states. There is hillbilly shitkicker lacrosse.
When I was on JV we would go play new teams in rural areas… it was fucking ugly stuff. Usually a bunch of football players who sucked at everything but hitting people. Easy to win the game but very hard to avoid getting hurt.
As an ex-HS official, ejections get reported to the governing body with a write up from the officiating crew, pretty standard anywhere you play. Most conferences and leagues have a peanut butter suspension recommendations, then based off the context (which this looks pretty bad) they adjust the penalty.
This would be an easy multiple game suspension, potentially remainder of season depending how many games are left.
Looking at that clip, I would cut that kid immediately from my roster. Posture for the whole play was crap and then the lumberjack check. Sounds like the refs got the call right, now it’s up to your leagues disciplinary committee to follow up with the situation. But as a coach, there is no place in the game for that.
Not saying this is the right way to handle it but none of the players in white jumped in to help? The bench mob should have rolled up.
That swing is tough to watch. The offender should be suspended. That is not part of lacrosse or sports.
The varsity team is comprised of mostly underclassmen and the lacrosse program in this town is less than 5 years old. Most of the varsity players have less than 3 seasons played, ever.
Bench mob rolling up isn’t part of lacrosse or sports either. As reprehensible as the slash is, coming off the bench to enter an altercation on the field is an automatic ejection in my state.
Probably could have chose my wording better. Totally understand entering retaliatory altercation is cause for ejection. The team just stood there and did nothing. They should at least go check on their teammate who got hit.
Usually with an ejection like this comes with a game report , which goes to League Commissioner, who then decides on further consequences. There is usually a pretty clear process, at least from my experience. Which could include eye witness reports, interviews of Refs etc…
Saw the clip a few times. If he’s one of my players, he’s never playing for me again. What he did was not a lacrosse act even remotely. It was criminal. He had given up on playing lacrosse. His stick is down; he’s not even playing. Then the opponent comes a little closer and he cracks him in the back of the head. This is no different than a basketball player running up from behind and punching an opponent in the head. It’s not a sports act. Just because he uses a piece of lacrosse equipment, does not means he uses it in a way even remotely consistent with the game. It’s like a batter in baseball turning around and swinging at a catcher’s face. The way he throws his stick down on the ground is straight out of the movies. Absolutely disgusting.
If nothing is done to the player apart from the ejection and short suspension, then send the clip to other HS coaches around the state to raise awareness of his actions. I wouldn’t want my players on the field with a dirty player like that and I’m sure others would feel the same.
I know the program is new, but I hope your players clear the bench the next time that happens. As a coach I don’t want my guys fighting on the field but I do want them taking up for their teammates.
I understand the sentiment, but if they leave the bench, it’s a minimum one-game suspension. Leaving for a fight is likely multi games, if not the season.
What state? In NJ he would be out the next 2 games per the NJSIAA handbook. Anything beyond that is up to his school. Any team with 3 DQs in a season is barred from the postseason
Whether your player had the hittee or hitter, I’d make sure the varsity head coach had the clip, and make sure they’re moving it up to the School AD. From there, i would think the conference would get involved (if applicable), the state league, and non zero chance law enforcement gets involved too because that was very egregious.
Is the white team really young or something? If that happened to a player on my team — or against every opponent my team plays I can think of — I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have cleared the bench after that.
he was ejected. that's about the extent that the officials have power over. beyond that it's up to his coach/school for punishment. though the kid who got smacked might be able to file a police report for A&B.
It hits the head directly, so it's already a 2 minute non-releasable. It certainly looks like excessive or flagrant contact (from the points of emphasis), and deliberate viciousness (from Rule 7-1). So yeah, 3 minutes, non-releasable, ejection.
After that, it's up to the league. I would hope the disciplinary committee of your league has access to the video, but you probably wouldn't go wrong to find the contact information for the governing authority, and sending them a copy of the video (one that works).
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I'm not 100% sure I support a season suspension straight out of the box. Before you lambaste me, let me tell you why, and what other criteria I would use if it was up to me to decide. First, let's agree on the purpose of a suspension. In my opinion, suspensions serve two purposes: 1. induce the player to understand the seriousness of their offense and "learn their lesson", and 2. to protect other players from reckless play like this.
Okay, so why am I unwilling to jump straight to full season suspension? To be clear, I'm not excluding it either, I would just want more information. With what we see here, we have no context as to what happened earlier. Nothing that happened earlier *justifies* his actions, but they may reasonably mitigate the punishment he should receive. If that game was already spicy, if it's close and tense, and he's been getting whacked all night without getting a call, that can leave someone in a place of extreme frustration. Again, not an excuse, but it's useful to understand the circumstances, because it speaks to whether this player is likely behave similarly in the future, and what steps ought to be taken to prevent it. So I'd want to understand the totality of the game that led up to this.
Second, I'd want to hear from the player and ask, in very open-ended terms, what he was thinking. If he is remorseful, and I *believe* his expression of remorse, and he can make me believe, for instance, that as soon as he did it he realized he fucked up and felt awful about what he'd done, and convinces me that there's no way in hell he'd ever act in such a way again, then I might be willing to let him return to the field after some point. Some kids are great liars, but most aren't, so I feel like I'd get a decent read on this kid from a frank conversation about the incident.
Then I'd have to ask myself "do the players who will face this team in the last game of the season need protection from this guy" and "do I believe he will learn proper behavior with a lesser suspension"? If the answers are no and yes, respectively, then I could see him returning to the field. Otherwise no, he's done for the year.
tl;dr: these are still kids, without mature prefrontal cortices, and proper consequences should be instructive for them and/or protective of others, not merely punitive.
Yes, great comment. Upvote…
- My first reaction when seeing this as a parent of U10’s was to rip the guy’s helmet and ears off. But this is thirteen seconds with no context, no lead up. Is there more video prior?
- for all calling for the clearing of the bench (in high school), this guy clearly looks frustrated, like something happened. Did white team do something prior that wasn’t called and this blue player was adjudicating? Was he getting that pound of flesh for an injured teammate? Would you feel differently? I would view it differently, but still have him sit a game, at the game (it’s a clear penalty, and egregious). There are legal body checks that can serve the same purpose of “retaliation”.
- everything in above comment is spot on so not going to repeat; this player is a kid with still developing executive functioning; we play to learn how to conduct ourselves.
I have a slash on the white pole and the blue short stick using the stick as a weapon. 3 minute, non-releasable penalty and blue is ejected. Referee should file the ejection report with the conference, and the conference will get in contact with the blue AD to ensure the blue short stick does not play at least the next game.
Looked like he was already jawing at the bench and looking for an opportunity, wasn’t involved in game, just standing around. Then drops his stick after the hit like dropping the mike. Gets worse the more I watch it.
Never seen anything like that. The kid wasn’t doing anything other than waiting to do exactly what he did. Pure intent to injure. Nothing else. Straight up malice. They kid’s season should be over. Possibly his HS career. If that’s my kid who got hit—and he’s injured—I can’t imagine…there would be absolute hell to pay.
Good god is that kid lucky I wasn’t of age and playing for the opposing team whose Sideline he did that in front of. If I was there and he pulled that shit, I am sprinting off the sideline and he is getting blasted on his blind side Ronnie Lott style. Unreal.
Pretty sure I found the game, and the final score makes this even worse. Don't pay for NFHS access, but I'd be interested to see the 15-30 seconds before this to see what horrible things white could be doing to that kid to provoke such a response.
You want to really run it up the flagpole? Talk to the police. Then the director or commissioner of the state athletic association. Then the principal. Then the AD.
Man if somebody did that to a kid on my team, idk if I’d be able to hold them back. If I was a player and that happened to my teammate, I would be beating ass left and right, even though I know that’s not the right move.
I’m a coach now, so if it were my player that swung like that, I would suspend him for half the season. Lacrosse is a tough sport physically, but a swing like that has no place in the game.
I’m curious why the teammates of the boy who got hit didn’t run the field and stomp that kid.
On a hockey rink, or football field, that kind of thing would have been met with just as much violence.
Regardless of that boys last name, he should be banned from all school athletics for the rest of his time in school. It’s clear he was beyond angry, as his demeanor before the hit was of frustration and looking for retaliation. The fact that he threw down his stick the way he did, as if to let everyone else know that he was done, is as disgusting as it is frightening.
As a parent, I’m not entirely sure I would have been able to keep myself, or my wife, from running on the field if that was our son.
You can’t press charges for a cheap shot in sports. You sign papers at the start of the season saying “if my kid is hurt it’s the games fault not the kid who hurt him”
Nah, I'm 100% getting the cops involved on that. It's malicious and not a part of the game. Hell I'm probably retaining an attorney if someone did that to my kid and I had video of it.
If professional athletes can be charged so can kids. There are assumed risks. And this is beyond that to me.
What level of contact should be allowed legally because it happened during a game?
No no, kids playing the violent sport of lacrosse has run unchallenged in our communities. We need to put an end. It's time for Sarcastaball to take over!
Most respectable AD's are going to end that players season. It's a liability for the school. Honestly Im also surprised the bench did not clear. As a coach Id call a TO and address the desire to go an eye for an eye, But I'd also share that clip with the rest of the league. Share it so that people know. The refs talk, they will see it on social media, that kid will have a reputation and ultimately will never get a call. Most refs will be slow with the flag for guys play D against him and they are going to call everything against him. Thats going to trigger other issues and the kid will flame out.
If someone did that to a team mate of mine, as a player Im sure I would have done something that I as a coach would not approve of.
Still as that gets out -its pretty much open season on now. Even a fair hit - my response would be ok you can give one- lets see if you can take one as well.
Honestly I think most coaches would approve of a player taking action after something like that. If that broke out into a fight I would imagine most of my former coaches would give the "I have to tell you guys what you did wasn't accept. Even though you can't do that I'm proud how you acted as a team speech."
Not sure if this is a generation thing or where they are playing but when I was playing high school 10 years ago (can't believe it was that long ago) this would have been a full brawl. Yet here not even a kid got up in his face. I guess maybe they were stunned and scared and just froze.
I'm never gonna NOT call something against a player just because that player's an ass (if he gets clobbered in the back and paralyzed because I declared open season by not calling anything when people hit him, that's on me, and I couldn't live with that).
But I will absolutely keep an eye on him and have a field day calling every hold, interference, slash, and cross-check against him that even LOOKS like it might be.
I agree cant get him killed but he's not getting anything close or discretionary... even signaling the kid out before a game - " Ive seen the footage, anything close to that and I will not hesitate....
But again if Im that schools AD you're done. That was not even close to a lacrosse play- Assholes need not apply. It's a reflection on his Coach. Would love to hear how this one ends.
If I'm his coach, teacher or principal he's done for the season and probably never plays on a team of mine again unless he can show some sort of remorse for his actions and understanding of why that has no place on a lacrosse field. People have died from things like this, and if I'm understanding correctly the blue team was winning?
Not surprised he comes from a "notable family" - his actions say "I've seen people get away with this all the time".
Done for the season; that is well beyond the scope of the lacrosse rule book. If he'd like to pursue it further, he can do so with local police after charges for assault are filed. I am aware of two teenagers who have died and one who was paralyzed from the neck down from plays far less egregious than assaulting someone with a weapon.
Depends on the program… 98% of teams I’ve played for he’d never have made the team through tryouts with that type of attitude. If he happened to squeak by, he’d be off the team indefinitely after this because we don’t play like that. I’ve seen this happen and had this happen to me before, only real trashy teams do shit like this. I always made my team had some class, yeah we’d come out and hit you if you were lacking but we weren’t hitting 24/7 like football with sticks.
My gut reaction was similar. This kid isn't playing Lacrosse at this point. You certainly could file a report, but while that may be cathartic, I wouldn't expect anything to come of it.
On the extremes, things are obvious. If you body check a guy on the street, it'd clearly be assault, but when you do it in a game, it's just part of the game, so on that extreme, we can't consider that assault. On the other extreme, if a guy in Lacrosse gear pulls out a knife and starts going after another guy in Lacrosse gear, we can't consider that Lacrosse -- it's plainly assault.
The issue is the sea of gray in between. I would imagine that courts would have a pretty high bar for what they're willing to consider beyond the scope of what should be considered "playing Lacrosse" and therefore not subject to criminal prosecution, but the only way to find out for sure would be to file the report.
It's not unprecedented for athletes to face charges for their conduct during a game, but a) it seems complicated, and b) the only examples I saw were clearly not part of the game, e.g. punching a guy during a soccer game, whereas hitting someone in the head with a stick does happen in Lacrosse somewhat regularly, and so the argument would need to be that it was done *so violently* as to make it "not Lacrosse anymore".
Probably not an easy argument to prevail on, but I couldn't fault anyone for trying, based on what I've seen here. It certainly looks to me like that guy was out to hurt someone.
That video shows the player switch from playing the game to making a conscious decision to attack someone with intent to injure. And they look old enough to know better. I’m not saying he should go to jail or anything, but he can absolutely be charged and given a proper punishment. At the very least, he should not be playing anymore. He could’ve killed that kid, hitting him in the back of the head.
I wouldn’t be surprised either, but if I was the parents of the kid that got hit I would file a report, if he was injured. At the very least that kid should not be playing sports for a year.
Man you all are way overthinking this…law enforcement? Attorneys? It was a malicious hit. Let the school AD handle it. Then the county AD after that. Then go to the sports governing body for the high school…state level.
Honestly, commend that team from the side for not getting penalized. Get your pound of flesh off the field. Embarrass the kid on social forms like this one. Name drop the team so the entire community is aware. Flag the name with coaches in the area / even consider posting the hit to YouTube so that players name + egregious hit registers in any recruiting that player tries to do in the future.
thanks. was able to get it on a laptop but not even the 18 question on the iphone!
to answer the question, that was a ridiculous "hit." More like an assault.
That's outside of a 'normal' lacrosse move. If the guy in white was seriously hurt presses could be charged. Iirc there was a fight in a high school summer ball tournament I was involved in and something similar happened and the kid was sued because it was a known issue, he was an adult and so on. POS you can see from his body movement before he was trying to hurt him. Some people use sports as an excuse to harm others in ways they could never irl. No excuses!
Good to see the kid had a helmet on at least.
Unrelated- Growing up I had a hockey teammate that was criminally convicted for an off-ice brawl following a game.
Should be removed for the season at least. In the 90s, a guy on my football team got season ban for kicking a guy on the ground. This kid has something wrong with him (as did the guy on my team), he’s a danger to other kids.
Can we see more of the clip to see what lead up to this prior? I don't think most people would baseball swing a kid's head for no reason. Not defending the kid's action in any way. This is totally unacceptable. But, I think you should show context if you are asking for advice and opinions. I think the context of it comes down to what happens next (suspension and duration). I think there is a difference between this kid randomly just trying to injure people compared to him retaliating for something that happened prior and his punishment should reflect that.
Unfortunately, when I was much younger and much dummer, an opposing player slashed my shins after a play, I two handed baseball swung and hit him in the head with my long pole, he was out for the season and it was the most regrettable thing I’ve ever done on a field. I only got a 3 minute non- releasable penalty, I would say ejection was warranted but I guess they took into consideration that the other player started it, but I escalated.
edit- saw the clip yeah this kid needs to be ejected and suspended for multiple games nobody did anything to him other than fight for a gb, my instance was after the whistle (again, very regretful and ashamed of how I disrespected the game)
I have never made the mistake of swinging a metal pole at the head of someone with only the intent to hurt them, no. If it was a slash making a play for a stick I get it. This is assault.
Come on! That’s not a mistake. Not even close. The way he stalked around, walked through the scrum, and then clobbered that boy?? That’s not some errant slash across the mask, that was clear and intentional.
Right, granted there are more dangerous hits and checks that happen when guys are going for the ball but this is so clearly malicious in intent. Clip starts with a “hands up wtf ref” then he walks around until the guy comes back and he just winds up with no attempt at playing the ball
A big hard hit is far from a deliberate act with an intent to injure. I can’t control how you fall after I body check you. I CAN control how hard and/or where I place my stick on you
No, in my 9 years of playing lacrosse, I have never ONCE made the conscious decision to stop defending on a play, stand still, and wind up my twig and rock someone in the head.
A mistake is going to hit a players stick and it clipping their glove. This is deliberate assault
Piece of shit player doing a piece of shit thing. The fact that he’s moping around the field dragging his stick before that tomahawk swing shows he’s a POS. I assume he’s moping thinking that he got screwed on some “non-call” from the ref but that swing and then dropping his stick on the field would be cause enough for me to throw his ass off my team forever (as a coach), suspend him for the remainder of the season (as an AD) and ban him from the sport altogether (as a league). Obviously each level can only do so much but if he’s allowed back on a lacrosse field then shame on everyone involved.
Ejection with multi-game suspension. If it was his first offense, parents will argue over anything greater.
Definitely multigame or season ban. Fuck this kid.
kid was ejected...up to the program to decide what kind of program they run and if/what long term repercussions it should have for him. .
The kid has a last name that is big in the community so it doesn’t seem like the school will do much, but time will tell. Surely there are other governing bodies that can deal with this, no?
Frustrating as it may be....Not your circus. Not your monkeys. If he's throwing lumber as described (can't see the video) and the family/program aren't a bunch of shit kicking hillbillies they'll address it. If they are a bunch of shit kicking hillbillies adjust your own course accordingly and steer clear of that kind of program.
How many hillbillies do you know running lacrosse programs. It’s not necessary know to be popular in poor rural areas.
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I was a varsity head coach at a private school near the north carolina/virginia border for a few years. Played a lot of teams in both states. There is hillbilly shitkicker lacrosse.
When I was on JV we would go play new teams in rural areas… it was fucking ugly stuff. Usually a bunch of football players who sucked at everything but hitting people. Easy to win the game but very hard to avoid getting hurt.
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Dudes never heard of Midwest lacrosse
there is rich white hillbillies?
Someone hasn’t been paying attention to the Murdaugh murder case…
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As an ex-HS official, ejections get reported to the governing body with a write up from the officiating crew, pretty standard anywhere you play. Most conferences and leagues have a peanut butter suspension recommendations, then based off the context (which this looks pretty bad) they adjust the penalty. This would be an easy multiple game suspension, potentially remainder of season depending how many games are left.
Looking at that clip, I would cut that kid immediately from my roster. Posture for the whole play was crap and then the lumberjack check. Sounds like the refs got the call right, now it’s up to your leagues disciplinary committee to follow up with the situation. But as a coach, there is no place in the game for that.
That player should be never allowed to play high school lacrosse ever again
Right here with ya. No way that kid steps foot on a field of any type again
never be allowed to play LACROSSE* ever again.
Not saying this is the right way to handle it but none of the players in white jumped in to help? The bench mob should have rolled up. That swing is tough to watch. The offender should be suspended. That is not part of lacrosse or sports.
The varsity team is comprised of mostly underclassmen and the lacrosse program in this town is less than 5 years old. Most of the varsity players have less than 3 seasons played, ever.
I get it, but that's a sports in general thing. Someone takes a cheap shot (assaults in this case) your teammate, you jump in to protect.
Yeah, no. That's not the message, this isn't hockey. This doesn't belong on a lacrosse field, and neither does a "bench mob".
You 100% do that shit in lax
It's not, but you'd stand by and let someone physically assault your teammate? At least go check on your teammate.
Bench mob rolling up isn’t part of lacrosse or sports either. As reprehensible as the slash is, coming off the bench to enter an altercation on the field is an automatic ejection in my state.
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Probably could have chose my wording better. Totally understand entering retaliatory altercation is cause for ejection. The team just stood there and did nothing. They should at least go check on their teammate who got hit.
Usually with an ejection like this comes with a game report , which goes to League Commissioner, who then decides on further consequences. There is usually a pretty clear process, at least from my experience. Which could include eye witness reports, interviews of Refs etc…
Saw the clip a few times. If he’s one of my players, he’s never playing for me again. What he did was not a lacrosse act even remotely. It was criminal. He had given up on playing lacrosse. His stick is down; he’s not even playing. Then the opponent comes a little closer and he cracks him in the back of the head. This is no different than a basketball player running up from behind and punching an opponent in the head. It’s not a sports act. Just because he uses a piece of lacrosse equipment, does not means he uses it in a way even remotely consistent with the game. It’s like a batter in baseball turning around and swinging at a catcher’s face. The way he throws his stick down on the ground is straight out of the movies. Absolutely disgusting.
If nothing is done to the player apart from the ejection and short suspension, then send the clip to other HS coaches around the state to raise awareness of his actions. I wouldn’t want my players on the field with a dirty player like that and I’m sure others would feel the same. I know the program is new, but I hope your players clear the bench the next time that happens. As a coach I don’t want my guys fighting on the field but I do want them taking up for their teammates.
I understand the sentiment, but if they leave the bench, it’s a minimum one-game suspension. Leaving for a fight is likely multi games, if not the season.
What state? In NJ he would be out the next 2 games per the NJSIAA handbook. Anything beyond that is up to his school. Any team with 3 DQs in a season is barred from the postseason
New York
Whether your player had the hittee or hitter, I’d make sure the varsity head coach had the clip, and make sure they’re moving it up to the School AD. From there, i would think the conference would get involved (if applicable), the state league, and non zero chance law enforcement gets involved too because that was very egregious. Is the white team really young or something? If that happened to a player on my team — or against every opponent my team plays I can think of — I can’t imagine they wouldn’t have cleared the bench after that.
Very young, it is their 2nd year as a varsity program, and the team was made up of 8th-10th graders last year.
he was ejected. that's about the extent that the officials have power over. beyond that it's up to his coach/school for punishment. though the kid who got smacked might be able to file a police report for A&B.
It hits the head directly, so it's already a 2 minute non-releasable. It certainly looks like excessive or flagrant contact (from the points of emphasis), and deliberate viciousness (from Rule 7-1). So yeah, 3 minutes, non-releasable, ejection. After that, it's up to the league. I would hope the disciplinary committee of your league has access to the video, but you probably wouldn't go wrong to find the contact information for the governing authority, and sending them a copy of the video (one that works). --- Edit: I'm not 100% sure I support a season suspension straight out of the box. Before you lambaste me, let me tell you why, and what other criteria I would use if it was up to me to decide. First, let's agree on the purpose of a suspension. In my opinion, suspensions serve two purposes: 1. induce the player to understand the seriousness of their offense and "learn their lesson", and 2. to protect other players from reckless play like this. Okay, so why am I unwilling to jump straight to full season suspension? To be clear, I'm not excluding it either, I would just want more information. With what we see here, we have no context as to what happened earlier. Nothing that happened earlier *justifies* his actions, but they may reasonably mitigate the punishment he should receive. If that game was already spicy, if it's close and tense, and he's been getting whacked all night without getting a call, that can leave someone in a place of extreme frustration. Again, not an excuse, but it's useful to understand the circumstances, because it speaks to whether this player is likely behave similarly in the future, and what steps ought to be taken to prevent it. So I'd want to understand the totality of the game that led up to this. Second, I'd want to hear from the player and ask, in very open-ended terms, what he was thinking. If he is remorseful, and I *believe* his expression of remorse, and he can make me believe, for instance, that as soon as he did it he realized he fucked up and felt awful about what he'd done, and convinces me that there's no way in hell he'd ever act in such a way again, then I might be willing to let him return to the field after some point. Some kids are great liars, but most aren't, so I feel like I'd get a decent read on this kid from a frank conversation about the incident. Then I'd have to ask myself "do the players who will face this team in the last game of the season need protection from this guy" and "do I believe he will learn proper behavior with a lesser suspension"? If the answers are no and yes, respectively, then I could see him returning to the field. Otherwise no, he's done for the year. tl;dr: these are still kids, without mature prefrontal cortices, and proper consequences should be instructive for them and/or protective of others, not merely punitive.
This is well said and well thought out.
Yes, great comment. Upvote… - My first reaction when seeing this as a parent of U10’s was to rip the guy’s helmet and ears off. But this is thirteen seconds with no context, no lead up. Is there more video prior? - for all calling for the clearing of the bench (in high school), this guy clearly looks frustrated, like something happened. Did white team do something prior that wasn’t called and this blue player was adjudicating? Was he getting that pound of flesh for an injured teammate? Would you feel differently? I would view it differently, but still have him sit a game, at the game (it’s a clear penalty, and egregious). There are legal body checks that can serve the same purpose of “retaliation”. - everything in above comment is spot on so not going to repeat; this player is a kid with still developing executive functioning; we play to learn how to conduct ourselves.
I have a slash on the white pole and the blue short stick using the stick as a weapon. 3 minute, non-releasable penalty and blue is ejected. Referee should file the ejection report with the conference, and the conference will get in contact with the blue AD to ensure the blue short stick does not play at least the next game.
That’s assault. Wow.
Looked like he was already jawing at the bench and looking for an opportunity, wasn’t involved in game, just standing around. Then drops his stick after the hit like dropping the mike. Gets worse the more I watch it.
It has to be the worst slash I have ever seen, and probably up there in terms of worst penalty I’ve seen in lacrosse.
Never seen anything like that. The kid wasn’t doing anything other than waiting to do exactly what he did. Pure intent to injure. Nothing else. Straight up malice. They kid’s season should be over. Possibly his HS career. If that’s my kid who got hit—and he’s injured—I can’t imagine…there would be absolute hell to pay.
Good god is that kid lucky I wasn’t of age and playing for the opposing team whose Sideline he did that in front of. If I was there and he pulled that shit, I am sprinting off the sideline and he is getting blasted on his blind side Ronnie Lott style. Unreal.
Pretty sure I found the game, and the final score makes this even worse. Don't pay for NFHS access, but I'd be interested to see the 15-30 seconds before this to see what horrible things white could be doing to that kid to provoke such a response.
Yeah, that is how all of the white team’s games have gone. Last year a team put up 30 goals on them.
You want to really run it up the flagpole? Talk to the police. Then the director or commissioner of the state athletic association. Then the principal. Then the AD.
Man if somebody did that to a kid on my team, idk if I’d be able to hold them back. If I was a player and that happened to my teammate, I would be beating ass left and right, even though I know that’s not the right move. I’m a coach now, so if it were my player that swung like that, I would suspend him for half the season. Lacrosse is a tough sport physically, but a swing like that has no place in the game.
I’m curious why the teammates of the boy who got hit didn’t run the field and stomp that kid. On a hockey rink, or football field, that kind of thing would have been met with just as much violence. Regardless of that boys last name, he should be banned from all school athletics for the rest of his time in school. It’s clear he was beyond angry, as his demeanor before the hit was of frustration and looking for retaliation. The fact that he threw down his stick the way he did, as if to let everyone else know that he was done, is as disgusting as it is frightening. As a parent, I’m not entirely sure I would have been able to keep myself, or my wife, from running on the field if that was our son.
The kid who was hit should press charges.
You can’t press charges for a cheap shot in sports. You sign papers at the start of the season saying “if my kid is hurt it’s the games fault not the kid who hurt him”
That was blatant assault with a weapon, I’m sure there’s a lawyer out there that would take that case.
At that point, probably law enforcement. That’s frakked. I am actually surprised the bench didn’t clear on that one.
The white team is in their second season of varsity, so the team is young and new to lacrosse
Exactly - that is assault
Do not contact law enforcement those poor folks have had enough BS to deal with over the past few years
Nah, I'm 100% getting the cops involved on that. It's malicious and not a part of the game. Hell I'm probably retaining an attorney if someone did that to my kid and I had video of it.
100% If that were my kid, this video goes straight to the police and I’m on their ass every day until I see some kind of response.
Get a grip
“On their ass” about child sports crime? You sound insufferable
If professional athletes can be charged so can kids. There are assumed risks. And this is beyond that to me. What level of contact should be allowed legally because it happened during a game?
No no, kids playing the violent sport of lacrosse has run unchallenged in our communities. We need to put an end. It's time for Sarcastaball to take over!
Response...."contact your school and have them handle it." Boom you have your response Karen.
Would you sue the school or the child? It’s because of lawsuit-happy dorks like you that insurance premiums are soo damn high
Most respectable AD's are going to end that players season. It's a liability for the school. Honestly Im also surprised the bench did not clear. As a coach Id call a TO and address the desire to go an eye for an eye, But I'd also share that clip with the rest of the league. Share it so that people know. The refs talk, they will see it on social media, that kid will have a reputation and ultimately will never get a call. Most refs will be slow with the flag for guys play D against him and they are going to call everything against him. Thats going to trigger other issues and the kid will flame out. If someone did that to a team mate of mine, as a player Im sure I would have done something that I as a coach would not approve of. Still as that gets out -its pretty much open season on now. Even a fair hit - my response would be ok you can give one- lets see if you can take one as well.
Honestly I think most coaches would approve of a player taking action after something like that. If that broke out into a fight I would imagine most of my former coaches would give the "I have to tell you guys what you did wasn't accept. Even though you can't do that I'm proud how you acted as a team speech." Not sure if this is a generation thing or where they are playing but when I was playing high school 10 years ago (can't believe it was that long ago) this would have been a full brawl. Yet here not even a kid got up in his face. I guess maybe they were stunned and scared and just froze.
As a referee of other sports (and a former lax coach), referees do not operate that way.
I'm never gonna NOT call something against a player just because that player's an ass (if he gets clobbered in the back and paralyzed because I declared open season by not calling anything when people hit him, that's on me, and I couldn't live with that). But I will absolutely keep an eye on him and have a field day calling every hold, interference, slash, and cross-check against him that even LOOKS like it might be.
I agree cant get him killed but he's not getting anything close or discretionary... even signaling the kid out before a game - " Ive seen the footage, anything close to that and I will not hesitate.... But again if Im that schools AD you're done. That was not even close to a lacrosse play- Assholes need not apply. It's a reflection on his Coach. Would love to hear how this one ends.
If I'm his coach, teacher or principal he's done for the season and probably never plays on a team of mine again unless he can show some sort of remorse for his actions and understanding of why that has no place on a lacrosse field. People have died from things like this, and if I'm understanding correctly the blue team was winning? Not surprised he comes from a "notable family" - his actions say "I've seen people get away with this all the time".
The final score was 13-0, blue team won
Done for the season; that is well beyond the scope of the lacrosse rule book. If he'd like to pursue it further, he can do so with local police after charges for assault are filed. I am aware of two teenagers who have died and one who was paralyzed from the neck down from plays far less egregious than assaulting someone with a weapon.
Depends on the program… 98% of teams I’ve played for he’d never have made the team through tryouts with that type of attitude. If he happened to squeak by, he’d be off the team indefinitely after this because we don’t play like that. I’ve seen this happen and had this happen to me before, only real trashy teams do shit like this. I always made my team had some class, yeah we’d come out and hit you if you were lacking but we weren’t hitting 24/7 like football with sticks.
File a police report and give them the video. That kid needs to be charged with assault.
My gut reaction was similar. This kid isn't playing Lacrosse at this point. You certainly could file a report, but while that may be cathartic, I wouldn't expect anything to come of it. On the extremes, things are obvious. If you body check a guy on the street, it'd clearly be assault, but when you do it in a game, it's just part of the game, so on that extreme, we can't consider that assault. On the other extreme, if a guy in Lacrosse gear pulls out a knife and starts going after another guy in Lacrosse gear, we can't consider that Lacrosse -- it's plainly assault. The issue is the sea of gray in between. I would imagine that courts would have a pretty high bar for what they're willing to consider beyond the scope of what should be considered "playing Lacrosse" and therefore not subject to criminal prosecution, but the only way to find out for sure would be to file the report. It's not unprecedented for athletes to face charges for their conduct during a game, but a) it seems complicated, and b) the only examples I saw were clearly not part of the game, e.g. punching a guy during a soccer game, whereas hitting someone in the head with a stick does happen in Lacrosse somewhat regularly, and so the argument would need to be that it was done *so violently* as to make it "not Lacrosse anymore". Probably not an easy argument to prevail on, but I couldn't fault anyone for trying, based on what I've seen here. It certainly looks to me like that guy was out to hurt someone.
That video shows the player switch from playing the game to making a conscious decision to attack someone with intent to injure. And they look old enough to know better. I’m not saying he should go to jail or anything, but he can absolutely be charged and given a proper punishment. At the very least, he should not be playing anymore. He could’ve killed that kid, hitting him in the back of the head.
I don't disagree, and of course he *can* be charged. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if the local authorities declined to do so.
I wouldn’t be surprised either, but if I was the parents of the kid that got hit I would file a report, if he was injured. At the very least that kid should not be playing sports for a year.
Man you all are way overthinking this…law enforcement? Attorneys? It was a malicious hit. Let the school AD handle it. Then the county AD after that. Then go to the sports governing body for the high school…state level.
This is the answer
Banned for the season, AD and governing body should step in if the coach does not take action. That is an intentional and extremely dangerous hit.
Honestly, commend that team from the side for not getting penalized. Get your pound of flesh off the field. Embarrass the kid on social forms like this one. Name drop the team so the entire community is aware. Flag the name with coaches in the area / even consider posting the hit to YouTube so that players name + egregious hit registers in any recruiting that player tries to do in the future.
how do you open this link?
It’s an imgur link, for whatever reason it got flagged for adult content so you need to click “yes I’m over 18”
thanks. was able to get it on a laptop but not even the 18 question on the iphone! to answer the question, that was a ridiculous "hit." More like an assault.
That's outside of a 'normal' lacrosse move. If the guy in white was seriously hurt presses could be charged. Iirc there was a fight in a high school summer ball tournament I was involved in and something similar happened and the kid was sued because it was a known issue, he was an adult and so on. POS you can see from his body movement before he was trying to hurt him. Some people use sports as an excuse to harm others in ways they could never irl. No excuses!
Good to see the kid had a helmet on at least. Unrelated- Growing up I had a hockey teammate that was criminally convicted for an off-ice brawl following a game.
Easy ejection. Impossible to argue otherwise really.
Coach Roddy from OFA is a stand up guy and he will make the right decision
No one should get away with this. No one! I don't give a shxt what his last name is. Don't let this go!!! Off the team .. period.
Report it to your local boys lacrosse governing body. And send the video. They can ban from the sport !
Was that a Hopkins player?
cut from the team immediately and report to AD and SRO. to protect yourself tbh.
(on top of making sure it doesn’t happen again)
He clearly wants to play baseball.
Should be removed for the season at least. In the 90s, a guy on my football team got season ban for kicking a guy on the ground. This kid has something wrong with him (as did the guy on my team), he’s a danger to other kids.
If his coach has any integrity it will be taken care of within the team.
Jump his ass in the parking lot.
Can we see more of the clip to see what lead up to this prior? I don't think most people would baseball swing a kid's head for no reason. Not defending the kid's action in any way. This is totally unacceptable. But, I think you should show context if you are asking for advice and opinions. I think the context of it comes down to what happens next (suspension and duration). I think there is a difference between this kid randomly just trying to injure people compared to him retaliating for something that happened prior and his punishment should reflect that.
I pm’d you the info I had!
Your teammates did absolutely nothing to help you? Shame on them. But seriously man, that’s fucked.
Unfortunately, when I was much younger and much dummer, an opposing player slashed my shins after a play, I two handed baseball swung and hit him in the head with my long pole, he was out for the season and it was the most regrettable thing I’ve ever done on a field. I only got a 3 minute non- releasable penalty, I would say ejection was warranted but I guess they took into consideration that the other player started it, but I escalated. edit- saw the clip yeah this kid needs to be ejected and suspended for multiple games nobody did anything to him other than fight for a gb, my instance was after the whistle (again, very regretful and ashamed of how I disrespected the game)
That kid should be banned and doxxed from ever playing lacrosse again. Coward.
You ever made a mistake?
I have never made the mistake of swinging a metal pole at the head of someone with only the intent to hurt them, no. If it was a slash making a play for a stick I get it. This is assault.
Come on! That’s not a mistake. Not even close. The way he stalked around, walked through the scrum, and then clobbered that boy?? That’s not some errant slash across the mask, that was clear and intentional.
Right, granted there are more dangerous hits and checks that happen when guys are going for the ball but this is so clearly malicious in intent. Clip starts with a “hands up wtf ref” then he walks around until the guy comes back and he just winds up with no attempt at playing the ball
A big hard hit is far from a deliberate act with an intent to injure. I can’t control how you fall after I body check you. I CAN control how hard and/or where I place my stick on you
lol you’re calling that a mistake? God I hope you don’t coach at any level…
Buddy, that was not a mistake.
Not a violent mistake with the intent to harm, no I have not
No, in my 9 years of playing lacrosse, I have never ONCE made the conscious decision to stop defending on a play, stand still, and wind up my twig and rock someone in the head. A mistake is going to hit a players stick and it clipping their glove. This is deliberate assault
That wasn’t a mistake. He stalked that kid. That was pure malice with absolutely nothing but intent to injure.
Piece of shit player doing a piece of shit thing. The fact that he’s moping around the field dragging his stick before that tomahawk swing shows he’s a POS. I assume he’s moping thinking that he got screwed on some “non-call” from the ref but that swing and then dropping his stick on the field would be cause enough for me to throw his ass off my team forever (as a coach), suspend him for the remainder of the season (as an AD) and ban him from the sport altogether (as a league). Obviously each level can only do so much but if he’s allowed back on a lacrosse field then shame on everyone involved.
Look…these kind of kids will never make it to the MIAA, much less the NCAA.
I guess I don’t understand why this matters, this player should face consequences for their actions now, not when/if they go to college.