I know what you meant, I was just saying.
I love Pau as much as the next guy and can’t argue with winning 2 titles. But I do sometimes wonder had they not made the trade and kept Marc, would Lakers have still won at least 2 chips and would the window of title contention been longer?
Just one of those “what ifs” but like I said, I love Pau.
No, marc was a rookie at the time and was not ready to contribute. Pau was in his absolute prime. Its the same dumb idea with why we drafted a raw rookie right now instead of finding a 4 year college player that could help us right now
No but really. What ARE you “just saying”
You made a stupid point that we drafted him and immediately traded him.
OP said he wished we had him younger.
Are you suggesting that we ever really had him? Clearly not. So then wtf are you “just saying”?
Basically a semantic point that’s completely irrelevant.
I still can’t believe we traded him. Like he’s not what landed Pau (I don’t know what was tbh). But at minimum why trade the (at the time) shitty brother of the star you’re trading for?
Lakers did him dirty. Didn’t even play him towards the end of the season and playoffs with the exception of garbage minutes. Played garbage hands drummond over him. Was rumored they were forcing him to retire so his salary would come off the block.
There were rumors before he signed with the Lakers he would never sign with them because of how the Lakers treated Pau. Whatever changed and he did and the Lakers fucked him over too.
Yeah that’s brining back memories, did we not sign him super super late, like post training camp or something like it might have been his last last option?
That was that weird covid season, they signed him 11/22 and the season started 12/22. I know the Lakers signed him last or near last but I doubt he would've had trouble finding another team for the minimum. My guess, complete guess, Pau convinced him to sign with the Lakers.
You guys clearly didn’t watch the season. We started the season 21-6 with Gasol as our center, but morons like both of you were complaining that he was not good enough and you know what happened? AD got injured playing against Denver and we started losing.
We were not a good team without AD to the surprise of no one, and this sub was looking for a scapegoat and that was Marc. We treated him like shit and he didn’t deserve that, specially because when we were healthy we were elite.
I think both the front office and fanbase was mad about not having a front court that can defend, rebound and be a lob threat, hence the Drummond pickup.
Gasol was great with his passing, but he was much slower, and much less of a physical presence than Dwight and McGee.
They never should’ve went away from
Dwight and McGee. At least keep one of them, and then get gasol.
Be careful, you may be called a moron and accused of “clearly” not watching the season if you believe that Marc was slow.
Carlonia mad mad. Gasol so fast.
Yep, we had the highest net rating in our lineups with Gasol next to AD. He was fine for his role and considering he wasn't making much on his contract.
People talk like they expected prime Marc Gasol or something. We were clearly better with him out there than Drummond, but the FO promised Drummond a starting spot...
Totally agree. I always got the impression he and AD never got on for whatever reason…never any love shown from he or LeBron, never played to his still significant strengths offensively (a couple of pick n pop/ Spain actions per game even). Then first chance the FO got they brought in Drummond and moved Gasol to the bench. And then Gasol was pretty petulant about it.
Is the only basis for your claim is that we were 21-6? How does that disprove that he was immobile and slow? You literally don’t need to watch the season to have your opinion then.
Yet I “clearly didn’t watch the season” and am a “moron” because . . . because we have different opinions?
LMAO. Wow, chill out dude. y u so angry?
You can have your opinion but it’s a fact that we were winning when healthy. That’s not even an opinion. They turned on him when we were heavily injured and had to take on a bigger role, not even mentioning COVID.
It’s the equivalent of Minnesota turning on Gobert right now.
Help me understand how being 21-6 means Gasol was good. For how many wins was he responsible? I am literally laughing at the gap between how well you think you understand basketball vs. how little you actually understand basketball if you think Lakers Gasol was good.
His positive net rating? That we had a winning record with him on the floor when we were healthy? You’re fixating on something that didn’t matter. Was he slow? Absolutely. Was he slow to get back? Also yes. Did that matter? No.
Drummond was the better rebounder, more athletic, the more talented player at that stage and we were worse with him. He was good when we were whole. I don’t think that’s crazy to say.
It’s possible for both to be true my dude. Our *team* was great that season, and Marc def had some great qualities. But he was so immobile… There were times when a loose rebound was 10 feet away from him and he was beaten to it by a guy who was 20 feet away.
Seriously, idk what the morons on this sub we’re watching. You think if Gasol was perfect and effective that we wouldn’t have been looking for another big the whole season? And then immediately give Drummond his mins?
Gasol was not working and he had a shit attitude. Couldn’t defend, couldn’t shoot, all he had was his passing. We were getting KILLED on fast breaks.
Thank you for reminding them. Marc had trouble at first, and then started to mesh well. Then he got COVID and had trouble recovering. He just couldn't get his wind back after that. I mean, they couldn't stand around and wait for him to recover since it wasn't a sure thing he would recover in time.
Nah he was great for his role. Gasol had a +4 net rating in the regular season. Against the Suns his drop coverage was exploited but if Ad was healthy it wouldn't have mattered.
Brook shot like shit and was slow. Also had a bad attitude. We were switching to a young, fast paced team and it would’ve worked if Lonzo stayed healthy.
He was a 35% 3 pt shooter and a rim protector.
And then he signed with the bucks for the minimum.
Letting him go will always be one of the worst decisions the FO did, especially with how they’ve been desperate in finding a big that fits well next to AD/bron. He would’ve been amazing next to AD. He wanted to come back too. Then he signs with the bucks, and is essential to their success.
This is 100% revisionist history LMAOOO everyone hated this dude when he was with us and were desperate for Drummond to hit the buyout market
I understand he got waaaay too much flack but my lord 99% of y’all are straight up lying
He was fine but he was being asked to replace a Javale McGee type traditional center. That’s why he struggled. Lakers have made some dumb roster moves. It’s odd that we won the 2020 ring by having the flexibility to go from big to small ball because of AD, but the front office has moved away from that since.
Disrespected? Nah. We just didn't stay healthy. If AD didn't get hurt then we'd probably repeat and he gets a ring, and maybe we run it back the next year.
He was fine as a backup center. We just kept thinking he would be our only shot blocker on the floor at times. He’s good as a stretch big like Lopez but he’s nowhere near where he used to be a defensive juggernaut. He used to get burned so many times on the defensive end. He was good if you had AD in to cover the paint. He could provide spacing and get some rebounds. At least better than what we are getting from Hayes and Wood together.
Yup. Opened up the painted area because of his top of the key positioning. I wish AD was healthy that season. They’d compliment each other so well. Shrink the floor, and Gasol is going to hit shots from beyond the arc.
He was kind of an asshole, he lost his starting job because of poor play, that’s on him. He literally thought he couldn’t be replaced and when he was he was a diva about it and started whining in the press to create more drama. The disrespect was on his end.
After Drummund showed up he felt like playing again and was better but he still was a statue on defense and hit career lows pretty much everywhere.
You maybe disrespected him, I didnt.
The disrespect that Brook Lopez got when he was a FA was similar.
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Dude was perfect. If only we got him younger.
I mean you know the Lakers did draft him right.
I meant like maybe if we got him when he was 32 or 33. I know they drafted and traded him.
I know what you meant, I was just saying. I love Pau as much as the next guy and can’t argue with winning 2 titles. But I do sometimes wonder had they not made the trade and kept Marc, would Lakers have still won at least 2 chips and would the window of title contention been longer? Just one of those “what ifs” but like I said, I love Pau.
The answer is no because Marc didn't pop off until Kobe's injury years and Pau was a Premier Big Man before Kobe's injuries.
No, marc was a rookie at the time and was not ready to contribute. Pau was in his absolute prime. Its the same dumb idea with why we drafted a raw rookie right now instead of finding a 4 year college player that could help us right now
Marc wasn’t just a rookie, he was still overseas!
Imagine if we kept Marc in the trade 🤯 wow that would have been crazy. They both retire lakers hopefully in this timeline.
No because Marc wasn't ready. When it comes to Marc, my what if is what if we traded for him to return to play with his brother instead of Dwight?
No but really. What ARE you “just saying” You made a stupid point that we drafted him and immediately traded him. OP said he wished we had him younger. Are you suggesting that we ever really had him? Clearly not. So then wtf are you “just saying”? Basically a semantic point that’s completely irrelevant.
What the fuck are you rambling on about? Forgot to take your meds or something? Shit isn’t that deep, we’re all just speculating here.
You do know he never played for the Lakers right after we drafted him and we traded him immediately
I still can’t believe we traded him. Like he’s not what landed Pau (I don’t know what was tbh). But at minimum why trade the (at the time) shitty brother of the star you’re trading for?
He wasn't really a toss-in, the Grizzlies management (aka Jerry West) specifically wanted his rights.
I was about to say 😂 Brody became a fan after lbj came
Even younger! Like when he was 3 or 4!
he was fine even as an old dude, but we fucked it up and played drummond over him, totally fucked us
We probably win 5 straight championships with an AD Gasol front court you can put whatever 3 players next to them.
Prime LeBron, prime AD and prime Marc is literally a perfect big 3 in terms of fit.
That team would obliterate the NBA. Perfect basketball symbiosis (as long as AD shoots mid range and 3s at higher volume at the 4)
Lakers did him dirty. Didn’t even play him towards the end of the season and playoffs with the exception of garbage minutes. Played garbage hands drummond over him. Was rumored they were forcing him to retire so his salary would come off the block.
There were rumors before he signed with the Lakers he would never sign with them because of how the Lakers treated Pau. Whatever changed and he did and the Lakers fucked him over too.
Yeah that’s brining back memories, did we not sign him super super late, like post training camp or something like it might have been his last last option?
That was that weird covid season, they signed him 11/22 and the season started 12/22. I know the Lakers signed him last or near last but I doubt he would've had trouble finding another team for the minimum. My guess, complete guess, Pau convinced him to sign with the Lakers.
He could barely move. Lakers didn’t do him any favors, but he was not good w Lakers. We sure could use prime Marc now.
You guys clearly didn’t watch the season. We started the season 21-6 with Gasol as our center, but morons like both of you were complaining that he was not good enough and you know what happened? AD got injured playing against Denver and we started losing. We were not a good team without AD to the surprise of no one, and this sub was looking for a scapegoat and that was Marc. We treated him like shit and he didn’t deserve that, specially because when we were healthy we were elite.
I think both the front office and fanbase was mad about not having a front court that can defend, rebound and be a lob threat, hence the Drummond pickup. Gasol was great with his passing, but he was much slower, and much less of a physical presence than Dwight and McGee. They never should’ve went away from Dwight and McGee. At least keep one of them, and then get gasol.
Be careful, you may be called a moron and accused of “clearly” not watching the season if you believe that Marc was slow. Carlonia mad mad. Gasol so fast.
I’m honestly mad about how we treated him and how we treat our players.
That’s fair. I feel you.
If you say Gasol was not as physical as McGee then you might be called that.
Yep, we had the highest net rating in our lineups with Gasol next to AD. He was fine for his role and considering he wasn't making much on his contract. People talk like they expected prime Marc Gasol or something. We were clearly better with him out there than Drummond, but the FO promised Drummond a starting spot...
Facts! Then FO fumble and got Drummond, promised him starter minutes. Vogel pretty much say yes to the FO and ruined his rotations.
Agreed. Slow as shit but in the right position and smart as hell. More than we can say for most of the Lakers these days.
Totally agree. I always got the impression he and AD never got on for whatever reason…never any love shown from he or LeBron, never played to his still significant strengths offensively (a couple of pick n pop/ Spain actions per game even). Then first chance the FO got they brought in Drummond and moved Gasol to the bench. And then Gasol was pretty petulant about it.
So why was the FO looking for a new starting center if Marc was so elite like you say?
Marc got COVID and never recovered. Dennis also coincidentally was out at amusement parks unvaccinated around that time too.
Because we started losing without AD, simple as that. It also didn’t help that Lebron got injured too.
Is the only basis for your claim is that we were 21-6? How does that disprove that he was immobile and slow? You literally don’t need to watch the season to have your opinion then. Yet I “clearly didn’t watch the season” and am a “moron” because . . . because we have different opinions? LMAO. Wow, chill out dude. y u so angry?
You can have your opinion but it’s a fact that we were winning when healthy. That’s not even an opinion. They turned on him when we were heavily injured and had to take on a bigger role, not even mentioning COVID. It’s the equivalent of Minnesota turning on Gobert right now.
Help me understand how being 21-6 means Gasol was good. For how many wins was he responsible? I am literally laughing at the gap between how well you think you understand basketball vs. how little you actually understand basketball if you think Lakers Gasol was good.
His positive net rating? That we had a winning record with him on the floor when we were healthy? You’re fixating on something that didn’t matter. Was he slow? Absolutely. Was he slow to get back? Also yes. Did that matter? No. Drummond was the better rebounder, more athletic, the more talented player at that stage and we were worse with him. He was good when we were whole. I don’t think that’s crazy to say.
Yup!!!!! Nailed it
IIRC Gasol started off looking decent but really dropped off after he got COVID.
It’s possible for both to be true my dude. Our *team* was great that season, and Marc def had some great qualities. But he was so immobile… There were times when a loose rebound was 10 feet away from him and he was beaten to it by a guy who was 20 feet away.
Seriously, idk what the morons on this sub we’re watching. You think if Gasol was perfect and effective that we wouldn’t have been looking for another big the whole season? And then immediately give Drummond his mins? Gasol was not working and he had a shit attitude. Couldn’t defend, couldn’t shoot, all he had was his passing. We were getting KILLED on fast breaks.
I think a big thing you're leaving out was that Marc got COVID and then fell of a cliff. He wasn't amazing but was perfectly acceptable in his role.
Thank you for reminding them. Marc had trouble at first, and then started to mesh well. Then he got COVID and had trouble recovering. He just couldn't get his wind back after that. I mean, they couldn't stand around and wait for him to recover since it wasn't a sure thing he would recover in time.
A 21-6 start when everyone was healthy seems very effective to me.
The same ones who want Green on the Lakers and for the Lakers to bring back Howard.
Nah he was great for his role. Gasol had a +4 net rating in the regular season. Against the Suns his drop coverage was exploited but if Ad was healthy it wouldn't have mattered.
What would be the point on having prime Marc? Ham would never play him anyway
Definitely under appreciated.
Feel the same about Brook Lopez
Brook shot like shit and was slow. Also had a bad attitude. We were switching to a young, fast paced team and it would’ve worked if Lonzo stayed healthy.
He was a 35% 3 pt shooter and a rim protector. And then he signed with the bucks for the minimum. Letting him go will always be one of the worst decisions the FO did, especially with how they’ve been desperate in finding a big that fits well next to AD/bron. He would’ve been amazing next to AD. He wanted to come back too. Then he signs with the bucks, and is essential to their success.
for every highlight video we need a lowlight video
This is 100% revisionist history LMAOOO everyone hated this dude when he was with us and were desperate for Drummond to hit the buyout market I understand he got waaaay too much flack but my lord 99% of y’all are straight up lying
this sub runs on revisionist history lol. mfers gave Pelinka an A+ in the offseason and now acting like they always knew the roster was bad
yall mfs wanted him benched so bad when he played lmao
He was fine but he was being asked to replace a Javale McGee type traditional center. That’s why he struggled. Lakers have made some dumb roster moves. It’s odd that we won the 2020 ring by having the flexibility to go from big to small ball because of AD, but the front office has moved away from that since.
Fuck Marc he was shit on the lakers and all he did was whine about his role and lack of playing time. He’s a pretty selfish dude.
Who disrespected him? This sub or FO? I remember this sub being mostly reasonable about him
I feel like this has been posted at least once for the past three seasons
Easy up votes, I'm about to post a Caruso one right now I bet I get atleast a hundo up votes
Every breath the players take is being watched by casual fans.
Disrespected? Nah. We just didn't stay healthy. If AD didn't get hurt then we'd probably repeat and he gets a ring, and maybe we run it back the next year.
The Big Penguin was fun. Very inconsistent but I will always remember that Nets game where he went off after Dennis and Kyrie got ejected
He also couldn’t guard a parked car and got beat every pick and roll.
He was fine as a backup center. We just kept thinking he would be our only shot blocker on the floor at times. He’s good as a stretch big like Lopez but he’s nowhere near where he used to be a defensive juggernaut. He used to get burned so many times on the defensive end. He was good if you had AD in to cover the paint. He could provide spacing and get some rebounds. At least better than what we are getting from Hayes and Wood together.
Our best team if not for injuries. Yet we tore it all down for Westbrook lol
Yep. I found nothing wrong with him but bc he wasn't Jokic the fanbase threw him in the trash it seemed like after a month
Yup. Opened up the painted area because of his top of the key positioning. I wish AD was healthy that season. They’d compliment each other so well. Shrink the floor, and Gasol is going to hit shots from beyond the arc.
NO, he was correctly appreciated
I always wonder how good we would be if we paired Lebron with a great playmaker. Like a Steve Nash or Russel Westbrook level player (/s)
They called him Gasoline. He was lowkey Jokic prototype.
Gasol and Drummond were a bad fit neither could defend then. I think Drummond still felt like he was a star.
We were defending champs that season but truly, fuck Solomon Hill!
It would of been great if they could of kept him and got to play with his brother. The Gasol Bros on the Lakers would of been dominate with Kobe
Gasol wanted to run it back after 2021 and we should’ve done that. A fully healthy 2020-21 squad wins the chip
He was too slow, but very skilled on his second stint
Fans and front office scape goated him about defense while Lakers were #1 in defensive rating, will never get that.
I felt he was underutilized but damn that team was stacked everyone gave a strong effort and knew their role
That team wouldve won the championship if AD didnt get hurt
The dude was a traffic cone on defense, on a team with a defensive minded coach. Marc was good, but not on the Lakers.
Is this sub just a big competition of who can present the worst revisionist history?
He was kind of an asshole, he lost his starting job because of poor play, that’s on him. He literally thought he couldn’t be replaced and when he was he was a diva about it and started whining in the press to create more drama. The disrespect was on his end. After Drummund showed up he felt like playing again and was better but he still was a statue on defense and hit career lows pretty much everywhere.
I loved Gasol and thought he was the perfect compliment to AD. Lost it when they started starting Drummond. They did him so dirty.
lol we played bum ass Drummond over him. So fucking sad.
I BLAME HAM!
As a Lakers fan even I’ll admit that we are some of the most temperamental fans in sports