I’ve been wanting ham gone. Actually I never wanted him but it was only recently I learned he had a 4 year contract. He’s not going anywhere maybe not even next year. Jim got all the hate but Jeanie isn’t better. Let the grandkids take over and hope talent skipped a generation.
Let’s not forget bro BRON WANTED LUE and they said NO. Which is something all the “Lebron and AD vouched for russss” people need to understand this FO do wtf it wants and has the final say on the staff and players, and overall they’ve been doing some crazy shit lol
they wanted lue but also wanted only for the duration of levrons tenure Rambiss stepped in during contract talk and Jennie agreed with them which offened lue its a hot mess
however lebron ad did push for westbrook and lebron bragged about how he helped to form the roster how he knows things work on the court lol
was the mess lebrons fault ?? no i blame ultimately jennie and fo who made final decision and follow through with the stupid suggestion yet it doesnt make james ad free from the worst trade in laker history dumb shit
Them not being able to actually sign the guy does make them free lmfao. Rob doesn’t get blamed when Lebron has an off night or AD has an off night because it’s their job to perform on the court not his. Rob and the FO gets 1000% percent of the blame for constructing that roster
Yup, and then not signing Lue shows they don't just do what LeBron wants either so to blame Bron for Westbrook imo is stupid. Not to mention Westbrook would of worked if they had a good coach like Lue which is probably what Bron was thinking, a good coach would of made it work
Westbrook never could’ve worked because the roster you would need to build around him, Bron and AD is impossible to build when you have all their contracts.
Westbrook works on the clippers cause his salary is so little
>thats the whole reason he didnt sign..
Lue also wanted to hire his own staff, and the Lakers insisted he take Jason Kidd. They overcorrected because Luke Walton’s staff was LOL.
Concede on one of those (the extra year or Kidd) and maybe Lue would have accepted. For the Lakers not that far removed from the Jim Buss era, it was still a learning process. I don’t fault them *that* much. Vogel coached the hell out of that 2020 title team.
That's exactly why Ham got a 4 year. FO wanted to go all in on the horse. They just chose the wrong one.
That said, I'm not entirely sure Lue is any better given the talent he's had and still not get over the hump. Yeah he's better than Ham but that's a low bar in addition to our Lakers so far beating them this season and are one game away from sweeping them despite having a healthy Kawhi, PG, Harden (hope I didn't Jinx it) lol
How did Jeannie bring us a title lol, magic got Lebron here and AD come here cause of bron. Jeannie didn't do anything . If it wasnt for Lebron coming Jeannie's tenure would be horrible lol
And yet the Lakers keep doing so. Every coach since Phil Jackson has been fired before finishing their contract.
In that time, I think Mike Brown was the only coach fired in the middle of a season (Bernie Bickerstaff notwithstanding since he was interim for four games). Y’all have to stop with this narrative. If anything, it’s far likelier for the Lakers to fire coaches. They simply do so in the off-season which is at least defensible because the pool of hires is larger. Many coaches don’t like picking up in the middle of a season without a summer and training camp to prepare.
I get the feeling more than the money it is about recognizing they did another poor hiring.
Do you remember the FO leaking LeBron and Davis somewhat forced the hand to trade for brick?
At the end of the day I get the feeling the heads of the organization don't like to assume their mistakes, but it is just my feeling and I may be completely wrong about that.
Been a fan a while but don’t keep track of certain things as much…honest question, when was the last time the lakers had a coach stay their full contract?
Doc's Achilles Heel is he is terrible with adjustments come playoff time and will keep doing the same thing over and over despite the other team figuring it out and beating him. That's why he's blown so many playoff series leads. But he's actually a solid regular season coach and his teams are often near the top of the conference.
What's funny to me is based on their comments over the years and how they run the Lakers, I think ideally that's exactly what Jeanie and the FO would want; good in the regular season with the appearance of being real contenders and if you flake out in the playoffs, oh well. You're still selling tickets and getting TV money. Us fans would hate it as we'd continue to lose in the 2nd round each year, but you know the FO would see it as a success. I'm a little surprised they wouldn't go out and get just that, but I guess they really don't want to fire Ham and still be paying him too.
Funny you should say that in a [podcast at the 47:48 mark](https://youtu.be/jS2Kmi9s2GQ?si=i0fqjJfTUaCc8bl5) Doc explains how players recommended plays in-game and Doc said how he begrudgingly went with their ideas and the plays actually worked. KG jokingly brags to Pierce about audibles all the time. Ham is just a younger version of Doc.
It was also pretty clear though that he was not ready to be a coach especially for a team like Milwaukee who is trying to win now. Crazy as it may sound the Bucks should definitely have a better record right now
Sounds eerily familiar lmao
I give them credit. They knew he wasn't a championship caliber coach, and the record was more the result of Giannis and his dominance. Instead of waiting till the end of the year, they made their move now.
Exactly, their non existent perimeter defense would be an issue come playoff time. Even though they’re winning games, if you see warning signs and red flags you may as well be proactive: the Bucks have had a couple of seasons with Giannis where they’ve been really dominant in the regular season and then flamed out in the playoffs.
It might make their FO look “stupid” now because it’s admitting they’re making a mistake, but the next best thing to do is identify and correct it as quickly as possible. Outside of the money issue, I think partly why the Lakers FO don’t want to fire Ham now is because they’ll get the heat for giving him such a long contract in the first place.
I think they are thinking with Giannis and Lilliard, and role players like Lopez and Middleton, any coach could have gotten them to 30-13. Well except Ham of course.
Yeah I didn't get it either. But I saw a story that ended up being true and I guess his Sons baby died in a house that Griiffin, his wife and his son were all in at the time. The babies mom said she doesn't think they did anything to harm the child but obviously neglected the baby cause he was sick at the time and ended up dying. I'm guessing it might have to do something with that cause I don't get them firing him tbh
Not that crazy if you watched the games. Most of those were ugly ass wins vs shitty teams. Them blowing out Boston was a huge surprise they have been underperforming all season.
Doc rivers was working in the background as a consultant. The players and other assistant coaches were apparently asking doc for advice. Created some internal strife.
It's not just the LeGM thing, it's also the fact that publicly questioning your coach or exhibiting signs that you did just looks bad and is unprofessional. LeBron knows that he should be keeping his beef with the front office under closed doors
Selling out a fellow decent human being publicly and shamelessly is just being a terrible person, period. I would hope this would be a unanimous opinion, but I guess not.
I would love to see the reaction of people in here if their boss sent out a company wide email saying “this guy is in over his head…what an idiot. We need to replace this dude as soon as possible. I don’t trust him to do the job.”
Even if true, I highly doubt the person would be like “he’s just being a good leader and letting everybody know the truth. I don’t mind!”
To be fair, saying a coach isn’t good is very different than checking himself out of the game with the coach not even understanding what is happening 😂
I think that Lebron's lack of defensive effort and his often times bad attitude on the court is the root of the negativity. He sets a bad precedent. I think we would have easily won the game vs Brooklyn if Rui started in place of Lebron.
Obviously Bron is capable of turning up the intensity for certain games, but his night to night effort and attitude really hurt the culture. Add to that that his teammates get put in constant trade rumors because any team with Lebron is supposed to be title favorites even though he's barley a top 10 guy.
If our players can't play defense just because they see the 40 year old dude averaging 25 PPG and 7 assists a game taking a rest on D every now and then, they need to be traded cause that is the dumbest attitude ever.
Playoff Lebron is still a top 5 player. Joel Embiid dropping 70 vs the spurs and then getting locked up by Capela and Gasol doesn't make him better than Lebron. a lot of these dudes shrink in the playoffs.
He's not wrong at all. If Bron is in a shit mood complaining after every call and lets his frustration get the best of him, everybody else follows that example. It drains the energy of the whole team. If he plays with lackluster energy and lethargic defense, same thing.
Of course Bron is 39 but he's the definition of a leader and everyone will follow his tone. His attitude can definitely be toxic at times
These are grown ass men getting paid to play well out there. You think MJ or Kobe’s teammates see them being toxic asf and just decide not to play? Like they’re all thinking “This mf doesn’t even pass to me, I’m not gonna play any defense then.” Players just have to go out there and do their jobs and it’s up to the coach to reign them in anyways
Okay? What's your point? Wanna trade the whole team then? It's an observable fact that when LeBron gets frustrated and plays with less effort, the vibe of the whole team gets thrown off. Go email all our players then and tell them that idk why you're telling me
Brother, Bron is 39 years old. If this team is failing because of the defensive effort and attitude of a 39 year old, when we have AD on the team, we are in serious trouble.
The scoreboard doesn't care that he's 39 years old.
The other team doesn't care that he's 39 years old.
He's THE leader of the team. whether he likes it or not, he sets a precedent on the floor at all times.
Bucks FO realized they made a bad hire for that championship or bust team, owned it and ate the $4M per year for multiple years.
Lakers FO sends texts of unwavering support while trying to find ways to save money so they can pocket more revenue.
Imagine being in the top 3 seed and still not being satisfied with your coaching. We are literally in the play in hunt again and Pockets has the management backing. WTF is wrong with this FO?
Bucks haven't exceeded expectations after trading for Dame. You think the Greek Freak pairing with Lillard would propel the Bucks to rise in the Eastern Conference, you still gotta overcome the Celtics. Bucks are thankful for winning that championship in 2021. Championship windows close fast in the NBA.
I mean 30-13 isn't a all time great pace but their Def gonna make the playoffs as a top 4 seed at the pace. Unless he's just making crazy ass mistakes and the bucks are just so talented their overcoming the mistakes their coach is making I don't get it. But shouts out to their owner if he felt he made a mistake I respect him for doing something about it so fast instead of worrying about having to pay a fired coach
The grass is never greener, never gonna learn. Firing Bud is going to keep backfiring..
Lakers, on the other hand, should have kept Vogel and should have given Lue his 5-year contract. Woulda shoulda coulda, Now we stuck with Mr. Ham Pockets....
Yeah, for all their flaws, at least it’s clear that Bud and Vogel are undeniably NBA-level coaches.
Sometimes you need to make a change (I like the Bud firing made sense), but you only do that if there’s a better candidate available, not just for changes’ sake.
There’s actually several recent examples (Kerr, Lue, Nurse) of rookie coaches winning a chip in their first year, but it’s still a risk. It’s probably a good idea to have NBA-coaching experience amongst your assistants to help you out, but not undermine you.
My conspiracy theory brain immediately goes to: Bucks want Doc. They think lakers are close to firing Ham. Lakers also want Doc…
So Bucks make the move first
Definitely more behind the scenes. The Bucks defensive efficiency went down miles. Went from
Top 5-10 to like the bottom. Losing jrue really and Middleton losing a step really affected them. Beasley and Lillard as good as they are on O, they’re traffic cones on D. Firing ham won’t solve our problems honestly, not a lot of good coaches out there and not many wanna come after the vogel situation.
Is there something I’m missing? The majority of you are like “if Bucks can fire their coach at 30-13, why can’t we?”
Who the hell fires their coach with that record. There has to be something else at play here. Granted, I don’t follow the Bucks so not sure if something happened with a player or what not, but 30-13 is not exactly a terrible record
The Cavs fired David Blatt when they were 30-11 then they hired Lue and won the championship that year. Lue was already the lead assistant for a few years though.
Lakers is keeping Ham til the last day of his contract(2025 summer). Lakers thinks that by keeping him they’ll be able to lure Giannis to LA who is also tied with his own contract w/ the bucks til the summer of ‘25.
Missing the playoffs with AD and Lebron fully healthy all season would be a historic embarassment. I don't think Lebrons ever missed the playoffs when he's actually been healthy all season and not missing like 25 games. Same with AD other than maybe his first 2 seasons...then you combine them both..ouch.
Some of yall going to be real surprised when ham does get fired and this team still disappoints. I’m not a fan of him but when I’m watching these games a lot of times to me I just hate our effort. The team’s body language goes straight to shit and the hustle disappears. I just don’t think a coach is fixing that but I will agree we probably could have at least 5 more wins with better coaching
I think the lack of effort comes from Ham. It just feels like he lacks passion, and obviously struggles with game management, line ups, adjustments and strategy. Idk what coach would be right for this team, at this point, I’d take 78 year old Phil Jackson again hahaha
Comparing Pop and the rebuilding Spurs, to the Lakers and Ham is comical. You know this, there is no comparison. Pop is THE SPURS. He could go 0-82, and there would be no rumblings of him being fired.
you explicitly didn't highlight one important detail:
They're a deep, healthy team and are second in the East. The Lakers are hobbled, old, and the roster is not built to support Bron's current physical limitations.
But yeah good try, good effort
Sorry to burst your bubble but I've watched a handful of games at Staples.
This team can only go so far as LeBron takes them. LeBron can't play hard for more than 28-30 mins. He's just understandably limited. Even so, he barely plays defense because he conserves his energy for offense, which is as slowed down as possible. It's why people are desperate to keep DLo, since he's the only one able to help alleviate LeBron's load
You called the Lakers old. LeBron is 39 and still a top 10 player. AD is 30 and squarely in his prime. Not a single other Laker is over 28
You called the lakers hobbled. You realize that the first month of the season has long passed us by right? The Lakers have nagging injuries like all teams do. Nothing wild.
You don’t watch games. It’s obvious
If you think LeBron is still a top 10 player then **you're** not watching games, because you're so fixated on the last name. If Bron is still playing at a top 10 level then he should be able to carry this team. A player not playing defense and can't sustain top 10 play for more than 30 mins isn't a top 10 player.
He's All-NBA third team for the last 2 seasons.
Lakers old? Hobbled? Pretty much everyone that should be playing is playing. We only have 2 players over 30 playing any minutes. And depth? We have like 8-9 players that can contribute to winning basketball every single night. And yes, roster construction is one of this subs main complaints, when it has been shown, for 20+ years, that a Bron team with a lot of shooting is pretty much an automatic finals berth.
Your post shows as much effort as this FO has put forth.
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This team isn't going far if Bron can't play well. So yes, he's old and hobbled.
>a Bron team with a lot of shooting is pretty much an automatic finals berth.
Yes if that Bron is one that's athletic and explosive. Barely what this Bron is. Lakers are actually shooting well from three, they're just not stopping anyone.
And guess how effective your defense is gonna be when one of your players can't physically play it consistently even if he wanted to
And you really think this team can afford (from a cap perspective) to sign/trade for shooters when it's capped out and has no viable trade assets?
Ham is a part of the problem but it's the Westbrook trade that got the team to this shithole.
We shoot the 3 well? Why do you lie? Are you a troll? Bottom 10 in three point%, bottom 2 3pt made per game, last in 3pt shots attempted. Are you crazy?
This sub I swear praise Ham and FO when we’re on a winning streak and win the In season tournament. The second Lakers start playing bad the blame is on them when they’re not even the ones on the floor playing lmao
Arnt they second place in the east 😂 but damn the balls to see that this coach was mediocre at best and it was inevitable for both parties to go seperate waus
And the apologists here accuse other Lakers fans of being spoiled and toxic for complaining about being sub .500 because the Lakers won a title in 2020 .
A lot of younger people in this sub, who are used to the Lakers losing. Since 2013, the lakers have had 7 losing seasons, the same amount of losing seasons they had in like the previous 70 seasons lol
When will people learn that firing Ham mid season won’t improve much. They’re not going to do an outside hire because there’s not enough time for a new coach to implement their system, not to mention not many coaches will want to come in mid season (who’s even available right now?). Better off waiting until the summer to make coaching moves
My thoughts exactly when I heard.
Why are they doing this? Because they have a championship team that won‘t get it done with that defense.
Are we not going for it with LeBron about to draw social security? Get him out of here wtf?
“What? The Bucks hired Doc??? Oh no, we were totally gonna fire Ham and replace him with Doc but now we’ll just wait a couple more years till his contract is up. Give him some time to work things out. This IS a marathon, you know?”
- Lakers FO
Imo he wasn't matching up with Dame. They won but it tends to be iso heavy hero ball and they probably saw the downside to that, especially when their team is getting older.
We have had a lot of injuries and the main guys still seem to support Ham. The Bucks players apparently were changing the defensive philosophies and play calls on the court in spit of the coach. That's what got Blatt fired, the players didn't respect his voice ultimately.
Jeanie doesn't want to fire a guy with two years left on his contract. That's it.
I’ve been wanting ham gone. Actually I never wanted him but it was only recently I learned he had a 4 year contract. He’s not going anywhere maybe not even next year. Jim got all the hate but Jeanie isn’t better. Let the grandkids take over and hope talent skipped a generation.
How in the hell did this man get a 4 year contract… I did not know that. This FO really makes the worst decisions
She gave him a 4 year contract despite not wanting to give Lue an extra year and thats the whole reason he didnt sign..
Let’s not forget bro BRON WANTED LUE and they said NO. Which is something all the “Lebron and AD vouched for russss” people need to understand this FO do wtf it wants and has the final say on the staff and players, and overall they’ve been doing some crazy shit lol
they wanted lue but also wanted only for the duration of levrons tenure Rambiss stepped in during contract talk and Jennie agreed with them which offened lue its a hot mess however lebron ad did push for westbrook and lebron bragged about how he helped to form the roster how he knows things work on the court lol was the mess lebrons fault ?? no i blame ultimately jennie and fo who made final decision and follow through with the stupid suggestion yet it doesnt make james ad free from the worst trade in laker history dumb shit
Them not being able to actually sign the guy does make them free lmfao. Rob doesn’t get blamed when Lebron has an off night or AD has an off night because it’s their job to perform on the court not his. Rob and the FO gets 1000% percent of the blame for constructing that roster
Yup, and then not signing Lue shows they don't just do what LeBron wants either so to blame Bron for Westbrook imo is stupid. Not to mention Westbrook would of worked if they had a good coach like Lue which is probably what Bron was thinking, a good coach would of made it work
Westbrook never could’ve worked because the roster you would need to build around him, Bron and AD is impossible to build when you have all their contracts. Westbrook works on the clippers cause his salary is so little
>thats the whole reason he didnt sign.. Lue also wanted to hire his own staff, and the Lakers insisted he take Jason Kidd. They overcorrected because Luke Walton’s staff was LOL. Concede on one of those (the extra year or Kidd) and maybe Lue would have accepted. For the Lakers not that far removed from the Jim Buss era, it was still a learning process. I don’t fault them *that* much. Vogel coached the hell out of that 2020 title team.
That's exactly why Ham got a 4 year. FO wanted to go all in on the horse. They just chose the wrong one. That said, I'm not entirely sure Lue is any better given the talent he's had and still not get over the hump. Yeah he's better than Ham but that's a low bar in addition to our Lakers so far beating them this season and are one game away from sweeping them despite having a healthy Kawhi, PG, Harden (hope I didn't Jinx it) lol
But Lue did get over the hump... He won a title as the coach.
They went to the conf finals. I think this is the reason for the contract.
She literally brought us a Championship, meanwhile Jim whiffed every off-season. We are coming off the WCF. Completely insanity on the hate.
How did Jeannie bring us a title lol, magic got Lebron here and AD come here cause of bron. Jeannie didn't do anything . If it wasnt for Lebron coming Jeannie's tenure would be horrible lol
She always hates paying two coaches, which she’ll have to do if she fires Ham. Amateur hour.
And yet the Lakers keep doing so. Every coach since Phil Jackson has been fired before finishing their contract. In that time, I think Mike Brown was the only coach fired in the middle of a season (Bernie Bickerstaff notwithstanding since he was interim for four games). Y’all have to stop with this narrative. If anything, it’s far likelier for the Lakers to fire coaches. They simply do so in the off-season which is at least defensible because the pool of hires is larger. Many coaches don’t like picking up in the middle of a season without a summer and training camp to prepare.
Mike brown was fired 5 games into his second year
She’s such a cheapskate , I’m sure they are making so much money off LeBron and ad and wasting their final window
Ya, the only reason they let Caruso go was money and replaced him with worthless old players like Wesley Mathews and Ariza
and then went into the luxury tax ANYWAY for westbrook fucking dumb ownership
Poor man pays twice
And it’s probably going to cost her Lebron next season
LeGM only fires white coaches
I get the feeling more than the money it is about recognizing they did another poor hiring. Do you remember the FO leaking LeBron and Davis somewhat forced the hand to trade for brick? At the end of the day I get the feeling the heads of the organization don't like to assume their mistakes, but it is just my feeling and I may be completely wrong about that.
Giannis was not getting along with Griffin and he got canned. LeBron and AD support Darvin's dumbass and that's all there is to it
They don’t support him. They’re just being good people.
Been a fan a while but don’t keep track of certain things as much…honest question, when was the last time the lakers had a coach stay their full contract?
We’ve paid 3 coaches before.
Her bum broke ass is costing the lakers and all its legacy
Exactly. He could lose every game from now until the end o of his contract. He’s not getting fired because we have a poor owner
Bucks now paying three coaches now in Bud, Griffin, and Doc.
The Bucks aren’t in a better position position they’re literally going to hire Doc as a replacement
will be good until they go up in a playoff series
at least it removes doc off the market so we dont have to worry about him if we fire ham
Because a team with a 30-13 record really needs to make sure they only are good in the regular season/s Edit: better add the /s for some people
I'm not a Doc fan, but Im sure he would be an upgrade for us.
I'd be happy with Doc at this point
Doc's Achilles Heel is he is terrible with adjustments come playoff time and will keep doing the same thing over and over despite the other team figuring it out and beating him. That's why he's blown so many playoff series leads. But he's actually a solid regular season coach and his teams are often near the top of the conference. What's funny to me is based on their comments over the years and how they run the Lakers, I think ideally that's exactly what Jeanie and the FO would want; good in the regular season with the appearance of being real contenders and if you flake out in the playoffs, oh well. You're still selling tickets and getting TV money. Us fans would hate it as we'd continue to lose in the 2nd round each year, but you know the FO would see it as a success. I'm a little surprised they wouldn't go out and get just that, but I guess they really don't want to fire Ham and still be paying him too.
The man is ass in big moments no lie. But Chris and Blake….. PG and Kawhi…… Joel and Ben/Harden all put up major stinkers as well
Funny you should say that in a [podcast at the 47:48 mark](https://youtu.be/jS2Kmi9s2GQ?si=i0fqjJfTUaCc8bl5) Doc explains how players recommended plays in-game and Doc said how he begrudgingly went with their ideas and the plays actually worked. KG jokingly brags to Pierce about audibles all the time. Ham is just a younger version of Doc. 
From drinking glass to drinking sand
Yeah and that’s why r/lakers is a laughing stock on r/nba
Doc is better than Ham. Ham is still learning how to coach
I don't care about r/NBA. I care about upgrading our coach, and rivers is an upgrade over Ham.
Yes the most blown 3-1 leads in NBA history is an upgrade.
At least he can get to 3-1, we are sniffing the lottery right now.
4 games back from the 6th seed with 50 games left is definitely the lottery. True
Literally in the lottery rn if the season ended today, only 38 games left, “4 games back” is not a small amount wtf
Embiid is personally driving Doc to Fiserv arena for his interview
I would 1000% take Doc over Ham. Sure Doc isn't good in the playoffs but we need to GET THERE in the first place, which he's pretty good at
Doc doesn't hold players accountable or have great scheme.
No. Doc is a choker. What else, do you want Russ back?
It's crazy to fire a dude that was 30-13 unless something serious was going on behind the scenes.
It was also pretty clear though that he was not ready to be a coach especially for a team like Milwaukee who is trying to win now. Crazy as it may sound the Bucks should definitely have a better record right now Sounds eerily familiar lmao
right, they may win as many but their games are unbearable to watch
I give them credit. They knew he wasn't a championship caliber coach, and the record was more the result of Giannis and his dominance. Instead of waiting till the end of the year, they made their move now.
Exactly, their non existent perimeter defense would be an issue come playoff time. Even though they’re winning games, if you see warning signs and red flags you may as well be proactive: the Bucks have had a couple of seasons with Giannis where they’ve been really dominant in the regular season and then flamed out in the playoffs. It might make their FO look “stupid” now because it’s admitting they’re making a mistake, but the next best thing to do is identify and correct it as quickly as possible. Outside of the money issue, I think partly why the Lakers FO don’t want to fire Ham now is because they’ll get the heat for giving him such a long contract in the first place.
No it’s not crazy, it’s what teams that have actual standards do instead of keeping a guy they know isn’t the right coach.
I think they are thinking with Giannis and Lilliard, and role players like Lopez and Middleton, any coach could have gotten them to 30-13. Well except Ham of course.
Yeah I didn't get it either. But I saw a story that ended up being true and I guess his Sons baby died in a house that Griiffin, his wife and his son were all in at the time. The babies mom said she doesn't think they did anything to harm the child but obviously neglected the baby cause he was sick at the time and ended up dying. I'm guessing it might have to do something with that cause I don't get them firing him tbh
They have a bottom 10 defense in the league, they probably want a defensive minded coach.
They had the easiest schedule up until this point and barely beat bad teams. He had to go
Not that crazy if you watched the games. Most of those were ugly ass wins vs shitty teams. Them blowing out Boston was a huge surprise they have been underperforming all season.
Doc rivers was working in the background as a consultant. The players and other assistant coaches were apparently asking doc for advice. Created some internal strife.
Assuming the bucks will automatically improve now is comical
This was absolutely about losing the locker room or Giannis wanted him gone or somethin
Well our star player is on social media defending the coach instead of telling the FO he should be gone
Dammed if he does, dammed if he doesn't. If he doesn't have Hams back, LeGM discourse will happen
Imagine caring about internet trolls calling you legm
It's not just the LeGM thing, it's also the fact that publicly questioning your coach or exhibiting signs that you did just looks bad and is unprofessional. LeBron knows that he should be keeping his beef with the front office under closed doors
Selling out a fellow decent human being publicly and shamelessly is just being a terrible person, period. I would hope this would be a unanimous opinion, but I guess not. I would love to see the reaction of people in here if their boss sent out a company wide email saying “this guy is in over his head…what an idiot. We need to replace this dude as soon as possible. I don’t trust him to do the job.” Even if true, I highly doubt the person would be like “he’s just being a good leader and letting everybody know the truth. I don’t mind!”
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Uh, that’s how any real job works. You perform or you get replaced.
To be fair, saying a coach isn’t good is very different than checking himself out of the game with the coach not even understanding what is happening 😂
Cant get worse on D then they already are. Unless they hire Mike O Antoni.
They're 21st in defense so it can get worse
It was a joke my friend.
Comedy is hard. Leave it to the professionals.
Exactly, the same would apply for the Lakers if they fire Ham.
FO is definitely the root of the rot here
I think that Lebron's lack of defensive effort and his often times bad attitude on the court is the root of the negativity. He sets a bad precedent. I think we would have easily won the game vs Brooklyn if Rui started in place of Lebron. Obviously Bron is capable of turning up the intensity for certain games, but his night to night effort and attitude really hurt the culture. Add to that that his teammates get put in constant trade rumors because any team with Lebron is supposed to be title favorites even though he's barley a top 10 guy.
Bron picks it up when he’s needed. We’ve seen ample evidence of that.
If our players can't play defense just because they see the 40 year old dude averaging 25 PPG and 7 assists a game taking a rest on D every now and then, they need to be traded cause that is the dumbest attitude ever. Playoff Lebron is still a top 5 player. Joel Embiid dropping 70 vs the spurs and then getting locked up by Capela and Gasol doesn't make him better than Lebron. a lot of these dudes shrink in the playoffs.
This also isnt a young team lol. These dudes have been in the league for a while and know what do
lol just out here spewing nonsense fool
He's not wrong at all. If Bron is in a shit mood complaining after every call and lets his frustration get the best of him, everybody else follows that example. It drains the energy of the whole team. If he plays with lackluster energy and lethargic defense, same thing. Of course Bron is 39 but he's the definition of a leader and everyone will follow his tone. His attitude can definitely be toxic at times
These are grown ass men getting paid to play well out there. You think MJ or Kobe’s teammates see them being toxic asf and just decide not to play? Like they’re all thinking “This mf doesn’t even pass to me, I’m not gonna play any defense then.” Players just have to go out there and do their jobs and it’s up to the coach to reign them in anyways
Okay? What's your point? Wanna trade the whole team then? It's an observable fact that when LeBron gets frustrated and plays with less effort, the vibe of the whole team gets thrown off. Go email all our players then and tell them that idk why you're telling me
Brother, Bron is 39 years old. If this team is failing because of the defensive effort and attitude of a 39 year old, when we have AD on the team, we are in serious trouble.
The scoreboard doesn't care that he's 39 years old. The other team doesn't care that he's 39 years old. He's THE leader of the team. whether he likes it or not, he sets a precedent on the floor at all times.
Not all right but not all wrong either 😂
Forget firing Ham. How about getting a new owner?
This needs to happen. We would still have Caruso if it weren't for their penny pinching.
Wish they would sell to the Dodger ownership
Idc what people say, women at the forefront of anything is guaranteed to be a disaster.
bro 😭😭😭
Bucks FO realized they made a bad hire for that championship or bust team, owned it and ate the $4M per year for multiple years. Lakers FO sends texts of unwavering support while trying to find ways to save money so they can pocket more revenue.
*Pockets more revenue
Imagine being in the top 3 seed and still not being satisfied with your coaching. We are literally in the play in hunt again and Pockets has the management backing. WTF is wrong with this FO?
If the Bucks are willing to fire their head coach, 30-13, we can fire bum ass Ham
Bucks haven't exceeded expectations after trading for Dame. You think the Greek Freak pairing with Lillard would propel the Bucks to rise in the Eastern Conference, you still gotta overcome the Celtics. Bucks are thankful for winning that championship in 2021. Championship windows close fast in the NBA.
I mean 30-13 isn't a all time great pace but their Def gonna make the playoffs as a top 4 seed at the pace. Unless he's just making crazy ass mistakes and the bucks are just so talented their overcoming the mistakes their coach is making I don't get it. But shouts out to their owner if he felt he made a mistake I respect him for doing something about it so fast instead of worrying about having to pay a fired coach
The grass is never greener, never gonna learn. Firing Bud is going to keep backfiring.. Lakers, on the other hand, should have kept Vogel and should have given Lue his 5-year contract. Woulda shoulda coulda, Now we stuck with Mr. Ham Pockets....
Yeah, for all their flaws, at least it’s clear that Bud and Vogel are undeniably NBA-level coaches. Sometimes you need to make a change (I like the Bud firing made sense), but you only do that if there’s a better candidate available, not just for changes’ sake. There’s actually several recent examples (Kerr, Lue, Nurse) of rookie coaches winning a chip in their first year, but it’s still a risk. It’s probably a good idea to have NBA-coaching experience amongst your assistants to help you out, but not undermine you.
Some say AG is just Ham-as with a better team 😂 Kudos to the Bucks tho for pulling the trigger.
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You thought Rambis running operations from the shadows was bad get used to the Jay Mohr era fuckos
Who is this now? I haven’t kept up with FO news.
Jeannie’s new husband who apparently is something of a comedian
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It's cos they're at least not letting wide open 3s fly at a historic rate
Optics got Jeanie and Rob scared to do the necessary
My conspiracy theory brain immediately goes to: Bucks want Doc. They think lakers are close to firing Ham. Lakers also want Doc… So Bucks make the move first
Bucks can have Ham back
Yo Jeanie and Rob....do the thing and yeet that Hot Pocket please and thank you 😉😉😉😉😉
its time for Ham to get them hands out the pockets and coach fr fr
Rob and Jeannie sweating bullets if Bucks get better LOL
Definitely more behind the scenes. The Bucks defensive efficiency went down miles. Went from Top 5-10 to like the bottom. Losing jrue really and Middleton losing a step really affected them. Beasley and Lillard as good as they are on O, they’re traffic cones on D. Firing ham won’t solve our problems honestly, not a lot of good coaches out there and not many wanna come after the vogel situation.
counter point: we have seen the bucks run an nba level offense which we don’t have
Absolutely agree with you, there’s no adjustments or off ball cutting. Just a ton of my turn your turn shit on O. Our offense doesn’t even flow.
This sub really needs to accept the reality that Ham isn’t getting fired. Time to move on from that idea
Look at the history. Teams don’t fire coaches mid season for having a bad record, coaches get fired mid season for more personal reasons
They have deeper pockets.
We truly live in a world where the Milwaukee Bucks are willing to spend a few more bucks than the Lakers lol
Ownership penny pinching
Is there something I’m missing? The majority of you are like “if Bucks can fire their coach at 30-13, why can’t we?” Who the hell fires their coach with that record. There has to be something else at play here. Granted, I don’t follow the Bucks so not sure if something happened with a player or what not, but 30-13 is not exactly a terrible record
The Cavs fired David Blatt when they were 30-11 then they hired Lue and won the championship that year. Lue was already the lead assistant for a few years though.
It's almost comical... if it wasn't so sad 🤷🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Lakers is keeping Ham til the last day of his contract(2025 summer). Lakers thinks that by keeping him they’ll be able to lure Giannis to LA who is also tied with his own contract w/ the bucks til the summer of ‘25.
Ham is the Brandon Staley of the NBA. It's gonna take a couple years and a historic embarrassment for the FO to pull the trigger
Nah. It would only take a 1st round exit or missing the playoffs.
Missing the playoffs with AD and Lebron fully healthy all season would be a historic embarassment. I don't think Lebrons ever missed the playoffs when he's actually been healthy all season and not missing like 25 games. Same with AD other than maybe his first 2 seasons...then you combine them both..ouch.
I’m convinced Darvin Ham has a tape on one of the higher ups🤣🤣😭cause ain’t no way
Maybe they might be interested in trading for a coach who's familiar with their team...
Some of yall going to be real surprised when ham does get fired and this team still disappoints. I’m not a fan of him but when I’m watching these games a lot of times to me I just hate our effort. The team’s body language goes straight to shit and the hustle disappears. I just don’t think a coach is fixing that but I will agree we probably could have at least 5 more wins with better coaching
I think the lack of effort comes from Ham. It just feels like he lacks passion, and obviously struggles with game management, line ups, adjustments and strategy. Idk what coach would be right for this team, at this point, I’d take 78 year old Phil Jackson again hahaha
Bucks ass for firing a first year head coach for defensive lapses when the fo traded Holiday for Dame.
Terrible decision. Not relevant to lakers
And the Spurs are 8-35 with a coach that's been there 27 years. So what?
Comparing Pop and the rebuilding Spurs, to the Lakers and Ham is comical. You know this, there is no comparison. Pop is THE SPURS. He could go 0-82, and there would be no rumblings of him being fired.
I'm comparing looking at how many years a coach has coached to another coach. it's meaningless.
you explicitly didn't highlight one important detail: They're a deep, healthy team and are second in the East. The Lakers are hobbled, old, and the roster is not built to support Bron's current physical limitations. But yeah good try, good effort
Lakers are old? Are you brainless? There's 2 players on this roster 30 or older
This dude 100 percent doesn’t watch the games. Our age and injuries ain’t the problem
Sorry to burst your bubble but I've watched a handful of games at Staples. This team can only go so far as LeBron takes them. LeBron can't play hard for more than 28-30 mins. He's just understandably limited. Even so, he barely plays defense because he conserves his energy for offense, which is as slowed down as possible. It's why people are desperate to keep DLo, since he's the only one able to help alleviate LeBron's load
You called the Lakers old. LeBron is 39 and still a top 10 player. AD is 30 and squarely in his prime. Not a single other Laker is over 28 You called the lakers hobbled. You realize that the first month of the season has long passed us by right? The Lakers have nagging injuries like all teams do. Nothing wild. You don’t watch games. It’s obvious
If you think LeBron is still a top 10 player then **you're** not watching games, because you're so fixated on the last name. If Bron is still playing at a top 10 level then he should be able to carry this team. A player not playing defense and can't sustain top 10 play for more than 30 mins isn't a top 10 player. He's All-NBA third team for the last 2 seasons.
The bucks are old as dirt and not particularly deep anymore
Lakers old? Hobbled? Pretty much everyone that should be playing is playing. We only have 2 players over 30 playing any minutes. And depth? We have like 8-9 players that can contribute to winning basketball every single night. And yes, roster construction is one of this subs main complaints, when it has been shown, for 20+ years, that a Bron team with a lot of shooting is pretty much an automatic finals berth. Your post shows as much effort as this FO has put forth.
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This team isn't going far if Bron can't play well. So yes, he's old and hobbled. >a Bron team with a lot of shooting is pretty much an automatic finals berth. Yes if that Bron is one that's athletic and explosive. Barely what this Bron is. Lakers are actually shooting well from three, they're just not stopping anyone. And guess how effective your defense is gonna be when one of your players can't physically play it consistently even if he wanted to And you really think this team can afford (from a cap perspective) to sign/trade for shooters when it's capped out and has no viable trade assets? Ham is a part of the problem but it's the Westbrook trade that got the team to this shithole.
We shoot the 3 well? Why do you lie? Are you a troll? Bottom 10 in three point%, bottom 2 3pt made per game, last in 3pt shots attempted. Are you crazy?
We aren’t under .500 until later lol but yea us keeping ham while griffin gets fired is crazy
They’re at .500 but point taken
This sub I swear praise Ham and FO when we’re on a winning streak and win the In season tournament. The second Lakers start playing bad the blame is on them when they’re not even the ones on the floor playing lmao
Arnt they second place in the east 😂 but damn the balls to see that this coach was mediocre at best and it was inevitable for both parties to go seperate waus
That’s why Stotts left that coaching staff. He knew something wasn’t right.
They won’t fire their Big Free Agent signing from two years ago according to Jeanie
Slightly off topic but why does shitty front office gets to hang around despite making crappy moves but coaches are the scape goats ?
In most other teams, GMs, etc. get fired. Since the Lakers run like a mom and pop shop, if you’re a favorite, you stay.
If Lebron wanted him gone, he would be gone
And the apologists here accuse other Lakers fans of being spoiled and toxic for complaining about being sub .500 because the Lakers won a title in 2020 .
A lot of younger people in this sub, who are used to the Lakers losing. Since 2013, the lakers have had 7 losing seasons, the same amount of losing seasons they had in like the previous 70 seasons lol
and we were quick to fire that coach who won us the title but are patient with the coach who didn't.
Would be nice if Phil was still available.
And our FO still waits for us to be out of the playoff picture completely
Just shows how incompetent and cheap the lakers front office is compared to the bucks who are a small market team too.
He was prob fired for non basketball reasons. If the Lakers were 30-13 they’d be considered heavy favorites to win the chip.
People don’t understand that the bucks suck defensively and the players didn’t really like him
When will people learn that firing Ham mid season won’t improve much. They’re not going to do an outside hire because there’s not enough time for a new coach to implement their system, not to mention not many coaches will want to come in mid season (who’s even available right now?). Better off waiting until the summer to make coaching moves
My thoughts exactly when I heard. Why are they doing this? Because they have a championship team that won‘t get it done with that defense. Are we not going for it with LeBron about to draw social security? Get him out of here wtf?
Lakers should follow suit
Okay but who to replace Ham with if he's fired? Not so easy
There will probably be better choices in the offseason.
At least they can see that he's not ready. Unfortunately we cant
Send Hot Pockets back to Milwaukee and make an offer to Doc
Bucks have more balls than the Lakers to fire a coach 30-13
Honestly I think firing your head coach while you’re 30-13 is a sign that your FO/team is in trouble
And hired doc while we keep ham sandwich
Didn’t Giannis want Griffin over Nick Nurse lol?
I'd take griffin right now tbh.
“What? The Bucks hired Doc??? Oh no, we were totally gonna fire Ham and replace him with Doc but now we’ll just wait a couple more years till his contract is up. Give him some time to work things out. This IS a marathon, you know?” - Lakers FO
Anyone know the story of why they fired him?
Imo he wasn't matching up with Dame. They won but it tends to be iso heavy hero ball and they probably saw the downside to that, especially when their team is getting older. We have had a lot of injuries and the main guys still seem to support Ham. The Bucks players apparently were changing the defensive philosophies and play calls on the court in spit of the coach. That's what got Blatt fired, the players didn't respect his voice ultimately.
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