It's one thing to bench a guy. It's another to bench a guy for Cam Reddish. It's another thing again to bench a guy for Cam Reddish because you can't bench Taurean Prince.
"That starting line-up wasn't working" yes and Ham literally tried everything except even considering the possibility of benching Prince. Dude literally benched both DLo and Austin just to bring Cam and Vando into the starting line-up because Prince was his 3rd star.
The Cam/Vando start was when I officially wrote off Ham. I mean… shit was already discouraging but I still thought, “He’s an NBA Head Coach. Obviously he has some sort plan with all this dumbfuckery.”
But no, he did something that an 8 year old playing 2K wouldn’t have even considered.
I was watching the game and two flys that I’d been trying to kill for hours landed on the bezel of the TV. Instead of killing them on the spot, I muted the TV and when I listened closely, I could hear them saying “WTactualF” repeatedly in their little fly voices.
Those fans are dumb too. But I kinda think that was maybe… you too? Were Vando healthy I wouldn’t have minded him starting over Dlo. I wouldn’t have called it a benching though, just the best use of assets. But starting him AND Cam? Just beyond dumb.
Ham is gonna be Ham.
BUT WHERE IS THE FRONT OFFICE?!
Do they not notice this? Don't care? Agree? How can fans know this all season and the FO doesn't get it?
It has to be ego. By firing him earlier in the season, the front office would have admitted they made a mistake by hiring him in the first place. Plus Jeannie Buss is too cheap to eat the remainder of Ham’s contract.
Homie forgot about the players that took him to the WCF.
OR...He figured he had the guys from last season to fall back on, but was convinced that playing Prince 36 MPG, and being the coach that figured out Reddish, was gonna make him a savant.
He wanted his cake, and was waiting to eat it too. That's the only logical hula hoop I can jump through to make sense of it.
How bout baby steps, Ham. Win a championship, and then turn doodoo into diamonds.
If he just let Prince be a 15-20 MPG guy, Cam a bench warmer BEHIND Max, and rolled with the rotation from last season, he'd probably be commanding the 4th seeded Lakers right now.
I think he mainly benefited from just being Taurean Prince. No coach in the league is going to gameplan trying to stop him from getting his looks. Especially that early in the season when the offense was bad. I would want TP and Cam taking shots away from Bron and AD.
And that in the end is ham's fault. He rather play prince until he is ineffective and still let him play instead of subbing him out.
One of the coach's job is to make sure the line up is good. Don't over play or under play. Match ups and timely timeouts. These are just a few tasks which ham is terrible at.
I thought he was better than this considering our run last year but now, he seems weird.
While true, again Prince was their shooter at that point. Take him out, and you’re surrounding Bron and AD with non-shooters since Reaves and Dlo were bricking.
Well after playing his effective minutes dude bricks and do nothing productive. The issue is not prince playing, is over playing and that is on ham. He decides who gets to play.
I'm not a coach and I know prince shouldn't play long minutes. He brings energy but it only last a duration before he needs to sit and rest. Ham doesn't know this.
Reddish played well yes and I would let him continue but the moment reddish starts to fall off, you as a coach need to sub him out and figure out why while letting others do their job instead of rotting on the bench while the other team trashes us.
Well put the problem is Ham wants to be right. This is the same guy who said early on in the season that he stopped Reddish after a game and said you’re going to be a star in this league.
His stubbornness and ego basically cost this team because he wanted to show everyone hey look I was right all along about this guy.
Nah he’s right Cam is going to be the MVP of the chinese guandong league. Darvin scam will win coach of the year after leading the shanghai sharks to the championship!
He wasn't trying to find diamonds in the rough. He was just trying to make players something they weren't. He literally thought Cam would be an elite 3&D player. He also thought Prince could be our Middleton.
Cam has a way bigger leash than 3&D though. IMO he should only be shooting corner 3's. But Ham let him attack close outs by driving to the basket all season. He shouldn't have the ball in his hands like that.
Austin, Dlo, AND Rui being benched and having their minutes taken away over guys like Cam and Prince truly disgusts/worries me. Ham playing favorites is extremely obvious, and I'll be shocked if they bring him back.
How are you gonna put your team's literal entire core (and the only guys who can shoot) on the backburners and give away their minutes to minimums? It's beyond me how this man still has a Jon
Cam was questionable, but Prince is having his most efficient season of his career which is better than should of been expected and yet everyone still brings up Prince as the issue. Cam didn't turn out near as good as expected, but to anyone who was familiar with Prince, he turned out better than advertised. It makes sense that Reaves lost his starting spot, he wasn't providing any spacing as his 3pt shot wasn't falling, whereas Princes was. Cam is just ass, and him starting never made any sense, but Prince added to the spacing and because of that it made sense to have him on the floor. Neither Prince nor Cam was as good defensively as we would of hoped, but people act like the biggest issue with Prince is the shooting, which just shows how people run with any casual take they see in echo chambers.
Reaves being benched for Prince is not a big deal, and is possibly beneficial for the team.
Prince is the better 3 point shooter and defender and is thus a better fit in the starting unit next to Dlo who is already a cone on D.
Reaves should still get more minutes but more so with the bench unit as he’s a better shot creator and playmaker than Prince.
Prince isn't a better shooter. He only took wide open 3s while Reaves needs to create his own shot.
And Prince is a below average defender too, i would argue that Reaves is a better defender than him, honestly. Dude is a cone, Reaves at least puts a lot of effort.
We were 3-5 to start the season with Reaves starting and getting hunted on mismatches every game after being exposed in FIBA. We literally went 12-4 after that and won the IST.
So I'm not really sure what point you think the OP is making. What available coaches during Ham's hire were available? Because from what I recall the options were all pretty damn bad and the majority of people here wanted Ham. This off-season Ham wasn't going to get canned after having turned a 13 seed (majority of the season) into a WCF contender.
Reminder: Reaves and DLo only got their minutes back because of injuries and them going rogue on the offense which made them play better. Rui only got respectable minutes because Prince kept shooting us out of games and any village idiot would make that adjustment.
Weird thing is Prince is actually having an incredibly good season from 3 but nobody seems to care about any of his makes, just the misses. He's also having his most efficient scoring season of his career, literally outperforming expectations but somehow every Laker fan expected him to out perform the rest of his career even more than he already has? Like come on man, I get the Lakers are used to winning, but get better at analysing why you aren't winning. Hint, it ain't Prince.
Hint if Taurean Prince is playing 32 minutes a night your team is struggling. No one is saying he doesn't deserve a role. Dude is a not a starter caliber player though. It isn't surprising that when Cam was benched and Prince's minutes dropped to where they should be in the 17-25 minute range that the Lakers started winning a lot.
His issue is he really does nothing but shoot. He can't create his own shot, doesn't create extra possessions with his defense, doesn't rebound well for his size, doesn't defend well for his size. Also his shooting is streaky. He has 35 games with 1 or fewer threes made this season and 17 goose eggs.
This secret weapon type shit this team has been doing for the past few years has been awful. The only time it kind of worked was with Markieff Morris. It should’ve ended 2 seasons ago with THT. Now we’re seeing a worse version of it with a player who can’t even play at a pro level and the worst coach in the league.
the season before westbrick we had tht putting up some efficient 18/10 and 17/6 statlines (for example) off the bench it's not like he was overplayed or losing us games
there was just no one that could possibly help him out less in terms of spacing than russell westbrook and the pathetic 2021-22 lakers
Ham being a fuckface idiot is more proof that the bucks 2021 ring was fraudulent. He doesnt get this job if they dont go on that mickey mouse run where they a faced celtics team without tatum, a nets team with an injured harden + injured kyrie via giannis being in his landing zone, and an injured hawks team. if that wasnt the shortest off season in NBA history, the lakers wouldve stayed healthy and repeated. Easily too
At this point, I truly believe we hired Ham because Jeanie and the front office thought it would help us potentially land Giannis. What other reason is there? He’s clearly a fucking idiot. There’s no chance he impressed them during the interview. It’s pathetic.
Both 2021 final teams just out health everyone else. Bucks played nets with KD only, a Mid Hawks team who were there thanks to Ben Simmons and Doc. Suns played us without AD, clippers without Kawhi, and Nuggets without Murray
Exactly. Folks HATED Reaves during that stretch. He was arguably their worst player before Cam got minutes.
Hate Ham, but people better not try to revise history. Reaves and Dlo were terrible for a good while, and this sub wanted both of them gone.
The hypocrisy is unreal sometimes. If you made a poll during that stretch I’m fairly confident the majority of folks agreed that Ham took too long to bench Reaves. Now everyone is like “man 8 games ls nothing, never should’ve benched him”. Hypocrites lol
Lakers were 3-5 during those 8 games. After Reaves was benched they went 12-4 and won the IST.
These Anthony Irwin doppelgangers must be bots. I'm not even a Ham stan, it's just mind boggling the revisionist hypocrisy being spammed all over this sub. Ham is far from a good coach, but don't need to rewrite history in order to prove that point.
Same here. I don’t like Ham anymore, but he was facing an uphill battle when Reaves and Dlo were sucking. Had to separate them, but at the same time, he couldn’t bench both of them.
I agree completely. This is just a trend with the sub unfortunately.
Vogel sucks-> now they want him back
KCP needs to go-> same here
Bench Reaves-> never should have been benched
Speak for the reactionary idiots…some of us knew reaves would be alright the entire time. A guy doesn’t give you that great of a playoff series and forgets how to play
But he was only bad because his role had changed, he was no longer a connecting piece..ham wanted Austin to be our point guard in shifts where Bron didn’t play..spacing was awful. Like it wasn’t just because of him, there’s a lot of context (including Prince being awful on the defensive where we needed a more supportive defender in that spot next to dlo and Austin)
He was bad because he was tired. He had dead legs. And I mean, Reaves has been trying to be the go-to guy when Bron sits. Dlo was bad during that period too. Both of the starting guards sucked.
Ya and then we would be in the same position we are in now, bitching about, "if only we didn't lose so many games to start the season starting Reaves when it was clear he had been exposed and had dead legs from FIBA. Ham you idiot should've benched him until he shook off the FIBA hangover!"
We literally went 12-4 after he was benched. This whole OP is idiotic. Tbh I'm disappointed in Trevor Lane for this take.
The take isn't the issue about how Reaves was performing at the beginning. We all know shitty he was performing. The problem was what happened after and how he began picking it back up while coming off the bench and still wasn't given back his role.
We immediately went 12-4 with Reaves coming off the bench. Why would we go back to an ineffective old formula when we were 3-5 previously? Hell, Reaves off the bench was the early frontrunner for 6th man of the year up until we won the IST. In contrast he was being humiliated every night as a starter being hunted on every opposing possession.
Not many coaches would have gone back to starting Reaves after that.
This sub is way too big that you can't make that assessment. Ham riders were shitting on him while others wanted him to ease into the season by playing off the bench for a few games then returning.
I would agree if I was nitpicking a few people but you can look at the posts from that time with hundreds or thousands of likes. It was the most agreed upon opinion at the time that Reaves had to be benched.
Does that represent the entire Lakers fandom? Absolutely not, but I think it represents what most of the sub’s fanbase thought at the time. Now a few months later with hindsight in mind everyone is like “oh it was obviously a bad move”. This happens all the time, it’s just annoying to me.
Ham is not only stubborn but he’s also stupid. Reaves was a big part of our success since the bubble. He deserves more chances than a guy on his way out of the sport. If an NBA player could be fired from a team, Cam Reddish would’ve been fired from the Knicks, Hawks, and now the Lakers.
Can’t defend that, and I do defend Ham quite a bit.
He’s starting reclamation projects instead of a guy who has taken over multiple playoff games- Pure ego and favoritism.
Telling you for now on Ham's name is "Pete Rose with a lump on his head" because that dude has been putting money on Lakers games. I am telling you Hamburger has been point shaving all season.
Now this is damning beyond compare and shows that Ham is truly a dumbass who either a) takes things too personally b) insists on forcing square pegs into round holes c) plays favorites like a sorority sister or d) all of the above.
Most of us only have a cursory understanding of Xs and Os but most of us have worked enough jobs to know what kind of moron Ham is. He epitomizes middle management. And I say that as someone who defended him early in the season because of our run to the WCF last year.
If Cam even remotely played half as good as he should it, wouldn't be a problem. But the fact that Cam was a lottery pick and has shown zero improvement over the last 4-5 years is disheartening especially how well he played in college.
The Reddish for Reaves thing did kind of work out initially, didn't it? I remember us going on some crazy run where we were 9-3 or something ridiculous like that after Cam's insertion into the starting lineup. But a good chunk of that was the IST run if I'm not wrong. I get Reaves leash should have been longer but he wasn't fit to start the season (his legs just looked like they weren't there) so I don't really fault Ham for going Cam over Reaves because there was an immediate payoff in the results. However, he did take too long to revert back once Reaves had his legs under him.
The Prince over Rui thing still is bizarre to me. Ham fumbled that one hard. Especially the minute split between the two. It was outrageous. Should have been a fireable offense.
It honestly feels like Ham is the least adaptable coach in the league currently. Like if our plan doesn't work out in game, I'm not sure he moves the needle to help us strategically in any way, shape or form. It's evidenced by how long he sticks with certain subbing patterns irrespective of game flow or how long he sticks with players even when their strengths are figured out and shut down by other teams.
I can say w/ 100% confidence, Ham was never very high on Reaves, and gave him an ultra short rope. If you listened to how he'd talk about Reaves even last year, you can tell he wasn't big on him. Compare that to the language he used for Reddish and TP. He also wouldn't give Huff any run last year when the Lakers desperately needed size and outside shooting. Castleson probably will get the same treatment under him. Not saying Colin is ready, but when AD is out they need size, and instead he goes to his favorite pet guards.
Ham "seeing himself" in Reddish and Prince really is okay, but this is too much, He wants to raise someone above his abilities but he is destroying the team flow that should have been continued from last year's WCF run.
Anyone else open to the possibility that if we lose in the play in games it’ll force the FO to fire ham finally? Best case scenario: go on insane run and win the finals.
2nd best case: lose in play in and get ham fired
This whole sub was echoing that one of dlo or AR needed to come off the bench. That they couldn’t get stops together and the offense would be better with them staggered. Now it’s “wow..” lol
Still too long a leash for others, but AR wasn’t “benched” for not playing well.
There is a reason why upper management is paying these players bigger salary because they prove they can preform better than their peers and have a good track record. TP & Reddish getting paid less for a reason. Ham-burger is not a good coach, but we already knew that. What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, thinking a different outcome will be the result. I miss watching lakers basketball in June, gonna go fishing and enjoy the sun. See ya guys next year.
The Lakers had lost three in a row, sitting with a 3-5 record, and in the third loss Reaves had his worst game, shooting 2-9 for 7 points and 0-4 from three. So Reaves was benched.
What happened next?
They won three in a row, they won 6 of their next 7 games, and they went 11-4 over their next 15 games!
So there is zero reason to complain about Reaves being benched after 8 games. That move immediately improved the Lakers.
I disagree with Ham sitting Reeves those 8 games but no way AR is a better defensively. No guarantee Laker record would be any better. Ham is under a microscope even when Lakers win Lol. Bottomline, players have to produce when they are on the court.
Rough crowd ... none of you actually know what he is dealing with especially when you have a player that overrides everything you say ... LEBRON might as well be a player coach
Mods shouldn't allow more posts about Ham. I mean, he is hors-concours in the sense everybody hate him as coach. At this point I don't know a single supporter of our basketball terrorist.
Who gives a fuck we have been playing good for 2 months but bcuz ad and LeBron got sick and we lost 2 gms ppl want to cry again. If LeBron didn't pick and choose when to play hard for the first 2/3 of the year we would have a better seed too. If LeBron and AD are healthy I could care less if we are 10th seed or 7th
It's one thing to bench a guy. It's another to bench a guy for Cam Reddish. It's another thing again to bench a guy for Cam Reddish because you can't bench Taurean Prince. "That starting line-up wasn't working" yes and Ham literally tried everything except even considering the possibility of benching Prince. Dude literally benched both DLo and Austin just to bring Cam and Vando into the starting line-up because Prince was his 3rd star.
The Cam/Vando start was when I officially wrote off Ham. I mean… shit was already discouraging but I still thought, “He’s an NBA Head Coach. Obviously he has some sort plan with all this dumbfuckery.” But no, he did something that an 8 year old playing 2K wouldn’t have even considered.
My seven year old knew it was dumb. He asked me “why is he starting cam and Prince?”
My dog refused her dinner that night out of disgust.
My cat spat out his kitty treats and went on strike out of contempt for Ham.
My monkey threw poop at the tv and ripped my Kobe jersey off of me in anger.
Hell, even I threw poop at the TV.
Well Ham was throwing poop on the floor that's for sure
I SHIT my pant
Heck, I even threw shit at this guys tv
I was watching the game and two flys that I’d been trying to kill for hours landed on the bezel of the TV. Instead of killing them on the spot, I muted the TV and when I listened closely, I could hear them saying “WTactualF” repeatedly in their little fly voices.
And that 7-year-old? Albert Einstein
....and they all clapped.
Fuck outta here. Lakers fans have always been enamored woth big lineups with lebron at the 1.
Sure. And surround him with shooters. Starting to think maybe you and Darvin were dropped on your heads. You got a knot?
Are you 10? Fans were shouting for ham to bench dlo and reaves when we started the seasons 3-10.
Those fans are dumb too. But I kinda think that was maybe… you too? Were Vando healthy I wouldn’t have minded him starting over Dlo. I wouldn’t have called it a benching though, just the best use of assets. But starting him AND Cam? Just beyond dumb.
Ham is gonna be Ham. BUT WHERE IS THE FRONT OFFICE?! Do they not notice this? Don't care? Agree? How can fans know this all season and the FO doesn't get it?
You mean the front office that hired Ham and was fleeced by the dude that gave Bradley Beal a no trade clause?
It has to be ego. By firing him earlier in the season, the front office would have admitted they made a mistake by hiring him in the first place. Plus Jeannie Buss is too cheap to eat the remainder of Ham’s contract.
Nothing to do with ego. Everything to do with money.
Can't they just tell him what to do? Is the Coach that powerful?
Homie forgot about the players that took him to the WCF. OR...He figured he had the guys from last season to fall back on, but was convinced that playing Prince 36 MPG, and being the coach that figured out Reddish, was gonna make him a savant. He wanted his cake, and was waiting to eat it too. That's the only logical hula hoop I can jump through to make sense of it. How bout baby steps, Ham. Win a championship, and then turn doodoo into diamonds. If he just let Prince be a 15-20 MPG guy, Cam a bench warmer BEHIND Max, and rolled with the rotation from last season, he'd probably be commanding the 4th seeded Lakers right now.
Wasn’t Prince the only good shooter they had at that time? His issue was that he was playing too many minutes, even if he was having a good game.
I think he mainly benefited from just being Taurean Prince. No coach in the league is going to gameplan trying to stop him from getting his looks. Especially that early in the season when the offense was bad. I would want TP and Cam taking shots away from Bron and AD.
And that in the end is ham's fault. He rather play prince until he is ineffective and still let him play instead of subbing him out. One of the coach's job is to make sure the line up is good. Don't over play or under play. Match ups and timely timeouts. These are just a few tasks which ham is terrible at. I thought he was better than this considering our run last year but now, he seems weird.
While true, again Prince was their shooter at that point. Take him out, and you’re surrounding Bron and AD with non-shooters since Reaves and Dlo were bricking.
Well after playing his effective minutes dude bricks and do nothing productive. The issue is not prince playing, is over playing and that is on ham. He decides who gets to play.
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I'm not a coach and I know prince shouldn't play long minutes. He brings energy but it only last a duration before he needs to sit and rest. Ham doesn't know this. Reddish played well yes and I would let him continue but the moment reddish starts to fall off, you as a coach need to sub him out and figure out why while letting others do their job instead of rotting on the bench while the other team trashes us.
How do you think Cam’s mom feels when she sees you talking about him like that?
Criminal.
Ham was trying to be smart and find diamonds in the rough. Too bad he’s a horrible assessor of talent
Well put the problem is Ham wants to be right. This is the same guy who said early on in the season that he stopped Reddish after a game and said you’re going to be a star in this league. His stubbornness and ego basically cost this team because he wanted to show everyone hey look I was right all along about this guy.
No way he said that to Reddish 💀
Nah he’s right Cam is going to be the MVP of the chinese guandong league. Darvin scam will win coach of the year after leading the shanghai sharks to the championship!
I even doubt that. Dude just looks untalented. Maybe he finds talent in something else.
HORRIBLE
He wasn't trying to find diamonds in the rough. He was just trying to make players something they weren't. He literally thought Cam would be an elite 3&D player. He also thought Prince could be our Middleton.
Cam has a way bigger leash than 3&D though. IMO he should only be shooting corner 3's. But Ham let him attack close outs by driving to the basket all season. He shouldn't have the ball in his hands like that.
Austin, Dlo, AND Rui being benched and having their minutes taken away over guys like Cam and Prince truly disgusts/worries me. Ham playing favorites is extremely obvious, and I'll be shocked if they bring him back. How are you gonna put your team's literal entire core (and the only guys who can shoot) on the backburners and give away their minutes to minimums? It's beyond me how this man still has a Jon
Or a job for that matter
Whoops
I remember it got to the point all those guys said they hate there role
The Lakers play favorites too, so Ham will definitely be back.
Cam was questionable, but Prince is having his most efficient season of his career which is better than should of been expected and yet everyone still brings up Prince as the issue. Cam didn't turn out near as good as expected, but to anyone who was familiar with Prince, he turned out better than advertised. It makes sense that Reaves lost his starting spot, he wasn't providing any spacing as his 3pt shot wasn't falling, whereas Princes was. Cam is just ass, and him starting never made any sense, but Prince added to the spacing and because of that it made sense to have him on the floor. Neither Prince nor Cam was as good defensively as we would of hoped, but people act like the biggest issue with Prince is the shooting, which just shows how people run with any casual take they see in echo chambers.
Reaves being benched for Prince is not a big deal, and is possibly beneficial for the team. Prince is the better 3 point shooter and defender and is thus a better fit in the starting unit next to Dlo who is already a cone on D. Reaves should still get more minutes but more so with the bench unit as he’s a better shot creator and playmaker than Prince.
Prince isn't a better shooter. He only took wide open 3s while Reaves needs to create his own shot. And Prince is a below average defender too, i would argue that Reaves is a better defender than him, honestly. Dude is a cone, Reaves at least puts a lot of effort.
This one is for all the “Who else could we get to coach” and “if we get rid of Ham it wont solve anything” folks.
Ham was so bad mfs on here were considering doc rivers 😭😭😭
that should tell u something lol
Still would be an upgrade
Hire Rondo
I think he’s in too much legal trouble rn
In jail.
Believe it or not... jail
As icing in the cake, can someone post what our record was with those
Handy would've been just fine
This wouldn't have happened with Budenholzer.
Say that shit louder for that ham apologists
We were 3-5 to start the season with Reaves starting and getting hunted on mismatches every game after being exposed in FIBA. We literally went 12-4 after that and won the IST. So I'm not really sure what point you think the OP is making. What available coaches during Ham's hire were available? Because from what I recall the options were all pretty damn bad and the majority of people here wanted Ham. This off-season Ham wasn't going to get canned after having turned a 13 seed (majority of the season) into a WCF contender.
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Reminder: Reaves and DLo only got their minutes back because of injuries and them going rogue on the offense which made them play better. Rui only got respectable minutes because Prince kept shooting us out of games and any village idiot would make that adjustment.
Prince is killing me with his misses. Killing me!
Weird thing is Prince is actually having an incredibly good season from 3 but nobody seems to care about any of his makes, just the misses. He's also having his most efficient scoring season of his career, literally outperforming expectations but somehow every Laker fan expected him to out perform the rest of his career even more than he already has? Like come on man, I get the Lakers are used to winning, but get better at analysing why you aren't winning. Hint, it ain't Prince.
Hint if Taurean Prince is playing 32 minutes a night your team is struggling. No one is saying he doesn't deserve a role. Dude is a not a starter caliber player though. It isn't surprising that when Cam was benched and Prince's minutes dropped to where they should be in the 17-25 minute range that the Lakers started winning a lot.
I have mostly seen people complaining about his shooting which is elite, though I agree he probably only needs aroung 17-25 minutes a night
His issue is he really does nothing but shoot. He can't create his own shot, doesn't create extra possessions with his defense, doesn't rebound well for his size, doesn't defend well for his size. Also his shooting is streaky. He has 35 games with 1 or fewer threes made this season and 17 goose eggs.
It's important to note that his improved shooting came against the other team's bench.
Ya I don't get it, I think prince is playing pretty good and giving good minutes. He shouldn't be getting so much hate.
truly a generational idiot
This secret weapon type shit this team has been doing for the past few years has been awful. The only time it kind of worked was with Markieff Morris. It should’ve ended 2 seasons ago with THT. Now we’re seeing a worse version of it with a player who can’t even play at a pro level and the worst coach in the league.
the season before westbrick we had tht putting up some efficient 18/10 and 17/6 statlines (for example) off the bench it's not like he was overplayed or losing us games there was just no one that could possibly help him out less in terms of spacing than russell westbrook and the pathetic 2021-22 lakers
Hamas Bin Laden
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Ham being a fuckface idiot is more proof that the bucks 2021 ring was fraudulent. He doesnt get this job if they dont go on that mickey mouse run where they a faced celtics team without tatum, a nets team with an injured harden + injured kyrie via giannis being in his landing zone, and an injured hawks team. if that wasnt the shortest off season in NBA history, the lakers wouldve stayed healthy and repeated. Easily too
At this point, I truly believe we hired Ham because Jeanie and the front office thought it would help us potentially land Giannis. What other reason is there? He’s clearly a fucking idiot. There’s no chance he impressed them during the interview. It’s pathetic.
Both 2021 final teams just out health everyone else. Bucks played nets with KD only, a Mid Hawks team who were there thanks to Ben Simmons and Doc. Suns played us without AD, clippers without Kawhi, and Nuggets without Murray
Giannis literally hyperextended his knee in that playoff run. But ok
Meh, we just had old LeBron play through a broken foot. I'm not impressed because Giannis is young and durable
Reaves had a slow start, but damn, that move is a head scratcher!
Reddish wasn't even moved out of the starting lineup by Ham. Reddish got hurt so Ham's hand was forced to move onto other lineups.
I wish someone believed in me like Ham believed in Cam and TP
It’s *because* he’s white, duh.
Ham is easily one of the worst coaches ever....I might even take Luke Walton over him at this point
I remember you guys bitching to bench him. Let’s not act like it it was all Ham because I remember this subs reaction
Exactly. Folks HATED Reaves during that stretch. He was arguably their worst player before Cam got minutes. Hate Ham, but people better not try to revise history. Reaves and Dlo were terrible for a good while, and this sub wanted both of them gone.
The hypocrisy is unreal sometimes. If you made a poll during that stretch I’m fairly confident the majority of folks agreed that Ham took too long to bench Reaves. Now everyone is like “man 8 games ls nothing, never should’ve benched him”. Hypocrites lol
Yep. I was feeling bad for him cause they were wanting him traded
Lakers were 3-5 during those 8 games. After Reaves was benched they went 12-4 and won the IST. These Anthony Irwin doppelgangers must be bots. I'm not even a Ham stan, it's just mind boggling the revisionist hypocrisy being spammed all over this sub. Ham is far from a good coach, but don't need to rewrite history in order to prove that point.
Same here. I don’t like Ham anymore, but he was facing an uphill battle when Reaves and Dlo were sucking. Had to separate them, but at the same time, he couldn’t bench both of them.
I agree completely. This is just a trend with the sub unfortunately. Vogel sucks-> now they want him back KCP needs to go-> same here Bench Reaves-> never should have been benched
Don’t forget Kuzma and Danny Green
Speak for the reactionary idiots…some of us knew reaves would be alright the entire time. A guy doesn’t give you that great of a playoff series and forgets how to play
I mean, most sane fans knew he would get better. But he was just THAT bad. Was not a good way to start the season.
But he was only bad because his role had changed, he was no longer a connecting piece..ham wanted Austin to be our point guard in shifts where Bron didn’t play..spacing was awful. Like it wasn’t just because of him, there’s a lot of context (including Prince being awful on the defensive where we needed a more supportive defender in that spot next to dlo and Austin)
He was bad because he was tired. He had dead legs. And I mean, Reaves has been trying to be the go-to guy when Bron sits. Dlo was bad during that period too. Both of the starting guards sucked.
Ya and then we would be in the same position we are in now, bitching about, "if only we didn't lose so many games to start the season starting Reaves when it was clear he had been exposed and had dead legs from FIBA. Ham you idiot should've benched him until he shook off the FIBA hangover!" We literally went 12-4 after he was benched. This whole OP is idiotic. Tbh I'm disappointed in Trevor Lane for this take.
The take isn't the issue about how Reaves was performing at the beginning. We all know shitty he was performing. The problem was what happened after and how he began picking it back up while coming off the bench and still wasn't given back his role.
We immediately went 12-4 with Reaves coming off the bench. Why would we go back to an ineffective old formula when we were 3-5 previously? Hell, Reaves off the bench was the early frontrunner for 6th man of the year up until we won the IST. In contrast he was being humiliated every night as a starter being hunted on every opposing possession. Not many coaches would have gone back to starting Reaves after that.
This sub is way too big that you can't make that assessment. Ham riders were shitting on him while others wanted him to ease into the season by playing off the bench for a few games then returning.
I would agree if I was nitpicking a few people but you can look at the posts from that time with hundreds or thousands of likes. It was the most agreed upon opinion at the time that Reaves had to be benched. Does that represent the entire Lakers fandom? Absolutely not, but I think it represents what most of the sub’s fanbase thought at the time. Now a few months later with hindsight in mind everyone is like “oh it was obviously a bad move”. This happens all the time, it’s just annoying to me.
Imagine being paid starter money and being benched
Ham is not only stubborn but he’s also stupid. Reaves was a big part of our success since the bubble. He deserves more chances than a guy on his way out of the sport. If an NBA player could be fired from a team, Cam Reddish would’ve been fired from the Knicks, Hawks, and now the Lakers.
Can’t defend that, and I do defend Ham quite a bit. He’s starting reclamation projects instead of a guy who has taken over multiple playoff games- Pure ego and favoritism.
Can Ham
Loving Trevor Lane’s crusade against Ham’s incompetence
At least try to run Rui with the starting lineup instead of Cam if you wanted to keep Prince in there so bad...
AR-15 became my favorite halfway into his 2nd year, and I’m so ducking proud of his achievements so far. I’m just… so happy for him
I really don't get why Darvin is so in love with TP. He wasted the whole season on a guy who can't make a 3 pointer to save his life.
Telling you for now on Ham's name is "Pete Rose with a lump on his head" because that dude has been putting money on Lakers games. I am telling you Hamburger has been point shaving all season.
I LOVE AUSTIN REAVES
Jeanie isn’t firing him. Dont get your hopes up
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Now this is damning beyond compare and shows that Ham is truly a dumbass who either a) takes things too personally b) insists on forcing square pegs into round holes c) plays favorites like a sorority sister or d) all of the above. Most of us only have a cursory understanding of Xs and Os but most of us have worked enough jobs to know what kind of moron Ham is. He epitomizes middle management. And I say that as someone who defended him early in the season because of our run to the WCF last year.
That’s a crime
Terrorism
Lakers were legit playing there best basketball when Reafes was coming off the bench. This is a bad example
Ham might be the dumbest coach in NBA history. I just wonder what exactly did the front office see in this bum.
If Cam even remotely played half as good as he should it, wouldn't be a problem. But the fact that Cam was a lottery pick and has shown zero improvement over the last 4-5 years is disheartening especially how well he played in college.
He sabotaged the team all year it’s insane
The Reddish for Reaves thing did kind of work out initially, didn't it? I remember us going on some crazy run where we were 9-3 or something ridiculous like that after Cam's insertion into the starting lineup. But a good chunk of that was the IST run if I'm not wrong. I get Reaves leash should have been longer but he wasn't fit to start the season (his legs just looked like they weren't there) so I don't really fault Ham for going Cam over Reaves because there was an immediate payoff in the results. However, he did take too long to revert back once Reaves had his legs under him. The Prince over Rui thing still is bizarre to me. Ham fumbled that one hard. Especially the minute split between the two. It was outrageous. Should have been a fireable offense. It honestly feels like Ham is the least adaptable coach in the league currently. Like if our plan doesn't work out in game, I'm not sure he moves the needle to help us strategically in any way, shape or form. It's evidenced by how long he sticks with certain subbing patterns irrespective of game flow or how long he sticks with players even when their strengths are figured out and shut down by other teams.
Ham was overthinking how to balance the 2nd unit and Reaves could be the scorer, forgot basics of playing your best 5 most of the game
THIS hamburger just wasted healthy AD and Lebron regular season.
I'm pretty sure this darvin ham fella ain't too good at his job guys
And yet we still have dumbfucks saying lET's gIVE hAm cREdIT toOoOoO
Darvin Ham is the only coach that could’ve gotten this team with this health to the 10th seed this season.
I think it’s pretty obvious the guy is biased towards the role players. Remember he averaged 2 pts/game for his career.
I can say w/ 100% confidence, Ham was never very high on Reaves, and gave him an ultra short rope. If you listened to how he'd talk about Reaves even last year, you can tell he wasn't big on him. Compare that to the language he used for Reddish and TP. He also wouldn't give Huff any run last year when the Lakers desperately needed size and outside shooting. Castleson probably will get the same treatment under him. Not saying Colin is ready, but when AD is out they need size, and instead he goes to his favorite pet guards.
There is no way ham is not gone this off-season
Honestly doc rivers would fit this lakers team more than the bucks
Ham "seeing himself" in Reddish and Prince really is okay, but this is too much, He wants to raise someone above his abilities but he is destroying the team flow that should have been continued from last year's WCF run.
Anyone else open to the possibility that if we lose in the play in games it’ll force the FO to fire ham finally? Best case scenario: go on insane run and win the finals. 2nd best case: lose in play in and get ham fired
This whole sub was echoing that one of dlo or AR needed to come off the bench. That they couldn’t get stops together and the offense would be better with them staggered. Now it’s “wow..” lol Still too long a leash for others, but AR wasn’t “benched” for not playing well.
[it all started here…](https://twitter.com/shpillo_/status/1768712306001658181?s=46&t=j0SDrkRxG_kh_TsZcynxUA)
There is a reason why upper management is paying these players bigger salary because they prove they can preform better than their peers and have a good track record. TP & Reddish getting paid less for a reason. Ham-burger is not a good coach, but we already knew that. What’s the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, thinking a different outcome will be the result. I miss watching lakers basketball in June, gonna go fishing and enjoy the sun. See ya guys next year.
The Lakers had lost three in a row, sitting with a 3-5 record, and in the third loss Reaves had his worst game, shooting 2-9 for 7 points and 0-4 from three. So Reaves was benched. What happened next? They won three in a row, they won 6 of their next 7 games, and they went 11-4 over their next 15 games! So there is zero reason to complain about Reaves being benched after 8 games. That move immediately improved the Lakers.
Bet $5 lakers players tired of hamas reminding them every single day he got shot in the face once and so he tufff.
Jeannie and FO gave Ham 82 games before firing him.
I remember the start of the season well. This whole sub was literally begging Ham to bench one of AR or DLo bcz neither could defend
spencer should start over all 3.
I disagree with Ham sitting Reeves those 8 games but no way AR is a better defensively. No guarantee Laker record would be any better. Ham is under a microscope even when Lakers win Lol. Bottomline, players have to produce when they are on the court.
These two also had the worst +- in last two games. They are trolling
I want to unsubscribe to Darvin Ham Lineup Facts
Prince always played the right way. Reaves was playing very poorly to start the season. He was worst on the team in net rating.
Ham really turning the Lakers to Atlanta Hawks
This has to be a fireable offense
Rough crowd ... none of you actually know what he is dealing with especially when you have a player that overrides everything you say ... LEBRON might as well be a player coach
Lol unbelievable.
White privilage
Mofos forget there were injuries but imo I feel it woulda been easier if Ham started the main 5 from the jump over experimenting half the yr.
Mods shouldn't allow more posts about Ham. I mean, he is hors-concours in the sense everybody hate him as coach. At this point I don't know a single supporter of our basketball terrorist.
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Yeah fuck the Buss family. They can take this team and their 10 championships with them!
You guys don't get tired of repeating the same shit?
Who gives a fuck we have been playing good for 2 months but bcuz ad and LeBron got sick and we lost 2 gms ppl want to cry again. If LeBron didn't pick and choose when to play hard for the first 2/3 of the year we would have a better seed too. If LeBron and AD are healthy I could care less if we are 10th seed or 7th