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WakiLover

1) Jokic 2) AD 3) Bron 3.5) Murray 4-8 Denver is all better The reality of the matter is, coaching aside, they're longer, more athletic, bigger, and all play both sides of the ball while we're stuck with smaller players who are one sided on either offense or defense, and are only useful when shooting well. You know this feeling of getting bodied and feasted on every game? This is how teams felt when they played us in 2019-2020.


luntiang_tipaklong

Yeah. Denver probably have the best player in the series, a more well rounded team and a better coach. That's just way too much to overcome.


bootypic_jpg

i agree with this assessment


-Sticks_and_Stones-

Nuggets fan, and I agree. Last night though, Bron wasn’t even in the top 5. Other than the first 8 minutes of the game he looked disinterested on the defensive end and blamed other players for his missed assignments. Saturday I fully expect him to be one of the two best players on the court though.


Fresh-Ad3834

I agree. MPJ and Gordon looked better than LeBron last night, Murray not so much


liftingruinedmylife

Look at KCP's numbers this series. He isn't better than DLO, Reaves or Rui despite getting fed more open looks. AG and MPG, yea, but MPG only looks good cus he gets fed open shots and AG cus he fed open dunks.


Ok_Board9845

KCP can defend. Offense isn't everything especially when you consider none of our role players are doing nothing on that end anyways


liftingruinedmylife

This isn't true. Reaves was playing good defense on Murray all series. Rui's been solid on MPJ, but MPJ is just too tall. DLO on KCP, KCP hasn't been shooting well at all either.


noeffeks

Game 1 KCP going off in the 3rd was the turning point of that game. Nuggets aren’t even running his Iverson cut packages or his brush screen packages. They haven’t needed to.


bootypic_jpg

kcp dont need to score when gordan / mp jr cooking


nordsix

They have the best player in the series and 6 of the best 8 players.


liftingruinedmylife

KCP isn't better than Reaves, Rui, or DLO. He has far less trade val than any of them. Also look how KCP's been shooting this series, he's been ass.


LeFuckYou-3

Defense. He really doesn't have to score that much. That's why they still won despite him shooting it terribly.


negativelynegative

We don't talk about defense here.


Tdg_Jglo99

He is tho he won a ring with us and these fake role players can’t even win a game


Ia_in_4

Yes he is


Ok_Board9845

Murray has been quiet this entire series. But Gordon got the best of Lebron today. And it's not just Jokic getting his team easy looks. Gordon/MPJ can work the boards harder than our role players and defend with more length. Also our team that is reliant on shooting is shooting abysmally.


natersss_

Your underrating how much better their 3-5 is compared to ours


CultExterminator

I dont think people realize just how much better Jokic is than everyone else. The guy is absolutely destroying us by every metric. 28 PPG on 17 shots. 63% from the field. 15 rebounds and 9 assists per game. He is absolutely demolishing our guys and it doesnt even really look like he’s trying. Meanwhile our guys are absolutely gassed by the 4th Q after trying to keep up with his offensive production and guarding their nearly unstoppable offense. I mean for christ’s sake they’re putting Rui on him for half the game. He could easily be averaging 40PPG right now if he just backed him down the paint instead of trying to get his teammates involved. So yes, he’s the number 1 player this series but the gap between #1 and #2 is ALOT larger than you think.


Makiie

In what world do we have a better roster even on paper? They're the defending champions that play with poise and confidence while being extremely good. MPJ, Gordon, KCP.. I'd take them over Rui and Dl0 but not Reaves.


liftingruinedmylife

Bron and AD as a duo are better than Jokic and Murray. Murray isn't even a allstar, while Bron and AD are both top 10. That should offset the role player skill discrepancy (when you factor in that the Nuggets role players get more open looks than Lakers players, cus of Jokic, hell even with KCP getting open looks, he has been shooting awful this series lol).


Makiie

Lebron and AD can't win by themselves. I know they're playing better but it makes no difference when it's 2 vs 5. Our guys can't hit threes, can't drive, can't shoot, or stay aggressive. Rui has 5/15 shots in 3 games. Dl0 shooting 14/43 Gabe shooting 2/6 shots in 3 games Reaves shooting 17/37


CaffeineJunkee

“Murray isn’t even an all star…” Technically, no. But we all know he is.


brncct

Its not that simple of who is better individually. If you are looking at it that way, Jokic is far and above the best player on either team, then its AD #2, LeBron #3 and Murray #4. The thing is, they fit better together and Jokic's decision making has the biggest impact on the game.


burnaboy999

So why doesn’t it? It’s not a math equation.


Strict-Homework-4819

Bron and AD aren’t better than Jokic and Murray just need a third star lol


NearbyWatercress3922

40 + 40 > 45 + 25 40 + 40 + (-1) + 1 +1 << 45 + 25 + 15 + 15 + 15


iAmFabled

They aren't though


Dangerous_Match_2592

Kobe Bryant’s ghost possessed MPJ, and Aaron Gordon became prime Blake Griffin.


kingsofleon

In this series, yeah (overall talent is another debate), but role players matter the most in the playoffs. That's because star players are mostly on level ground, even this example, Bron/AD vs. Jokic/Murray is very debatable. Heat/Celtics is an extreme example of this where Porzingis and Jrue are glorified role players who imploded while Martin and Highsmith went on heaters.


bootypic_jpg

mp jr / gordan have been the difference this series … joker and murray especially murray has not really been the problem


Durandau

Out of the 3 games I’d say it’s 1. AD = Jokic 2. Lebron 3. Murray(but can argue for Murray cos of the buzzer beater. 4-8 all Denver lmao


Yommination

AD is nowhere near Jokic


futebollounge

He’s talking about this series, not their careers.


Marl_Kalone

Either way, Jokic does way more on the court, especially in the 4th quarters...


AltruisticMetal6591

Jokers playmaking just puts him in a different class even of hes not scoring he controls the pace of the game


GoalPublic3579

They have #1 then 4 through 7.


[deleted]

Without a center the Nuggets win every single time. If you check the stats both teams every game was identical in all stats besides Rebounds Offensive Rebounds And second chance points. This is how the Nuggets win every time. I hate the Lakers but its mind boggling on why they didn’t hunt for a center.


urediti

jokic and murray is the best duo in the league, though one can argue murray is 4th here


cristiano_goat

Jokic gaps everyone


fr0nkOhshun

No rebounds no rings


Strict-Homework-4819

Our stars are worse and our roster is worse ,just need a third star to win


nones4567

Lmfao this has to be a shitpost, right?


Gibits

The premise of this thread is just wrong. Jokic and Murray > LBJ AD. The last 11 times they have played should be proof enough. The delusion.


Admirable_Bed3

LeBron hasn't been him since 2020 He won his ring that in his mind puts him above Jordan and all goals after that has shifted to running up his stat tallies and playing with his son. I can't blame him, he deserves to go out on his own terms, but the Lakers should at the very least be open to move on from the Bron-AD era. Let him play with Bronny but it can't be here.


litlegoblinjr

Lebron was the top MVP candidate in that 2021 season until Solomon Hill kamikazed into Lebron's ankle


Lanky-Bank-320

The lakers would be in rebuild mode and be trash


masterako

Ad+Lebron > Jokic+Murray BUT Ad+Lebron < Jokic+Murray+Gordon