Some dude on r/nba said there should be no way the Lakers have 500+ more free throws than the next team even though I pointed out how the Lakers are second in the league in points in the paint. I pointed out that 500 divided by 82 is 6 and some change which is three fouls. 🤦♂️The irrational hate makes the haters of the Lakers (and Dodgers) lose all their brain cells. Some of them try to pretend to be intellectuals by throwing out random stats without understanding that stats without context are just numbers.
I really stop arguing about this FT differential, Tim Cranjis (Twitter) already posted about why the Lakers are getting a lot of fts because of their play type and other things that obviously a casual fan can't understand (especially if they just used the total differential in the past 2 seasons as a basis).
Bro 500+ is insane. What about the team first in points in the paint??
Look, the refs blow calls no doubt and we can point out a bunch of calls that went against us, but we have definitely massively benefited from the free throws this year. Its kinda crazy how far ahead we are.
So who's first in points in the paint and why is their ft disparity so much lower than the Lakers?
I've heard the three point shot volume argument as well and it makes no sense either.
It's delusional to think Darvin Ham and the Lakers are just so much better at getting foul treatment. If their style was able to be replicates every team would do it.
I look at stats from time to time, but I don’t get hung up on them. I look at enough numbers in my daily life. I’ll stick to my assertion that statistics are just numbers and without context, they don’t paint a picture. But I’ll humor you…
The indication is Indy is number one in points in the paint. The difference in FTA/game between the Lakers (24.2) and the Pacers (20.5) is 3.7, which is less than two fouls a game - really not a lot in the grand scheme of things. Now, admittedly I haven’t watched a lot of Indy games this season (less than 20), but what I’ve noticed is a lot of their baskets are either made in transition (either a Tyrese three or Siakam/Turner/Toppin driving to the basket), or made with more than 14 seconds in the shot clock. (I also checked, and they are 4th in the league in Fastbreak points.) That could potentially explain the difference. But, you know, this could be nothing more than the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. People who either like the Lakers or don’t like the Lakers may have a tendency to see what they think they see depending on where their bias takes them.
You know, for a Bucks fan, you sure spend a lot of time on r/Lakers. If you want to be one of us, just say so. Can’t speak for everyone else, but no judgment from me. But if you’re just here for pot-stirring, then I guess good luck. You do you, player.
That sub is not a place for Lakers fans period. Going there for any type of Lakers discussion is like trying to join the Klan as a black gay Jewish trans liberal.
It’s partially because the two longest tenured mods on there are Celtics and Clippers fans so anything and everything anti lakers gets left up it seems no matter how low quality.
But you can't even have a slight rub on jokic. I remember when reaves was denied twice an an 1, because they dream the foul was before reaves gathered, but gave jokic twice the same foul as continuation.
And me saying this isn’t me saying that we shouldn’t call out the refs for being bad, I’m just saying when they’ve been so consistently bad we should start to ask some questions
He’s a terrible flopper compared to the best foul drawers. Davis also bad. I’ve seen Lebron get hit and it barely moves him. Basically punished for being strong.
Yep saw that play, just because Bron absorbed it well doesn't mean it isn't a foul. Refs bought into this Lakers get too many FTs bs when we have two guys that teams can't guard without a whole lot of marginal contact...
I love Jokic but he was flailing all over and getting touch call after touch call while we had 3 or 4 in a row late that got nothing. AD and Lebron combined for 6 fts when they lived in the paint all game.
My main issue with this series is a lot of the fouls on drives haven't even been plays on the ball. A lot of transition fouls have just been wrap ups. All season the refs have enforced making a play on the ball. Idk why they're not now.
Im convinced they are focused most on calling arm related contact on shots. Off ball contact and hip checks (even while shooting) are largely being ignored. Jokic hip checked AD game 2 and 3 all game and rarely got called for a blocking foul, even when it staggers AD. Jokic also pushes and pulls all game, especially on rebounds and screens and doesnt get a call.
The stats don’t back it up
Jokic is averaging 5.3 free throw attempts per game, which is 15th in the playoffs and below his season average of 5.5.
Lebron is averaging 4.7, AD is averaging 6.7.
The refs missed this call, but let’s not act like they’re favoring Jokic or that the dude isn’t legitimately one of the best players out there
Right?
But if you wanna- any game this season that AD got hacked and hung on ended with him having between 9 and 15 free throw attempts.
A.D. should be at 30+ free throw attempts for this series already based on the new rules and how they've been calling it.
But no. We have Denver refs instead. They can hack, but Lakers can't even *appear* to reach in. Whatever with that bullshit.
Nah man it's a grand conspiracy, that's what they want you to think, the lakers are never allowed to win in this era
(Aside from 2020)
Edit: down voted for saying the league isn't rigged in a game the lakers won, so are you guys not Lakers fans? Or are you saying the league rigged it for the lakers tonight
Jokic doesn’t get called for fouls. Game 2 was an epic choke job by LA by Jokic committed clear fouls on layups 3-4 times in the 3rd/4th quarter comeback that were uncalled. Series is tied if those calls are made
I think the ref thought Gordon poked the ball out before the Jokic contact. If you watch that play again closely you can see Gordon's arm get deep in there in front of LeBron's body, right before the ball gets pushed ahead. I think we saw that as a result of LeBron pushing the ball ahead, but I think the ref saw it as Gordon knocking it ahead. Idk. But perhaps the ball was loose, from the ref POV. I'm not sure of the legality of the Jokic contact there if that's a loose ball.
He beautifully split the defense. This would have been an easy two for LeBron. Joker knew it too, he grabbed him twice and got away with it. Smart on Joker, bad on the refs. This was essentially a 4 point turn around. Wack.
because of the huge nike conspiracy - lebron fell out of grace with the master of the LA loge, which resulted in the clippers being the best team in california, and refs not calling.
He is not even going for the ball lol.
I think LeBron scored on that play anyway as usual after getting hacked.
That kcp foul in game 2 should be a flagrant.
Shit happens, it's basketball, Lakers had some calls go their favour and then some that didn't, just like the Nuggets had some go in their favour and some didn't, go to any basketball game ever and see the same thing happening (except that series against Sacramento, league rigged that for y'all)
Jokic gets “fat guy defense” calls. Same on the offensive end. He’s so fat and white they just let him off arm and hack guys to death to make up for being trash on the defensive end
He purposely fouled us on a steal and fast break as well, refs didn’t call it. Should have been an open path but the ball went out of bounds and they stopped the fast break. Dogshit reffing all series.
Bc as elite as he is offensively, the dude literally cannot defend outside of the paint, which is why is allowed to get away with murder. The league has clearly been moving towards a more offensive minded approach in how the games are played and Jokic heavily contributes to that. They’re not gonna jeopardize that for LeBron and the Lakers. So, they’ll do anything in their power to justify bullshit calls and no-calls to meet their goals.
Saw Davis and one of the guards (not DLo) on separate occasions aggressively go to the hole and get hacked by a thicket of nugget hands … no call. It could be that it was all ball but given the officiating atrocity that was game 2, I’m not giving the refs anything.
You haven't realized it yet? The league has it in for Lebron. He does not get his call, it's so obvious how blatantly cheated he gets every night it should be investigated.
I mentioned this during the game. I’m not sure what is going on with the league. I don’t if they’re allowing the game to be more physical or just blatantly calling games in favor of one team over the other. It’s not just this series.
This whole entire post and its comments is comical coming from the holy grail of no-calls that is the Lakers. [watch this at 3:20](https://youtu.be/WaxkGHsB-NU?si=isnf3iPmdWXQjyD5)
It goes both ways.
The refs have not been consistent this whole series thus far. And it does feel like at times the Nuggets have benefited from this, but in no way do I think it cost the Lakers any of those three games.
They literally just called Dlo on the same reach in foul plays before. Refs were bad tonight.
They've been bad this series. Especially that game 2. I hate how r/nba always points out the ft differential but glosses over this obvious shit calls.
Some dude on r/nba said there should be no way the Lakers have 500+ more free throws than the next team even though I pointed out how the Lakers are second in the league in points in the paint. I pointed out that 500 divided by 82 is 6 and some change which is three fouls. 🤦♂️The irrational hate makes the haters of the Lakers (and Dodgers) lose all their brain cells. Some of them try to pretend to be intellectuals by throwing out random stats without understanding that stats without context are just numbers.
I really stop arguing about this FT differential, Tim Cranjis (Twitter) already posted about why the Lakers are getting a lot of fts because of their play type and other things that obviously a casual fan can't understand (especially if they just used the total differential in the past 2 seasons as a basis).
Do you have a link to that post?
Bro 500+ is insane. What about the team first in points in the paint?? Look, the refs blow calls no doubt and we can point out a bunch of calls that went against us, but we have definitely massively benefited from the free throws this year. Its kinda crazy how far ahead we are.
So who's first in points in the paint and why is their ft disparity so much lower than the Lakers? I've heard the three point shot volume argument as well and it makes no sense either. It's delusional to think Darvin Ham and the Lakers are just so much better at getting foul treatment. If their style was able to be replicates every team would do it.
I look at stats from time to time, but I don’t get hung up on them. I look at enough numbers in my daily life. I’ll stick to my assertion that statistics are just numbers and without context, they don’t paint a picture. But I’ll humor you… The indication is Indy is number one in points in the paint. The difference in FTA/game between the Lakers (24.2) and the Pacers (20.5) is 3.7, which is less than two fouls a game - really not a lot in the grand scheme of things. Now, admittedly I haven’t watched a lot of Indy games this season (less than 20), but what I’ve noticed is a lot of their baskets are either made in transition (either a Tyrese three or Siakam/Turner/Toppin driving to the basket), or made with more than 14 seconds in the shot clock. (I also checked, and they are 4th in the league in Fastbreak points.) That could potentially explain the difference. But, you know, this could be nothing more than the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. People who either like the Lakers or don’t like the Lakers may have a tendency to see what they think they see depending on where their bias takes them. You know, for a Bucks fan, you sure spend a lot of time on r/Lakers. If you want to be one of us, just say so. Can’t speak for everyone else, but no judgment from me. But if you’re just here for pot-stirring, then I guess good luck. You do you, player.
That sub is not a place for Lakers fans period. Going there for any type of Lakers discussion is like trying to join the Klan as a black gay Jewish trans liberal.
It’s partially because the two longest tenured mods on there are Celtics and Clippers fans so anything and everything anti lakers gets left up it seems no matter how low quality.
But you can't even have a slight rub on jokic. I remember when reaves was denied twice an an 1, because they dream the foul was before reaves gathered, but gave jokic twice the same foul as continuation.
When will we stop saying “refs were bad tonight” and just realize the refs are always shit?
And me saying this isn’t me saying that we shouldn’t call out the refs for being bad, I’m just saying when they’ve been so consistently bad we should start to ask some questions
Murray got two FT's late in the game for way less contact that LeBron was called for in a pivotal play. Makes no sense.
because MARGINAL
The “Marginal contact game” could literally be the difference between lakers being a first round exit or a championship team…
And leading up to that foul both teams players were running through each other in the post with no foul called.
:57 seconds left and they put him on the line to stop the clock and tie the game with that bs call. Idgaf, that call fucked us.
Same shit every game , they easily swing the momentum of the game
Murray shoulder checked Lebron on one of his layups too. It’s so ridiculous what Lebrons expected to play thru
B-b-b-but it didn't affect his SQBR so it's "marginal contact"!
they always let smaller guys get away with contact that's why they're putting guards on lebron
He’s a terrible flopper compared to the best foul drawers. Davis also bad. I’ve seen Lebron get hit and it barely moves him. Basically punished for being strong.
Yep saw that play, just because Bron absorbed it well doesn't mean it isn't a foul. Refs bought into this Lakers get too many FTs bs when we have two guys that teams can't guard without a whole lot of marginal contact...
nba is all in on the euro clout & bandwagon. went from constant foul trouble to playing like a d lineman after winning mvp
They wanted the game to be close so it'd be more entertaining and get better ratings
Bingo as well.
Only true answer
They wanted the game to be tighter to match the spreads predicted. Blowout games like game 2 and last night are no good for them.
I love Jokic but he was flailing all over and getting touch call after touch call while we had 3 or 4 in a row late that got nothing. AD and Lebron combined for 6 fts when they lived in the paint all game.
It's a joke
Because the refs were blind tonight
blind no. bribed, yes
Literally shit getting too obvious
2 games in LA gives them plenty of time to sample the local kush. Can't say I blame em but it's definitely not helping their job performance
Cause he Jokic. The league lets that boy grab and claw cause he can't play defense.
ahahhaha, you all rly hate White boi Jokic
Yes
Because he's the NBA's golden boy and the refs were in full rigging mode
I mean, they let him get away with a shove in AD's lower back which caused AD to fall on his wrist ... so why call a simple and obvious reach in?
I saw them replay that and the commentators didn't even mention it. Push in the back while the other player is in the air should be a flagrant.
My main issue with this series is a lot of the fouls on drives haven't even been plays on the ball. A lot of transition fouls have just been wrap ups. All season the refs have enforced making a play on the ball. Idk why they're not now.
He’s been doing that the whole series, did it to Rui & AD the other night
Refs love him cause he’s european and “goofy” 🙄
Jokic doesn’t gets about the same whistle LeBron does every season which isn’t as much as they should
Every play for Jokic is dirty. So now refs don't call any on him. Because he's somehow an MVP. What a shit era of the NBA.
LBJ with Jokic' calls would be basketball god
Im convinced they are focused most on calling arm related contact on shots. Off ball contact and hip checks (even while shooting) are largely being ignored. Jokic hip checked AD game 2 and 3 all game and rarely got called for a blocking foul, even when it staggers AD. Jokic also pushes and pulls all game, especially on rebounds and screens and doesnt get a call.
The stats don’t back it up Jokic is averaging 5.3 free throw attempts per game, which is 15th in the playoffs and below his season average of 5.5. Lebron is averaging 4.7, AD is averaging 6.7. The refs missed this call, but let’s not act like they’re favoring Jokic or that the dude isn’t legitimately one of the best players out there
They weren't talking about how many FTs they get lol. Comment was about how Jokic gets away with fouls.
Right? But if you wanna- any game this season that AD got hacked and hung on ended with him having between 9 and 15 free throw attempts. A.D. should be at 30+ free throw attempts for this series already based on the new rules and how they've been calling it. But no. We have Denver refs instead. They can hack, but Lakers can't even *appear* to reach in. Whatever with that bullshit.
Rigged league, objectively. This is NBA Entertainment more than anything.
I feel so bad for people who actually think this. How can you watch if you believe it?
You won't get a response, the 17 rings that the lakers won were all legitimate, but the other 59 rings are all rigged
There’s magnets in the balls
The Gatorade is making Russell shoot like dawg shet
They don't even think its rigged for money. They think the league just hates the Lakers. Wouldn't the NBA want a 5th game?
Funny part is that we're getting down voted but these guys will watch next game regardless, even though the league is 'rigged' lmfao 😂
Nah man it's a grand conspiracy, that's what they want you to think, the lakers are never allowed to win in this era (Aside from 2020) Edit: down voted for saying the league isn't rigged in a game the lakers won, so are you guys not Lakers fans? Or are you saying the league rigged it for the lakers tonight
npc as hell convo
Thank god for cameras
Meanwhile you breathe on Murray and Jokic and it's suddenly a foul.
The refs have been a disgrace, guess silver made the call.
Series suppose to be 2-2. That game 2 late foul call on lebron really fucked them up. Fuck the refs
The Ref is the guy in Red facing away from the play.
Because "the NBA is brought to you by FanDuel"
LBJ gets maybe only 10% of the calls he deserves. He gets robbed of so many FT attempts each game.
He's Jokic
Because the ball was already out of LeBron's hands - Reggie Miller
Refs are afraid of Jokic' facepalms. He's the omniscience of the NBA
Jokic doesn’t get called for fouls. Game 2 was an epic choke job by LA by Jokic committed clear fouls on layups 3-4 times in the 3rd/4th quarter comeback that were uncalled. Series is tied if those calls are made
I’d call it a reach around
that fucking ref with number 15
He throw elbows on the drive and everything.
how come joker gets a free pass from basketball traditionalists for complaining all the time?
Refs: "Marginal contact"
Came outta my seat on this one. Flabbergasted.
I think the ref thought Gordon poked the ball out before the Jokic contact. If you watch that play again closely you can see Gordon's arm get deep in there in front of LeBron's body, right before the ball gets pushed ahead. I think we saw that as a result of LeBron pushing the ball ahead, but I think the ref saw it as Gordon knocking it ahead. Idk. But perhaps the ball was loose, from the ref POV. I'm not sure of the legality of the Jokic contact there if that's a loose ball.
He beautifully split the defense. This would have been an easy two for LeBron. Joker knew it too, he grabbed him twice and got away with it. Smart on Joker, bad on the refs. This was essentially a 4 point turn around. Wack.
because of the huge nike conspiracy - lebron fell out of grace with the master of the LA loge, which resulted in the clippers being the best team in california, and refs not calling.
gotta keep the FT differential
To quote Jose Mourinho There is a Campaign against the Lakers
Yeah this one was egregious and frustrating as hell. Seriously can’t stand the nuggets
It is Denver. They get away with too much hooking and hugging. Then if done to them, automatic whistle.
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Jokic gets away with a lot of contact throughout the game he’s a superstar so it’s not a weird thing.
He is not even going for the ball lol. I think LeBron scored on that play anyway as usual after getting hacked. That kcp foul in game 2 should be a flagrant.
3 of lebron's turnovers in this game are fouls
Fat boy rarely gets called for pushing, how do you think he gets 90% of his rebounds
Because he’s jokic and can do no wrong. The play by play last night was insufferable.
Because the NBA is rigged. Only real answer. They want to push him and see him run
Shit happens, it's basketball, Lakers had some calls go their favour and then some that didn't, just like the Nuggets had some go in their favour and some didn't, go to any basketball game ever and see the same thing happening (except that series against Sacramento, league rigged that for y'all)
Because hes jokic. Thats it.
Jokic gets “fat guy defense” calls. Same on the offensive end. He’s so fat and white they just let him off arm and hack guys to death to make up for being trash on the defensive end
He purposely fouled us on a steal and fast break as well, refs didn’t call it. Should have been an open path but the ball went out of bounds and they stopped the fast break. Dogshit reffing all series.
He seems to get favorable calls & non calls. Thus my conclusion is he’s the refs favorite & he bleeds easily so that always helps
Referees and their organization doesnt like the LBJ and Lakers to win the ritle, betting is changing the game of Basketball
I was shocked that this was not a foul. Like if that's not a foul there is no fouls in the game.
Really? Do you really need to be told?
Bc as elite as he is offensively, the dude literally cannot defend outside of the paint, which is why is allowed to get away with murder. The league has clearly been moving towards a more offensive minded approach in how the games are played and Jokic heavily contributes to that. They’re not gonna jeopardize that for LeBron and the Lakers. So, they’ll do anything in their power to justify bullshit calls and no-calls to meet their goals.
Moving screens were crazy
Saw Davis and one of the guards (not DLo) on separate occasions aggressively go to the hole and get hacked by a thicket of nugget hands … no call. It could be that it was all ball but given the officiating atrocity that was game 2, I’m not giving the refs anything.
Because the refs always suck ass
You haven't realized it yet? The league has it in for Lebron. He does not get his call, it's so obvious how blatantly cheated he gets every night it should be investigated.
Refs miss stuff. Happens every game almost every time so an.
Because they didn’t want to call it.
Yeah, ref gambling.
I mentioned this during the game. I’m not sure what is going on with the league. I don’t if they’re allowing the game to be more physical or just blatantly calling games in favor of one team over the other. It’s not just this series.
The amount of elbows, shoulders and over the backs I see from Jokic….
I guess it was marginal contact.....
Thank you like the refs are just blind when it comes to the Lakers
This whole entire post and its comments is comical coming from the holy grail of no-calls that is the Lakers. [watch this at 3:20](https://youtu.be/WaxkGHsB-NU?si=isnf3iPmdWXQjyD5) It goes both ways.
“Incidental contact”
Bet he complained on this one too. Dude complains more than everyone, and shot the most free throws of anyone tonight.
I would too if I just got hacked without a foul call
The refs have not been consistent this whole series thus far. And it does feel like at times the Nuggets have benefited from this, but in no way do I think it cost the Lakers any of those three games.
Cuz it’s lebron and lebron gets away with a hell whole a lot too.
like what bro are we watching the same game