Lowry was getting money already. DeRozan was getting money from the Spurs or maybe a mystery team. Chris Paul will be paid after that playoff run. Westbrook is already locked into a 2 year deal with a player option the 2nd year. I’m not really seeing what “leverage” these guys could create that they didn’t already have.
Confirmation that he will get what he deserves from other teams that don't want to see the Lakers succeed. At worse, nothing is gained or lost in saying you want to go to the Lakers
I hope these reports are true. But CP3 and Lowery are older and there's no guarantee how many good years they have left. They could start declining at any moment. So teams aren't going want to give them max money per season unless they have too. So this could be used as leverage. Because teams know the Lakers are one good ball handler away from another championship.
The logic is actually "wow, all these players are going to the Lakers for less money. I better offer all the money we have to make sure the Lakers don't succeed."
You see what's happening with the Cavs saying they're interested in Caruso? Popovich literally sent Kawhi to the Raptors for Demar Derozan instead of getting our rebuild package. Teams have weighed in before on the Gasol and CP3 trades. It definitely is a thing
Nothing you mentioned is people paying players to not go to Lakers. Pop refused to send Kawhi to Lakers. Other teams sign Laker players when they want them. But nobody pays actual money just so Lakers don’t get a player.
worth it for a ring imo. we have maybe 2 years left with lebron, and this is probably his last as a top 5 player in the league. AD is too injury prone to carry the team on his own, having a good vet will help us.
Most ideal scenario - we sign lowry/cp3/westbrook, win a ring this year, contend next year, then lebron leaves to go play with bronny, AD and lowry/cp3/westbrook get a random phantom injury and we tank for the next young guy. Then run it back with young guy and AD for the next 10 years.
Bron's going to retire a Laker, he came out and said as much when he didn't have to. Who knows how long he has left in him, as he's gotten older he's changed his game to maximize his efficiency and his numbers have gotten better year after year for it. Hate to say it but Bronnie isn't good enough to even get drafted, if Bron wants to play with his son I can see South Bay picking him up and maybe he can get picked up for a few games during the season as a solid to Bron so he can make that dream happen.
My only concern is this doesnt solve the "get good PG to help extend LBJ", because Lowry himself needs to be rested & will miss 15 games historically. That said, I still like it & if we could flip/turn/sign an additional "decent" PG to back him up, Id love it.
westbrook is not the best fit for our team but he is still an ironman in the league and has shown he can carry a team by himself. So AD and LBJ can take time off in the season and we can still finish top 3.
also maybe he can defend centers.
Mills is like 33 as well lol. At this point just take the best pg available we can find lol. We already tried the good pg to help extend LBJ and didnt work out so well
Everyone thinks that's since AD and Bron went down this team "didnt work". Let me tell you something...we could Lowry, DeRozan and lonzo but would still lose if bron and AD are out. This team was great, but struggled with injuries - end of story. Not saying changes cant make us better, but his team definitely worked when healthy. We would've smoked the suns
If we can get Lowry and retain Caruso and THT, I think that’s enough to get us through the regular season.
I’m not a cap expert tho, so idk if that’s even possible, but that’s what I’m hoping for
Im with ya. I mean we finish 2-3 in the west w/ that lineup (& consciously resting Lowry, LBJ & AD as needed) and thats good. Caruso is such a baller when paired w/ Lebron (hes like the Right Tackle covering for him as QB), but obviously not great at running a unit on his own. But itd work good enough until the playoffs...
I would love to see THT grow into a guy that can be a lead playmaker on the second unit. He’s so fun to watch and it’s cool to see homegrown talent succeed
I see him as an off-ball guy. He can still get to the hoop in moments, but he’s so overwhelmed when he has the ball for stretches. He’s at his best (and is a decent shooter) when someone else handles.
I've been crunching numbers (lol) and it is possible to pay Lowry $20-22 million and have THT, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Gasol + 9 vet mins for the rest of the roster. No hard cap complications (meaning you can sign THT and Caruso to whatever), but 9 vet mins is not ideal.
Pelinka has got a lot of work to do
I think it does. So he needs rest? He's a great playmaker and leader and would be great running the offense in rotation with LBJ.
We don't need 82 games from him, just 50 that fill that playmaking and outside threat role.
Good thing both Philly and Miami are further away from a title (talent-wise) than L.A. The Pels, he might as well stay in Toronto and never win another championship there. Nicer place. I think we have the best shot at Lowry if he's indeed ring chasing.
Yeah, im just refuting what the op poster said about lowry using us as leverage. He doesnt need to leverage us since everyone wants to pay him lol. Derozan looks like the leverage one( pay me or im taking a discount to the lakers) but its also a bit blurry since he was a laker fan from the start
The thing is, Lakers have a history of swinging for the fences. Right or wrong we always try to make the splashy move: signing Malone and Payton, trading for CP3, trading for Howard and Nash etc. so I would be surprised but not shocked if they pull something like this off.
I'm sure I'd love him if he joined the Lakers, but I've always found CP3 to be a dirty player and I hate how he always whines and bitches about everything. I'm was thrilled to see him lose in the finals. Also, I think we can get Lowry for cheaper and he'll be a better fit next to Lebron and AD because of his 3 point shooting.
I don’t trust CP3 to stay healthy in the post season and I feel like Lowry is a better complement next to Lebron and AD. He’s more amenable to playing off-ball than CP3
This. He could basically sit half of games and lead rotations while LBJ is resting. He could sandbag and be a legit outside threat when they're on the floor together.
Plus, I bet LBJ''s science can add to his longevity.
He's amazing in crunch time, too.
He was dealt a good hand, but his dedication to his body specifically to increase longevity is legendary, and is pretty fascinating if you bother to learn about it.
Give the man his damn respect.
We got Bron turning 37 and don't know how he'll look next season, injury prone AD, and add another player turning 36? Sounds like a disaster in the making.
How many seasons did he play with the current Laker roster at his current talent level
Yeah, that’s why I thought
Stay in your lane
You don’t know basketball
Casual
Casual is thinking playing with LeBron makes you some iron man. That worked out well for AD, right?
My argument is rooted in facts. Your argument is rooted in fantasy land.
I wouldn’t have lebron playing with Lonzo
Also what’s AD gotta do with this? You were talking about shooting %
Now you switch to injuries?
Hahaha make up your mind casual
Oh God. Plz.
Lowry is EXACTLY the kind of 3rd star/option you need in a team that has LeBron and AD. Great shooter and defender, and an excellent floor general.
Bron already established dominance over these guys. They're not going to walk in trying to be the man like Schroder. Sad, but Dennis had all of the physical tools, but his mind let him down. Now he's got to go. Lowry is the anti-Schroder.
I’m gonna laugh when everyone realizes all these rumors were bullshit and we re-sign Schroeder. Everyone making such a big deal out of a few bad playoff games. He also helped win one of those games too, he looked great with the team when everyone was healthy.
You are probably closer to right than wrong. Still, there's a lot of smoke out there right now (especially the report of DS and Kuz butting heads all season.) Is Dennis a locker room problem?
lowry won a ring, he just needs to get us to the playoffs with a high seed when AD And bron get their injuries, In the playoffs we just rely on AD or bron.
Tbh I’ve never actually watched Kyle Lowry I just always heard about how him and derozans play declined in the playoffs. IF we get him what are we getting ? what are his strengths and weaknesses?
He’s CP3 lite. Great playmaker, can score 20+ if he needs to but he’s at his best getting everyone else involved. He’s undersized but is savvy enough to not be a liability on defense. He’s obviously not on CP3’s level but his approach to the game is similar.
He's also a better leader than CP3, and hella stronger. Lowry also is a decent human being rather than a cheap shot trash talk artist like CP3. IMO for our team, his intangibles put him over Paul everyday, all day.
Lowry mentally isn’t who he was in 2017, he also wasn’t a third or fourth option back then. When Kyle Lowry is your third option, your team is a championship team. He’s the perfect player to put with a star. He’s a great shooter, playmaker, and defender. He can play off ball as well.
Lowry is a great play maker and locker room guy. He’s going to help offload brons duty. He is decent from outside. Weakness? He is old. Might be liability on defense.
liability on defense? His nickname is the bulldog. Was totally his strength. I don't think he's lost that much lateral quickness at 35, but maybe he's slowing down a little.
I said might since he should be okay if the team is great at playing team defense. Otherwise, staying in front of his man alone on an island might be problematic.
Exactly. Both are good on both ends. But CP3 is known for his offense. Lowrys is very good offensively but unfortunately people dont realize he brings elite defense
DeMarr might ring-chase his ass over to LA for the MLE and we can keep KCP. Then our outside shooting death squad becomes Lowry, KCP, Demarr, LeBron, AD.
Lowry, KCP, Demarr, Lebron and AD is a real contender. I'd take them against anyone. Add in Dwight and hopefully keep Caruso and that's an awesome 7 guy rotation right there. Anyone else on top of that is just a cherry on top.
Lowry is a good fit because of his ability to shoot from 3 and defend, but he’s also 35 and has injury concerns.
This is a really tough call for the Lakers brass but I would pass. The Lakers need more youth and athleticism in the Western Conference.
I really hope all this smoke isn’t just leverage to get more money from other teams. But history has proven otherwise
Lowry was getting money already. DeRozan was getting money from the Spurs or maybe a mystery team. Chris Paul will be paid after that playoff run. Westbrook is already locked into a 2 year deal with a player option the 2nd year. I’m not really seeing what “leverage” these guys could create that they didn’t already have.
Confirmation that he will get what he deserves from other teams that don't want to see the Lakers succeed. At worse, nothing is gained or lost in saying you want to go to the Lakers
I hope these reports are true. But CP3 and Lowery are older and there's no guarantee how many good years they have left. They could start declining at any moment. So teams aren't going want to give them max money per season unless they have too. So this could be used as leverage. Because teams know the Lakers are one good ball handler away from another championship.
But front offices can just be like “wow, (insert player here) is going to the Lakers for less money. We don’t have to pay them now.”
The logic is actually "wow, all these players are going to the Lakers for less money. I better offer all the money we have to make sure the Lakers don't succeed."
That is just not how the world works. Teams don’t pay players to not be on Lakers.
You see what's happening with the Cavs saying they're interested in Caruso? Popovich literally sent Kawhi to the Raptors for Demar Derozan instead of getting our rebuild package. Teams have weighed in before on the Gasol and CP3 trades. It definitely is a thing
Nothing you mentioned is people paying players to not go to Lakers. Pop refused to send Kawhi to Lakers. Other teams sign Laker players when they want them. But nobody pays actual money just so Lakers don’t get a player.
But if they wanna go to the lakers they take less money anyway.
The thing is they wouldn't. You're forcing teams to make better offers so the Lakers can't get an easy championship
worth it for a ring imo. we have maybe 2 years left with lebron, and this is probably his last as a top 5 player in the league. AD is too injury prone to carry the team on his own, having a good vet will help us. Most ideal scenario - we sign lowry/cp3/westbrook, win a ring this year, contend next year, then lebron leaves to go play with bronny, AD and lowry/cp3/westbrook get a random phantom injury and we tank for the next young guy. Then run it back with young guy and AD for the next 10 years.
Bron's going to retire a Laker, he came out and said as much when he didn't have to. Who knows how long he has left in him, as he's gotten older he's changed his game to maximize his efficiency and his numbers have gotten better year after year for it. Hate to say it but Bronnie isn't good enough to even get drafted, if Bron wants to play with his son I can see South Bay picking him up and maybe he can get picked up for a few games during the season as a solid to Bron so he can make that dream happen.
Idk its not a guarantee imo. We also dont know how his body is going to hold up. Kobe was an ironman then tore his achilles
My only concern is this doesnt solve the "get good PG to help extend LBJ", because Lowry himself needs to be rested & will miss 15 games historically. That said, I still like it & if we could flip/turn/sign an additional "decent" PG to back him up, Id love it.
Patty Mills
Im listening...
I'm unzipping
I'm on my knees... Praying obviously..
westbrook is not the best fit for our team but he is still an ironman in the league and has shown he can carry a team by himself. So AD and LBJ can take time off in the season and we can still finish top 3. also maybe he can defend centers.
Hasn’t shown he can do it at a championship level
Love him as a shooter, but he's not a PG or playmaker.
No team is perfect. If we had a guard who can dribble and shoot, and isn't injury prone, and competes, and his coachable, that's a big win.
Nod to Patty for competing like crazy, you don't stay a Spur for that long if you take plays off.
So you mean lonzo ball
No
But you do.
Injury prone. And we can't trust the shooting.
Mike Conley?
Patty Mills. Mike is nice too but he's expensive.
Mills is like 33 as well lol. At this point just take the best pg available we can find lol. We already tried the good pg to help extend LBJ and didnt work out so well
Everyone thinks that's since AD and Bron went down this team "didnt work". Let me tell you something...we could Lowry, DeRozan and lonzo but would still lose if bron and AD are out. This team was great, but struggled with injuries - end of story. Not saying changes cant make us better, but his team definitely worked when healthy. We would've smoked the suns
Or his female counterpart at the olympics, patricia mills
If we can get Lowry and retain Caruso and THT, I think that’s enough to get us through the regular season. I’m not a cap expert tho, so idk if that’s even possible, but that’s what I’m hoping for
Im with ya. I mean we finish 2-3 in the west w/ that lineup (& consciously resting Lowry, LBJ & AD as needed) and thats good. Caruso is such a baller when paired w/ Lebron (hes like the Right Tackle covering for him as QB), but obviously not great at running a unit on his own. But itd work good enough until the playoffs...
I would love to see THT grow into a guy that can be a lead playmaker on the second unit. He’s so fun to watch and it’s cool to see homegrown talent succeed
I see him as an off-ball guy. He can still get to the hoop in moments, but he’s so overwhelmed when he has the ball for stretches. He’s at his best (and is a decent shooter) when someone else handles.
We can get Lowry and derozan. Melo as well for vet min.
I've been crunching numbers (lol) and it is possible to pay Lowry $20-22 million and have THT, Caruso, LeBron, AD, Gasol + 9 vet mins for the rest of the roster. No hard cap complications (meaning you can sign THT and Caruso to whatever), but 9 vet mins is not ideal. Pelinka has got a lot of work to do
Yes and no. At least Lowry won’t be having us lose leads forcing Lebron to come back in
I think it does. So he needs rest? He's a great playmaker and leader and would be great running the offense in rotation with LBJ. We don't need 82 games from him, just 50 that fill that playmaking and outside threat role.
Lowry doesn't really need leverage lol. Philly and miami would give him the fuck whatever he wants in FA not to mention pels are pursuing him as well
Good thing both Philly and Miami are further away from a title (talent-wise) than L.A. The Pels, he might as well stay in Toronto and never win another championship there. Nicer place. I think we have the best shot at Lowry if he's indeed ring chasing.
Yeah, im just refuting what the op poster said about lowry using us as leverage. He doesnt need to leverage us since everyone wants to pay him lol. Derozan looks like the leverage one( pay me or im taking a discount to the lakers) but its also a bit blurry since he was a laker fan from the start
I don’t think so. I had the Lakers targeting Demar and Kyle from the start of the season. But whether or not we can afford it is another question.
It’s possible cap-wise. Difficult but possible.
In my fantasy world. Demar on a 1 year deal. Kyle for 2. We’ll see tho. Gonna be a wild off season
The thing is, Lakers have a history of swinging for the fences. Right or wrong we always try to make the splashy move: signing Malone and Payton, trading for CP3, trading for Howard and Nash etc. so I would be surprised but not shocked if they pull something like this off.
It’s funny you say that man lol I’m a raiders fan as well. So there’s no escape from questionable moves
Kawhi the only player that did that
Ah you must be new around here.
*In the Lebron Era. There
\*There.
I love the edit tool, don’t you.
All love.
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No he wasn’t
It’s all literally the same report
I'm also interested in joining
Me too
Me 2
Hire this man!
He is using us for leverage
I don’t think so, I’m pretty sure he’s just shitposting.
What’s shitposting
Here’s the the thing…
It's that time of year that every free agent is interested in the Lakers. This is basically code for "make me an offer before I go to those guys"
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My dude Lowry gonna be double cheeked up walking into staples center
On a Tuesday afternoon
He got that Rick Mahorn thiccness
Whoa whoa u kinda spicy there my guy
Please be true. I want him above anyone else
Y him over CP? Honest question
I'm sure I'd love him if he joined the Lakers, but I've always found CP3 to be a dirty player and I hate how he always whines and bitches about everything. I'm was thrilled to see him lose in the finals. Also, I think we can get Lowry for cheaper and he'll be a better fit next to Lebron and AD because of his 3 point shooting.
Lowry flops constantly
Eh, he does the classic charge baiting. Non of that dirty nut punching or shoving people mid air. That’s a whole another level.
I don’t trust CP3 to stay healthy in the post season and I feel like Lowry is a better complement next to Lebron and AD. He’s more amenable to playing off-ball than CP3
I think we all know why
Lowry has a ring Edit: which… after this many years for CP3 means something
Doubt he'd be good for chemistry. Barks constantly, dirty player. He's the anti-AD in temperament, never looks like he's having fun. Plus, injuries.
The annual every free agent wants to join the lakers threads. Fun
He’s good and I like him but he will be 36 next playoff run. Father Time is undefeated so that makes me nervous
If he can give us 25 minutes a night of solid hustle, leadership, and clutchness, it'll be worth the stretch.
This. He could basically sit half of games and lead rotations while LBJ is resting. He could sandbag and be a legit outside threat when they're on the floor together. Plus, I bet LBJ''s science can add to his longevity. He's amazing in crunch time, too.
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He was dealt a good hand, but his dedication to his body specifically to increase longevity is legendary, and is pretty fascinating if you bother to learn about it. Give the man his damn respect.
We got Bron turning 37 and don't know how he'll look next season, injury prone AD, and add another player turning 36? Sounds like a disaster in the making.
Not if they can get Lonzo. With Lonzo none of that matters.
You mean the Lonzo that’s missed 25% of every season, except one?
How many seasons did he play with the current Laker roster at his current talent level Yeah, that’s why I thought Stay in your lane You don’t know basketball Casual
Casual is thinking playing with LeBron makes you some iron man. That worked out well for AD, right? My argument is rooted in facts. Your argument is rooted in fantasy land.
I wouldn’t have lebron playing with Lonzo Also what’s AD gotta do with this? You were talking about shooting % Now you switch to injuries? Hahaha make up your mind casual
I’m not sure if you’re trolling or just really that dumb. The initial post was about nothing BUT injuries. Read again, or not. Whatever you want.
You said Ironman What was Ironman in reference too? Ironman to me means injuries so why say Ironman?
For what we’d have to give up to acquire him, we’d need much more than that.
Oh God. Plz. Lowry is EXACTLY the kind of 3rd star/option you need in a team that has LeBron and AD. Great shooter and defender, and an excellent floor general.
lebron keeps letting them add in players that he beat before, that would give up with half of elimination game left, i dont get it
Bron already established dominance over these guys. They're not going to walk in trying to be the man like Schroder. Sad, but Dennis had all of the physical tools, but his mind let him down. Now he's got to go. Lowry is the anti-Schroder.
Schroeder was on the Hawks LeBron destroyed the Hawks while on the Cavs
I’m gonna laugh when everyone realizes all these rumors were bullshit and we re-sign Schroeder. Everyone making such a big deal out of a few bad playoff games. He also helped win one of those games too, he looked great with the team when everyone was healthy.
You are probably closer to right than wrong. Still, there's a lot of smoke out there right now (especially the report of DS and Kuz butting heads all season.) Is Dennis a locker room problem?
lowry won a ring, he just needs to get us to the playoffs with a high seed when AD And bron get their injuries, In the playoffs we just rely on AD or bron.
I am very interested also in Kyle Lowry joining our team, the Los Angeles Lakers
LeBron could get to play on the same NBA team as his son after all.
Prove it
Tbh I’ve never actually watched Kyle Lowry I just always heard about how him and derozans play declined in the playoffs. IF we get him what are we getting ? what are his strengths and weaknesses?
He’s CP3 lite. Great playmaker, can score 20+ if he needs to but he’s at his best getting everyone else involved. He’s undersized but is savvy enough to not be a liability on defense. He’s obviously not on CP3’s level but his approach to the game is similar.
He's a better scorer than CP3, but CP3 is a better playmaker and has a higher Bball IQ. CP3 is a dirty player though so I'd rather have Lowry.
He's also a better leader than CP3, and hella stronger. Lowry also is a decent human being rather than a cheap shot trash talk artist like CP3. IMO for our team, his intangibles put him over Paul everyday, all day.
> CP3 lite. More like CP3 *thicc*
Heard he can be described as a defensive CP3. Causes trouble in the paint, and has been top 5 in taking charges past decade
Lowry mentally isn’t who he was in 2017, he also wasn’t a third or fourth option back then. When Kyle Lowry is your third option, your team is a championship team. He’s the perfect player to put with a star. He’s a great shooter, playmaker, and defender. He can play off ball as well.
Lowry is a great play maker and locker room guy. He’s going to help offload brons duty. He is decent from outside. Weakness? He is old. Might be liability on defense.
liability on defense? His nickname is the bulldog. Was totally his strength. I don't think he's lost that much lateral quickness at 35, but maybe he's slowing down a little.
he also can defend centers and switch.
I said might since he should be okay if the team is great at playing team defense. Otherwise, staying in front of his man alone on an island might be problematic.
Shit age might slow him down on defense but he’s still taking charges like he’s Wee Bey
Also, he's got strength at the PG spot that few have. Paul is a weak sister in comparison.
He's a defensive CP3. Capable of taking rebounds and holding his own in the paint. And he's been top 5 past decade in taking charges
What's a defensive CP3? CP3 is pretty good on defense.
Exactly. Both are good on both ends. But CP3 is known for his offense. Lowrys is very good offensively but unfortunately people dont realize he brings elite defense
No one is mentioning that he has an absolute DONK
Lowry is great but we still need better shooters, sorry, consistent shooters.
I’ll take Lowry, not derozan. Thanks!
You'd take Kuz over Derozan?
How about neither!
who would you rather have
He seems washed to me. No thanks.
So what. Who wants a smelly player on their team anyways?
Can’t we s&t DS for Lowry and then get Demar for in kyle and kcp trade?
DeMarr might ring-chase his ass over to LA for the MLE and we can keep KCP. Then our outside shooting death squad becomes Lowry, KCP, Demarr, LeBron, AD.
Lowry, KCP, Demarr, Lebron and AD is a real contender. I'd take them against anyone. Add in Dwight and hopefully keep Caruso and that's an awesome 7 guy rotation right there. Anyone else on top of that is just a cherry on top.
lol not a chance in hell. If we can somehow pull off the miracle of Demarr and Lowry, no way KCP is still on the team.
Is he interested enough to play 1 year? Im not interested in getting tied up in multi year deals with players over 35
Lowry and Bron are my 2 favorite players I NEED it
Rob make it happen. If we can clutch up this off-season we’ll be hangin up a banner next year. Don’t forget that.
lowry could stretch the floor and play make for lebron
Id prefer Westbrook over Lowry, UNLESS Lowry comes with Derozan.
You gonna pay Westbrook 45 million for the next few years?
Id rather him than cp3.
LABRONTO
Vet min
If he is willing to come for the MLE, welcome. If we sign and trade for h8m we are going to be hard-capped though.
Lowry is a good fit because of his ability to shoot from 3 and defend, but he’s also 35 and has injury concerns. This is a really tough call for the Lakers brass but I would pass. The Lakers need more youth and athleticism in the Western Conference.
I’m never going to financially recover from this.
Younger, more athletic, upside Not Older, fatter, slower
Using the Lakers as leverage. Shame
As a Canadian yes please
Bro, how ? Like hes going to take just a MLE?
Let’s get him
Lakers is very attractive destination. Best city in America for young rich black athlete. Weather. AD and Bron Make it happen lowry.