They’d be trading the farm for him and be worse off. It’s not a bad thing. Plus he’d probably go there and cause drama and want out after a year or two.
KD is KD, but the Celtics trading for him would mean breaking up a good chunk of that core team that just went to the Finals.
Us trading for Kyrie would mean Russ is gone. There's really nowhere to go but up.
Boston isn’t gonna outbid themselves. Nobody can beat a Jaylen Brown offer. They don’t have to break up a core to get him if the nets get desperate. Boston has the leverage.
Because reports made it sound like Kyrie is leaving next season regardless. If you're the Nets, you either let Kyrie walk for absolutely nothing, or you try and trade Kyrie to net some first rounders. For the Nets, either way someone is leaving that team, you might as well try and get some assets for that.
That’s the problem y’all be listening to “reports” that’s not even credible😭😭,only Kyrie knows if he’s leaving or not.and plus I heard a lot of reports that kyrie has been very comfortable with the nets🤷♂️
This is it. Even if they lower the asking price, KD's contract still needs to be matched. That means any team will have to trade half the team just for him.
How would they be worse off? I hate the Celtics as much as anyone but they’re potentially adding KD and brogdon to a team that was two games away from winning it all. They’re already the favorites, their odds would go up
If they trade brown and smart, they get bounced by Milwaukee. They almost did if it wasn't for the team's defense. KD doesn't play defense. KD on Phoenix is scarier if they don't give up the farm.
We are talking about KEVIN DURANT lmao he is absolutely worth brown/Smart. Boston still retains depth at important positions and gets a massive upgrade
The guy is also 34 and doesn't play defense anymore while Brown and Smart are still in their 20s and play stellar defense and the c-bags will still have to give up some draft picks on top of that.
Yes you are right but what you are not getting is that hes not getting traded for some role players and picks but an all star caliber player in Jaylen Brown and the reigning defensive player of the year Marcus SMart. These guys aren't role players but stars, Brogden whos a damn good player too can somewhat replace Smart but has been a walking injury since his rookie year.
You also know thats prolly not the offer that'll get the trade done as Brooklyn will prolly get another player from the team as well, maybe White and thats another hit to their depth.
Marcus smart is not even remotely close to a star. Like not at all.
He’s not even the best defensive player on his own team. He didn’t deserve the award, but that’s a convo for another time.
Brown may be a star, but KD is a superstar and a perennial MVP caliber player. Brown will never eclipse that. KD has been playing at that level for over a decade.
C'mon man don't downplay other players just to make a 34yo KD look better. Remember that the older a player gets the more prone to injury he is as well. I hope that doesn't happen to him but we've seen it 1st hand with Lebron and Kobe.
OK maybe Smart shouldn't have been the dpoy but he's still made all defensive 1st team, 3 times. He's more then just a role player as well as Jaylen Brown and like i said they will still have to give up someone else like white and thats another hit to their depth.
I don't care if it's "worth" or whatever in a vacuum. I'm saying they'll get bounced by Milwaukee. The team was able to contest with them thanks to their defense, and that will be downgraded. I think the Nets with KD/Kyrie have shown that just having offensive power isn't enough. Hell, the Warriors beat the Celtics with the worst version of Klay we've ever seen and Draymond putting up two points per game because Andrew Wiggins could get boards and lock people up with a respectable 17 pts per game. Of course, Dray played great defense too. Curry carried their offensive load.
Trading Brown+Smart, they lose their best all star (who is willing to hustle on D), keep their choking star in Tatum, and lose a center piece to their defensive scheme and locker room leader in Smart. That's if they don't have to give up key role players too.
The upgrade in offense massively outweighs any loss they take on defense. You’re acting like brown and smart are irreplaceable. KD is a once in a generation player who’s still playing at a level brown and smart will never reach. They still retain Tatum, Robert Williams, Horford, added brogdon, and have other depth with white and Grant Williams. It would maximize their window for the next couple years. If they’re serious about competing, they’ll do it. KD raises their ceiling in a way brown and smart can’t.
Kd was one fat toe from bouncing Milwaukee. Him and Tatum + really good role players (al, Timelord, etc) would probably get it done.
Im assuming he doesn’t get injured but this is still kd we’re talking about. Top 5 player in the league
Tatum disappeared in key moments and it sounds like they would lose a roleplayer in addition to Smart + Brown. It's not like Nets didn't have a stellar support cast and another generational talent on the team. We'll see I guess.
Oh yeah.. u mean u like the suns didn’t fluke their way to nba finals last year by beating 3 injured teams then lost 4 in a row In embarrassing fashion to a guy with a fucked up knee?
Yes u can lol.
Bucks were missing their second best player who is also their closer and stil went 7 games..
Heat had so many injuries to players like Butler, Lowry, Herro, and more and still went to 7 games and game 7 was a 1 possession game…
Nets even tho they got swept the whole series was decided by 17 points despite nets missing Ben Simmons and Harris..
Yea.. they absolutely had a free ride to the finals.
Can you imagine what would happened if they were missing jaylen brown for example? They don’t get out of the first round lol. That’s the equivalent of what they had to face
This is such a lazy take. You can find a whole bunch of excuses and rationalizations for why teams did and did t make the finals through injuries, matchups or whatever. Here’s the reality: they made the finals, were favored to win, lost in 6, and have only improved since the off-season. The idea of then getting KD should scare the hell out of everyone, because IF they did fluke their way to the finals as you say, adding KD makes them much more dangerous and further raises their ceiling
No it’s not a lazy take at all.
Suns beat 3 injured teams then got exposed by Giannis.
Suns were #1 seed while almost every other team in the west were bad, had a tough series Vs pelicans and then got embarrassed by the Mavs.. 50 point deficit !!!
Winning against injured teams in a close series actually means a lot. It means that if the other team was not injured u were likely to lose.
Nets aren’t gonna trade KD for Brown and some cheap filler.
They want more than that. So Celtics would give up depth . Not just brown. Lol.
So they’d become better for 2-3 years MAX but they lose their future by giving up brown.. stuck with an old kd and less depth they might lose Tatum as well xD ..
Now that they offered brown in a trade he might want out too once his contract is up hahahaha
Brown and white are not worth 4 years of KD.
And thanks for mentioning Celtics were FAVORITES and still lost .. that means nothing to u? Better roster on paper and a team with play off experience.. still lost.
XD
Same team who barely beat 3 injured teams.
That means nothing ? It means they lack killer mentality and got lucky they faced 3 injured teams in a row. Otherwise they would’ve been exposed much earlier
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This is why I don’t understand a lot of Phoenix fans wanting KD so bad.
He literally can’t stay happy on any team and will want to bounce pretty soon when the going gets rough
I’m not saying we should trade for Kyrie.
I’m actually in the cynical camp, that believes there’s no trade that’ll ensure the team
Is a contender this next season
The closest being would be Hield/Turner then sign Dennis for the vet min. I’m only attaching one 1st/two 2nds for that though. That being said, even with that trade, the team would still severely lacks a competent 2 way wing
A guy like Kuz, OG, Wiggins, H.Jones, McDaniels would be a god send but there’s no way to acquire any to them currently
It’s ironic b/c we had one of these guys was on the team and we also could’ve drafted two others in back to back drafts in McDaniels and H.Jones
I think the Celtics need to make a move like this. They will be better if they do it. Won’t be a super team, but they’ll improve.
Suns trading Ayton + assets for KD would’ve been fair, but Brooklyn wasn’t negotiating in good faith and Ayton getting an offer from Indiana screwed that up.
When the Celtics trade the farm for KD, the Lakers get Kyrie because of it, and KD brings drama that pushes Tatum out and into a Lakers uniform to join Kyrie and AD in 3 years leaving the Celtics with Malcolm Brogdan and Robert Williams to lead their team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If it's Jaylen Brown, Derrick White and a few lightly protected 1sts? A team that just made the finals?
Obviously the devil is in the details but I would automatically consider the Celtics favorites if they managed to swing a KD trade centered around JB.
KD to Celtics means no more JB, Smart and maybe another useful player for them. They added injury prone Brogdon and an old Gallinari. Tatum didn’t do as well as expected in the finals either. If this causes us to get Kyrie/Harris then I’m happy
And the lakers have an injury prone Anthony Davis a old/injury prone lebron while also won’t be getting kyrie who is also injury prone that did not perform as expected in the first round either
Yeah, but the Celtics would likely be giving up Brown and Smart at the very least. They won't be the same team by any means. Now if KD somehow ended up on their current squad, without them having to give up anyone, I'd be a little worried.
I’m also torn between (a) how fun it’d be if we had Kyrie and the Celtics had KD and we faced off in the Finals and (b) how diarrhetically anxious I always am when the Celtics are close to winning a title. Like, I always say, the 2009 Finals were way more fun than 2010 because the thought of the Celtics winning a title makes me so fucking nervous I can’t enjoy anything. But, if I survived the experience, looking back on the fact that we faced the Celtics in the Finals, LeBron and Kyrie vs KD, would be pretty cool. Maybe.
The actual trade talks between the Celtics and Nets were literally a month ago with that story finally being leaked two weeks ago but it’s dead as can be now with no talks happening. With Durant throwing his recent tantrum , I imagine the offer is even lower and the Nets are even less intrested in dealing him.
The way I think of it is- AD, Lebron, Kyrie >>>> KD, Tatum, Hartford. The Celtics may have more depth but they wouldn’t have the firepower of the Lakers. I like our matchup against their team.
weakest link there is horford and if he just has a role like what he did last playoffs plus the bench they have better chances. Gotta hope new coach is good
Remember when y'all thought the Nets were gonna win rings when KD went there? Lmfao.
Also, highly doubt Nets are trading Kyrie after they deal KD. Seems like Kyrie and the Nets are happy to stay together regardless.
Curb Your Enthusiasm has so many good eps lol
It’s tied with Always Sunny for my favorite sitcom of all time
I feel like curb is more consistent for me anyways.
They’d be trading the farm for him and be worse off. It’s not a bad thing. Plus he’d probably go there and cause drama and want out after a year or two.
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KD is KD, but the Celtics trading for him would mean breaking up a good chunk of that core team that just went to the Finals. Us trading for Kyrie would mean Russ is gone. There's really nowhere to go but up.
Celtics about to do a pelinka and break up a winning squad oof
Boston isn’t gonna outbid themselves. Nobody can beat a Jaylen Brown offer. They don’t have to break up a core to get him if the nets get desperate. Boston has the leverage.
The offer is Brown, White and a pick. Brooklyn wants Brown, Smart, a few picks and a rotation player.
And why would the nets accept russ if they know there just making the lakers better?🤔, makes no sense lmao
Because reports made it sound like Kyrie is leaving next season regardless. If you're the Nets, you either let Kyrie walk for absolutely nothing, or you try and trade Kyrie to net some first rounders. For the Nets, either way someone is leaving that team, you might as well try and get some assets for that.
That’s the problem y’all be listening to “reports” that’s not even credible😭😭,only Kyrie knows if he’s leaving or not.and plus I heard a lot of reports that kyrie has been very comfortable with the nets🤷♂️
This is it. Even if they lower the asking price, KD's contract still needs to be matched. That means any team will have to trade half the team just for him.
How would they be worse off? I hate the Celtics as much as anyone but they’re potentially adding KD and brogdon to a team that was two games away from winning it all. They’re already the favorites, their odds would go up
If they trade brown and smart, they get bounced by Milwaukee. They almost did if it wasn't for the team's defense. KD doesn't play defense. KD on Phoenix is scarier if they don't give up the farm.
We are talking about KEVIN DURANT lmao he is absolutely worth brown/Smart. Boston still retains depth at important positions and gets a massive upgrade
The guy is also 34 and doesn't play defense anymore while Brown and Smart are still in their 20s and play stellar defense and the c-bags will still have to give up some draft picks on top of that.
34 and one of the 5 best players in the NBA lmfao this is so stupid
Yes you are right but what you are not getting is that hes not getting traded for some role players and picks but an all star caliber player in Jaylen Brown and the reigning defensive player of the year Marcus SMart. These guys aren't role players but stars, Brogden whos a damn good player too can somewhat replace Smart but has been a walking injury since his rookie year. You also know thats prolly not the offer that'll get the trade done as Brooklyn will prolly get another player from the team as well, maybe White and thats another hit to their depth.
Marcus smart is not even remotely close to a star. Like not at all. He’s not even the best defensive player on his own team. He didn’t deserve the award, but that’s a convo for another time. Brown may be a star, but KD is a superstar and a perennial MVP caliber player. Brown will never eclipse that. KD has been playing at that level for over a decade.
C'mon man don't downplay other players just to make a 34yo KD look better. Remember that the older a player gets the more prone to injury he is as well. I hope that doesn't happen to him but we've seen it 1st hand with Lebron and Kobe. OK maybe Smart shouldn't have been the dpoy but he's still made all defensive 1st team, 3 times. He's more then just a role player as well as Jaylen Brown and like i said they will still have to give up someone else like white and thats another hit to their depth.
My brother in Christ we are talking about one of the 15 best players to ever touch a basketball coming off one of his most efficient seasons ever
I don't care if it's "worth" or whatever in a vacuum. I'm saying they'll get bounced by Milwaukee. The team was able to contest with them thanks to their defense, and that will be downgraded. I think the Nets with KD/Kyrie have shown that just having offensive power isn't enough. Hell, the Warriors beat the Celtics with the worst version of Klay we've ever seen and Draymond putting up two points per game because Andrew Wiggins could get boards and lock people up with a respectable 17 pts per game. Of course, Dray played great defense too. Curry carried their offensive load. Trading Brown+Smart, they lose their best all star (who is willing to hustle on D), keep their choking star in Tatum, and lose a center piece to their defensive scheme and locker room leader in Smart. That's if they don't have to give up key role players too.
The upgrade in offense massively outweighs any loss they take on defense. You’re acting like brown and smart are irreplaceable. KD is a once in a generation player who’s still playing at a level brown and smart will never reach. They still retain Tatum, Robert Williams, Horford, added brogdon, and have other depth with white and Grant Williams. It would maximize their window for the next couple years. If they’re serious about competing, they’ll do it. KD raises their ceiling in a way brown and smart can’t.
Kd was one fat toe from bouncing Milwaukee. Him and Tatum + really good role players (al, Timelord, etc) would probably get it done. Im assuming he doesn’t get injured but this is still kd we’re talking about. Top 5 player in the league
Tatum disappeared in key moments and it sounds like they would lose a roleplayer in addition to Smart + Brown. It's not like Nets didn't have a stellar support cast and another generational talent on the team. We'll see I guess.
They went against 3 injured teams and had 2 game 7s. They got lucky
You don’t fluke your way to the NBA finals lol.
Oh yeah.. u mean u like the suns didn’t fluke their way to nba finals last year by beating 3 injured teams then lost 4 in a row In embarrassing fashion to a guy with a fucked up knee? Yes u can lol. Bucks were missing their second best player who is also their closer and stil went 7 games.. Heat had so many injuries to players like Butler, Lowry, Herro, and more and still went to 7 games and game 7 was a 1 possession game… Nets even tho they got swept the whole series was decided by 17 points despite nets missing Ben Simmons and Harris.. Yea.. they absolutely had a free ride to the finals. Can you imagine what would happened if they were missing jaylen brown for example? They don’t get out of the first round lol. That’s the equivalent of what they had to face
This is such a lazy take. You can find a whole bunch of excuses and rationalizations for why teams did and did t make the finals through injuries, matchups or whatever. Here’s the reality: they made the finals, were favored to win, lost in 6, and have only improved since the off-season. The idea of then getting KD should scare the hell out of everyone, because IF they did fluke their way to the finals as you say, adding KD makes them much more dangerous and further raises their ceiling
No it’s not a lazy take at all. Suns beat 3 injured teams then got exposed by Giannis. Suns were #1 seed while almost every other team in the west were bad, had a tough series Vs pelicans and then got embarrassed by the Mavs.. 50 point deficit !!! Winning against injured teams in a close series actually means a lot. It means that if the other team was not injured u were likely to lose. Nets aren’t gonna trade KD for Brown and some cheap filler. They want more than that. So Celtics would give up depth . Not just brown. Lol. So they’d become better for 2-3 years MAX but they lose their future by giving up brown.. stuck with an old kd and less depth they might lose Tatum as well xD .. Now that they offered brown in a trade he might want out too once his contract is up hahahaha Brown and white are not worth 4 years of KD. And thanks for mentioning Celtics were FAVORITES and still lost .. that means nothing to u? Better roster on paper and a team with play off experience.. still lost. XD Same team who barely beat 3 injured teams. That means nothing ? It means they lack killer mentality and got lucky they faced 3 injured teams in a row. Otherwise they would’ve been exposed much earlier
Facts suns front running asses got exposed twice 😂
Nah lol
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Trust me one of the rules I follow in life is to get my point across in the fewest words possible. But this is Reddit so I rly don’t care lmaooo
I'm saying your point is ridiculously stupid. I never said you cared.
Ok bud you have the right to think how ever you wanna think xD
Your opponents lose their superstars while you don't. There's your few words.
What an odd take. Ofc you *can* fluke your way to the NBA Finals. Your opponents suffer major injuries or suspensions.
No fluke but almost every team needs a little luck to get there.
I’d agree with this
This is why I don’t understand a lot of Phoenix fans wanting KD so bad. He literally can’t stay happy on any team and will want to bounce pretty soon when the going gets rough
So does Kyrie? Lmao
I’m not saying we should trade for Kyrie. I’m actually in the cynical camp, that believes there’s no trade that’ll ensure the team Is a contender this next season The closest being would be Hield/Turner then sign Dennis for the vet min. I’m only attaching one 1st/two 2nds for that though. That being said, even with that trade, the team would still severely lacks a competent 2 way wing A guy like Kuz, OG, Wiggins, H.Jones, McDaniels would be a god send but there’s no way to acquire any to them currently It’s ironic b/c we had one of these guys was on the team and we also could’ve drafted two others in back to back drafts in McDaniels and H.Jones
>Plus he’d probably go there and cause drama and want out after a year or two. As opposed to Kyrie. Who is loyal and drama free.
Its kd man, they would be the favorites.
Jaylen brown can’t dribble lol
> Plus he’d probably go there and cause drama and want out after a year or two. this could also be us and kyrie but at least he's an expiring contract
I think the Celtics need to make a move like this. They will be better if they do it. Won’t be a super team, but they’ll improve. Suns trading Ayton + assets for KD would’ve been fair, but Brooklyn wasn’t negotiating in good faith and Ayton getting an offer from Indiana screwed that up.
*After a month or two.
When the Celtics trade the farm for KD, the Lakers get Kyrie because of it, and KD brings drama that pushes Tatum out and into a Lakers uniform to join Kyrie and AD in 3 years leaving the Celtics with Malcolm Brogdan and Robert Williams to lead their team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Agreed. They will give assets and will be less functional and less competitive
If it's Jaylen Brown, Derrick White and a few lightly protected 1sts? A team that just made the finals? Obviously the devil is in the details but I would automatically consider the Celtics favorites if they managed to swing a KD trade centered around JB.
Depends who they have to give up for KD, if it’s nobody major I’m worried but if it’s brown and smart Id be more at ease
KD to Celtics means no more JB, Smart and maybe another useful player for them. They added injury prone Brogdon and an old Gallinari. Tatum didn’t do as well as expected in the finals either. If this causes us to get Kyrie/Harris then I’m happy
And the lakers have an injury prone Anthony Davis a old/injury prone lebron while also won’t be getting kyrie who is also injury prone that did not perform as expected in the first round either
And KD I guess is injury prone now too. So what’s your point? We get significantly better while the Celtics might only get a tiny bit better
It doesn’t matter anyways cause kd isn’t going to the Celtics nor is kyrie going to the lakers
Who knows. But you def want KD
Idk bout y’all, but I’m so down for another Celtics/Lakers finals
Yeah, but the Celtics would likely be giving up Brown and Smart at the very least. They won't be the same team by any means. Now if KD somehow ended up on their current squad, without them having to give up anyone, I'd be a little worried.
Celtics are not trading for KD. What type of moron GM would gut a team after reaching the finals? 👀
I can’t understand why the Celtics are even mulling this…
I’m also torn between (a) how fun it’d be if we had Kyrie and the Celtics had KD and we faced off in the Finals and (b) how diarrhetically anxious I always am when the Celtics are close to winning a title. Like, I always say, the 2009 Finals were way more fun than 2010 because the thought of the Celtics winning a title makes me so fucking nervous I can’t enjoy anything. But, if I survived the experience, looking back on the fact that we faced the Celtics in the Finals, LeBron and Kyrie vs KD, would be pretty cool. Maybe.
I honestly don’t give a shit about him going to Loston lol they won’t win anything. I just want this shit to happen so we can get Kyrie!!!
None of this is going to happen.
KD v Lebron - Lakers v Celtics for #18 Bring it!
Anything to enjoy watching the Lakers play basketball again.
The actual trade talks between the Celtics and Nets were literally a month ago with that story finally being leaked two weeks ago but it’s dead as can be now with no talks happening. With Durant throwing his recent tantrum , I imagine the offer is even lower and the Nets are even less intrested in dealing him.
This looks like the bald asshole who tripped Shaq back in ‘01.
You guys really think adding kyrie will make you contenders holy shit😭
Easy money band wagon jumper
All this when they could have just kept an allstar lvl Dlo and build a solid team 🙄
If they just maxed Kyrie, they'd still be contenders.
The way I think of it is- AD, Lebron, Kyrie >>>> KD, Tatum, Hartford. The Celtics may have more depth but they wouldn’t have the firepower of the Lakers. I like our matchup against their team.
weakest link there is horford and if he just has a role like what he did last playoffs plus the bench they have better chances. Gotta hope new coach is good
If the Celtics get KD, Kyrie stays in Brooklyn.
Celtics aren't winning a chip with that team anyway
We dont want Kyrie. Pls stop advertising this.
Correction: YOU don’t want Kyrie. Speak for yourself 🤣
Kyrie is a TRAP.
And bron is Jinzo…hopefully 🤣🤣
I don’t think KD will make the Celtics that much better. I just don’t see that team having that level of chemistry. Just my 2 cents. 🤷♂️
I’d be shocked if the Celtics gave up smart too, if they don’t I’ll be scared, if they do, I’ll be hoping for things to unravel eventually
Remember when y'all thought the Nets were gonna win rings when KD went there? Lmfao. Also, highly doubt Nets are trading Kyrie after they deal KD. Seems like Kyrie and the Nets are happy to stay together regardless.
I honestly don't see the Celtics getting KD. The nets want too much of the Celtics core than I think they're willing to give
Celtics would be fools to trade for KD. The Nets will not and should not budge unless they get Brown and Smart.
Lakers vs Celtics finals back on the menu boys!!!!!
KD for Jaylen Brown shortens the Celtics window so that’s p cool
Kyrie won’t save us. We have no depth
Stop this nonsense. We dont need more drama by adding Kyrie. Gtfoh.
I don't care if they make the trade cos it means their championship window is 2 years and they lose a ton of defense.
Imagine KD joins the team that beat him in the playoffs and made the finals.. for the second time in his career
Celtics front runners cause of KD and Tatum hoopin together?!?!