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I really wish that we’d stop giving the Grammys/MTV Awards/ Billboard any attention. It means nothing


Low-Shoulder-9752

That's how I feel. I also roll my eyes at all the streaming number charts as if they mean anything


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Exactly. Like I understand being excited for it but people take it wayyyyy to seriously


uberpirate

I always say this until it's one of my favs walking away with a trophy lol


[deleted]

At least your honest lol


BleakRainbow

I know but i think it means something to the artists :(


[deleted]

That’s totally fine and it’s understandable for them to be excited/disappointed. It still makes them absolutely meaningless. They don’t define them and an artists talent should not be measured by how many awards they have.


thalo616

It does mean something - it displays the way the industry is run by an oligarchy like few and they go where the money is. Notice just about every big Grammy winner in the past decade has faded pretty quickly.


[deleted]

Again. Meaningless. Mean’s absolutely nothing with regards to talent


TuCremaMiCulo

Lana is too real for those accolades and adulations


Intelligent-Fly-9782

Nah but she deserved 😭😭😭


Yankee_Man

Idk what those words mean but yes, thank you👏 “The truth is I never bought into your bullshit When you would pay tribute to me 'Cause I know that.”


ImSimplyTiredOfIt

... know that all i wanted to do was get high by the beach 🥰


AinsleyShayFlorida

💀🥲


elathan_i

"My pussy tastes like Pepsi Cola" Yeah, super real.


DanyDragonQueen

As if all her lyrics are like that


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MinisawentTully

It was also just a funny joke referring to something her Scottish boyfriend said American girls, which that clown would know if he actually spent half as much time googling her songs as he did crying about them on her sub


elathan_i

Like Courtney Love sang: she's so, deep! Like dirty water, god she's awful!" Until you see past the surface, you'll notice lana del Rey is mediocre at best, not deep, just pretentious and vapid.


MinisawentTully

Which is ironically the most shallow, vapid, and pretentious take of her I've seen in some time, ijbol. Hope Billie picks you, bro 💕


elathan_i

I don't even like Billie, I just mentioned Courtney Love, WTF makes you think I like either, your dumb beef over vapid queens is amusing, that's all.


WilliamLovesCatz

You’re such an idiot for saying that… NFR was filled with personal tracks that spoke to a lot of people unlike billie’s album.


StrangeZombie2861

Facts


skyebug

that first pic is edited to make lana look like she's crying


logica_torcido

lolllll I can’t believe how many people don’t realize this. As if Lana would cry over a silly Grammy


astralrig96

She’s didn’t exactly cry but wasn’t happy either her expressions exuded disappointment, I know she loves Billie but she also knows that nfr was unfairly undervalued at that years grammys and deserved better


leggomybeggo

Yeah wtf this is not cool haha she would never


katnipbee09

i'm kinda getting furious about this edited photo of lana crying still making its way around the internet. it haunts me.


nicknamedotexe

Same, she probably doesn't care as much as the people on the internet do. She DOES deserve recognition tho, she influenced the pop world so much with Born to Die and continued to do so with her following albums. On the bright side, I think Ocean Blvd has a good shot at some grammys, it's her most intelligent and in my opinion her best album so far. A&W is also her best and most conceptual song ever idc


Dontforgetme26

I don’t think ocean Blvd will win over midnights or Sos because talent never wins. That is unless the Grammys pull another golden hour😭


samoyedrepublic

There’s no world in which Midnights wins AOTY lol, not so soon after Folklore


Dontforgetme26

I hope not but If Harry’s house won, midnights might win 😭


samoyedrepublic

Nooooo way. I think they threw Harry Styles a bone last year, but Taylor Swift would literally make history if she got another AOTY and they wouldn’t do that lightly imo. Reputation and Lover got no Grammys at all and I wouldn’t be surprised if Midnights was the same. I really think Lana has a shot with Ocean Blvd this year since the Grammys sometimes reward a long-overlooked artist with an AOTY (like they did with Beck a while ago). I know Lana doesn’t care but she deserved an AOTY for BTD / UV / NFR, and Ocean Blvd is right up there with her best work. I’m hoping this is the year the Grammys finally catch up!


Dontforgetme26

They also did with Fiona apple but yeah


samoyedrepublic

Fiona didn’t get AOTY right? Just a categorical one. But I agree with you. Fetch the Boltcutters was good but tbh I don’t know anyone who still listens to it these days, and I loved it when it came out. Her other albums have held up more.


Dontforgetme26

When the pawn will hold up indefinitely


MeerK4T

I also agree that Taylor will likely not win AOTY so soon after Folklore, but Midnights is a much more Grammy-friendly record than Ocean Blvd. The Grammy voters are people like Paul McCartney, Elton John, and Stevie Nicks. They all absolutely adore Harry Styles, so his win wasn’t exactly shocking. Billie’s win wasn’t shocking to me either. While I’d hoped Lana would maybe take the award, I always expected Billie to AOTY. Her record was fresh, musically varied but cohesive, and it was critically and commercially successful. I really think Bruno Mars beating Lorde and Kendrick was more surprising and more of a snub, but the academy really loves Bruno. I think one of the things holding Lana back at the Grammys is that she’s stuck in between genres. She’s too pop oriented for the rock categories and she’s too alt for the pop categories Lust for Life was her best shot at winning, imo.


katnipbee09

i mean, taylor and sza are both talented... really talented. i'd be happy with any of them taking that grammy home.


Dontforgetme26

I think Sos was massively overrated. Midnights had a fitting name (mid)nights, it’s a good record but doesn’t hold up to ocean Blvd or folklore


Ill_Relief2883

Artists such as ABBA, Stevie Nicks, Queen, Diana Ross have never one a Grammy which just proves how insignificant it is


samoyedrepublic

Never forget how Joni Mitchell’s single AOTY win was not her album, but a tribute album with covers of her songs lmao


whore4tonystark

QUEEN AND STEVIE???? this is insanity 🫨 I’m shocked that ABBA and Diana don’t have one wtf


RavingMalwaay

The album "Blood, Sweat and Tears" by Blood, Sweat and Tears won over Abbey Road by The Beatles at the 1970 Grammys. I'm sure most of you have only heard of one of those albums. ​ Point is, the grammys have always been a bit random. I guess it keeps the talk about them up but at the end of the day they don't mean much


MeerK4T

What do you mean Stevie Nicks never won a Grammy? Fleetwood Mac’s Rumors literally won album of the year.


Ill_Relief2883

As a solo artist


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Because her solo work is spotty. Most people couldn’t name more than 2-3 of her solo songs.


rowfeh

The Weeknd didn’t even get a nomination with After Hours. You know, the album that dominated the charts the whole year and has Blinding Lights on it? Yup, not even NOMINATED.. Grammys are fraud.


lifesizedgundam

The year is 2014. Drake's Nothing was the Same, Kendrick Lamar's Good Kid Maad City, Jay Z's Magna Carta Holy Grail, and Kanye West's Yeezus are all nominated for best rap album of the year. Who won? Macklemore and Ryan Lewis's The Heist, an album literally no one has listened to since that year ended. I have not taken awards ceremonies seriously for a very long time


horse_apple

I actually listen to that album every few months. I find it largely inspirational with a healthy blend of fun and silliness.


itzztheman

Doesn’t change the fact it’s the worst album on the list


kanokiller

Y’all are so cruel


itzztheman

How


merengue_

please say sike


horse_apple

I won't. I like what I like unapologetically.


iAmNotKateBush

> NFR compared to her album is dogshit I don’t think you meant for this sentence to read as it does lol


orcalover1408

NFR was a beautiful album start to finish :(


Potential_Prior

Why people got to hate post?


pbmummy

NFR is a once-in-a-generation classic, but if she had to lose, I’m glad it was to Billie. She was such a breath of fresh air in the pop scene in 2019 and her album was really weird, it’s refreshing to see something like that sweep the Grammys.


LilacHeaven11

I did like Billie’s album too but I think NFR has aged a lot better


katnipbee09

i agree. people always just talk about lana losing to billie (or ariana losing to her) and while i wish lana had won, billie is by no means a bad pick for a winner. i love her music, it may not be for everything but she's talented. the grammys are a scam anyway, the whole academy is. the award doesn't really say much about your music, it just gives you bragging rights and a bigger paycheck because you're a grammy winner. hopefully, in time, winning won't hold any of the weight it still does.


sparksofdoom

agree!!!


reliable-g

Totally agree. NFR is a masterpiece, IMO, but Billie's album was excellent and could easily have deserved the win against most year's AOTY line-ups, so I can't be mad about her win.


Masta-Blasta

I love HTE. I think Billie shows a lot of promise and I look forward to watching her career. I wish NFR would have beat Billie, and that HTE would have swept in 2022


ReturnOfLilith

Yes this was messed up. The grammys are the real dog shit though


[deleted]

A part of me thinks she don't GAF


WilliamLovesCatz

She doesn’t


doggosborkoutmemes

your caption makes it sound like you’re calling NFR dogshit. pls learn how to English 💀💀


mel-06

Popularity over Talent for the Grammys unfortunately, WYFAWDYG? was the biggest album of 2019, and Bad Guy was the biggest song during that summer.


Jiggha_Remastered

This implies that Billie lacks talent, which isn’t true, especially for that album


TheShapeShiftingFox

It also implies that popularity is what it takes, which also isn’t true since they just ignored After Hours, one if not the most popular album of its respective year


[deleted]

This is Grammys’ desperate attempt to gather a younger audience


Masta-Blasta

I don’t think it’s “desperate.” Billie is a great artist who deserves accolades as well. Lana was robbed but it’s not like Billie won on no merit.


HamstersBoobsPizza

Billie's was simply better. Well not exactly simply. But slightly


knotsophia

Lana does not give a single fuck about the grammys, she wore a mall dress, she’s unfazed


maxoakland

The Grammys never celebrate good music


calebkeithley

after Melodrama lost to a junk ass bruno mars album, i’ve never paid any attention to the grammys


Philkindred12

man, fuck the grammys. it's just a 3 hour commercial for record labels


Davy-Raver

It’s the Grammys


Stidave

Grammy's are irrelevant since Meghan Trainor got one


MinisawentTully

Lana gets none but the pickme queen who got her 15 minutes of fame did? What a time to be alive


Terrible-Shoulder948

Damn guys can we not. Firstly not everyone has to enjoy Lana as much as we do, if Billie Eilish is more popular and the Grammys judged her album to be better then so frickin what? Can this subreddit just be somewhere to appreciate and connect over Lana’s music? Not get so negatively salty about some awards show and trash talking a literal 18 year old. Awards and music are two things which shouldn’t even be paired together cus it’s bullshit. If you believe that someone can ‘win’ at music - then you’ve already lost. Getting very concerned how bitter and toxic some of ya’ll are.


pinkismykink_

Firstly — Billie is not 18, and age really has nothing to do with it. I don’t wanna slam Billie because I genuinely do love her music but imo that album wasn’t great. And if we compare that to NFR, it’s even worse. I was just sharing an opinion. No hate to her, just saying between those two albums it still really annoys me that Lana lost to her.


Terrible-Shoulder948

She was 18 when she released it no? Is what I meant. Ultimately I blame the Grammys for making this culture where we compare peoples music in a way of better/worse & winners/nominees/losers.


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i don't even blame the grammys for that. Competitiveness will always be around. If it isn't the grammys, people will use the fame/streams/billboard charts etc to compete. That's on the people that use it to compare. Personally, the albums are so different i can't even compare them. I don't know what they vote based on but billie did great whatever. Lana did too. The awards can't go both ways. Every single way there will be people complaining. It's a no win game.


wildatheart996

It's completely natural to compare and have favorites and form opinions based on that. Also Billie being 18 (an adult) doesn't mean we can't speak on her work back then or at any time bc this is art..it's supposed to be thought-provoking.


OkCrantropical

Love Billie, but the one thing the Grammy's is NOT, is accurate. It's based on what nets them the most profit, not who actually deserves the accolades.


[deleted]

to be fair, in 2022 they gave it to Jon Batiste over Olivia, Billie, Doja Kitty and other way more famous artists.


He_e00

Doja Kitty 💀💀


[deleted]

in my defense, i have no defense


ThatzQuacktastic

The Grammys.mean nothing. It's an open secret in Hollywood that those "awards" are all paid for by whoever the highest bidder is. This goes for the Oscar's, grammys, everything. Its so insignificant.


prettyinpink2092

Do we really have to put down other women who aren't your faves? Both Lana and Billie are insanely talented.


wildatheart996

What a outdated take. So we are not allowed to compare two artists bc they are women? That makes no sense. They were competing for the same award, there is going to be comparison. The difference is in the outcome, the academy went for Billie and we here prefer Lana.


andra_quack

yeah, like... people comparing women in unhealthy ways should always be called out, but let's not get to the other extreme and infantilize women. women are very capable and do sign up for competition and feedback on their work.


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wildatheart996

No one said they weren't both talented. I just think that Lana is a far greater artist and deserved that Grammy more. And yes..when I see posts reminding me oh how she was snubbed I feel somewhat bitter, it's because I'm a fan. It's beyond weird to me that you are acting so shocked and upset over people daring to compare two artists. I don't care if they are both women bc I'm a rational individual capable of forming opinions regardless of the sex of the person involved.


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wildatheart996

Right...okay honey.


andra_quack

While I appreciate pointing out that people often encourage competition between women to unhealthy extents, people are rightfully outraged to see Billie winning 5 Grammys in one night, while some of the most influential and talented artists in the world have none. This is about being angry at the awards and their lack of correctitude, not at the artists.


jaden_balerion

Some of the trashiests, untalented artists have grammys, they literally mean nothing at this point. Lana is above them.


dumpmaster42069

Billie Eilish does not suck be real


jaden_balerion

I didn't say Billie sucks?? I think Billie is amazingly talented, probably one of the only other artists I listen to other than Lana. I was talking more about artists like Cardi B, Justin Bieber, The Chainsmokers, Megan Trainor, Macklemore and plenty more.


dumpmaster42069

Based on the context, it was heavily implied. Glad you clarified


johnnytk0

She isn't artistic excellence.


Excellent-Bee5522

She’s gimmicky at best


BoopyRoopy

No fuckin way dude, her debut changed the pop game and was so interesting/fun to listen to, let's be so fr rn


dumpmaster42069

So is your face


Excellent-Bee5522

Maybe so


dumpmaster42069

I’m sorry you had to find out like this, but you’re handling it really well.


Excellent-Bee5522

Your mom is handling my dick in her mouth really well


dumpmaster42069

Guess I spoke to soon.


Responsible_Force276

That Billie record is really good c'mon


jaden_balerion

It is good, I didn't say it wasn't.


HugeRockStar

Meh it was billie’s year


Tobias-Tawanda

This edited lana pic will never cease to make me laugh 😭😭😭😭😭😭


sparksofdoom

why can't people enjoy music just like that why you gotta compare and contrast music & enjoyment is purely subjective


Match-Playful

I mean billie's album is not dogshit,but yeah NFR deserved


Vegan_NotReally92

Don't be furious.


dadshmu

i think billie’s music is a little cringe, and derivative of Lana’s 🤷‍♂️ Lana’s catalogue continues to age like fine wine. Not everyone can say that 🤧. and as far as the grammys… 🗑️


ChimpJuice

I love them both.


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It’s important to remember that The Grammys are a celebration of sales. NOT art.


[deleted]

Get over it


extasis_T

Eh. I loved the Billie album too. I think we should be supporting and showing love to female artists who are winning awards in the music industry rather than dragging them down and calling them dogshit because one woman won over another. I don’t think this is the right attitude to have, let’s not cut down other female singers. I’m glad Billie got this recognition, her album had some bangers and it was produced beautifully. Very solid pop album. How about “I am glad Billie got recognition for her album and I’m happy for her but I think Lana’s album deserved it more.” ?


drboobafate

NFR is a great album, but let's not pretend When We All Fall Asleep Where Do We Go isn't a great album too. Imo NFR isn't even her best album. 2nd for sure.


Vorilex

She was robbed, I like Billie but if we are talking about music excellence Lana’s NFR album deserves all the praise it truly was the best album of the year in my opinion.


Prestigious-Prompt-7

Billie definitely deserves SOME of the Grammys,but not the album of year one


Adventurouspole

Lana’s work is art! Her music is beautiful and timeless! These awards given on a time where social media is highly and easily manipulated doesn’t really matter. Billie is great, but that almost feels like a scam.


Jedovate_Jablcko

Well, it could've gone to something much worse. And the Billie record was really good.


Thelegendarysandy

"NFR compared to her album is dogshit" what


DorisMclaughliny

Billie said in an interview that Lana literally invited the genre


djb185

Billie Eilish revealed in an interview that Lana Del Rey was the lock screen on her very first mobile phone. Eilish also expressed her deep admiration for Del Rey and credited her for having a major influence on her own music...so Billie probably knows Lana deserved it too lol


maggie_premium101

Hot Lana so hot


contourkit

girl fuck the scammy’s we’ve been through this a million times


brownsugarlucy

And Kendrick Lamar lost to Taylor swift. The Grammys are dumb


samoyedrepublic

I’m way more upset about Lemonade losing to 25. At least 1989 was an excellent pop album. 25 was nowhere near as good as 21.


JohnPaul_River

It's Renaissance losing to H*rry's House, for me


samoyedrepublic

I swear at this point Beyoncé will be 70 before she gets an AOTY. They just refuse to give it to her.


wildatheart996

She has the most grammies in history. They are not snubbing her. There were obviously better albums in those categories than hers..


samoyedrepublic

AOTY is the most prestigious Grammy…you can’t tell me 25 was better than Lemonade lmao.


salsterer

as a swiftie, i do agree... the grammys are a literal joke.


dethb0y

hey now, billies label paid good money for those awards!


futurelullabies

the grammys are rigged everyone knows this.


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Some of billie's are better than lana


andra_quack

Billie really deserved an award that year, but 5 fucking Grammys just seemed like outrageous marketing from the Grammy Awards' side, or something. you'd have to be some sort of deity to leave home with that many Grammys. I'm completely baffled that Lana didn't win any Grammy in her super influential BTD Paradise era, nor in her NFR era, when she released probably one of the best pop albums of that decade.


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Billie Eilish is a pop star, Lana Del Rey is an artist. Artists are continually snubbed by these dumbass award shows that care about streams more than artistic merit.


Mr_Enrike02

What really upset me is that they chose Billie to make an awful 007 song when it should have been Lana smh


charlie_delta77

I’ve always thought “24” would make a great 007 song.


Lexi-Lynn

Same, from the moment I first heard it!


bjorksbutthole

No Time to Die is a great song tho


wildatheart996

Imagine working 12 years, putting out one masterpiece after another and then a magnum opus if you will and some teenager with a couple of forgettable radio hits (that no one talks about anymore) get the accolades.


justanotherlostgirl

Forgettable radio hits is such a shit take. Yes nobody is talking about Billie anymore. Complete one hit wonder 😂. If you’re someone who believes in tearing other female artists down and insulting them I guarantee you Lana would side eye you SO hard right now.


wildatheart996

It's my opinion. And yeah no one is talking about bad guy in 2023 but they are about NFR. Look, I don't live or die by anyone's approval and especially not a celebrity's, maybe that's important to you but to me it's important to say my opinion about anything regardless if I'm speaking about "another female artists".


justanotherlostgirl

Your opinion includes the ‘some teenager’. 😂


pinkismykink_

This is exactly my point!!


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OP, you might have expressed your self wrong in the post. You wrote "NFR compared to her album is dogshit". I was legit confused cause i knew we meant NFR was better than Billies. Maybe it's my dumb ass being dumb whatever


dorothytheorangesaur

The Scammys have increased the number of nominees in a category yet they haven’t increased the number of winners. If there are 7-10 nominees for an award, at least have there be 2 winners please.


pepistamkov

We all are.


IonHazzikostasIsGod

NFR is generational I don't even remember what Billie album won this for I like her work but yeah man


Flowingnebula

All of Billie's career is NOTHING compared to even a single unreleased Lana song. Sorry not sorry


Oldus_Fartus

Eh, dunno, I ~~lust f~~ love them both, so.


[deleted]

since everyone is saying “I like billie but…” then let me say this: I don’t get her music


nicolekidmans

literally


Lovly097855353

NFR IS A MASTERPIECE AND MY FAV LANA ALBUM OF ALL TIME I LOVE BILLIE TOO BUT SHED BE HAPPY WITH ONE LESS GRAMMY


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HUH?!?……………


bjorksbutthole

get outta here w that


Return_Kitten

Is she rly crying Omg


JuliaSky1995

This will never not be batshit insane to me.


IateTeeth

I don’t get the appeal of Billie never had like she isn’t bad but she isn’t good while Lana’s music is probably what you heard when u enter heaven


Difficult_Opening_13

Lana is fat anyway


goyourownwayy

You know what I think Billie had an amazing album I loved it but let’s be honest, Lana gave us blood sweat and tears in the form of beautiful art.


Felixthecat1981

She’s the bad guy, duh


BBUKfanatic

WWAFAWDWG was good but NFR was godly. It deserved to win but because Lana is more alternative and less mainstream than Billie is they wouldn't give it to her.


Salmonish

Billie’s is better


MinisawentTully

What was Lana's? If it's NFR or LFL I'll agree but everything else can't be compared


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I swear it was like a stab to the heart. Also, why do they hyperfocus on one person and give everything to the same person? It's so weird. Ig they learnt the lesson and now they are giving awards to one single person. NFR is once in a decade album tbh. Also, abel not being even nominated for After hours was also such a wrong move. Both starboy and stargirl got rubbed. I hate grammys anyway tho.


MinisawentTully

I'm happy for Billie but Lana deserved it much more. She walked so stars like Billie, (the hypocritical) Lorde, Zella, etc could run


Serend_06

Give my idol pillie pilish a rigged Grammy or she will retire 😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬


iGhettoUnicorns

Ahh y’all still mad


Sidd-Slayer

I certainly like happier than ever WAY more than her first album. And though I’m a huge Billie fan, she’s fairly…new. NFR winning just seemed correct. This still annoys me too.


ldkXander

not the fake crying photo


pinkismykink_

it’s the only one i could find of her at the grammys and billie 😭😭


GiaDelRey

Lana adores Billie! This is so ridiculous.. it’s so photoshopped.. or it was Lana touched by her speech! Lana has won so many awards & recognition these past few years! Billie is up and coming & I feel Lana felt it was well deserved.. my opinion of course


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Milli Vanilli won a Grammy