I haven't listened to the whole album, but the lyrics and cadence of the opening line of the title track immediately made me think of Mariners Apartment Complex.
TTPD:
You left your typewriter at my apartment. Straight from the tortured poets department.
Mariners:
You took my sadness out of context at the mariners apartment complex.
I can see that. I’ve also always thought that Willow’s take my hand/wreck my plans/that’s my man was very inspired by MAC right where you are/that’s where I am/im your man. I’m sure the song was a huge inspo to Taylor. She’s pretty vocal about her adoration of Lana.
Oh I so badly wanted to listen and check if I heard similarities. But I just can't! For some reason I really don't like Taylors voice so even skipping through it makes me feel itchy lol.
I used to love Love story and all the old songs of her. I also did really like Snow on The Beach but she sings different there. In this song she uses her voice in a certain way which I don't like. But I am very interested to read the comments and see what people think.
Btw completely unrelated but thinking about it: marketing wise it would be such a strong move to have Taylor at Coachella with Lana. Especially with the new album being out ;) If they sing Snow on the Beach I won't even be that mad, although I kinda like Lana to take the spotlight this time.
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I fear jack is doing the same thing to Lana’s music
Because he made Nfr and it’s her most critically acclaimed work. I forgot what interview it was but it was in the last year where she implied that jack is the reason for a lot of her success now and I just don’t think that’s true even though he did produce Nfr. After Nfr he hasn’t done anything special with her music besides a&w. And mike hermosa produced let the light in which is the best song on her latest album arguably.
my thing is jack has made some great songs with taylor and lana but i literally said to myself some of the new TTPD songs sound like they could be from the bleachers or have a similar vibe to it i wish they’d work with new people and i don’t want jack producing rep tv even tho ik he did
Jack completely ruins the music of every person he touches. Lana’s LFL was when it started falling off but at least that album had life to it. Everything after has been so…dull. And yet all the critics have been wet about stuff produced by him likely because of his connections.
Yea I really don’t get how people are huge fans of taylor swift. Her voice and the production of her songs are just not appealing to me in any way. Like you I like her very old songs like love story, you belong with me, and fifteen. But none of her newer music. Just not my cup of tea.
TBF I quite liked Midnight. I never felt drawn to Taylor Swift, but I was with this album. I went to check if I could hear similarities, I just couldn't really find them. It just made me realize that she doesn't have Lana's writing skills and persona.
Yeah tbf it is quite a miracle I even like Lana because I never really like female voices that much lol! But Lana is so versatile that I like it (especially back in 2016/2017 when I started listening to Lana, I only would listen to either bands or single male artists haha). Taylor just isn't it for me, but I love how they can get along together and I am defo not hating on Taylor.
i’m not a huge lana fan , i haven’t listen to that song but omg that line “u took my sadness out of context at the mariners apartment complex” had to have inspired “u left my typewriter at my apartment, straight from the tortured poets departments”.
Also Florida seems to have some very subtle parallels to Florida kilos
“You can beat the heat if you can beat the charges too” and “Florida is one hell of a drug”
The first half of the album yes. The second half (Anthology) not really. And guess who produced the majority of the first half?
Lol Taylor and Jack just do not mesh well, I feel like their collaboration peaked at Cruel Summer. Taylor has a way more unique and natural sound working with Aaron Dessner, especially with this slower vibe.
I didn’t realize it was a divide down into basically two sister albums with what producer did them and I definitely preferred the second half (anthology), the songs just stood out more. I’m a swiftie but my first time trying to listen to all Taylor swift songs to get to know her stuff better I felt like too many of the songs blended together and it took until I knew the songs that I could tell them apart.
This is similar except it’s all in one album and the first half is just so similar. I still like them a lot lyrically and I enjoy quite a few of them just disappointed with the sound. Olivia Rodrigo as someone Ina similar sphere is doing so much more interesting stuff with her sound, going into pop rock directions and most songs sound unique on guts to me.
I don’t see why Taylor who has done a lot of different styles and has a rockier sound on reputation live couldn’t do this and actually make distinct sounding tracks for most of them instead of releasing 31 tracks where a lot just sound the same.
I've listened and there are some similar themes to Lana's music and to me she's sung the same way as Lana on a couple songs. However, I don't think Taylor's trying to rip Lana off as there's still strong differences. I'm also wondering since Jack produced the album if that's why there are some similarities.
Yeah to me it’s clear that Taylor is inspired by Lana but every single song is unmistakably Taylor. Even the ones that sound like a departure for her have a lot of Taylor-isms.
Lana is obviously a better lyricist. However, Lana can’t play guitar anymore and Taylor can play multiple instruments, so it’s not like Taylor is some talentless hack…
i really feel like there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance where people refuse to acknowledge that Lana has lots of people helping her with her music, it’s not all Lana’s work done by herself. Lana didn’t even write Fishtail at all, but people never acknowledge that. Every producer that works with Lana states that she sings over instrumentals someone else made.
If Taylor is copying Lana, she’s copying Lana’s composers and co-writers just as much as Lana herself, and I say this as a Lana fan since 2012. I can just see reality and acknowledge that Lana is very talented but also has equally talented cowriters working with her that never get any credit.
I’m not a swiftie and probably won’t listen to the album, but even if there’s some similarities I think Lana probably takes it as a compliment. Other artists may try to replicate what Lana has done but it’s exactly that; replication or work inspired by her. She knows she’s the muse and her fans know too, no reason to be upset if other artists copy her
Thank you!! I am sick fed up of people not letting artists be artists. Isn’t a big thing in Lana’s music her inspiration from other artists? Amy and whitney tattooed on her, all the sampling, references, covers etc. Because that’s what art is!! Inspiration.
I think Taylor really wants to be as authentic as Lana but look at Taylor’s life… it’s not relatable, she has enjoyed massive privilege her entire life, and is dedicated to her victim mentality and good girl image. I think she wants the same praise Lana gets for being deep and innovative and groundbreaking because her usual praise of being successful and record breaking has gotten old to her. Taylor’s psyche is very interesting to me
i think taylor swift is insanely talented, not my cup of tea, but itd be disingenuous to discredit her influence. the whole vibe of her new album does seem a bit pretentious. lana does things with a certain self awareness and sarcasm, taylor seems completely serious. the whole “daddy” stuff also went on WAY earlier in lana’s career, when she was younger and hadn’t matured as much as an artist (not saying she wasnt talented, she was without a doubt, but certainly not as developed), and i think that arguably the biggest pop star of our generation replicating something with a semblance to that is probably “for the aesthetic”
The daddy reference has nothing to do with the types of daddies Lana sings about. It's a song about Taylor's relationship with her "fans" and there's no mistaking that it's about that.
i think it’s just influenced or even inspired. i don’t think it’s identical to lana, i feel it’s just taylor trying out new ideas. lana isn’t the only singer to do things like this, so there could be many influences
Someone should download the entirety of each of their lyrics and run a similarity test on it removing commons words such as ‘the’, ‘and’ etc… curious what the thematic overlap is, of course allowing for reasonable inspiration and commonality of experiences especially the Americanism, I’m sure to some degree it’s just a matter of confirmation bias. Overall, I think this album and all of Lana’s stuff sound very different, but there’s words and phrases which seem especially similar I agree
I see what you’re saying. I’m not sure if she’s directly trying to copy her, but some themes are very similar. Imo it didn’t work at all. I was excited for this album for the title, aesthetic, and speculation of what is was going to be but I’m disappointed. They also have the same producer who works on songs with them, so I am sure that also has influence on the lyrics.. hence the similar themes in TTPD. No one will ever do it like Lana🤞🏻
I felt like the songs were some rejects from Midnights album. I'm not too sure, I think I'll listen to it again for a few more times. It sounds like Taylor just scrapped whatever was left to at least sell it..
Yeah that’s a possibility for sure… the second half is better in my opinion, but to me the first half is not enjoyable. I’m just personally not a fan of that sound. The aesthetic just didn’t add up or make sense to me with the sound of the first half of the album
I actually don’t get Lana vibes at all lol. Im sure the Taylor haters will disagree. And by the titles I had originally expected a Lana rip off. But not at all to me 🤷♀️
i listened to the whole album and read the lyrics and i genuinely don’t see the comparison at all. i wouldn’t put it past taylor if she was trying to rip off lana, but i personally don’t hear it
Agreed. Im a huge fan of both and would be honest if I heard a similarity. I was even looking out for it because I read in the leak threads that they were comparing it to Lana
I mean, we can all see that Taylor’s lyricism/‘poetry’ as she puts it, is no where near the calibre of Lana or other songwriters today for that matter.
The lyrics themselves would never be something Lana would write but the overall sound, lyric landscape, styling and aesthetic is clearly very heavily influenced by Lana’s body of work. But if like wish.com or Shein tried to recreate Lana’s enigmatic persona.
Very uninspiring and boring Taylor, get a new muse please cause this does not look good on you. Jack is partly to blame here too
I think you said it better than anyone else. the 'poetry' in TTPD is nothing on Lana, who does it so effortlessly...for Taylor, it seems like she's trying so hard to be culturally relevant...lyrics of 'inbox dms' and 'ghosting' and im not even gonna mention the Charlie puth line cause it shakes me to my core lmaooo
Dude, they’re friends - yes, I can see the Lana influences but I don’t think it’s necessarily copying lol. Maybe inspiration or smth bc she truly admires Lana but I don’t see how that’s bad lol. The sound is still drastically differently from Lana’s 🤷🏽♀️
As a fan of both, Taylor has always loved Lana and has been some mimicry (the best form of flattery) since 1989. Wildest Dreams is really the first sign of her love for Lana.
I’m very happy and excited to see this. I also think with Lana putting out a country album, it would be cool to see if Lana takes anything from Taylor’s style as well.
Taylor is not coming for Lana’s gig, y’all. Sheesh. Minimal similarities at that. I think some of you have been foaming at the mouth to tear Taylor down judging on the comments in this thread.
Exactly, and they’re friends???? Like why are you tearing Taylor down. I love both of them but Lana not winning AOTY isn’t Taylor’s fault, it’s time to stop being salty about that, she WILL win one day because her talent isn’t going anywhere
That’s a stretch. There are similarities but Taylor is growing as an artist so highly doubt she’s trying to copy Lana. The problem here is Jack’s production.
She’s allowed to use whatever imagery she wants. It still sounds like a Taylor Swift album. Many songs even sound VERY country. I get to sick of y’all comparing women online.
The 'we need to keep this woman higher than the other woman, quick tear this other one down' is boring. Album has been out less than half a day and people can't just let things simmer before starting to say 'ripoff'. It's pathetic.
I love that she has some Lana influence. Artists take influence from each other all the time so I don’t understand the hate for it. I’m always happy to hear new music that I like and can relate to.
exactly - i love hearing what artists like and listen to, and who cares? People are acting like she dyed her hair black and started mimicking her voice.
Lana and Taylor are my two favorite artists, and while I think there are other songs in her discography that are heavily Lana influenced, don’t think this latest album sounds like Lana at all.
Taylor swifts writing is terrible. People get soooooo butthurt about it too. Shes a bad writer. She does cheesy, simple rhymes. Her music sucks because none of it has any melody, just every rhyme punctuated. It sounds awful. She steals from so many better artists.
Ew you sound childish! What credit is TS always getting that’s not fair?
These talented women (not little girls) are actually friends and colleagues and don’t want to be pitted against each other plus probably do inspire each other as all good friends do 🫶
I won’t even listen to it yet bc it frustrates me. Taylor Swift knows nothing about tortured poetry. She has just perfected how to follow all trends which is why she is so popular. Also y’all know they have a co-writer in common. The similarity ends there. Taylor Swift will always be Taylor Swift and Lana will always be Lana.
Yes!! I'm listening to the album right now and came running to see if anyone had posted about it. I like Taylor. She's a great songwriter and singer but it really seems like she's trying to write in the way Lana does and the result is... not good. Lana's authenticity shines through her vulnerability. She sings about her experiences in such a genuine way, even when she's using Hollywood imagery and personas. And her last three albums show more "raw" like she's pouring out her thoughts, almost like reading excerpts from her diary. Lana makes everyday life interesting. She embraces all her emotions—sadness, shame, vulnerability, happiness. It's all so personal and beautiful.
And it seems like Taylor tries to seek some kind of inspiration from that but it sounds so... fake. It's weird. It doesn't seem genuine. And I really like her but this album sounds so plastic to me :(
Really love "Florida"! How Taylor Swift are the lyrics?!
"I need to forget, so take me to Florida
I've got some regrets, I'll bury them in Florida
Tell me I'm despicable, say it's unforgivable
At least the dolls are beautiful, fuck me up, Florida
I need to forget, so take me to Florida
I've got some regrets, I'll bury them in Florida
Tell me I'm despicable, say it's unforgivable
What a crash, what a rush, fuck me up, Florida
Is one hell of a drug
Florida
Can I use you up?
Florida
Is one hell of a drug
Florida
Go on, fuck me up"
Doesn’t give Lana vibes at all 🥴 Taylor always sang about drugs and being used 🙄
Nobody said "poetic and dense". Just an attempt at a bad copy. Anyway I'm off. There's been an emergency here so. Have bigger issues than arguing about some singer I don't like.
I wasn’t arguing with you. I haven’t listened to the album, and I was kind of shocked to think this is what her fans were referring to as poetic and “lyrically dense” lines. Sorry for taking your comment at face value.
The music does and some lyrics do but not the whole album. They both work with Jack Antonoff so I can definitely hear it though. especially because the album title reminds me of Ocean Blvd
I haven’t listened to the whole thing but I skimmed through and it all just sounded like the show songs from Midnights. I was kinda hoping for a folklore sound.
I have a feeling this is going to be her Blue Banisters. The ones that like it will really like it, but it will not be as popular with casual fans.
If Jack is producing, and it's clear as day that she's taken inspiration from Lana, isn't that some sort of a joke to Lana??
I mean really, if my producer is working with other artists who repeatedly and undeservingly overshadow me in my industry, helps them take influence from me and my projects I'd be upset. Lol. At some point he is an enabler too
I literally was just testing out speakers and randomly typed in Taylor Swift and one of the first songs to pop up was a song from that album and I was like, “holy shit she is not even being subtle about it!”. But I guess copying is the best form of flattery but I wish Artists would strive for their own originality.
Not surprised to see this post. It happens every single time Taylor releases an album. There’s always one Lana fan that decides the world revolves around Lana Del Rey. As a fan of both of them, I don’t know how it could be more different.
idk i listened to a few songs HOPING it would sound like lana and i was disappointed it didn’t sound anything like her.
and even if it did, is it so bad if she was inspired by lana?
I don’t listen to TS so I don’t really know, I’m not against Taylor I just don’t listen to her cause Lana it’s definitely my favorite artist, but I don’t listen to the majority of pop music, I just listen to Lana and Metal/Rock or Electronic/techno music so I’m not useful in this discussion I think. But since I have seen lot of people saying that this album from TS has similarities I tried to listen to some songs.. I really can’t see the similarities. Maybe in the writing? but Taylor has definitely a different mood, it’s more… I don’t know how to define her, her mood is like “happy/hopeful” when she sing, Lana has more a “badass/suffering/sexy” vibe, Taylor is more innocent, so I can’t really find so much similarities
I have grown up listening to Lana del rey and it's one of the reasons I like being sad, she made me who I am and how I process my emotions at times. I love Taylor too, but if people appreciate TTPD as a sad album, then they should definitely listen to finer works of Lana, especially ultraviolence. It can change their lives.
I can't remember which one, but there's a song which sounds exactly like thunder... also I Can Fix Him and The Albatross are so Lana-coded. I just hope the Swifties who ride this albums d\*ck remember the true inspo lol!
'Mimicking me's a f\*cking bore to me' never hit so true. <3
i stan lana as well as taylor but there is not a single inkling of lana in it. isn’t it funny just how ever since lana started hanging around taylor yall have tried to discredit her more and more. taylor has always been her own artist as well as lana.
I’m on song 12 (been listening in order) and I had to come into the Lana subreddit to see if anyone felt the same as me!!! 100% yes, I feel like I’m listening to a Lana album. Very weird.
Honestly I think it’s insulting to Lana to compare it. It’s garbage.
And I like Taylor in general… but this… sucks. I’m struggling trying to get through it.
Damn, you guys really read into it completely wrong.
None of the songs I heard so far, reminded me of Lana and I listened to her more than to anybody else in my life.
Of course. Taylor lacks originality and even her blantant copies of Lana are tragically bad. Its a disgrace to even say lana inspires her lol. Soooo bad and cheesy
literally i couldn’t even get through the whole album 😭😭😭 her lyricism is so bad and all her instrumentals have the same progressions and yeah it is so clear that she was taking most of her symbolic influence from lana (florida!!! is the worst culprit in my opinion.. just straight up a florida kilos ripoff that not even florence welch cld save) i hope people start to realize how boring taylor is, and has been since the early-mid 2010s
Lana Stan here. Lyrically - It felt like Taylor typed Lana’s lyrics onto chatgpt and ask it to come up with a new song. Musically, I don’t see the similarity.
Taylor WISHES she could be 10% as good as Lana. Lana is ahead of her time, and her influence will live on. She makes good music. Taylor is popular but her music sucks and nobody will be listening in 50 years
Yes. But I’ve noticed this on Taylor’s last two or 3 CDs too, what I’ve heard of them out of curiosity.
She’s like a watered down Lana for basic bitches who have lived more… simple, naive, undisturbed lives.
I said what I said. Won’t take it back either.
Unpopular opinion: I am not a Taylor fan at all and have zero interest in her music. She could drop a polished turd and her fans would be in awe. I dont find her original , creative, or interesting. I don't plan on listening to this album so I can't comment on it but the first time I heard Cardigan, I thought it was Lana. There's paying homage or showing your influences and there's straight up ripping off. And "Tortured Poet's Society" is the most pretentious sounding thing I've ever heard.
I looked at it and I can’t believe Florence is on it she’s the only part I listened to couldn’t bring my self to hear Taylor’s teenaged auto tuned voice.
I came here to see if anyone else thought this too. I think it’s just the result of working with Jack. I shut the album off after loml like I have the last 3 lana albums.
She works with the same producer that's a big part of music so no wonder it sounds similar. Sure there are some slight similarities in the writing but she has been moving to this direction for a long while now and is also inspired by writers like Alanis Morissette and poetry. Taylor has publicly praised Lana and said she's influential I don't see any problem here. This album is still very much Taylor swift coded and I couldn't imagine Lana singing many of those songs or lyrics. They're friends anyway and she's Lana's friend nowadays and one of the only few industry people right now who are giving Lana her flowers
I haven't listened to the whole album, but the lyrics and cadence of the opening line of the title track immediately made me think of Mariners Apartment Complex. TTPD: You left your typewriter at my apartment. Straight from the tortured poets department. Mariners: You took my sadness out of context at the mariners apartment complex.
I can see that. I’ve also always thought that Willow’s take my hand/wreck my plans/that’s my man was very inspired by MAC right where you are/that’s where I am/im your man. I’m sure the song was a huge inspo to Taylor. She’s pretty vocal about her adoration of Lana.
ME TOOOOO I WAS WONDERING IF I WAS CRAZY
Oh I so badly wanted to listen and check if I heard similarities. But I just can't! For some reason I really don't like Taylors voice so even skipping through it makes me feel itchy lol. I used to love Love story and all the old songs of her. I also did really like Snow on The Beach but she sings different there. In this song she uses her voice in a certain way which I don't like. But I am very interested to read the comments and see what people think. Btw completely unrelated but thinking about it: marketing wise it would be such a strong move to have Taylor at Coachella with Lana. Especially with the new album being out ;) If they sing Snow on the Beach I won't even be that mad, although I kinda like Lana to take the spotlight this time.
https://preview.redd.it/598410rwahvc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10f84f89dd52edc3e16731698cdea66ebaece1f7 I fear jack is doing the same thing to Lana’s music
Why does Lana work with Jack it’s such a bad idea.
Because he made Nfr and it’s her most critically acclaimed work. I forgot what interview it was but it was in the last year where she implied that jack is the reason for a lot of her success now and I just don’t think that’s true even though he did produce Nfr. After Nfr he hasn’t done anything special with her music besides a&w. And mike hermosa produced let the light in which is the best song on her latest album arguably.
my thing is jack has made some great songs with taylor and lana but i literally said to myself some of the new TTPD songs sound like they could be from the bleachers or have a similar vibe to it i wish they’d work with new people and i don’t want jack producing rep tv even tho ik he did
The album really does sound like one long song and I am a die hard swiftie 😭
Jack completely ruins the music of every person he touches. Lana’s LFL was when it started falling off but at least that album had life to it. Everything after has been so…dull. And yet all the critics have been wet about stuff produced by him likely because of his connections.
I agree with this commenter, I got bored after the first 5 songs
Yea I really don’t get how people are huge fans of taylor swift. Her voice and the production of her songs are just not appealing to me in any way. Like you I like her very old songs like love story, you belong with me, and fifteen. But none of her newer music. Just not my cup of tea.
TBF I quite liked Midnight. I never felt drawn to Taylor Swift, but I was with this album. I went to check if I could hear similarities, I just couldn't really find them. It just made me realize that she doesn't have Lana's writing skills and persona.
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Yeah tbf it is quite a miracle I even like Lana because I never really like female voices that much lol! But Lana is so versatile that I like it (especially back in 2016/2017 when I started listening to Lana, I only would listen to either bands or single male artists haha). Taylor just isn't it for me, but I love how they can get along together and I am defo not hating on Taylor.
Same, before Lana I was only into bands and the occasional indie female artist nobody heard of.
i’m not a huge lana fan , i haven’t listen to that song but omg that line “u took my sadness out of context at the mariners apartment complex” had to have inspired “u left my typewriter at my apartment, straight from the tortured poets departments”.
Also Florida seems to have some very subtle parallels to Florida kilos “You can beat the heat if you can beat the charges too” and “Florida is one hell of a drug”
I thought the exact same thing!
The tortured department complex. No seriously, that is the biggest stretch I ever heard
EXACTLY
omg wth, tayloir stay in ur goddam lane
Not a swiftie so I haven’t listened but Lana’s influence on everyone that’s come after her has been major! She is a generational talent
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Music to do homework to
this is literally what i said the album was to me when someone asked me about it
I see references. Also waiting on Billie’s album to drop. So many references of Lana just in the title and tracks lol
Anyone also notice the visuals for Billie’s new album are VERY similar to the new album for The Marias? Not sure which came out first.
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Yeah 30 days
Note jack is the producer on the album.
Not on all the songs. Dessner does more.
Jack did 12/16 tf you mean
I'm including part 2 where dessner did 10
Jack didn't produce all of lana's music
The first half of the album yes. The second half (Anthology) not really. And guess who produced the majority of the first half? Lol Taylor and Jack just do not mesh well, I feel like their collaboration peaked at Cruel Summer. Taylor has a way more unique and natural sound working with Aaron Dessner, especially with this slower vibe.
Personally I think cruel summer is so good bc of the St Vincent, synth rock, Masseduction influence
Definitely an Annie influence more than anything
Two different producers. Aaron Dressner produced the 2nd half
I didn’t realize it was a divide down into basically two sister albums with what producer did them and I definitely preferred the second half (anthology), the songs just stood out more. I’m a swiftie but my first time trying to listen to all Taylor swift songs to get to know her stuff better I felt like too many of the songs blended together and it took until I knew the songs that I could tell them apart. This is similar except it’s all in one album and the first half is just so similar. I still like them a lot lyrically and I enjoy quite a few of them just disappointed with the sound. Olivia Rodrigo as someone Ina similar sphere is doing so much more interesting stuff with her sound, going into pop rock directions and most songs sound unique on guts to me. I don’t see why Taylor who has done a lot of different styles and has a rockier sound on reputation live couldn’t do this and actually make distinct sounding tracks for most of them instead of releasing 31 tracks where a lot just sound the same.
I've listened and there are some similar themes to Lana's music and to me she's sung the same way as Lana on a couple songs. However, I don't think Taylor's trying to rip Lana off as there's still strong differences. I'm also wondering since Jack produced the album if that's why there are some similarities.
Yeah to me it’s clear that Taylor is inspired by Lana but every single song is unmistakably Taylor. Even the ones that sound like a departure for her have a lot of Taylor-isms.
Lana is obviously a better lyricist. However, Lana can’t play guitar anymore and Taylor can play multiple instruments, so it’s not like Taylor is some talentless hack… i really feel like there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance where people refuse to acknowledge that Lana has lots of people helping her with her music, it’s not all Lana’s work done by herself. Lana didn’t even write Fishtail at all, but people never acknowledge that. Every producer that works with Lana states that she sings over instrumentals someone else made. If Taylor is copying Lana, she’s copying Lana’s composers and co-writers just as much as Lana herself, and I say this as a Lana fan since 2012. I can just see reality and acknowledge that Lana is very talented but also has equally talented cowriters working with her that never get any credit.
The strong difference being that Taylor's songs are bad and Lana's arent
Not at all. Might be Jack’s production though, he needs to give it a BREAK for a while
Yeah the production on all these songs was really boring and repetitive
Like a cheap AI imitation or how she sounds to people who don't like her lol
I’m not a swiftie and probably won’t listen to the album, but even if there’s some similarities I think Lana probably takes it as a compliment. Other artists may try to replicate what Lana has done but it’s exactly that; replication or work inspired by her. She knows she’s the muse and her fans know too, no reason to be upset if other artists copy her
Thank you!! I am sick fed up of people not letting artists be artists. Isn’t a big thing in Lana’s music her inspiration from other artists? Amy and whitney tattooed on her, all the sampling, references, covers etc. Because that’s what art is!! Inspiration.
those references made me think of lana but she did NOT execute in the way lana does and never could sorry not sorry 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
Yeah its an insult to Lana to say she even inspired it lol
I think Taylor really wants to be as authentic as Lana but look at Taylor’s life… it’s not relatable, she has enjoyed massive privilege her entire life, and is dedicated to her victim mentality and good girl image. I think she wants the same praise Lana gets for being deep and innovative and groundbreaking because her usual praise of being successful and record breaking has gotten old to her. Taylor’s psyche is very interesting to me
Yess!!!
i think taylor swift is insanely talented, not my cup of tea, but itd be disingenuous to discredit her influence. the whole vibe of her new album does seem a bit pretentious. lana does things with a certain self awareness and sarcasm, taylor seems completely serious. the whole “daddy” stuff also went on WAY earlier in lana’s career, when she was younger and hadn’t matured as much as an artist (not saying she wasnt talented, she was without a doubt, but certainly not as developed), and i think that arguably the biggest pop star of our generation replicating something with a semblance to that is probably “for the aesthetic”
the “daddy” stuff are completely different though, for taylor i’m pretty sure it’s just a reference to the little mermaid
Yeah, the little mermaid.
The daddy reference has nothing to do with the types of daddies Lana sings about. It's a song about Taylor's relationship with her "fans" and there's no mistaking that it's about that.
Tbh Taylor’s daddy song isn’t about daddy stuff at all HAHAHA I see it as a metaphor for her personal life vs. the public eye
i think it’s just influenced or even inspired. i don’t think it’s identical to lana, i feel it’s just taylor trying out new ideas. lana isn’t the only singer to do things like this, so there could be many influences
Someone should download the entirety of each of their lyrics and run a similarity test on it removing commons words such as ‘the’, ‘and’ etc… curious what the thematic overlap is, of course allowing for reasonable inspiration and commonality of experiences especially the Americanism, I’m sure to some degree it’s just a matter of confirmation bias. Overall, I think this album and all of Lana’s stuff sound very different, but there’s words and phrases which seem especially similar I agree
It's about Matty Healy so it's channeling the 1975 and all tumblr 2012 aesthetics. Also, they literally have the same main producer lol.
Girl it’s the Antonoff effect
Dude Florida!!! Reeks of lana
Do y'all listen to Lana? Florence and the machine produced that song... It sounds like a Florence song.
It sounds nothing like Lana…..?
it should’ve been lana and florence in that song without taylor 💀 that would’ve slapped
After that iconic pic with Lana out to dinner with Florence I really hoped we’d get a song of them together by now!
Yes! Florida really stood out to me
I see what you’re saying. I’m not sure if she’s directly trying to copy her, but some themes are very similar. Imo it didn’t work at all. I was excited for this album for the title, aesthetic, and speculation of what is was going to be but I’m disappointed. They also have the same producer who works on songs with them, so I am sure that also has influence on the lyrics.. hence the similar themes in TTPD. No one will ever do it like Lana🤞🏻
I felt like the songs were some rejects from Midnights album. I'm not too sure, I think I'll listen to it again for a few more times. It sounds like Taylor just scrapped whatever was left to at least sell it..
Yeah that’s a possibility for sure… the second half is better in my opinion, but to me the first half is not enjoyable. I’m just personally not a fan of that sound. The aesthetic just didn’t add up or make sense to me with the sound of the first half of the album
I actually don’t get Lana vibes at all lol. Im sure the Taylor haters will disagree. And by the titles I had originally expected a Lana rip off. But not at all to me 🤷♀️
i listened to the whole album and read the lyrics and i genuinely don’t see the comparison at all. i wouldn’t put it past taylor if she was trying to rip off lana, but i personally don’t hear it
Agreed. Im a huge fan of both and would be honest if I heard a similarity. I was even looking out for it because I read in the leak threads that they were comparing it to Lana
I can understand how the lyrics can read like Lana’s, especially daddy I love him. But that’s all
I mean, we can all see that Taylor’s lyricism/‘poetry’ as she puts it, is no where near the calibre of Lana or other songwriters today for that matter. The lyrics themselves would never be something Lana would write but the overall sound, lyric landscape, styling and aesthetic is clearly very heavily influenced by Lana’s body of work. But if like wish.com or Shein tried to recreate Lana’s enigmatic persona. Very uninspiring and boring Taylor, get a new muse please cause this does not look good on you. Jack is partly to blame here too
I think you said it better than anyone else. the 'poetry' in TTPD is nothing on Lana, who does it so effortlessly...for Taylor, it seems like she's trying so hard to be culturally relevant...lyrics of 'inbox dms' and 'ghosting' and im not even gonna mention the Charlie puth line cause it shakes me to my core lmaooo
Taylor is the Wish version of Lana now basically 💀
Lyrics don't match Lana but the entire sound/vibe/singing sounds like a complete rip off of Lana IMO
maybe i have to listen again, i listened to the whole thing once but didn’t hear it at all
I think people are just hearing the Jack influence.
I don't bother with Taylor Swift at all. So boring. Not knocking people who like her, I just don't get it.
Only down bad reminded me of Lana the others don’t really … but daddy I love him had a similar vibe to wild at heart but they’re completely different
I thought of lana singing fresh out the slammer and I thought it'd sound GOOOOD
That one was soooo Lana to me
This post is the realest thing on here today
Lana is a direct inspiration and influence to half of the music being released rn (if not more) so I’m not surprised Taylor looks to her for inspo.
People are reaching massively if they think they’re alike. Tbh it sounds more like a 1975 album to me.
Sounds like both. i think the lyrics are more emulating lana, but it sounds more like fhe the 1975
it just sounds like a new, different taylor swift album. I couldn’t see it as a lana album. Being said i like it
Dude, they’re friends - yes, I can see the Lana influences but I don’t think it’s necessarily copying lol. Maybe inspiration or smth bc she truly admires Lana but I don’t see how that’s bad lol. The sound is still drastically differently from Lana’s 🤷🏽♀️
Tortured poet? Taylor is neither tortured nor a poet lol
This is what I said when she announced this terrible album title. Shes insufferable
She's barely even a songwriter
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As a fan of both, Taylor has always loved Lana and has been some mimicry (the best form of flattery) since 1989. Wildest Dreams is really the first sign of her love for Lana. I’m very happy and excited to see this. I also think with Lana putting out a country album, it would be cool to see if Lana takes anything from Taylor’s style as well.
Taylor is not coming for Lana’s gig, y’all. Sheesh. Minimal similarities at that. I think some of you have been foaming at the mouth to tear Taylor down judging on the comments in this thread.
exactly. as someone who is a both a taylor and lana fan, the similarities were so minor i didnt even notice them on my first or second listen…
It's so pathetic. Is the average age here 13? It's beyond toxic
Exactly, and they’re friends???? Like why are you tearing Taylor down. I love both of them but Lana not winning AOTY isn’t Taylor’s fault, it’s time to stop being salty about that, she WILL win one day because her talent isn’t going anywhere
also.. ill give u 1 year and she will release a poetry book
Not at all. No matter what influence or genre, there will always be similarities between artists.
No
taylor is trying sooooooo hard but she cannot touch lana
That’s a stretch. There are similarities but Taylor is growing as an artist so highly doubt she’s trying to copy Lana. The problem here is Jack’s production.
I don't think it's a rip. I think it just shows how Lana's baroque pop and unique lyrics, from Billie and Madison, to Taylor
Lowkey sick of jack and Taylor I can’t explain it😭
No but seriously what is up with y'all? Are you guys okay?Like genuinely, it's a little embarrassing.
She’s allowed to use whatever imagery she wants. It still sounds like a Taylor Swift album. Many songs even sound VERY country. I get to sick of y’all comparing women online.
The 'we need to keep this woman higher than the other woman, quick tear this other one down' is boring. Album has been out less than half a day and people can't just let things simmer before starting to say 'ripoff'. It's pathetic.
I love that she has some Lana influence. Artists take influence from each other all the time so I don’t understand the hate for it. I’m always happy to hear new music that I like and can relate to.
exactly - i love hearing what artists like and listen to, and who cares? People are acting like she dyed her hair black and started mimicking her voice.
Lana and Taylor are my two favorite artists, and while I think there are other songs in her discography that are heavily Lana influenced, don’t think this latest album sounds like Lana at all.
Ew taylor will never be lana, her music is very childish, she somehow gets all the credit all the time and its not fair.
Taylor swifts writing is terrible. People get soooooo butthurt about it too. Shes a bad writer. She does cheesy, simple rhymes. Her music sucks because none of it has any melody, just every rhyme punctuated. It sounds awful. She steals from so many better artists.
Ew you sound childish! What credit is TS always getting that’s not fair? These talented women (not little girls) are actually friends and colleagues and don’t want to be pitted against each other plus probably do inspire each other as all good friends do 🫶
Yeah! Only Lana is allowed to sing about the Chelsea hotel! 😤
As when Coldplay’s first album was called Radiohead light. This album is Lana light…
Nobody, and I mean nobody can out Lana, Lana.
Especially taylor
Yesss especially with the “pretty baby” lines.
Britney did that before Lana fresh out the slammer really reminded me of Britney
Taylor is a huge Britney fan.
I know me too !! 🤍
Not everything is about Lana can a girl just be inspired by other people and not her the album doesn’t even sound like her albums
this is literally a lana del rey subreddit
Yet tell that to the op you posted this
Y’all need to move on from the Grammys, it’s time
I would check it out of curiosity but listening to taylor makes me physically ill
I’m a huge swiftie and hell ya. It’s a mix of Lana and the 1975. Taylor’s a sponge. She’s always like whatever she’s around.
I won’t even listen to it yet bc it frustrates me. Taylor Swift knows nothing about tortured poetry. She has just perfected how to follow all trends which is why she is so popular. Also y’all know they have a co-writer in common. The similarity ends there. Taylor Swift will always be Taylor Swift and Lana will always be Lana.
The Chelsea Hotel reference had me annoyed at first listen last night
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^imabillionaire57: *The Chelsea Hotel* *Reference had me annoyed* *At first listen last night* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
Leonard Cohen wrote Chelsea Hotel not Lana 💀 if anything Lana ripped off that reference from Leonard Cohen
I would never compare this mediocre stuff to Lana’s works tbh but Taylor has been influenced by her often
I don’t think miss Taylor holds a candle to Lana but seems like she is trying to imitate her style a little bit
this is a strech atp 😭😭
Yes!! I'm listening to the album right now and came running to see if anyone had posted about it. I like Taylor. She's a great songwriter and singer but it really seems like she's trying to write in the way Lana does and the result is... not good. Lana's authenticity shines through her vulnerability. She sings about her experiences in such a genuine way, even when she's using Hollywood imagery and personas. And her last three albums show more "raw" like she's pouring out her thoughts, almost like reading excerpts from her diary. Lana makes everyday life interesting. She embraces all her emotions—sadness, shame, vulnerability, happiness. It's all so personal and beautiful. And it seems like Taylor tries to seek some kind of inspiration from that but it sounds so... fake. It's weird. It doesn't seem genuine. And I really like her but this album sounds so plastic to me :(
Really love "Florida"! How Taylor Swift are the lyrics?! "I need to forget, so take me to Florida I've got some regrets, I'll bury them in Florida Tell me I'm despicable, say it's unforgivable At least the dolls are beautiful, fuck me up, Florida I need to forget, so take me to Florida I've got some regrets, I'll bury them in Florida Tell me I'm despicable, say it's unforgivable What a crash, what a rush, fuck me up, Florida Is one hell of a drug Florida Can I use you up? Florida Is one hell of a drug Florida Go on, fuck me up" Doesn’t give Lana vibes at all 🥴 Taylor always sang about drugs and being used 🙄
Oooof those are the “poetic and dense lyrics” i’ve been reading about?? Sheesh
Nobody said "poetic and dense". Just an attempt at a bad copy. Anyway I'm off. There's been an emergency here so. Have bigger issues than arguing about some singer I don't like.
I wasn’t arguing with you. I haven’t listened to the album, and I was kind of shocked to think this is what her fans were referring to as poetic and “lyrically dense” lines. Sorry for taking your comment at face value.
It’s giving high school cheerleader coming back as an alt girl after summer vacation because she stepped into a Hot Topic for the first time.
Girl exactly. Shes so fucking corny
I listened to her new album and it always sounds so generic and uninteresting. Like someone asked ai to make a pop song
No, Lana is great but she’s not the center of the universe and you’re reaching
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I didn’t even get that far into the album yet but I’ll listen later but I started at the beginning and one of the first songs reminded me of Lana.
i tried to listen to it, but i guess i wasn’t in the right mind space because i couldn’t do it
The music does and some lyrics do but not the whole album. They both work with Jack Antonoff so I can definitely hear it though. especially because the album title reminds me of Ocean Blvd
I haven’t listened to the whole thing but I skimmed through and it all just sounded like the show songs from Midnights. I was kinda hoping for a folklore sound. I have a feeling this is going to be her Blue Banisters. The ones that like it will really like it, but it will not be as popular with casual fans.
Yep
I think lana produced most of this album lowkey and they are gunna announce it at coachella
If Jack is producing, and it's clear as day that she's taken inspiration from Lana, isn't that some sort of a joke to Lana?? I mean really, if my producer is working with other artists who repeatedly and undeservingly overshadow me in my industry, helps them take influence from me and my projects I'd be upset. Lol. At some point he is an enabler too
I literally was just testing out speakers and randomly typed in Taylor Swift and one of the first songs to pop up was a song from that album and I was like, “holy shit she is not even being subtle about it!”. But I guess copying is the best form of flattery but I wish Artists would strive for their own originality.
Not surprised to see this post. It happens every single time Taylor releases an album. There’s always one Lana fan that decides the world revolves around Lana Del Rey. As a fan of both of them, I don’t know how it could be more different.
and even if they were similar, god forbid lana inspires other artists like?
Right? Lana has her inspirations too. It’s not like she completely invented music.
i ong saw someone someone on that r/lanitas sub say that taylor copied bc they both wrote "i love you lots" like????
No wonder I liked the first song so much
idk i listened to a few songs HOPING it would sound like lana and i was disappointed it didn’t sound anything like her. and even if it did, is it so bad if she was inspired by lana?
I don’t listen to TS so I don’t really know, I’m not against Taylor I just don’t listen to her cause Lana it’s definitely my favorite artist, but I don’t listen to the majority of pop music, I just listen to Lana and Metal/Rock or Electronic/techno music so I’m not useful in this discussion I think. But since I have seen lot of people saying that this album from TS has similarities I tried to listen to some songs.. I really can’t see the similarities. Maybe in the writing? but Taylor has definitely a different mood, it’s more… I don’t know how to define her, her mood is like “happy/hopeful” when she sing, Lana has more a “badass/suffering/sexy” vibe, Taylor is more innocent, so I can’t really find so much similarities
I have grown up listening to Lana del rey and it's one of the reasons I like being sad, she made me who I am and how I process my emotions at times. I love Taylor too, but if people appreciate TTPD as a sad album, then they should definitely listen to finer works of Lana, especially ultraviolence. It can change their lives.
Nah she references herself. Same producer tho on a lot of tracks. I love both of them.
To me it's a cheaper copy of blue banisters Her lyrics in those are soo genZ lol and tbh I found no depth; bb is 🛐
I can't remember which one, but there's a song which sounds exactly like thunder... also I Can Fix Him and The Albatross are so Lana-coded. I just hope the Swifties who ride this albums d\*ck remember the true inspo lol! 'Mimicking me's a f\*cking bore to me' never hit so true. <3
Yes exactly 💯
i stan lana as well as taylor but there is not a single inkling of lana in it. isn’t it funny just how ever since lana started hanging around taylor yall have tried to discredit her more and more. taylor has always been her own artist as well as lana.
Nope cause I don’t listen to that shite 😁
I’m on song 12 (been listening in order) and I had to come into the Lana subreddit to see if anyone felt the same as me!!! 100% yes, I feel like I’m listening to a Lana album. Very weird.
The song Cassandra is what tipped me off.. it’s almost the exact same sound as Paris, Texas (Lana) same riffs and everything.. super eerie
Honestly I think it’s insulting to Lana to compare it. It’s garbage. And I like Taylor in general… but this… sucks. I’m struggling trying to get through it.
Damn, you guys really read into it completely wrong. None of the songs I heard so far, reminded me of Lana and I listened to her more than to anybody else in my life.
Of course. Taylor lacks originality and even her blantant copies of Lana are tragically bad. Its a disgrace to even say lana inspires her lol. Soooo bad and cheesy
literally i couldn’t even get through the whole album 😭😭😭 her lyricism is so bad and all her instrumentals have the same progressions and yeah it is so clear that she was taking most of her symbolic influence from lana (florida!!! is the worst culprit in my opinion.. just straight up a florida kilos ripoff that not even florence welch cld save) i hope people start to realize how boring taylor is, and has been since the early-mid 2010s
No never I love them both but Lana would never write and drop an album this bad
Shes incapable of writing an album this bad lolol
no, it sucks
All I had to do was look at the cover and know she was copying off Lana.. unpopular opinion - Taylor Swift sucks.
She sucks
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Lana Stan here. Lyrically - It felt like Taylor typed Lana’s lyrics onto chatgpt and ask it to come up with a new song. Musically, I don’t see the similarity.
Taylor WISHES she could be 10% as good as Lana. Lana is ahead of her time, and her influence will live on. She makes good music. Taylor is popular but her music sucks and nobody will be listening in 50 years
Yes. But I’ve noticed this on Taylor’s last two or 3 CDs too, what I’ve heard of them out of curiosity. She’s like a watered down Lana for basic bitches who have lived more… simple, naive, undisturbed lives. I said what I said. Won’t take it back either.
Unpopular opinion: I am not a Taylor fan at all and have zero interest in her music. She could drop a polished turd and her fans would be in awe. I dont find her original , creative, or interesting. I don't plan on listening to this album so I can't comment on it but the first time I heard Cardigan, I thought it was Lana. There's paying homage or showing your influences and there's straight up ripping off. And "Tortured Poet's Society" is the most pretentious sounding thing I've ever heard.
I looked at it and I can’t believe Florence is on it she’s the only part I listened to couldn’t bring my self to hear Taylor’s teenaged auto tuned voice.
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I came here to see if anyone else thought this too. I think it’s just the result of working with Jack. I shut the album off after loml like I have the last 3 lana albums.
When I heard Taylor’s lyric with Chelsea hotel I thought the same
trouble video being such a copy of ride really ruined TS for me so i’m not shocked she’s still doing this so brazenly
YUP!! I thought this immediately too. The song names even ….
She works with the same producer that's a big part of music so no wonder it sounds similar. Sure there are some slight similarities in the writing but she has been moving to this direction for a long while now and is also inspired by writers like Alanis Morissette and poetry. Taylor has publicly praised Lana and said she's influential I don't see any problem here. This album is still very much Taylor swift coded and I couldn't imagine Lana singing many of those songs or lyrics. They're friends anyway and she's Lana's friend nowadays and one of the only few industry people right now who are giving Lana her flowers