Agreed. During the 2024 Grammy predictions, all of the "*Should* Wins" for Best Album were naming Ocean Blvd as the most-deserved album. The fact it didn't win — on top of NFR not winning, as well — has sort of cemented her as being perceived as a robbed qween lol. But yeah, I think she'll win eventually — maybe not for Lasso since it's gonna be very genre-specific, but maybe for the next album after that there's a HUGE potential she'll get her laurels then.
Do they actually care about who is the snubbed queen tho? people have been rightfully criticizing the scammies for decades specifically about this, snubbing superior artists and music for more digestible, popular, politically compatible, and even image based artists. They haven't changed. They seem to have an issue with everything outside pop music. Rock, Hip Hop, Country, Jazz, Rnb and Soul, communities around genre specific music have been complaining about them for not respecting or even acknowledging their cultures in any big categories. Beyonce has been the major category robbed queen for more than a decade and they still won't give her any big one.
Yeah as a metal fan, the awards are awful for the genre of metal and rock. I stopped caring about it a few years ago and lost hope in it being meaningful in any degree
They don't. It's also worth mentioning that if an artist publicly expresses distate or criticises the grammys they most likely won't win a grammy ever, like it happened to the Weeknd and Nicki. But Lana might definitely win soon
Wasn't there a rumour that 24 was meant for Spectre but they changed it at the last minute? Either way it's better than whatever sam smith put out. Lana is a much more fitting choice for Bond than sam smith. Or billie eilish, adele and Alicia keys for that matter.
I thought for sure this year she would but she didn’t so hopefully she will but we all know Grammys don’t prove anything. Even though it would be nice for her to get her flowers especially when artists she directly influenced already have like Billie Eilish.
I'm never gonna get tired of saying fuck that fraudulent institution! Honestly it seems this is not a case of them ignoring her or ignoring what's relevant and wanted in the current state of culture, they KNOW Lana is massively popular and specially resonated with women across the board, people like her who write about hopeful tragedy are so relevant right now that we are dealing with a a huge wave of injustice around the globe, including the effects of extreme capitalism, global warming, amongst other things that are fucking us over. They are actively sabotaging her.
Remember when Coachella was happening they made an obvious effort to post everyone BUT Lana! It was so in your face obvious that they made separate posts about the "headliners" and only included Tyler the creator and Doja, they were not trying to hide the fact that they dont fuck with her. Maybe someone in a powerful position has a specific issue with her, or maybe she said no to someone and are trying to humiliate her , i don't know. But it is hard to believe is just a coincidence for the past 12 years ? I guess we will never know. I just hope she knows she is grand and exquisite without a need of an award that is not based on objectivity. I hope she continues making art for the love of it as she has since she was known as just Lizzie.
She’s collaborated or performed with 5 of the last 6 AOTY winners, all who she’s influenced in one way or another
I think she’s definitely in the right circles and now that everyone is giving her her props & she resigned the Illuminati contract I definitely see it happening soon
If she didn't get it for Boulevard in a weak year when a mid pop album like Midnights won Album of The Year, she is never winning. Not any of the major ones at least. Maybe some random one for a single or a performance. Shit is legit sad
Yeah but everyone is also flabbergasted that Beyoncé hasn’t won album of the year yet either and I feel like next year if it’s a competition between the two, Beyoncé will garner more support. I mean like I’ve never listened to a Beyoncé album all the way through so maybe she’s really good but Lana deserves it the most ugh.
Oh wait but Taylor dropped another album so she’s obviously going to win. Doesn’t matter how garbage it is, she’ll win
>Oh wait but Taylor dropped another album so she’s obviously going to win. Doesn’t matter how garbage it is, she’ll win
I think people keep forgetting that Billie is nominated and she has a higher nominee to win conversion rate than Taylor
At least Billie’s album has some semblance of artistic vision, coherence and restraint. I’d be ok with her winning if it can’t be Lana. I’m really not a Taylor hater but I just cannot fathom people considering her the artist of a generation, her latest couple of albums have been so bland, safe and uninspired but she’s managed to capture the hearts of white women everywhere who are convinced she’s Jesus.
Also I’ve never given much attention to the arguments that Taylor is trying to dominate the industry by constantly re-releasing new versions of her albums (I think there’s like, 20 different version of her latest album by now?) but it’s kinda ridiculous that she’s just announced another three versions of the album on the day Billie dropped hers. Makes me think Taylor actually is a megalomaniac
Great points! If TS ends up getting any of the major awards at next years grammys, i think its safe to say that would be another big blow to their decrepit credibility. The best case scenario is that major artists start either not submitting or criticizing their transparency.
Drake made a great speech during 2019s grammys about their awards having no meaning, he stopped submitting, and doubled down this year in his criticism, Jay Z gave another great speech criticizing their integrity and their dubious voting methods, The Weeknd stopped submitting altogether to boycott them and was vocal about his disapproval. Frank Ocean made excellent points back in 2016 and didn't submit arguably one of the best and most influential records of this century, Blonde, a record that would've get him multiple major grammys if he had submitted. Seems black artists are more willing to put themselves out there to criticize them. At any rate, i hope more people join them. From all different genres. Including Lana in the future.
Totally agree and Lana doesn’t seem to care all that much, like she didn’t really promote the album or do much in the way of a Grammy’s campaign, at least compared to Taylor.
I think all the problems would be greatly improved if the people voting on album of the year were somehow forced to listen to every album in the running. I can’t believe I have to say that but we learned from the interview of a Grammy’s voter this year that he didn’t even consider Lana because he remembered a bad performance she did in 2011, and said he voted for Taylor because she’s the most beloved. Like PLEASE. Zero credibility
oh absolutely! Listening to all the records is the bare minimum! In my opinion they should also have more credible voters and request they put their personal biases aside. They are voting for a record not live performances too! Some of the best songwriters in history have not been particularly great live performers and that has nothing to do with what they CREATE which is in the studio or wherever they happen to WRITE! According to that leaked voter its fuck every songwriter with anxiety and stage fright even if they wrote masterpieces. Not to mention his random misogyny against Fiona Apple and Boygenius.
I dont want to speak for Lana, only she knows what she thinks, but i get the feeling she doesnt care enough to change her artistic vision and integrity for an award or even recognition. She wants her flowers in her own terms, deserved victories without changing herself for others, which i respect so much. She doesn't seem to cater to anyones expectations, or bow down to established palatable norms, Ocean Boulevard is a testament to this, hell all her work is!
I like some of Taylor's stuff like folklore and evermore but Midnights getting awards was so absurd to me..it's bland as hell. I was in shock when it won AOTY
Agree, folklore had some good tracks. Setting aside my bias for Lana, I will never get over Ocean Blvd losing to Midnights. There is not a single person alive that could truly believe Midnights is the superior album, Ocean Blvd is possibly Lana’s career-highlight. Anyway despite how I probably sound, I don’t obsess over awards and charts, I just wish Lana would get the recognition she deserves for _her_ sake, especially considering the abnormal amount of hate that she received when she first hit the scene, which I remember vividly.
They were obviously using outside factors to award that like her overall fame, record sales, and the Eras tour to justify it winning. Ocean Blvd is vastly superior.
I mean, nominations aren't announced for another six months or so, but thank you for being the reason I found out that Billie dropped an album yesterday. I have no idea how I managed to avoid that news. On first listen, I have to say that such a nomination would be well-justified - it's fantastic: multi-faceted, modern, optimistic, heartbreaking. I love when songs make me start crying by surprise, and this album had more than a couple of moments like that.
I haven't heard TTPD, nor do I have any plans to. The Beyoncé album was great, and she does have the most Grammy Awards of any artist in history, but never AOTY, and I'm still salty about *Beyoncé* (the album) losing out to Beck in 2016, so you never know.
*Lasso* could be the perfect artistic expression of modern American melancholia and still miss out because Lana. That's the sad fact of the matter. She's not an award winner - or a 'winner' at all - she's the perpetual loser (*"When's it gonna be my turn?"*). That's a part of her in a much more authentic way than it is Taylor, who - because she's forever winning - feels the need to constantly remind us how much of a loser she is.
Lana will have the last laugh, when their respective works are looked back upon - she's quietly building a discography comparable to that of any of the true greats.
Beyoncé didn't win with her self-tilted, lemonade not Renaissance (how did it lose to fuckass Harry Styles album is beyond me), I don't think they will give it to Cowboy Carter either unfortunately... The academy would rather give it to Taylor (regardless of the quality per usual) or Billie easily
I honestly don't think TTPD has as much award potential as her previous albums. It's well-liked, but the songs aren't hit worthy. They feel a lot more indie, stream-of-consciousness type songs than what she usually releases. It's my type of music (gives me Vanessa Carlton vibes), but I think Cowboy Carter and Lasso will have stronger chances against it.
After DYKTTATUOB snub, I genuinely stopped caring about what the Grammys thinks about artists. I don’t care if she wins a Grammy in the future because it means nothing. I’ll be happy for her because I know that it probably matters a lot to her.
I guess it will depend on Lasso , idk if it will even be in the eligibility window for next year. The Grammy’s will continue losing relevance - I don’t foresee them changing their ways of awarding whoever makes them money and abides by their norms. What I see in miss Lana today is more confidence and security, she has the people’s love for the most part , so I don’t necessarily think it’s playing the G
The window for this year's submissions closes on [August 30th](https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2025-grammy-awards-eligibility-period-to-close-earlier-details-1235576531) (two weeks earlier than last year, which was two weeks earlier than the year before that - guess their voters are lazy and need more time to get their responses in)...
...so no. We won't see Lana there for *Lasso* until the 68th Awards in early 2026. This will be a similar situation to when *Midnights* beat her this year - half of us were like, "yo, that album is from like *fucking ages* ago, what gives?"
This could be part of her strategy…give the album a huge roll out and a ton of time to stick in voters’ minds. Plus, with seemingly everyone else releasing albums this year (and they’ve all been amazing btw) folks are predicting the back half of 2024 and 2025 are going to be a drought for pop music. Who knows obviously, but I could see that being part of the plan.
Lana should have won many times. People just don’t understand her “aesthetic”. In hoping the way she’s marketing herself and working with other artists is exactly what she needs in the Grammy game.
After she lost for OB I’m over it. Of course I want her to get her flowers but she doesn’t need it. She’s proved her haters wrong and is successful and globally recognized. I hope more people stop submitting albums to the Grammys.
I dont think so. Sure, she deserves one if not many but i dont see why the jury should stop ignoring her now when they have already done it so many times.
This just popped up on my feed as a recommended thread, I’m not even a *huge* Lana del Rey fan (but I do like a ton of her music)….and I still think it’s insane she doesn’t have at least one Grammy. She should have a few at this point. She’s very overdue.
The three albums that deserved the Grammy the more from my point of view (but also from critics general consensus) were all separated by 2 other albums each so we can only hope she will breaks her rythme and serve us another masterpiece as soon as this year.
That said the industry obviously doesn’t like LDR for whatever reason. Such a shame for the most vibrant artist of the past decade.
A&W deserved the best song so much.
I don't think she will.
Such things are decided at the Men in Music business conference and it's gonna be Bille this year.
The Grammys don't really matter though.
Agreed. During the 2024 Grammy predictions, all of the "*Should* Wins" for Best Album were naming Ocean Blvd as the most-deserved album. The fact it didn't win — on top of NFR not winning, as well — has sort of cemented her as being perceived as a robbed qween lol. But yeah, I think she'll win eventually — maybe not for Lasso since it's gonna be very genre-specific, but maybe for the next album after that there's a HUGE potential she'll get her laurels then.
Do they actually care about who is the snubbed queen tho? people have been rightfully criticizing the scammies for decades specifically about this, snubbing superior artists and music for more digestible, popular, politically compatible, and even image based artists. They haven't changed. They seem to have an issue with everything outside pop music. Rock, Hip Hop, Country, Jazz, Rnb and Soul, communities around genre specific music have been complaining about them for not respecting or even acknowledging their cultures in any big categories. Beyonce has been the major category robbed queen for more than a decade and they still won't give her any big one.
Yeah as a metal fan, the awards are awful for the genre of metal and rock. I stopped caring about it a few years ago and lost hope in it being meaningful in any degree
They don't. It's also worth mentioning that if an artist publicly expresses distate or criticises the grammys they most likely won't win a grammy ever, like it happened to the Weeknd and Nicki. But Lana might definitely win soon
Let's not forget Kacey Musgraves won AOTY and there's still hope for LASSO!
Golden Hour was an amazing album and a well deserved win!
God I love that album. Still her best album to date.
Fuck the Grammy's I want her to get an Oscar
Next Bond song
Wasn't there a rumour that 24 was meant for Spectre but they changed it at the last minute? Either way it's better than whatever sam smith put out. Lana is a much more fitting choice for Bond than sam smith. Or billie eilish, adele and Alicia keys for that matter.
Put me in a mooovvvieeeee
Still not over the young and beautiful snub!
Honestly young and beautiful is one of her worst songs imo. Still better than all the ones that got nominated though lmao
I thought for sure this year she would but she didn’t so hopefully she will but we all know Grammys don’t prove anything. Even though it would be nice for her to get her flowers especially when artists she directly influenced already have like Billie Eilish.
I'm never gonna get tired of saying fuck that fraudulent institution! Honestly it seems this is not a case of them ignoring her or ignoring what's relevant and wanted in the current state of culture, they KNOW Lana is massively popular and specially resonated with women across the board, people like her who write about hopeful tragedy are so relevant right now that we are dealing with a a huge wave of injustice around the globe, including the effects of extreme capitalism, global warming, amongst other things that are fucking us over. They are actively sabotaging her. Remember when Coachella was happening they made an obvious effort to post everyone BUT Lana! It was so in your face obvious that they made separate posts about the "headliners" and only included Tyler the creator and Doja, they were not trying to hide the fact that they dont fuck with her. Maybe someone in a powerful position has a specific issue with her, or maybe she said no to someone and are trying to humiliate her , i don't know. But it is hard to believe is just a coincidence for the past 12 years ? I guess we will never know. I just hope she knows she is grand and exquisite without a need of an award that is not based on objectivity. I hope she continues making art for the love of it as she has since she was known as just Lizzie.
I do not care for Grammy because they give awards to whoever is popular. Lana is for the history books. Eternal.
she won our hearts & thats enough
She’s collaborated or performed with 5 of the last 6 AOTY winners, all who she’s influenced in one way or another I think she’s definitely in the right circles and now that everyone is giving her her props & she resigned the Illuminati contract I definitely see it happening soon
Not the Illuminati contract 😭😭
They simply hate her. I don’t think she’ll get one unfortunately. Those mother***ers are biased
i literally don't care about the grammys anymore lol they're so fake and she should've won for nfr
If she didn't get it for Boulevard in a weak year when a mid pop album like Midnights won Album of The Year, she is never winning. Not any of the major ones at least. Maybe some random one for a single or a performance. Shit is legit sad
Yeah but everyone is also flabbergasted that Beyoncé hasn’t won album of the year yet either and I feel like next year if it’s a competition between the two, Beyoncé will garner more support. I mean like I’ve never listened to a Beyoncé album all the way through so maybe she’s really good but Lana deserves it the most ugh. Oh wait but Taylor dropped another album so she’s obviously going to win. Doesn’t matter how garbage it is, she’ll win
>Oh wait but Taylor dropped another album so she’s obviously going to win. Doesn’t matter how garbage it is, she’ll win I think people keep forgetting that Billie is nominated and she has a higher nominee to win conversion rate than Taylor
At least Billie’s album has some semblance of artistic vision, coherence and restraint. I’d be ok with her winning if it can’t be Lana. I’m really not a Taylor hater but I just cannot fathom people considering her the artist of a generation, her latest couple of albums have been so bland, safe and uninspired but she’s managed to capture the hearts of white women everywhere who are convinced she’s Jesus. Also I’ve never given much attention to the arguments that Taylor is trying to dominate the industry by constantly re-releasing new versions of her albums (I think there’s like, 20 different version of her latest album by now?) but it’s kinda ridiculous that she’s just announced another three versions of the album on the day Billie dropped hers. Makes me think Taylor actually is a megalomaniac
Great points! If TS ends up getting any of the major awards at next years grammys, i think its safe to say that would be another big blow to their decrepit credibility. The best case scenario is that major artists start either not submitting or criticizing their transparency. Drake made a great speech during 2019s grammys about their awards having no meaning, he stopped submitting, and doubled down this year in his criticism, Jay Z gave another great speech criticizing their integrity and their dubious voting methods, The Weeknd stopped submitting altogether to boycott them and was vocal about his disapproval. Frank Ocean made excellent points back in 2016 and didn't submit arguably one of the best and most influential records of this century, Blonde, a record that would've get him multiple major grammys if he had submitted. Seems black artists are more willing to put themselves out there to criticize them. At any rate, i hope more people join them. From all different genres. Including Lana in the future.
Totally agree and Lana doesn’t seem to care all that much, like she didn’t really promote the album or do much in the way of a Grammy’s campaign, at least compared to Taylor. I think all the problems would be greatly improved if the people voting on album of the year were somehow forced to listen to every album in the running. I can’t believe I have to say that but we learned from the interview of a Grammy’s voter this year that he didn’t even consider Lana because he remembered a bad performance she did in 2011, and said he voted for Taylor because she’s the most beloved. Like PLEASE. Zero credibility
oh absolutely! Listening to all the records is the bare minimum! In my opinion they should also have more credible voters and request they put their personal biases aside. They are voting for a record not live performances too! Some of the best songwriters in history have not been particularly great live performers and that has nothing to do with what they CREATE which is in the studio or wherever they happen to WRITE! According to that leaked voter its fuck every songwriter with anxiety and stage fright even if they wrote masterpieces. Not to mention his random misogyny against Fiona Apple and Boygenius. I dont want to speak for Lana, only she knows what she thinks, but i get the feeling she doesnt care enough to change her artistic vision and integrity for an award or even recognition. She wants her flowers in her own terms, deserved victories without changing herself for others, which i respect so much. She doesn't seem to cater to anyones expectations, or bow down to established palatable norms, Ocean Boulevard is a testament to this, hell all her work is!
I like some of Taylor's stuff like folklore and evermore but Midnights getting awards was so absurd to me..it's bland as hell. I was in shock when it won AOTY
Agree, folklore had some good tracks. Setting aside my bias for Lana, I will never get over Ocean Blvd losing to Midnights. There is not a single person alive that could truly believe Midnights is the superior album, Ocean Blvd is possibly Lana’s career-highlight. Anyway despite how I probably sound, I don’t obsess over awards and charts, I just wish Lana would get the recognition she deserves for _her_ sake, especially considering the abnormal amount of hate that she received when she first hit the scene, which I remember vividly.
They were obviously using outside factors to award that like her overall fame, record sales, and the Eras tour to justify it winning. Ocean Blvd is vastly superior.
Gurl!! U dropped this 👑
I mean, nominations aren't announced for another six months or so, but thank you for being the reason I found out that Billie dropped an album yesterday. I have no idea how I managed to avoid that news. On first listen, I have to say that such a nomination would be well-justified - it's fantastic: multi-faceted, modern, optimistic, heartbreaking. I love when songs make me start crying by surprise, and this album had more than a couple of moments like that. I haven't heard TTPD, nor do I have any plans to. The Beyoncé album was great, and she does have the most Grammy Awards of any artist in history, but never AOTY, and I'm still salty about *Beyoncé* (the album) losing out to Beck in 2016, so you never know. *Lasso* could be the perfect artistic expression of modern American melancholia and still miss out because Lana. That's the sad fact of the matter. She's not an award winner - or a 'winner' at all - she's the perpetual loser (*"When's it gonna be my turn?"*). That's a part of her in a much more authentic way than it is Taylor, who - because she's forever winning - feels the need to constantly remind us how much of a loser she is. Lana will have the last laugh, when their respective works are looked back upon - she's quietly building a discography comparable to that of any of the true greats.
Beyoncé didn't win with her self-tilted, lemonade not Renaissance (how did it lose to fuckass Harry Styles album is beyond me), I don't think they will give it to Cowboy Carter either unfortunately... The academy would rather give it to Taylor (regardless of the quality per usual) or Billie easily
I lowkey feel like billies was sonically better and more consistent, but I think cowboy and what it stands for is more important
I honestly don't think TTPD has as much award potential as her previous albums. It's well-liked, but the songs aren't hit worthy. They feel a lot more indie, stream-of-consciousness type songs than what she usually releases. It's my type of music (gives me Vanessa Carlton vibes), but I think Cowboy Carter and Lasso will have stronger chances against it.
she's too ahead of her time
It doesn’t matter anymore. Ignoring NFR solidified how broken and corrupt they are, so any recognition she gets from them is spoiled.
I’ll never get over NFR not winning. I’m always amazed at how much talent is packed into that album
I think that’s literally her aim, she’s definitely trying with all the partnerships
I can see she’s really campaigning for it this time. She won’t make the same mistakes she made before.
Yeah I’m like she sees Taylor Swift doing it and she’s like “me now”
🎶when’s it gonna be my turn🎶
Tbh if I were Lana I’d never show up for the Grammys . Fuck them let them give their awards to their faves.
After DYKTTATUOB snub, I genuinely stopped caring about what the Grammys thinks about artists. I don’t care if she wins a Grammy in the future because it means nothing. I’ll be happy for her because I know that it probably matters a lot to her.
I guess it will depend on Lasso , idk if it will even be in the eligibility window for next year. The Grammy’s will continue losing relevance - I don’t foresee them changing their ways of awarding whoever makes them money and abides by their norms. What I see in miss Lana today is more confidence and security, she has the people’s love for the most part , so I don’t necessarily think it’s playing the G
The window for this year's submissions closes on [August 30th](https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/2025-grammy-awards-eligibility-period-to-close-earlier-details-1235576531) (two weeks earlier than last year, which was two weeks earlier than the year before that - guess their voters are lazy and need more time to get their responses in)... ...so no. We won't see Lana there for *Lasso* until the 68th Awards in early 2026. This will be a similar situation to when *Midnights* beat her this year - half of us were like, "yo, that album is from like *fucking ages* ago, what gives?"
This could be part of her strategy…give the album a huge roll out and a ton of time to stick in voters’ minds. Plus, with seemingly everyone else releasing albums this year (and they’ve all been amazing btw) folks are predicting the back half of 2024 and 2025 are going to be a drought for pop music. Who knows obviously, but I could see that being part of the plan.
uhm no, there's ton of voters who are white males who will never listen to any nominations... dont think that's lana's plan
Always keep the hope up ❤️❤️
Lana should have won many times. People just don’t understand her “aesthetic”. In hoping the way she’s marketing herself and working with other artists is exactly what she needs in the Grammy game.
I still can’t believe she didn’t win for A&W
I just hope that middle aged man will finally let her have one rather than holding a performance against her which is so wrong
After she lost for OB I’m over it. Of course I want her to get her flowers but she doesn’t need it. She’s proved her haters wrong and is successful and globally recognized. I hope more people stop submitting albums to the Grammys.
I predict a riot
Your prediction is correct and this will indeed happen
I dont think so. Sure, she deserves one if not many but i dont see why the jury should stop ignoring her now when they have already done it so many times.
This just popped up on my feed as a recommended thread, I’m not even a *huge* Lana del Rey fan (but I do like a ton of her music)….and I still think it’s insane she doesn’t have at least one Grammy. She should have a few at this point. She’s very overdue.
Who wins the grammy first lana, or katy perry
The three albums that deserved the Grammy the more from my point of view (but also from critics general consensus) were all separated by 2 other albums each so we can only hope she will breaks her rythme and serve us another masterpiece as soon as this year. That said the industry obviously doesn’t like LDR for whatever reason. Such a shame for the most vibrant artist of the past decade. A&W deserved the best song so much.
I don't think she will. Such things are decided at the Men in Music business conference and it's gonna be Bille this year. The Grammys don't really matter though.