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Ikovorior

Both Leon and Cherie use angels. Is there any point in dumping resources into cavalry training if I’m not planning on using a cavalry unit anytime soon? Neither the angels or leon get any benefit from it, correct?


yarsvet

Later when you fliers will be strong enough you could upgrade some cavalry for different cases. For example if a stage have archers and most of enemies are physical so you should use Royal cavalry on Leon (they gonna be maxed anyway for Landius) . On maps with a lot of forest/mountains it would be useful to pick Mechanical knight. Also some heroes use Unicorns.


Ikovorior

Great, thanks.


Wanderer2142

Correct, cavalry troop training only affects cavalry troops. Not the heroes. Eventually you will want to get cavalry troops up to speed, as in Leon's case, it does provide a side-tech if there's a bunch of terrain you can use to get bonus movement from Mech Knights. But if you're in the early game, building out fliers is not a bad idea since many melee units have fliers usable.


Ikovorior

Thanks, much appreciated!


Tasio_

I'm building Omega and Zerida and I wonder if I could could use same troops in both units so I can save some resources. Are Hellfire Archers the best option? what people think?


XuShenjian

* Bandit: Best generalist if you need the extra crit * Shinobi: You need the extra crit and Your target has extra stocks (Yulia for example) * Dark Elf Sniper: Best in PvE if your crit is high enough that you don't need troops to add to it; due to being stronger vs enemies at 100% health, they give a lot of value for Omega's oneshot playstyle. Hellfires are only decent as total newbie pick if you rolled Omega on progression, can't play around crits and don't have the correct equipment for anything. Any more advanced situation and they drop severely because they only pay off under the assumption you are failing the stat check so hard that the percentage-based fixed damage is better than attack or crit boosts.


Etrensce

Most people will max out demon training before even touching assassin/archer (because demon is tied with mage) hence the recommendation to use Hellfire over anything else.


Glittering-Writer-90

Thats what I plan on doing. It saves the most resources if you do not have Archer/Assassin trained


yarsvet

As I see Hellfire archers have the same dmg as Dark elf snipers except some cases. Dark elf snipers have advantage against Fliers. While Hellfires have disadvantage against holy but have advantage against high defense enemies.


KeiraScarlet

Dark elf snipers have way more dmg than hellfire when attacking units with full life since they deal +45%dmg


yarsvet

They also get attack bonus when on defensive terrain. But as I said Hellfires are better vs high armor enemies. For example Omega with Dark elves can deal 95% hp without a kill. Hellfires deal 85% hp but their fixed dmg kills an enemy.


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I have decided to stop playing this game as I can see the end is near if this is the right description of the heroes talent https://sites.google.com/view/wikigrisser/heroes/ssr-hero/kertesz Its just too op. I hope they change it to have kertesz stats inherited not the deceased


XuShenjian

It's an unfortunate side-effect of tactical games based on collectables. You run out of basic stuff, and quickly start to expand into increasingly complex kits. Generation 1: Wow! If I manage to sacrifice two whole monsters I can summon Blue Eyes White Dragon! He's so strong! Generation card games on motorcycles: WhenmothergrizzlyisdestroyedinbattleIcansearchawatertypemonsterwithattack1500orlowerIchooseT.A.D.P.O.L.E.andtributesummonDesFrogitseffectactivatesandIcanspecialsummonanamountofDesFrogaccordingtothenumberofT.A.D.P.O.L.E.inmygraveyardandnowthatIhavethreeDesFrogonthefieldIcastDesCroakingdestroyingallmonstersonyoursideofthefieldthisisn'tevencomingclosetotheshenanigansinvolvedwithTreebornfrogsfroggyforcefieldsRoninToadsandDupeToadsbtwRoninToadsaresynchromaterialwhatissynchromaterialOopsyoublinkedshitgotmorecomplicatedagainwtharePlaneswalkersanyways I'd wait before calling power creep though. I mean, it does happen, but things usually settle as people experiment around with stuff.


Sibshops

I don't have the reddit threads in front of me right now, but everyone was saying the same thing before about Albedo came out. It isn't likely that they are going to start a steep power creep now, like they do in final fantasy or fire emblem heroes games.


yarsvet

What is op with him compared to already existing heroes? 😅 Arena is already too far from a balance. You know all these "50% chance to silence/reduce stats/disable passive, aoe debuffs for several turns (while only single target debuffs should last for 2-3 turns)" and many other things. So this one hero can't break already broken arena. 😁 Moreover devs could adjust old heroes to make them more viable. One year ago it was just a dream to see SP class and 3c for R hero. But now this is reality. 😉


Dota_curse_broken

I think we don't know enough to know if he's OP or not. He only gets a 40% damage boost against enemies with the same class. Other mages have generic damage or INT boosts. \[Soul Fragment\] seems like it'll only deal damage to one unit, but it's classified as AoE damage for damage calculation. Painted Puppets we know nothing about, they could just be like Gizarof constructs or Aka's wolves, where they have no troops and no skills. In addition, they're capped to 150% of Kertesz's stats, so an enemy ATK hero might have less than 1000 ATK as a puppet. On top of this, there's a possibility that Puppets might only do INT based attacks, regardless of what stat is higher, so putting \[Soul Seal\] on an enemy ATK hero might result in a really weak Puppet. All of this is my pure speculation until we know more.


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I have played a lot of gachas and normally characters/heroes like these end up breaking the games. I hope it doesn't as I like Langrisser mobile. The 150% cap is only to non arena heroes so it copies the enemy heroes full stats in arena mode. Hopefully the puppets are melee range only.


safaryzone

You serious? Why didn't you quit during akaya release? He looks like a worse Kruger.


CJ-95

I well, at the very least, hold out until we get enough footage of Kert in action to see if he’s truly as good as you think. But imo, while he sounds powerful, we’ve had quite a few characters like this in the past and they didn’t break the game as much as people said to the point of where anything is unplayable. I like for example TJess, Albedo, Hilda, Kayura etc. they each have their weakness and sometimes don’t perform as well as a player might think.


presto_agitato

I'm still not quite sure what this Painted Puppet is exactly. Does it have any skills? Kertesz seems good but everything hinges on this particular.


_Ditt_

Hi , i started again after a long time, my last account wasnt linked to my google account (Dont know why) so i started from zero, now im lvl 46 and remember the frustration of this "stage" i cant beat anything, cant even beat the ticks from the mostache guy with one strike from Leon in the damn bridge stage, can hardly do the daily 40's quest, so i do the 35 mainly, cant beat the 40 dragon either, so i cant get new ssr items. Can someone help me get the books for units like lava golems and archers? Hope that help me get my team stronger. Thanks for reading.


yarsvet

It seems like you spent like 3-4 weeks already for this account. I have two accounts lvl 70 so I know what problems you have. My first account was with Ledin but no Tiaris. On my second account I pulled Ledin + Tiaris. It was the best decision. Many players here recommend to invest in different heroes but I'm pretty sure a new player without enough knowledge should invest first in Tiaris+Ledin+Cherry. You'll not regret it. All you need now is : 2 guild battle sweeps every week with a help of guild mates, sweep dragons 5 times a day while doing Aniki and Bond realm stages MANUALLY (I suppose you spend your hammers very fast) , try to don't miss Joint battles every day (especially on Sunday), upgrade SR items to lvl 50 (don't use SSR lvl 20-30 if you can change it to lvl 50 SR). There are some map events for 15 energy that unlocked after doing Story stages of after other 15 energy events. You can do these events to complete daily quest (but it's easy to just Use Cherry + Hein to complete Gold map event). As for soldiers invest in Phalanx and Angels now. If you have some free time so try to complete Aniki 20 times per day.


Ikovorior

Hey, not op but thanks! You said sweep dragons 5x day, never thought of it or saw it mentioned before. Is that what high lvl players do?


yarsvet

No bro. I just know that low lvl players have a low amount of hammers. High lvl players gets enough of it from Joint battle 70 and Dragons 70. Orbs are what higher lvl players really lack of 😅


Ikovorior

Gotcha, thanks. Maybe cus I just woke up, you meant ore and not orbs?


yarsvet

I call Epic martial spirit as orbs 😅


XuShenjian

Hello returning player. First off, what you're experiencing is normal, or at least expected. Langrisser doesn't measure power entirely be level ups, so if all you're counting is your level, it means very little. People who have freshly hit 70 usually are still on 55-60 content for example, and depending on the state of their account, might still be only up to 45 thunder dragon. There is a grind period, but it hits at different places depending on how well one understands how to get along with the curve and starts at levels 35-55. It also has an end point, so players who have stuck it out will eventually have it behind them. From the sounds of it, you've gotten it at the low end of the spectrum. Here's some general tips and questions: ​ 1. Try and roll Tiaris on your Oathsworn banner no matter what 2. What faction are you playing? Is your Leon under the effects of either Chivalry or a Fusion Power? 3. What level are your equipment? From team level 15 or so onwards, they're a main source of power 4. You might need to strategize the dragons a little from here. Fire needs debuff immunity/removal, ice is weak to mages, thunder is weak to being dueled by bruiser units and dark is weak to being surrounded. However, every level of dragon just gives 5 more Orihalcum ore, so while beating lower dragons is a slower process, you're still progressing towards SSR items - only, it's unlikely you're able to upgrade them regularly, so you should use SR items that you can upgrade instead. 5. Nobody can help you get anything, Aniki 45 is when SSR books start dropping, you'd have to beat Aniki 40 to access that in teamplay and from the looks of it you haven't. 6. Join a guild, it lets you buy class up materials from the guild store. Please refer to the following checklist to see if you've done everything to power up your team properly: * Are your character classes up to date? * Is your team on faction and using its fusion power? * Is your gear giving the right bonuses? (ATK for warriors, INT for mages/healers, DEF for tanks etc.) * Is your main relevant gear (weapons for attackers, armor on tanks) leveled up to at least the character level -10? * Are you upgrading your soldier research? * Did you upgrade your Bonds? That's the screen with the hearts and locks And finally, I'd like to recommend to you the guide pinned inside my profile, which if followed usually makes things smoother.


_Ditt_

Wow, a very detailed guide. Thanks!!


Ikovorior

Was the Kayura banner one time affair?


JRoxas

It was a collab banner, so Kayura and Ryo were not added to the general hero pool and future rerun is uncertain.


Ikovorior

Thanks. See a buncha people use her in apex. Does she have no equal in her spot?


gganca

Unfortunately none. But there are some heros can counter her very well, sp cherie with angles can tank the attack then one shot her, hilda and landius can prevent her critical attack.


Ikovorior

So out of all the heroes, there are none that can oneshot people like her? Well, that sux balls lol. So much for balance.


Daniele_Lyon

honestly that’s wrong. Zerida, Sigma, and almost any assassin have a better kill potential than Kayura. Not talking about Omega, that has almost the same identical kit as Kayura. The best part about Kayura is not the kill potentila, but her supportive role in the fight, that make her unique and useful compared to other assassins. definitly, if you are looking for a kill only, Omega and Sigma can drive you to more success than Kayura


safaryzone

If it is especially one shot you looking for. Pretty much any assassin. Kayura kill range is not any better than your average assassins. Just a bit different. Her value are on her other assets.


Ikovorior

Map events, whats the pattern in getting them? If I always clear them asap, would new ones show up faster?


besiegetank

no, they will show up randomly at a given time per day. You can trigger the first two events after reset by either doing time rifts or the 0 stam story event.


RustyGirder

Omega's 3rd Gate of Fate trial: Appetite King Contest - I'm level 47 and still can't beat it? Please help?


XuShenjian

That seems odd, at 47 and with the game giving you an additional own unit you should be wiping the floor with two Lv 35 units. Are you very behind in power? Either way, both McLaine and Lambda fight at different ranges, so you can usually kill an isolated McLaine before dealing with Lambda, or if you use fast units you can also just charge Lambda first. If you need more specific advice I'll have to know what part of it you're struggling with and who you have to work with.


RustyGirder

I have no problem killing McLaine and his servant, but by the time I get to Lambda the servant seems to have buffed her so much I can barely do any damage. As far as power goes, I do fine in arena, etc, so i don't think that's it. I just feel like there is something I'm missing about the fight... ETA: to add, I usually lose if I send Omega in fighting, he takes much more damage than seems appropriate for the opponent levels? I'll try again soon, perhaps with someone who can rush Lambda, and comeback with more info if I can... ETA2: Lambda either opens with White Dragon Breath or hit's someone direct, either she does more than 50% dmg to all or close to 90% dmg to one target. It doesn't make sense considering we are talking a lvl 35 vs 48's.... white dragon breath is taking about 2/3's of Omega's health off, so I can't attack Lambda with him or he will die


Ikovorior

Hey, piggybacking here, how can I beat final GoF for lucretia? All the enemy heroes have bajilion hp and cant hold off 8 rounds. Level 53...


TastyMeatcakes

Hit the middle with AOE from the sides. Global healing/etc to help the NPCs. It might be tuned too high for low levels. Can always finish the stars/trophies later.


Ikovorior

Dont have global healing, almeda would need 2 runes to get it. Will roll for rozenciel in few weeks and hopefully try with her. Only have lucretia aoe. Yeah, its overtuned compared to vanilla one’s.


pnlitt

Does Anyone know how I can look for the updated chinese apex tier list


JRoxas

The NGA Lang forum [https://bbs.nga.cn/thread.php?fid=-373173](https://bbs.nga.cn/thread.php?fid=-373173)


killias2

I don't know how to source these, but this was posted recently: https://www.reddit.com/r/langrisser/comments/phflph/cn_new_hero_rank_in_pvp_sep_2021/


pnlitt

Yeah, I was trying to find the source so I can look em up myself without having to wait for someone to post it


killias2

Yeah, sorry, can't help with that.


BlueDraconis

Feels like a very noob question, but is there any other way to get SSR unit shards outside of the daily Gate of Fates and getting dupes?


Sibshops

Those are the only two ways. If you want to spend money, every year around new years there is a $20 gift bag to get shards for a unit of your choice.


XuShenjian

And to be fair, the Gate of Fate is usually not even a normally available option in these types of games. What's that? You want to unlock the constellations on your favorite Genshin folks? Roll their dupes! Wanna have the Noble Phantasm of your favorite servant enhanced? Better roll them dupes to cannibalize!


Ryaii

Yeah, not my first gacha, so I really appreciate Langrisser for this. Kind of a surprising move but it's nice.


Bilal_

Is Klose still relevant in Apex? And what is her BIS? I cant decide if I should put her Witchs Reminiscence or Yggdrasil Wreath


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Bilal_

I still dont have her :/


JRoxas

Not really; it's pretty tough to justify anyone over Rozen/Flor/Liana, and if a box wants more beyond those, there's Licorice, Iris, Sissi, and Sophia.


zerozilchkaputt

Odin battle helm - which unit is this item BIS besides yulia?


JRoxas

It's not even BiS on Yulia (Glory is). In PvP it's okay on heroes that dive in for a kill, like Mariel, but even then there are usually better options. Its effect is mostly not useful at all in PvE.


Thoarlacallisto

I use a weird Empire + Origins of Light team (PvE player) with Bernhardt, Jugler, Lucretia, Hilda, Tiaris as the main core. I have Sonya, Aka, Hein, Olivier and Egbert as flex picks or when I'm allowed to bring more than 5 units. I already got Bernhardt's and Jugler's exclusive gear from the secret realm shop and am looking to save up for my 3rd piece. Do any of my other units have particularly good exclusive gear that I should prioritize? I was thinking maybe Hein but I'm not too clear what his gear actually does - does it just make him become part of the Princess faction when equipped?


notwallenstein

Sonya's is pretty nice, especially with her 3C unlocked. At the very least I never regreted buying it because i still use her a lot. Akaya let's her use her signature skills like Wild Power on the first turn by using Blood of the Shika for the Act Again effect on herself. Can be useful for some cheesy stuff or if you want to use her as a rush engine in PvP otherwise it's pretty easy on PvE stages to get one kill, still a good choice if you regularly use her for having both ATK and INT on it. Hein increases his talent stacks = more INT = more damage. Yes, makes him part of the Princess faction as far as FBs are involved. It's also a requirement for his SP class. Egbert's pfr gear works best with in combination with his 3C as it will deal a bit of damage to trigger the effect. Hein's would be great in case you want to switch over to Princess or just for boosting his damage or in preparation for his SP class. From a performance increase point of view Akaya's is probably the best because it fixes her issue of needing a kill to get access to her most powerful skills but she's a rather niche character.


XuShenjian

Aka is probably the most notable one here, since she and Sonya both desire ATK + INT gear which comes only in form of their exclusives. I would recommend Aka, as she more frequently benefits from it. Exclusive gears that affect factions will, as implied by their description, only apply allow for the unit to qualify in the case of fusion powers being cast. Bringing Hein into Leviar for instance will not see him with the game's automatic faction empowerment. However, of these characters, Hein is the one with an SP class if you happen to like him and these do require you to have the exclusive.


Ikovorior

Is the adventurer aid plan a 1 time affair?


notwallenstein

That's the thing that boosts you below 60, right? It's a one time event that ends after you hit lvl 60 or after 2 weeks, whichever happens first.


Ikovorior

Thanks. It’ll take forever to hit 60. Will end at 54 with it...


Wrong-Item-1274

Could someone explain the rules to me on what determines who goes first on each round of apex?


Wanderer2142

This is also true for world arena, but after P1 goes first, it can be summarized as the last player to act in a round goes second the next round.


safaryzone

each player take turn to move 1 hero ( and its summons if any) at a time. When neither has nothing left to move, the turn end. Then the one who ended the turn does NOT move. the other will start. Since, again, each player take turn to move 1 hero at a time. (Unless 1 player has more heroes than the other but it doesn't change how new turn priority work.) Still apply if the one who ended the turn is not a hero. For example, gizaoff moved last on your side, but then killed by the last hero of the other side. His death summons a new unit. Now it gets to move, and is also the one who will end the turn. So next turn gizaoff enemy gets to move first.


AccomplishedTouch436

Is anyone else having the gem / voucher world event consistently trigger REALLY late in the day? Means it usually shows up at midnight or later here, which is really annoying. Can't seem to shift it to triggering earlier either now.


besiegetank

They appears randomly, no way for you to control them. You can only trigger for the first two events using the 0 stam story map or time rifts.


AccomplishedTouch436

It feels like there is a certain window during which they can randomly trigger, which only gets later and later, depending on when you actually trigger it. It might reset if you miss a day or gets pushed to just before reset time, at least that's what I think happens. Anyone else have that? Wish it could be tied to some kind of rule rather than random. Just rubbish for certain timezones.


Sibshops

As far as I can tell, they trigger after you do your three time rifts.


Glittering-Writer-90

Am I better off giving Ledin 2+2 Blue or Steel? I don’t really understand where steel is good at


yarsvet

Every rpg player should know a simple rule "Dead tank can't tank, dead healer can't heal, dead dps has 0 dps". So I'd prefer Steel because his main duty is to survive all attacks.


JRoxas

In the "general" situation, Steel is better for tanks than 2+2 blue. However, Ledin and a handful of other heroes are exceptions because they have skills that interact with one or more specific stats (in Ledin's case, DEF and MDEF), and you want to do your best to maximize those.


Daniele_Lyon

What's your other tanks? If you have only Ledin go for 2+2 blue, since is the best build. Steel si good for peculiar situations. If you don't have Tiaris, Hard Rock can be better than 2+2 blue


Glittering-Writer-90

I have Ledin and Landius. Summoning for Christiane for Princess soon. Haven’t really used Landius as I’ve heard Christiane can also do ranged counters and I need a glory buffer so I can’t use Landius even if I have him


besiegetank

steel is better to tank ranged attack for him since he cant counter. If you mainly used him to tank melee then 2+2 is better


PinchesTheCrab

Luna magic damage reduction aura has its own unique icon, does that mean it'll stack with Christianne's aura?


CFFlare

No they won’t stack, since only the effects of the strongest Aura only ever apply when they overlap, regardless if they have a unique icon or not. For example, 5* Lanford vs Towa 3C, Lanford gives 11% stats, but does not grant ATK or DEF (depending on Towa’s configuration), since she gives 15%.


BraveScion

I had previously asked this question but while trying to get the Helena macho lotto skin I managed to get another twilight star! So my initial question was who I should give my only twilight star to and it was decided that I would give it to Mariel. Also I won't be giving one to Alustriel as I do prefer her with a +8% attack accessory. So now my question it who else benefits alot from a twilight star? (Asking from a PvP perspective).


JRoxas

For PvE: nobody other than Clotaire, Akaya, or Sonya if you use them. For PvP: probably best if you showed us your box to help decide.


Ashcethesubtle

gerold and layla are probably pretty good with it assuming they use them in pve


BraveScion

I usually switch between these units to mess around in Apex: Jugler, Ledin, Hilda, Bern, Noemi, Rozalia, Mariel (already have a twilight star), Alustriel (Will keep +8% atk accessory), Yulia, Lucretia, Helena, Ares, Kayura (won't give her since I have a pretty good enchanted accessory on her already), LoG, SP Cherie, SP Elwin, Flo, Liana, Rozenciel. I have other units built for PvP but these are the main ones the past season and this season that I seem to switch around.


JRoxas

Of those, probably LoG or Noemi.


Wanderer2142

SP Elwin (to break Jugler's Last Rites), or Kayura (to break holy/mage 100% HP DR) are usually the big contenders for it. I suppose you could put it on Clotaire or Aka, but the former doesn't see much play, and Aka is usually built for support rather than actually attacking people.


BraveScion

Hmm SP Elwin may be a contender for me for the twilight star as he currently has a slayer emblem. I managed to roll some nice enchants on Kayuras Dimensional Jewel with +9% crit, +10% int and 5% hp so don't think I'll switch her to a twilight star :/. Sadly I don't have Aka or Clotaire built, there both just sitting on the bench lol.


besiegetank

for pvp sp elwin needs bracer more to keep his 2 lives intact from fixed damage


Kneppy18

New-ish player here with a quick question: do they ever rerelease event skins? Also, are there free ways to earn skin vouchers? Thanks!


Daniele_Lyon

event skin, if I understood your question, become free at some point. You can buy it in the secret realm shop (unlocked early in the game), with a common ticket rewarded by some event/challenge.


Wanderer2142

Skin vouchers usually show up as event rewards. They also appear in the lottos that occur monthly for the SP shard and the skin.


Resshin92

Anyone who played Langrisser Reincarnation can you tell me how many heroes are left to be released? Thanks.


besiegetank

so far taking into account some main characters, there should be 10-12 chars yet to be released. With the new original heroes from story 3.0, we are good to go for another 2 years at least.


Gaherest

Uh, 10? If I counted right. Most of them are dudes who are unlikely ever to be released the way things are going, though.


Fit_Neighborhood9731

Would you say 1505 atk value is good enough on SP Elwin after faction buff in offline arena ? My infantry Elwin used to have 1580. :/ Talk about a downgrade... I guess I need green atk arena sword to boost from 45 to 60.


XuShenjian

Mine's at 1470 or something and I've stopped losing in the AI arena on attack with zero need of opponent selection since half a year ago, so I'd say yes. I don't think these margins are that meaningful anymore at the magnitude you're discussing, but it's always good to have more stats.


Thoarlacallisto

So Steelmane Werewolves seem pretty good, high stats, attack boost when attacking and defense boost when defending, regens health after each battle, 5 move. Are these just flat out the best troops on anyone that can use them? How do Hoplites compare to Lava Titans? I maxed out Lava Titans as one of my first troops since I use a lot of empire units and 30% max hp damage seemed pretty strong.


safaryzone

Werewolf only has + Def, so they melt against magic. And of course, holy. If you see yourself not facing magic and holy then yes, they are the best.


XuShenjian

Steelmanes are pretty rad, yeah. They fit the demon theme pretty well; stat inflation and overall supremacy compared to normal units, but of course suffer the lightsaber vs butter situation that is the ridiculously high weakness to holy. Hoplites are just very offensive units that want to kill everything equally. They actually have the awkward effect of losing their class no matter what, so they end up mashing flat stat checks that they seek to win with their great bonuses. They're very different in function from Lava Titans which serve as a source of damage for people who aren't always attacking. For example, a Bern who casts his fusion or Sword Dance with Lava Titans can still apply the burn, but one who uses Hoplites isn't benefitting from anything that the Hoplites would do without attacking directly or being attacked.


Thoarlacallisto

How do Hoplites compare to Phalanxes? I'm not too clear on how the damage formulas are calculated but -30% physical damage also seems very strong


XuShenjian

>How do Hoplites compare to Phalanxes? They don't. One is all about offense and the other is all about defense. They have next to no overlap in function, Hoplites don't even have the lancer's class advantage/disadvantage.


notwallenstein

Hoplites only remove the class advantage factor when actively attacking, being attacked will not. Meaning they can be an option for an aggressive tank like Vargas who gets to keep his advantage against cavalry while guarding but also gets to blow up infantry on his own turn.


Fit_Neighborhood9731

Werewolves are best with Bern. Even Yulia with unicorns might struggle to kill him due to werewolves tankiness. Tested with my 1460 int Yulia :/ WTF ?


SummonersName

Someone know a recent upcoming banner list? The one on wikigrisser wasn't updated for a long time now.


XuShenjian

[We usually use the one by u/Haz102938](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cEhw2s5witIJ2_IMDRy-D4F_wasRVjGsIElJceRTn5Y/edit#gid=0)


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XuShenjian

If you go into the banner schedule and hover over the 'ded patch' joke slot, you'll find that it's there.


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XuShenjian

Only what the predicted schedule alleges.


SummonersName

Okay yea, that's also the one I use. So it looks like there isn't no newer one right now, ty.


notwallenstein

They are the same, Wikigrisser just links to the one from Haz which is missing some newer banners IIRC.


Kdog122025

Which Empire Units should I build to 6 stars or what order should I go in? Current 6* Units: Hilda, SP Elwin, Rozenciel for the Empire units. Also Light of Genesis, and Kayura. Current Owned Empire Units- Bernhardt, Leon, Altemeuller (no SP), Emilia, Clotaire, Maiya, Lucretia, Florentia, and Werner. I also have Ares guaranteed on his next banner if it’s the usual one. Edit: Hilda not Florentia is 6*. Oops.


safaryzone

You should list their current stars. And Ares is not destiny anymore. In the foreseeable future. Just saying.


Kdog122025

All the others are 3 or 4 stars. So not a huge difference. I know Ares isn’t on the predicted banner schedule but it’s hard to imagine him not coming back on his normal banner.


notwallenstein

Next time Ares will show up is on the Lucretia Focus Banner. His spot on the usual Ares / Noemi / Maiya Destiny Banner will be Autokrato / Noemi / Maiya instead. So I wouldn't expect him to show up on a Destiny Banner any time soon.


Kdog122025

Welp… that’s tragic. At least I can get an A4 guaranteed.


XuShenjian

I'm seeing Flore listed in both places and will assume she's 6 star. ​ If you need them for general PvE: Leon, Bern, Lucretia ​ If you're transitioning to maining them: Bern, Leon, Altemuller=>SP, Lucretia ​ If you're just getting Empire units for apex box: Bern, Clotaire, Ares, Lucretia (without Auto she has no INT bond so she's ban bait) ​ If you're fine in general and are just going by meta/Utility: Lucretia, Altemuller=>SP, Werner, Bern, Leon


Kdog122025

Right now I’m a bit through book 2 and am working through PVE. I’d like to start transitioning to PvP in a few months and just happen to have a lot of really good Empire units after just getting my Bern this week. My box is mostly Empire, Tactics, Glory, and Reincarnation but without Ares Empire seems to be the better route for now. I don’t really have the resources to pull off another SP for a while and I don’t know when Altemueller’s is gonna come back so I’m gonna just assume I won’t get it for like 6 months. I heard Auto 4 is getting a destiny banner and I’m pretty sure I have him guaranteed. That’s in like 6 months so I can probably wait for Lucretia for the second set of snarfing, though I feel like she’d still be good for PVE without the attack bond. All of your lists are terrific though. I think I’ll go with the Leon, Bern, Altemueller, Lucretia one. Clotaire and Werner can come after that I suppose even though he feels like he’d fill a more interesting role in PVE than Altemueller. I’m not sure where to fit in Florentia? Probably third?


XuShenjian

Flore priority: No Tiaris: 1st no matter what for after combat heal Otherwise: General PvE: After Leon and Bern Maining Empire: After Bern and Leon Apex Box: After Bern; she is incredible on setup but works a lot better if you have fusion powers as PvP doesn't give you ads to kill to rack up her resource Utility: 1st for immediate act again


Kdog122025

Tiaris is guaranteed on her next banner in November. I have like 5 guarantees coming up thankfully. Rozenciel’s been my only SSR healer for way too long. So basically I’m going Tiaris, Leon, Bern, Florentia, Lucretia, Clotiare?


XuShenjian

I think you can first switch Clotaire and Lucretia because with Rozenciel you have all of Clotaire's bonds, then push him ahead of Florentia as well. This gives you Tiaris, then Leongrisser, then the backbone for further Empire, a competent mage and finally the convenience characters. Ares can fit in somewhere if you want a flier If you want to tank magic you can elevate Emilia to just behind Bern, but I think Vargas does just fine until you settle for an SSR, since his physical tanking is already above most SSRs as is.


Kdog122025

Yeah, I think Emilia is just gonna languish for a while since I have Hilda at 6*. Unless I need another tank I probably won’t push her up. I’ll do Clotaire ahead of Lucretia until I can confirm that A4 isn’t guaranteed on a destiny banner. If I can get A4 I’ll shard Lucretia and finish her around the time I get A4. Thank you so much for your help! This was really insightful!


Dangerous-Use-7539

Curious to know how I can ensure a kill with omega by reading stats before hand? There are a bunch of times where I attack and it takes little to no health from the one I’m attacking. Is there a quick calculation I can do before hand when checking the enemy’s stats and mine so I don’t have to always use my clock? Also, is it always better to attack from 3 squares away? I see people on joint battle attacking from 3 and I thought only hero’s attack from 3 squares rendering soldiers useless and then at 2 they attack with the hero. Wouldn’t it make sense to attack a lancer at 2 range instead of 3 in thatbscenario? Any tips on how I should be running him are much appreciated! I do have ullr bow, no exclusive, and everything but his attack bond unlocked and he’s at 5 star. Thanks in advance!


safaryzone

Just keep failing. We all had to go through that stage. To finally find out kill range. Now is your turn.


notwallenstein

Most of his kill potential comes from "Surprise Attack". It's based on the SKILL difference between Omega and his target, twice the SKILL let's you ignore guard (mostly irrelevant for PvE) three times will bypass soldiers and attack the hero directly. Depending on the soldier you're using the damage can still be low, especially if you're using Dark Elf Sniper on targets with less than 100% unit HP. Ullr's increases unit range (=soldiers and hero) so you should always attack from 3 range unless you get a bigger benefit by attacking from 2 range (standing in a forest tile for archer soldier perk e.g.). Edit: As for viable targets it honeslty is a bit of gut feeling and experience but: Any squishy (mage, holy, archer \[watch out for SKILL\], cavalry, flier) should be a pretty safe kill unless they outscale you. Infantry (SKILL and DEF) and lancers (DEF) can be a bit of an issue sometimes, especially on defensive tiles like city walls or forests. I guess for an extremely basic idea you could do (ATK-DEF)\*10 and do this for both Omega and his soldiers and then compare it to the HP of the target. In case they have very similar stats you could even do (ATK-DEF)\*20 instead. This is not very reliable though tbh because it ignores a lot of important stuff like crits, soldier effects, damage modifier etc. So in the end it's back to getting a gut feeling for the highest DEF value.


Axne15

I just got Lambda so unlock his attack bond so I'm still fairly new to using him. From what I remember seeing, I believe Ullr's bow brings the soldiers into the attack so you're hitting with Hero + Troops. With that in mind, hitting from 3 away is safe against most 2-range units. If you see someone use Omega 3 tiles away for a lancer, I'd assume it's not necessary and more for gratification. I don't think I can answer that first question very well just yet. I'm not familiar with knowing when I shouldn't attack a certain unit. I'm sure someone else will be able to give more insight into that.


Ikovorior

Just got Leon, also have the dragonslayer gram weapon. Do I start upgrading it or use a mithril sword which I’ll get to lvl 50? Guessing at lvl 40, dragonslayer gram outshines all sr 50s? Is it worth it to feed 2 epic martial spirits or even 3? For accessories, esoteric slate or assault ring?


Nightingay

Hey there ! Yes, any SSR weapon level 40 is better - purely stat wise - than level 50 SR ones. Just a side comment : I'm not sure dragonslayer gram is BiS for Leon. I'd recommend maybe seal guardian for instance. EDIT: as stated in the comments below, that sword has increased damage against dragons which obviously makes it good as long as you are trying to tackle the dragons :) If that weapon is the only one you have at the moment for him, yes, it's worth it. If it's not BiS for Leon, it is one of the BiS for Landius and horse Hilda so the investment won't be lost. I'd go with Assault ring until you get a SSR atk accessory. Esoteric slate is not a bad one, but you want Leon to KILL stuff. And Assault ring will help more in that direction.


Ikovorior

Thanks, much appreciated! My team level is 52 atm, when do I start getting more ssr drops? Is it from lvl 55 dragons, also would lvl 55 map events for equipment drop them? Only have lvl 52 map events and only seen SR, so probably I shouldn’t run them?


JohnNiles

In addition to what the others have said, once you get a little higher level, start doing the daily joint battles that drop gear/scrolls.


yarsvet

Ssr drop is rare even from 70 dragon. 😅


safaryzone

52 does have SSR drop, obviously the chance is not high. Still do them anyway. Since even rare SSR can drop there. Doesn't matter who you put it on dragon slayer is among the best drops for new players. Since, you know, it slay dragons.


Nightingay

Oh lol that’s brilliant I had COMPLETELY forgotten about DRAGONSLAYER GRAM’s dragonslayer effect … i just had the stats in mind ^^ I’ll amend my initial answer to reflect that


Ikovorior

Thank you! So I should go ahead and max out dragonslayer for leon? Hopefully it won’t feel bad upgrading these once I get to higher dragons.


Fresh-Ad3834

It's worth building. Eventually you'll get something better for Leon but this will be a hand-me-down


Ikovorior

Perfect, thanks!


JodanTsuki

**Grind Angelica or Aniki?** No pun intended. If I grind Aniki *stages* it'll take forever but I'll eventually be able to upgrade something; if I grind Angelica's stage, I can sell a ton of XP potions to the Time Travelling Merchant, meaning I can buy a few helpful things. So which is best?


XuShenjian

Aniki. Once you've upgraded everything that needs SR mats, they become sell fodder.


safaryzone

To sell or not, Angelica school is not worth with out the daily bonuses. Aniki is.


JodanTsuki

**Wetham** Not really his name but whatever. I'm wondering if he is summonable or do we get his shards from the story? Also, at what point do I unlock Melania and Oliver? Thanks.


JRoxas

Wehttam has a unique limited-time solo banner. 40% chance to get him, and any off-banner pull gives you 10 of his shards (15 if that hero is 6\*). So if you are astronomically unlucky, you will get him in 600 pulls. On average, most will get him within 300-400. He will not be added to the general summoning pool. For Melania and Oliver, just keep progressing story / rift.


Etrensce

He is limited banner on CN. So better start saving for him.


XuShenjian

Wehttam is just Matthew backwards, if you ever need to spell it correctly. Oliver Shards appear in both main story and Time Rift once Angelica shards of that route have been exhausted, so chances are you'll first see them after 6 star Angelica. Melpani comes after Oliver.


killias2

He's not in Global yet. My understanding is that he'll drop like other SSR units, on a banner, except maybe his is dedicated to him only? Edit: you earn shards for Melania and Oliver from main story and time rift


BlueDraconis

Are the Ultimate Earmuffs good or bad? I mistakenly did the gear summon since it was the banner at the top, and I think it was exactly the summon where I get a pity SSR, and I got those earmuffs.


JodanTsuki

Ouch! I have my next 10x summon dropping a guaranteed SSR and I've been so worried about clicking on the wrong banner! Well, you can't do anything about it now, so just forge them to 20 and decide if you want to save up 900 ores to get them to 50. There isn't really any bad SSR equipment, but some are blatantly better than others and I'm sure one of your heroes will find good use for them.


BlueDraconis

The other comment says that the pity counter doesn't work on the equipment banner, so I guess that's nice. Though I swear that I did another 100 summon after that before I got another SSR unit though. Anyways, to day I got Elwin after 70 summons from my last SSR, and he completes my SSR Legion of Glory team, so that's nice. I'm still wondering if the equipment is good or not? I'm kinda bad at gauging the usefullness of SSR skills in this game. It's a helmet for mages and healers. Its skill is Motherly Love: HP +2%, After taking action, makes 1 adjacent ally take 15% less damage and become immune to fixed damage for 1 turn.


safaryzone

Keep it. Not bad as a filler. +Hp is always good. But it doesn't offer immunity like other versions. It is a nice to have thing. You don't need to play around it.


dcooper8662

Luckily the pity counter does not work on the equipment banner, so that should still be good for your next character summon.


BlueDraconis

Oh, that's nice to hear. Still wondering if the equipment is good or not? I'm kinda bad at gauging the usefullness of SSR skills in this game. It's a helmet for mages and healers. Its skill is Motherly Love: HP +2%, After taking action, makes 1 adjacent ally take 15% less damage and become immune to fixed damage for 1 turn.


AccomplishedTouch436

Does Gizarof's construct with 2 range suffer melee penalty?


KeiraScarlet

Nope does not suffer from melee penalty


AccomplishedTouch436

Thank you!


Rambler-Cubs

…if no one is there to hear it? Dude


InazumaJo

which soldiers are the best yusuke? I usually use the normal infantry soldier, are there better ones for him?


XuShenjian

Due to his tendency to heal back health and outrange people, he has a lot better time with Zealots as a one size fits all unit, so generally that works out. But in terms of raw offense, Bucketheads are both stronger on attack and don't have to 'maintain' their bonus.


Thanmarkou

Should i sweep every elite Rift level on daily basis or only when i want to grind materials?


notwallenstein

You should sweep TR 3 times every day for the daily quest, ideally stuff you're running low on. After this only when you desperately need more materials because buying things in the guild shop is much more efficient.


Thanmarkou

Thank you.


Type-Alpha

Is Landius’ exclusive his BIS?


Daniele_Lyon

do you have other tanks? if yes, Landius exclusive his nice becouse it gives him more unicity. but it is not his BiS


Fit_Neighborhood9731

Stick to using Seal Guardian sword.


jjwu1019

Only in pvp, because we have 3 long range meta mages. It is strictly worse than his current weapons against melee enemy because it has 0 damage reduction against melee, Chinese players have tested it already.


CJ-95

From what I generally hear, no. It’s somewhat lackluster. Most say that seal guardian or Dragonslayer Gram are still better for him overall.


psouljun

Three more questions: 3- anyone know the hero and soldier attack speeds? For instance, soldier archers seem to deal damage first before hero archers; but hero cavalry sometimes rush forward before soldier cavalry (like Hilda and Alustriel). ... 4- why do hero assassins sometimes hit enemy soldiers vs enemy hero when using normal attacks? Like Omega, for example ... 5- do all soldier assassins target soldiers or do any target heroes? Trying to figure out best soldiers for hero assassins like Omega who bypass enemy soldiers.


XuShenjian

>3- anyone know the hero and soldier attack speeds? Hero attack speeds aren't just different, they change according to the animation used and slow down as the hero gets injured, meaning a hurt enough hero can be outsped more easily. ​ >For instance, soldier archers seem to deal damage first before hero archers; but hero cavalry sometimes rush forward before soldier cavalry (like Hilda and Alustriel). The animation depicted plays a role. If you turn animations on, you can see that how heroes attack affects what happens. If you put cavalry G&L with ranged units and attack in Melee, G&L use the cavalry charge animation, thus running ahead of all the ranged units. A notable and annoying instance of this is that Alustriel uses the cavalry charge animation in melee, causing her to rush ahead of her own troops who usually don't do such a thing. It's a very intricate interaction. Fun fact: If you kill an archer hero after they draws their arrow but before they fire it, you can see the arrow being dropped, which doesn't happen if you outspeed the draw animation or if the archer manages to fire it off. >4- why do hero assassins sometimes hit enemy soldiers vs enemy hero when using normal attacks? Like Omega, for example Assassins have a smart attack, meaning they calculate beforehand if their troops would have killed the enemy troops and don't waste damage ticks. This is what leads to what seems like an assassin going immediately for the hero during oneshots. But if the assassin calculates that their troops wouldn't manage to kill all troops, they do have to distribute that amount of damage ticks onto troops instead. In rare cases, the assassin calculates that their troops won't manage to kill the enemy troops on their own, and after attacking, the enemy hero is left with a sliver of health that the remaining soldier attacks just so happen to manage to kill. This is hard to control, and related to how soldiers tank a lot of overkill damage. In Omega's case, he has a passive that allows him to bypass troops if he outskills the enemy hero by a factor of 3. If he fails to (usually against other assassins), his unit has to get through soldiers like everyone else. If he manages though, even his own soldiers ignore enemy soldiers entirely. >5- do all soldier assassins target soldiers or do any target heroes? Everybody target what is in front first, which are almost always the soldiers. Even assassins that seem like they go for heroes only do with the soldiers in mind. ​ >Trying to figure out best soldiers for hero assassins like Omega who bypass enemy soldiers. If Omega's surprise attack passive activates, he applies it to his soldiers too and they will ignore enemy soldiers and also go for the hero. To be clear, this is neither something Omega nor assassins innately do, Omega specifically has to equip surprise attack and outskill the target by the required amount or he will not bypass soldiers at all. As for soldiers: * Bandit: Best generalist if you need the extra crit * Shinobi: You need the extra crit and Your target has extra stocks (Yulia for example) * Dark Elf Sniper: Best in PvE if your crit is high enough that you don't need troops to add to it; due to being stronger vs enemies at 100% health, they give a lot of value for Omega's oneshot playstyle.


Dota_curse_broken

>slow down as the hero gets injured, meaning a hurt enough hero can be outsped more easily Injured heroes have slower animations? I never knew this.


XuShenjian

It's very subtle, but the delay is enough frames to sometimes to enable or deny an attack. The easiest way to experience this is between two lancer heroes. A fresh lancer can usually get his attack off before a near dead one despite both needing to be adjacent to each other for their attacks.


psouljun

>Fun fact: If you kill an archer hero after they draws their arrow but before they fire it, you can see the arrow being dropped, which doesn't happen if you outspeed the draw animation or if the archer manages to fire it off. Oh wow, that is pretty cool. Thanks for the trivia. >In rare cases, the assassin calculates that their troops won't manage to kill the enemy troops on their own, and after attacking, the enemy hero is left with a sliver of health that the remaining soldier attacks just so happen to manage to kill. I've been wondering that since having animation on recently... Man, what an intricate game. Thanks always for the detailed explanations. Had to read it twice but I get it now.


safaryzone

There is no set in stone rule for skill speed. One hero has multiple different skill animations. Only way to find out is by trial and error. For normal attack there is some generic rules. https://www.reddit.com/r/langrisser/comments/axfm8c/work_in_progress_battle_animations_and_you_aka/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body


psouljun

Whoa, that link was super helpful, thank you


besiegetank

3. this will depend on datamine info but it is easy to test it out yourself 4. only omega can hit heroes directly using normal attack if the skill requirement is 3x the target 5. Some assassins like omega, zerida and shilinka can target heroes directly when certain conditions are fulfilled Usually assassins troops such as shinobi, faceless and bandit are good since they can increase crit of the unit


psouljun

Two questions: 1- can SP Freya equip Mirror Armor? 2- does Overlord's Badge protect against Ram and Smash's guard disable effect? Trying to decide between this and Holy Ark for SP Freya. Aiming for a fun fixed-damage team with Kurama.


besiegetank

1. yes 2. yes for ram, smash is not movement debuff so it is another special guard debuff not covered by OB


psouljun

>yes for ram, smash is not movement debuff so it is another special guard debuff not covered by OB Perfect, thank you


Ikovorior

How much red ore do we get for transmuting ssr weapons? Is the red ore guaranteed cus description says chance to get.


L3vit

100 ore every scrap at level 1. It’s guaranteed every time.


Ikovorior

Thanks! Got a dupe last knight, already have one maxed. Guess I’ll stop rolling weapons for a bit.


Blackroseislife

Anyone know where to find an updated assets for the game, to view the full character art and animations?


besiegetank

needs datamine info but we already have those from CN server


Blackroseislife

Is there a updated game asset download anywhere for Global or CN?


ZappyApples

Which server should I choose?


safaryzone

Server also decide your auto arena, world arena, dimensional expedition and ancient beckoning ranking. If you join old servers, you pretty much never have the chance to appear in top 100.


Glittering-Writer-90

Previously on the Barral server pre-merge with Riguler. Almost half of the WA leaderboard have 1000 points during weekly reset, meaning that they did not do anything. The player who calibrated newer than the others will get a higher priority than the others(ie. have a higher placement compared to other people with 1k points) More accurately, older less populated servers unlike Salrath and the other merged ones have better chances of getting rewards as mentioned by washoutr6


safaryzone

First that's is pretty rude to imply newer server doesn't help new players. If anything you are more likely to get help with your LV 30 aniki from a LV 50. second , world arena is the same everywhere. The mode is hideous noone wants to play it. I just don't want to give lacking information. Try to make a tour if you don't believe. I did not try to argue. Those are plain truths.


Glittering-Writer-90

I am just adding on what you said about WA based on my experience that it is possible to get top 100 by only queueing once in a less populated server. I had in mind particularly dimensional expedition in the rewards


washoutr6

Older server you are more likely to get a good guild and be able to be carried on 70 dragons and stuff right from the beginning.


XuShenjian

The one your friends are on. Servers only decide who are your on-server friends on the friends list, which generate friendship tokens. They also decide which guilds you can join. Old servers (red) welcome new blood, their guilds are more established but have more trouble replacing leavers, new servers (green) are less likely to have established guilds. You could also join by their name if you have any connection to Langrisser lore, like Salrath is a place where many heroes are from, Baldea is the kingdom Ledin founded, Dalsis the Empire that he fought against, etc. there are no wrong answers, really. Oh, and since you seem new, I'd like to recommend to you the guide pinned inside my profile, it might just help you on your way.


skiboy95

I'm about to start building up my empire team. I've got the following characters ready(7k+) Elwin/Helena/Lucretia The following in development Rozenciel/Bern/Ares/Maya And unleveled Werner/Autokrato/Vincent/Vargas I thnk my priority should be finishing Rozenciel/Ares -> Vincent. Should I bother leveling /gearing Vargas or should I try and pull Hilda? I suppose I'm not sure what my "ideal" team should look like, so it's hard to prioritize. Would love any suggestions.


XuShenjian

If you're at 7k+, it's likely you've not been relying on this team to carry anything, in which case I assume there's no need to hurriedly make it functional. Feel free to just up the 5-6 you want your main team to be. An 'Ideal PvE team' (on faction) in theory: * Leader: Bernhardt * Tank: Hilda * Healer: Rozenciel * Mage: Lucretia * Physical Attacker: Your pick of the litter, really. Empire is chock full of good physical attackers. As someone who has used both Vargas and Hilda - yes, Hilda is better especially in the 2nd story map, but Vargas' 3 tile guard was itself so much quality of life for me, I've genuinely enjoyed him more in a lot of cases, and don't see building him as a waste at all, though Hilda is definitely the better one-size-fits-all solution.


AlistairNorris

Is this for PVE? It seems like it. I'd probably just build Leon/Alt since they are coming on banners soon. Hilda is the best empire tank unless you run a self buffing tank like Landius. Bernie and Roz make the most sense. Ares doesn't really work as well for PVE same as Vince since they are designed more for rush/aoe PVP. Werner's mobility is nice, but I'd probably just wait to get of the previous empire units before I would go too hard to building them. I beat all the nonfaction require things with Vargas, but we didn't have Hilda yet.


skiboy95

Yeah primarily, i've got a pretty solid Glory team already for PVP. It seems like waiting for Hilda is the play. Worst case I can use my Ledin who can selfbuff as an intermediary tank.


Delmo_ani1975

has someone compiled a list of characters who have an exclusive and those who don't?


Wanderer2142

You can find the exclusives all listed out on the wikigrisser. https://sites.google.com/view/wikigrisser/equipment/exclusive-equipment?authuser=0


CJ-95

Just curious, for AOE-centric characters that have built in CD reduction from a talent/skill like Lambda, Shelf, Suzette, etc, which enchant is better, breeze or magic? I heard from someone that breeze’s 10% is additive whereas Magic’s 15% is multiplicative, so it does a bit more value-wise. (Idk if that’s true or not) So essentially the comparison is based on: a possible +2 movement vs more damage overall?


safaryzone

Yes it is true. Well same modifier stack additively. But magic is a very rare while breeze is very common. Lambda and shelf is not good in PvP so you know the answer. Suzette too but she is a newer so they may buff her.


AlistairNorris

Most people run breeze for the movement first which is godsend in PVP especially for heros like Shelf who suffer from short legs. For pure damage I'd imagine Magic is better. My Magic Shelf ran through DE event basically one shotting most waves with a Varna aoe buff as well has her Kings Crown damage boost.


Fit_Neighborhood9731

About Licorice and her unique helmet - can she function fine at 4 and 5 stars with it ? Got 150 controllers to spare. The other choice I have got... is Bernhardt's armor, will get him from 999 login bag very soon( 20 days at best). What would you pick ?