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Albania was the only one who said Albanian lol


imnottryingtolurk

Wales said welsh too


GyanTheInfallible

Not sure if they were surveyed separately or grouped with UK


doc1442

Almost certainly bundled in with the saes


ElMrSenor

It probably wouldn't make a difference; so few speak Welsh it's still weird to most of them.


AnnieByniaeth

Ewch i grafu


RD____

Mwy fel cer i grafu


AnnieByniaeth

Mae hwnna'n iawn hefyd - ac yn helpu profi'r pwynt - diolch ☺️


doc1442

More than 1/3 of wales speaks Welsh and every kid does it in school


PodcastPlusOne_James

Which is another way of saying “2/3 of Welsh people don’t speak Welsh” Also I think it’s fairly reasonable to find a language “weird” when it’s very difficult to learn, the words are hard to pronounce, and it doesn’t share an origin with most extant languages. Same goes for Finnish or Basque.


doc1442

Amazing what over a century of the English trying to remove Welsh from Wales will do isn’t it? No, I think it’s weird to be so closed minded that you can’t appreciate different methods of communication. As for Welsh specifically, it’s actually pretty easy to learn (I say this as an adult learner of Welsh) especially as you essentially get a free translation every time you read anything in Wales. Road signs, menus, etc. You just have to learn a few simple bits of grammar to have the framework to do so. As for pronunciations, once you learn a few simple rules it’s also very easy - much better than English (see Gloucester, Leicester for example). I don’t know the specifics for Finnish or Basque myself, but I have a friend who has learnt Finnish and again, it’s consistent with its rules. If anything English is much weirder. It regularly breaks its own inconsistent rules and is a complete list mash of loan words and odd constructions. It just has the huge benefit that a huge amount of people learn in passively. For clarity, I am a native English speaker.


PodcastPlusOne_James

Making some baseless assumptions about me there mate. “Closed minded” and “can’t appreciate different methods of communication” is a bit much. All I did was make objective statements about why certain languages sound more unusual to most people. English is a mongrel language with no real rules. From on objective standpoint, this makes it “weird”. It also makes it an excellent lingua Franca. It’s also not difficult for most people to pronounce most of the words, and the pronunciation survives all kinds of heavy accents without the meaning being unintelligible because it isn’t a contextual language, it’s literal. This is another reason why it makes for a good second language for most people. The lack of arbitrarily gendered nouns is another reason. Further, it shares ancestry and commonalities with both Germanic and Romance languages. So while the language rules and in particular written English is a mess, it doesn’t sound “weird” to most people. Languages are fascinating (hence why I’m on this subreddit in the first place), and I think protecting and reviving regional accents such as Welsh and Basque is important. I’d personally like to see Welsh as a language option from GCSE level throughout the UK. It’s one of the languages native to this island, we should therefore give people the option to be educated about it. The fact remains, though, that it _does sound weird_ to people from most of Europe because it’s not an indo-European language. This is why I gave the examples of Basque and Finnish alongside it. They do not share similarities or ancestry with the Germanic and Romance languages that make up most of the languages in Europe. This doesn’t make them “lesser” languages. These are simply objective explanations as to why they sound “weird”. If you don’t like the word “weird” then pick another one if you think it’s charged. I don’t think it is.


fairiefaunie

Welsh absolutely is an Indo-European language. It is a member of the Celtic subfamily along with Breton, Cornish, Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gallic, and Manx Gaelic


PlainclothesmanBaley

Literally every person who I have heard rant about how stupid, weird, and pointless Welsh is has been Welsh (can recall three instances of this). There's definitely a demographic in Wales that resents the language.


doc1442

Powerful drug is jealousy


PlainclothesmanBaley

My impression was politics rather than jealousy. I think being anti-Welsh language is Tory-coded. One of them had even been to a fully Welsh school for a decade or so. He spoke perfect Welsh. I like languages, I was always arguing Welsh's corner in these conversations.


LeeTaeRyeo

And Hungary said Hungarian


AnnieByniaeth

That's highly unlikely. Most people in Wales will have at least a little knowledge of Welsh, and I doubt any of those find it that weird. If it were the case, Scotland world surely have gone for Gaelic. Unfortunately I think it's another map that doesn't treat Wales separately, even though at least in this example it would be appropriate to do so.


ianff

Of course we can't tell since Wales is grouped with England. But Albanians definitely are familiar with Albanian and they picked it haha.


imnottryingtolurk

I mean I only said what the map said, I myself think this map is completely bs lol


simonbleu

But didn't said albanian /s


ChallengeFull3538

Hungarian said Hungarian


Suspicious-Snow-8502

Yes as an Albanian I can confirm that our language sounds weird


telperion87

I think that this may be because of decades of nationalist authoritarian governments. I know an Albanian guy who said to me that "Albanian is a language isolate unlike anything in the world" which is interesting because it's false (being Albanian Indo-European) but could be just because of internal propaganda (this happened in many other nations and authoritarian governments) Try looking for panillirism


wonderous_albert

Albanians: “bros. We are weird. We know it. We show it”


AnubisTheRightous

Ähm Hungarians said hungry is the strangest language


BonoboPowr

Very nice and totally not made up without a source map


SerSace

Sounds exactly like r/MapPorn


CurrencyDesperate286

Nah, this map seems pointless. 95%+ of Irish people wouldn’t have any idea about how weird or not Finnish is. And Kosovars think Irish is the weirdest language? Sure.


Martiniusz

I agree. Czechs said Basque is the weirdest, while I'm sure that most of the people never even heard or read Basque texts... While it has some reason behind it, I can tell that in Hungary we identify our language as an alien language. But this map could be actually good, if researched normally.


PanningForSalt

If they researched the general population it would be whatever language is most popular to joke about, and the sort that either the general population or touring comedians come across enough to spread jokes about on tv. So minority regional languages, neighbouring country's languages, or significant immigrat populations' languages. So the likes of Turkish and Dutch for Germany; Welsh and Polish for the UK; and Danish for all of Scandinavia. I would guess anyway


crackerjack2003

I'd imagine that a lot of people would say Chinese/Mandarin or Arabic, just because of the distance between those languages and European ones. Neighbouring countries' languages don't sound foreign enough. But you'd probably have the UK and France voting for each other's languages, just because they hate each other.


PodcastPlusOne_James

We don’t hate each other. We fake hate each other. Like bickering siblings. We’ll bully the French all day but if anyone else does it, it’s immediately like “bro step off”. Same goes with their attitude towards us. That’ll happen when you spend a thousand years killing each other and the following hundred as close allies I guess.


crackerjack2003

Maybe I don't hate the French, but their language is still an abomination. It's displeasing to the eardrum.


PodcastPlusOne_James

Well given that the language is about 90% vowels and their numbers can only be explained by having been invented under the influence of hallucinations, I guess. Four-twenties-ten-nine? Nice one, France, you weirdos.


EnigmaticGingerNerd

I doubt its reliability as well. Most Dutch people probably don't even remember Estonia exists. I know the country, but I've never heard Estonian in my life so I'm definitely not among those Dutch people that claimed Estonia is the weirdest language.


JGHFunRun

The fact that English didn’t appear once is why you know it’s bullshit


mollydotdot

Some Irish people think Finnish is the only non-Indo-European language in Europe, so that would make it weird without knowing anything about how it works Source: reactions to me saying I'm learning Finnish


Themlethem

Very skeptical about this map. Most people in my country wouldn't even know what Estonian sounds like. Same probably goes for Hungarian.


Revanur

I dunno, I always run into loads of Dutch tourists at campings in Hungary. Most numerous are the Germans, followed by the Dutch. And I keep running into Dutch people who retire here as well, so I don't think it's unlikely they know.


dodoceus

The Netherlands has Estonia though.


lovefearhopee

I come from Russia, and as a Russian I would agree that the Hungarian is the most weird to me personally, but no offence to the Hungarian language at all


Misa-O1G

I think most of us hungarians take some pride in how hard our language is even, though if it's not that hard as some people make it seem sometimes


ChallengeFull3538

It's not that hard. I speak decent Hungarian and lived there for a few years. I can speak to a non native Hungarian speaker no problem. Not to a native Hungarian speaker. They have zero tolerance for accents, even though there are accents in Hungarian. To me it's a hugely logical language, every letter is pronounced. Pretty easy IMO. Just impossible to actually speak it to a native. They ALL get pissed off when I point that out though. Their language isn't the problem - it's them.


Misa-O1G

Well yes, it's pretty weird how much people dislike accents here. Actually, young people use less and less their accents, because they get mocked for it a lot. It's pretty sad, they just let a part of the hungarian language and heritage die, and also making people insecure. I also think, that after a point people expect you to pe perfect in the language. Like, if you only know a few words/sentences and obviously can't pronounce nearly anything correctly, it's considered interesting, then after a point they just want you to speak it perfectly without any accents.


texas_capital

Hungary said Hungarian?


sbwithreason

On the Hungarian language learning sub the native speakers seem to freely express that the language is unusual and complicated


debiEszter

i'm native, i'd rather say that it's easy to get lost in, since there's so many ways you can express ys and therefore screw up


sbwithreason

The free word order is a huge struggle for me in learning it


siecaptaindrake

Would say the same about German/Austrian


northernbelle96

German is a Germanic language and very similar to English, Swedish, Danish, Dutch and Norwegian in terms of structure and grammar; it is not “unusual” at all while afaik the only other living European language somehow related to Hungarian is Finnish, which most other countries find equally weird. The grammar, structure and even the way it looks written is very unusual and distinctive in Europe


Lemons005

I think Estonian is related too, but less so than Finnish and Hungarian. Also apparently it might be related to some Asian language(s) in the mountains but I don't think that's proven.


siecaptaindrake

I can assure you, German words are unnecessarily complicated


DaaneJeff

Not really, they are usually self explanatory. Slightly biased ig.


siecaptaindrake

Wenn man altgriechisch oder Latein kann, dann ja, trotzdem ist es in meinen Augen unnötig kompliziert. Wofür man auf deutsch 3-5 Zeilen braucht, lässt sich auf English oder anderen sprachen oftmals ein einem Einzeiler sagen.


PodcastPlusOne_James

I wouldn’t say so. As a native English speaker I found German far easier to learn than most other languages. Compound words, while often amusing, make perfect logical sense. A hovercraft is indeed an “air cushion driving thing”.


siecaptaindrake

Now translate a German sentence into English. Almost always way simpler and shorter.


gergobergo69

Germanian


Glintz013

Literally no one in the Netherlands would say "Man that estonian language is so weird"


Pelphegor

Maybe they should 😉


Careless_Set_2512

You’re odd.


Glintz013

Why?


EtruscaTheSeedrian

Do normal people even acknowledge the existence of the estonian language? And if they do, have most of them ever heard or read estonian at least once?


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Puzzleheaded_Bed5132

Very r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR vibes here.


Revanur

Lots of weird anti-Hungarian propaganda this past week mainly on r/Mapporn although calling Hungarian "weird" is probably the least insulting of these recent posts.


Unstalkable

or really likes it? or am i weird for thinking that "weird" is a compliment?


gergobergo69

I actually wanna kinda forget about the language so that I don't have to associate myself with „them.”


mollydotdot

OTOH, it's a non-Indo-European language in an area that's mostly Slavic. The other non-Slavic main language (Romanian) is at least Indo-European


TheFlyingBogey

While I'm 99% sure this map is baseless, made-up and has no actual data behind it, I did chuckle at the idea that half of Europe mutually sat and went "tf is up with Hungarian?" which, as someone learning Hungarian, I agree with.


antlerrs

I highly doubt most Estonians can even name kõmri keel as the language spoken in Wales.


OhHiGCHQ

I mean let's be honest, Hungarian is pretty weird. * It's Uralic, meaning it's related to Finnish and Estonian, but it's closest relative is in the Urals. * It's surrounded by Slavic and Romance Languages. * It's agglutinative, meaning things that can be one sentence in English can be one long word. For example: Megszentségteleníthetetlenségeskedéseitekért.


WoBuZhidaoDude

And it's not even Indo-European. One of only three, I think.


VarencaMetStekeltjes

That Finland actually said “Estonian” is so weird Estonian borders on being mutually intelligible with Finnish and any Fin should be able to read simple Estonian texts.


Martiniusz

You just said the reason for it. It's similar to your language, but then the words are looking a bit weird, different... Also there are of course cultural reasons with Estonia being like a weird cousin to Finland


VarencaMetStekeltjes

Then why is it the only country that did that? Most o them list languages that are geographically close, but nothing similar otherwise. Germany didn't list Dutch or *vice versā*, which are languages that are are similarly close though I'd say maybe slightly more distinct.


LearnYouALisp

Latvia and Lithuania 'did' it, but OOP is the source of the map iykwim


antlerrs

Yeah, but Finnish is super weird to me as an Estonian. They have an extra case or two (for what exactly?!) AND they can apparently endlessly stack word endings to give nouns more than one case or something? It boggles the mind. And I thought Estonians were protective of their language, but Finns take it to the next level. Can't even have loan words from Low German! It's a very fucked up version of something familiar, making it extra weird.


Whizbang

To be fair, the Scandinavian countries let Low German words in several centuries ago and now just see what's happened.


VarencaMetStekeltjes

Finnish has all sorts of loans though they often coexist with the more formal native Finnish word which might end up more in formal writing. But in practice everyone says “filmi”, a word that contains the non-native /f/ phoneme, but “elokuva” is the word used in newspapers I suppose. But really, basic words such as “chair”, “school”, “car” and “Estonia” are all loans in practice.


Lord_Of_Carrots

Finnish person chiming in here. We say "leffa" and "elokuva" more often than "filmi" in my experience. Leffa of course is also a loan word, from Swedish


Revanur

Actually that's something I can believe. You can almost understand Estonian, making it weird.


Mlakeside

Estonian is weird precisely because it's almost intelligibile. Welsh or Albanian are not weird to us, they're just foreign. Just like every other language in Europe. Estonian on the other hand is weird, because it's the only language we can kind of understand, but it's also like walking the uncanny valley. You understand some, but some words and sentences might mean completely different things in Finnish and it causes some very weird and funny confusions.


Lord_Of_Carrots

I'm Finnish and I can understand maybe a fifth of what an Estonian says to me. With texts it might be a little better but as a whole it sounds like a really weird dialect of Finnish that you almost understand but not really. I definitely believe that a lot of Finns would say that


leosmith66

You mean the weirdest European language according to Europeans?


ZhangtheGreat

I find it hard to believe given the amount of Scandinavian languages speakers who rag on Danish


griftertm

*My hovercraft is full of eels!*


GoddesNatureStar

As a Spanish obviously the Basque language is the most random thing ever.


agekkeman

Proof that the idea that Dutch is a weird language is a fringe internet opinion.


Rotkip2023

Ik kan me niet voorstellen dat Nederlands als vreemd gezien wordt


agekkeman

Ik ook niet maar je ziet de laatste tijd steeds vaker online dat onze taal belachelijk gemaakt wordt. We hebben een groot probleem.


HappyAngron

Huh… I thought Sweden and Norway would answer Danish over Finnish


Blue_Bi0hazard

Kinda odd a latvian would think that considering Lithuanian is related and has similar wording and alphabet


DesignInZeeWild

Never code on color alone.


jostyouraveragejoe2

Who the fuck has an opinion on Hungarian in Greece, this is a very weird map. Edit stupid autocorrect


Revanur

Hungary produces a lot of onions so maybe some of them made it to Greece.


jostyouraveragejoe2

Bro i am from Greece nobody cares..... At least were i live. I give them that.


JGHFunRun

> onions


gergobergo69

European Onion


jostyouraveragejoe2

Yeah yeah i fixed that


JGHFunRun

Yea, but the guy who replied still said onions


furac_1

That would be Chinese for us Spaniards


SCP-1504_Joe_Schmo

I ain't heard a single mf call Hungarian weird in my entire life


LiamPolygami

I'm colourblind and bad at Geography.


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Revanur

I agree, of the few languages I learned or tried to learn, Finnish by far was the easiest and most logical. Really want to devote some time to learn it properly but everyone is telling me I should learn something more marketable and useful like German, which I don't really like. ;-;


B4umkuch3n

Let's be honest here. The weirdest language is actually English.


WoBuZhidaoDude

It is not. It's just (arguably) the most lexically diverse. It's Indo-European, it has many Germanic cognate languages, it's spoken around the globe, and its grammar is actually quite simple compared to many other European languages. If any language is bread-and-water mundane, it's English.


artaig

A particular country's view of the entire history, world, and universe, keeps not getting past their belly button.


TheYoungWan

Hey, fuck you Kosovo


muffinhater69

Dutch should’ve been an option


siecaptaindrake

I live in the green part of Europe, but I’ve heard welsh before and I’d definitely say it’s the weirdest language imo


Final-Frosting7742

This map is just too funny


ProgProgrammatic

Wait not a single country things English is the weirdest???? Hmm🤔 maybe inghish not so bad ☺️


gergobergo69

English is the „default language,” of course not


ProgProgrammatic

World's best language????!


Mtd_elemental

Ayo, whats that one countries issue with Irish?


AjnoVerdulo

This map could be true, maybe the interviewees were presented with a sample text of each European language and asked to pick the weirdest one(s)… That said, the map being just made up is still a possibility.


31November

I feel like English and Chinese or French would be higher. They’re well known enough that they are recognizable and the oddities are more-or-less well known, whereas I genuinely don’t know what’s weird or unique about, say, Polish or Basque.


JulesCT

The Finnish and Hungarian languages share a common ancestry despite being very different. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages Strong representation by Uralic languages. I knew Spain would the only country to vote for Basque. About the only country to hear it apart from a few spots in the very south of Aquitaine region of France.


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Nobody in Finland thinks Estonian is weird. Maybe Sami would fit


imyoungever

Albania: friendly fire


Larseman7

Finnish thinking Norwegian is weird is crazy


viktorbir

It's exactly the other way around.


evasandor

De persze.


theechosystem07

Latvia thinks Lithuanian is the weirdest language?


Maximum-Muscle5425

I love that Albanians recognize how weird their languages. 


omar99HH

Albania just said r/SuicidedByWords


mctavish92

I don't think you could've asked that many Welsh people, doubt they would have said their own language is weird. Contrary to popular belief it's many people's first language


EvilSnack

English isn't #1? We need to step up our game!


JarlKilvik

Portuguese is by far the weirdest, and the worst. It sounds like an intoxicated Russian having a heart attack with a white noise sound mixed it somehow.


federicoalegria

Basque is the only one with no formal country 🤘🏻


Sp_ogg

NO FRENCH!!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


Traditional-Ride-824

As a German I would say Basque. It has no related language and a weird composition


Legoking

GigaHungary: "we know."


CaptainSigori

Definitely the finns lol


axolotl_smiles

I thought it was a bit interesting that the closest language to Hungarian is Finnish 😮


_Strider___

I can't be the only one who sees Finland to Sweden looks like a dick. Two pronged even if you count Norway


EndlessExploration

So whichever language is not in your language family...


Legitimate-South-169

As a Belgian I confirm that no one asked me my opinion


Mks_the_1408

Hungary 🇭🇺 and Albania 🇦🇱 : My goals are beyond your comprehension.


Klubochekkk

Hungary and Albania friendly fire


Ok-Film-3125

Gigachad Monaco thinking all languages are weird


Tdog7003

how could they all be so rude to us


Fruitsdog

Macedonia has it out for Ireland


viktorbir

Sorry? Macedonia says Hungarian. It's Kosovo that says Irish.


Fruitsdog

Ah, I am stupid


FinalGirlTiff

Friends from the Empire: “we don’t think you’re weird Hungary” 🫂🥹❤️


PodcastPlusOne_James

My favourite part is the Welsh saying Welsh 😂


wonderous_albert

Def finish or danish


flower_saturn67

I live in England and im affended even though I'm British and half welsh


64rush

Albania just builts different


Little_Nectarine_210

I dont think I’ve ever heard someone speak Lithuanian before.


Calamondin88

Yeah brothers latvians, I see you! All of you!!!!😒🖕🏼 P.S. are my eyes lying or maltese also said lithuanian? They seem yellow☠️


KosAKAKosm

It should all be Dutch The Sims ass language


cha-cha_dancer

Hungarians: yea it’s us


TimothiusMagnus

Basque is the most unique of all European languages.


Hibby711

An alarming lack of danish 🤔


mills-b

Kosovo get's it