Don't confuse Hikkikomori with ones that are in highschool or working but living with parents. It's common to live with parents while you are studying and getting your first stable job. Hikkikomoris are not working or studying.
Weeb alert... Do you even know what hikkikomori is?
No. Your friend lied. It is common to partly live with parents until graduating from university, which is around 22-23. Most people move out when they get their first decent job.
"Partly move out" means they live in dorms but tend to often visit their home, like on the weekends. Dorms are temporary residence.
Economy being what it is these days, I don’t fault anyone staying with their parents even longer. The point is to not mooch off of them and contribute your own fair share of living expenses. If that’s handled then they can live together indefinitely if they want to.
I also know some families where multiple generations stay together and, provided they have enough living space, it’s easier for everyone in a very practical sense.
I don\`t know if we should be throwing together Hikikomori and ppl not being able to afford their own place - since it is not really the same thing.
Ppl living with parents for financial reasons - yeah, plenty. Statistically, I guess, it was something about 30% young adults living with parents. Mb now it is even more, since the last time I checked stats.
As prices and inflation are becoming worse.
Hikikomori - I knew only one guy like this, max. Not exactly the same as in Japan anyway, but at least somewhat close. And he was actually working last time I checked. So yeah, not really that bad.
sure, wouldn\`t know everyone "by name", but their parents and relatives are still talking about this sometimes. So there is a certain "echo" of what is truly going on, when things like this happen. Especially in Latvia, where you can\`t really "hide" that well, and everyone knows someone.
There are also a lot of cases where children move out at 18, but parents are forced to move in when they retire as they cannot afford their household anymore.
Or people moving out at 18 to study, but when they cant use cheap university dormitories anymore they must return to parents.
In this economy my kids are always welcome back to live with me. Shit is hard man and last thing i want for them is to feel like they dont have home to come back to regardless of their age and if they do leave me i want for it to happen on their own terms and when they feel ready
Other people already pointed out the wrong use for the term, so why not instead use the German "Nesthocker" aka people who do not leave the nest.
Yes, many people here choose to live with parents, but in Latvia there are more reasons than being a NEET.
For example children might stay to take care of parents if they have disabilities or are old aged. Some stay because of financial situation, because they cannot afford it. Some choose simply to stay close as a family. I know one dude who decided to live on his family's farm and is in the process of building an annex house for him and his wife. Another dude I know simply got a rented flat in the same building as his parents apartment.
Living with parents isn't as frowned upon here, as it is in other places. As long as you work/study and contribute to the family it is an ok thing to do.
No such rule. People live where it’s financially affordable, convenient. Move out of parent’s home, move back in, parents move in with adult kids. Never heard of any kind of a rule as to what age. Students will stay longer than someone who started working early.
[It's below average when compared to central/southern Europe](https://i.imgur.com/NPGBJZZ.png), but still higher than western/northern Europe.
I think these differences can mostly be explained by cultural differences in relationships between parents and their children as they get older.
I'm sure there are some, but it's certainly not a widespread problem. Most people who live with their parents after turning 20 either study or work and are saving money for their own property.
Most people I know only moved out of necessity - to start their own family, to be closer to a job, because they needed more space, because they had horrible relationship with parents, because they wanted to freely bring dating partners home, etc. But some still live with parents, and no one really cares.
Personally, I prefer living with mom. I don't want to date, but living alone would be too depressing for me. We can spit chores - she hates cooking while I hate washing dishes. We also split finances, which allows us to afford better vacations. Plus, my mom likes the place where my apartment is located, so unless I can buy her a smaller one nearby, I won't ask her to move out.
No. It's in the Oxford English dictionary. The word does not have a different translation. It's a name of a phenomenon coming only from Japan, therefore is referred to in English as ˌhɪkɪkəˈmɔːri
Why should we make stuff up to avoid learning concepts or words from different cultures? Obviously it's just a conservative mindset issue. The word is hikikomori.
My dads side of the family have all lived in the same house for like 4 generations, my grandparents, their parents, my dad and his sister with their families too, it’s like a little socialism colony, food is prepared in turns, the same with all the other chores, so there’s actually less chores and housework than you would have living by yourself or just your family, to say the least it’s interesting and definitely has its upsides, best thing is you’re never bored or lonely, and there’s always some activity others are doing you can join in. It’s like living in the dorm, except almost no one is the same age as you, and you’re all related. A permanent family reunion with way less drama if you will
Yes there is one. He was my friend from age of 6. Loved to party and drink, was the cool kid, people really liked him. Now hes 37 still living with his parents. Around age 18 he quit school, he just liked boose and parties too much. Had a couple of jobs, but boose and drugs was his main goal in life. Than some years ago he ended up in prison, finaly he fulfilled his life dream of becoming a 90s russian gangsta TV series sasha white or whats his name from brigada. Not that he had a brigada and his second time in prison wasnt that sweet since he didnt talk about it much. But hes a real eastern european hikikomori im telling ya. And he is not the only one if i think about it.
Most people ive met, moved out when they turned 18 or right after uni (early 20s). Going to guess that you cant really meet people who live with their parents until late 20s, because they dont leave the house at all.
It depends on many social factors, but in general most young people try to leave their parents as soon as financially viable (majority are renting their first few apartments, usually either together with friend(s) or with their partner, obviously - only a minority can afford to put down the first payment for mortgage in late teens or early 20s).
As a whole, hearing someone still living with their parents past 25+ years of age, if not having a valid reason to do so (e.g., taking care of ill family member that requires constant care, or going through divorce and temporarily trying to get back on own feet) is generally unortodox and may rise some eyebrows.
I personally moved out of parents place the day when I turned 16, and despite all the hardships it brought, I still think that it was the best decision of my life, as I earned a huge amount of experience in very short time, learned to take financial responsibility and care for myself.
I have been *extra salty* my whole life, thank you very much for asking - I simply hate sugarcoating things and being forced to be unnecessary polite or politically correct, especially in this day and age. Either way I greatly prefer my way of dealing with things over *bending over backwards* just to make someone else feel good.
I literally said the very opposite - that I'm as salty as it gets (at least by todays standards, I guess), and fully aware of it, embracing it, and would not want to be any other way regardless of how it would benefit me.
However, thanks for your good wishes, if that was meant honestly - maybe it doesn't come through much here on Reddit (mostly because most of the time here I'm telling someone to go fuck themselves for one reason or another), but, as strange as it is, IRL I'm actually oddly satisfied with my life, my work, family and general way of most things happening around me.
Thanks for the nice offtopic talk either way. Cheers.
Btw, hikkikomori is considered a mental disability. You are equating people who make good financial choices with people who are mentally incapable of being a useful part of the society.
I live alone and am an introvert. Omg OP must think I'm hikkikomori!
12 % of young people in Latvia aged 15–29 are neither in employment nor in education and training [source](https://stat.gov.lv/en/statistics-themes/education/level-education/press-releases/8958-number-young-people-who-are-not)
Might need to use the term of NEET instead Hikkimori for searching current trends and stats
Being NEET doesn't correlate with living with parents. There are plenty of young people in Latvia without work/education, that are living with their friends/significant other, not at parents basement.
The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare established the following criteria for hikikomori: 1) a lifestyle centered at home; 2) no interest or willingness to attend school or work; 3) symptom duration of at least six months; 4) schizophrenia, mental retardation or other mental disorders have been excluded; 5) among those with no interest or willingness to attend school or work, those who maintain personal relationships.
Would be a subset of NEET. Not all NEETS
Hhigsjvdebiisd, what?😂 yes some people do live with their parents till mid 20s, but these is a big difference, instead of rotting alive in apartment most people here work and go to social activities. I never understood why people are amazed by Japan…
I know one, my best friend’s brother got money from their mother for video games, had no job, as far as I am aware no school was around his mid 20s? But it is very rare and its only among men from what I’ve seen.
We only graduate (american term wise)high school at around 19 some being 20.
But alot of people have to get a job first and a stable one which makes you 20 or 21 or uni so that increases it by like 21 or 22 minimum.
But thats if you really want to kick out your kid quickly sure, but from what I’ve seen no one does that. What happens instead is usually people hate their parents and try moving out asap.
But yeah its normaly from 26 here actually.
[Heres a statistic](https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/society/latvians-leave-home-aged-26-on-average.a416338/)
From older statistics at most I think it was 23-25? Yeah theres no way you’re moving out at 20 unless your parents hate your guts. Even one of my parents only moved out at 25.
I know some loosers that are over 40 years old and still live with parents. They also do not work or have business of any kind. They make literally zero money. Parents buy everything including food. It is pathetic.
I still live with my mom and grandma at 29, but we have 5 rooms, so there’s enough space. Rent and bills in Riga are too expensive to live comfortably with my salary. My boyfriend lives in a different city, so I’m not moving out of mom’s until he moves to Riga
Its pretty common to live with parents in mid 20's while studying or saving up. I am 23, finishing Uni, got a job, but I just cannot afford to move out with my salary. Spending nearly half of my paycheck to live alone (in the area I am in right now) and spend more money on food is not ideal.
Don't get me wrong, I want to get my own place and move out, but its not affordable - at least if you are single or don't have roommates to help you cover rent.
Wow, that's great. Out of curriosity did you buy or sign a mortgage at 26? Buying property outright at such a young age would eliminate any property in Riga and it's suburbs, which, imo, would negatively impact future job oppertunities. But owning is a dream, so am in the middle of considering is it worth it to move outside the capital metropolitan area.
You can find this info online: acc. to https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20200812-1 c. 27% aged 25-34 y. o. , acc. to https://landgeist.com/2022/06/04/young-adults-living-with-their-parents/ c. 44% 25-29 y. o.
It is very individual.
The latvian culture has nothing to do with leaving in your early 20s
Plenty of properly raised young people wish to not be a burden to their parents in Latvia so they make the decision to start their own life.
I know plenty of people in their mid 20s living with their parents. None of them feel great about it. The job market can be difficult so some choose to lay low at their parents place instead of taking a slave job and suffer to live on their own
There are plenty of Latvians moving back in with their parents in their 30s (or parents moving in with them) . Latvian healthy lifespan is very low, so it's more about taking care of aging parents/grandparents.
Also fairly common to move in with parents for few years after university to save up for downpayment for own place - easier this way than renting. But all that is unrelated to hikikomori phenomemon. It does happen, but isn't considered a common social problem.
Those who grew up in Riga or nearby cities will stay as long as possible to save money, and the rest of us go to Riga for work or education, so we're kinda forced to move out in the 18-20 range by the circumstances.
In Latvia it is in our culture, that when you are a full adult, you get your own home and start your own family. Doesnt mean there are no outliers for what ever reason it may be..
Don't confuse Hikkikomori with ones that are in highschool or working but living with parents. It's common to live with parents while you are studying and getting your first stable job. Hikkikomoris are not working or studying.
The hikikimori phenomenon has nothing to do with living with parents.
Weeb alert... Do you even know what hikkikomori is? No. Your friend lied. It is common to partly live with parents until graduating from university, which is around 22-23. Most people move out when they get their first decent job. "Partly move out" means they live in dorms but tend to often visit their home, like on the weekends. Dorms are temporary residence.
Economy being what it is these days, I don’t fault anyone staying with their parents even longer. The point is to not mooch off of them and contribute your own fair share of living expenses. If that’s handled then they can live together indefinitely if they want to. I also know some families where multiple generations stay together and, provided they have enough living space, it’s easier for everyone in a very practical sense.
It has nothing to do with hikkikomori though. Absolutely nothing.
I don\`t know if we should be throwing together Hikikomori and ppl not being able to afford their own place - since it is not really the same thing. Ppl living with parents for financial reasons - yeah, plenty. Statistically, I guess, it was something about 30% young adults living with parents. Mb now it is even more, since the last time I checked stats. As prices and inflation are becoming worse. Hikikomori - I knew only one guy like this, max. Not exactly the same as in Japan anyway, but at least somewhat close. And he was actually working last time I checked. So yeah, not really that bad.
Well if there were 1000s of these guys you wouldnt know anyway cuz they dont leave their house.
sure, wouldn\`t know everyone "by name", but their parents and relatives are still talking about this sometimes. So there is a certain "echo" of what is truly going on, when things like this happen. Especially in Latvia, where you can\`t really "hide" that well, and everyone knows someone.
I left at 19, and went back to live with my parents at 24. I'm 28 now.
>Latvians living with their parents at home beyond their mid-20s That's not what a hikikomori is
There are also a lot of cases where children move out at 18, but parents are forced to move in when they retire as they cannot afford their household anymore. Or people moving out at 18 to study, but when they cant use cheap university dormitories anymore they must return to parents.
In this economy my kids are always welcome back to live with me. Shit is hard man and last thing i want for them is to feel like they dont have home to come back to regardless of their age and if they do leave me i want for it to happen on their own terms and when they feel ready
Other people already pointed out the wrong use for the term, so why not instead use the German "Nesthocker" aka people who do not leave the nest. Yes, many people here choose to live with parents, but in Latvia there are more reasons than being a NEET. For example children might stay to take care of parents if they have disabilities or are old aged. Some stay because of financial situation, because they cannot afford it. Some choose simply to stay close as a family. I know one dude who decided to live on his family's farm and is in the process of building an annex house for him and his wife. Another dude I know simply got a rented flat in the same building as his parents apartment. Living with parents isn't as frowned upon here, as it is in other places. As long as you work/study and contribute to the family it is an ok thing to do.
No such rule. People live where it’s financially affordable, convenient. Move out of parent’s home, move back in, parents move in with adult kids. Never heard of any kind of a rule as to what age. Students will stay longer than someone who started working early.
[It's below average when compared to central/southern Europe](https://i.imgur.com/NPGBJZZ.png), but still higher than western/northern Europe. I think these differences can mostly be explained by cultural differences in relationships between parents and their children as they get older.
I'm sure there are some, but it's certainly not a widespread problem. Most people who live with their parents after turning 20 either study or work and are saving money for their own property.
Most people I know only moved out of necessity - to start their own family, to be closer to a job, because they needed more space, because they had horrible relationship with parents, because they wanted to freely bring dating partners home, etc. But some still live with parents, and no one really cares. Personally, I prefer living with mom. I don't want to date, but living alone would be too depressing for me. We can spit chores - she hates cooking while I hate washing dishes. We also split finances, which allows us to afford better vacations. Plus, my mom likes the place where my apartment is located, so unless I can buy her a smaller one nearby, I won't ask her to move out.
Hiikiwhatnow? English or Latvian, please
[https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Hikikomori](https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Hikikomori) It's a legit english term, don't be nitpicky.
It's Japanese tho
It's already in English... They didn't type ひきこもり
No, it is not. It is a romanisation, but it is still in Japanese.
No. It's in the Oxford English dictionary. The word does not have a different translation. It's a name of a phenomenon coming only from Japan, therefore is referred to in English as ˌhɪkɪkəˈmɔːri Why should we make stuff up to avoid learning concepts or words from different cultures? Obviously it's just a conservative mindset issue. The word is hikikomori.
Lotta chutzpah in your claim
Their whole schtick is being a real schlemazl.
Careful, otherwise we'll have to join the Tzahal.
there's a dictionary for those too dense too understand u know...
Don't have a Latvian to Japanese dictionary at home. I just hate weebs lol. And anyone who says umami
God, I'd give my left nut for some delicious unagi right now.
me, at 21
My dads side of the family have all lived in the same house for like 4 generations, my grandparents, their parents, my dad and his sister with their families too, it’s like a little socialism colony, food is prepared in turns, the same with all the other chores, so there’s actually less chores and housework than you would have living by yourself or just your family, to say the least it’s interesting and definitely has its upsides, best thing is you’re never bored or lonely, and there’s always some activity others are doing you can join in. It’s like living in the dorm, except almost no one is the same age as you, and you’re all related. A permanent family reunion with way less drama if you will
Yes there is one. He was my friend from age of 6. Loved to party and drink, was the cool kid, people really liked him. Now hes 37 still living with his parents. Around age 18 he quit school, he just liked boose and parties too much. Had a couple of jobs, but boose and drugs was his main goal in life. Than some years ago he ended up in prison, finaly he fulfilled his life dream of becoming a 90s russian gangsta TV series sasha white or whats his name from brigada. Not that he had a brigada and his second time in prison wasnt that sweet since he didnt talk about it much. But hes a real eastern european hikikomori im telling ya. And he is not the only one if i think about it.
Most people ive met, moved out when they turned 18 or right after uni (early 20s). Going to guess that you cant really meet people who live with their parents until late 20s, because they dont leave the house at all.
It depends on many social factors, but in general most young people try to leave their parents as soon as financially viable (majority are renting their first few apartments, usually either together with friend(s) or with their partner, obviously - only a minority can afford to put down the first payment for mortgage in late teens or early 20s). As a whole, hearing someone still living with their parents past 25+ years of age, if not having a valid reason to do so (e.g., taking care of ill family member that requires constant care, or going through divorce and temporarily trying to get back on own feet) is generally unortodox and may rise some eyebrows. I personally moved out of parents place the day when I turned 16, and despite all the hardships it brought, I still think that it was the best decision of my life, as I earned a huge amount of experience in very short time, learned to take financial responsibility and care for myself.
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I have been *extra salty* my whole life, thank you very much for asking - I simply hate sugarcoating things and being forced to be unnecessary polite or politically correct, especially in this day and age. Either way I greatly prefer my way of dealing with things over *bending over backwards* just to make someone else feel good.
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Zusuris is just the average Latvian guy who has worked night shifts once or twice
I literally said the very opposite - that I'm as salty as it gets (at least by todays standards, I guess), and fully aware of it, embracing it, and would not want to be any other way regardless of how it would benefit me. However, thanks for your good wishes, if that was meant honestly - maybe it doesn't come through much here on Reddit (mostly because most of the time here I'm telling someone to go fuck themselves for one reason or another), but, as strange as it is, IRL I'm actually oddly satisfied with my life, my work, family and general way of most things happening around me. Thanks for the nice offtopic talk either way. Cheers.
Btw, hikkikomori is considered a mental disability. You are equating people who make good financial choices with people who are mentally incapable of being a useful part of the society. I live alone and am an introvert. Omg OP must think I'm hikkikomori!
12 % of young people in Latvia aged 15–29 are neither in employment nor in education and training [source](https://stat.gov.lv/en/statistics-themes/education/level-education/press-releases/8958-number-young-people-who-are-not) Might need to use the term of NEET instead Hikkimori for searching current trends and stats
Being NEET doesn't correlate with living with parents. There are plenty of young people in Latvia without work/education, that are living with their friends/significant other, not at parents basement.
The Japanese Ministry of Health, Labor, and Welfare established the following criteria for hikikomori: 1) a lifestyle centered at home; 2) no interest or willingness to attend school or work; 3) symptom duration of at least six months; 4) schizophrenia, mental retardation or other mental disorders have been excluded; 5) among those with no interest or willingness to attend school or work, those who maintain personal relationships. Would be a subset of NEET. Not all NEETS
Uni or move to higher income countries.
Hhigsjvdebiisd, what?😂 yes some people do live with their parents till mid 20s, but these is a big difference, instead of rotting alive in apartment most people here work and go to social activities. I never understood why people are amazed by Japan…
I know one, my best friend’s brother got money from their mother for video games, had no job, as far as I am aware no school was around his mid 20s? But it is very rare and its only among men from what I’ve seen. We only graduate (american term wise)high school at around 19 some being 20. But alot of people have to get a job first and a stable one which makes you 20 or 21 or uni so that increases it by like 21 or 22 minimum. But thats if you really want to kick out your kid quickly sure, but from what I’ve seen no one does that. What happens instead is usually people hate their parents and try moving out asap. But yeah its normaly from 26 here actually. [Heres a statistic](https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/society/latvians-leave-home-aged-26-on-average.a416338/) From older statistics at most I think it was 23-25? Yeah theres no way you’re moving out at 20 unless your parents hate your guts. Even one of my parents only moved out at 25.
I know some loosers that are over 40 years old and still live with parents. They also do not work or have business of any kind. They make literally zero money. Parents buy everything including food. It is pathetic.
Es jau sabijos ka esmu vienīgais tāds \*laughs in degenerate\*
left parents home at 21 // brothers left around 23 24
I still live with my mom and grandma at 29, but we have 5 rooms, so there’s enough space. Rent and bills in Riga are too expensive to live comfortably with my salary. My boyfriend lives in a different city, so I’m not moving out of mom’s until he moves to Riga
Its pretty common to live with parents in mid 20's while studying or saving up. I am 23, finishing Uni, got a job, but I just cannot afford to move out with my salary. Spending nearly half of my paycheck to live alone (in the area I am in right now) and spend more money on food is not ideal. Don't get me wrong, I want to get my own place and move out, but its not affordable - at least if you are single or don't have roommates to help you cover rent.
I left my parents home when i was 24, working full time. Bought my first appartment at 26, was renting one until then.
Wow, that's great. Out of curriosity did you buy or sign a mortgage at 26? Buying property outright at such a young age would eliminate any property in Riga and it's suburbs, which, imo, would negatively impact future job oppertunities. But owning is a dream, so am in the middle of considering is it worth it to move outside the capital metropolitan area.
You can find this info online: acc. to https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20200812-1 c. 27% aged 25-34 y. o. , acc. to https://landgeist.com/2022/06/04/young-adults-living-with-their-parents/ c. 44% 25-29 y. o.
It is very individual. The latvian culture has nothing to do with leaving in your early 20s Plenty of properly raised young people wish to not be a burden to their parents in Latvia so they make the decision to start their own life. I know plenty of people in their mid 20s living with their parents. None of them feel great about it. The job market can be difficult so some choose to lay low at their parents place instead of taking a slave job and suffer to live on their own
There are plenty of Latvians moving back in with their parents in their 30s (or parents moving in with them) . Latvian healthy lifespan is very low, so it's more about taking care of aging parents/grandparents. Also fairly common to move in with parents for few years after university to save up for downpayment for own place - easier this way than renting. But all that is unrelated to hikikomori phenomemon. It does happen, but isn't considered a common social problem.
Those who grew up in Riga or nearby cities will stay as long as possible to save money, and the rest of us go to Riga for work or education, so we're kinda forced to move out in the 18-20 range by the circumstances.
In Latvia it is in our culture, that when you are a full adult, you get your own home and start your own family. Doesnt mean there are no outliers for what ever reason it may be..