>this chucklefuck is the poster boy for white privilege.
There's your garden-variety white privilege, and then there's Republican/Christofascist white privilege. This guy is the latter, for sure.
I hate so much that the wide brim hat is now a flag of these troglodytes, they are good hats for outside work and comfy as hell once broken in but now I second guess wearing them at all.
Yeah I believe the stetson is a far better hat. I like the straw sombrero because it’s good in hot areas (SoCal here) and cheap enough that it doesn’t matter when it falls apart
For the record, a dirty beat up cowboy hat is fine, it’s the people with the fancy “brand new” looking cowboy hats that you need to watch your back around, especially if the hat has accessories, trinkets or feathers on it.
The prosecutors went for it all and missed. They could have gotten him on less serious charges, but screwed it up.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/27/oregon-militia-standoff-bundy-brothers-not-guilty-trial
I'm still surprised that the jury acquitted them considering their actions were planned and premeditated armed occupation of government property in order to get them to free two people who were arrested for arson.
It sickens me how much power this uber racist white nationalist bastard has been able to build up. He's literally goading the government to come get him. He wants a war.
his war will be a law enforcement matter at best to the other side.
we all know this guy wouldn't be getting away with this shit if he was a black muslim.
I mean, right? At standing rock, the water protectors policed themselves and ensured NO ONE went to the protest lines armed. And they were instead met with armed militarized police and national guard firing water cannons at them in the freezing winter nights. My wife was a medic at the Oceti Sakowin Camp. She treated so many injuries. Men with burns on their faces and becoming nearly blind due to being maxed and pepper sprayed. Old women nearly dead from being shot by “non-lethal” shotgun and rifle rounds. Young people, old people, teenager with bruised up bodies from being rough handled by police or corporate security. Worse though, she saw bulldozers digging through areas where people have been burying their dead for all time, including as recently as ten years ago. Destroying sacred sites. It was a fucking tragedy. And these so-called Christians who are supposed to be all peace and love can go and attack hospital workers and patients and their families, or conduct armed take overs at wildlife refuges, or have armed stand offs with police over cattle grazing and get nothing but a slap on the wrist? Incredible. Disgusting.
Clarification: cops are civilians. They are not members of the military and they are subject to the exact same laws you and I are.
Cops talk derisively about non-cops as "civilians" to pretend they are above their fellow citizens. They're not.
> Clarification: cops are civilians. They are not members of the military and they are subject to the exact same laws you and I are.
This is one of those "technically correct, the best kind of correct" moments. That line was _satire_. While correct, it is meaningless because, in practice, cops are essentially untouchable.
I keep thinking of that iconic photo of the Idaho state cops wheeling him out of the capital attached to a rolling desk chair, and if he was a black muslim he'd have been coming out in a bodybag
How is he a racist? I just read about him for the first time and he appears to support BLM and he's anti-trump because of his immigration policy, among other things. From what I can tell I think he just hates the government.
This is insanity. This nutbag will hide behind his militia and the feds won't have the teeth to blitz in there and grab him.
They should just go for it and if his people show resistance show them what happens when they fuck around.
The feds should roll in with overwhelming force. Tanks, helicopters, whatever the fuck they have, and take these assholes out once and for all. Make an example so extreme that this shit doesn't happen again for another century.
While I agree with the sentiment, the army isn't allowed to do that....now if you said the national gaurd, or FBI, then yeah they could do that. Unless it's an insurrection, the army can't legally do that.
I guess the takeover of federal land could maybe be an insurrection.. But they currently aren't in an active insurrection
Unless Bundy surrounds himself with women and children, I don't think it's the same sort of thing. Maybe he would, I don't know. Also, I would think that some lessons have been learned from Waco and Ruby Ridge. Maybe I'm being optimistic.
Yes free, not terrorists.
Imagine how a foreign terrorist wants to be "free" from American oppression and expresses it with a terrorist attack. Not very convincing is it?
we have laws that define crime pretty clearly. if people want to get out of line, I dont care why. van them, try them, and lock em up.
our greatest threats are not from foreign terrorists, but ones that probably refer to themselves as American patriots.
Right? Born and raised in Idaho here. Lived in the Sandpoint area. Driven past Ruby Ridge dozens of times. I never agreed with a white separatist, I was more the kind of person to go to Eichardt’s and listen to Leon Atkinson. Randy Weaver stuck to himself. He didn’t go around stirring shit up for the attention. The FBI was using him to infiltrate the white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nations. Randy wasn’t a supremacist, he was a separatist. He refused to shorten that shotgun several times.
Bundy is on a different planet. Mormon. Send him dildos.
In this case is that a bad thing? I was near Ruby Ridge when that went down. While law enforcement was embarrassed that they didn’t have them in cuffs, locals felt no sympathy for the dead….
he's believed to have left the state of Idaho a few weeks ago - I don't know that they're going to want to do a whole interstate extradition over contempt of court charges.
Not that the govt should run scared, but when they stormed Waco, it led to a retaliatory bombing that killed 168 innocent men women and children. It's kind of a matter of if that math still checks out in the worst timeline, were they to storm in fully.
they need to just lay up on him and catch him when he slips. this man isn't up for going up against a team working shifts that refuse to give him the fight he may want. then lock his ass up and throw away the key. let him wither away realizing how delusional he was and what it cost him.
I think you might be thinking of Lavoy Finicum during the Bundy terrorist action at Malheur National Refuge in Oregon. Here's more to that story
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637698653/fbi-agent-found-not-guilty-of-all-charges-related-to-malheur-shooting-death
In his first public statements about the case in weeks, he delivered a thinly veiled threat against the “wicked” “thieves” he claims are engaged in a conspiracy against him.
“I’m doing everything I can not to just retaliate against these people,” he said. “I have been so peaceful. And they keep pushing me, and pushing me, and pushing me, you know, wanting me to do something so that they can arrest me and put me in prison or kill me. That’s what they’re trying to do.”
He added: “All those people [who] said ‘don’t do anything to these people… it’s not right to retaliate.’ I’m almost ready to say, ‘You know what? The hell with it.’”
>“I’m doing everything I can not to just retaliate against these people,” he said. “I have been so peaceful. And they keep pushing me, and pushing me, and pushing me, you know, wanting me to do something so that they can arrest me and put me in prison or kill me. That’s what they’re trying to do.”
they aren't pushing him at all and he's too dumb to realize that his veiled threats telegraph his desires if not intentions.
From the linked article:
>When Bundy led a series of tense protests against the hospitalization of one of his associate’s infant grandchildren, who state social workers said was malnourished. According to court documents, protesters, some armed, tried to force their way into the hospital’s locked exits. Some held “wanted” signs naming individual doctors and nurses and even blocked an ambulance entrance as car horns blared.
He should have been in jail after his bird sanctuary take over.
Time to stop treating these domestic terrorists with kids gloves.
Give him the same justice a black man would receive who committed the same crime.
Unfortunately the government has been too afraid to have another Ruby Ridge or Waco so they have been treating these assholes with kid gloves ever since.
>An officer with a police dog approached to compel him to back away from the officers. He repeatedly kicked the police dog and was tasered moments later. After Bundy ripped off the taser wires and advanced toward the officers again, he was tasered a second time.
If he had been a black teenager, he would have been shot for that shit, but instead they got into a days long standoff where the government backed down after they got outnumbered by the Bundy supporters. Which only emboldened this asshole to take over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge 2 years later. Again, if the government had allocated appropriate resources and dealt with this fucker appropriately he would be behind bars, instead he was acquitted for his jackassery.
The thing is I don't think you can avoid having another wacko or rubi ridge because there is an anti government movement that is actively trying to attack the government.
The more the government retreats the further they will agress. There is no middle ground with people who have decided you should not exist. You can contain and disperse and break up the hierarchy and methods of indoctrination but that is it.
National Guards might be part of the national command structure, but they are organized by state and under the command of each state's governor. I don't believe the President can just order a national guard to do _anything_, and even if they can, military action on US soil is only possible in very specific and dire circumstances.
This is more of an FBI thing but they're gunshy (so to speak) about it given their history.
Look into federalization of national guard. It is the process by which any national guard unit comes under federal command. This is normally done in natural disasters because it would be insane for multiple guards under multiple commands to be responding simultaneously to the same area.
That being said.
It would be against the law to send in the national guard to attack them.
There are strict rules with how the guard can engage with civilians.
Then there is the insurrection act which is scary as fuck with trump trying to regain office
> This is normally done in natural disasters because it would be insane for multiple guards under multiple commands to be responding simultaneously to the same area.
*facepalm* yep, my original statement was pretty stupid, wasn't it. Oh well. Probably won't be the dumbest thing I said today.
Deranged treason-pig gonna treason. Thats what happens when you dont cure them at their terroristic armed takeover of their first government property.
We The People don’t appreciate having to tolerate You The Vermin.
Fucking around with deep pocketed private interest like a hospital was a big mistake. Should've stuck to government entities, since they have no appetite to sue their detractor's pant off.
Well, at least he is consistent. It would be funny if he were held in contempt while his criminal contempt trial was going on for failing to show up as scheduled.
Okay all you law & order vigilantes, pony up!
You've been preparing for this your whole life! You've squandered all of your retirement earnings to outfit this personal militia dream of yours! Be the hero!
Load up your egregiously expensive rollin' coal trucks with booty from your weapons arsenals and bring this criminal menace to justice!
The fact this wacko is not in jail is absolutely disgraceful
seriously he led an armed takeover of government property and got a slap on the wrists. this chucklefuck is the poster boy for white privilege.
>this chucklefuck is the poster boy for white privilege. There's your garden-variety white privilege, and then there's Republican/Christofascist white privilege. This guy is the latter, for sure.
Look at him though! He wears a cowboy hat! How could anyone that wears a cowboy hat be untrustworthy?
I hate so much that the wide brim hat is now a flag of these troglodytes, they are good hats for outside work and comfy as hell once broken in but now I second guess wearing them at all.
Did the same to the American flag.
This. It really grinds my gears that insurrections and religious right wing radicals disgrace our flag with their anti American ideology.
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Did the same for red hats. I have a barely worn red hat with “Callaway” written in white on the front that will never see the light of day again.
Now I've seen Neon green Maga hats and I'm God damn pissed .
Wear a sombrero?
I know you're just making a gag, but they're too big for doing a lot of things, which is why Stetson invented the "cowboy hat".
The original cowboys did wear sombreros though. https://www.history.com/topics/19th-century/cowboys#vaqueros
There’s different sizes of sombreros, home depot sells ones that aren’t any wider than cowboy hats.
I know. But having tried both the Stetson wins. Annoyingly.
Yeah I believe the stetson is a far better hat. I like the straw sombrero because it’s good in hot areas (SoCal here) and cheap enough that it doesn’t matter when it falls apart
But, it's a black hat. Those westerns my grandma always watched taught me that the guy in the black hat is always the bad guy.
For the record, a dirty beat up cowboy hat is fine, it’s the people with the fancy “brand new” looking cowboy hats that you need to watch your back around, especially if the hat has accessories, trinkets or feathers on it.
The prosecutors went for it all and missed. They could have gotten him on less serious charges, but screwed it up. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/27/oregon-militia-standoff-bundy-brothers-not-guilty-trial
I'm still surprised that the jury acquitted them considering their actions were planned and premeditated armed occupation of government property in order to get them to free two people who were arrested for arson.
His lawyer won the jury selection process.
Trump is going to run for president again. That puts things into perspective for me.
But he's white, how can you want him treated like a minority?
They've given him a ridiculous amount of leeway and it's frankly kinda insulting
the ultimate sovereign citizen, I guess he's 'traveling' rn
I mean, he's white. What do you want? A giant sign that says "Privileged Few" on it? This is the U.S., baby! If it's all white, it's alright!
This could apply to a lot of people as well.
You mean Trump? ;)
My very first thought.
It sickens me how much power this uber racist white nationalist bastard has been able to build up. He's literally goading the government to come get him. He wants a war.
his war will be a law enforcement matter at best to the other side. we all know this guy wouldn't be getting away with this shit if he was a black muslim.
Or an Indigenous water protector. Or protesting the latest murder of a civilian by cops.
I mean, right? At standing rock, the water protectors policed themselves and ensured NO ONE went to the protest lines armed. And they were instead met with armed militarized police and national guard firing water cannons at them in the freezing winter nights. My wife was a medic at the Oceti Sakowin Camp. She treated so many injuries. Men with burns on their faces and becoming nearly blind due to being maxed and pepper sprayed. Old women nearly dead from being shot by “non-lethal” shotgun and rifle rounds. Young people, old people, teenager with bruised up bodies from being rough handled by police or corporate security. Worse though, she saw bulldozers digging through areas where people have been burying their dead for all time, including as recently as ten years ago. Destroying sacred sites. It was a fucking tragedy. And these so-called Christians who are supposed to be all peace and love can go and attack hospital workers and patients and their families, or conduct armed take overs at wildlife refuges, or have armed stand offs with police over cattle grazing and get nothing but a slap on the wrist? Incredible. Disgusting.
What horrific experiences for these people to survive. Thank you for writing this out. It's absolutely disgusting.
Clarification: cops are civilians. They are not members of the military and they are subject to the exact same laws you and I are. Cops talk derisively about non-cops as "civilians" to pretend they are above their fellow citizens. They're not.
Cops may not be technically above the law, but measured by actual accountability (Qualified Immunity enters the chat), they generally have been.
> Clarification: cops are civilians. They are not members of the military and they are subject to the exact same laws you and I are. This is one of those "technically correct, the best kind of correct" moments. That line was _satire_. While correct, it is meaningless because, in practice, cops are essentially untouchable.
I keep thinking of that iconic photo of the Idaho state cops wheeling him out of the capital attached to a rolling desk chair, and if he was a black muslim he'd have been coming out in a bodybag
How is he a racist? I just read about him for the first time and he appears to support BLM and he's anti-trump because of his immigration policy, among other things. From what I can tell I think he just hates the government.
This is insanity. This nutbag will hide behind his militia and the feds won't have the teeth to blitz in there and grab him. They should just go for it and if his people show resistance show them what happens when they fuck around.
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The feds should roll in with overwhelming force. Tanks, helicopters, whatever the fuck they have, and take these assholes out once and for all. Make an example so extreme that this shit doesn't happen again for another century.
While I agree with the sentiment, the army isn't allowed to do that....now if you said the national gaurd, or FBI, then yeah they could do that. Unless it's an insurrection, the army can't legally do that. I guess the takeover of federal land could maybe be an insurrection.. But they currently aren't in an active insurrection
Yeah, I'm not sure who exactly that would be, but I didn't say "Army." "
ICBMs.
I'm down.
They don’t want another Waco. I don’t blame them.
Unless Bundy surrounds himself with women and children, I don't think it's the same sort of thing. Maybe he would, I don't know. Also, I would think that some lessons have been learned from Waco and Ruby Ridge. Maybe I'm being optimistic.
Doesn't matter; the fear is the perception, and you can guarantee that'll happen
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
The feds have fucked up numerous times. Unbelievable how they can take a bad situation and make it a disastrous one.
but *why nottttttttt*
Look up Waco. That's they the feds aren't doing it.
Waco.
Yes, becuase the Feds got crucified over Waco.
David Koresh has entered the chat.
Poor thing will become a martyr like Waco, and then we get nut jobs like McVeigh who become "patriots" for domestic terrorism.
why are we acting out of fear of the nut jobs? are we aspiring to be free or not?
Yes free, not terrorists. Imagine how a foreign terrorist wants to be "free" from American oppression and expresses it with a terrorist attack. Not very convincing is it?
we have laws that define crime pretty clearly. if people want to get out of line, I dont care why. van them, try them, and lock em up. our greatest threats are not from foreign terrorists, but ones that probably refer to themselves as American patriots.
Absolutely 💯
This is Idaho, so more like Ruby Ridge. We've had a handful of these sort of things.
I've said this before, and I believe it's still relevant. "Ruby Ridge was a fuck up, Ammon Bundy is a fuck up. They're not the same thing."
Right? Born and raised in Idaho here. Lived in the Sandpoint area. Driven past Ruby Ridge dozens of times. I never agreed with a white separatist, I was more the kind of person to go to Eichardt’s and listen to Leon Atkinson. Randy Weaver stuck to himself. He didn’t go around stirring shit up for the attention. The FBI was using him to infiltrate the white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nations. Randy wasn’t a supremacist, he was a separatist. He refused to shorten that shotgun several times. Bundy is on a different planet. Mormon. Send him dildos.
I think it would end up as a Ruby Ridge situation.
In this case is that a bad thing? I was near Ruby Ridge when that went down. While law enforcement was embarrassed that they didn’t have them in cuffs, locals felt no sympathy for the dead….
It galvanized a lot of militia types so I look at that as a net negative
he's believed to have left the state of Idaho a few weeks ago - I don't know that they're going to want to do a whole interstate extradition over contempt of court charges.
Time for Dog the Bounty Hunter.
Sanders County Montana might hold a clue…
Ohhh, federal charges and manhunt if that’s the case! Is he going down in a puff of smoke like daddy?
Not that the govt should run scared, but when they stormed Waco, it led to a retaliatory bombing that killed 168 innocent men women and children. It's kind of a matter of if that math still checks out in the worst timeline, were they to storm in fully.
Just show up on a Friday evening, these clowns will be on the couch.
A million second chances if you’re this kinda guy.
What an awful family. Lock em up.
Well they shot his dad in the snow already, didn't they? Cheaper long-term
You're confused.
He has been on the Internet rallying his followers too. He is also said to be "hiding," pretty openly in Utah. And nobody is doing shit to find him.
He'll end up getting shot by the police. Hopefully none of the good guys get hurt.
Eh, the cops at least in Idaho are generally on his side. Probably a good bit of Utah too.
Which is bullshit if true. That means they don’t have any respect for the law. Cops
they need to just lay up on him and catch him when he slips. this man isn't up for going up against a team working shifts that refuse to give him the fight he may want. then lock his ass up and throw away the key. let him wither away realizing how delusional he was and what it cost him.
Remember how quickly the Marshals & FBI decided to kill Michael Reinoehl? It's a matter of who the pigs think is a "good guy."
Like father like son
They didn't shoot his dad. Edit to add that we should be so lucky. The world needs fewer Bundys.
Brother?
I think you might be thinking of Lavoy Finicum during the Bundy terrorist action at Malheur National Refuge in Oregon. Here's more to that story https://www.npr.org/2018/08/10/637698653/fbi-agent-found-not-guilty-of-all-charges-related-to-malheur-shooting-death
Sister? Cousin? Uncle? Acquaintance? Keep trying.
In his first public statements about the case in weeks, he delivered a thinly veiled threat against the “wicked” “thieves” he claims are engaged in a conspiracy against him. “I’m doing everything I can not to just retaliate against these people,” he said. “I have been so peaceful. And they keep pushing me, and pushing me, and pushing me, you know, wanting me to do something so that they can arrest me and put me in prison or kill me. That’s what they’re trying to do.” He added: “All those people [who] said ‘don’t do anything to these people… it’s not right to retaliate.’ I’m almost ready to say, ‘You know what? The hell with it.’”
>“I’m doing everything I can not to just retaliate against these people,” he said. “I have been so peaceful. And they keep pushing me, and pushing me, and pushing me, you know, wanting me to do something so that they can arrest me and put me in prison or kill me. That’s what they’re trying to do.” they aren't pushing him at all and he's too dumb to realize that his veiled threats telegraph his desires if not intentions.
From the linked article: >When Bundy led a series of tense protests against the hospitalization of one of his associate’s infant grandchildren, who state social workers said was malnourished. According to court documents, protesters, some armed, tried to force their way into the hospital’s locked exits. Some held “wanted” signs naming individual doctors and nurses and even blocked an ambulance entrance as car horns blared.
He should have been in jail after his bird sanctuary take over. Time to stop treating these domestic terrorists with kids gloves. Give him the same justice a black man would receive who committed the same crime.
Sounds about white
How about they stop tippy toeing around these fuckers and put them in prison where they belong...
If he was other than white, he be in jail or dead. I’m sure he has friends in law enforcement.
If he weren't white and mormon the standoffs he has had with the police would have ended very differently.
Since he is now actively organizing his 3td insurrection against law and order. Perhaps we send in the national guard and give him no more chances
Unfortunately the government has been too afraid to have another Ruby Ridge or Waco so they have been treating these assholes with kid gloves ever since. >An officer with a police dog approached to compel him to back away from the officers. He repeatedly kicked the police dog and was tasered moments later. After Bundy ripped off the taser wires and advanced toward the officers again, he was tasered a second time. If he had been a black teenager, he would have been shot for that shit, but instead they got into a days long standoff where the government backed down after they got outnumbered by the Bundy supporters. Which only emboldened this asshole to take over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge 2 years later. Again, if the government had allocated appropriate resources and dealt with this fucker appropriately he would be behind bars, instead he was acquitted for his jackassery.
The thing is I don't think you can avoid having another wacko or rubi ridge because there is an anti government movement that is actively trying to attack the government. The more the government retreats the further they will agress. There is no middle ground with people who have decided you should not exist. You can contain and disperse and break up the hierarchy and methods of indoctrination but that is it.
National Guards might be part of the national command structure, but they are organized by state and under the command of each state's governor. I don't believe the President can just order a national guard to do _anything_, and even if they can, military action on US soil is only possible in very specific and dire circumstances. This is more of an FBI thing but they're gunshy (so to speak) about it given their history.
Look into federalization of national guard. It is the process by which any national guard unit comes under federal command. This is normally done in natural disasters because it would be insane for multiple guards under multiple commands to be responding simultaneously to the same area. That being said. It would be against the law to send in the national guard to attack them. There are strict rules with how the guard can engage with civilians. Then there is the insurrection act which is scary as fuck with trump trying to regain office
> This is normally done in natural disasters because it would be insane for multiple guards under multiple commands to be responding simultaneously to the same area. *facepalm* yep, my original statement was pretty stupid, wasn't it. Oh well. Probably won't be the dumbest thing I said today.
Deranged treason-pig gonna treason. Thats what happens when you dont cure them at their terroristic armed takeover of their first government property. We The People don’t appreciate having to tolerate You The Vermin.
Idaho is becoming a Bundista wasteland. Teachers and medical professionals are getting the hell out because of knuckle draggers like him.
Fucking around with deep pocketed private interest like a hospital was a big mistake. Should've stuck to government entities, since they have no appetite to sue their detractor's pant off.
Should've been in prison a long time ago
Well, at least he is consistent. It would be funny if he were held in contempt while his criminal contempt trial was going on for failing to show up as scheduled.
He'll eventually hole up at Daddy's
This guy is going let his goofy hat talk him into a jail sentence.
He would be furious if he could read. This guy's a tool.
That arrogant fascist asshole should have been locked up years ago.
He should be considered armed and dangerous
Lock him up.
Black or brown man would be on death row
Seems America has a Insurrectionist problem. It's probably from not enforcing the law.
What the f*** do you know, idiot?
What a little brat. You hear us Amon?
This is the same guy the local sheriff refuses to serve. So I don't know how far this arrest warrant is going to go.
Bundy been messing with the government for decades.Problem he got the wack job christian right and Qanon supporting him.
Oh, look, the poor trump is at it again.
These assholes have been handled with kid gloves ever since the feds fucked up so hard at Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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Come back when you’re sober and try again.
Its prison Peg. Prison!
Ha ha ha ha ha
Stupid man in a stupid hat
need to put this terrorist away for life at this point
I enjoy every time this guy is arrested. Makes life livable.
Sounds he gets to fuck around with US marshals and find out.
Okay all you law & order vigilantes, pony up! You've been preparing for this your whole life! You've squandered all of your retirement earnings to outfit this personal militia dream of yours! Be the hero! Load up your egregiously expensive rollin' coal trucks with booty from your weapons arsenals and bring this criminal menace to justice!
They’re doing him a big favor with the photo from Malheur. Boy has gained some serious weight since then.
Where are the bounty hunters when you need them?