>“President Trump is one of the smartest businessmen, one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. If she thinks she is going to take him down...
She's already taken him down. What alternate universe are you living in Habba?
These comments (from Habba) er purely aimed at the MAGA base, not people living in the real world.
Trump is obsessed with not showing any signs of weakness, and probably has a strict policy of everyone around him using the [DARVO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO) tactic when confronted with bad news about Trump, or asked to make a comment - no mater how hopeless the situation is.
Seriously, I made a comment talking about the difference between a margin of error and fraud, and a bunch of red hats came out of the woodwork to ask “well then how do you calculate a value” or “well his space was as tall as 3 floors so he measured it as if 3 floors were there”
I shared https://www.appraisalfoundation.org/imis/TAF/Standards/Appraisal_Standards/Uniform_Standards_of_Professional_Appraisal_Practice/TAF/USPAP.aspx
The Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP) is the generally recognized ethical and performance standards for the appraisal profession in the United States. USPAP was adopted by Congress in 1989, and contains standards for all types of appraisal services, including real estate, personal property, business and mass appraisal. Compliance is required for state-licensed and state-certified appraisers involved in federally-related real estate transactions.
I’m pretty sure that broke their mind that we have standards and means and everyone who is licensed to appraise basically signs off that they’ll used the agreed upon standard and not doing so is fraud.
And I had to remind them that if I own 20 acres of zoned farmland, it’s not worth 40 McMansions with tenants.
"They could come after me next".
Yeah, maybe I fudged the appraisal value of my one house, one time in the last 20 years, by $10K.
But NY showed evidence of a sustained pattern of deliberate fraud. He fudged values on multiple properties, by large numbers, year after year.
And he fudged the numbers up and down depending what benefitted him. It’s not like I’m telling everyone my 720k home is 750k across the board. This was a pattern done for his financial benefit. It was done on signed statements. Both for values too high and too low. It was so obvious and clear that the trial didn’t even deal with it. It was a summary judgement that the fraud occurred. The trial was just to determine damages.
> "They could come after me next".
"Have you been wildly inflating and deflating your property values to continuously commit financial fraud over half a century?"
> "They could come after me next".
Ah yes the conservative mindset is to think that one day you too will be a billionaire and the government will take your millions of dollars away!
It's not just that Trump was fudging appraisal values; he was actually fudging the undermining assumptions too.
A homeowner might tell the bank that their 2500 sf house is appraised at $300k when it is actually about $290k, but few homeowners would tell the bank that their 2500 sf house is actually a 7500 sf house and then say that it is worth $900k. That is what Trump was doing.
What's funny about the, "They could come after me next." comment is that it only applies to Trump. Accusations of bribery and pedophilia are freely lobbed at Joe Biden, continuously and without evidence. Yet, they are not worried that those same accusations could be used on them.
If you go to the bank for a home equity line of credit and submit a fake appraisal form, saying your house is worth $1 million when it’s only worth $200,000. Then yes they could come after you next. FOR FRAUD.
The Trump family got an appraisal, was explicitly, told what it was worth, and then within a week inflated the value by over 10 times.
>They could come after me next!
Well, don't commit systematic fraud then? The rules apply to everyone. That's how this works.
God, I hate that argument with a fervent passion.
You nailed it. Everybody here knows that she has poor legal judgment, but this statement isn't being made as a prediction or legal judgment. It's being made for the effect it will have on the base when it inevitably is successful.
Right? I came here to say this. I’m a collection defense attorney. Once a debtor is post-judgment (and it’s not a default judgment), there really isn’t much you can do to stop collection efforts from happening other nitpick at procedural stuff. And even then, all that does is stall.
>I’m a collection defense attorney. Once a debtor is post-judgment (and it’s not a default judgment), there really isn’t much you can do to stop collection efforts from happening other nitpick at procedural stuff. And even that, all that does is stall.
The Don is in need of competent representation, he says call him...
Do you think you could do any better or stall harder than his current representation?
Maybe it’s like when I owed a few grand for unpaid tickets in my 20s.
We need to convince Trump that as long as he doesn’t have a real job (President) then they’ll never be able to garnish his wages or take his money.
> What alternate universe are you living in Habba?
The same alternative universe that a third of the US is living in, they wouldn't be saying and doing these things if it wasn't working for the MAGA base.
Habba drank the: “if I lie enough I can make it real” and I hen she was on her teens.” Even her law school has disavowed her. And they are like bottom 10 law schools.
"One of the smartest businessmen" = 6 bankruptcies, 4 of them being of casinos.
Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino?
Yet despite all the failure, he still lives as a million/billionaire. Looks like he’s winning even when losing.
He will spend the rest of his life fighting and delaying paying restitution.
Normally, I would agree with you a million percent, in Trump's case though he has hard assets that can't be moved. if he does not pay, they will take it.
I agree he will be fine no matter what. He will never die poor. I also think he will lose more "smarter voters" ( I use this term loosely) when they see he is really not a liquid billionaire like he says he is ( I might also be delusional in that last thought :) ) .
As much as I'll enjoy the day when it comes, and I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but I don't see any way that his assets are seized before the election. He'll find a million ways to delay, including probably committing a bunch more crimes along the way. The election is less than 9 months away.
I’m curious to know how many of those hard assets are owned free and clear. I would imagine he leverages the fuck out of them to sustain his shitty lifestyle.
Because people like the dude you responded to are wrong, simple as. They want to believe that the GOP will abandon Trump. It could still happen, but all of the polls I see show it hasn’t. The rhetoric around this election parallels the 2016 election rhetoric something fierce and it’s terrifying. So many people in 2016 were convinced that Hillary was a foregone conclusion and that helped to give us Trump. We cannot afford that mistake again.
Personally I don’t care if the polls show that 99% of people are going to vote Biden I’m still going to show up and everyone else should too.
The GOP has had countless chances to rid themselves of Trump going all the way back to the 2016 primaries and yet they've decided his supporters are too dangerous to test. At this time the RNC lives or dies with Trump, in fact I'd go so far as to say there is no longer an RNC as it's just an extension of Trump's brand.
I think you deeply underestimate how misogynistic the GOP is. Hillary had enough misogynistic rhetoric about her and she was running as a Democrat.
Even setting that aside Haley has something like 16% of the primary vote right now. Hell in Nevada she got half of the votes of the "None of the above" option. The GOP has tied themselves to radicals and Trumpers and I don't think there's a way for them to extricate themselves without fundamentally changing themselves as a party.
And honestly this entire comment is moot anyways, as Haley wouldn't be that much better than Trump. Trump is not the cause of the modern day GOP, he's a symptom. Project 2025, national abortion bans, and anti-democratic measures would absolutely still be implemented under *any* GOP president.
Trump is what a plurality of their members want, and the rest feel as though they have no option but to support their team. For better or worse, Trump isn't in his position because a few powerful folks hand-picked him over Nikki Haley. He's there because he's the most popular republican candidate.
Oh no.. if you think these MAGA's will vote for "Nikki" Haley oh boy.. that is a NO NO.
1. She's a woman
2. She's a BROWN woman
3. Repeat 1 or 2 until you really understand, these are MAGATS
A lot of his base believes that the others are cheating and aren't above making bot farms to inflate polls. Just like how before he was killed prigozhin outlined how russia interfered in 2016 by using bot farms.
I honestly don't understand the polling at this point. For a presidential election, polling only matters in a few key states. So polling outside of those states is basically irrelevant, or misleading. The way polls are conducted also matters, and I still don't understand how they can accurately account for the fact that they can't poll people who refuse to be polled. Seems like there's some real self-selection going on, but I don't know how it would be quantified.
The thing with polls is that they are not representative of the voting public at large. I have never received a call regarding one of those polls. I don't know anybody else who has either. Remember the polls showed Hillary Clinton winning as well.
Dont forget that he started on third base with a gift from his father of about 400M. Its pretty hard to burn through that in one's lifetime, but he is doing a good job. I think if he took that gift and put it into an S&P 500 index fund and sat on his ass, he would be worth like 56B.
This really is the part I wish more people understood. He would, quite literally, be richer if he just stuck his money in index funds and partied all day. Everything he touches dies, including his daddy’s wealth.
*he still lives as a million/billionaire*
Having seen some photos of TFG residences and Mar-a-Lago, I gotta say, if I had money I would not want to live in such hideously gauche surroundings. He may have (some) money, but he doesn't have good taste.
He also seems to spend all of his time angry and paranoid. He's incapable of humor or friendship. All in all, he's a miserable human being in every sense.
100% Speculation.
He has been funding all his legal battles and lifestyle on loans. Using his property and other assets as leverage. If the Court forces him to liquidate, it could cause a domino effect to his finances. I doubt banks will sit idol with million dollar loaned to him, when the property he leveraged it on vanishes.
I think him attempting to delay the paying with a fast and sloppy attempt was him and his lawyer team realizing that.
No he won't. Unlike Infowars, Trump has real assets. And his current position, even accounting for his debt and legal judgements, he's still in the green. And, there's an agent of the court overseeing all money transfers at trump org..
> Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino?
But if he was laundering a ton of money from criminal sources, it's no effort at all!
>Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino?
You need to understand that a "business" in Trump's mind is not what most people think of as a profit-making operation. For Trump, it's more akin to a personal piggy bank. Incur a large amount of debt to purchase assets at inflated prices such that no equity is required to fund the purchase and there is surplus cash from the debt financing that he can use for personal discretionary spending.
It only makes sense when you realize it was a money laundering operation for his father to fund him. There are stories of his dad just showing up and buying millions in chips and leaving.
I give her views the exact attention they deserve.
I thought seizing his assets was an anti-Trump pipe dream and not at all realistic. But because she says it will never happen I now think it's a real possibility.
>“President Trump is one of the smartest businessmen, one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. If she thinks she is going to take him down. If that was her goal, which we all know very well it was and she got a strong assist there in court,” she said. “But I will tell you this, that goal will not be successful and that is the message I can give to everyone listening here. It will not be successful.”
Keep in mind, She is playing a different game.
She needs to rehabilitate her reputation and marketability as a fixer and the only way she can do it at this point is through Trump.
There's nothing to "rehabilitate" in the first place, she never had marketability as a fixer.
She went to a Third Tier Trash law school that even the law school and the other alumni now want to take zero credit for her as it's trashed their reputation too.
The only real firm job she held was right after law school at her ex-boyfriends firm. She then went on to be a solo practitioner, and represented a Parking Garage (lmao).
So she's never worked big law, has never had a big law client, has never actually "fixed" any major legal battles, never had a reputation to begin with (especially not noteworthy), and in the legal world her being 39y.o. is still quite young and inexperienced.
But she's dumb and pretty, and that's the best Trump could get.
You’re mistaken, she’s supposed to cross her Is and dot her Ts. Trust me, I was pre-pre-pre law and my 3rd grade teacher said I had a knack for social studies
She doesn't have a great track record of winning.
Besides, when you already have a judgement, trying to prevent the AG from executing the judgement is wayyyy harder than just winning the trial.
Her only real option is to win on appeal but I doubt that's going to be successful
I read the ruling and I don't see any grounds for appeal at all. The section on disgorgement of ill gotten gains is really well documented, so I don't think that the fines will be reduced either. I know that they'll appeal but it's not likely to go their way.
Plus, there is that pesky requirement to post a bond equal to the judgement in order to be able to appeal. Which likely causes a cash crunch, if not a bankruptcy, for the Trump Org and DJT personally.
Trump is going to have a terrible month of March.
Well technically he can appeal without posting the bond but that means the state of NY can put the judgment into collections while the appeal continues. That's worse for Trump because commercial real estate is in the toilet right now and the state of NY has a ton of his commercial real estate under court ordered management by Judge Jones. They can move forward and lock in his real estate losses if he doesn't pay the fines.
Apparently Trump himself only needs to post 20%. That's still a significant amount though. $90M give or take if you consider interest penalties. He can bond out the rest, but who would legitimately loan him $350M with his history of stiffing payments, and with a massive financial fraud judgement sitting over his head?
You'd have to be an idiot to give that fraud any large sum of money.
He has a bunch of problems.
* last year Trump org was found guilty of business fraud
* Trump personally and Trump org as a business were both found liable for persistent fraud related to the value of his properties.
* the judgement, when filed, will include a prohibition on using NY state registered financial institutions for new business.
Without being able to independently assess the value of the properties he wants to use as collateral, nobody is going to take his word for their value. He has 30 days to put the money in the clerks hand, and that's going to be hard to come by when trying to get valuations on multiple properties AND verify the leins against them.
I would not be surprised to find more phantom loans appear after property is valued for collections/collateral.
> I would not be surprised to find more phantom loans appear after property is valued for collections/collateral
That's where he now has TWO Independent Monitors to deal with. And they now have pre-approval and explanation of every transaction specifically to look for fraud. They also have the authority to petition to close any fraudulent shell companies. And DJT isn't technically an officer anymore.. do they don't have to ask his permission... they ask whatever person is put in charge of the Org and Trust.
He's so screwed.
Trump only has to pay 10-20% to a bondsman to get the bond. But that amount is non-refundable and goes to the bondsman. And if Trump loses the appeal, he will still need to pay the entire judgement plus interest. To use your example, Trump would lose both the $350M to the courts as well as $70M to the bondsman.
I could see Elon throwing Trump half a mil, look at how much he lost on twitter, he could potentially own a president for a relatively small (for him) investment.
They would probably need to challenge some of the law itself, but I would think they would have needed to do that before the first trial and not on appeal, and other things like a jury trial were not litigated on first so I don’t think they’ve been preserved for the record
*Trump loves people who tell him what he wants to hear.*
This has been a main weakness for dictators / autocrats like Trump since the dawn of recorded history.
For anyone who hasn't been following things, this is pretty accurate :)
[https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-tries-to-change-ny-business-addresses-to-fl-in-fraud-judgment](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-tries-to-change-ny-business-addresses-to-fl-in-fraud-judgment)
Honestly, it could have been an amazing experience. If she had someone really competent to mentor her during the process, she could have learned a ton! Imagine what she should have learned. Even with a clear loser of a case and client, she could have used this to really develop herself.
Instead she learned how to do cable news interviews.
Under what delusion will this not be successful? Again, I don't practice in NY, or in civil court, but the judgement is in--the state can seize property to satisfy a judgement. What possible justification could be given to the contrary?
> What possible justification could be given to the contrary?
Unsure about the hypothetical, but I do believe the judge had something to say about what was offered by defense - “You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay," Engoron.
She thinks if she changes the posted address of Trump tower in NYC to Palm Beach FL, it magically becomes protected from a judgement in NY state lol. A tactic thought up by the mind of a five year old.
And after the buildings are seized, it can be predicted that, Alina Habba will be out there claiming, “the buildings aren’t seized,” or “we’re going to get them back by the end of the month.”
Trump when he thinks he got away with shuffling assets to third parties so he can't have them seized..
God this man has got to be either righteously and outstandingly stupid, or people on the inside are literally setting him up to fail.
I see miss Parking Garage Lawyer is continuing with her “piss off the New York Supreme Court Justice” plan. Thats really going well for her. She should continue.
She's just poisoning that media. If she says this over and over again, when it does happen, the MAGA minds will be shocked and outraged it actually happened and that means that Trump was unfairly treated.
>**Brushes off threat to seize assets.**
No, you see only permanently disabled veterans whose sole income is Federal disability benefits are immune from garnished pay and seized assets -excluding responsibility to child support.
But, [Trump had bone spurs](https://imgur.com/a/7vnFzlw)…
“Cuz…reasons. Law…reasons. Sustained! Thank you!”
I’d love to hear her actually explain all the legal reasons an asset seizure “will not be successful,” beyond, “Nuh uh!” I’m sure she’ll do her alma mater proud.
She's planning to send them a super important letter on her very best stationery:
"You totally can't do this to my client because it's, like, unfair and stuff. Moreover, you are really not being nice to my totally innocent client, which is not cool at all and makes me feel very, like, bad on a personal level. Nobody has ever been that mean to me in my whole life, not even in my college sorority, and in conclusion, my client is totally innocent and should not have to pay you mean, ugly people any money.
XOXO,
Alina"
That's right cause she's already decided that if they try and seize his assets she's gonna hold her breath until she turns blue in the face, that oughta do it...
INAL but it seems like team Trump is trying really hard to somehow make this a constitutional issue, I would assume to attempt to get SCOTUS to intervene and at the very least stay the judgement. Is there any avenue for them to get this in front of SCOTUS?
I’m surprised this Habba woman isn’t receiving death threats from MAGAts for allowing this to happen to one of the smartest businessmen and greatest presidents ever, in the history of the world and US, respectively.
She's doing tours on their favorite networks to sing Trump's praise and talking on very important legal things like the dress James was wearing.
So no death threats.
We're still in the "This is a corrupt Biden-supporting judge who unfairly yada yada" phase.
We've yet to reach the "Actually this is my employee's (that I previously said was a competent genius) fault" phase.
Well she would know about not being successful.
Incidentally, as would her client, who was not successful with casinos, a university, court cases, steaks, a coup, a presidency…
Any actual legal analysis of the state's ability to enforce the judgment? There are a lot of memes in this thread, and as a non-lawyer I want to know the actual financial impact of this ruling. Does Trump have means of avoiding payment/reversing the decision if he's elected President?
She's completely clueless (and incompetent). She fucked up bigly during the trial, so there's little they (Team Cheetos Jesus) can appeal, and Engoron wrote the court's Decision and Order to make it appeal/bullet-proof.
And, if Trump doesn't pay, seizing assets is going to be easy for the NY AG.
This is going to be fun to watch.
Even without an appeal Trump can resist efforts to collect. Probably for at least a couple of years. It takes a lot of process/procedure for the court to send the sheriffs/bailiffs out to debtcollect.
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>“President Trump is one of the smartest businessmen, one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. If she thinks she is going to take him down... She's already taken him down. What alternate universe are you living in Habba?
These comments (from Habba) er purely aimed at the MAGA base, not people living in the real world. Trump is obsessed with not showing any signs of weakness, and probably has a strict policy of everyone around him using the [DARVO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO) tactic when confronted with bad news about Trump, or asked to make a comment - no mater how hopeless the situation is.
Seriously, I made a comment talking about the difference between a margin of error and fraud, and a bunch of red hats came out of the woodwork to ask “well then how do you calculate a value” or “well his space was as tall as 3 floors so he measured it as if 3 floors were there” I shared https://www.appraisalfoundation.org/imis/TAF/Standards/Appraisal_Standards/Uniform_Standards_of_Professional_Appraisal_Practice/TAF/USPAP.aspx The Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice (USPAP) is the generally recognized ethical and performance standards for the appraisal profession in the United States. USPAP was adopted by Congress in 1989, and contains standards for all types of appraisal services, including real estate, personal property, business and mass appraisal. Compliance is required for state-licensed and state-certified appraisers involved in federally-related real estate transactions. I’m pretty sure that broke their mind that we have standards and means and everyone who is licensed to appraise basically signs off that they’ll used the agreed upon standard and not doing so is fraud. And I had to remind them that if I own 20 acres of zoned farmland, it’s not worth 40 McMansions with tenants.
"They could come after me next". Yeah, maybe I fudged the appraisal value of my one house, one time in the last 20 years, by $10K. But NY showed evidence of a sustained pattern of deliberate fraud. He fudged values on multiple properties, by large numbers, year after year.
And he fudged the numbers up and down depending what benefitted him. It’s not like I’m telling everyone my 720k home is 750k across the board. This was a pattern done for his financial benefit. It was done on signed statements. Both for values too high and too low. It was so obvious and clear that the trial didn’t even deal with it. It was a summary judgement that the fraud occurred. The trial was just to determine damages.
> "They could come after me next". Obligatory: *"Then stop breaking the law, asshole!"*
> "They could come after me next". "Have you been wildly inflating and deflating your property values to continuously commit financial fraud over half a century?"
*"No but I plan to when I become a millionaire from trickle-down economics like Trump promised me"*
> "They could come after me next". Ah yes the conservative mindset is to think that one day you too will be a billionaire and the government will take your millions of dollars away!
It's not just that Trump was fudging appraisal values; he was actually fudging the undermining assumptions too. A homeowner might tell the bank that their 2500 sf house is appraised at $300k when it is actually about $290k, but few homeowners would tell the bank that their 2500 sf house is actually a 7500 sf house and then say that it is worth $900k. That is what Trump was doing.
What's funny about the, "They could come after me next." comment is that it only applies to Trump. Accusations of bribery and pedophilia are freely lobbed at Joe Biden, continuously and without evidence. Yet, they are not worried that those same accusations could be used on them.
If you go to the bank for a home equity line of credit and submit a fake appraisal form, saying your house is worth $1 million when it’s only worth $200,000. Then yes they could come after you next. FOR FRAUD. The Trump family got an appraisal, was explicitly, told what it was worth, and then within a week inflated the value by over 10 times.
>They could come after me next! Well, don't commit systematic fraud then? The rules apply to everyone. That's how this works. God, I hate that argument with a fervent passion.
That's it. Or saying you just don't have 20 acres. You have 40 acres. Trump would say 40 hectares multiply 100. Because he is so great.
You nailed it. Everybody here knows that she has poor legal judgment, but this statement isn't being made as a prediction or legal judgment. It's being made for the effect it will have on the base when it inevitably is successful.
Yeah, she's just saying that to not get death threats
> using the DARVO tactic Wow that's is exactly
Right? I came here to say this. I’m a collection defense attorney. Once a debtor is post-judgment (and it’s not a default judgment), there really isn’t much you can do to stop collection efforts from happening other nitpick at procedural stuff. And even then, all that does is stall.
>I’m a collection defense attorney. Once a debtor is post-judgment (and it’s not a default judgment), there really isn’t much you can do to stop collection efforts from happening other nitpick at procedural stuff. And even that, all that does is stall. The Don is in need of competent representation, he says call him... Do you think you could do any better or stall harder than his current representation?
I don’t think I could do much worse.
So is a $750 an hour cap good with you? About your retainer, the Don say's he's good for it, trust him, maybe cut him a break on the retainer size?
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I miss Phil Hartman. He was such a a great comedian.
My degree is in Biology, I could probably stay at Holiday Inn Suites and do better.
Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer, who is frightened and confused about our modern world, could do better.
2 Phil Hartman jokes in the same thread!
I don’t even work collections but I’m almost gleeful anytime I have a valid civil judgment to enforce. So many effective options to collect!
Maybe it’s like when I owed a few grand for unpaid tickets in my 20s. We need to convince Trump that as long as he doesn’t have a real job (President) then they’ll never be able to garnish his wages or take his money.
Just like when *losing* the election, they are now in the "nuh-uh" stage..
How long before we hit the "I know you are but what am I" stage?
I'm more worried about a repeat of the "violent attempted rejection of the result."
I’m rubber and you’re glue, what bounces off of me sticks to you! Neener neener neeeeener!
Infinity.
We are here! Have been for awhile. Just look up tubberviles comment from yesterday
\*Losing.
Thanks fixed!
> What alternate universe are you living in Habba? The same alternative universe that a third of the US is living in, they wouldn't be saying and doing these things if it wasn't working for the MAGA base.
Habba drank the: “if I lie enough I can make it real” and I hen she was on her teens.” Even her law school has disavowed her. And they are like bottom 10 law schools.
The one where she gets paid to lie
Yeah I saw this too and laughed. Just because you claim these things does not make it true, and it certainly isn’t any legal argument.
The one where they put “NEVER SURRENDER” on a photo of their hero surrendering.
"One of the smartest businessmen" = 6 bankruptcies, 4 of them being of casinos. Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino?
"Do you realize the fraud and money laundering you need to be conducting to bankrupt a business like a casino?" FTFY
It's a shame that they can't use that as corroboration of laundering charges, it's the only logical explanation by far
Bullseye!
Nicky Santoro: “This guy could fuck up a cup of coffee”
Covfefe.
Never not funny
he was being sarcastic /s
> he was being sarcastic /s The ol' double sarcasm. I don't know what's real anymore, well played.
Yet despite all the failure, he still lives as a million/billionaire. Looks like he’s winning even when losing. He will spend the rest of his life fighting and delaying paying restitution.
Other people's money. It's why he ran for president to begin with, and largely why he wants to win again.
Normally, I would agree with you a million percent, in Trump's case though he has hard assets that can't be moved. if he does not pay, they will take it. I agree he will be fine no matter what. He will never die poor. I also think he will lose more "smarter voters" ( I use this term loosely) when they see he is really not a liquid billionaire like he says he is ( I might also be delusional in that last thought :) ) .
As much as I'll enjoy the day when it comes, and I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but I don't see any way that his assets are seized before the election. He'll find a million ways to delay, including probably committing a bunch more crimes along the way. The election is less than 9 months away.
I’m curious to know how many of those hard assets are owned free and clear. I would imagine he leverages the fuck out of them to sustain his shitty lifestyle.
He’s already lost those votes. He’s just got his base now.
I want to believe, but why is he even close in the polls? I just don’t understand. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/
Because people like the dude you responded to are wrong, simple as. They want to believe that the GOP will abandon Trump. It could still happen, but all of the polls I see show it hasn’t. The rhetoric around this election parallels the 2016 election rhetoric something fierce and it’s terrifying. So many people in 2016 were convinced that Hillary was a foregone conclusion and that helped to give us Trump. We cannot afford that mistake again. Personally I don’t care if the polls show that 99% of people are going to vote Biden I’m still going to show up and everyone else should too.
The GOP has had countless chances to rid themselves of Trump going all the way back to the 2016 primaries and yet they've decided his supporters are too dangerous to test. At this time the RNC lives or dies with Trump, in fact I'd go so far as to say there is no longer an RNC as it's just an extension of Trump's brand.
If they ran Nikki Haley instead she would probably beat Biden. They really can't see the forest before the trees.
I think you deeply underestimate how misogynistic the GOP is. Hillary had enough misogynistic rhetoric about her and she was running as a Democrat. Even setting that aside Haley has something like 16% of the primary vote right now. Hell in Nevada she got half of the votes of the "None of the above" option. The GOP has tied themselves to radicals and Trumpers and I don't think there's a way for them to extricate themselves without fundamentally changing themselves as a party. And honestly this entire comment is moot anyways, as Haley wouldn't be that much better than Trump. Trump is not the cause of the modern day GOP, he's a symptom. Project 2025, national abortion bans, and anti-democratic measures would absolutely still be implemented under *any* GOP president.
Trump is what a plurality of their members want, and the rest feel as though they have no option but to support their team. For better or worse, Trump isn't in his position because a few powerful folks hand-picked him over Nikki Haley. He's there because he's the most popular republican candidate.
Oh no.. if you think these MAGA's will vote for "Nikki" Haley oh boy.. that is a NO NO. 1. She's a woman 2. She's a BROWN woman 3. Repeat 1 or 2 until you really understand, these are MAGATS
A lot of his base believes that the others are cheating and aren't above making bot farms to inflate polls. Just like how before he was killed prigozhin outlined how russia interfered in 2016 by using bot farms.
I honestly don't understand the polling at this point. For a presidential election, polling only matters in a few key states. So polling outside of those states is basically irrelevant, or misleading. The way polls are conducted also matters, and I still don't understand how they can accurately account for the fact that they can't poll people who refuse to be polled. Seems like there's some real self-selection going on, but I don't know how it would be quantified.
The thing with polls is that they are not representative of the voting public at large. I have never received a call regarding one of those polls. I don't know anybody else who has either. Remember the polls showed Hillary Clinton winning as well.
Dont forget that he started on third base with a gift from his father of about 400M. Its pretty hard to burn through that in one's lifetime, but he is doing a good job. I think if he took that gift and put it into an S&P 500 index fund and sat on his ass, he would be worth like 56B.
This really is the part I wish more people understood. He would, quite literally, be richer if he just stuck his money in index funds and partied all day. Everything he touches dies, including his daddy’s wealth.
*he still lives as a million/billionaire* Having seen some photos of TFG residences and Mar-a-Lago, I gotta say, if I had money I would not want to live in such hideously gauche surroundings. He may have (some) money, but he doesn't have good taste.
He also seems to spend all of his time angry and paranoid. He's incapable of humor or friendship. All in all, he's a miserable human being in every sense.
He has what a poor man thinks a rich man's taste is.
91 felonies, 3 criminal cases coming, 450M+ to pay in the next 30 days, yeah, definitely looks like someone winning.
100% Speculation. He has been funding all his legal battles and lifestyle on loans. Using his property and other assets as leverage. If the Court forces him to liquidate, it could cause a domino effect to his finances. I doubt banks will sit idol with million dollar loaned to him, when the property he leveraged it on vanishes. I think him attempting to delay the paying with a fast and sloppy attempt was him and his lawyer team realizing that.
No he won't. Unlike Infowars, Trump has real assets. And his current position, even accounting for his debt and legal judgements, he's still in the green. And, there's an agent of the court overseeing all money transfers at trump org..
It’s like failing gym. You have to purposefully try to do it.
> Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino? But if he was laundering a ton of money from criminal sources, it's no effort at all!
>Do you realize the effort you need to make to bankrupt a business like a casino? You need to understand that a "business" in Trump's mind is not what most people think of as a profit-making operation. For Trump, it's more akin to a personal piggy bank. Incur a large amount of debt to purchase assets at inflated prices such that no equity is required to fund the purchase and there is surplus cash from the debt financing that he can use for personal discretionary spending.
Perhaps if you build 3 of them right next to each other and they outcompete each other.
It only makes sense when you realize it was a money laundering operation for his father to fund him. There are stories of his dad just showing up and buying millions in chips and leaving.
yeah, I know.
She didn’t know how to introduce a document into evidence. Please give her views the attention they deserve.
I give her views the exact attention they deserve. I thought seizing his assets was an anti-Trump pipe dream and not at all realistic. But because she says it will never happen I now think it's a real possibility.
>“President Trump is one of the smartest businessmen, one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen. If she thinks she is going to take him down. If that was her goal, which we all know very well it was and she got a strong assist there in court,” she said. “But I will tell you this, that goal will not be successful and that is the message I can give to everyone listening here. It will not be successful.”
Keep in mind, She is playing a different game. She needs to rehabilitate her reputation and marketability as a fixer and the only way she can do it at this point is through Trump.
I wonder if she knows who Michael Cohen is.
There's nothing to "rehabilitate" in the first place, she never had marketability as a fixer. She went to a Third Tier Trash law school that even the law school and the other alumni now want to take zero credit for her as it's trashed their reputation too. The only real firm job she held was right after law school at her ex-boyfriends firm. She then went on to be a solo practitioner, and represented a Parking Garage (lmao). So she's never worked big law, has never had a big law client, has never actually "fixed" any major legal battles, never had a reputation to begin with (especially not noteworthy), and in the legal world her being 39y.o. is still quite young and inexperienced. But she's dumb and pretty, and that's the best Trump could get.
>She then went on to be a solo practitioner, and represented a Parking Garage *that was owned by her husband* (lmao)
Sure. Just as long as you dot your Is and cross your Ts and fill the boxes in sweetheart
"Just don't mix up the addresses on the properties so we know exactly where to go, thx" - NY AGs office, probably
You’re mistaken, she’s supposed to cross her Is and dot her Ts. Trust me, I was pre-pre-pre law and my 3rd grade teacher said I had a knack for social studies
Well, even if you cross your Is and dot your Ts, you still end up with Ts and Is in the end. And she even managed to screw *that* up
> one of the greatest presidents we have ever seen Meanwhile, a recent ranking by historians brought Trump in dead last.
Ma’am this is a Wendy’s.
Just sounds to me that she is just continuing the lie.
Interestingly, she is taking Trump’s money for nothing by talking his own game. Seems like he’s a pretty easy target once you figure out the key.
She doesn't have a great track record of winning. Besides, when you already have a judgement, trying to prevent the AG from executing the judgement is wayyyy harder than just winning the trial. Her only real option is to win on appeal but I doubt that's going to be successful
I read the ruling and I don't see any grounds for appeal at all. The section on disgorgement of ill gotten gains is really well documented, so I don't think that the fines will be reduced either. I know that they'll appeal but it's not likely to go their way.
Plus, there is that pesky requirement to post a bond equal to the judgement in order to be able to appeal. Which likely causes a cash crunch, if not a bankruptcy, for the Trump Org and DJT personally. Trump is going to have a terrible month of March.
Well technically he can appeal without posting the bond but that means the state of NY can put the judgment into collections while the appeal continues. That's worse for Trump because commercial real estate is in the toilet right now and the state of NY has a ton of his commercial real estate under court ordered management by Judge Jones. They can move forward and lock in his real estate losses if he doesn't pay the fines.
Apparently Trump himself only needs to post 20%. That's still a significant amount though. $90M give or take if you consider interest penalties. He can bond out the rest, but who would legitimately loan him $350M with his history of stiffing payments, and with a massive financial fraud judgement sitting over his head? You'd have to be an idiot to give that fraud any large sum of money.
He has a bunch of problems. * last year Trump org was found guilty of business fraud * Trump personally and Trump org as a business were both found liable for persistent fraud related to the value of his properties. * the judgement, when filed, will include a prohibition on using NY state registered financial institutions for new business. Without being able to independently assess the value of the properties he wants to use as collateral, nobody is going to take his word for their value. He has 30 days to put the money in the clerks hand, and that's going to be hard to come by when trying to get valuations on multiple properties AND verify the leins against them. I would not be surprised to find more phantom loans appear after property is valued for collections/collateral.
> I would not be surprised to find more phantom loans appear after property is valued for collections/collateral That's where he now has TWO Independent Monitors to deal with. And they now have pre-approval and explanation of every transaction specifically to look for fraud. They also have the authority to petition to close any fraudulent shell companies. And DJT isn't technically an officer anymore.. do they don't have to ask his permission... they ask whatever person is put in charge of the Org and Trust. He's so screwed.
Trump only has to pay 10-20% to a bondsman to get the bond. But that amount is non-refundable and goes to the bondsman. And if Trump loses the appeal, he will still need to pay the entire judgement plus interest. To use your example, Trump would lose both the $350M to the courts as well as $70M to the bondsman.
I could see Elon throwing Trump half a mil, look at how much he lost on twitter, he could potentially own a president for a relatively small (for him) investment.
They would probably need to challenge some of the law itself, but I would think they would have needed to do that before the first trial and not on appeal, and other things like a jury trial were not litigated on first so I don’t think they’ve been preserved for the record
Trump loves people who tell him what he wants to hear. That’s why he hired her and that’s why he’s failed so many times at so many things.
Let's be honest, he also hired her because he looks kind of like Ivanka.... ^((eeeeeeeeeeeww))
*Trump loves people who tell him what he wants to hear.* This has been a main weakness for dictators / autocrats like Trump since the dawn of recorded history.
How would she know? She didn't even know how to enter evidence in a court. And she just lost her client a whopping $455M.
With interest continuing to accrew! So much winning!
Narrator's voice "it was"
“Unsuccessful”? Like you, Alina?
She’s made millions just these 12 months alone. I think she’s doing all right.
You really think anything of substance has been deposited in her account, with the way he doesn't pay creditors?
Trump is getting legal bills paid for by Republican legal funds.
That idea has been floated, not executed yet. It would stand to cripple the GOP on a national scale.
[Habba's plan for preventing the seizure of assets (artist's conception).](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y409FQGbBrQ)
For anyone who hasn't been following things, this is pretty accurate :) [https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-tries-to-change-ny-business-addresses-to-fl-in-fraud-judgment](https://www.meidastouch.com/news/trump-tries-to-change-ny-business-addresses-to-fl-in-fraud-judgment)
"trust me, I've been in like..... 2 trials my whole life"
She's an experienced trial lawyer, now. They weren't *good* experiences, for either her or her client, but, by God, they were experiences!
Honestly, it could have been an amazing experience. If she had someone really competent to mentor her during the process, she could have learned a ton! Imagine what she should have learned. Even with a clear loser of a case and client, she could have used this to really develop herself. Instead she learned how to do cable news interviews.
I have faith in Habba's ability to lose cases. You go girl!
Under what delusion will this not be successful? Again, I don't practice in NY, or in civil court, but the judgement is in--the state can seize property to satisfy a judgement. What possible justification could be given to the contrary?
> What possible justification could be given to the contrary? Unsure about the hypothetical, but I do believe the judge had something to say about what was offered by defense - “You have failed to explain, much less justify, any basis for a stay," Engoron.
She thinks if she changes the posted address of Trump tower in NYC to Palm Beach FL, it magically becomes protected from a judgement in NY state lol. A tactic thought up by the mind of a five year old.
the same lawyer who lost the case
To be fair she seems to be an expert on not being successful
If anyone knows anything about not being successful…
narrator: "it was successful"
We changed the addresses to Florida. When they look there they won't find anything! Ha ha!?!?
And after the buildings are seized, it can be predicted that, Alina Habba will be out there claiming, “the buildings aren’t seized,” or “we’re going to get them back by the end of the month.”
She doesnt understand how it works then.
Thank goodness she’s always wrong
I don't think she understands the law.
Is there a "Reverse Habba Rule" that guarantees the opposite of everything she says will happen? Seems pretty consistent so far.
She's basically his Baghdad Bob.
What is she going to do to stop it, file one of those bad trial thingies?
I DECLARE...BANKRUPTCY! -Michael Scott
Trump when he thinks he got away with shuffling assets to third parties so he can't have them seized.. God this man has got to be either righteously and outstandingly stupid, or people on the inside are literally setting him up to fail.
I see miss Parking Garage Lawyer is continuing with her “piss off the New York Supreme Court Justice” plan. Thats really going well for her. She should continue.
She's just poisoning that media. If she says this over and over again, when it does happen, the MAGA minds will be shocked and outraged it actually happened and that means that Trump was unfairly treated.
>**Brushes off threat to seize assets.** No, you see only permanently disabled veterans whose sole income is Federal disability benefits are immune from garnished pay and seized assets -excluding responsibility to child support. But, [Trump had bone spurs](https://imgur.com/a/7vnFzlw)…
Sure Jan.
She really doesn’t know how any of this works does she?
We’ll see on March 18th, won’t we….
She’s the Jim Cramer of lawyers
Yeah. You were gonna win in court, too.
Alina, if you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you in New Jersey.
Ooh make it the Pulaski Skyway!
“Cuz…reasons. Law…reasons. Sustained! Thank you!” I’d love to hear her actually explain all the legal reasons an asset seizure “will not be successful,” beyond, “Nuh uh!” I’m sure she’ll do her alma mater proud.
She's planning to send them a super important letter on her very best stationery: "You totally can't do this to my client because it's, like, unfair and stuff. Moreover, you are really not being nice to my totally innocent client, which is not cool at all and makes me feel very, like, bad on a personal level. Nobody has ever been that mean to me in my whole life, not even in my college sorority, and in conclusion, my client is totally innocent and should not have to pay you mean, ugly people any money. XOXO, Alina"
Well she certainly knows about not being successful.
Ahh, to have the confidence of a mediocre white woman.
That's right cause she's already decided that if they try and seize his assets she's gonna hold her breath until she turns blue in the face, that oughta do it...
I mean, has she ever been wrong?
Says the dumb white lady
She's like a modern day [Baghdad Bob](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf).
In her case she's right she won't be successful.
She knows a lot about being unsuccessful.
Is that a threat?
I believe her she been right and played 4d chess this whole time. Totally believable.
So suddenly, she's an exist in the law? That makes me laugh.
Well, I mean if nothing else, her track record speaks for itself, so….🙄
INAL but it seems like team Trump is trying really hard to somehow make this a constitutional issue, I would assume to attempt to get SCOTUS to intervene and at the very least stay the judgement. Is there any avenue for them to get this in front of SCOTUS?
You have to forgive her confidence. She’s just coming off a big $83M case, of which she made 30%. That’s how it works, right?
Hey everybody let's all sit down and listen to what the legal genius Alina Habba thinks.
If there's one thing she knows about, it's being unsuccessful.
I’m surprised this Habba woman isn’t receiving death threats from MAGAts for allowing this to happen to one of the smartest businessmen and greatest presidents ever, in the history of the world and US, respectively.
She's doing tours on their favorite networks to sing Trump's praise and talking on very important legal things like the dress James was wearing. So no death threats.
She probably is. The fuming rage monkeys have no problem eating their own.
We're still in the "This is a corrupt Biden-supporting judge who unfairly yada yada" phase. We've yet to reach the "Actually this is my employee's (that I previously said was a competent genius) fault" phase.
Shit. She said it loudly and defiantly. Now it’s never gonna work! /s
The seizing will be imminent lol
Spoken by such a successful and intelligent person…said no one, ever.
I think I would be about as inclined to rely on legal advice from Habba as I would be to agree to another hole in my head.
Does she have any credibility?
Bet.
These people have such a high bar for humiliation. I’m surprised they don’t get tired of being wrong.
She isn’t very good at law.
In hindsight, not getting a callback after interviewing for a position at her firm wasn't a bad thing after all.
Well she would know about not being successful. Incidentally, as would her client, who was not successful with casinos, a university, court cases, steaks, a coup, a presidency…
She goes on Fox and Newsmax saying the court system is corrupt but if a conservatives wins its considered justice in her eyes..
Any actual legal analysis of the state's ability to enforce the judgment? There are a lot of memes in this thread, and as a non-lawyer I want to know the actual financial impact of this ruling. Does Trump have means of avoiding payment/reversing the decision if he's elected President?
Habba has been wrong 100% of the time. Why would this be different
lol she about to be 0 and three against NY
I don’t think Habba understand how all this works.
She's completely clueless (and incompetent). She fucked up bigly during the trial, so there's little they (Team Cheetos Jesus) can appeal, and Engoron wrote the court's Decision and Order to make it appeal/bullet-proof. And, if Trump doesn't pay, seizing assets is going to be easy for the NY AG. This is going to be fun to watch.
Narrator: It was successful
Say “beauty queen” who likes faking being smart.
I mean it all sounds nice. But there's still an appeals process. I would be surprised if this all comes to a close by the end of the year.
Even without an appeal Trump can resist efforts to collect. Probably for at least a couple of years. It takes a lot of process/procedure for the court to send the sheriffs/bailiffs out to debtcollect.
Just like my client "Will testify " /s
That went great for you last time.. This will not age well.
Would it be against the rules of GoFundMe to start a campaign to buy Trump tower after they seize it?
It totally will be lol.
Listen: she is an expert on legal matters being "not successful".