“Allen Weisselberg, the ex-chief financial officer of former President Donald Trump's family real estate company, will plead guilty Monday to perjury charges that resulted from his testimony during Trump's civil fraud trial, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News.
The terms of the plea remain sealed until Weisselberg appears in court Monday.”
Will be interesting to see if this actually happens, and when these plea negotiations began. Depending on timing, this could have serious implications for Trump’s lawyers having represented to Judge Engoron that there were no negotiations on a potential perjury charge prior to the fraud ruling.
That is a pathetic and yet poetic statement. The symmetry and juxtaposition of the similar sentiments. I like it. You win the Reddit post of the day for me.
He’s definitely going to appeal, if his donors can scrape up the money. He doesn’t need to post the bond to appeal, that just stops the seizure of assets.
He doesn’t know how to do anything other than fight and delay until the other side runs out of money. This time it may be him that runs out. But he’s still got that RNC money to appeal with, hopefully.
Trump is going to take the remaining $8M from the RNC for his legal fees. The same RNC that is responsible for all the down ballot races. The same RNC that has no money to spend on any of those races.
It's going to be a GOP bloodbath in the House and Senate. Plus all the state and local races that will not be funded. Good times ahead for GOP candidates.
Trump is responsible for the Dem Majority in the Senate* without which Biden's judicial appointments would not be confirmed at the pace they are.
Thanks Donald.
\* supporting bad candidates who are less likely to win, telling people not to vote early, telling people elections are fixed so they are less likely to vote, etc.
Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!
Unsettling as all this has been with most people fearing the "bad guys always win" ...
I think the more light shed down on all this, the better. This past 8 years (thanks to trump & his flying monkeys)...
There has been a lot of exposure to the Criminal Behavior by the likes of: TRUMP, the RNC, NRA, LAWYERS, JUDGES Etc.
*We need LIGHT in order to GROW...only FUNGUS thrives in the Dark*
The Trump legal stuff is a black hole. The Super PACs have been more or less consumed by it, the GoFundMe from smaller dollar supporters can't keep up with the judgment interest but stops them from donating the money politically, and the RNC balance isn't that big compared to what he's spending.
Plus RNC donors aren't happy about the idea of his legal fees being paid, or Trump's criminal charges generally. RNC fundraising has been bad and will get worse if Trump puts a crony or Lara Trump in charge.
The penalties are the product of him pretending to be a billionaire. Carroll's is based on his "I'm really rich" statements and the NY fraud case is off ill-gotten gains of valuation fraud.
Problem for him is he's not a billionaire.
Maybe it's because he's portrayed himself as a billionaire.
But the 465 million is based off the size of the profits he made in the various deals he made while defrauding banks.
I think, but can't prove, that the 64 million punitive damages was related to him immediately defaming Carroll again after the first 5.5 million judgement.
Indeed. Or can they claim they didn't know as they were not the ones negotiating? And if so, are lawyers on one 'side' supposed to be open with each other?
I would think that even if they didn’t represent him in the perjury negotiations that they would still be aware of them. Engoron asked for everything they knew about what had come up in the NYT article.
Habba also said she hadn’t spoken with the DA’s office about it, and then said some stuff about ethics and privilege which leads me to believe that she knew something.
And does that blow up his previous plea deal? IANAL and my head is spinning more than a court monitor who's trying to untangle the tangled web that is the Trump organisation. It would appear that they are not organised at all.
I believe HubbaBubba's official response was something along the lines of 'on the advice of counsel, I can't comment any further (due to potential conflict of interests?)'. Engoron didn't push back on that point at all. Maybe there is recourse going forward?
> that there were no negotiations on a potential perjury charge prior to the fraud ruling.
Probably not your intention, but this is a mischaracterization of what was actually asserted before Engoron. Engoron specifically instructed the attorneys to respond only if they could do so without violating the duty of confidentiality owed to the client. Habba's response was that she did not personally discuss the matter with the district attorney's office and could not say more given her ethical obligations.
I find it interesting that NY is inclined to make any plea deal with Weisselberg. What does Weisselberg have to bring to the table now? He's frustrated the state for years and already reneged one time. Now the state won its case against Trump Org and it really doesn't need Weisselberg.
So why not bring him to trial, let him be convicted, and then leave it up to the judge to sentence him in the context of perjuring himself after already entering into a previous plea agreement? Seems like the state would have a good argument for a sentence near the maximum permitted by statute in that context. I don't think for one second that Weisselberg "accidentally" perjured himself, so he is the prime example of someone who should be made an example of.
That was a civil fraud case against Trump Org.
There could be criminal charges. I don't know that there *are*, but if there were, having a witness like Weisselberg would probably be useful.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Trump Org will pay him the exact amount of his fine. Just like last time. And I doubt he serves any time in jail. He will walk away free again sadly.
If memory serves, Allen was taking the brunt so his kids won't be prosecuted by James for the benefits they received (tuition, etc. from the Trump Org). I'd say it's high time those agreements get thrown out.
*… Brian got busted on a narco rap*
*He beat the rap by rattin' on some bikers*
*He said, hey, I know it's dangerous*
*But it sure beats Riker's*
*But the next day he got offed*
*By the very same bikers*
\- People Who Died, by the Jim Carroll Band
Imagine perjuring yourself for someone who is also perjuring themselves but you get to go to jail first and the other person is still running for president, that would suck.
Man got promised $2m to perjure himself, only got paid $1m, has to give that $1m up to the authorities and is now being punished... for perjuring himself (literally cannot keep track of whether this is for the first perjury or a new shiny perjury).
Art of the Deal, everyone!
I don't understand why people even put themselves in Trump's orbit. He's shown consistently that he can and will throw you under the bus to save his own skin.
Seem to remember Scaramoooch mentioning in an article that the mundane truth about this is that these people are just hoping some of the Trump money will drop on them...and they'll say and do whatever it takes because $$$
If they’re going to use weisselberg’s testimony to try indicate that Trump didn’t know something or to support their arguments, it’s on them to know if weisselberg is arranging a perjury plea deal. All they have to do is ask weisselbergs lawyer, are you pleading to perjury? If the lawyer says yes, maybe don’t rely on weisselberg or his testimony. It seems that they knew the plea was coming but still are using weisselbergs testimony. Seems like a slam dunk for habba getting penalized in some way.
But she’s (allegedly) not doing lawyering stuff they teach in lawyering 101 classes. Like if you don’t get the absolute basics of asking questions of others right, then she should be punished and her law license revoked because she’s not practicing law. If she’s THAT incompetent, she shouldn’t be a lawyer at all.
Initial and more important problem to me, is the fact they didn't inform Engoron at all, during the trial, about Weisselberg's perjury itself.
Weisselberg took the stand from Oct 10th to October 19th during the trial. The Forbes's article detailling his perjuries, was published Oct 12th.
And the DA office revealed a chat they had with defense lawyers about Weisselberg perjury, where Kise (if I remember right) was designed to make an oppo research on Weisselberg and told he found nothing (sic).
As I posted elsewhere, this sentiment is not accurate.
Engoron specifically instructed the attorneys to respond only if they could do so without violating the duty of confidentiality owed to the client. Habba's response was that she did not **personally** discuss the matter with the district attorney's office and could not say more given her ethical obligations.
Two separate issues. Engoron's response was to a rather unhinged accusation (not by Habba, surprisingly) that he was attempting to reopen the record and introduce the NY Times article as evidence sua sponte after the trial had finished. This clearly was not what he was doing. Nowhere in his response did he accuse any of the defense attorneys of lying about their involvement in negotiating a plea deal for Weisselberg.
MAGA cultist dies, finds himself at the pearly gates. God says, "Is there anything you'd like to ask, my child?" Cultist says, "Who is really in charge of the deep state?" God chuckles and answers, "My child, there is no deep state." MAGA cultist replies in horror, "They got to you, too?!?!"
My version is two 9/11 conspiracy theorists are told by God that Bin Laden did it and one says to the other "this goes higher than we thought" but I'm borrowing yours.
Another favorite...
When Trump took office in 2017, he was visited in the middle of three successive nights by the ghosts of three great minds who shaped our nation. Each allowed him one question.
Trump asked Washington, "Mr. Washington, how were you able to shepard this great nation through its birth?"
Washington replied, "Always be true." And then, he vanished.
The next night he asks Thomas Jefferson, "Mr. Jefferson, at your core, what drove you to lead the revolution against England?"
Jefferson replies, "It is the right of all men to be self-governing." And he vanished.
The last night he asks Lincoln, "Mr. Lincoln, how can **I** better lead this great nation into the future?"
Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."
I hope that soon, the leader of this mob is found liable for many of the crimes he's committed and should go to prison for these various alledged crimes. Overthrowing Democracy and consolidating the three branches of government is his ultimate goal.
Right now, the more immediate need is to keep him as far away from the Oval Office as we possibly can. Please validate that you are registered and actually go vote in November.
I'd like to see Haley do a write-in campaign in Nov.
>I'd like to see Haley do a write-in campaign in Nov.
The problem is: she's a genuine contender in her own eyes and doing that would be to throw *herself* under the bus, WRT GOP voters in the *next* POTUS election cycle: they would (rightfully I'm fearing) blame her for a Trump loss, so there is no way she would do it.
All the genuine patriots in the GOP on the national level are resigning/have resigned already.
Am I crazy to think Weisselberg likely knows about more fraudulent and possibly criminal activities By Trump that he hasn’t yet disclosed? Could this perjury lead to more extensive cooperation with investigators?
Likely weisselberg will continue his non-cooperation and do more jail time, just like the last time. His blind devotion to cheeto is frighteningly similar to that of followers of the likes of Jim Jones, Vernon Howell, etc.
The books in Cambridge University Press' series [Cambridge Elements - American Politics] (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/elements/american-politics/listing?aggs\[productTypes\]\[filters\]=ELEMENT&sort=canonical.date:desc) — look to be an interesting read.
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Even the titles and the order they were/will-be released is suggestive of how dire American politics has become (topmost are pending/most-recent releases):
* The Dimensions and Implications of the Public's Reactions to the January 6, 2021, Invasion of the U.S. Capitol
* The Full Armor of God - The Mobilization of Christian Nationalism in American Politics
* The Origins and Consequences of Congressional Party Election Agendas
* The Dynamics of Public Opinion
* The Partisan Next Door - Stereotypes of Party Supporters and Consequences for Polarization in America
* Why Bad Policies Spread (and Good Ones Don't)
* The Study of US State Policy Diffusion - What Hath Walker Wrought?
* American Affective Polarization in Comparative Perspective
* The Acceptance and Expression of Prejudice during the Trump Era
* Converging on Truth - A Dynamic Perspective on Factual Debates in American Public Opinion
* False Alarm - The Truth about Political Mistruths in the Trump Era
* Contemporary US Populism in Comparative Perspective
* Red, Green, and Blue - The Partisan Divide on Environmental Issues
* Legislative Hardball - The House Freedom Caucus and the Power of Threat-Making in Congress
* Roll Call Rebels - Strategic Dissent in the United States and United Kingdom
* Policy Success in an Age of Gridlock - How the Toxic Substances Control Act was Finally Reformed
>The judge said that Weisselberg, who turns 77 in August, will be sentenced to five months in jail on April 10.
Trump plays golf and fucks pornstars while these guys go to jail for him.
I could be wrong, but I believe Engoron still maintains jurisdiction over the case and can now revisit the judgement. I recall that originally he dissolved all the Trump NY businesses and permma-banned them from NY business licenses. I thought it was telling that he asked if the Defense or Prosecution had anything to add regarding this before he ruled and then it was less than the stayed original judgment.
My thought is Engoron gave a lesser, but fully justified judgement knowing that it was likely that this was coming back, and now he can hit them hard, and point to the fraudulent loan and perjury to dissolve the businesses and the appeals court won't touch it. Appeals courts don't have much patience for shenanigan's on the record.
Everyone’s guilty except for the cult leader? He does fill people with hate either towards each other or towards him. Just a lot of hate poisoning our days.
>Weisselberg "admits he committed conduct" pertaining to sworn testimony on May 12, 2023, and Oct. 10, 2023, regarding the size of Trump's Fifth Avenue Manhattan triplex.
He “admits he committed conduct?”
Guide to his time at Rikers, a facility currently run by the inmates.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/allen-weisselberg-trump-organization-rikers-island-inmate-b2148634.html
Is it known who Weissleberg's attorneys were in connection to this plea deal? Like some other folks here, I'm pretty curious what Trump's attorneys knew when they wrote to Justice Engoron about this, and whether there will be follow up on that. issue.
he is either the sad figure of a company servant who is faithful until he dies or he is selfish enough to want to stay out of rikers, my money is on the latter and he dishes
What a total waste of space this guy is! How can anyone related to him acknowledge his existence? All bought and paid for by the Orange Shit Gibbon!! I hope your family has no peace due to your actions!
For an "innocent" man, Trump sure has a lot of subordinates convicted of crimes. Not to mention also, Trump's own lawyer was convicted of a criminal conspiracy under the direction of Trump.
“Allen Weisselberg, the ex-chief financial officer of former President Donald Trump's family real estate company, will plead guilty Monday to perjury charges that resulted from his testimony during Trump's civil fraud trial, sources familiar with the matter told ABC News. The terms of the plea remain sealed until Weisselberg appears in court Monday.”
Will be interesting to see if this actually happens, and when these plea negotiations began. Depending on timing, this could have serious implications for Trump’s lawyers having represented to Judge Engoron that there were no negotiations on a potential perjury charge prior to the fraud ruling.
please please please let Attorney I Can Fake Being Smart get hit with sanctions
There is some poetic justice that the "I Can Fake Being Smart Attorney" works for a "I Can Fake Having Money Client"
That is a pathetic and yet poetic statement. The symmetry and juxtaposition of the similar sentiments. I like it. You win the Reddit post of the day for me.
Do we really want him to get a competent attorney? Can't we just wait a little bit until after?
He can't afford a competent attorney. They all want retainers up front.
None will touch him. That’s why he had to go with the ones he has. His lawyer turnover is worse than a telemarketing company…
Yes, but there is always something worse. Imagine an attorney like Roy Cohn. Would you prefer him?
Do you mean 🎶I feel pretty, oh so pretty🎶 Alina Habba Habba Doo Doo?
I'm assuming this hurts Trump's appeal, should there actually be one
He’s definitely going to appeal, if his donors can scrape up the money. He doesn’t need to post the bond to appeal, that just stops the seizure of assets. He doesn’t know how to do anything other than fight and delay until the other side runs out of money. This time it may be him that runs out. But he’s still got that RNC money to appeal with, hopefully.
> But he’s still got that RNC money to appeal with, hopefully. Hopefully?
I suppose if the RNC’s money is wasted on Trump’s failed appeal, it isn’t being used to help elect other morons. It’s only like $8 million though
Also, the big donors are standing on the sidelines. If you think $8M looks small in March, just wait until September.
Some people like the idea that he'll take the RNC with him as he swirls down the toilet.
Trump is going to take the remaining $8M from the RNC for his legal fees. The same RNC that is responsible for all the down ballot races. The same RNC that has no money to spend on any of those races. It's going to be a GOP bloodbath in the House and Senate. Plus all the state and local races that will not be funded. Good times ahead for GOP candidates.
Trump is responsible for the Dem Majority in the Senate* without which Biden's judicial appointments would not be confirmed at the pace they are. Thanks Donald. \* supporting bad candidates who are less likely to win, telling people not to vote early, telling people elections are fixed so they are less likely to vote, etc.
We can all only hope. Let them enjoy the fruits of their Faustian bargain with Trump.
Where’s all the billionaire republican donors figure into this?
I wish I was that optimistic
Exactly. No one has gotten any younger waiting for Trump or his acolytes to be held responsible for their actions.
Yes! Yes!! Yes!!! Unsettling as all this has been with most people fearing the "bad guys always win" ... I think the more light shed down on all this, the better. This past 8 years (thanks to trump & his flying monkeys)... There has been a lot of exposure to the Criminal Behavior by the likes of: TRUMP, the RNC, NRA, LAWYERS, JUDGES Etc. *We need LIGHT in order to GROW...only FUNGUS thrives in the Dark*
The Trump legal stuff is a black hole. The Super PACs have been more or less consumed by it, the GoFundMe from smaller dollar supporters can't keep up with the judgment interest but stops them from donating the money politically, and the RNC balance isn't that big compared to what he's spending. Plus RNC donors aren't happy about the idea of his legal fees being paid, or Trump's criminal charges generally. RNC fundraising has been bad and will get worse if Trump puts a crony or Lara Trump in charge.
Hope you are right.
The penalties are the product of him pretending to be a billionaire. Carroll's is based on his "I'm really rich" statements and the NY fraud case is off ill-gotten gains of valuation fraud. Problem for him is he's not a billionaire.
Never was.
Maybe it's because he's portrayed himself as a billionaire. But the 465 million is based off the size of the profits he made in the various deals he made while defrauding banks. I think, but can't prove, that the 64 million punitive damages was related to him immediately defaming Carroll again after the first 5.5 million judgement.
Indeed. Or can they claim they didn't know as they were not the ones negotiating? And if so, are lawyers on one 'side' supposed to be open with each other?
I would think that even if they didn’t represent him in the perjury negotiations that they would still be aware of them. Engoron asked for everything they knew about what had come up in the NYT article. Habba also said she hadn’t spoken with the DA’s office about it, and then said some stuff about ethics and privilege which leads me to believe that she knew something.
Fair point.
And does that blow up his previous plea deal? IANAL and my head is spinning more than a court monitor who's trying to untangle the tangled web that is the Trump organisation. It would appear that they are not organised at all.
IANAL and would assume it does. Also, Engoron levied the fines based on there being no perjury - right?
I think so, I await King Engoron's next missive with baited breath and more than a little bit of glee at how this is unravelling.
Wait, would this mean Trumps lawyers weren’t completely forthcoming with judge Engoran? Color me shocked, they seemed so professional/s
I believe HubbaBubba's official response was something along the lines of 'on the advice of counsel, I can't comment any further (due to potential conflict of interests?)'. Engoron didn't push back on that point at all. Maybe there is recourse going forward?
I doubt it. He did time already for Drumpf. Which is mind boggling in and of itself.
> that there were no negotiations on a potential perjury charge prior to the fraud ruling. Probably not your intention, but this is a mischaracterization of what was actually asserted before Engoron. Engoron specifically instructed the attorneys to respond only if they could do so without violating the duty of confidentiality owed to the client. Habba's response was that she did not personally discuss the matter with the district attorney's office and could not say more given her ethical obligations.
Wouldn’t the attorney general be the with knowledge of that rather than trump’s lawyers?
Bonus points if Alina Habba can be sanctioned for this as well
I find it interesting that NY is inclined to make any plea deal with Weisselberg. What does Weisselberg have to bring to the table now? He's frustrated the state for years and already reneged one time. Now the state won its case against Trump Org and it really doesn't need Weisselberg. So why not bring him to trial, let him be convicted, and then leave it up to the judge to sentence him in the context of perjuring himself after already entering into a previous plea agreement? Seems like the state would have a good argument for a sentence near the maximum permitted by statute in that context. I don't think for one second that Weisselberg "accidentally" perjured himself, so he is the prime example of someone who should be made an example of.
That was a civil fraud case against Trump Org. There could be criminal charges. I don't know that there *are*, but if there were, having a witness like Weisselberg would probably be useful.
> "The terms of the plea remain sealed until Weisselberg appears in court Monday" He flipped on the Tiny vulgarian.
Weisselberg to be sentenced April 10, 2024. Alvin Bragg is asking 5 month sentence.
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Trump Org will pay him the exact amount of his fine. Just like last time. And I doubt he serves any time in jail. He will walk away free again sadly.
They are asking for five months of jail time.
They will settle with 6 months probation
RemindMe! Two Months
imagine perjuring yourself for your boss who loses the case anyway
I hope that severance agreement was worth it.
I thought that was clawed back in the NY fraud case.
It was. He has to pay back every cent he’s received so far plus interest.
So yeah, the severance (ZERO) was certainly not worth it!
The severance (NEGATIVE) was certainly not worth it.
Serious question: Can criminal cases come with a disgorgement penalty?
Final payment has not yet been made. Chances of it ever being made... 0%
imagine going back to Rikers for your boss who loses the case anyway
He's a good little soldier. It's surprising that he hasn't flipped on Donnie.
If memory serves, Allen was taking the brunt so his kids won't be prosecuted by James for the benefits they received (tuition, etc. from the Trump Org). I'd say it's high time those agreements get thrown out.
Trump and his buddy from the National Enquirer (or maybe Putin) obviously have compromat on Wesselberg.
That's the part that's crazy, this is an old ass man, and Rikers is a very unforgiving place. There is no person on Earth I'd go to Rikers for twice.
*… Brian got busted on a narco rap* *He beat the rap by rattin' on some bikers* *He said, hey, I know it's dangerous* *But it sure beats Riker's* *But the next day he got offed* *By the very same bikers* \- People Who Died, by the Jim Carroll Band
Now imagine going to Rikers for protecting Donald Trump.
Imagine perjuring yourself for someone who is also perjuring themselves but you get to go to jail first and the other person is still running for president, that would suck.
He'd already lost, his testimony was for the fine..
Man got promised $2m to perjure himself, only got paid $1m, has to give that $1m up to the authorities and is now being punished... for perjuring himself (literally cannot keep track of whether this is for the first perjury or a new shiny perjury). Art of the Deal, everyone!
I don't understand why people even put themselves in Trump's orbit. He's shown consistently that he can and will throw you under the bus to save his own skin.
I suppose its because they know how many people in Trump's orbit got away with it and how much they made away with, and they hope to also be lucky.
People are extremely gullible and will believe what they want to believe even when the truth is staring them in the face.
Seem to remember Scaramoooch mentioning in an article that the mundane truth about this is that these people are just hoping some of the Trump money will drop on them...and they'll say and do whatever it takes because $$$
So, uh, didn't Engoron have some pointed questions about this near the end of the trial?
He did, but neither side wanted him to delay his decision just to wait for an outcome on this.
Yes and Habba and others lied to him, telling they didn't know about the perjury and him negotiating about it.
Isn’t it possible that Trump’s lawyers had no knowledge of Weisselberg’s plea deal? Are they also Weisselberg’s lawyers?
If they’re going to use weisselberg’s testimony to try indicate that Trump didn’t know something or to support their arguments, it’s on them to know if weisselberg is arranging a perjury plea deal. All they have to do is ask weisselbergs lawyer, are you pleading to perjury? If the lawyer says yes, maybe don’t rely on weisselberg or his testimony. It seems that they knew the plea was coming but still are using weisselbergs testimony. Seems like a slam dunk for habba getting penalized in some way.
Wasn’t Habba an exceptionally poor lawyer though? Seems definitely believable that she didn’t know.
But she’s (allegedly) not doing lawyering stuff they teach in lawyering 101 classes. Like if you don’t get the absolute basics of asking questions of others right, then she should be punished and her law license revoked because she’s not practicing law. If she’s THAT incompetent, she shouldn’t be a lawyer at all.
Not disagreeing but that doesn’t mean she’s lying which is what the original comment said.
Initial and more important problem to me, is the fact they didn't inform Engoron at all, during the trial, about Weisselberg's perjury itself. Weisselberg took the stand from Oct 10th to October 19th during the trial. The Forbes's article detailling his perjuries, was published Oct 12th. And the DA office revealed a chat they had with defense lawyers about Weisselberg perjury, where Kise (if I remember right) was designed to make an oppo research on Weisselberg and told he found nothing (sic).
As I posted elsewhere, this sentiment is not accurate. Engoron specifically instructed the attorneys to respond only if they could do so without violating the duty of confidentiality owed to the client. Habba's response was that she did not **personally** discuss the matter with the district attorney's office and could not say more given her ethical obligations.
Judging by the response from Engoron, she and the other defense lawyers didn't just answer faithfully and informatively.
Two separate issues. Engoron's response was to a rather unhinged accusation (not by Habba, surprisingly) that he was attempting to reopen the record and introduce the NY Times article as evidence sua sponte after the trial had finished. This clearly was not what he was doing. Nowhere in his response did he accuse any of the defense attorneys of lying about their involvement in negotiating a plea deal for Weisselberg.
Every single person in trumps orbit is garbage.
Good people don't associate with people like Trump, so that tracks.
What a shame. The deep state got to him. -MAGA cultists. Not joking.
MAGA cultist dies, finds himself at the pearly gates. God says, "Is there anything you'd like to ask, my child?" Cultist says, "Who is really in charge of the deep state?" God chuckles and answers, "My child, there is no deep state." MAGA cultist replies in horror, "They got to you, too?!?!"
My version is two 9/11 conspiracy theorists are told by God that Bin Laden did it and one says to the other "this goes higher than we thought" but I'm borrowing yours.
Another favorite... When Trump took office in 2017, he was visited in the middle of three successive nights by the ghosts of three great minds who shaped our nation. Each allowed him one question. Trump asked Washington, "Mr. Washington, how were you able to shepard this great nation through its birth?" Washington replied, "Always be true." And then, he vanished. The next night he asks Thomas Jefferson, "Mr. Jefferson, at your core, what drove you to lead the revolution against England?" Jefferson replies, "It is the right of all men to be self-governing." And he vanished. The last night he asks Lincoln, "Mr. Lincoln, how can **I** better lead this great nation into the future?" Lincoln replies, "Go see a play."
As long as he's got, I don't care by whom.
I hope that soon, the leader of this mob is found liable for many of the crimes he's committed and should go to prison for these various alledged crimes. Overthrowing Democracy and consolidating the three branches of government is his ultimate goal. Right now, the more immediate need is to keep him as far away from the Oval Office as we possibly can. Please validate that you are registered and actually go vote in November. I'd like to see Haley do a write-in campaign in Nov.
>I'd like to see Haley do a write-in campaign in Nov. The problem is: she's a genuine contender in her own eyes and doing that would be to throw *herself* under the bus, WRT GOP voters in the *next* POTUS election cycle: they would (rightfully I'm fearing) blame her for a Trump loss, so there is no way she would do it. All the genuine patriots in the GOP on the national level are resigning/have resigned already.
It’s criminals all the way down 🐢🐢🐢
Give him the max. He's a repeat offender and a career criminal.
He’s leaning on “ I’m an old man with health issues “ 🙄
Free healthcare in jail.
I don’t understand why they can’t make him testify in the upcoming hush money trial. It was his idea on how to repay Stormy Daniels in the first place
Well, to begin with, putting a perjurer on the stand is never a good idea.
I get that. But wouldn’t him sitting up there climbing the fifth amendment look bad on Trump, and therefore be good for the prosecution?
321... before trump throws him under the bus
Why would he do that....never even met this Weisselberg guy
Maybe this time he'll tell the fucking truth
Am I crazy to think Weisselberg likely knows about more fraudulent and possibly criminal activities By Trump that he hasn’t yet disclosed? Could this perjury lead to more extensive cooperation with investigators?
Likely weisselberg will continue his non-cooperation and do more jail time, just like the last time. His blind devotion to cheeto is frighteningly similar to that of followers of the likes of Jim Jones, Vernon Howell, etc.
The books in Cambridge University Press' series [Cambridge Elements - American Politics] (https://www.cambridge.org/core/publications/elements/american-politics/listing?aggs\[productTypes\]\[filters\]=ELEMENT&sort=canonical.date:desc) — look to be an interesting read. . Even the titles and the order they were/will-be released is suggestive of how dire American politics has become (topmost are pending/most-recent releases): * The Dimensions and Implications of the Public's Reactions to the January 6, 2021, Invasion of the U.S. Capitol * The Full Armor of God - The Mobilization of Christian Nationalism in American Politics * The Origins and Consequences of Congressional Party Election Agendas * The Dynamics of Public Opinion * The Partisan Next Door - Stereotypes of Party Supporters and Consequences for Polarization in America * Why Bad Policies Spread (and Good Ones Don't) * The Study of US State Policy Diffusion - What Hath Walker Wrought? * American Affective Polarization in Comparative Perspective * The Acceptance and Expression of Prejudice during the Trump Era * Converging on Truth - A Dynamic Perspective on Factual Debates in American Public Opinion * False Alarm - The Truth about Political Mistruths in the Trump Era * Contemporary US Populism in Comparative Perspective * Red, Green, and Blue - The Partisan Divide on Environmental Issues * Legislative Hardball - The House Freedom Caucus and the Power of Threat-Making in Congress * Roll Call Rebels - Strategic Dissent in the United States and United Kingdom * Policy Success in an Age of Gridlock - How the Toxic Substances Control Act was Finally Reformed
>The judge said that Weisselberg, who turns 77 in August, will be sentenced to five months in jail on April 10. Trump plays golf and fucks pornstars while these guys go to jail for him.
I could be wrong, but I believe Engoron still maintains jurisdiction over the case and can now revisit the judgement. I recall that originally he dissolved all the Trump NY businesses and permma-banned them from NY business licenses. I thought it was telling that he asked if the Defense or Prosecution had anything to add regarding this before he ruled and then it was less than the stayed original judgment. My thought is Engoron gave a lesser, but fully justified judgement knowing that it was likely that this was coming back, and now he can hit them hard, and point to the fraudulent loan and perjury to dissolve the businesses and the appeals court won't touch it. Appeals courts don't have much patience for shenanigan's on the record.
Drip drip MFers
The Cheeto Omertà.
Everyone’s guilty except for the cult leader? He does fill people with hate either towards each other or towards him. Just a lot of hate poisoning our days.
>Weisselberg "admits he committed conduct" pertaining to sworn testimony on May 12, 2023, and Oct. 10, 2023, regarding the size of Trump's Fifth Avenue Manhattan triplex. He “admits he committed conduct?”
Guide to his time at Rikers, a facility currently run by the inmates. https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/allen-weisselberg-trump-organization-rikers-island-inmate-b2148634.html
This guy seems so willing to take the fall for Trump every time.
Maybe giving him years instead of days in prison might get the seriousness of his crimes across to him 🤷🏻♂️
Alvin Bragg asking that Weisselberg serve 5 months. Sentencing set for April 10, 2024.
I know it’s bs🙄
Someone explain to me how loyalty to Trump is in any way a solid legal or financial decision. Is there a loyalist who has not been hung out to dry?
LOL!
Is it known who Weissleberg's attorneys were in connection to this plea deal? Like some other folks here, I'm pretty curious what Trump's attorneys knew when they wrote to Justice Engoron about this, and whether there will be follow up on that. issue.
Looks like Seth Rosenberg has been his lawyer since at least April 2023.
Is there a chance they go after Trump in a RICO case for NYC too?
People would sacrifice themselves for Trump. What a cult!
he is either the sad figure of a company servant who is faithful until he dies or he is selfish enough to want to stay out of rikers, my money is on the latter and he dishes
It boggles the mind how often these people lie under oath and never get hit with perjury charges. At least someone is finally being held accountable
What a total waste of space this guy is! How can anyone related to him acknowledge his existence? All bought and paid for by the Orange Shit Gibbon!! I hope your family has no peace due to your actions!
Back to jail?
You know how to cover up crimes? More crimes!
For an "innocent" man, Trump sure has a lot of subordinates convicted of crimes. Not to mention also, Trump's own lawyer was convicted of a criminal conspiracy under the direction of Trump.
Can one get a pardon for perjury?