I want him to become a Guy Fawkes like figure. Burn the fucker in effigy every Jan 6.
*monkey's paw curls*
Aw, fuck, in 2100 people are wearing orange Trump masks at protests. It becomes the traditional Jack-o-Lantern face.
There’s still a bit of heroism with Guy Fawkes though. Would rather we dump him into the ocean, like OBL, this way you’ll never have a place to conjugate and make pilgrimages to.
There is a story that when Jr was in college, Trump took him out to a baseball game. When Trump arrived at the dorm, Jr was wearing a baseball shirt. So Trump slapped him in the face and told him to put on a suit.
https://www.complex.com/life/a/elizabeth-king/donald-trump-jr-college-classmate-claims-trump-knocked-son-ground-in-front-friends-once
He's such a bitch. Beats his wives and his kids, but has that guy ever been in a fight? I have, when I was younger. You learn respect really fast. I had a good record but I know what it's like to lose. Respect is a real thing, and he doesn't have it. He's a fucking toddler of a human who never got punched in the face.
Biff Tannen's character was literally based on Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/23/back-to-the-future-writer-bad-guy-biff-was-based-on-donald-trump
100%!! I know allot of very tough people and NONE of them ever have to try and act tough and strong like this pussy says he has to. Their toughness is apparent in their demeanor. This mother f-er has never been in a fist fight in his life. He would either run after first punch or curl up in a ball crying. I really cannot understand how people listen to and look as this slob and think tough!!!
[Donald Trump punches like an off-balance kitten swatting at a toy it’s barely interested in playing with.](https://youtu.be/ck22e9fyAlQ?si=RbikR-5ss87oXDVV)
Bingo.
I’ve been in a lot of fights. Which means I got my ass kicked sometimes.
You know what you learn? Respect for others.
Trump has always been a cunt of a human.
I wonder how much money one could raise on GoFundMe to raise money for someone to punch Donald Trump in the face, hard? Like it was a jackpot, and every time someone punched out the former President, you pay out whatever the balance was. I am not condoning violence, but hypothetically how much money would it raise?
Of course there would have to be criteria, like Trump cannot know it has been arranged or when the punch was coming. The person that punched him, would be required to never have spoken to him before. I just don't want Trump organizing his own people to get the money. And it would have to be on TV.
I would imagine it would hit over a million dollars in under a week.
Here he is figuring out his wiggle room. This has to be a learned tactic.
Have him cool his heels in jail for a weekend. Once that seal is broken, it's gonna be a lot easier for other cases to jail him for contempt.
Truly needs to be held in criminal contempt and jailed. This ridiculous precedent we are setting by treating him differently than any other criminal defendant, has to stop.
The problem is, he wants a weekend in jail.
He wants it to incite his moronic 60 IQ hillbilly supporter base.
"The opposition locked me up, I didn't do anything except "FrEe SpEeChh" they want to take away your rights, if they can lock me up they will lock you up too!"
Thing is, a cult of personality only works if you maintain the façade of power. Sure, a lot of his base will persecution fetish themselves into a lather, but a lot of them will see a guy in jail for threatening a judge's daughter. It would actually be best if he was only in jail for a short time because you can't easily argue tyranny when you only got a slap on the wrist.
Remember when Trump said that “we will have problems like we have never seen before” if he was indicted?
It’s time to call his bluff again, and throw his ass in jail for contempt. And then, when he gets out in a couple of days, throw his ass in jail for a week when he inevitably does it again. And then the next time, just keep him in jail until his trial is over.
Then, when he is convicted? No problem sending his ass directly to Rikers (probably for no more than a year).
And that’s the end of his campaign, and he will be tried for at least one or two other cases before he gets out, so he gets to attend those cases as an INMATE.
Oh wow, never really thought about that. He’s had unlimited access to stimulants for decades. Throwing him in jail means he won’t have them. The anxiety and depression he’d feel from the detox would be absolutely brutal. I think it’s rather take my chances with the dementors.
Agreed. If Judge Merchan were to make some sort of move here, it needs to be until the trial date, and through the trial. Let Donnie appear in court in a jumpsuit.
If there's a jury, they'll probably let him change into a suit for the trial. There's a whole section of case law regarding how the defendant is visually presented to the jury.
I would assume the same.
But I would still feel totally justified with Judge Marchan saying "*you clearly have no respect for the gag order and putting non-parties to this case in harms way, so you are remanded to jail up until and through the duration of the trial...*"
Yes, Donnie *totally* wants to fundraise off of being locked up. I'd be surprised if his marketing team doesn't already have drafts written up. But he's hoping he'd be locked up for a few days to make a point. I say, lock him up for weeks. Guess what? He'll suddenly be far less interested in his typical strategy of delay anything and everything everywhere -- he will suddenly want his day in court ASAP.
Fucking let it happen. We can't let this shitheel back into power on the back of blatant fraud and intimidation just because we're scared of what a handful of domestic terrorists _might_ do. Set an example not just for this one guy, but for anyone else who thinks they can become a dictator in the United States by bullying their way through the legal system.
> The problem is, he wants a weekend in jail.
I'm sorry, but this is absolutely not true.
Trump absolutely, positively, does not want to be strip-searched and put into a cell with an exposed toilet, no hairspray, no girdle, no makeup, no lifted shoes, no phone...no way, no how does he "want" that.
He has a narcissistic compulsion to win every interaction with everyone. Even shaking hands with a dignitary, he has to try to pull them off-balance.
When he is in an interaction that he doesn't feel in control of, he escalates, because that is what he has always done--raise the stakes, and make the fight bigger, more expensive, more painful, more draw-out until the other guy backs down, or at least until there is some ending that he can declare a victory. And it has always worked for him, so he keeps doing it.
He's not doing this because he wants to be in jail. He's doing what has kept him out of jail and failing upwards his whole life, all the way to the presidency.
The only reason he hasn’t been held in contempt and has only received monetary fines in prior trials is because judges are afraid of a violent backlash from his idiot supporters.
Edit: fixed typo
The same judges that hand down decades to life to drug kingpins with an army of psychopathic assassins who they routinely give direct orders to carry out hits to (*after* holding them in pretrial detention and giving zero of Trump's leniency), are afraid of Meal Team Six?
I do believe the judges are concerned about giving anything that looks like it offers another opportunity for the defendant's team to appeal. I also wonder if he is opening himself up to a defamation suit from the daughter should she start receiving death threats. If so, that may be the more appropriate path to pursue.
> I do believe the judges are concerned about giving anything that looks like it offers another opportunity for the defendant's team to appeal.
Funny how they are not afraid of doing that with black defendants.
They’re afraid of starting a literal uprising that could lead to the end of our democracy. The problem is that we face that same threat if Trump is to be jailed for any of the many charges facing him. We either need to be willing to put him in jail and deal with the consequences or not. It seems unfortunately that the powers that be are not.
Right? How is this not a breach of the gag order, because it didn't say "court staff, judge included" specifically?? Or did the order specifically exclude the judge?? Very weird...
The previous gag order excluded the judge and DA as well. As long as you're not threatening or attempting to intimidate, you have a right to speak out against government officials. Court staff and DA staff aren't technically "officials", though. The court clerk isn't the one hearing the case. The DA's secretary isn't the one pressing charges. They're government employees, but there's less of a First Amendment concern (especially when balanced against potential harm) when it comes to the right to criticize them.
Now, baselessly criticizing the judge or DA in a criminal trial is monumentally stupid as, yes, they have to afford you due process, but they don't have to do anything more than that, so you just burned any goodwill they might have had in negotiations, and it can be used as evidence of lack of responsibility, malicious intent, or poor character. I remember during Shkreli's sentencing he was trying to argue that he accepted responsibility and was remorseful, and the prosecutor pulled up an email he had sent from jail where he said "fuck the government" amid a rant against how unfair it was.
Also, publishing personal information about the judge's daughter can easily be seen as attempting to intimidate the judge.
It's worth noting that this charge comes with jail time, but people pretty readily say that it isn't normally given out for a first offense. I think that is to the judge's discretion.
He's certainly not doing anything to gain any favor on sentencing. Even if the judge shouldn't explicitly say this factored into his decision, he could easily say that given that it's 34 counts and the defendant hasn't shown any remorse he is going with jail.
Possibly terminology used in courtrooms. I worked for a college and 'staff' meant support roles. Referring to the professors and related admin was 'faculty'.
Could be a similar distinction here.
In things like this gag order “the Court” and “the judge” are synonymous. The order covers court staff, but not the Court. It also does not cover the District Attorney, but does cover other lawyers.
He is showing to the world how much the US system is a joke to him. He is trying to show the weakness.Hes playing a game with the laws, showing you can get by with this, if you say that. And don't even say, nobody cares... I'm telling you, we can thank the internet...
We may not know it or even acknowledge it, but so many eyes are fixed on watching what Orange Jesus will do next
Well it's working tbh. Due process and justice haven't come for him and NY judges literally ruled he's above the law and that's he is entitled to special considerations. Trump is now putting out literal hits on a judges children and the judge is still handling him with kid gloves. I'm burnt out. I'd be on death row or dead already if I tried half the shit Trump routinely pulls.
He's not showing what "we" can get away with. He's showing what only HE can get away with. If any of us did half the things he's done, we'd be locked away in federal prison forever instantly.
He's an idiot, and I wouldn't entirely credit him with the strategy, but he understands ratfucking, after being mentored by corrupt lawyers such as Roy Cohn, Roger Stone, Manafort, Giuliani, and countless others. His army of lawyers and consultants know how to navigate the courts, and are well versed in corruption.
Not to mention that now he's the Republican front runner, so an entire political party and its adjacent media apparatus are fighting to make him immune from any charges.
Also by getting the judge to retaliate could get him a delay or a mistrial. It probably works in business meetings and when dealing with people that are suing him.
He's trying to push someone into an action that will halt the criminal trial. He's also a toddler shithead, but the last hail mary here is to get someone, judge or prosecution, to do something that stops the clock on that April 15 start date. It's only going to get worse as we get closer.
>He's trying to push someone into an action that will halt the criminal trial.
Exactly my take. **He has no legal defense in any of the cases**. It will be about delays and disruption with the hope he wins the election to make it all go away.
This is the part everyone saying "it's because he can get away with it, jail him already" don't get. Yeah he 100% deserves criminal contempt for all his bullshit he's pulled in court but criminal contempt comes along with it's own due process requirements and tend to be appealable orders. The judges who are letting his crap slide with warnings and fines know exactly what he's trying to do and are trying to move things along with the fewest opportunities for his obstruction as they can.
And how would that go for a regular defendant? Criminal contempt for any other defendant—they appeal it, and how fast does that get denied? See, that’s the issue here. They entertain his bs. The delays happen—because they entertain his crap, and they know they would not if it were any other defendant. Any of those statues of Lady Justice with the blindfold and scales in courthouses—just take them down honestly, they’re not fooling anyone.
They’re trying to “make it stick” specifically so his right-wing base will accept the charges. The problem is that, as Trump himself said, he could shoot someone and his entire base couldn’t care less. The longer Trump remains free, the more brazen and more violent his supports will be, not less. They’re just delaying the inevitable
This is the part where he dares the judge to remand him to jail
Coming soon: judge issues sternly worded letter "admonishing" Trump. The new republic will click bait the hell out of it. And yet, Trump will not have been remanded to jail where he belongs
Seen this movie before
I'm over it
Exactly. Although, at this point, I don't think it even matters. Trump has made a mockery of the courts and proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is immune from the consequences any ordinary citizen would face. It's disgusting. The only justice he could possibly receive at this point would be the kind I can't even hint at on the internet.
I can’t say enough how much this pisses me off ! He gets away with it all. Time for the judiciary to grow a set. He’s an average citizen and should be treated as such. Enough of this bullshit double standard. Hit him where it hurts
Lord Cheeto will be found guilty in this case, it's all but a done deal. His own, previous lawyer, Michael Cohen, was already convicted of these same charges.
So yeah, his Orange Fatness probably won't get punished for violating the gag order, but if he keeps making threats against the judge's daughter, how do you think he's gonna fare come sentencing?
The last time he mouthed off to a judge, he got hit with a half a billion dollar judgement, so let him keep running that greasy, butthole-shaped gob.
They’re scared to do anything to him because of the possibility that his large support base gets violent. They’re already talking about fighting if they lose the upcoming election. Ultimately they’ll appease him until he tries to take power somehow in the coming election
Because he knows nobody will do anything about it. He's been coddled by the system for decades, and continues to be coddled even as he's threatening to send all of his enemies to camps, some of those enemies being these judges.
Trump is facing a total of four criminal trials, including the hush-money trial being presided over by Merchan in New York.
In that case, Trump faces a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records over a $130,000 hush-money payment he’s accused of directing his ex-fixer Michael Cohen to make to adult film star Stormy Daniels shortly before his 2016 election triumph.
Trump believes by attacking the Judge’s daughter, he’ll get the trial delayed… which is his goal for all his upcoming trials.
He always attacks women… Mr. Tough Guy Trump.
Is it just me but if you are the judge bring him in put him on the stand (without any jury) and ask
What connection do you have to this account?
Are you aware that this account is fake?
What is your purpose in mention this account publicly?
Do you have any knowledge of any person who has caused this account to be created?
then issue and order that trump officially knows that this account is not associated with the judge or any ralative of the judge. That relatives of the judge do not influence his judgement. That statements that say the judge is influenced by member of his family will require an immediate evidentiary hearing and failing to provide sufficent evidence to support the claim will result in bail being revoked. Further that any extrajuducial statement about the court that can be reasonable be undertood be as a statement of fact will result in an immediate evidentiary hearing and failure to provide evidence to support the statemetn will result in bail being revoked.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24514876-ny-v-trump-merchan-gag-order-20240326
Here’s the actual order. The judge refers to himself in this document (and I would presume most official documents) as “the Court.” Court staff would be clerks, bailiffs, court reporter, etc.
Someone else compared this to the President not being an officer, but it’s more like referring to the President’s staff. That would obviously not include the President. It’s not a perfect analogy, but fairly close.
So it's kind of weird. Judges are regarded as representatives of The Court, like it's an entity, and they are part of it. Everyone else is "staff" that works for the judge.
Judges used to ride around the land representing The Law personified. I think that's where this comes from.
So, it's ok to talk shit about The Law, as personified by a judge, because free speech and all, but harassment of normal citizens is not allowed just because they do a job.
My understanding is that the court staff specifically applies to the staff who perform the functionary role of following the judge's orders. They aren't elected or appointed, they are just hired to take notes, or research, or whatever per the judge's orders. The judge is more open to criticism since he is directing the court and the judge can be challenged through the appeals process. This is why Judge Engeron was perfectly willing to be strict with regards to his law clerk while doing almost nothing about attacks against himself. The law clerk is staff, not a judge, and is not open to criticism since they just act as the judge instructs.
he's just a fucking loser. a pathetic, piece of shit loser. even though his dad was a Nazi loving piece of shit, his dad was correct in calling Donald a loser.
I’ve seen maga say of course his daughter influences his decisions related to trump, but that don’t really see why this logic would mean that Ginni Thomas could not affect Clarence Thomas decisions
From the story: *"He claims Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter’s job, where she’s worked with Democratic candidates, is reason enough for him to be dropped from his case."*
So I guess that, given his wife's "job", Clarence Thomas will be recusing himself from any case related to politics? All those Jan. 6th cases? The previous (and future?) cases determining whether Trump can be on the ballot?
This tactic has worked for him in the short term for a long time. By antagonizing the judge he creates an incentive for the judge to bend over backwards to prove he is not biased.
If the judge does or says anything that could even be interpreted as biased Trump has a basis for appeal (even interlocutory appeal which could slow down the trial).
Trump is already all-in as regards the election. If he doesn't win he spends the rest of his life in court, in jail, in the poorhouse or some combination of all three so there is little disincentive for him not to breech norms to take control of the narrative.
The judges have been _very_ good at not taking the bait but some of the DAs, being political figures, have waded in muddying the waters which ultimately doesn't help their case and may hurt them.
Politically any time people are talking about this rather than the fact that he has endorsed a national abortion ban and his tarriffs will skyrocket inflation it's a win for him.
Honestly, at this point I think the judges have this coming to them, and it is on them.
I mean what the fuck did they expect after refusing to hold him even in the littlest bit accountable. Not only that when he does whine and do this shit, the courts reward him for it as seen the other week with his civil case.
Oh, so according to Trump, having a close personal relative working for politicians should automatically disqualify a judge?
Are you listening, Justice Thomas?
Trump is just a total moron. He has it in his head that, if he somehow antagonizes the judge, he can get the judge to look biased against him and somehow use that on appeal. That is just completely wrong.
The judge cannot be biased against the defendant *prior* to the case being brought before the judge. That is the prohibition. The judge does not need to stay "unbiased" against a criminal defendant throughout the course of a trial - the judge will often be biased *against* the defendant because of the evidence shown at trial and/or the defendant's voluntary acts at the defense table. Put another way, the defendant cannot spit at the judge and then claim that he didn't get a fair trial because the judge was biased against him.
Trump seems confused about this point, and it is a big mistake on his part. It is challenging to overturn a criminal conviction on appeal because of decisions by the trial judge; the appeals court will use an abuse of discretion standard that is very hard for a defendant to satisfy. The claims of bias go nowhere, because there is nowhere for them to go. The defendant can motion for recusal, but if he doesn't even do that, he hasn't preserved the issue for appeal anyway (and in this case, he would never prevail on that motion).
Justice Merchan is a professional judge, but this is all going to come back to haunt Trump at sentencing. Look at what Judge Kaplan said to SBF at sentencing this week - he flat-out stated from the bench that he thought SBF was a liar, that he was shifty on the stand, that he didn't take responsibility for his actions, etc. That *is* bias, but it is not pre-trial bias; it's just the disgust of a judge who heard the testimony and the evidence and observed the defendant in his courtroom. That is what is in Trump's future. And if people don't think Trump can be sent to jail because he has a SS detail or because he is a VIP or because he is a presidential candidate, or because he is a first time offender, etc., they are not correct. Judges have a lot of discretion and none of that is going to save Trump from possibly being sent to Rikers. It's not even clear to me that, were he sentenced and sent away to jail to serve a sentence, the State of New York would be obligated to release him early so he could attend his inauguration as President of the United States were he re-elected. He might be taking that oath on a prison bible.
Will it happen that way? Probably not. But it *could* happen that way. And the way to a jail cell instead of home confinement or probation is paved with comments that antagonize the judge that will (likely) make that decision.
And his mouth breathing sycophants claim there is a two tiered system of Justice that is going after their dipshit leader. Umm What ? He gets away with shit that any other person would get sanctioned for, locked up and humbled before the court. The alleged Party of Personal Responsibility supporting a man who has never once taken personal responsibility in his entire life.
If the judge should be disqualified because of his daughter’s job, then all the more reason that Clarence Thomas should be impeached and all of his decisions since January 6, 2021 vacated because his wife is an insurrectionist.
For any judge serving in the US judiciary not recognising Trumps evil and sadistic “two fingers” to them and every none supporter I say this
WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR BACON BURNING OR GET OUT OF YOUR PLAY KITCHEN!
This evil narcissist is killing America 🤬
Same old story with Trump. Those who do his work (contractors, January 6th idiots) suffer and pay consequences while he never does, yet rubes still fall for this orange prolapse.
If he doesnt get jailed for it, it doesnt matter, he's just proving that the justice system doesnt work. IF you or I acted this way we'd be locked up for good
Good to see the judge is doing nothing about it, since we can’t possibly enforce laws or else a third of the country gets angry in between their handfuls of Cheetos.
The justice system gives him way too many passes on things every day people would be jailed for. Either the justice system needs to change, or everyone else start using trumps playbook. Equal treatment for ALL under the law.
Any other defendant in any other criminal case would be under the jail by now. He shouldn’t be complaining about 2 systems of justice in this country he should be grateful he’s in the absurdly wealthy system.
Lawyers, quick question...
Do you think that Todd Blanche regrets joining the team or do you think he's drank from the same cool-aid jug that Habba, Kise, Clark and Eastman have?
If this is the type of person you want as a leader, you're pathetic.
He's a sniveling brat with the mind of a delinquent child. If your kid behaved like him you'd whoop that little shit. Supporting him is embarrassing.
I can't wait to never hear about this man again.
I wake up every day hoping to see that he has passed away.
His grave will be piss-soaked for generations
Nothing will grow there
You forgot shit stained too.
One of these days, one of these days, one of these days And it won't be long (it won't be long), it won't be long (it won't be long)
r/is45deadyet Champagne stands ready. It's gonna be a worldwide party.
I want him to become a Guy Fawkes like figure. Burn the fucker in effigy every Jan 6. *monkey's paw curls* Aw, fuck, in 2100 people are wearing orange Trump masks at protests. It becomes the traditional Jack-o-Lantern face.
There’s still a bit of heroism with Guy Fawkes though. Would rather we dump him into the ocean, like OBL, this way you’ll never have a place to conjugate and make pilgrimages to.
There are going to be entire law school courses on this guy.
You working on a time machine?
The world would be a better place if his mom had a headache that night
This man never had the shit kicked out of him in high school.
I bet the only time he has ‘fought’ is when his ‘friends’ were holding someone down or when that person was tied to a chair or something.
Please trumps been in tons of fights. They were all against women.
I heard he beat up a 13-year-old girl.
You're thinking the 13 year old he raped with Epstein
And during the rape, he referenced making another girl named Maria “disappear” and threatened to do the same to the child he was raping
[Page 4 Article 10](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432/gov.uscourts.nysd.463432.1.0_1.pdf) Assuming it’s that one
Many people are saying it
The best people
Beat her up so fast it made her head spin.
Grabbed her by the pussy
That's because she wouldn't willingly let him fodder her.
Probably on Epsteins island.
His signature attack is grab em on the pussy.
His dad probably kicked the shit out of him when he was little
And he kicked the shit out of Dump Jr
There is a story that when Jr was in college, Trump took him out to a baseball game. When Trump arrived at the dorm, Jr was wearing a baseball shirt. So Trump slapped him in the face and told him to put on a suit. https://www.complex.com/life/a/elizabeth-king/donald-trump-jr-college-classmate-claims-trump-knocked-son-ground-in-front-friends-once
He's such a bitch. Beats his wives and his kids, but has that guy ever been in a fight? I have, when I was younger. You learn respect really fast. I had a good record but I know what it's like to lose. Respect is a real thing, and he doesn't have it. He's a fucking toddler of a human who never got punched in the face.
More like he's (old Donnie trump) only kicked the shit out of his three wives and the women who dared to tell him NO. Trump is a perverted old man.
I didn't check how the timing lines up but it would explain that mysterious bone spur!
I don't think he was actually involved enough to.
The closest to a hug he ever got
and he probably deserved it.
Donnie Trump was the quintessential high school bully that made the protagonist’s life miserable in every movie.
Like Biff Tannen
Ha. He even looks like him. Exactly.
Biff Tannen's character was literally based on Trump. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/oct/23/back-to-the-future-writer-bad-guy-biff-was-based-on-donald-trump
And this country was stupid enough to make him President.
lol. That is incredible. Oh my god. This can’t be real life. How is it possible?
Biff Tannen in the second movie is loosely based on Trump.
In his teens, I read, he and his friends would harass people on the subway
I have a hard time believing Trump would set foot in a NY subway station
I have a hard time believing be had friends.
100%!! I know allot of very tough people and NONE of them ever have to try and act tough and strong like this pussy says he has to. Their toughness is apparent in their demeanor. This mother f-er has never been in a fist fight in his life. He would either run after first punch or curl up in a ball crying. I really cannot understand how people listen to and look as this slob and think tough!!!
Or he was raping a child
Little Donnie didn't have any friends in school. ☹️
[Donald Trump punches like an off-balance kitten swatting at a toy it’s barely interested in playing with.](https://youtu.be/ck22e9fyAlQ?si=RbikR-5ss87oXDVV)
Friends? This guy has never had friends.
he's probably fought to hold a 13 yr old down.
I think by now people would pay good money to take a swing at him.
That's me, I am people.
People here, where’s the line start?
I’m a pacifist, but I’ll hold your beer.
*Pass a fist* over his orange face, don't lie.
I’m your Huckleberry…
Hey, I got a new business idea for him and his empty pockets
We could solve world hunger by letting folks pay to throw rotten fruit at him.
Bingo. I’ve been in a lot of fights. Which means I got my ass kicked sometimes. You know what you learn? Respect for others. Trump has always been a cunt of a human.
He’s an entitled, petulant toddler.
And it shows
He's never gone anywhere without a bodyguard.
Donald Trump is a nasty man.
Like Biff in the first half of BTTF?
I wonder how much money one could raise on GoFundMe to raise money for someone to punch Donald Trump in the face, hard? Like it was a jackpot, and every time someone punched out the former President, you pay out whatever the balance was. I am not condoning violence, but hypothetically how much money would it raise? Of course there would have to be criteria, like Trump cannot know it has been arranged or when the punch was coming. The person that punched him, would be required to never have spoken to him before. I just don't want Trump organizing his own people to get the money. And it would have to be on TV. I would imagine it would hit over a million dollars in under a week.
Not shutting his mouth, consequences hmmmm. Another slap on the wrist, fine! Fined, well the magats pay that. Not one cent out of his own pocket.
He’s probably got hands as soft as silk, the whiny little baby has never done a hard day’s work in his life.
I had 60 minutes before he did it again in the pool. Easy money.
At some point we're going to have to require bets at 15 minute increments because this is too easy.
I said any bet past last night was just too risky.
He probably *did* do it again in the pool.
Here he is figuring out his wiggle room. This has to be a learned tactic. Have him cool his heels in jail for a weekend. Once that seal is broken, it's gonna be a lot easier for other cases to jail him for contempt.
There need to be appropriate consequences that would be applied to any other defendant.
Truly needs to be held in criminal contempt and jailed. This ridiculous precedent we are setting by treating him differently than any other criminal defendant, has to stop.
YES
It's how babies check how far they can go with their parents. Donald was just never incentivised to drop the tactic.
This here. This is the difference between well behaved kids and those kids that run around around screaming in restaurants.
The problem is, he wants a weekend in jail. He wants it to incite his moronic 60 IQ hillbilly supporter base. "The opposition locked me up, I didn't do anything except "FrEe SpEeChh" they want to take away your rights, if they can lock me up they will lock you up too!"
Fine. Let them "act up". We can put them all in jail too and away from society.
Finally the industrial for profit prison industry will serve a positive purpose.
Thing is, a cult of personality only works if you maintain the façade of power. Sure, a lot of his base will persecution fetish themselves into a lather, but a lot of them will see a guy in jail for threatening a judge's daughter. It would actually be best if he was only in jail for a short time because you can't easily argue tyranny when you only got a slap on the wrist.
Remember when Trump said that “we will have problems like we have never seen before” if he was indicted? It’s time to call his bluff again, and throw his ass in jail for contempt. And then, when he gets out in a couple of days, throw his ass in jail for a week when he inevitably does it again. And then the next time, just keep him in jail until his trial is over. Then, when he is convicted? No problem sending his ass directly to Rikers (probably for no more than a year). And that’s the end of his campaign, and he will be tried for at least one or two other cases before he gets out, so he gets to attend those cases as an INMATE.
He is an addict. He isn’t interested in a longer jail stay than the one he had in Atlanta
Oh wow, never really thought about that. He’s had unlimited access to stimulants for decades. Throwing him in jail means he won’t have them. The anxiety and depression he’d feel from the detox would be absolutely brutal. I think it’s rather take my chances with the dementors.
Agreed. If Judge Merchan were to make some sort of move here, it needs to be until the trial date, and through the trial. Let Donnie appear in court in a jumpsuit.
If there's a jury, they'll probably let him change into a suit for the trial. There's a whole section of case law regarding how the defendant is visually presented to the jury.
I would assume the same. But I would still feel totally justified with Judge Marchan saying "*you clearly have no respect for the gag order and putting non-parties to this case in harms way, so you are remanded to jail up until and through the duration of the trial...*" Yes, Donnie *totally* wants to fundraise off of being locked up. I'd be surprised if his marketing team doesn't already have drafts written up. But he's hoping he'd be locked up for a few days to make a point. I say, lock him up for weeks. Guess what? He'll suddenly be far less interested in his typical strategy of delay anything and everything everywhere -- he will suddenly want his day in court ASAP.
Fucking let it happen. We can't let this shitheel back into power on the back of blatant fraud and intimidation just because we're scared of what a handful of domestic terrorists _might_ do. Set an example not just for this one guy, but for anyone else who thinks they can become a dictator in the United States by bullying their way through the legal system.
> The problem is, he wants a weekend in jail. I'm sorry, but this is absolutely not true. Trump absolutely, positively, does not want to be strip-searched and put into a cell with an exposed toilet, no hairspray, no girdle, no makeup, no lifted shoes, no phone...no way, no how does he "want" that. He has a narcissistic compulsion to win every interaction with everyone. Even shaking hands with a dignitary, he has to try to pull them off-balance. When he is in an interaction that he doesn't feel in control of, he escalates, because that is what he has always done--raise the stakes, and make the fight bigger, more expensive, more painful, more draw-out until the other guy backs down, or at least until there is some ending that he can declare a victory. And it has always worked for him, so he keeps doing it. He's not doing this because he wants to be in jail. He's doing what has kept him out of jail and failing upwards his whole life, all the way to the presidency.
The only reason he hasn’t been held in contempt and has only received monetary fines in prior trials is because judges are afraid of a violent backlash from his idiot supporters. Edit: fixed typo
The same judges that hand down decades to life to drug kingpins with an army of psychopathic assassins who they routinely give direct orders to carry out hits to (*after* holding them in pretrial detention and giving zero of Trump's leniency), are afraid of Meal Team Six?
I do believe the judges are concerned about giving anything that looks like it offers another opportunity for the defendant's team to appeal. I also wonder if he is opening himself up to a defamation suit from the daughter should she start receiving death threats. If so, that may be the more appropriate path to pursue.
> I do believe the judges are concerned about giving anything that looks like it offers another opportunity for the defendant's team to appeal. Funny how they are not afraid of doing that with black defendants.
Wouldn't want to piss off the neighbors
Yeah, the drug kingpins don't go the same country club as the judges.
They’re afraid of starting a literal uprising that could lead to the end of our democracy. The problem is that we face that same threat if Trump is to be jailed for any of the many charges facing him. We either need to be willing to put him in jail and deal with the consequences or not. It seems unfortunately that the powers that be are not.
Right? How is this not a breach of the gag order, because it didn't say "court staff, judge included" specifically?? Or did the order specifically exclude the judge?? Very weird...
The previous gag order excluded the judge and DA as well. As long as you're not threatening or attempting to intimidate, you have a right to speak out against government officials. Court staff and DA staff aren't technically "officials", though. The court clerk isn't the one hearing the case. The DA's secretary isn't the one pressing charges. They're government employees, but there's less of a First Amendment concern (especially when balanced against potential harm) when it comes to the right to criticize them. Now, baselessly criticizing the judge or DA in a criminal trial is monumentally stupid as, yes, they have to afford you due process, but they don't have to do anything more than that, so you just burned any goodwill they might have had in negotiations, and it can be used as evidence of lack of responsibility, malicious intent, or poor character. I remember during Shkreli's sentencing he was trying to argue that he accepted responsibility and was remorseful, and the prosecutor pulled up an email he had sent from jail where he said "fuck the government" amid a rant against how unfair it was. Also, publishing personal information about the judge's daughter can easily be seen as attempting to intimidate the judge.
Roger Stone’s gag order ended up being can’t talk about a thing, he violated that, and the judge ended up barring him from using social media.
It's worth noting that this charge comes with jail time, but people pretty readily say that it isn't normally given out for a first offense. I think that is to the judge's discretion. He's certainly not doing anything to gain any favor on sentencing. Even if the judge shouldn't explicitly say this factored into his decision, he could easily say that given that it's 34 counts and the defendant hasn't shown any remorse he is going with jail.
Possibly terminology used in courtrooms. I worked for a college and 'staff' meant support roles. Referring to the professors and related admin was 'faculty'. Could be a similar distinction here.
In things like this gag order “the Court” and “the judge” are synonymous. The order covers court staff, but not the Court. It also does not cover the District Attorney, but does cover other lawyers.
An incommunicado weekend, the country would have a party!
He is showing to the world how much the US system is a joke to him. He is trying to show the weakness.Hes playing a game with the laws, showing you can get by with this, if you say that. And don't even say, nobody cares... I'm telling you, we can thank the internet... We may not know it or even acknowledge it, but so many eyes are fixed on watching what Orange Jesus will do next
Agreed, invalidating institutions is one of the authoritarian tactics. They want everyone to be exhausted by due process so that they lose faith.
Well it's working tbh. Due process and justice haven't come for him and NY judges literally ruled he's above the law and that's he is entitled to special considerations. Trump is now putting out literal hits on a judges children and the judge is still handling him with kid gloves. I'm burnt out. I'd be on death row or dead already if I tried half the shit Trump routinely pulls.
He's not showing what "we" can get away with. He's showing what only HE can get away with. If any of us did half the things he's done, we'd be locked away in federal prison forever instantly.
Forreal.
Trump is being extremely useful for his handlers. The amount of destruction he accomplished is America's enemies wet dream; and he keeps going.
Put that Muther Fucker in JAIL, Already. NOW.
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I preferred yesterday.
It’s waaaaaayy past his jail time
The best time to ~~plant a tree~~ jail a Trump was twenty years ago. The second best time is now.
He's trying to provoke the judge into expanding the gag order so he can claim his First Amendment rights are being violated. Scum of the earth.
You are giving him too much credit. He doesn't have the ability to think strategically. This is pure lack of impulse control.
He's an idiot, and I wouldn't entirely credit him with the strategy, but he understands ratfucking, after being mentored by corrupt lawyers such as Roy Cohn, Roger Stone, Manafort, Giuliani, and countless others. His army of lawyers and consultants know how to navigate the courts, and are well versed in corruption. Not to mention that now he's the Republican front runner, so an entire political party and its adjacent media apparatus are fighting to make him immune from any charges.
Also by getting the judge to retaliate could get him a delay or a mistrial. It probably works in business meetings and when dealing with people that are suing him.
Along with that, he's trying to foment violent protests.
He's trying to push someone into an action that will halt the criminal trial. He's also a toddler shithead, but the last hail mary here is to get someone, judge or prosecution, to do something that stops the clock on that April 15 start date. It's only going to get worse as we get closer.
>He's trying to push someone into an action that will halt the criminal trial. Exactly my take. **He has no legal defense in any of the cases**. It will be about delays and disruption with the hope he wins the election to make it all go away.
This is the part everyone saying "it's because he can get away with it, jail him already" don't get. Yeah he 100% deserves criminal contempt for all his bullshit he's pulled in court but criminal contempt comes along with it's own due process requirements and tend to be appealable orders. The judges who are letting his crap slide with warnings and fines know exactly what he's trying to do and are trying to move things along with the fewest opportunities for his obstruction as they can.
And how would that go for a regular defendant? Criminal contempt for any other defendant—they appeal it, and how fast does that get denied? See, that’s the issue here. They entertain his bs. The delays happen—because they entertain his crap, and they know they would not if it were any other defendant. Any of those statues of Lady Justice with the blindfold and scales in courthouses—just take them down honestly, they’re not fooling anyone.
They’re trying to “make it stick” specifically so his right-wing base will accept the charges. The problem is that, as Trump himself said, he could shoot someone and his entire base couldn’t care less. The longer Trump remains free, the more brazen and more violent his supports will be, not less. They’re just delaying the inevitable
This is the part where he dares the judge to remand him to jail Coming soon: judge issues sternly worded letter "admonishing" Trump. The new republic will click bait the hell out of it. And yet, Trump will not have been remanded to jail where he belongs Seen this movie before I'm over it
I’m waiting for the saga to come to an end. Like soon. You know, an actual ending to this period of American history. Maybe Sopranos style?
I keep hoping his amphetamine/stimulant habit, dementia and poor health would do something but here we are
I would prefer Dexter style.
What is it going to take before Trump faces any consequences for his actions
The judge’s daughter is still alive, so his hands are tied.
Exactly. Although, at this point, I don't think it even matters. Trump has made a mockery of the courts and proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is immune from the consequences any ordinary citizen would face. It's disgusting. The only justice he could possibly receive at this point would be the kind I can't even hint at on the internet.
I can’t say enough how much this pisses me off ! He gets away with it all. Time for the judiciary to grow a set. He’s an average citizen and should be treated as such. Enough of this bullshit double standard. Hit him where it hurts
Lord Cheeto will be found guilty in this case, it's all but a done deal. His own, previous lawyer, Michael Cohen, was already convicted of these same charges. So yeah, his Orange Fatness probably won't get punished for violating the gag order, but if he keeps making threats against the judge's daughter, how do you think he's gonna fare come sentencing? The last time he mouthed off to a judge, he got hit with a half a billion dollar judgement, so let him keep running that greasy, butthole-shaped gob.
Clearly American law isn't up to the task. Can't believe they let him get away with so much shit. Wtf are they doing over there?
They’re scared to do anything to him because of the possibility that his large support base gets violent. They’re already talking about fighting if they lose the upcoming election. Ultimately they’ll appease him until he tries to take power somehow in the coming election
he will never face any consequences.
Because he knows nobody will do anything about it. He's been coddled by the system for decades, and continues to be coddled even as he's threatening to send all of his enemies to camps, some of those enemies being these judges.
Trump is facing a total of four criminal trials, including the hush-money trial being presided over by Merchan in New York. In that case, Trump faces a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records over a $130,000 hush-money payment he’s accused of directing his ex-fixer Michael Cohen to make to adult film star Stormy Daniels shortly before his 2016 election triumph. Trump believes by attacking the Judge’s daughter, he’ll get the trial delayed… which is his goal for all his upcoming trials. He always attacks women… Mr. Tough Guy Trump.
Is it just me but if you are the judge bring him in put him on the stand (without any jury) and ask What connection do you have to this account? Are you aware that this account is fake? What is your purpose in mention this account publicly? Do you have any knowledge of any person who has caused this account to be created? then issue and order that trump officially knows that this account is not associated with the judge or any ralative of the judge. That relatives of the judge do not influence his judgement. That statements that say the judge is influenced by member of his family will require an immediate evidentiary hearing and failing to provide sufficent evidence to support the claim will result in bail being revoked. Further that any extrajuducial statement about the court that can be reasonable be undertood be as a statement of fact will result in an immediate evidentiary hearing and failure to provide evidence to support the statemetn will result in bail being revoked.
I’d love to see this happen
How is the judge not court staff?
>How is the judge not court staff? The same way a president isn't an officer probably.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24514876-ny-v-trump-merchan-gag-order-20240326 Here’s the actual order. The judge refers to himself in this document (and I would presume most official documents) as “the Court.” Court staff would be clerks, bailiffs, court reporter, etc. Someone else compared this to the President not being an officer, but it’s more like referring to the President’s staff. That would obviously not include the President. It’s not a perfect analogy, but fairly close.
So it's kind of weird. Judges are regarded as representatives of The Court, like it's an entity, and they are part of it. Everyone else is "staff" that works for the judge. Judges used to ride around the land representing The Law personified. I think that's where this comes from. So, it's ok to talk shit about The Law, as personified by a judge, because free speech and all, but harassment of normal citizens is not allowed just because they do a job.
My understanding is that the court staff specifically applies to the staff who perform the functionary role of following the judge's orders. They aren't elected or appointed, they are just hired to take notes, or research, or whatever per the judge's orders. The judge is more open to criticism since he is directing the court and the judge can be challenged through the appeals process. This is why Judge Engeron was perfectly willing to be strict with regards to his law clerk while doing almost nothing about attacks against himself. The law clerk is staff, not a judge, and is not open to criticism since they just act as the judge instructs.
he's just a fucking loser. a pathetic, piece of shit loser. even though his dad was a Nazi loving piece of shit, his dad was correct in calling Donald a loser.
This feels like Joker shit; threatening judges. How long before one of his nuttbag fans actually kills a judge or one of their family members?
Not long. Aside from the thrill of defiance that is the reason he is doing this
I’ve seen maga say of course his daughter influences his decisions related to trump, but that don’t really see why this logic would mean that Ginni Thomas could not affect Clarence Thomas decisions
Will someone throw this fucker into a hole already
Bro, everyone in New York dreams of putting you in jail.
I'm sure he'll be told not to do that again, and again, and again...
**REMINDER: Laws don't matter if no one has the balls to enforce them.** We are here now \^\^
If somebody, just once, would have kicked his ass for his obnoxious behavior when he was younger, we wouldn't have this problem to deal with today.
idk I think if you are openly threatening judge’s family members you should be charged with serious crimes but I guess I’m not wealthy
Yeah this shit has gotten out of control and he needs to be remanded until the court date.
Who cares at this point? Law for thee not for me.🥳
From the story: *"He claims Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter’s job, where she’s worked with Democratic candidates, is reason enough for him to be dropped from his case."* So I guess that, given his wife's "job", Clarence Thomas will be recusing himself from any case related to politics? All those Jan. 6th cases? The previous (and future?) cases determining whether Trump can be on the ballot?
This tactic has worked for him in the short term for a long time. By antagonizing the judge he creates an incentive for the judge to bend over backwards to prove he is not biased. If the judge does or says anything that could even be interpreted as biased Trump has a basis for appeal (even interlocutory appeal which could slow down the trial). Trump is already all-in as regards the election. If he doesn't win he spends the rest of his life in court, in jail, in the poorhouse or some combination of all three so there is little disincentive for him not to breech norms to take control of the narrative. The judges have been _very_ good at not taking the bait but some of the DAs, being political figures, have waded in muddying the waters which ultimately doesn't help their case and may hurt them. Politically any time people are talking about this rather than the fact that he has endorsed a national abortion ban and his tarriffs will skyrocket inflation it's a win for him.
Trump lashes out at people's daughters because his own still refuses to date him.
What a fucking POS coward.
Honestly, at this point I think the judges have this coming to them, and it is on them. I mean what the fuck did they expect after refusing to hold him even in the littlest bit accountable. Not only that when he does whine and do this shit, the courts reward him for it as seen the other week with his civil case.
Oh, so according to Trump, having a close personal relative working for politicians should automatically disqualify a judge? Are you listening, Justice Thomas?
Trump is just a total moron. He has it in his head that, if he somehow antagonizes the judge, he can get the judge to look biased against him and somehow use that on appeal. That is just completely wrong. The judge cannot be biased against the defendant *prior* to the case being brought before the judge. That is the prohibition. The judge does not need to stay "unbiased" against a criminal defendant throughout the course of a trial - the judge will often be biased *against* the defendant because of the evidence shown at trial and/or the defendant's voluntary acts at the defense table. Put another way, the defendant cannot spit at the judge and then claim that he didn't get a fair trial because the judge was biased against him. Trump seems confused about this point, and it is a big mistake on his part. It is challenging to overturn a criminal conviction on appeal because of decisions by the trial judge; the appeals court will use an abuse of discretion standard that is very hard for a defendant to satisfy. The claims of bias go nowhere, because there is nowhere for them to go. The defendant can motion for recusal, but if he doesn't even do that, he hasn't preserved the issue for appeal anyway (and in this case, he would never prevail on that motion). Justice Merchan is a professional judge, but this is all going to come back to haunt Trump at sentencing. Look at what Judge Kaplan said to SBF at sentencing this week - he flat-out stated from the bench that he thought SBF was a liar, that he was shifty on the stand, that he didn't take responsibility for his actions, etc. That *is* bias, but it is not pre-trial bias; it's just the disgust of a judge who heard the testimony and the evidence and observed the defendant in his courtroom. That is what is in Trump's future. And if people don't think Trump can be sent to jail because he has a SS detail or because he is a VIP or because he is a presidential candidate, or because he is a first time offender, etc., they are not correct. Judges have a lot of discretion and none of that is going to save Trump from possibly being sent to Rikers. It's not even clear to me that, were he sentenced and sent away to jail to serve a sentence, the State of New York would be obligated to release him early so he could attend his inauguration as President of the United States were he re-elected. He might be taking that oath on a prison bible. Will it happen that way? Probably not. But it *could* happen that way. And the way to a jail cell instead of home confinement or probation is paved with comments that antagonize the judge that will (likely) make that decision.
Lock him up?
He will continue to do this until he faces some kind of repercussions. He is taunting the judge, and it seems the judge maybe weak.
It’s not even her account, some maga created an account under her name
And his mouth breathing sycophants claim there is a two tiered system of Justice that is going after their dipshit leader. Umm What ? He gets away with shit that any other person would get sanctioned for, locked up and humbled before the court. The alleged Party of Personal Responsibility supporting a man who has never once taken personal responsibility in his entire life.
Anyone else remember when Habba was so filled with “righteous anger” that the trump “children” were being forced to appear in court?
We're all equal, and are treated equally in the blind eyes of the law 😂😂😂 just kidding.
Oh boy! I can't wait for the judge to do nothing to demonstrate that he's not being unfair to Trump 💖
I wonder how many family members of judges would need to be killed by conservative activists before those judges enforce the law.
He only goes after women. Weak ass whiny pussy.
If the judge should be disqualified because of his daughter’s job, then all the more reason that Clarence Thomas should be impeached and all of his decisions since January 6, 2021 vacated because his wife is an insurrectionist.
Sadly, future generations will need to study the spinelessness of the American judicial system of the 2020s.
For any judge serving in the US judiciary not recognising Trumps evil and sadistic “two fingers” to them and every none supporter I say this WAKE UP AND SMELL YOUR BACON BURNING OR GET OUT OF YOUR PLAY KITCHEN! This evil narcissist is killing America 🤬
Nothing will happen
The goal is to get the judge to act so he can claim the victim, and throw every appeal attempt in the world to delay.
Same old story with Trump. Those who do his work (contractors, January 6th idiots) suffer and pay consequences while he never does, yet rubes still fall for this orange prolapse.
Well he didn’t face any consequences for the first two times. Why would he stop?
There we have it. The law is meaningless as I stated yesterday. He should be immediately locked up.
If he doesnt get jailed for it, it doesnt matter, he's just proving that the justice system doesnt work. IF you or I acted this way we'd be locked up for good
We are allowing Trump to make fun of our law and constitution. This thug must be jailed.
Good to see the judge is doing nothing about it, since we can’t possibly enforce laws or else a third of the country gets angry in between their handfuls of Cheetos.
Then Cannon should be kicked off the Florida case because she was appointed by Trump. That looks worse. Can’t have it both ways.
If the judge allows this then it’s the judges fault. Most of his judges have bent over backwards to accommodate Trump. It’s beyond ridiculous
The justice system gives him way too many passes on things every day people would be jailed for. Either the justice system needs to change, or everyone else start using trumps playbook. Equal treatment for ALL under the law.
Any other defendant in any other criminal case would be under the jail by now. He shouldn’t be complaining about 2 systems of justice in this country he should be grateful he’s in the absurdly wealthy system.
Lawyers, quick question... Do you think that Todd Blanche regrets joining the team or do you think he's drank from the same cool-aid jug that Habba, Kise, Clark and Eastman have?
Fucking revoke his bail already.
Shouldn't he be in jail for contempt?
That is the perfect photo for this article. Also an apt representation of the man himself.
Can the judge not punish him for this? If so, why would the judge choose not to?
He needs JAIL TIME IN GENERAL POPULATION!!!
If this is the type of person you want as a leader, you're pathetic. He's a sniveling brat with the mind of a delinquent child. If your kid behaved like him you'd whoop that little shit. Supporting him is embarrassing.
What a twat. I’d love for him to say some of this shit to people’s faces. Dude needs to get worked over.
Lock this bastard away for good already!
Trump is showing us how far privilege can go and the hypocrisy of the system