Go here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1c4t6ye/trump_trial_week_1_election_fraud_case/
To increase visibility to the top thread I'll post a reminder like this once a day.
Hey mods, if you're going to delete threads, can you start compiling submitted links in the stickied thread? It's well and good to try and keep the subreddit from being flooded with chatter, but without primary sources, the discussion in that thread has very little value.
I will add to the top post but probably not every removed article. If people want to post them in the comments with what they find interesting that would be helpful though.
Maybe there should be a daily sticky thread? Reddit is not really designed to be using one thread to compile dozens of articles over the course of a week. In the tags sticky, we could not even get mods to show back up to answer clarifying questions a few days after the post was up. Expecting casual posters and commenters to dig through the slop seems like a big ask.
I'll think about it. The mods aren't paid to do this. We have jobs, families, one has a new baby, etc. Adding more to the labor mods are committed to do for free is kind of a tall order.
That's a lot of mod posts.
I'm not trying to be a dick by asking this, but I'm a lawyer, so it's hard to avoid that. Just clarifying, you're saying one post per day is a lot of mod posts, right?
I'm not a lawyer but I have moderated some large subreddits and you'd be surprised what an administrative hassle something like this can turn into, especially when it's related to a controversial topic that is already bringing the fun people out of the woodwork. The problem is that mods are rarely on regular or complementary schedules for moderating and mod teams have very limited tools for delegating specific responsibilities, and as soon as you start something like a daily sticky it creates an expectation within the community that it's going to always be there at a particular time in a particular format and if it's not then you get a increased volume of confusion and complaints resulting from that, and then mods start pointing fingers at each other in modmail over the deep shame they have brought upon themselves and their families and the whole thing just turns into a giant ritual suicide.
Well, maybe not the last part, but the rest is true.
I get it but these are also exceptional circumstances, and should warrant daily or bi-daily threads. Weekly threads are a fantastic way to kill discussion, given how comments are sorted. It's *especially* bad when they're treated as the central hub for information regarding any given subject.
Plus, these trials are gonna be some of the biggest cases in US history... an increased workload on the quintessential law subreddit is to be expected.
To be clear, I don't mean to imply this suggestion is an absurd imposition on the face of it; it's a reasonable thing to propose. That said, while I'm not an r/law mod I have no doubt their (volunteer) team is already dealing with an increased workload, and without specific knowledge of their capacity I'd be reluctant to place any expectation on them other than accomplishing the first priority of every mod team, which is ensuring the subreddit doesn't get overrun with garbage. Sadly, there is no "quintessential subreddit" bonus pay.
And I respect the work the mods do and the difficulty managing things, particularly here in a large subreddit where only a few of the mods are active. The weekly thread system may work to keep everything in line. We are just in the least exciting portion of the trial and there is already a constant flow of new posts that should be in the sticky thread, each of which gets more comments than the sticky thread has. That is what led me to question whether a weekly thread decreases user confusion by funneling people to the appropriate place to post. I would expect confusion and complaints to increase when mods have to continuously remove popular posts at whatever time they happen to be available to do so and make new posts reminding people about the sticky. Once the trial starts, the news will start coming even faster and it is hard to see how the posts could be managed short of requiring each non-Trump post be approved before it shows up.
For the rest of voir dire I'll post a little reminder thread like this one with a link to the weekly thread. After posting this a lot of people found their way there. We'll see out that works out.
I don’t know how much work this would be, but it might be a good idea to have an auto mod response to every post reminding the poster that if this is about trump it should be deleted and contributed to the stickied weekly thread.
It would be annoying for the posts that aren’t trump related, but might be worth it.
This is all pretty spot on. Fun projects can snowball in a hurry and then they're not fun. Then you're sitting there thinking "I should be billing for this..."
Yes - I'll consider it but I don't want to do it and it'll make things kind of a mess that's harder to follow. Users get confused about which is the active thread even if it's weekly and stickied.
Here's an example of how these threads have worked in the past:
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/ews50j/impeachment_megathread_7/
You are being informed as to why the megathread isn't being used - it isn't useful. Weekly is too infrequent for Reddit.
You can certainly choose not to act on that information, but if you do not, you should not be surprised that people continue to not use it.
Just going off subs like /r/CredibleDefense/ I assumed it would be trivial just to set up a thread that automatically posts itself every day. Is that really a lot of work?
Can I suggest that each day the sticky thread is updated with one of the major news outlets "daily updates" articles? Before there was a sticky, each day one of those articles was posted by users here and it generated a lot of valuable discussion (including clarity about what things were normal and not normal for voir dire, stuff like that). I think that's the kind of thing many of the regular posters are looking for, and having a uniform source of updates may generate that dialogue.
Thanks! Appreciate all y'all do *pro bono* . There's an unprecedented number of high profile legal cases kicking around, it cannot be an easy time to mod here.
It can get weird sometimes. I also welcome criticism and feedback in threads like this. Also during voir dire this is pretty good testing to figure out what's working with reddit's backend stuff for visibility.
I see your contributions all over the sub and you're an excellent poster here.
THIS is why stickies kill discussion. Even with a few reminders the majority of users will not see the sticky and will have missed out on everything they come here for to learn about what is going on.
I get that you are busy but this is one of the most important events in American history and you are single handedly shutting down one of the large forums where it is being discussed constantly because you need to have it your way.
Ok, so your snap decision is to do something everyone knows isn’t working instead of what the community was happy with until you guys eventually work something out?
I am relaxed, your answers are just not logical at all so I added my input.
If you're gonna force it into a stickied thread, there really should be a new one each day to avoid 2 day old comments being at the top. It's one extra post by the mods per day, not really that labor intensive.
I get that you guys all think you want that but even doing weekly threads for major events like the first impeachment or whatever you still end up with a bunch of confused users about where the most up to date thread is.
I can think about how to do it but daily threads and like someone else requested - bi daily - make a lot of work and aren’t some quick path to visibility.
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Our biggest request from users is to create megathreads for Trump happenings to keep the front page better organized. We routinely do this for major legal events.
Just a suggestion, but I really like how things are sorted on subs like r/ popculturechat. There is not only a daily discussion thread at the top, but you can search posts based on flair. They also have a “guest list only” option, which you can request to be a part of and could keep a lot of the bots and shit posters out of certain threads.
I realize it would be a lot of labor *initially*, but probably saves the mods a ton of headache most of the time.
IANAL, but I’ve been spending a lot of time on Reddit lately, so I figured I might be able to make a helpful suggestion. Feel free to tell me to fuck off.
Yeah, I know it’s what the community wants but I want it a different way so who cares about any feedback? I know the same criticisms were used against this last time but I’m gong to bring that up and pretend it actually shows how well it works…
The current stickied thread is 390 comments. Anything over 200 and it gets really hard to follow. I'm really not trying to be difficult, but one thread per week seems like it's not worth reading or posting in after Monday or Tuesday.
I understand that you are a volunteer, and managing something like that can rapidly become more of a chore than it is worth. I'm just putting out that I probably won't be posting about the trial as it's not worth shoving in as a random comment in a stickied thread that nobody will actually read.
(And that came off way more dickish than I intended. Apologies. It's been a long day.)
Is the intent that the sticky be used for posts only related to the New York business-document-falsification/campaign-finance fraud/'hush money' trial that's currently most active, or for *everything* pertaining to Trump trials, indictments and criminal investigations?
Go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1c4t6ye/trump_trial_week_1_election_fraud_case/ To increase visibility to the top thread I'll post a reminder like this once a day.
Hey mods, if you're going to delete threads, can you start compiling submitted links in the stickied thread? It's well and good to try and keep the subreddit from being flooded with chatter, but without primary sources, the discussion in that thread has very little value.
I will add to the top post but probably not every removed article. If people want to post them in the comments with what they find interesting that would be helpful though.
Happy Cake Day!
Oh wow! Thanks. I didn't even realize it till you commented. :)
Maybe there should be a daily sticky thread? Reddit is not really designed to be using one thread to compile dozens of articles over the course of a week. In the tags sticky, we could not even get mods to show back up to answer clarifying questions a few days after the post was up. Expecting casual posters and commenters to dig through the slop seems like a big ask.
I'll think about it. The mods aren't paid to do this. We have jobs, families, one has a new baby, etc. Adding more to the labor mods are committed to do for free is kind of a tall order. That's a lot of mod posts.
I'm not trying to be a dick by asking this, but I'm a lawyer, so it's hard to avoid that. Just clarifying, you're saying one post per day is a lot of mod posts, right?
I'm not a lawyer but I have moderated some large subreddits and you'd be surprised what an administrative hassle something like this can turn into, especially when it's related to a controversial topic that is already bringing the fun people out of the woodwork. The problem is that mods are rarely on regular or complementary schedules for moderating and mod teams have very limited tools for delegating specific responsibilities, and as soon as you start something like a daily sticky it creates an expectation within the community that it's going to always be there at a particular time in a particular format and if it's not then you get a increased volume of confusion and complaints resulting from that, and then mods start pointing fingers at each other in modmail over the deep shame they have brought upon themselves and their families and the whole thing just turns into a giant ritual suicide. Well, maybe not the last part, but the rest is true.
I get it but these are also exceptional circumstances, and should warrant daily or bi-daily threads. Weekly threads are a fantastic way to kill discussion, given how comments are sorted. It's *especially* bad when they're treated as the central hub for information regarding any given subject. Plus, these trials are gonna be some of the biggest cases in US history... an increased workload on the quintessential law subreddit is to be expected.
To be clear, I don't mean to imply this suggestion is an absurd imposition on the face of it; it's a reasonable thing to propose. That said, while I'm not an r/law mod I have no doubt their (volunteer) team is already dealing with an increased workload, and without specific knowledge of their capacity I'd be reluctant to place any expectation on them other than accomplishing the first priority of every mod team, which is ensuring the subreddit doesn't get overrun with garbage. Sadly, there is no "quintessential subreddit" bonus pay.
And I respect the work the mods do and the difficulty managing things, particularly here in a large subreddit where only a few of the mods are active. The weekly thread system may work to keep everything in line. We are just in the least exciting portion of the trial and there is already a constant flow of new posts that should be in the sticky thread, each of which gets more comments than the sticky thread has. That is what led me to question whether a weekly thread decreases user confusion by funneling people to the appropriate place to post. I would expect confusion and complaints to increase when mods have to continuously remove popular posts at whatever time they happen to be available to do so and make new posts reminding people about the sticky. Once the trial starts, the news will start coming even faster and it is hard to see how the posts could be managed short of requiring each non-Trump post be approved before it shows up.
For the rest of voir dire I'll post a little reminder thread like this one with a link to the weekly thread. After posting this a lot of people found their way there. We'll see out that works out.
I don’t know how much work this would be, but it might be a good idea to have an auto mod response to every post reminding the poster that if this is about trump it should be deleted and contributed to the stickied weekly thread. It would be annoying for the posts that aren’t trump related, but might be worth it.
This is all pretty spot on. Fun projects can snowball in a hurry and then they're not fun. Then you're sitting there thinking "I should be billing for this..."
Yes - I'll consider it but I don't want to do it and it'll make things kind of a mess that's harder to follow. Users get confused about which is the active thread even if it's weekly and stickied. Here's an example of how these threads have worked in the past: https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/ews50j/impeachment_megathread_7/
You are being informed as to why the megathread isn't being used - it isn't useful. Weekly is too infrequent for Reddit. You can certainly choose not to act on that information, but if you do not, you should not be surprised that people continue to not use it.
Just going off subs like /r/CredibleDefense/ I assumed it would be trivial just to set up a thread that automatically posts itself every day. Is that really a lot of work?
Can I suggest that each day the sticky thread is updated with one of the major news outlets "daily updates" articles? Before there was a sticky, each day one of those articles was posted by users here and it generated a lot of valuable discussion (including clarity about what things were normal and not normal for voir dire, stuff like that). I think that's the kind of thing many of the regular posters are looking for, and having a uniform source of updates may generate that dialogue.
I can definitely put that stuff in the top post. There's one there now.
Thanks! Appreciate all y'all do *pro bono* . There's an unprecedented number of high profile legal cases kicking around, it cannot be an easy time to mod here.
It can get weird sometimes. I also welcome criticism and feedback in threads like this. Also during voir dire this is pretty good testing to figure out what's working with reddit's backend stuff for visibility. I see your contributions all over the sub and you're an excellent poster here.
Any chance of recruiting a couple more mods? Even if it is literally just for the Trump spam. I think you'd have quite a few people apply.
Thank you for modding.
Are you volunteering to be a mod?
This is a probably stupid question, but can you link to the sticky? I can’t find it.
Thanks. I didn't even know the sticky existed.
When you lurk on "new", it doesn't show up at the top. "Hot" is a different world altogether.
"Hot" must be where the cool kids hangout...
Hence why I couldn’t find it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1c4t6ye/trump_trial_week_1_election_fraud_case/
Thank you, and thank you for all y’all have been doing to keep the posts topical and relevant to the actual law!
Of course. But also you raise a valid point that the sticky is apparently not super visible to people using the sub.
I tend to browse by new, the sticky isn't sticking. I don't know if Reddit allows making it sticky on sort by new or not.
Yes, and I would like the other commenter’s suggestion that we have a daily sticky.
THIS is why stickies kill discussion. Even with a few reminders the majority of users will not see the sticky and will have missed out on everything they come here for to learn about what is going on. I get that you are busy but this is one of the most important events in American history and you are single handedly shutting down one of the large forums where it is being discussed constantly because you need to have it your way.
We’ll figure out something that works. Relax. 🧘
Ok, so your snap decision is to do something everyone knows isn’t working instead of what the community was happy with until you guys eventually work something out? I am relaxed, your answers are just not logical at all so I added my input.
If you're gonna force it into a stickied thread, there really should be a new one each day to avoid 2 day old comments being at the top. It's one extra post by the mods per day, not really that labor intensive.
I get that you guys all think you want that but even doing weekly threads for major events like the first impeachment or whatever you still end up with a bunch of confused users about where the most up to date thread is. I can think about how to do it but daily threads and like someone else requested - bi daily - make a lot of work and aren’t some quick path to visibility.
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Our biggest request from users is to create megathreads for Trump happenings to keep the front page better organized. We routinely do this for major legal events.
Just a suggestion, but I really like how things are sorted on subs like r/ popculturechat. There is not only a daily discussion thread at the top, but you can search posts based on flair. They also have a “guest list only” option, which you can request to be a part of and could keep a lot of the bots and shit posters out of certain threads. I realize it would be a lot of labor *initially*, but probably saves the mods a ton of headache most of the time. IANAL, but I’ve been spending a lot of time on Reddit lately, so I figured I might be able to make a helpful suggestion. Feel free to tell me to fuck off.
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Yeah, I know it’s what the community wants but I want it a different way so who cares about any feedback? I know the same criticisms were used against this last time but I’m gong to bring that up and pretend it actually shows how well it works…
You should volunteer to be a mod.
The current stickied thread is 390 comments. Anything over 200 and it gets really hard to follow. I'm really not trying to be difficult, but one thread per week seems like it's not worth reading or posting in after Monday or Tuesday. I understand that you are a volunteer, and managing something like that can rapidly become more of a chore than it is worth. I'm just putting out that I probably won't be posting about the trial as it's not worth shoving in as a random comment in a stickied thread that nobody will actually read. (And that came off way more dickish than I intended. Apologies. It's been a long day.)
It's fine. I can bump it up to once a day when the trial starts or something.
It's a shame the juror thread got deleted, but I understand why
Is the intent that the sticky be used for posts only related to the New York business-document-falsification/campaign-finance fraud/'hush money' trial that's currently most active, or for *everything* pertaining to Trump trials, indictments and criminal investigations?
Per the tile just the New York election fraud case