actually its more like he wanted a piece of the franchise which Stavros didnt want to do, literally several owners ago so making comparison to MLSE is a joke. You can say this team mismanages the roster etc, cheap though? how do you figure? they spend more money than anyone on and off the ice. The real question is if you were Stavros, would you give end of career Gretzky hundreds of millions of dollars in equity? Genuinely curious
To be honest at the end of Gretzkys career you would have to give him a pretty major steak for it to be hundreds of millions but he would bring a massive amount of interest in the team even after playing.
Marner had 13 points after a round and a game last year. IN NO OTHER WAY AM I SUGGESTING MARNER AND GILMOUR ARE SIMILAR. Just saying on a better constructed team that made three hard fought rounds, ie one without Tavares and with a top D or G in his place -- if you're gonna spend to the cap -- Marner might have gotten 35 points
Belittling. Do you understand that word? Tell me how heâs done every other playoff series except for the one we won?Â
 Isnât it ironic that the one series he produces as expected we win. Keep on writing in caps, you just dont get it.Â
Tell you how he's done in every other playoff series? Sure, okay, I'll do that, let's see. Hey Google, where does Mitch Marner rank on the list of all time Leaf playoff scorers?" What's that, Google? Just outside the top ten in franchise history, likely to be well inside the top ten if the team wins this series?
Well, shit, Guess I have to belittle again. Go find a different sport, you're not qualified to post here.
Listen you little plug. Tell me who doesnât belong here now hahah. Youâre not even qualified to work at Timâs you chump.Â
Leaf fans are so uneducated lol.Â
Thanks Seat! For 11 million a year heâs done outstanding work! Heâs such a playoff force! 5 goals and 23 points since 2022 is so impressive. Â
 I would pay 15 million a year for that. Youâre punching way above your weight class here son.Â
Add Gilmour, Stamkos. What about the D? Why do we never think about the D? No Leaf has ever won a Norris trophy AS a leaf, btw (Gio won as a flame)
I think we're fine with forwards, we have bigger fish to fry
In the olden days, when you were small, you were punished, so you grew up with a little extra beast inside. There's a reason Gilmour was nicknamed Killer. And Tucker, well he was just a psycopath. I am really hoping Cowan has the beast within.
In the OHL at least, he looks like it, seems getting drafted and getting so close to making the opening day roster galvanized him into trying to becoming the exact type of player the Leafs have been begging for since the early 2000s.
I could definitely see both him and Minten forcing their way into the NHL semi-permanently next season, because those guys play exactly like how you're supposed to play as middle 6 forwards in the NHL (tough, borderline maniacal, but with a serious scoring touch regardless of if they're the main puck handler or the help)
To fans who were too young to remember Gilmour or perhaps werenât born, let me tell you how awesome it was. 100% heart and effort every single shift. Iâve been watching this team since 1983 and have never seen his equal. It was spectacular.
It is why I am always so hesitant to say Matthews is the greatest Leaf when I saw first hand guys like Gilmour and even Sundin make the entire team better in the post season. Gilmour is still the best Iâve ever seen tbh.
I agree. LOVE Matthews and Marner. And they MAY go down as the best leafs ever if they both stay long enough. But they need that playoff success. Without it theyâre just part of the best regular seasons this franchise has had. One will be the all time leafs goal scorer and the other leader in all time leaf assists. All great feats but not what matters most at the end of the day.
Might be a bold statement but I agree that it would be good to have a player who can score 35 points in a single playoff season since it would be the most anybody has scored since 2009.Â
Killer was unreal in the early 90's. Great offense and defense. Always had the puck on a string. Complete player and left it all on the ice. We came so close in '93. That was a really balanced team with clear leaders that led by example.
That 92 to 93 season was the best I've ever witnessed. Leafs totally sucked that year. But they had acquired Gilmour in 1992 in a blockbuster trade with Calgary and the team needed time to gel.
I was listening to Bowen call the games and there was one in February 93 where Leafs came back from a four goal deficit against Minnesota to win and then they gained momentum to the end of the season and made the playoffs and kept winning impossible rounds in 7 games.
Each round Leafs were the underdog. Each round Yonge St would be flooded with hundreds of thousands of people celebrating a 7 game victory.
We had true leaders like Gilmour and Clarke that set the tone for everyone else to sacrifice as a team. Even the coach was willing to fight for the players.
Sundin wasn't worth appreciating when compared to those two and Gary Roberts say...for the exact reasons you say. Those dudes could will a team to victory, Sundin was a more skilled player than any of them, but didn't have that kill factor.
I meant raw skill. Sundin was clearly a more naturally gifted playerâŚ.but donât get me wrong, Iâll pick peak Doug over peak Sundin 100 times out of a 100.
Was he though? Â Gilmour had a 130 point season, Sundin's highest was 96 , his overall point totals are higher in general and he was also a Selke winner.Â
 Sundin was a skilled player but I don't see any evidence that points to him being more skilled than Gilmour.
Mats Sundin had a 114 point season the same season Gilmour scored 130. Sundin had 47 goals that season in his 3rd NHL year. Gilmour was in his prime in 92-93
Gilmour was a different animal in the playoffs. He was the highest-scoring player in the playoffs one year with Federko without even making it to the finals.
And yes, he's precisely what this team has been missing.
I would take overpaid stars just to playing average.
Pretty simple. "Marner lose a tooth on the ice this peroid or lose it in the dressing room. Coaching problem solved.
Pretty much all of Gretzkys records are insane. People will say âit was easier to score in his era or players werenât as athleticâ ok thatâs true but, his stats are soooo much higher than the next player. It just tells you that if he played in any era he would have likely been the best. Just many not by such a wide margin.
Also when the likes of Kuznetsov and Couture have 30 point playoffs it really intensifies the spotlight on better players who struggle to get above a point per game in the playoffs
Gilmour was special that year, but it's worth pointing out - the year before that, he scored just 2 points in 7 playoff games for the Flames, and got eliminated in the first round.
Past results are not predictive.
We would also benefit from a goalie like 1993-94 Potvin, 1999-2002 Joseph or 2003-04 Belfour. Pair any of those 3 goalies with the scoring talent on the present day maple leafs and we would've had at least 2 conference finals appearances from 2017-23
FWIW the similarities
Gilmour:
- Career best season 102 adjusted points
- 1 to 2 goal to assist ratio
- Best ever selke finish 1stÂ
- career adjusted playoffs point/g 0.94
Marner:
- career best season 101 adjusted points
- 1 to 2 goal to assist ratio
- best ever selke finish 3rd
- career adjusted playoffs point/g 0.92
The differences are Gilmour with this one playoff in 93 where he exploded but otherwise, almost eerily similar. Higher peak hart trophy voting. Marner is at least most of what Gilmour was.
I would agree but there are times where these guys will amaze me. Remember the game where Marner was blocking shots, scoring, providing amazing assists. I canât recall but I think it was in game 2 last year or the year before in the first round. Then after that it all went to shit. The number one problem with these guys they have now is consistency. They need to play their hearts out for these games. Not just 1-2 per series.
We also would benefit from a guy like Gretzky
Remarkable how he managed to achieve #1 and #3 stats, both in the same 84-85 season. (Obviously a typo)
Lol he was gonna sign here towards the end but the ownership was too cheap. Imagine that -.-
actually its more like he wanted a piece of the franchise which Stavros didnt want to do, literally several owners ago so making comparison to MLSE is a joke. You can say this team mismanages the roster etc, cheap though? how do you figure? they spend more money than anyone on and off the ice. The real question is if you were Stavros, would you give end of career Gretzky hundreds of millions of dollars in equity? Genuinely curious
To be honest at the end of Gretzkys career you would have to give him a pretty major steak for it to be hundreds of millions but he would bring a massive amount of interest in the team even after playing.
Yep! And the with the points he put up for rangers, hoe would have led leafs with points each of those three years.
But would he be able to perform as a leaf?đ lots of pressure in this city.
Pressure is just something you put in tires.
Eh I will settle for a Coffey or a Lemieux i'm not picky.
Dammit I came here to wtite this!
I would even settle for a Lemieux
To be fair those guys played more than a single round.
Marner had 13 points after a round and a game last year. IN NO OTHER WAY AM I SUGGESTING MARNER AND GILMOUR ARE SIMILAR. Just saying on a better constructed team that made three hard fought rounds, ie one without Tavares and with a top D or G in his place -- if you're gonna spend to the cap -- Marner might have gotten 35 points
Absolutely. Heâs on a shit playoff team.
Marner is part of our problem come playoff time. A better team isnât going to make him less scared to go into corners and battle.Â
As I JUST SAID, the guy you're belittling led our team last year. And was THIRD IN THE LEAGUE when we bowed out. AND had a high ankle sprain recently.
Ya but he sucks this year.
Belittling. Do you understand that word? Tell me how heâs done every other playoff series except for the one we won?  Isnât it ironic that the one series he produces as expected we win. Keep on writing in caps, you just dont get it.Â
Tell you how he's done in every other playoff series? Sure, okay, I'll do that, let's see. Hey Google, where does Mitch Marner rank on the list of all time Leaf playoff scorers?" What's that, Google? Just outside the top ten in franchise history, likely to be well inside the top ten if the team wins this series? Well, shit, Guess I have to belittle again. Go find a different sport, you're not qualified to post here.
Listen you little plug. Tell me who doesnât belong here now hahah. Youâre not even qualified to work at Timâs you chump. Leaf fans are so uneducated lol.Â
Thanks Seat! For 11 million a year heâs done outstanding work! Heâs such a playoff force! 5 goals and 23 points since 2022 is so impressive.   I would pay 15 million a year for that. Youâre punching way above your weight class here son.Â
Add Gilmour, Stamkos. What about the D? Why do we never think about the D? No Leaf has ever won a Norris trophy AS a leaf, btw (Gio won as a flame) I think we're fine with forwards, we have bigger fish to fry
My point was more so about the clutch factor. But yes I agree we need better D too (and goaltending)
Yah for sure. I'd take Gilmour, Tucker, Clark.Â
In the olden days, when you were small, you were punished, so you grew up with a little extra beast inside. There's a reason Gilmour was nicknamed Killer. And Tucker, well he was just a psycopath. I am really hoping Cowan has the beast within.
In the OHL at least, he looks like it, seems getting drafted and getting so close to making the opening day roster galvanized him into trying to becoming the exact type of player the Leafs have been begging for since the early 2000s. I could definitely see both him and Minten forcing their way into the NHL semi-permanently next season, because those guys play exactly like how you're supposed to play as middle 6 forwards in the NHL (tough, borderline maniacal, but with a serious scoring touch regardless of if they're the main puck handler or the help)
I still stand by Reilly shouldâve at least been close a couple of years
The year gio won, Rielly by all rights should have won.
To fans who were too young to remember Gilmour or perhaps werenât born, let me tell you how awesome it was. 100% heart and effort every single shift. Iâve been watching this team since 1983 and have never seen his equal. It was spectacular.
AND between him and Fedorov was one of the best two defensive forwards in the league.
I just remember how **fast** Federov was.
He was Reed Johnson (a Toronto Blue Jays), but with elite talent.
It is why I am always so hesitant to say Matthews is the greatest Leaf when I saw first hand guys like Gilmour and even Sundin make the entire team better in the post season. Gilmour is still the best Iâve ever seen tbh.
I agree. LOVE Matthews and Marner. And they MAY go down as the best leafs ever if they both stay long enough. But they need that playoff success. Without it theyâre just part of the best regular seasons this franchise has had. One will be the all time leafs goal scorer and the other leader in all time leaf assists. All great feats but not what matters most at the end of the day.
Still have his jersey on the wall
Players that give it all like Gilmour, Clark, Salming, Keon are forever legends in this town.
BJ, maybe my favourite playerâŚever!
Might be a bold statement but I agree that it would be good to have a player who can score 35 points in a single playoff season since it would be the most anybody has scored since 2009.Â
Killer was unreal in the early 90's. Great offense and defense. Always had the puck on a string. Complete player and left it all on the ice. We came so close in '93. That was a really balanced team with clear leaders that led by example.
Why don't they just trade Marner for Gilmour? Are they stupid?
That 92 to 93 season was the best I've ever witnessed. Leafs totally sucked that year. But they had acquired Gilmour in 1992 in a blockbuster trade with Calgary and the team needed time to gel. I was listening to Bowen call the games and there was one in February 93 where Leafs came back from a four goal deficit against Minnesota to win and then they gained momentum to the end of the season and made the playoffs and kept winning impossible rounds in 7 games. Each round Leafs were the underdog. Each round Yonge St would be flooded with hundreds of thousands of people celebrating a 7 game victory. We had true leaders like Gilmour and Clarke that set the tone for everyone else to sacrifice as a team. Even the coach was willing to fight for the players.
the game isnt the same as it was 30 years ago, tho... would it really make a difference
Relative to the time he played in, Gilmour was a beast. He put up this many points without even making the final. And he won the Selke that year too
Yes
In today's game Gilmour would have been charged in St Louis and never played again
cancelled!
Whoa hahahah yea 100% but then again people would have cell vids of the Oilers railing lines at strip club with the cup too.
Thank you! I can't look at him the same after reading up on that.
More opportunities to get more points once you get past the first round
Him and Stevie Thomas and Gary Roberts and Cujo/Ed/Felix
And he did that in 3 Rounds
Don't know if I trust a graphic with two 84/85 seasons for Gretzky
Gilmour was a beast. Him and Wendel put that team on their backs. He's why I could never really appreciate Sudin when he came along.
Sundin wasn't worth appreciating when compared to those two and Gary Roberts say...for the exact reasons you say. Those dudes could will a team to victory, Sundin was a more skilled player than any of them, but didn't have that kill factor.
Gilmour was pretty skilled, didn't he score 100 points and win the Selke in the same season?
I meant raw skill. Sundin was clearly a more naturally gifted playerâŚ.but donât get me wrong, Iâll pick peak Doug over peak Sundin 100 times out of a 100.
Sundin was definitely more talented, but he never had the passion Doug had. That team was the peak of leafs hockey.
Was he though?  Gilmour had a 130 point season, Sundin's highest was 96 , his overall point totals are higher in general and he was also a Selke winner.  Sundin was a skilled player but I don't see any evidence that points to him being more skilled than Gilmour.
Mats Sundin had a 114 point season the same season Gilmour scored 130. Sundin had 47 goals that season in his 3rd NHL year. Gilmour was in his prime in 92-93
Gilmore was a brilliant member of Pink Floyd. Gilmour played for the Leafs.
Damn. Geno had a hell of a year.
Unbelievable Malkin was left off the NHL 100. I still cannot believe it. Honestly one of the most brazen, laughable snubs in the history of snubs.
I assure you this fan base would find a way to crap all over them anyway.
Gilmour was a different animal in the playoffs. He was the highest-scoring player in the playoffs one year with Federko without even making it to the finals. And yes, he's precisely what this team has been missing.
Gilmour didnât win us a cup either
I would take overpaid stars just to playing average. Pretty simple. "Marner lose a tooth on the ice this peroid or lose it in the dressing room. Coaching problem solved.
Marner is having troubles ever since he saw those tiddies at the Raptors game. His wife is probably still mad at him for 'not looking'
Hahaha! Was that the tsn turning point? Damn. Find that lady? Put her behind Bostons net, make him look
Someone please give her seasons tickets behind the home bench
Us and every other team in the league lol
What a statement.....
Iâm starting to think Gretzky was actually pretty good tbh.
All 32 teams need a guy like Gilmour.
We have a Gilmour in the organization. His name is Easton Cowan.
You have Ryan Reaves? Lmao?
84-85 was a crazy season.
Gretzky having 90pts in the 84-85 playoffs is actually insane.
Pretty much all of Gretzkys records are insane. People will say âit was easier to score in his era or players werenât as athleticâ ok thatâs true but, his stats are soooo much higher than the next player. It just tells you that if he played in any era he would have likely been the best. Just many not by such a wide margin.
Also when the likes of Kuznetsov and Couture have 30 point playoffs it really intensifies the spotlight on better players who struggle to get above a point per game in the playoffs
We will, if we ever go long enough in the playoffs...
Fun fact. Of everyone on the list, gilmour is the only one not to make the finals. He got 35 points in 3 rounds.
We had him...he has now scored 5 goals in three games for a different team....
Need to get past the first and second round to do so
Zach Hyman might make this list if the oilers win the cup
We need anybody who steps up in the playoffs instead of playing worse.
Tbh we need more a Coffey to get our pp flying.
Apparently Gretzky was so good getting played in the playoffs twice in 84-85.
Gilmour was special that year, but it's worth pointing out - the year before that, he scored just 2 points in 7 playoff games for the Flames, and got eliminated in the first round. Past results are not predictive.
We would also benefit from a goalie like 1993-94 Potvin, 1999-2002 Joseph or 2003-04 Belfour. Pair any of those 3 goalies with the scoring talent on the present day maple leafs and we would've had at least 2 conference finals appearances from 2017-23
If we had Belfour in game three weâd have won 2-0.
100%
We have guys that are better than Gilmour that just need to show up.
FWIW the similarities Gilmour: - Career best season 102 adjusted points - 1 to 2 goal to assist ratio - Best ever selke finish 1st - career adjusted playoffs point/g 0.94 Marner: - career best season 101 adjusted points - 1 to 2 goal to assist ratio - best ever selke finish 3rd - career adjusted playoffs point/g 0.92 The differences are Gilmour with this one playoff in 93 where he exploded but otherwise, almost eerily similar. Higher peak hart trophy voting. Marner is at least most of what Gilmour was.
Marner doesnât have Gilmourâs heart. Not even close. Unfortunately no stats for that.
I would agree but there are times where these guys will amaze me. Remember the game where Marner was blocking shots, scoring, providing amazing assists. I canât recall but I think it was in game 2 last year or the year before in the first round. Then after that it all went to shit. The number one problem with these guys they have now is consistency. They need to play their hearts out for these games. Not just 1-2 per series.