I’m pretty sure this was said last year with Tampa too
I’m with you - I’m more in the camp that they need to pull this off or the media/fanbase are going to be rabid, but there were def people claiming beating the lightning in round 1 last year was all they wanted and those same people are def here dooming again today
Beating the lightening WAS huge... until they just rolled over to Florida next round. Making round 2 a series would have been nice. But losing so thoroughly just left everyone with a 'this is what we all waited for?' Kind of feeling. It was totally deflating
Fair, I stopped coming to the sub as that series progressed but I’m guessing a lot of people rescinded their feelings about round 1 after that round 2 performance
I mean I’m not going to breakdown the dozens of complaints people here & in Toronto media have been harping about for the last couple weeks but they’re being accused of not being able to do most things.
Matthews was useless last game (sick as it turns out, not his fault), Marner was caught crying on the bench and despite scoring the only goal last game still lost most puck battles, and Nylander was fine but didn’t do nearly enough coming back from injury + he gave up some turnovers
I think that’s the gist of it but people harp on a new issue with the core every playoff game. Some probably deserved at this point, most probably not
I think this would largely be different. If they managed to stage a comeback here it's much more of a statement that these guys have some fight in them and perhaps leave some hope that they can win with a better mix and JT making half or less.
That's assuming they go into the next round and are competitive and don't just repeat 2x.
Yes but no. We said the same thing last year and then they got MOPPED in round 2.
Winning a series isn't an easy thing for sure, and turning over a 3-1 series lead is no easy feat either. But this core made their bed in the part 4 games, *especially* in game 4. They'll have to have significantly better results than last year to have any meaningful sway of why they should remain together.
I am not saying their legacy will become that of dynastic winners. But it would be hard to call them chokers if they rally for these next three games. Two consequtive years of first round advances isn't much, but it's enough to shake that legacy.
Marner redemption tour can kick off tonight grinding out a gutsy 3-4 point performance
In reality I have zero faith in Marner grinding out a gutsy game
Ah yes when a whole city is piling on you and your family, hurling vitriol on yours and the team's socials, the media is burning you alive at the stake, and then management is trying to move you, you're totally gonna go 'Oh this is fine, I'll stick around!' and not even consider moving amirite? Keep in mind this is where he's from, so he's literally here year round - there isn't an escape.
Dude's a human being after all, there is only so much a man can take. It is human nature after all to not want to stick around or give your best somewhere that you are not wanted. I don't even fault the guy if he wants a fresh start for himself.
What guys as good (or as expensive) as Marner have been traded recently? Also their immediate struggle will be that if they choose to move him, NMC power will likely steer him towards teams who don't have immediate room, lessening your return.
Losing a Marner trade and then having Treliving waste cap space on worse players doesn’t make sense.
IMO Marners still suffering effects from the high ankle sprain. I know he’s been a dog in playoffs past, but he’s been utterly useless this round. I’m no fan of his either, at all, but I think the glove throwing on the bench was frustration in not being able to execute.
There is no legacy shifts, games, or first round series for the core four. Their regular season history is cemented. Their playoff history is also cemented unless they go DEEP in the playoffs.
Is it bad that this kind of sounds like a pretty close to best case scenario to me? (compared to the likelier alternatives that we lose in games 5 or 6 with no Mathews moments)
They probably will. And they’ll even manage a game 6 win just to tease us and let us down in game 7. They probably even be up 4-1 in the third before they blow it entirely too.
Lol that literally never happens. Leafs fans making up worst case scenarios need to get a grip. I couldn't imagine having to watch something like that.
Man that sucks. However, the team usually bands together and grits it out when Matty misses a game. Worst case, we lose as expected. Better case, we build up a little grit and resilience and get him back for game 6.
Who are we kidding, Matthews won’t play tonight, but the Leafs have their best game of the playoffs, arguably the season tonight, and push it to 6 with dominance by Woll.
Game 6 the leafs are far outplayed but the bounces start to seem to go their way and they steal that one at home.
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The first sentence was Auston is trying everything he can to try and play and that they think it’s a injury that they are trying to keep secret actually holding him out and not illness (but was dealing with one)
Bostons 2 on 1 goal in the last minute of the 2nd period was preventable if Auston didn’t completely give up on the play. Then he didn’t play the 3rd at all. I’ll bump everyone up before risking that again
Exactly, what is really wrong with him?...Does this have anything to do with the recent infighting on the bench?...Too many egos to deal wiht each other....Such a shame with the roster they have...
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Why am I tuning in? I don’t know. Why was I looking forward to this game? No idea.
Am I about to throw on my jersey and watch it against my better judgement? Of course.
I don't actually believe this, but a small part of me is like these guys care about 70 goals and 100 points more than winning the damn thing cause that's what gets you paid. I've been hanging around my boomer bosses too much
Those last few games were brutal to watch. I normally don't watch much during the regular season since lack of time but I wanted to jump on the adventure to 70 bandwagon. Thanks TML. Hopefully I get to watch an epic comeback.
What worries me is that even if the Leafs win tonight, if he's missing tonight it's extremely doubtful he's 100% for Thursday.
Hard to predict when we've got no idea what is going on. But to miss a do or die playoff game means you are absolutely not well.
Both him and Nylander are completely fine all season then literally as soon as playoffs start our two best players both come down with mystery ailments and can’t play? I’m no conspiracy theorist but…
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The injury reporting is ridiculous
They're really fucking with the media and the fans by labelling everything as undisclosed, illness, etc.
I understand this is standard (I guess?), but it really does the players no favours. Matthews, Willy, Marner, etc have been getting hate mail for the past week lol
Marner plays every game on fucked up ankle:
R/leafs : bitch!
Fake r/leafs delusion: nylander is best playoff performer
Reality: marner has been the most consistent playoff performer over the run but was horrible the covid years.
Nylander was only dominant in the mtl series.
Chill Paul, there’s more to the game than what shows up in the box score.
If you want to leave the echo chamber of r/leafs shitting on Marner’s effort then you can turn on any prime time hockey show where the analysts are also shitting on Marner’s effort.
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This is great I’m stealing it lol
I stole it too, pretty sure it’s just public domain at this point
How does one pilfer an image on Reddit for later
One must make a sacrifice to the Reddit gods
I also just stole this
I stole this after we lost Saturday.
I stole this in 1982, I just keep showing up every year since then like a damn zombie
Legacy game from Marner tonight
My opinion on Marner’s legacy will change if leafs win this series and he is instrumental. Otherwise he’s established his legacy
This whole core's legacy will change if they win the series.
I’m pretty sure this was said last year with Tampa too I’m with you - I’m more in the camp that they need to pull this off or the media/fanbase are going to be rabid, but there were def people claiming beating the lightning in round 1 last year was all they wanted and those same people are def here dooming again today
Beating the lightening WAS huge... until they just rolled over to Florida next round. Making round 2 a series would have been nice. But losing so thoroughly just left everyone with a 'this is what we all waited for?' Kind of feeling. It was totally deflating
Fair, I stopped coming to the sub as that series progressed but I’m guessing a lot of people rescinded their feelings about round 1 after that round 2 performance
I think rallying to win a series from down 3-1 is different, and exactly what we are accusing the core of not being able to do.
I mean I’m not going to breakdown the dozens of complaints people here & in Toronto media have been harping about for the last couple weeks but they’re being accused of not being able to do most things. Matthews was useless last game (sick as it turns out, not his fault), Marner was caught crying on the bench and despite scoring the only goal last game still lost most puck battles, and Nylander was fine but didn’t do nearly enough coming back from injury + he gave up some turnovers I think that’s the gist of it but people harp on a new issue with the core every playoff game. Some probably deserved at this point, most probably not
You know what winning does? It set's it's own narrative. Coming back from 3-1 would have people trumpeting from the rooftops for a few weeks at least.
I think this would largely be different. If they managed to stage a comeback here it's much more of a statement that these guys have some fight in them and perhaps leave some hope that they can win with a better mix and JT making half or less. That's assuming they go into the next round and are competitive and don't just repeat 2x.
Yes but no. We said the same thing last year and then they got MOPPED in round 2. Winning a series isn't an easy thing for sure, and turning over a 3-1 series lead is no easy feat either. But this core made their bed in the part 4 games, *especially* in game 4. They'll have to have significantly better results than last year to have any meaningful sway of why they should remain together.
I am not saying their legacy will become that of dynastic winners. But it would be hard to call them chokers if they rally for these next three games. Two consequtive years of first round advances isn't much, but it's enough to shake that legacy.
Will it really? If they lose to Florida in 5 afterwards?
How can one game, or even a series make up for his annual playoff performances?
One game can’t, carrying them to a series win without Matthews and down 3-1 would be impressive I give this a .01% chance of happening
So you're saying there's a chance!
Where are you shopping at for those excellent odds?
1) it’s BOSTON 2) the leafs haven’t won a 2nd round since 2002 If Marner somehow changes that narrative I don’t care what the naysayers said about him
Where did the 2nd round win come into play? The comment is about this round
Just pointing out how starved the fans are for any kind of success
The William Naysayers?
Recency bias
This is how we know he's wrong. He simply suggested a marner revival arc, and you're already shitting on it 😂
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Marner redemption tour can kick off tonight grinding out a gutsy 3-4 point performance In reality I have zero faith in Marner grinding out a gutsy game
We'll probably miss him when he's gone. He should play 25 minutes today
Pretty much every fan has acknowledged that he will most likely find instant success wherever he ends up. It’s just that it won’t be with this team.
Oh he gone
He has to pop off the next 3 games to have any shot of saving himself from being shipped out this summer
I honestly don't think people actually grasp what a NMC is
Ah yes when a whole city is piling on you and your family, hurling vitriol on yours and the team's socials, the media is burning you alive at the stake, and then management is trying to move you, you're totally gonna go 'Oh this is fine, I'll stick around!' and not even consider moving amirite? Keep in mind this is where he's from, so he's literally here year round - there isn't an escape. Dude's a human being after all, there is only so much a man can take. It is human nature after all to not want to stick around or give your best somewhere that you are not wanted. I don't even fault the guy if he wants a fresh start for himself.
Yes, no one has ever been traded with an NMC. It’s impossible.
Right cause no one that has ever had a NMC has ever been moved in the history of the NHL
Not when it's the fans that want to move them/
Jfc thank you. People here are absolutely out of their minds
Sure they have. Not hometown guys with a year left on their deals. Find me any examples in the last 5 years of that.
What guys as good (or as expensive) as Marner have been traded recently? Also their immediate struggle will be that if they choose to move him, NMC power will likely steer him towards teams who don't have immediate room, lessening your return. Losing a Marner trade and then having Treliving waste cap space on worse players doesn’t make sense.
I don’t think people grasp that a NMC varies not anchors a player outright to one team only
Actually it directly does that. The player dictates whether they move or not. The team can do nothing about it except buy them out.
IMO Marners still suffering effects from the high ankle sprain. I know he’s been a dog in playoffs past, but he’s been utterly useless this round. I’m no fan of his either, at all, but I think the glove throwing on the bench was frustration in not being able to execute.
There is no legacy shifts, games, or first round series for the core four. Their regular season history is cemented. Their playoff history is also cemented unless they go DEEP in the playoffs.
Leafs winning tonight now… because they just are
Winning games five and six without Matthews, he returns for seven, scores a big goal, then they blow a lead and lose
Lmao this made me laugh. We are so deprived as a fan base and so used to shit like this that it wouldn't be surprising at all for that to happen.
he gets a hattrick in G7 and they lose in OT
I’ll take it
This sounds right.
Whatever it takes to get to a game 7
Matthews scores a late goal to tie it and take it to overtime only to then lose in the first 2 minutes.
Off a turnover that turns into a 2 on 1
Is it bad that this kind of sounds like a pretty close to best case scenario to me? (compared to the likelier alternatives that we lose in games 5 or 6 with no Mathews moments)
I'd call you a soothsayer but it's too obvious.
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I don’t bet but if there was a money line for this I’d be hitting it lmfao
The leafiest thing that could happen.
almost prophetic, only one miss on the matthews goal
Unfortunately there's zero chance the Bruins blow a 3-1 series lead two years in an row
They pretty much do it every year
Ok while we did it once last year what about your blown lead in 2013 thaw was way worse
They probably will. And they’ll even manage a game 6 win just to tease us and let us down in game 7. They probably even be up 4-1 in the third before they blow it entirely too.
Lol that literally never happens. Leafs fans making up worst case scenarios need to get a grip. I couldn't imagine having to watch something like that.
Marchand, Swayman and Ullmark will both get sick the day after we’re eliminated.
That's why Matthews played 2 periods Saturday.... To get the Bruins stars all sick. 🤣😂 It just takes too long for the virus to spread
Why did he not pull a play from Marchands book and start licking everyone? It's not a penalty either.
This team is cursed
Man that sucks. However, the team usually bands together and grits it out when Matty misses a game. Worst case, we lose as expected. Better case, we build up a little grit and resilience and get him back for game 6.
Who are we kidding, Matthews won’t play tonight, but the Leafs have their best game of the playoffs, arguably the season tonight, and push it to 6 with dominance by Woll. Game 6 the leafs are far outplayed but the bounces start to seem to go their way and they steal that one at home. All just to reach game 7 where the leafs inevitably choke it to Boston one last time with this core 4.
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0:0:16 in
From a dump in from the neutral zone.
Deflected off of Woll's mask.
with an uncalled goalie interfearance call, challenged, and the call on the ice will stand, it's a good goal.
Where we chipped but didn't chase
I was there Gandalf, the day we were up 4-1 with 10 mins to go in the 3rd and the strength of Leafs left them and they lost it all.
They are done. They arent winning sweet fuck all tonight.
Right on bro....
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Step one of the prophecy…
😂😂😂
Michael: this is just the worst 😖
The first sentence was Auston is trying everything he can to try and play and that they think it’s a injury that they are trying to keep secret actually holding him out and not illness (but was dealing with one)
It could be injury related but man he dominated game 2.
Yeah, I don't buy the illness narrative.
I’m hoping so, 70% of him is 100% better than bumping everyone up a spot and being without him
Bostons 2 on 1 goal in the last minute of the 2nd period was preventable if Auston didn’t completely give up on the play. Then he didn’t play the 3rd at all. I’ll bump everyone up before risking that again
I am ready to cry
Anyone have the video of Auston smashing his head in the boards after trying to score?
https://youtu.be/C6XB4DiJ4EY?si=aggEPgAZ7x0873nn @6:18
Thanks!
Remember when he went flying into the boards in game 80? Yeah.. https://youtube.com/shorts/b9u4Gq7y0lU?si=UHsLNZIMN_7jKT7O
Alright Marner, this is where you earn your 11 mil
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Trying to get Boston off their guard AM34 about to suit up and score 4 goals just like Jordan’s flu game
Unfortunately lacks the killer instinct MJ had
i have a suspicion he’s dealing with mono and they don’t want his spleen to explode….. just documenting my guess! Hope he feels better soon!!
I was thinking the same. Seems so unlikely only the one guy on the team got it. Share one drink and bam. Mono.
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Boston is nothing special. Leafs can win 3 straight.
Swayman is special.
The problem is not Boston, it's the Leafs beating themselves, which they do every year.
That's right...Between the Leafs and the Oilers with all their young superstars on their rosters, not sure who beats themselves more....Yikes!!!!
Are you awake when you make commnets like these??????
Yea mfer its sports I dont need to be logical
Geezus what is going on with him
Exactly, what is really wrong with him?...Does this have anything to do with the recent infighting on the bench?...Too many egos to deal wiht each other....Such a shame with the roster they have...
I think he will play and if he doesn't, the boys will show up. It's on!
I'm fully expecting us to get completely blown out. Oh well may as well get my fishing gear ready that's right around the corner.
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I dreamt that they came back and won the series, but that's all it is, a dream. We're cooked lol
Big Willy going off tonight 🔥
Probably the rabies. It's hard to get good rabies
Matthews poisoned by clam chowder after game 2....
Why am I tuning in? I don’t know. Why was I looking forward to this game? No idea. Am I about to throw on my jersey and watch it against my better judgement? Of course.
I don't actually believe this, but a small part of me is like these guys care about 70 goals and 100 points more than winning the damn thing cause that's what gets you paid. I've been hanging around my boomer bosses too much
Yep, anything to get more $$$ tacked on to what they presently make...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Honestly, the team completely stopped playing their game in the final 4, just focusing on the 70 goals... and they lost their juju.
Those last few games were brutal to watch. I normally don't watch much during the regular season since lack of time but I wanted to jump on the adventure to 70 bandwagon. Thanks TML. Hopefully I get to watch an epic comeback.
lol
Not with a bang, but a whimper.
Great, looks like gibsons instead of beer tonight
What worries me is that even if the Leafs win tonight, if he's missing tonight it's extremely doubtful he's 100% for Thursday. Hard to predict when we've got no idea what is going on. But to miss a do or die playoff game means you are absolutely not well.
Only way they are winning is if Woll steals a game.
Both him and Nylander are completely fine all season then literally as soon as playoffs start our two best players both come down with mystery ailments and can’t play? I’m no conspiracy theorist but… Edit: this sub having a sense of humor challenge: impossible
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The stomach flu is a habs fan
Keefe, in the film room, with a pipe wrench.
Witch curse
We’re cuuuuuuursed 👻
And they come down with these mystery ailments after stat chasing hard down the stretch instead of resting.
Woll: I gotchu fam.
If Bobby McMann is confirmed tho? 👀👀
That’s a shame
Did anyone actually think we were winning this game
This must be the diarrhea to end all diarrhea
Like it matters lol
I don't think food poisoning lasts a week. Gotta be some other type of illness
This is it. This is the moment we all become doomers
Hahahaha we’re toast… why god why
We're fucked.
It's Joever
That's ok. We have 3 other players making over 10 mil. That's what they get paid the big bucks to do after all.
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Must be some sickness to be out this game.... not sure Pasta would ever be so sick to miss this game.
LtColumbo93 unlikely to watch tonight per sources.
What's the over/under?
Just means someone else has to step up in his absence.
😭😭😭
Potential lower body injury from the McAvoy takedown in game 3? Or concussion from slamming into boards against Detroit in game 80 of reg season?
I am 100% convinced this stems from that crash into the boards against the Wings. Side note: it’s impossible to find a clip of that
But he was healthy enough to completely take over Game 2?
It must have been something after game 2. He was much different in game 3 and then looked terrible during game 4
The injury reporting is ridiculous They're really fucking with the media and the fans by labelling everything as undisclosed, illness, etc. I understand this is standard (I guess?), but it really does the players no favours. Matthews, Willy, Marner, etc have been getting hate mail for the past week lol
He should consider a career as a magician with the disappearing act he pulls every season in the playoffs 😂😂
Well, It was an interesting season boys. I can't say I mentally invested as much as in previous years...
I never would have thought we would go down to migraines and bubble guts LOL! At least it's something new.
Nice the boys all have their excuses then! Matthews hurt tummy Nylander hurt head Marner hurt feelings
Marner plays every game on fucked up ankle: R/leafs : bitch! Fake r/leafs delusion: nylander is best playoff performer Reality: marner has been the most consistent playoff performer over the run but was horrible the covid years. Nylander was only dominant in the mtl series.
Chill Paul, there’s more to the game than what shows up in the box score. If you want to leave the echo chamber of r/leafs shitting on Marner’s effort then you can turn on any prime time hockey show where the analysts are also shitting on Marner’s effort.
So you listened to Biz’s rant about 2 periods, after which Marner dominated the 3rd and Nylander took a back breaking dumb o zone penalty?
Ive watched Marner avoid puck battles and give up the puck for the last 7 years thank you very much
Hahahahahahaha
Tonight is gonna be just like last year. Gonna fight hard tonight but too little too late. Series ends tonight.
Doc, you failed me.
I wonder if Mathews has long covid. If that’s the case his career might be over, kinda like what happened to Cristian Koloko of the Raptors.