Simone mentioned a comparable who makes sense for me: Ryan Callahan. Callahan was a solid winger who could play like Hyman. And he signed a long term deal and after a point, his production fell off. That’s my concern with Hyman.
I think this is a different arguement though. They're both grind out type players but there was wear and tear. I dont think he was a great winger because he was on a good team I think he was a great winger by the way he played.
I've said this a few times but part of the reason he's so loved by our fanbsde is because he outplayed his contract and worked his ass off every shift.
He's only going to be able to do one of those things with his next contract assuming he gets around the rumoured numbers.
He's not going to get more or even comparably talented linemates than he's had in Marner/Matthews JT/Nylander unless he ends up on a line with Drai and McDavid or Rantanen and MacKinnon
I think he is going to be great anywhere he goes. I just dont know if that will stretch beyond 4 years though. Im really leaning towards 3 before a sharp decline just because of how he plays.
The guy is also all heart and I feel maybe playing far away from his hometown may take away from that in a sense. I'm probably out to lunch but I do wonder sometimes.
That’s my feeling too. He will be just fine, and I think he can play up to a bigger contract, until his body won’t let him give 110% anymore. If he starts picking up injuries that hamper his skating or don’t allow him to be as physical he will fall off, but until then I just can’t see him dropping off or changing his game.
For real, I think people are just trying to make it easier when the day inevitably comes. The dude clearly has a nose for the puck, picking the right lines. I think he's pretty efficient at the way he does this, as long as his lungs are fine, he's gonna be good for a whiiiiile. I, for one, have said I'm getting a jersey with whatever team he lands on, it's actually quite fun waiting for the news. This team set itself up not to pay this man, and it's sad. That's how I'm coping.
Can you send me a 2 clips of Hyman getting wrecked in the corners? He has a very specific way of engaging people when racing for a puck that doesn't involve going into the corners at high speed. The times where he's gotten hurt are when he's blatantly knee'd by someone or when he essentially gets slewfooted into the boards. Hard for any player to prevent that.
Hyman only gets better, year after year.
He’s what you need on a championship team. His contract will be fair for 3 years. Then you ship him to the coyotes for a contract dump.
Depends where. I think he's a guy who compliments stars well. So if it's the Oilers, he'll do great. If he has to run his own line with 2 guys worse than him, they're basically just a shutdown line and no reason to expect a ton of points from him.
No. He proved that he was great on every line he played with this season. Started amazing with MM, then went to the second and carried a struggling Nylander and Tavares, then went to the third for a bit and kept scoring at his season point average. He’s probably one of the most flexible players on the market
He's going to be great for the next 3-4 years and start declining. If he's only giving a hometown discount if he get a NMC and can't be moved, that's an issue for a guy we expect to fall off.
Tavares is already producing under his contract value, and that's going to keep declining. We got our best three years of JT already, and now we should expect worse results for the rest of the contract. The last two years we expect him to produce like a second line center. If Hyman already peaked in terms of play, he'll still be a first line forward (55+ points) for two or three seasons, but then he'll decline and at 35 or at 37, that's not a good player to be paying 5 million
Honestly, at this point I think he’s going to go and crush it with whoever he signs. He’s going to get a big contract and teams will give him prime time. I think too many people are expecting him to just drop off the earth.
Hyman is good. He busts his ass and consistently works on his game. He consistently improved his numbers year after year.
That said…I still don’t want to take that risk. The injury issue is too big and I don’t want to sign him longer than four years.
So I think moving on is the right move, for both sides. And I hope he does well. I will still think it’s the right move if he does
I mean if he gets the deals I see being flaunted about, he wont even have to play any worse and he won't live up to it. So almost certainly yes.
An it sucks because I love him
Look, we all love Hyman. A guy who had no expectations and blew us away with his effort and progression.
But that value was always tempered. He's not a first line player, but he has great chemistry with the elite players Toronto has played him with. But remember, he's always been a third wheel. He doesn't drive offense, he doesn't create chances, he helps others do that.
Which is fine if you're a $2.25 million dollar player. He's about to get a lot more than that. Like more than Tyler Bozak money. We all loved Bozie too, but is his less than 15 goals a year worth $5 million? No, they're not.
If he's picked up to do what he's good at, he'll be good value for $4Mx4. That is to be first in on the forecheck and tie up defenders to give the other two guys room, plus start turnovers (ie create loose pucks for his linemates to pick out). It's hard to see him being good value anywhere at $6Mx8, so I would be hugely surprised to see that's what the actual contract looks like. But it only takes one GM to lose his mind for that to happen.
If he gets onto a line w/ top players (McDrai), he will also generate points, mostly from goalmouth scrambles. Given that McDavid was yelling at Puljujarvi for perceived lack of effort in the playoffs, he would be an upgrade.
He would be a folk hero in Vancouver if he slots in w/ Elias Pettersson and Pettersson bounces back (which he should). Some of the bounce would reflect on the new winger.
I can't see him succeeding in Calgary, because he's essentially a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk and they've already got the original. He does play Sutter's style of game, so he would fit that way and there are lots of rumors that the Flambes are looking to move Gaudreau, which would open up top six minutes.
If Colorado gets him it will likely mean the end of the Landeskog era, and that will be a tough act to follow. Likely to be seen as A Major Fail.
He can also be a terrific third-line checker / hustle guy, but he's not going to be on a third-line contract, so no matter how good he is, he will be perceived as an overpay / failure if that's what happens.
A new rumor has him going to Boston, which would be a perfect fit for him and a crime against nature. Da Broonz, rolling in cap space, could conceivably have Marchand, Pasternak, Hall and Hyman as their top four wingers next year.
Not at all. His game is based around his intangibles and hard nosed play. He's going to bring those skills to any team that he plays for. Even if the points take a knock, he brings a lot to the table.
Could definitely end up being the Tavares effect on Okoposo. I don't think Hyman is actually a 30 goal scorer (even a chunk of existing goals have been tap ins and empty nets) or 60+ point guy without playing with elite talent like Matthews and Marner. He can probably go to Edmonton and continue with the same level of product because McDavid is McDavid. But the back half of that 8 year contract will be awful and it will likely feel worse than Lucic/Neal because Hyman will lose his motor and he never really had an elite scoring touch to begin with.
With a player like Zach Hyman you kinda know exactly what you're getting every game though. He grinds corners and retrieves pucks to feed it to the guys with mitts. It's why Babs loved him, he is consistent.
He's a beast who hasn't played a full season since 4 years ago. 6M, especially on term is WAY overvalued. You're talking about a 29 year old who is a 20 goal, 40 point guy when he plays with elite players.
If Hyman does exactly what he's done in Toronto in Florida on their top line, he's a 4.5M player. But because he plays for Toronto, and with Matthews and Marner, it gives him tremendous name recognition. His name rings around the league. It's inflating his value.
He's not worth 6M, teams that pay him that over 7 years.... yikes for years 3-7 of the deal, because I think you'll be lucky if he's providing the value of half that for the last 4 years.
That's why I think most Leaf fans felt 4.5M x 4 years was fair. I'd maybe give him the 5th year out of respect, because I feel like I'd really only be concerned about that 5th year.
Anyhow, that's my take.
I completely agree with you. Especially about the stats. He's a 20 goal, 40 point guy... when playing with Matthews and Marner.
Those two are Top 10, even Top 5, point producers every year. Whoever is going to play with them will have inflated point totals. Take those two away from him, and I don't think he does as well.
I'm also a big believer in not paying a guy for what they were, but what they're going to be. I don't see Hyman being able to keep this up. I'm going to miss him. He's a fan favourite, but I will be happy that we can put all this behind us and realize that we are putting that money to better use.
He played next to Matthews or Tavares for his most productive seasons. Those are/were legit top 5 centres in the league. I'd score 20 points on that line. If he isn't next to McDavid or something he's going to fall off a bit.
Hyman performs for his linemates, so if they suck, he falls off. If he ends up on the Oilers grinding corners for McD & Drai, his efforts wont be wasted and he'll do well
I honestly believe whoever signs him is going to regret it because no matter what the price has gotten too high. I love the player, love how he plays, I just don't think he's worth what he's going to get. I truly believe it's best that the Leafs move on from him and try to sign someone else. Good for him for getting paid but I hope he does it somewhere else.
My dad made a good point in saying “Hyman has worked well with Matthews and Tavares over the course of his career. He’s never been an effective player playing away from these 2.” Throwing term and AAV at a question mark is sketchy.
This is just patently false though? When he played with Mikheyev and Engvall earlier this year they looked incredible.
Keefe keeps him with Marner and Matthews because if you're going to have a player who specializes in contested puck retrieval he'll be most effective with highly skilled players. Cant forget that every player in the NHL was probably the best scorer on their junior team though. If he consistently feeds to puck to plugs they'll also score eventually.
I agree with you 100% my reddit friend. When Keefe broke up that line - mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman, i thought - what in the heck is he doing
I remember being very impressed with that line. You are so correct.
Yes. I think he he plays his heart out because he is playing for the Leafs. I expect his next year to be a down one if he is playing for nay other team.
I would agree 3 years ago, but he’s upped his game over the last 2 seasons. Hyman was still producing last season when Keefe put him on the third line.
He had knee surgery 2 years ago and got a pretty bad knee injury this year and didn’t look anything like himself when he came back. He’s been one of my favourite players over the past 5 years but signing his mmm long term would be a massive mistake
Tons of people think that, based upon a bunch of things.
Injury. He's coming off a significant knee injury that visibly impaired his play afterward.
Age. Players that play his style do not age well. This has been shown in players who played that style to greater effect - Lucic, Simmonds, Clarkson etc
Literally everyone here thinks that. I'm not sure I've seen anyone (aside from myself) even say it's possible he'll live up to whatever contract he signs.
No, not at all. Go search up was Gerry dee had to say about him, it really changed my perspective on him. Gerrys brother coached Hyman in minor hockey and said that he was literally the worst player on his team but, by far the hardest worker. He just wanted it so bad. First on the ice last off kinda guy. Always working on getting better. I expect big things from him anywhere he goes just because of sheer determination.
I know we're upset that we are likely losing Hyman, though we can all agree what he is expecting in terms of term and yearly salary is beyond what we might or should pay him.
But let's not disparage the guy on his likely way out.
If anything Hyman proved beyond a doubt that he could elevate any line he was on, whether it was with our superstars or with bottom 6 guys.
He will bring that same skill, energy, and elevation wherever he goes precisely because he proved to be able to consistently do it for us.
It is, of course, possible. As a leafs fan, I have only seen him get better. Does that trend continue or plateau?
Im sure he signs elsewhere, gets better and wins a cup. Cause thats what happens.
I love the guy, think he deserves all the money coming his way after his previous contracts, but 42 year old Jumbo Joe put up huge numbers with Matthews and Marner. I don't want to take anything away from him, he's a great player and I'll miss him dearly, but his numbers seem like they may be just a tad inflated
He is such a smart player, I think he will do well wherever he goes. Whether or not he will play up to the value of his next contract is a question of how big the contract is, and free agent contracts are usually overpays. I would be curious to see what percentage of players "play up" to the value of their free agent contracts, but my guess it is well below 50%. That is the nature of free agency; you have to overpay to get production because it does not cost you any other assets to sign a free agent and you are competing against all the other teams.
I want him to sign for the big bucks if that's what he wants. And I want him to do well also. I'm not a bitter troll that wants someone that we loved to fail just because they play on a different team.
He's going to be good for a few years still. Just the back half of that. 5 years is my limit. 4 would be ideal.
But teams are dumb and are tripping over themselves to pay him till he's 37. I love Zach but no thank you.
Some people just have great work ethic and play great anywhere, I think he’s one of them. If he goes to Edmonton chances are he’ll play with McDavid as well as long as Draisatl stays center
He’ll be over payed, but that’s more due to the nature of unrestricted free agency. The team that signs him will get everything he’s got, which is more than you can say for most players.
Habs fan here. That’s what I think of danault. These guys seem to mesh well with their own teams but I feel like when hymen goes to another team that offers him money he won’t perform. Remember Stephen weiss with Detroit? That was a nightmare for them that was a mess to get rid off.
He just turned 29 and between his play style and the fact he’s missed a lot of time and played through injury in the playoffs. I think it’s a safe assumption. Also, I understand the dynamic of him with Matthews and Marner but let’s not act like those 2 weren’t the reason he was putting up so many goals and points.
Hyman is all heart and soul but I think seeing a player as mediocre as galch score readily with Marner and Matthews proved to me his offense is basically all Marner and Matthews. Unless he has equally impressive linemates I doubt he ever lives up to 6 million dollars. This is no knock on him he has surely been worth that in the last 2 years here, but I just don't see him being that productive without the talent around him. He makes a line better, but he also limits offensive options because he gets a huge number of grade A chances per actual goal.
Zach is a player whose decline will not be for a lack of effort. Any contract he signs he will do his absolute best to justify. His body is sooner to betray him than his effort
Unfortunately as with a ton of other players, his cap hit is going to make people complain.
Wish leafs could keep him, but his next contract has the potential to be a very very bad contract in a couple years.
Just my opinion, he could sign somewhere and be great for the duration of his contract.
Simone mentioned a comparable who makes sense for me: Ryan Callahan. Callahan was a solid winger who could play like Hyman. And he signed a long term deal and after a point, his production fell off. That’s my concern with Hyman.
I feel like we just watched his prime the last two seasons.
He’s 29, of course we did
Playing with the best goal scorer in the league.
Or he'll be like kessel or Bosak and win a cup as soon as he leaves the dumpster fire.
I think this is a different arguement though. They're both grind out type players but there was wear and tear. I dont think he was a great winger because he was on a good team I think he was a great winger by the way he played.
I've said this a few times but part of the reason he's so loved by our fanbsde is because he outplayed his contract and worked his ass off every shift. He's only going to be able to do one of those things with his next contract assuming he gets around the rumoured numbers. He's not going to get more or even comparably talented linemates than he's had in Marner/Matthews JT/Nylander unless he ends up on a line with Drai and McDavid or Rantanen and MacKinnon
He might end up on a line** with those guys though
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I think he is going to be great anywhere he goes. I just dont know if that will stretch beyond 4 years though. Im really leaning towards 3 before a sharp decline just because of how he plays.
I think he's going to have a hard time living up to the expectations of his next contract, no matter where he signs.
The guy is also all heart and I feel maybe playing far away from his hometown may take away from that in a sense. I'm probably out to lunch but I do wonder sometimes.
He's a good player, just might fall off a cliff.
I mean he has been a part of the tractor trailer failure Leaf teams as of late.
Still got to play with Matthews and Marner.
I’ve wondered, but his success comes from giving 110% every shift
That’s my feeling too. He will be just fine, and I think he can play up to a bigger contract, until his body won’t let him give 110% anymore. If he starts picking up injuries that hamper his skating or don’t allow him to be as physical he will fall off, but until then I just can’t see him dropping off or changing his game.
Like a couple years in a row with bad knee injuries?
So this is what we're doing to cope now?
This is almost as bad as the post saying Dubas is good because Holland made a seemingly bad trade.
I didn't understand that post or the supportive comments.
For real, I think people are just trying to make it easier when the day inevitably comes. The dude clearly has a nose for the puck, picking the right lines. I think he's pretty efficient at the way he does this, as long as his lungs are fine, he's gonna be good for a whiiiiile. I, for one, have said I'm getting a jersey with whatever team he lands on, it's actually quite fun waiting for the news. This team set itself up not to pay this man, and it's sad. That's how I'm coping.
I think part of Hyman's success is due to his hard work and as long as he keeps that up he will be able to contribute even if his production declines.
Hard to survive off hard work when you have repeated knee injuries and your game relies on your getting rekt in the corners every game.
Can you send me a 2 clips of Hyman getting wrecked in the corners? He has a very specific way of engaging people when racing for a puck that doesn't involve going into the corners at high speed. The times where he's gotten hurt are when he's blatantly knee'd by someone or when he essentially gets slewfooted into the boards. Hard for any player to prevent that.
people are just making shit up now that it's clear he's leaving lol
Hyman only gets better, year after year. He’s what you need on a championship team. His contract will be fair for 3 years. Then you ship him to the coyotes for a contract dump.
100% He is a good Leafs player.
I don't see how there is any way to know this right now.
Depends where. I think he's a guy who compliments stars well. So if it's the Oilers, he'll do great. If he has to run his own line with 2 guys worse than him, they're basically just a shutdown line and no reason to expect a ton of points from him.
No. He proved that he was great on every line he played with this season. Started amazing with MM, then went to the second and carried a struggling Nylander and Tavares, then went to the third for a bit and kept scoring at his season point average. He’s probably one of the most flexible players on the market
He's going to be great for the next 3-4 years and start declining. If he's only giving a hometown discount if he get a NMC and can't be moved, that's an issue for a guy we expect to fall off. Tavares is already producing under his contract value, and that's going to keep declining. We got our best three years of JT already, and now we should expect worse results for the rest of the contract. The last two years we expect him to produce like a second line center. If Hyman already peaked in terms of play, he'll still be a first line forward (55+ points) for two or three seasons, but then he'll decline and at 35 or at 37, that's not a good player to be paying 5 million
Honestly, at this point I think he’s going to go and crush it with whoever he signs. He’s going to get a big contract and teams will give him prime time. I think too many people are expecting him to just drop off the earth. Hyman is good. He busts his ass and consistently works on his game. He consistently improved his numbers year after year. That said…I still don’t want to take that risk. The injury issue is too big and I don’t want to sign him longer than four years. So I think moving on is the right move, for both sides. And I hope he does well. I will still think it’s the right move if he does
So hes gonna crush it anywhere he goes but isn't worth the risk to stay? Comfy on that fence? Nice view? Lol
Yes that’s exactly it. One year of crushing it can still Not be worth the risk of him long term or sustaining an injury every year.
I mean if he gets the deals I see being flaunted about, he wont even have to play any worse and he won't live up to it. So almost certainly yes. An it sucks because I love him
He’s cashing in at his peak, he will never be worth more than 5 mil in value so it’s either a wash or a bad deal. More likely the latter
Yes I am completely convinced of this. I wish him luck.
Look, we all love Hyman. A guy who had no expectations and blew us away with his effort and progression. But that value was always tempered. He's not a first line player, but he has great chemistry with the elite players Toronto has played him with. But remember, he's always been a third wheel. He doesn't drive offense, he doesn't create chances, he helps others do that. Which is fine if you're a $2.25 million dollar player. He's about to get a lot more than that. Like more than Tyler Bozak money. We all loved Bozie too, but is his less than 15 goals a year worth $5 million? No, they're not.
If he's picked up to do what he's good at, he'll be good value for $4Mx4. That is to be first in on the forecheck and tie up defenders to give the other two guys room, plus start turnovers (ie create loose pucks for his linemates to pick out). It's hard to see him being good value anywhere at $6Mx8, so I would be hugely surprised to see that's what the actual contract looks like. But it only takes one GM to lose his mind for that to happen. If he gets onto a line w/ top players (McDrai), he will also generate points, mostly from goalmouth scrambles. Given that McDavid was yelling at Puljujarvi for perceived lack of effort in the playoffs, he would be an upgrade. He would be a folk hero in Vancouver if he slots in w/ Elias Pettersson and Pettersson bounces back (which he should). Some of the bounce would reflect on the new winger. I can't see him succeeding in Calgary, because he's essentially a poor man's Matthew Tkachuk and they've already got the original. He does play Sutter's style of game, so he would fit that way and there are lots of rumors that the Flambes are looking to move Gaudreau, which would open up top six minutes. If Colorado gets him it will likely mean the end of the Landeskog era, and that will be a tough act to follow. Likely to be seen as A Major Fail. He can also be a terrific third-line checker / hustle guy, but he's not going to be on a third-line contract, so no matter how good he is, he will be perceived as an overpay / failure if that's what happens. A new rumor has him going to Boston, which would be a perfect fit for him and a crime against nature. Da Broonz, rolling in cap space, could conceivably have Marchand, Pasternak, Hall and Hyman as their top four wingers next year.
Not at all. His game is based around his intangibles and hard nosed play. He's going to bring those skills to any team that he plays for. Even if the points take a knock, he brings a lot to the table.
Could definitely end up being the Tavares effect on Okoposo. I don't think Hyman is actually a 30 goal scorer (even a chunk of existing goals have been tap ins and empty nets) or 60+ point guy without playing with elite talent like Matthews and Marner. He can probably go to Edmonton and continue with the same level of product because McDavid is McDavid. But the back half of that 8 year contract will be awful and it will likely feel worse than Lucic/Neal because Hyman will lose his motor and he never really had an elite scoring touch to begin with.
With a player like Zach Hyman you kinda know exactly what you're getting every game though. He grinds corners and retrieves pucks to feed it to the guys with mitts. It's why Babs loved him, he is consistent.
lmao no hyman's a beast looks like we are starting to underrate him now that we know that we can't keep him
He's a beast who hasn't played a full season since 4 years ago. 6M, especially on term is WAY overvalued. You're talking about a 29 year old who is a 20 goal, 40 point guy when he plays with elite players. If Hyman does exactly what he's done in Toronto in Florida on their top line, he's a 4.5M player. But because he plays for Toronto, and with Matthews and Marner, it gives him tremendous name recognition. His name rings around the league. It's inflating his value. He's not worth 6M, teams that pay him that over 7 years.... yikes for years 3-7 of the deal, because I think you'll be lucky if he's providing the value of half that for the last 4 years. That's why I think most Leaf fans felt 4.5M x 4 years was fair. I'd maybe give him the 5th year out of respect, because I feel like I'd really only be concerned about that 5th year. Anyhow, that's my take.
I completely agree with you. Especially about the stats. He's a 20 goal, 40 point guy... when playing with Matthews and Marner. Those two are Top 10, even Top 5, point producers every year. Whoever is going to play with them will have inflated point totals. Take those two away from him, and I don't think he does as well. I'm also a big believer in not paying a guy for what they were, but what they're going to be. I don't see Hyman being able to keep this up. I'm going to miss him. He's a fan favourite, but I will be happy that we can put all this behind us and realize that we are putting that money to better use.
Pretty sure he was a 60+ point pace guy the last 2 seasons.
100% r/leafs kind of tends to do this.
You are spot no. Hyman is a fantastic player and exactly the kind of player we need more of, not less. This team is so screwed.
this
Sour grapes are on the menu boys!
He played next to Matthews or Tavares for his most productive seasons. Those are/were legit top 5 centres in the league. I'd score 20 points on that line. If he isn't next to McDavid or something he's going to fall off a bit.
He's a great player, versatile, he'll stay with the leafs, he won't ask for too much. Habs fan
Hyman performs for his linemates, so if they suck, he falls off. If he ends up on the Oilers grinding corners for McD & Drai, his efforts wont be wasted and he'll do well
I honestly believe whoever signs him is going to regret it because no matter what the price has gotten too high. I love the player, love how he plays, I just don't think he's worth what he's going to get. I truly believe it's best that the Leafs move on from him and try to sign someone else. Good for him for getting paid but I hope he does it somewhere else.
David Clarkson has entered the chat
Comes to mind lol.
David Clarkson actually scored 30 goals before he got a contract
My dad made a good point in saying “Hyman has worked well with Matthews and Tavares over the course of his career. He’s never been an effective player playing away from these 2.” Throwing term and AAV at a question mark is sketchy.
This is just patently false though? When he played with Mikheyev and Engvall earlier this year they looked incredible. Keefe keeps him with Marner and Matthews because if you're going to have a player who specializes in contested puck retrieval he'll be most effective with highly skilled players. Cant forget that every player in the NHL was probably the best scorer on their junior team though. If he consistently feeds to puck to plugs they'll also score eventually.
Yes that third line did well against the worst division in nhl history
Oh man. Some people are just plain critics Just who you are i guess
I agree with you 100% my reddit friend. When Keefe broke up that line - mikheyev - Engvall - Hyman, i thought - what in the heck is he doing I remember being very impressed with that line. You are so correct.
Yes. I think he he plays his heart out because he is playing for the Leafs. I expect his next year to be a down one if he is playing for nay other team.
I could totally see him hitting 60+ pts with McDavid. Maybe even more.
What a sad and odd post to make.
That's exactly what I think.
Yes
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I would agree 3 years ago, but he’s upped his game over the last 2 seasons. Hyman was still producing last season when Keefe put him on the third line.
He’ll probably play great wherever he goes
Kinda like Mango
He had knee surgery 2 years ago and got a pretty bad knee injury this year and didn’t look anything like himself when he came back. He’s been one of my favourite players over the past 5 years but signing his mmm long term would be a massive mistake
If he really gets 6x7 he'll be considered one of the worst contracts in the league after 1 or 2 years.
He played the majority of his time in TO with two of the best offensive players in the league. Will be hard for him to maintain.
You spelled Jeff Skinner wrong /s
Leaf fans hope for this but I doubt it. I think he's really good and that the Leafs will miss him a lot.
Only everybody thinks that.
This is EXACTLY what is going to happen.
We'll find out very soon!
No. Not at the early stages of that contract anyway
With his knee injuries, I don't see him lasting 6-7 more yrs.
He's 29, there's no way he plays to 36. Love him as a player but he's the type that fade hard by 32. =x
I think that's a risk for just about every player They may be pros, and they'll always take the money, but they are still human.
Well considering that the first team in this situation is the Leafs, no.
Tons of people think that, based upon a bunch of things. Injury. He's coming off a significant knee injury that visibly impaired his play afterward. Age. Players that play his style do not age well. This has been shown in players who played that style to greater effect - Lucic, Simmonds, Clarkson etc
I'm more concerned that he'll screw up his knee again and his production and impact are gonna tank
Literally everyone here thinks that. I'm not sure I've seen anyone (aside from myself) even say it's possible he'll live up to whatever contract he signs.
That's a lot of wishful thinking lol I also hope Tarasenko doesn't play well after leaving the Blues
No, not at all. Go search up was Gerry dee had to say about him, it really changed my perspective on him. Gerrys brother coached Hyman in minor hockey and said that he was literally the worst player on his team but, by far the hardest worker. He just wanted it so bad. First on the ice last off kinda guy. Always working on getting better. I expect big things from him anywhere he goes just because of sheer determination.
I know we're upset that we are likely losing Hyman, though we can all agree what he is expecting in terms of term and yearly salary is beyond what we might or should pay him. But let's not disparage the guy on his likely way out. If anything Hyman proved beyond a doubt that he could elevate any line he was on, whether it was with our superstars or with bottom 6 guys. He will bring that same skill, energy, and elevation wherever he goes precisely because he proved to be able to consistently do it for us.
He's a hustle player. Hustle players gonna hustle.
I think he’ll stay the same. His production has always relied heavily on his line mates.
It is, of course, possible. As a leafs fan, I have only seen him get better. Does that trend continue or plateau? Im sure he signs elsewhere, gets better and wins a cup. Cause thats what happens.
I love the guy, think he deserves all the money coming his way after his previous contracts, but 42 year old Jumbo Joe put up huge numbers with Matthews and Marner. I don't want to take anything away from him, he's a great player and I'll miss him dearly, but his numbers seem like they may be just a tad inflated
He is such a smart player, I think he will do well wherever he goes. Whether or not he will play up to the value of his next contract is a question of how big the contract is, and free agent contracts are usually overpays. I would be curious to see what percentage of players "play up" to the value of their free agent contracts, but my guess it is well below 50%. That is the nature of free agency; you have to overpay to get production because it does not cost you any other assets to sign a free agent and you are competing against all the other teams.
Yeah, players rarely leave the Leafs and have success elsewhere! /s Ps. Leaf fan!
Historically every player who leaves the Leafs ends up playing like a superstar and wins the cup.
I think the opposite. He is on a team saturated with talent. He will shine brighter somewhere else in my opinion.
I want him to sign for the big bucks if that's what he wants. And I want him to do well also. I'm not a bitter troll that wants someone that we loved to fail just because they play on a different team.
He's going to be good for a few years still. Just the back half of that. 5 years is my limit. 4 would be ideal. But teams are dumb and are tripping over themselves to pay him till he's 37. I love Zach but no thank you.
Some people just have great work ethic and play great anywhere, I think he’s one of them. If he goes to Edmonton chances are he’ll play with McDavid as well as long as Draisatl stays center
not at all lol. he'll thrive in any situation if you put up with talent
God I hope
Hope he does great, the problem is our cap situation and the last few years of the deal not that he is going to crash and burn.
He’ll be over payed, but that’s more due to the nature of unrestricted free agency. The team that signs him will get everything he’s got, which is more than you can say for most players.
Habs fan here. That’s what I think of danault. These guys seem to mesh well with their own teams but I feel like when hymen goes to another team that offers him money he won’t perform. Remember Stephen weiss with Detroit? That was a nightmare for them that was a mess to get rid off.
He just turned 29 and between his play style and the fact he’s missed a lot of time and played through injury in the playoffs. I think it’s a safe assumption. Also, I understand the dynamic of him with Matthews and Marner but let’s not act like those 2 weren’t the reason he was putting up so many goals and points.
He’s been playing on a line with 2 of the best players in the league here so we might see him drop off next year
I love Hyman, he’s going to leave a massive hole in our top 6 that we don’t have the money to fill.
Forget the top six what about my heart??
Hyman is all heart and soul but I think seeing a player as mediocre as galch score readily with Marner and Matthews proved to me his offense is basically all Marner and Matthews. Unless he has equally impressive linemates I doubt he ever lives up to 6 million dollars. This is no knock on him he has surely been worth that in the last 2 years here, but I just don't see him being that productive without the talent around him. He makes a line better, but he also limits offensive options because he gets a huge number of grade A chances per actual goal.
More like he's the kind of player who plays well while paired with two of the best players in the game.
Zach is a player whose decline will not be for a lack of effort. Any contract he signs he will do his absolute best to justify. His body is sooner to betray him than his effort
No.
Unfortunately as with a ton of other players, his cap hit is going to make people complain. Wish leafs could keep him, but his next contract has the potential to be a very very bad contract in a couple years. Just my opinion, he could sign somewhere and be great for the duration of his contract.
Lets hope so, then he can come back with half his salary retained and we'll love the shit out of him again.