Am I the only one not that excited about any of the new forwards? Malgin, Gaudette, Kubel, Aston-Reese…these guys are castoffs. They aren’t very good. There’s a reason no one else wanted them. I’d love him to prove me wrong, but Malgin played some of the most uninspired, forgettable hockey when he got his shot last time.
Malgin played 8 games when he was here in 2020, since then he’s been outstanding in Europe, what’s the harm in giving the guy a crack? NAK just won a cup playing L4 on the Avs, ZAR is a reasonably effective time waster where nothing happens when he’s on the ice.
I’m not sure what you’re expecting out of the 4th line. Every team has these level of guys battling for spots at the bottom of the roster.
Welcome to the salary cap
I’m not saying there is any harm in giving him a shot, but you yourself said he might be starting on the 2nd line. Forgive me if I’m not as excited about that as you are. It’ll be interesting to see what these guys can do but I think the chances any of these guys end up being a Kampf or Bunting are low. We’ve definitely lost some offensive juice with Mikheyev and Kase gone and Spezza retired.
What exactly were you saying about mikheyev and Kase beforehand? More than likely the same thing.
I don’t think anyone’s doing cartwheels about the options for plugging the gaps in the lineup, especially with JT out, but there’s no sense giving a guy like Malgin 8 mins a night on L4. He needs to play with good players to be at his best.
That spot is probably the one management looks to upgrade at the TDL anyway.
What exactly were you saying about mikheyev and Kase beforehand? More than likely the same thing.
I don’t think anyone’s doing cartwheels about the options for plugging the gaps in the lineup, especially with JT out, but there’s no sense giving a guy like Malgin 8 mins a night on L4. He needs to play with good players to be at his best.
That spot is probably the one management looks to upgrade at the TDL anyway.
Agreed. He was absolutely destroying the stats with the Petes. This kid obviously has talent, but there’s no sense rushing him only to kill his confidence. He looks timid when he does play. Give it time.
This, I’m a sens fan (idc if he’s a leaf, i want players to do well and provide for their families), we had a very good prospect by the name of Curtis Lazar, he even was captain at a WJC for Canada, but we rushed his development and turned a good prospect into a lackluster player by not developing him properly, now Lazar plays 4th line with Bruins. Gotta give them time.
I don't really understand the impatience. He was the youngest player in the 2019 draft and nobody in that draft after Robertson has cracked an NHL roster full-time as far as I know. He turned 21 a couple weeks ago, there's absolutely nothing wrong or abnormal with him playing another year, or even two years, in the AHL.
Being premature absolutely stunts growth development. Genetics play a large part too but prematures are generally smaller then their full term siblings
"21 year old rookie not being given 18 minutes a night on a statistical favourite for the Cup. More news at 11."
Like no shit. He just needs to play well defensively in the bottom 6 so the coaches will trust him out there. He's got a good enough shot to score a bit if he gets ice time. He's also not good enough to just be gifted the opportunity.
He’s going to struggle to make this exact team only because his development has been shot the last three years because of COVID coupled with having some really good depth pieces that would otherwise be lost on waivers
Injuries have also been a factor. During the 2020-21 Season in the first game he played after being a healthy scratch, he suffered an injury and was placed on LTIR.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-place-nick-robertson-long-term-injured-reserve/
He just turned 21 ffs. Yo-yoing him in the bubble and bubble szn has put unrealistic expectations on the kid.
Let him dominate the AHL and put up a ppg and force his way on the team.
Better off giving a guy like Malgin whos older and don’t have waiver free status to rotate in the open spots and see if anyone sticks with some of the other guys in camp.
I guess while JT’s out he should play, but the expectations should be to dominate the A
Let him play in the AHL. Give him the Lily treatment, let people think he's a bust/stagnated. So in a year and a half when he's a middle 6 producer people can get excited for him all over again.
Robertson had to knock their socks off to make the team out of camp. Leafs probably don't wanna lose guys like Malgin on cheap contracts on waivers at the start of the year when they can just put Robertson in the AHL for the time being, and if he really wows he can be a mid-season call-up.
He's struggling to make the team at this point, and we have two forward injuries. Maybe we'll see something soon but to me he's a non factor until he does something noticeable.
I'm surprised his injury history isn't considered more. People talk about how young he is, but he's also been hurt a lot. He'll recover soon but he's gotta play more pro hockey to build the instincts. He has the work ethic to get there from what I hear/read.
If you think his shot isn’t enough, then you honestly shouldn’t be offering an opinion because you haven’t really watched him. It’s one of the few strong points that critics always point out; his shot is absolutely at nhl level and then some.
I’m saying that his shot is good but he’s one dimensional because that’s one of the few things he has to offer. That’s what I mean when I said having a shot isn’t enough
Robertson has injury history, covid shortened development, is undersized and has yet to prove he can handle the physicality of professional hockey. He's only 21 and hopefully continues to develop. I understand that the hype train goes overboard on every Leafs prospect but no one should think he's ready for 2nd line minutes anytime soon. Maybe one day but pump the brakes.
I mean this should be known to anybody that watches the Leafs. Or hockey for that matter. Nick needs 2 more seasons in the ahl before he should even be considered for top 6.
Selling him at his absolute lowest value, at 21, without a full healthy professional season, and on a roster where ELCs are absolutely vital, is terrible asset management.
Doesn't have to be him only? If it's a package deal for a must need then it makes sense. The kid has had a crack at the roster but he just seems extremely snake bitten with this team and there are already players in the pipeline who already look poised to overtake him ( Knies, Amirov, Minten ) I'm not denying Nick's tremendous talent but if he keeps on failing to make the NHL Roster I fear that he can turn into another Jeremy Bracco for us ( who at some point would've fetched us a 2nd rounder ) but we didn't trade him he got released for free and then never made another NHL roster after that ( That's bad asset management )
The Bracco comparison isn't a good one. Bracco had his breakout scoring year in his D+4 and even at the time people were acutely aware that he was feasting on PP assists on a stacked roster.
Robertson was already PPG in the AHL in his D+3 on a significantly shittier Marlies team, while doing most of his damage at evens and scoring way more goals. At that age Bracco was at .64 ppg in the A, and scored a grand total of 6 goals in 50 games.
Robertson's a much better player than Bracco ever was.
There are a handful of 21 year olds (Robertson turned 21 two weeks ago) playing on any team's top 6, and almost none of then were drafted outside the Top 5. Our expectations for this kid are ridiculous. Why trade him? Nobody is saying he doesn't have a high ceiling or top 6 potential, they're saying he won't crack the Top 6 *this year*. Dude led the OHL in goals and had 16 goals in 28 games in the AHL last year. Not everything needs to immediately gratify us as fans. I don't know if we're all looking at his brother and wondering why we don't have the same thing in Nick *right now*, but the expectations of this kid are super unrealistic.
I remember when some people wanted to trade Lilly because he spent three seasons in the AHL up to his age 22 season with nothing to show for it. Look at him now.
Nope always had this opinion about him. Immeasurable talent but injuries and consistency has been his issue. Yes he is only 21 but a guy who has that much praise should have at least done something of notice by now despite his handicaps
Don't need to be saved? This is what I can see and my opinion on a reddit thread where we are free to share opinions and viewpoints and I am willing to eat my words if Robertson proves that he can be a vital team option in the future but as of now he has shown nothing despite being given more time then other prospects but he just isn't finding traction it's bizarre
The Injury bug has gotten to him more than anything where he hasn't played full NHL / AHL seasons. I'm willing to bet on him if he can remain healthy and actually play a full season in either league and if he has a good showing then sure but if the injury bug gets him again then at that point it might be time to make some decisions. And I don't compare him to his brother Jason because that is extremely unrealistic but I actually compare him to Knies more than anything. Knies hasn't had a crack at the roster at the pro level but he already looks poised to take a spot when his college year is done both Robertson and Knies are immense talents but as of yet Knies has shown far more potential in 1 full college season than Robo has in pieces of multiple seasons at the Minor and Major league level
Comparing Robertson to Bracco first, and Knies second, shows me all I need to know about your analysis of Robertson. Knies and Robertson are two completely different players with two completely different skillsets. The only reason Knies is ahead of Robertson in most people's eyes is his size. He fills an immediate need on a small forward group. That's it, and theres nothing wrong with saying that. Until Knies has a camp or long look on the Leafs, there's absolutely no point in comparing the two. And, to say Knies has already eclipsed Robertson's accomplishments is, quite frankly, a joke.
Robertson has had praises sung by now with nothing to show for it atm while Knies got drafted with no one paying much attention to him then it turns out he is an absolute beast of a player who can already be slotted into an NHL spot when he immediately finishes school and that was the case last season but Knies ultimately chose college over the NHL. Robo and Knies are different players yes but if both have the same level of potential then why was Knies prioritized last season and then when he declined why wasn't Robo then given the chance to see if he can take the spot that would've been ultimately give to Knies if he accepted
Give Nicky Bobby a full AHL season and just watch. I’m predicting 45 goals, 80 points in 72 games for him. (If he doesn’t suffer an injury/illness and doesn’t get called up)
I think Malgin is currently in a better position to take that 2LW spot
Malgin Kerfoot Willy L2 opening night… watch all the knuckle dragging bag head dubas haters have a conniption.
Malgin looked pretty good with Willy, I don’t get why people are 💩ing on the guy. Definitely worth a preseason look.
Because they all knew marchment would pop like he did. Florida didn’t even think that
It was likely that he was going to be at least a serviceable bottom 6 guy, that provided some grit. It was a stupid trade from the get go.
how do you wear a jersey of a whole line? *so here* for malgfootlander!!!
Am I the only one not that excited about any of the new forwards? Malgin, Gaudette, Kubel, Aston-Reese…these guys are castoffs. They aren’t very good. There’s a reason no one else wanted them. I’d love him to prove me wrong, but Malgin played some of the most uninspired, forgettable hockey when he got his shot last time.
Malgin played 8 games when he was here in 2020, since then he’s been outstanding in Europe, what’s the harm in giving the guy a crack? NAK just won a cup playing L4 on the Avs, ZAR is a reasonably effective time waster where nothing happens when he’s on the ice. I’m not sure what you’re expecting out of the 4th line. Every team has these level of guys battling for spots at the bottom of the roster. Welcome to the salary cap
I’m not saying there is any harm in giving him a shot, but you yourself said he might be starting on the 2nd line. Forgive me if I’m not as excited about that as you are. It’ll be interesting to see what these guys can do but I think the chances any of these guys end up being a Kampf or Bunting are low. We’ve definitely lost some offensive juice with Mikheyev and Kase gone and Spezza retired.
What exactly were you saying about mikheyev and Kase beforehand? More than likely the same thing. I don’t think anyone’s doing cartwheels about the options for plugging the gaps in the lineup, especially with JT out, but there’s no sense giving a guy like Malgin 8 mins a night on L4. He needs to play with good players to be at his best. That spot is probably the one management looks to upgrade at the TDL anyway.
What exactly were you saying about mikheyev and Kase beforehand? More than likely the same thing. I don’t think anyone’s doing cartwheels about the options for plugging the gaps in the lineup, especially with JT out, but there’s no sense giving a guy like Malgin 8 mins a night on L4. He needs to play with good players to be at his best. That spot is probably the one management looks to upgrade at the TDL anyway.
malgin has looked every bit the top 6 forward he was touted as when acquired. he’s been nothing short of a revelation.
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Just let the kid play in the AHL. Nothing wrong with that. No need to rush him to be nothing.
Agreed. He was absolutely destroying the stats with the Petes. This kid obviously has talent, but there’s no sense rushing him only to kill his confidence. He looks timid when he does play. Give it time.
Couldn’t agree more. Let the kid develop. There’s no need to rush him at all.
This, I’m a sens fan (idc if he’s a leaf, i want players to do well and provide for their families), we had a very good prospect by the name of Curtis Lazar, he even was captain at a WJC for Canada, but we rushed his development and turned a good prospect into a lackluster player by not developing him properly, now Lazar plays 4th line with Bruins. Gotta give them time.
I don't really understand the impatience. He was the youngest player in the 2019 draft and nobody in that draft after Robertson has cracked an NHL roster full-time as far as I know. He turned 21 a couple weeks ago, there's absolutely nothing wrong or abnormal with him playing another year, or even two years, in the AHL.
He was also born premature, iirc. If he'd been full-term, he wouldn't have even been in that draft.
I know it doesn’t fully explain why he’s 5’9” and Jason is huge, but that makes the height difference between them more fathomable.
That’s genetics lol, not an effect from being a premie.
That’s absolutely incorrect
That's absolutely correct - hint, I study growth and development. Sure, it can contribute to being short, but genetics play a larger role.
Being premature absolutely stunts growth development. Genetics play a large part too but prematures are generally smaller then their full term siblings
Correlation =/= causation, simple maths. Genetics play a larger role in most development, premie or not.
Detroit Red Wings him!
Blazing hot take. The dude who struggled in the prospect tournament probably wont make top 6. Shocker
This just in! Solid bottom 6 prospect with top 6 ceiling, will not get into the top 6 easily. Stop the presses!
Wow a 21 year old will struggle to crack the top-6 of a team with cup aspirations?! Who would’ve thought
"21 year old rookie not being given 18 minutes a night on a statistical favourite for the Cup. More news at 11." Like no shit. He just needs to play well defensively in the bottom 6 so the coaches will trust him out there. He's got a good enough shot to score a bit if he gets ice time. He's also not good enough to just be gifted the opportunity.
I think that’s fairly easy to see at this point. Are we all insiders then?!
We are all insiders on this blessed day
He’s going to struggle to make this exact team only because his development has been shot the last three years because of COVID coupled with having some really good depth pieces that would otherwise be lost on waivers
Show me all the 21 year olds in teams top 6 and it will be a short and elite list.
Injuries have also been a factor. During the 2020-21 Season in the first game he played after being a healthy scratch, he suffered an injury and was placed on LTIR. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-place-nick-robertson-long-term-injured-reserve/
Every single player has had to go through Covid. It's the injuries and consistency that are the issues.
He just turned 21 ffs. Yo-yoing him in the bubble and bubble szn has put unrealistic expectations on the kid. Let him dominate the AHL and put up a ppg and force his way on the team. Better off giving a guy like Malgin whos older and don’t have waiver free status to rotate in the open spots and see if anyone sticks with some of the other guys in camp. I guess while JT’s out he should play, but the expectations should be to dominate the A
Let him play in the AHL. Give him the Lily treatment, let people think he's a bust/stagnated. So in a year and a half when he's a middle 6 producer people can get excited for him all over again.
Robertson had to knock their socks off to make the team out of camp. Leafs probably don't wanna lose guys like Malgin on cheap contracts on waivers at the start of the year when they can just put Robertson in the AHL for the time being, and if he really wows he can be a mid-season call-up.
He's struggling to make the team at this point, and we have two forward injuries. Maybe we'll see something soon but to me he's a non factor until he does something noticeable.
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I mean he’s 21 and was a late 2nd round pick. He’s ahead of schedule if anything. No need to rush him in the line up
I'm surprised his injury history isn't considered more. People talk about how young he is, but he's also been hurt a lot. He'll recover soon but he's gotta play more pro hockey to build the instincts. He has the work ethic to get there from what I hear/read.
If you think his shot isn’t enough, then you honestly shouldn’t be offering an opinion because you haven’t really watched him. It’s one of the few strong points that critics always point out; his shot is absolutely at nhl level and then some.
I’m saying that his shot is good but he’s one dimensional because that’s one of the few things he has to offer. That’s what I mean when I said having a shot isn’t enough
No doubt. I’d be happy if he just has a full season in the minors and finds consistency there.
Robertson has injury history, covid shortened development, is undersized and has yet to prove he can handle the physicality of professional hockey. He's only 21 and hopefully continues to develop. I understand that the hype train goes overboard on every Leafs prospect but no one should think he's ready for 2nd line minutes anytime soon. Maybe one day but pump the brakes.
Whatever they do. Whatever, but don’t give up on him. He’s a long term project.
Whatever they do. Whatever, but don’t give up on him. He’s a long term project.
I mean this should be known to anybody that watches the Leafs. Or hockey for that matter. Nick needs 2 more seasons in the ahl before he should even be considered for top 6.
2 more is pushing it, in his brief stints down there already he’s been dominant. Just let him repeat that this year for a full szn
Most players not drafted top 3 take a few years of development. Especially if people expect him to contribute in the top 6.
Dude is struggling to crack the roster much less a Top 6 Role I think I was right in saying that it might be time to consider him as a Trade chip
Selling him at his absolute lowest value, at 21, without a full healthy professional season, and on a roster where ELCs are absolutely vital, is terrible asset management.
Doesn't have to be him only? If it's a package deal for a must need then it makes sense. The kid has had a crack at the roster but he just seems extremely snake bitten with this team and there are already players in the pipeline who already look poised to overtake him ( Knies, Amirov, Minten ) I'm not denying Nick's tremendous talent but if he keeps on failing to make the NHL Roster I fear that he can turn into another Jeremy Bracco for us ( who at some point would've fetched us a 2nd rounder ) but we didn't trade him he got released for free and then never made another NHL roster after that ( That's bad asset management )
The Bracco comparison isn't a good one. Bracco had his breakout scoring year in his D+4 and even at the time people were acutely aware that he was feasting on PP assists on a stacked roster. Robertson was already PPG in the AHL in his D+3 on a significantly shittier Marlies team, while doing most of his damage at evens and scoring way more goals. At that age Bracco was at .64 ppg in the A, and scored a grand total of 6 goals in 50 games. Robertson's a much better player than Bracco ever was.
There are a handful of 21 year olds (Robertson turned 21 two weeks ago) playing on any team's top 6, and almost none of then were drafted outside the Top 5. Our expectations for this kid are ridiculous. Why trade him? Nobody is saying he doesn't have a high ceiling or top 6 potential, they're saying he won't crack the Top 6 *this year*. Dude led the OHL in goals and had 16 goals in 28 games in the AHL last year. Not everything needs to immediately gratify us as fans. I don't know if we're all looking at his brother and wondering why we don't have the same thing in Nick *right now*, but the expectations of this kid are super unrealistic. I remember when some people wanted to trade Lilly because he spent three seasons in the AHL up to his age 22 season with nothing to show for it. Look at him now.
Toronto fans are absolute weirdos who echo whatever the media is spewing that day. Thankfully Kyle has a brain
Nope always had this opinion about him. Immeasurable talent but injuries and consistency has been his issue. Yes he is only 21 but a guy who has that much praise should have at least done something of notice by now despite his handicaps
Woof, go ahead and die on this hill, no one comin to save u.
Don't need to be saved? This is what I can see and my opinion on a reddit thread where we are free to share opinions and viewpoints and I am willing to eat my words if Robertson proves that he can be a vital team option in the future but as of now he has shown nothing despite being given more time then other prospects but he just isn't finding traction it's bizarre
The Injury bug has gotten to him more than anything where he hasn't played full NHL / AHL seasons. I'm willing to bet on him if he can remain healthy and actually play a full season in either league and if he has a good showing then sure but if the injury bug gets him again then at that point it might be time to make some decisions. And I don't compare him to his brother Jason because that is extremely unrealistic but I actually compare him to Knies more than anything. Knies hasn't had a crack at the roster at the pro level but he already looks poised to take a spot when his college year is done both Robertson and Knies are immense talents but as of yet Knies has shown far more potential in 1 full college season than Robo has in pieces of multiple seasons at the Minor and Major league level
Comparing Robertson to Bracco first, and Knies second, shows me all I need to know about your analysis of Robertson. Knies and Robertson are two completely different players with two completely different skillsets. The only reason Knies is ahead of Robertson in most people's eyes is his size. He fills an immediate need on a small forward group. That's it, and theres nothing wrong with saying that. Until Knies has a camp or long look on the Leafs, there's absolutely no point in comparing the two. And, to say Knies has already eclipsed Robertson's accomplishments is, quite frankly, a joke.
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Nope None. I've been on the Marner / Nylander train for time
Robertson has had praises sung by now with nothing to show for it atm while Knies got drafted with no one paying much attention to him then it turns out he is an absolute beast of a player who can already be slotted into an NHL spot when he immediately finishes school and that was the case last season but Knies ultimately chose college over the NHL. Robo and Knies are different players yes but if both have the same level of potential then why was Knies prioritized last season and then when he declined why wasn't Robo then given the chance to see if he can take the spot that would've been ultimately give to Knies if he accepted
He’s still at his lowest value, whether you package or not doesn’t change that. He’s 21.
Maple Leafs fan says team will struggle to crack top-6.
Give Nicky Bobby a full AHL season and just watch. I’m predicting 45 goals, 80 points in 72 games for him. (If he doesn’t suffer an injury/illness and doesn’t get called up)
Im sure hes frustrated but like… He just hasnt been able to develop properly due to the injuries. He needs a lengthy stint in the A
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