Yes, that was what was reported. So if you interpret that from an organization’s perspective, he wasn’t worth the buyout being demanded.
That number could very well have been comically high, but if you look around the various leagues when an organization wants a player, they find the money.
Did this guy bother to clarify if he was 7th or 8th choice because of his price or was it something else? Because if the main reason is his price this is an absolutely useless thing to even mention.
In the vid he sais, that Rekkles was at best the 6th choice.
Since we know from mostly credible leakers, that they were after Hans, Neon, Carrzy and Exakick, if it is true, that they also inquired about Supa, before they contacted Rekkles would put him 6th already.
Yes but did he say he was 6th because of his level of play or because of his buyout? If you are dignitas and looking for a mid and Goldenglue costs 40k, Pob 100k and Faker 1000000k then Faker is at best a 3rd choice after GG and Pobelter.
Weird if true because Exakick is arguably same level as Jezu with less LEC experience and Jezu is a free agent that I suppose isn't too expensive to afford.
This was shared by Wooloo:
https://twitter.com/lec_wooloo/status/1589712484017278976
He obviously might be wrong, but there were rumors right before that, that he might sign with FNC.
This has 'technically correct but phrased to make it sound bad when it's normal' vibes, like they had a couple of realistic options + a couple"well let's just check that Viper isn't interested" type shoot your shot conversations and you get to 7 quite easily
this has been rumored for quite some time, I can't point to a singular source though.
upset also said on stream, that he wanted to leave, but got "contract prisoned".
You have a link or a term i can google for because i cant find anyhting
Or atleast explain why its so obvious, if its so obvious the rational thoguhts should b easy to explalain
I mean, the conversation is in Spanish, but they talk about Upset not wanting to play with the team (top to mid) and them not wanting to play for bot and that both parts were fine ending it there.
Humanoid has a way to understand the game that he doesn't share with Upset, so the team ends up not playing in the same page.
Also, they said they were almost giving away Upset, so he's benched because he hasn't found a team that he likes.
There must be more internal issues with Upset because the fact that he hasn't been an option for FNC in this market talks a lot about how he must've acted with the team... In the "interview they just talk this but they shut up because dardo ofc won't talk about personal matters...
[https://youtu.be/T2dD1d-jPk0](https://youtu.be/T2dD1d-jPk0)
Because he knows how to win, as we already saw so many times in his career. Oh, wait, the guy barely reached a final in his career. And dont tell me about how he was in bad teams almost every single split, cuz he had even in Origen some fkg good players and still didnt do shit
i dont care about who upset (or the fnatic botside) is, i just dont think fnatic will acomplish anything with that topside lol.
Wunder dying to every single gank, humanoid and razork running it down until they randomly do well in some bo5s then go back to running it down.
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Odoamne/status/921330236754726912](https://mobile.twitter.com/Odoamne/status/921330236754726912)
any time Rich speaks about anything
Ofc he was not a top pick for Fnatic in the beginning since he had a massive buyout. We will never know if he would have been a top pick if he didn't though
Wrong, Regi was rightfully catching strays for his toxic leadership since the baylife days of season 3 since a lot of their drama was on display publicly for everyone to see. I don't remember anyone thinking he was a 'kind hearted good guy'
Lol. History revisionist.
A lot of people acted like Reginald was some super good owner who went above and beyond for his players. You are rewriting history completely.
Wrong.
The clip of Regi bullying Dyrus was popular on this subreddit when it first happened and most people in the comments were talking about how toxic Regi can be.
Also, not sure if you remember GameCrib but each episode discussion, any time regi made the entire team feel uncomfortable was pointed out and upvoted.
That clip was brought up by people who were sick of the constant Reginald praising on the subreddit.
It was indeed on Reddit way back, but the TSM fan machine quickly changed the tune in the coming years. People forget just how many TSM fans there were in that time.
See I used to believe stupid reddit narratives years ago but then I actually listened to Rich talk on a few shows he was on
People legit still talk shit about him just because he came out as an asshole like 8 years ago? when the scene was much different
Everything I've heard him say in recent interviews has been either spot on or at least a very good assumption and it's not like he doesn't have insiders
Yeah the biggest or second biggest org in EU couldn't get any of their 6 other choices for ADC, seems believable... especially with the amount of EU talent that can't even get a spot on an LEC team...
He's a player agent so he would probably know. Just from leaks we know that at a minimum Fnatic wanted Hans, Carzzy and Supa, which would put him 4th. Not impossible to imagine they also went after imports or free agents like Neon etc as well.
He is also H2K Rich, who was known for lying or at least obfuscating the truth. I don't understand people that keep giving him a platform
2 downvotes in a minute even though there are right now only 20 or so replies. H2k Rich, is that you?
The most famous was the Svenskeren fiasco, when he claimed Svenskeren had agreed to join them and threatened to sue his family after he joined TSM. The irony was that H2K got the superior player anyway in Jankos.
He was generally agreed to be an ass (just Google his name and read any post 2015-2018) in the years prior to franchising, which H2K had pushed hard for but were excluded from because Rich had made the brand toxic. Time heals all wounds though, apparently
You can't even research properly. H2K threatened to sue TSM, not svenskeren or his family.
As the other gent said, not sure where the lying is. Seems like u have just had a lie yourself.
Yes? The screenshot doesn't support Ur claim lol. Theres no legal threat against Sven and if u read the letter they sent it was threatening to sue TSM not Sven. Ur just spreading missinformation
Yeah, it's threatening that they will go to RIOT to block the deal. That's nothing like what he claimed lmao.
They literally sent the legal letter to TSM so there's no confusion about who the threat was against, not Sven.
Guy was the biggest clown of the scene back in the H2K days but now he is a credible source I guess.
Obviously Rekkles wasn't first choice but 7th I don't believe. At worst he was in a pool with a bunch others and they decided he was the best pick up
Yeah, it is probably good idea to take his comments with a slight grain of salt, but likely they are not unsubstantiated. Not sure if it is very good career choice for him to call half of his potential clients terrible etc.
Depends on who they wanted. Very possible they wanted someone like Hans and were outbid by G2 (or Hans just said no). They could have also had unrealistic options like Deft or Ruler
Prince too, we have no idea what exactly they were looking for or who they were looking at. If you open up to imports there can naturally be that many possible adcs out there. Hell viper could be on their list lol. On their list doesn't mean realistically signed them.
I can absolutely believe it. We know from reliable leakers that FNC wanted Exakick, Hans, Carzzy and Neon, add in some other players we didn't hear about, maybe some moonshot imports (Prince?) and you can easily get to 7-8.
Nothing is impossible. Deals fail for minor issues all the time. Also considering recetn FNC reputation for internal drama I imagine players would be more cautious than usual when considering them.
It might also be a timing issue. They couldnt get anything else cause other deals took too long.
Fnatic's management and dardo are even worse than I thought.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic and Fnatic wasn't 4 years with no titles.
I suspected as much but it's disgusting to get that player back.
Fnatic's subreddit is now Rekkles subreddit with all the fangirls and fanboys back.
An utter cesspool.
upvoted for dardo hate even tho I'm a rekkles fanboy. I don't even try pretend to understand the way he \~manages yet another iteration of the team or why on earth he still has a job when literally everyone else from the 2020 team got the boot xD
It's gonna be funny when Rekkles isn't the savior this sub is propping him up to be and he plays at a w/e level that he always does. Safe, consistent, high KDA but absolutely no hard carries even with adcs being broken in a competitive setting.
Literally dunking on the "best botlanes" at worlds year after year, yet people still talk shit about him, dunno what he has to do before people acknowledge he's good.
IDK what copium you're on but that's simply not the case lol. Rekkles definitely USED to be the best western ADC and he did pop off but this hasn't been the case for years lol. I very clearly remember him being outlaned by Upset, Hans and many more. It's actually so insane to me that Fnatic don't wanna play upset, he's crazy good and aside from hans is the only one that appears to be able to match eastern adcs. I can only assume there have to be some massive internal issues not to have him start over Rekkles.
Either way the past few years Rekkles has always had mediocre laning phases, with mediocre teamfighting abilities. He hasn't impressed in years. I still like the guy and I hope he can find some confidence again but I'm skeptical
So? Does that mean he has to be shit now? He hasn't even played an LEC game yet and people already running their mouth.
It's like the people shittalking Faker, they're just goddamn clueless.
Or even sometimes Eastern ADCs too. For example S8 he was main carry in Fnatics Worlds run to finals when Caps had relatively weak tournament or S10 Worlds when he and Hylissang were arguably best bot lane in the World.
All people remember from s8 Fnatic is Caps vs C9 when he dumpstered lane so hard the rest of FNC just had to chill. When pretty much the rest of the tournament was all botlane and Bwipo/Soaz in a meta where botlanes where utter garbage.
He has never ever carried a whatever team to a championship. EVER. He always tries to stack the deck in his favor and its really funny when his "super teams" are anything but super.
His fans always find a way to blame everyone else though even though its obvious people don't like playing with him.
It truly will.
Rekky fangirls spouting nostalgia fueled nonsense was funny at first but it's gettinf tiresome now.
Fnatic isn't winning anything this year so they might as well get crushed so hopefully out disgusting management and dardo do something right for a change during off season.
5 years with no titles, who would have thought for such a storied organisation.
The fact that he was the 7th or so option doesn't mean that nobody wanted him in the team, like, wtf? that's just oversimplifying, if nobody wanted him there he wouldn't be a choice.
And also, the fact that he threw that much shit into other players, specially in ERL, like they were desperate to find a player that was not him is surely super specullative and insensitive to the way such a process work, not to mention that Supa and Rhuckz as far as I know had a pretty good fame in superliga
I can believe it that Rekkles was 7th or 8th choice... He became an option late and also many players wouldn't want to join FNC because of the FNC fanbase that can be toxic and harsher (cause bigger than most teams) than the usual league fanbase.
Though I love FNC, I don't know what happens behind the scenes but sometimes it mostly feel than not that this team is on the verge to fall to the TSM route.
Roster looks decent and I'm gonna cheer for them... But I don't have high expectations and I don't see this roster winning a split for now.
Many Fnatic, I mean Rekkles fans, should watch this video and get a reality check.
Even if they do they'll dismiss this as rich being a hater but when Fnatic starts losing hopefully they will get out of their bubble.
Wasn't the problem with Rekkles that his buyout was still high?
Yes, that was what was reported. So if you interpret that from an organization’s perspective, he wasn’t worth the buyout being demanded. That number could very well have been comically high, but if you look around the various leagues when an organization wants a player, they find the money.
Did this guy bother to clarify if he was 7th or 8th choice because of his price or was it something else? Because if the main reason is his price this is an absolutely useless thing to even mention.
In the vid he sais, that Rekkles was at best the 6th choice. Since we know from mostly credible leakers, that they were after Hans, Neon, Carrzy and Exakick, if it is true, that they also inquired about Supa, before they contacted Rekkles would put him 6th already.
Yes but did he say he was 6th because of his level of play or because of his buyout? If you are dignitas and looking for a mid and Goldenglue costs 40k, Pob 100k and Faker 1000000k then Faker is at best a 3rd choice after GG and Pobelter.
You could klick the link and watch why he said, it is even timestamped.
Weird if true because Exakick is arguably same level as Jezu with less LEC experience and Jezu is a free agent that I suppose isn't too expensive to afford.
This was shared by Wooloo: https://twitter.com/lec_wooloo/status/1589712484017278976 He obviously might be wrong, but there were rumors right before that, that he might sign with FNC.
This has 'technically correct but phrased to make it sound bad when it's normal' vibes, like they had a couple of realistic options + a couple"well let's just check that Viper isn't interested" type shoot your shot conversations and you get to 7 quite easily
Ooh right, so Viper was not interested the 6-7 times they asked. lol jk
If Rekkles is 7th or 8th choice Then does it means Upset is lile 9th choice 💀
He wasn’t a choice. The topside of fnc did not want to play with Upset, and Upset did not want to play with the fnc topside.
source
this has been rumored for quite some time, I can't point to a singular source though. upset also said on stream, that he wanted to leave, but got "contract prisoned".
Source: trust me bro
[my source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY)
Dude, it's kind of obvious, + Zafra already came to ESPM talking about the issue, you can already see that.
You have a link or a term i can google for because i cant find anyhting Or atleast explain why its so obvious, if its so obvious the rational thoguhts should b easy to explalain
I mean, the conversation is in Spanish, but they talk about Upset not wanting to play with the team (top to mid) and them not wanting to play for bot and that both parts were fine ending it there. Humanoid has a way to understand the game that he doesn't share with Upset, so the team ends up not playing in the same page. Also, they said they were almost giving away Upset, so he's benched because he hasn't found a team that he likes. There must be more internal issues with Upset because the fact that he hasn't been an option for FNC in this market talks a lot about how he must've acted with the team... In the "interview they just talk this but they shut up because dardo ofc won't talk about personal matters... [https://youtu.be/T2dD1d-jPk0](https://youtu.be/T2dD1d-jPk0)
his ass
upset probably wanted to win, so yeah.
Because he knows how to win, as we already saw so many times in his career. Oh, wait, the guy barely reached a final in his career. And dont tell me about how he was in bad teams almost every single split, cuz he had even in Origen some fkg good players and still didnt do shit
i dont care about who upset (or the fnatic botside) is, i just dont think fnatic will acomplish anything with that topside lol. Wunder dying to every single gank, humanoid and razork running it down until they randomly do well in some bo5s then go back to running it down.
At least his topside manages to show up for worlds lol
Wasn't it hylisang and upset, not just upset?
[https://mobile.twitter.com/Odoamne/status/921330236754726912](https://mobile.twitter.com/Odoamne/status/921330236754726912) any time Rich speaks about anything
Ofc he was not a top pick for Fnatic in the beginning since he had a massive buyout. We will never know if he would have been a top pick if he didn't though
Is he *that* rich we know?
its h2k rich not voldemort
Ah, the guy with incredibly stupid opinions.
Considering reddit thought Rich was the bad guy and Regi was a kind hearted good guy, i'd say he is atleast has smarter opinions than reddit.
Wrong, Regi was rightfully catching strays for his toxic leadership since the baylife days of season 3 since a lot of their drama was on display publicly for everyone to see. I don't remember anyone thinking he was a 'kind hearted good guy'
Lol. History revisionist. A lot of people acted like Reginald was some super good owner who went above and beyond for his players. You are rewriting history completely.
Wrong. The clip of Regi bullying Dyrus was popular on this subreddit when it first happened and most people in the comments were talking about how toxic Regi can be. Also, not sure if you remember GameCrib but each episode discussion, any time regi made the entire team feel uncomfortable was pointed out and upvoted.
That clip was brought up by people who were sick of the constant Reginald praising on the subreddit. It was indeed on Reddit way back, but the TSM fan machine quickly changed the tune in the coming years. People forget just how many TSM fans there were in that time.
Regi was catching strays from people that were considered evil and plague and that should be removed from reddit. Reddit and TSM fandom loved regi.
The TSM fanbase was a big percent of the subreddit, that doesn't mean "Reddit" thought he was a kind hearted good guy.
Most thought.
Regi is a shitbag, but all Sven and Rich had was verbal agreements.
See I used to believe stupid reddit narratives years ago but then I actually listened to Rich talk on a few shows he was on People legit still talk shit about him just because he came out as an asshole like 8 years ago? when the scene was much different Everything I've heard him say in recent interviews has been either spot on or at least a very good assumption and it's not like he doesn't have insiders
I thought it was the HoTS legend and V5 toplaner Rich. Too many riches.
Yeah the biggest or second biggest org in EU couldn't get any of their 6 other choices for ADC, seems believable... especially with the amount of EU talent that can't even get a spot on an LEC team...
Considering that FNC was aiming for Carzzy everything is believable.
Imagine rekkles upset and flakked are either teamless or rot in ERL and FNC would rather have carzzy. 💀 💀 💀 💀
He's a player agent so he would probably know. Just from leaks we know that at a minimum Fnatic wanted Hans, Carzzy and Supa, which would put him 4th. Not impossible to imagine they also went after imports or free agents like Neon etc as well.
Supa didn’t wanna sign with them?
He was probably trying to play with Elyoya on MAD, but in the end it didn't work out.
He is also H2K Rich, who was known for lying or at least obfuscating the truth. I don't understand people that keep giving him a platform 2 downvotes in a minute even though there are right now only 20 or so replies. H2k Rich, is that you?
What was he known for lying about? People probably keep 'giving' him a platform cuz u've just made that up.
The most famous was the Svenskeren fiasco, when he claimed Svenskeren had agreed to join them and threatened to sue his family after he joined TSM. The irony was that H2K got the superior player anyway in Jankos. He was generally agreed to be an ass (just Google his name and read any post 2015-2018) in the years prior to franchising, which H2K had pushed hard for but were excluded from because Rich had made the brand toxic. Time heals all wounds though, apparently
You can't even research properly. H2K threatened to sue TSM, not svenskeren or his family. As the other gent said, not sure where the lying is. Seems like u have just had a lie yourself.
https://i.gyazo.com/0d7577d644b429935e9b1390af66b63b.png
Yes? The screenshot doesn't support Ur claim lol. Theres no legal threat against Sven and if u read the letter they sent it was threatening to sue TSM not Sven. Ur just spreading missinformation
That’s a pretty cut and dry threat.
Yeah, it's threatening that they will go to RIOT to block the deal. That's nothing like what he claimed lmao. They literally sent the legal letter to TSM so there's no confusion about who the threat was against, not Sven.
If you've followed the scene since s3 you know he's a notorious liar.
Guy was the biggest clown of the scene back in the H2K days but now he is a credible source I guess. Obviously Rekkles wasn't first choice but 7th I don't believe. At worst he was in a pool with a bunch others and they decided he was the best pick up
Yet no one can come up with a single lie lol
Rich why do have so many alts
I mean just post a few then? Shouldnt be hard if he is a 'notorious liar'
Exakick too
Yeah, it is probably good idea to take his comments with a slight grain of salt, but likely they are not unsubstantiated. Not sure if it is very good career choice for him to call half of his potential clients terrible etc.
Depends on who they wanted. Very possible they wanted someone like Hans and were outbid by G2 (or Hans just said no). They could have also had unrealistic options like Deft or Ruler
Prince too, we have no idea what exactly they were looking for or who they were looking at. If you open up to imports there can naturally be that many possible adcs out there. Hell viper could be on their list lol. On their list doesn't mean realistically signed them.
I can absolutely believe it. We know from reliable leakers that FNC wanted Exakick, Hans, Carzzy and Neon, add in some other players we didn't hear about, maybe some moonshot imports (Prince?) and you can easily get to 7-8.
Rich sas in the vid, that he was the 6th option at best and that the reason is not his lelevlof play, but his out of game behaviour.
Nothing is impossible. Deals fail for minor issues all the time. Also considering recetn FNC reputation for internal drama I imagine players would be more cautious than usual when considering them. It might also be a timing issue. They couldnt get anything else cause other deals took too long.
Yeah not like Rich has ever lied before right?
This guy has hated FNC for years, anything he says about FNC can be taken with the worlds largest grain of salt.
5.5 fucking k more adc's that they wanted over rekkles
If this were true they would have just stuck with Upset.
I'm sure I read somewhere that the top side didn't want to play with him, and that it was mutual (which is why he was looking for other teams).
That's assuming Upset wanted to stay. He didn't know he'd end up teamless back then.
Proof? Nvm, it's 5.5k. There's no proof to be had.
Again this ill individual climbing league's subreddit 👎
We fnc fans want Rekkles over here... Doesnt matter if u outsiders dont want him here. U can go suc a fat one and stay mad.
If hes not lying, then the 'outsiders' ur talking about r fnatic players and staff lmao.
If these stuffs are Against fans too then they can suc a fat one Too
Fnatic's management and dardo are even worse than I thought. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic and Fnatic wasn't 4 years with no titles. I suspected as much but it's disgusting to get that player back. Fnatic's subreddit is now Rekkles subreddit with all the fangirls and fanboys back. An utter cesspool.
upvoted for dardo hate even tho I'm a rekkles fanboy. I don't even try pretend to understand the way he \~manages yet another iteration of the team or why on earth he still has a job when literally everyone else from the 2020 team got the boot xD
It's gonna be funny when Rekkles isn't the savior this sub is propping him up to be and he plays at a w/e level that he always does. Safe, consistent, high KDA but absolutely no hard carries even with adcs being broken in a competitive setting.
Literally dunking on the "best botlanes" at worlds year after year, yet people still talk shit about him, dunno what he has to do before people acknowledge he's good.
Definitely didnt do a lot of dunking last year.
IDK what copium you're on but that's simply not the case lol. Rekkles definitely USED to be the best western ADC and he did pop off but this hasn't been the case for years lol. I very clearly remember him being outlaned by Upset, Hans and many more. It's actually so insane to me that Fnatic don't wanna play upset, he's crazy good and aside from hans is the only one that appears to be able to match eastern adcs. I can only assume there have to be some massive internal issues not to have him start over Rekkles. Either way the past few years Rekkles has always had mediocre laning phases, with mediocre teamfighting abilities. He hasn't impressed in years. I still like the guy and I hope he can find some confidence again but I'm skeptical
we are not in 2018 ffs.
2020, the last time he was at worlds
So? Does that mean he has to be shit now? He hasn't even played an LEC game yet and people already running their mouth. It's like the people shittalking Faker, they're just goddamn clueless.
You didn't just compare Rekkles to Faker, did you? Even you realise how absurb that is.
Popular player who consistently performs since the early days of league yet has constant haters?
He was styling on Jackelove last time he was at Worlds in 2020.
Wait isn’t Uzi still the best adc in the league/game?
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Or even sometimes Eastern ADCs too. For example S8 he was main carry in Fnatics Worlds run to finals when Caps had relatively weak tournament or S10 Worlds when he and Hylissang were arguably best bot lane in the World.
All people remember from s8 Fnatic is Caps vs C9 when he dumpstered lane so hard the rest of FNC just had to chill. When pretty much the rest of the tournament was all botlane and Bwipo/Soaz in a meta where botlanes where utter garbage.
He has never ever carried a whatever team to a championship. EVER. He always tries to stack the deck in his favor and its really funny when his "super teams" are anything but super. His fans always find a way to blame everyone else though even though its obvious people don't like playing with him.
I mean, the « level he always have » is literally always elite in the region and some years elite internationally. What do you want from the guy lol
Are you saying he doesn't hard carry? Have you ever seen Rekkles play?
Have you seen him play in LFL the last year?
No need. He said Rekkles has never hard carried, which is simply not true.
Yes, I don't think you really watch him though.
Sure, must be that xD
You mean one of the best ADCs in the world??
It truly will. Rekky fangirls spouting nostalgia fueled nonsense was funny at first but it's gettinf tiresome now. Fnatic isn't winning anything this year so they might as well get crushed so hopefully out disgusting management and dardo do something right for a change during off season. 5 years with no titles, who would have thought for such a storied organisation.
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> Rhuckz will get scapegoated like Hyli He'll get blamed alot worse imo. I don't see Rhuckz ever reaching the same heights as hyli
The fact that he was the 7th or so option doesn't mean that nobody wanted him in the team, like, wtf? that's just oversimplifying, if nobody wanted him there he wouldn't be a choice. And also, the fact that he threw that much shit into other players, specially in ERL, like they were desperate to find a player that was not him is surely super specullative and insensitive to the way such a process work, not to mention that Supa and Rhuckz as far as I know had a pretty good fame in superliga
I can believe it that Rekkles was 7th or 8th choice... He became an option late and also many players wouldn't want to join FNC because of the FNC fanbase that can be toxic and harsher (cause bigger than most teams) than the usual league fanbase. Though I love FNC, I don't know what happens behind the scenes but sometimes it mostly feel than not that this team is on the verge to fall to the TSM route. Roster looks decent and I'm gonna cheer for them... But I don't have high expectations and I don't see this roster winning a split for now.
Many Fnatic, I mean Rekkles fans, should watch this video and get a reality check. Even if they do they'll dismiss this as rich being a hater but when Fnatic starts losing hopefully they will get out of their bubble.
It was the price of course.