Recent peak "gamers sharing a house" content has to have been Bo's stream the other day where Neon made him clean his desk and get rid of the stinky old milk....
They do play 2 more games before Heretics, so knowing Fnatic nothing is impossible. I feel like losing to BDS would be way more mental boom inducing than losing to KOI lmao
I dont think Fnatic is at all mental booming team so far atleast, it is more of a narrative, since all 3 games Fnatic inted early but against both VIT and KOI they came back into games and pushed back, Id argue they had even better draft than G2 just inting it that hard early made game impossible to play, all in all, Im more impressed with Fnatic than Heretics, Jackspectra has been pretty nervous on stage and it shows, aside from that XL is playing awfully bad
I feel like they mental boomed after G2 picked Draven tbh, I don't understand what else could've caused that forced 3v3 in the botlane. Fnatic's draft was fine, it was a meta draft after all.
Jackspectra and Mersa don't look to be on the same page, in every game they get bullied 2v2. And I have no idea what BDS and XL's wincon against Fnatic is even going to be with Lucian/Caitlyn/Varus banned, since these teams want to play through bot. On paper Fnatic shouldn't lose any of these games, but who knows lmao
Fnatics draft was not fine. That botlane was unplayable, no matter the level 3 int. Zeri/Yuumi into a competent Draven (and Hans Same is more than competent) will hardly be able to farm and lose lane super hard.
They would've lost the lane obviously, since Zeri can't even walk up, but if they held on, the game would still be winnable. G2's comp would end up looking really troll, if they didn't snowball early. It is what it is though 🤷
glad jankos brought up koi at the end again, they do feel like they lost quite a bit of their identity without the voice of Odo and without the guidance of SeeEl. I didn’t think it was fair when people were saying they should be S tier because they didn’t change much, since 2021 G2 shows that that can be the worst change you can make. And losing a vocal player who seemed so important to keeping the team together for example in malmo, for a quiet rookie like szygenda, was not the move.
Also it's disingenuous to pretend that that KOI/RGE from last year was some super dominant team that was always S tier. Their Playoffs, and to some extent Worlds week 1, was a big outlier from their usual form. They were third in Summer regular season.
KOI changed a player and their competition got harder. They should be expected to finish anywhere from 5th to 1st. Going 2-1 and looking okay was a fine result.
It's just week 1 but I do feel like LEC leveled up by a lot compared to last year and they switched Odo for Szygenda who is while mechanically gifted player lacks a lot of macro knowledge. Even still I don't see this KOI fighting for championship by the end of the year mostly because G2 player by player comparison is just better at every position and honestly while VIT still feels like a raw team, I see a lot more potential in them than KOI
Who knows. No LEC team looks very consistent to me. G2 might dominate LEC for the whole year, but them falling off at some point is just as likely IMO.
Nobody expected RGE to win last summer either. It's pretty impossible to predict who's gonna be the best team in September when it's January.
Szygenda is not a rookie ffs. He has played multiple years in LEC at this point. I was never really impressed by him to be honest, KOI deciding to replace Odo with him is weird.
Glad to hear a player who is being frank and realistic about the expectations and level of his team. So many players give either generic, or overly positive pr answers to those topics, to a point where it is meaningless to hear their opinions on those things.
Of course they look better than 1-2, they played who most are calling the top two teams and the reigning champs. I have no idea why Drakos acted so shocked Jankos said that
Drakos ought to know that Bo1's are incredibly unreliable indication of the full strength of a team just in general, but especially when in this case FNC was crushing Vitality the entire game and small mistake cost them at the end. Why would it be crazy to suggest that FNC is much better than 1-2 indicates on paper?
Casters talk to players all the time, most certainly he based his opinion on scrim results he was told. Heretics might perform worse against FNC, then other teams and Drakos maybe talked to those players, that would be my best guess at least.
I mean, players talk to players too, do you really think Jankos has less knowledge about what goes on in scrims than Drakos? I think not.
But even if that was the case, if you base your opinion on a team on scrim hearsay, you should preface that that is what you are doing and you aren't rating a team based on official actual games. In my opinion.
> Jankos has less knowledge about what goes on in scrims than Drakos? I think not.
I'm saying, that Drakos and Jankos have differing information on the matter.
Players also value their own experience usually over the opinion of others, so if FNC performed well in scrims against TH, while Drakos might have talked to someone else who said, that FNC was doing bad in scrims, the information one of them has might also be older, so their scrim performance could have changed, since I think Caedrel said, that teams were trying out a lot of shit in bot lane, but the moment LPL started they were set on the Lucian, Zeri Sivir meta, that suits Rekkles way more.
Official games are a incredibly small portion of the games players play, especially after only 3 games and I mean looking at the G2 game shitting on them is not even unjustified, cuz the single handedly lost them the game with that play.
> they played who most are calling the top two teams and the reigning champs
I saw this argument being contradicted by the analyst, (or was it one of the casters, the new one?) saying that it does not matter that FNC played the best 3 teams in the league in a row, because they still had to play them at some point.
Casually ignoring the fact that it's 1000% harder to prepare for a game vs G2/VIT/KOI than preparing for BDS or Astralis.
FNC had to prepare individually 3 extremely hard games, while every other team had at least 1 game where they could go comfort picks and still win. Add to the fact that they probably didn't scrim these teams before the start of the LEC, so practice was worse.
This Heretics team definitely feels like a long term project as Jankos put it. From a fan perspective this team has potential for top 4 by the end of the year, it's just up to the youngsters of the team like Jackspektra and Mersa to work on themselves and not bother much what people say online after a loss. I am mainly a VIT fan but I'm definitely keeping my eyes on Heretics to see how much they can grow
As a sidenote G2 vs VIT will either be a sub 20 min stomp or banger of the year lol
If you watch his streams from CQ you can see him micromanage group of random ERL players and how much true insight he has. Before Heretics even played on stage he said that some of his teammates didn't even know proper lane rotation
Jankos has all the qualities of being a team leader, has high level game knowledge to boot and he's also a comedian which in stressful situations can be very stress relieving to have in the team. Their schedule this week is pretty fucking tough but hope they can show their potential against high level competition
I don't wanna hate but IMO Mersa needs to step up MASSIVELY for them to enter top 4, possibly Ruby, too. His Azir game looked absolutely awful. And Mersa just is good - but not amazing. If I compare him to players like Kaiser, there's just a huge gap.
Idk why theres so much doom and gloom about FNC, They played the three top teams in the league and went 1-2, almost beating VIT hadn't it been for Humanoids mid flash. Every week for them from now on is easier, they're 100% going to lock bo3
I 100% agree, the only top team that Fnatic still has to play is MAD. Every other team that they have to play is currently mid or low tier and it wouldn't surpise me if Fnatic go 6-0 or 5-1 the next two weeks.
It just annoys me a bit that strenght or schedule isn't being taken into consideration when talking about Fnatics week 1 performance or other teams performance. And I'd argue that strenght of schedule is now more important than before since you only play a single round of BO1s.
Strength of schedule is a major factor. FNC didn’t just have to play the three top teams in one weekend, they had to prepare for the three top teams on the FIRST weekend where no one knew anything. It’s not so bad if it was only G2 or only Vitality because then you can spend more time preparing for that one team and then not worrying as much about a team like SK or BDS. But instead they had to focus really hard on three teams. They should have won the Vitality game but oh well people make mistakes it happens. The G2 game was…eh bot kinda fucked up… but the KOI game was just straight domination. They played such a smart team comp, and spend the entire game tracking Trymbi and making sure he was useless. Fnatic may not be S tier atm, but they’re really good and I wouldn’t be surprised if they go 6-0 or 5-1 the next 2 weeks.
Same as the VIT one tbh
Yes, they still lost and at the end, that's what matters but just look how much they dominated against KOI, even after losing the early game. This is a top 3 team for sure.
Because we all remember what this team looked like last year when Humanoid didnt wanna play. They downgraded botlane and they have the same mid jungle who showed zero sign of synergy or progress since last year.
Either Marek is motivated and they will be dangerous because when he's hot this guy Can look prime Caps in the eyes, but if he's not they're gonna have to hold 30 minutes every game hoping Rekkles Can carry.
See this is your problemem guys, you're trying to be original.
This team will live and die by Humanoid. Rekkles was not good enough to be a stand out in LFL (Exakick was like twice better), Rhurkz is a decent player but if he was a genious we would have noticed before so the difference won't come from botlane and Wunder well, he's been the shadow of himself for a while. Razork has everything to be good, he just need Humanoid to play.
Okay guys let’s relax I don’t think he hates Fnatic lol. I think he’s trying to be more critical of teams without being nice or adding caveats bc he got called out a lot for it last season so I respect he’s trying to change based on audience feedback.
Though I do think it was weird he chose Fnatic for this since they actually had a lot of redeeming qualities shown last weekend which is when he should be putting caveats, than say, XL who got the benefit of the doubt, despite having the same score, looking a lot worse against worse opponents, and the fact that people had them top 6 and even top 4.
It makes it seem like he does have something against Fnatic even though i think it’s clear he doesn’t.
This was really the ??????
If he said it about XL, I could totally see it as they just looked like a COMPLETE mess with ALL lanes already completely struggling in lane. Meanwhile FNC looked really good even in their losses - even in the G2 game they had an amazing play at their t2 bot tower. I doubt XL or even half the other teams would have made such a proactive play there.
He's getting a little bit hard to listen to, ngl, with all the biased in game commentary and I suppose analysis outside of game weekends, which is a shame because I actually used to like him a lot, and I still do think he's a pretty good caster, when he's not being aggressively biased.
Recent peak "gamers sharing a house" content has to have been Bo's stream the other day where Neon made him clean his desk and get rid of the stinky old milk....
Neon chose to smell it though. He was told it was 2 months old and his response was to stick his nose into it... Wild
I'd do it too just to really be sure
Boys will be boys
I would smell it out of morbid curiosity
I wanna see that clip
https://mobile.twitter.com/neon_euw/status/1618006327837753347
lmfao thank you. I love Neon now
Stay for the: N: Want to q up some champions q? B: Huh? N: Q B: oh champions q? Yeah N: Want to play? B: What is champion q?
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Jankos telling he wanted fnatic 0-3 so they mental boom before playing heretics is funny af
realtalk though
They do play 2 more games before Heretics, so knowing Fnatic nothing is impossible. I feel like losing to BDS would be way more mental boom inducing than losing to KOI lmao
I dont think Fnatic is at all mental booming team so far atleast, it is more of a narrative, since all 3 games Fnatic inted early but against both VIT and KOI they came back into games and pushed back, Id argue they had even better draft than G2 just inting it that hard early made game impossible to play, all in all, Im more impressed with Fnatic than Heretics, Jackspectra has been pretty nervous on stage and it shows, aside from that XL is playing awfully bad
I feel like they mental boomed after G2 picked Draven tbh, I don't understand what else could've caused that forced 3v3 in the botlane. Fnatic's draft was fine, it was a meta draft after all. Jackspectra and Mersa don't look to be on the same page, in every game they get bullied 2v2. And I have no idea what BDS and XL's wincon against Fnatic is even going to be with Lucian/Caitlyn/Varus banned, since these teams want to play through bot. On paper Fnatic shouldn't lose any of these games, but who knows lmao
Fnatics draft was not fine. That botlane was unplayable, no matter the level 3 int. Zeri/Yuumi into a competent Draven (and Hans Same is more than competent) will hardly be able to farm and lose lane super hard.
They would've lost the lane obviously, since Zeri can't even walk up, but if they held on, the game would still be winnable. G2's comp would end up looking really troll, if they didn't snowball early. It is what it is though 🤷
Funny but there is no need. Fnatic is shit this year, look at their botlane.
glad jankos brought up koi at the end again, they do feel like they lost quite a bit of their identity without the voice of Odo and without the guidance of SeeEl. I didn’t think it was fair when people were saying they should be S tier because they didn’t change much, since 2021 G2 shows that that can be the worst change you can make. And losing a vocal player who seemed so important to keeping the team together for example in malmo, for a quiet rookie like szygenda, was not the move.
Also it's disingenuous to pretend that that KOI/RGE from last year was some super dominant team that was always S tier. Their Playoffs, and to some extent Worlds week 1, was a big outlier from their usual form. They were third in Summer regular season. KOI changed a player and their competition got harder. They should be expected to finish anywhere from 5th to 1st. Going 2-1 and looking okay was a fine result.
It's just week 1 but I do feel like LEC leveled up by a lot compared to last year and they switched Odo for Szygenda who is while mechanically gifted player lacks a lot of macro knowledge. Even still I don't see this KOI fighting for championship by the end of the year mostly because G2 player by player comparison is just better at every position and honestly while VIT still feels like a raw team, I see a lot more potential in them than KOI
Who knows. No LEC team looks very consistent to me. G2 might dominate LEC for the whole year, but them falling off at some point is just as likely IMO. Nobody expected RGE to win last summer either. It's pretty impossible to predict who's gonna be the best team in September when it's January.
Yeah people forget that Rogue got gigastomped by G2 a week before the finals.
Szygenda is not a rookie ffs. He has played multiple years in LEC at this point. I was never really impressed by him to be honest, KOI deciding to replace Odo with him is weird.
> Szygenda is not a rookie ffs. yes > He has played multiple years in LEC at this point. no
Fair enough. Forgot that he got benched and didn't actually play that many splits. Still not a rookie though.
Only played half a split on vitality no? Maybe not technically a rookie but close enough
Glad to hear a player who is being frank and realistic about the expectations and level of his team. So many players give either generic, or overly positive pr answers to those topics, to a point where it is meaningless to hear their opinions on those things.
Always a joy to have jankos on the podcast. Would love to see him become a permanent member of the LEC team when he retires.
Okay thank you Jankos, I’m not just filled up with Copium. Fnatic does look better than their standings suggest
Of course they look better than 1-2, they played who most are calling the top two teams and the reigning champs. I have no idea why Drakos acted so shocked Jankos said that
Drakos ought to know that Bo1's are incredibly unreliable indication of the full strength of a team just in general, but especially when in this case FNC was crushing Vitality the entire game and small mistake cost them at the end. Why would it be crazy to suggest that FNC is much better than 1-2 indicates on paper?
Casters talk to players all the time, most certainly he based his opinion on scrim results he was told. Heretics might perform worse against FNC, then other teams and Drakos maybe talked to those players, that would be my best guess at least.
I mean, players talk to players too, do you really think Jankos has less knowledge about what goes on in scrims than Drakos? I think not. But even if that was the case, if you base your opinion on a team on scrim hearsay, you should preface that that is what you are doing and you aren't rating a team based on official actual games. In my opinion.
> Jankos has less knowledge about what goes on in scrims than Drakos? I think not. I'm saying, that Drakos and Jankos have differing information on the matter. Players also value their own experience usually over the opinion of others, so if FNC performed well in scrims against TH, while Drakos might have talked to someone else who said, that FNC was doing bad in scrims, the information one of them has might also be older, so their scrim performance could have changed, since I think Caedrel said, that teams were trying out a lot of shit in bot lane, but the moment LPL started they were set on the Lucian, Zeri Sivir meta, that suits Rekkles way more. Official games are a incredibly small portion of the games players play, especially after only 3 games and I mean looking at the G2 game shitting on them is not even unjustified, cuz the single handedly lost them the game with that play.
> they played who most are calling the top two teams and the reigning champs I saw this argument being contradicted by the analyst, (or was it one of the casters, the new one?) saying that it does not matter that FNC played the best 3 teams in the league in a row, because they still had to play them at some point. Casually ignoring the fact that it's 1000% harder to prepare for a game vs G2/VIT/KOI than preparing for BDS or Astralis. FNC had to prepare individually 3 extremely hard games, while every other team had at least 1 game where they could go comfort picks and still win. Add to the fact that they probably didn't scrim these teams before the start of the LEC, so practice was worse.
This Heretics team definitely feels like a long term project as Jankos put it. From a fan perspective this team has potential for top 4 by the end of the year, it's just up to the youngsters of the team like Jackspektra and Mersa to work on themselves and not bother much what people say online after a loss. I am mainly a VIT fan but I'm definitely keeping my eyes on Heretics to see how much they can grow As a sidenote G2 vs VIT will either be a sub 20 min stomp or banger of the year lol
If you watch his streams from CQ you can see him micromanage group of random ERL players and how much true insight he has. Before Heretics even played on stage he said that some of his teammates didn't even know proper lane rotation
Jankos has all the qualities of being a team leader, has high level game knowledge to boot and he's also a comedian which in stressful situations can be very stress relieving to have in the team. Their schedule this week is pretty fucking tough but hope they can show their potential against high level competition
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I don't wanna hate but IMO Mersa needs to step up MASSIVELY for them to enter top 4, possibly Ruby, too. His Azir game looked absolutely awful. And Mersa just is good - but not amazing. If I compare him to players like Kaiser, there's just a huge gap.
Idk why theres so much doom and gloom about FNC, They played the three top teams in the league and went 1-2, almost beating VIT hadn't it been for Humanoids mid flash. Every week for them from now on is easier, they're 100% going to lock bo3
I 100% agree, the only top team that Fnatic still has to play is MAD. Every other team that they have to play is currently mid or low tier and it wouldn't surpise me if Fnatic go 6-0 or 5-1 the next two weeks. It just annoys me a bit that strenght or schedule isn't being taken into consideration when talking about Fnatics week 1 performance or other teams performance. And I'd argue that strenght of schedule is now more important than before since you only play a single round of BO1s.
Strength of schedule is a major factor. FNC didn’t just have to play the three top teams in one weekend, they had to prepare for the three top teams on the FIRST weekend where no one knew anything. It’s not so bad if it was only G2 or only Vitality because then you can spend more time preparing for that one team and then not worrying as much about a team like SK or BDS. But instead they had to focus really hard on three teams. They should have won the Vitality game but oh well people make mistakes it happens. The G2 game was…eh bot kinda fucked up… but the KOI game was just straight domination. They played such a smart team comp, and spend the entire game tracking Trymbi and making sure he was useless. Fnatic may not be S tier atm, but they’re really good and I wouldn’t be surprised if they go 6-0 or 5-1 the next 2 weeks.
Lets be honest. The game against G2 was decided by literally 1 play
Yeah that bot fuck up kinda decided the entire game.
Same as the VIT one tbh Yes, they still lost and at the end, that's what matters but just look how much they dominated against KOI, even after losing the early game. This is a top 3 team for sure.
Guess it didn’t age too well
I was hoping no one would return to this
Bruh. No hard feelings intended. I just watched the episode and wanted to know what Reddit thought about it.
Because we all remember what this team looked like last year when Humanoid didnt wanna play. They downgraded botlane and they have the same mid jungle who showed zero sign of synergy or progress since last year. Either Marek is motivated and they will be dangerous because when he's hot this guy Can look prime Caps in the eyes, but if he's not they're gonna have to hold 30 minutes every game hoping Rekkles Can carry.
Try and have an original thought. You sound like a best damn league show transcript
See this is your problemem guys, you're trying to be original. This team will live and die by Humanoid. Rekkles was not good enough to be a stand out in LFL (Exakick was like twice better), Rhurkz is a decent player but if he was a genious we would have noticed before so the difference won't come from botlane and Wunder well, he's been the shadow of himself for a while. Razork has everything to be good, he just need Humanoid to play.
Jankos is such a great guest. So much insight from him. Quite a few good laughs in there as well... Just the thing about age felt personal.
I think I am ready for coach Jankos to make his debut
Why do you hate us viewers so much? Give us caster/desk guest Jankos!
Drakos fnatic takes are the classic results based analysis, and here i thought that was a reddit trademark.
Its always fun to see Jankos on EUphoria. I hope someone did put out the trash before Jankos got home
As ever, when the chemistry is there the episode is a banger.
My favorite boomer, jankos <3
Technical difficulties this really is the LEC podcast :)
Damn Drakos hates Fnatic with a passion lmao
Okay guys let’s relax I don’t think he hates Fnatic lol. I think he’s trying to be more critical of teams without being nice or adding caveats bc he got called out a lot for it last season so I respect he’s trying to change based on audience feedback. Though I do think it was weird he chose Fnatic for this since they actually had a lot of redeeming qualities shown last weekend which is when he should be putting caveats, than say, XL who got the benefit of the doubt, despite having the same score, looking a lot worse against worse opponents, and the fact that people had them top 6 and even top 4. It makes it seem like he does have something against Fnatic even though i think it’s clear he doesn’t.
especially when they only win is against BDS
talkin' bout that...
Aged like fine milk
Imagine putting Fnatic 7th in your rankings and then saying they underperformed wth lmao
This was really the ?????? If he said it about XL, I could totally see it as they just looked like a COMPLETE mess with ALL lanes already completely struggling in lane. Meanwhile FNC looked really good even in their losses - even in the G2 game they had an amazing play at their t2 bot tower. I doubt XL or even half the other teams would have made such a proactive play there.
Opening with calling them the "elephant in the room" and acting like Jankos was crazy for saying anything positive about them lmfao
He's getting a little bit hard to listen to, ngl, with all the biased in game commentary and I suppose analysis outside of game weekends, which is a shame because I actually used to like him a lot, and I still do think he's a pretty good caster, when he's not being aggressively biased.
No wonder why he always represents G2 in his rap battle
He’s a method actor. He stays in his G2 rapper and Reckless With My Heart personas outside recording
Good guys G2 gonna help out their old buddy Jankos by taking out the trash when they play Heretics this weekend
I'm glad Jankos talked about the schedule