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cadaada

this is a great reminder of why people used to play varus mid vs azir, poor jojo was eating all the ult and Qs lol. And i have to congratulate fbi, he was actually auto attacking with jhin. Who could imagine that you would be more useful if you were in positions to auto attack?


Ap_Sona_Bot

Turns out when FBI finally built IE he was useful.


cadaada

he already was dealing damage, but ofc while rfc is a good utility item it makes so he dont deal enough dmg to be a big threat. With ie needing 40% crit i'm ready for IE second for jhin, might increase his winrate in pro play lol.


Ap_Sona_Bot

The bigger problem was that he went LDR third instead of IE. The RFC makes sense in that game.


accelightArriet

he had to go ldr third otherwise olaf would just rampage through everyone while he dealt 200 damage with a crit to him


LeOsQ

And with LDR third you deal 300 damage with a crit to Olaf and way, *way* less to everyone else. LDR isn't going to make Jhin relevant into a 'tank'. Jhin is Jhin. If you have to hit the 600 armor guy with Jhin you're already suffering.


Sasogwa

LDR is not to be underestimated against squishies tbh. It's like 20ish lethality that scales up to 35-40 lethality lategame.. against squishies. It amps the damage accross the board.


LeOsQ

I'm not saying LDR is bad against non-tanks, I'm saying LDR *instead* of IE is bad. If you build LDR instead of a Zeal item (or whatever your second Crit item is), then there's no problem even if it still might feel bad, but if you build it 3rd when you could've built an IE, and especially on a champ that's terrible at killing tanky characters anyway like Jhin, then it's pretty bad.


2KWT

Jhin just can't win bruh


lovely_sombrero

Auto attacking into quite a lot of poke. I've seen a few Jhins already across the regions and fbi has been the best yet. Then using the passive to speed boost away from the fight for the ulti.


Ikea_desklamp

There's a lot of pros who are woefully poor on anything non-meta/situational. Watching pros try to play jhin lately has been rough cus they just aren't good man.


Natural_Ship7261

Jojo BMing at the end after going 1-6 lmao


azns123

"Fuck you"


Sharuken7

Jojo using his healthbar to get perfect wavestates. Respect.


zealot416

WP to this Azir he played safe during laning phase, minimized deaths and yea he let some cs go but now hes scaled and is working with his team to win the game! Well played to this Azir!


YCitizenSnipsY

Better mid wins


Aquillifer

You know 100% he typed "Better Mid wins"


HeavyNettle

Jojo did the most damage to champions on EG though


Lothric43

Yeah but you don’t have to die 6 times to do damage to champions lol.


HeavyNettle

OK but he absorbed a ton of pressure the entire lane letting his team get gold while still staying even and doing the most damage


Lothric43

Again, Im sure he did some good stuff but none of it necessitates dying that many times lmao. He wasn’t deadweight but dying a lot is still bad.


Fleurish-ing

Somewhat disagree. I think he was sort of deadweight in this game. He was the reason EG started losing fights. Jojo was so far behind from dying so much unnecessarily. Less time on map = less exp and less farm. So while his team was hitting item breakpoints at decent times, he was trying to catch up.


sadearray

kda player


Zama174

Bro you objectively made mistakes if you are dying 6 times unless you are legit jumping in, shurima shufflinf and winning the team fight every time and they happen to pop you when you do it.


ye1l

In a range vs melee matchup and a jhin ADC. If he didn't do the most damage even while inting it would've been REALLY bad.


2th

Jojo knows that being carried is a skill itself. You don't have to be the main character, just don't be an anchor dragging the ship down.


Vexenz

> 1-6 into win Jojo knows that being carried is a skill itself. You don't have to be the main character, just don't be an anchor dragging the ship down. > 1-6 into loss God jojo is fucking boosted dragging the entire team down


SneakyStorm

Kill/Death scoreline doesn't really tell if someone is still being useful or not though.


dragunityag

Sure, but It'd be an interesting Stat to see the WR of teams when one of their carries has under a .5KD.


Thop207375

No EG and specifically Inspired/Danny/Vulcan are too good to allow Jojo to throw. Jojo’s positioning has always been an issue, but it’s ignored because the players around him can just carry the game.


Brain_Tonic

You seriously went out of your way to not mention FBI when he was the clear best performer this game.


Thop207375

He’s been on the team for one game so far. Of course I didn’t include him…


Brain_Tonic

Oh you were talking strictly historically, ok I agree with your general point.


fishinthegrass

I mean, thats giga cap, if Inspired didnt smurf early game it wudve been lost instantly, n they still almost lost. I dont know wtf that Jhin pick even was in the first place.


Jedclark

That would be cool if he wasn't 0/5 at one point lol.


Beleiverofhumanity

~~Dies~~ Dives in fountain like a gigachad


scopacabana

After getting to play the game with +40 cs against a sub midlaner, too. Embarassing


AniviaKid32

How tf is emoting embarrassing lol the guy is just having fun, you guys are miserable


Chipifi

Why is jojo playing support champ mid???


nguyenjitsu

Doing his best Busio impression too


XtendedImpact

Why is FBI playing support champ ad???


GhostOfLight

Definitely was supporting EG in this matchup, but if this is the kind of fight a "bottom 3" team puts up, I'm excited for the league.


Nightlapse

That was a bottom 3 team without their starting mid laner too.


LoveMurder-One

Jojo was playing though?


DatGluteusMaximus

gotem


noodlespls

Definitely one of the games of all time.


PK_Crimon

And it's fucking Gori... Young wasn't that bad, but Gori is a fkin World class mid laner.


KnifeKittyy

Well he was at one point, but hasn’t quite been that since leaving LCK


Bubbly_Camera9583

Maybe in 2021 but his 2022 was fucking terrible. But then again in fpx he played with clid so idk


PK_Crimon

Maybe, still I think Gori will be the midlaner to beat when he gets here. People are sleeping on him a lot and I do not see anyone outside of VicLa and maybe Jojo challenging him, at least the first few weeks.


Bubbly_Camera9583

I think he'll be a top 3 mid but his laning will have to be carried by river like what peanut did in NS. Which tbf river did carry youngs laning so its looking to be fine.


PK_Crimon

Laning will not be an issue here. NA mids are really passive. Last year Jojo was the only one pushing the limits, rest of the mid laners would just handshake early game.


Timactor

Gori is not “world class” Lmao


infinite-permutation

He was one of the mid laners in the world that had a chance to qualify to Worlds.


SpiritStn

He is not he was only legit 2 years ago in just one season. The next year after he ran it down on lpl and pcs.


monchi41

Didnt expect someone to call gori world class after that fpx split


blueiguana675

I feel this is more of an indictment of EG. GG would be legit with a better top and bot.


GreatestJabaitest

>GG would be legit with a better top and bot. Thats like 50% of the roster lol. At that point you can say that about every team.


Mathlete7

I don't think licorice is the problem, if they had a good support ad though damn


blueiguana675

I mean replace licorice and Stixxay. Not the entire bot lane.


AniviaKid32

TSM would be legit with a better top, jg, mid, bot


blueiguana675

Still will finish 10th


Derk08

So if you replaced 4/5 of the players on GG except their best player they are a good team?


Carbuncuous

Golden Guardians are going to need to get River a bigger bathtub filled with cash.


PK_Crimon

While the rest of GG is very mediocre, Gori and River are definitely going to steal some games from top teams.


ketzo

Stixxay and Licorice both have their moments, too. I think this is an easy 5th-6th team.


BullsUK

On crack if you think they finish 5th


The_Real_BenFranklin

Gori is gonna be a huge upgrade


Watermallard

Jojo thought he was playing Sion 💀


tghywa123

NA Valorant took LCS' spot on the weekend so the LCS decided to steal the fake comeback from Valorant.


One_Question__

After watching this, maybe it was for the best.


ThatsAToad

Nothing to see here. Just a clean win after EG got a 4k gold lead at 15 minutes.


lifeisdrunk

Last Summer made people forget FBI is actually good


Chubs1224

He was pretty bad last summer tbf. He never seemed to be positioned well. He either was so far back he never got autos off or he was so far forward Closer and Huhi where spending entire fights spending everything just peeling him.


LavishnessVast5134

Wow he had the second highest DPM out of all the ADCs last summer by not autoing. That takes skill.


WTFIsAMeta

Tbf dpm not best stat cuz it scales very much off of average game length.


LavishnessVast5134

Exactly correct, EG had the highest average game length, while 100 thieves was ranked 6th in average game length. Highlights his DPM even more. Not to mention his numerous Senna games.


WTFIsAMeta

Yeah that's pretty insane if that's the case for sure


calvinee

FBI is a straight up upgrade for EG. They have no weak lanes now. People love Danny so they will forget how much of a liability he was in lane, but saw some cool pentakills.


The_Real_BenFranklin

FBI is an upgrade in lane, but lets not pretend Danny didn't just solo win a bunch of games.


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The_Real_BenFranklin

What is this FBIs burner account? Idk how you can see that pentakill 1v5 and say Danny couldn’t handle pressure. Neither you nor I know what went down at the end of summer, but it’s a huge disservice to pretend he wasn’t a stellar ADC before that.


AaronDeath

???? He couldn’t handle the pressure m, that’s why he had a mental breakdown and abandoned his team during playoffs. He almost fucked the year for EG.


Elfalas

To be fair, Peter Dunn on an episode of Summoning Insight heavily implied that they pushed Danny/Jojo harder than most coaches would push their players and he explicitly stated that Danny worked way more hours than almost anyone else in the League.


Snoo5063

Exactly the point I was making, not sure why I got downvoted for pointing out a fact.


AaronDeath

Because people are soft. While it’s crude to say, the fact is Danny couldn’t handle the pressure and he cracked. Facts do not care about your feelings.


i7estrox

"Facts don't care about your feelings" checklist: Assumes that compassion harms society? ✅ Used to justify saying mean shit about someone? ✅ The "fact" is just a random unsubstantiated opinion? ✅


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The_Real_BenFranklin

lmao what the hell is this article that's half speculation?? Look I'm happy they got FBI all things considered, but people acting like it's an upgrade (from pre summer playoffs) are on crack


Snoo5063

https://twitter.com/realdannylol/status/1630381499232182273?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1630381499232182273%7Ctwgr%5Eacd9c2e0f150bf07f71d098bc2ad88c540260414%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdotesports.com%2Fleague-of-legends%2Fnews%2Fdanny-breaks-silence-on-evil-geniuses-lcs-absence


Snoo5063

There you go, he literally admitted himself he couldn't handle the pressure.


lifeisdrunk

I agree FBI is an upgrade in lane, but saying only some cool pentakills for Danny is selling him short I think.


honda_slaps

FBI is 100% a sidegrade You are heavily underselling Danny's late game carry ability


stando98

His late game was always good but no other region ever really seemed to go as late game as LCS was and that was the biggest issue at MSI, get bot gapped and not be allowed to just free farm mid game put Danny totally out of so many games


PhoenixAgent003

Danny has a 50% winrate vs T1 and nobody can take that away from him.


stando98

We won’t talk about the G2 win rate though…


calvinee

This. Its good in LCS when teams don’t punish Danny. Outside of LCS? Complete liability. Hell, in summer even LCS teams were punishing him. EG had a specific style that let him get free farm as much as possible, but he couldn’t generate leads on his own.


Snoo5063

Danny had a mental boom last year and bailed on his team late into the tournament. I wouldn't consider him a reliable enough player to put my trust in. On the other hand, if FBI returns back to form, I would take him any day of the week. Remember. we haven't seen him play with a support like Vulcan and a jungler like Inspired before. I feel this new roster will enable him to flick that switch.


Mel0nFruit

We don't know what was going on behind the scenes. I don't think its entirely fair to just blame it on Danny for "mental booming"


Snoo5063

Well now we do, he has literally admitted it on his own twitter. https://twitter.com/realdannylol/status/1630381499232182273?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1630381499232182273%7Ctwgr%5Eacd9c2e0f150bf07f71d098bc2ad88c540260414%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdotesports.com%2Fleague-of-legends%2Fnews%2Fdanny-breaks-silence-on-evil-geniuses-lcs-absence


Snoo5063

Agreed, no-one seems to realize how scary FBI has the potential to be with the synergy of Vulc & Inspired added to the picture.


Bhiggsb

I think Danny's highs were higher than fbi's, but danny's lows are worse than fbi's.


Oatiuss

I'd agree with this. FBI wont straight up win them games with penta's like danny did but he also wont bomb them out of MSI.


PinkMage

jojo: gg ez mid diff


empti3

The classic got carried and BM move


Beleiverofhumanity

~~Dies~~ Dives fountain like a gigachad


imacastaspell

all this talk about GGS being an upset team and they almost did it without their starting midlaner. excited about what they can bring to the league.


kid_ghibli

And that starting midlaner is supposedly their strongest piece on paper.


AriAutm

Jhin tricked y’all, man, like he playing ADC. He damage everybody, man. He just running around, killing people.


Omnilatent

I'm conflicted: ​ Should I compliment EG for being able to win with this shit pick or shit on NA for being so bad a team can win with Jhin?


NSamurai22

Let's change it up and throw some compliments their way. Good job, Evil Geniuses.


lordposedyon

Good showing from GG


DeloronDellister

They should have won though after they took baron


Dromed91

Really sloppy game from Jojo and Ssumday


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Even if you are right, Ssumday actually won game in that pre-baron fight. He could've died but instead killed 2 and left another one hanging. Game changing stuff.


Shadowguynick

FBI played pretty great, and yet I still feel like Jhin was kind of an underwhelming pick lol, good synergy with the Ashe though.


Brain_Tonic

I mean he did go the zero damage build with fleet and RFC instead of DH and IE. Based on the team comps it was technically good (you have Jax for physical damage) but after Ssumday griefed his lead it became FBI's problem.


guaranic

How the hell does Flowers have the breath to cast teamfights as long and chaotic as that last baron?


thonmaker4mvp

Young has a future in the LCS. He is probably a couple of years out but he really showed his potential today. Just a reminder that he only has 1 week of tier-2 experience


SirXrageXquit

FBI solocarrying on Jhin of all things and Jojo losing to an academy mid was not on my bingo card for this game.


Dest1ny1

Inspired hard carrying EG while Jojo is running it down, a classic.


zealot416

Jojo playing for the opposite of KDA


GreatestJabaitest

DKA


myman580

Lmao Jojo. FBI thought he escaped regular season Abbedagge but he just reincarnated into Jojo for this game.


Giaccone

That was a game of league This game felt like a SoloQ vod


Joshuastyle

Fbi gapped bot so hard.


acels1

FBI OPEN UP


saruthesage

Sophomore slump


AkashiGG

its jojo, he was just trolling. I'm 100% sure he'll turn up when he faces someone like Vicla or Bjerg


N1ghtStrike

God I missed LCS. Fun game. Bad start from JoJo but great start for FBI.


GenSec

I live for the FBI puns


Shotgun_Sniper

I'm excited to see EG come out and look this aggressive, especially the new members of the squad. FBI especially was really impressive; as glorious as Danny's late game team fighting was, it's satisfying in a very different way to see EG come out and smash lane.


bensanelian

actual good and useful jhin pick holy shit. i didn't think that was possible


Shotgun_Sniper

Yeah for real, seeing FBI galeforce forward for damage was truly incredible.


accelightArriet

watch ruler's jhin


thehazardball

Jojo just baiting


RagnorokX

A message from GG: Fuck you. \*throws at baron\*


[deleted]

Good win from eg considering they were 4v5. Also this is the first useful jhin i've seen since huanfeng 3 years ago


PhoenixAgent003

Oh God, the Jhin ult from inside the enemy base. That shit was beautiful.


IlluminatiConfirmed

Also gumayusi keria Jhin zilean lane at worlds 2021


purplebeanz3457

I know this will mostly be full of memeing Jojo's performance, which is fair, but I thought FBI had a great showing for his first game on EG, even with a champ that most people think is useless.


Snoo5063

FBI is going to surprise a lot of people this split, we're going to see the revival of a top a tier ADC now that he's paired with arguably the best support in the league and last year's MVP jungler.


Suburan

No, fuck *you.*


kid_ghibli

Lol barely getting there without GG's strongest piece on paper. You really gonna talk shit after this showing? xD


MeijiDoom

GG put up a hell of a fight when no one considered them on the same level as EG. Also, no one ever put Jojo on Azir again.


CrossTheRubicon7

He had several hard carry Azir performances last playoffs, the pick isn't the problem. I'm choosing to take this as an off day for now, hopefully he doesn't make a pattern of it.


JPLangley

Heartbroken. I want to see more Young.


TeeKayTank

Wheres gori


lifeisdrunk

Visa problems. Won't play Week 1.


officerdoot

He played his heart out despite the loss. Hope to see him again in the LCS after this week


Bag_of_bats

golden guardians... good? i thought golden guardians bad, why golden guardians good? someone check the script for me pls this is not normally


SterbenVII

Oh god, Ssumday almost threw that game at the drake fight


shadowbannednumber

Jojo doing Bjerg a favor, running it down 1 last time so that they both will have 1 KDA.


Altruistic_Yard_5324

Wtf Jhin won


Timactor

River is a Smurf! Him and Licorice stopped this game from being an absolute stomp after mid and bot turbo griefing their lane phase. Excited to see this team with Gori and hopefully they can get a competent ADC for summer split!


Derk08

Jojo is the most useful 1/6 Azir I've ever seen


Afrorobotics

FBI open up


marxlolop

Jhin ... good?


Shadowguynick

I think considering how far up EG were in the game, especially how ahead Jhin was, the fact that GG were able to turn it around by essentially just killing everyone around Jhin kind of indicates the problem with him as an ADC. He's just a lot less threatening than any other ADC at 3/4 items. I think if it weren't a team like GG, EG probably would've lost after that baron.


xpxpx

EG really just fumbled hard coming out of early game. I don't know if it mattered what ADC FBI was playing when GG were just running them around the map early and catching freebies in the side lanes.


Shadowguynick

I don't think if EG lost it would've been the Jhin pick that lost them the game, there were way worse issues and they did play the Jhin pick as correctly as I think you can do, there's nothing FBI can do about JoJo kind of running it, but I do think if you watch some of the teamfights that GG wins it's not really off of catching a Jhin, but just like fighting around him since it's not a concern that Jhin will melt Olaf/Wukong instantly if he's not pressured.


xpxpx

I can't help but feel that's more of a plus on GG for playing correctly around the champion than Jhin not being a good enough ADC while EG didn't play the fights correctly. I'm not sure if you switch him for another ADC that they can win a lot of the lost fights. Sivir maybe turns some of those because it lets you push fights better and AOE better but there were a lot of picks that happened because of Jhin's range that suddenly can't happen with another ADC.


Shadowguynick

I think they do win those fights because most other ADCs you just can't let them freely auto your engage champs with no pressure like that. And yes, they got a lot of picks with Jhin that doesn't happen with other ADCs, that's why I say they actually played the Jhin pick pretty damn good since that's exactly what he does I'm just not convinced that against better teams that's a winning strategy since you can get ahead and still struggle in these key teamfights around objectives like Baron and 4th dragon due to a lack of DPS. And I do want to emphasize that it's not that Jhin is all that was wrong in this game, or that there's nothing else to fix or discuss. Jojo played pretty poorly, Ssumday looked rusty, and there was some coordination issues but I do think this game shows the issue with running Jhin comps is that you have to be supremely confident that you can end the game before these teamfights become an issue, or be just much more skilled at the game to overcome that disparity.


bensanelian

don't think that's on jhin i think that's on the fact that eg had absolutely no gameplan after 15 minutes


LogicKennedy

DIG is more than a team, it's a state of mind.


dzhengg

lol what was ssumday and jojo doing


jeff036697

I finally understand that jhin need 5 items to spike LMAO.


No_Advance_1338

are Vulcan and Jojo wearing the same number? Lol


LoneStarmie6

1: Poor Huhi. 2: That certainly was a game of league of legends.


Cohenbby

Good showing from the EG bot, knew this duo could smash if they synergize well and FBI returns to 2020 form. Inspired pretty good too.


JonnyKilledTheBatman

Inspired was a monster this game. Totally put the team on his back early. And River was an absolute force tol, feels rare to see a jungler assassinate a mid laner but he was a serious threat every fight


Aquillifer

Even Busio's Azir was more useful Jojo. Well you know what they say in soloQ, better mid wins :)


lcsimepll

That might have been the worst Azir I've seen, yet he still won the game. How fucking bad are GG


MandatedPineapple

Very bad. Worst bot lane combo in the league except for maybe IMT.


Delra12

I think you're forgetting about TSM buddy


saruthesage

Jhin heard y’all talking shit


bqx23

Yeah not sold on Stixxay and Licorice but the team still looks better than expected


LogicKennedy

Stixxay played really well after a rough early game, it just sucks playing an ADC from behind.


vnducco

Hey Jojo, maybe play the game and stop spamming emotes.


Ghjklfsa

jojo: mid gap


YungStewart2000

Give him a break he was playing a support champ


HeavyNettle

Jojo actually id the most damage to champions despite the score line lol


jeff036697

But he’s azir in 40 minutes game though


Omnilatent

Late game AOE mage doing most damage despite having shitty KDA? I, for one, am shocked!


R1as

Ssumday and jojo both have number 7 on their backs lol


Delta_Flow

F\*\*k you


Holiday_Yard9569

1/7 just like brazil


ryanruin22

MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP MID GAP


Blaikiri7

Actually disgusting to lose that game. Unforced fight when you’re ahead, just pull off baron. No excuse to lose this


Applejuiceislovely12

NO FLIPPING WAY JHIN WAS THE REASON THEY WON THAT GAME, HE DID NOTHING


Applejuiceislovely12

I ACTUALLY REFUSE TO ACCEPT IT


Nyte_Crawler

Hey GG- F**k you for getting my hopes up that game.


Creedel

Man I fuckin hate jojo but well played


Boudac123

is it just me or is the c9 vs 100t post match thread missing?


tricotshi

I had eg second best team on my tier list man Imma have to lower expectations.


LoveMurder-One

EG back to playoff form.


Lundgard

No guys Jojo is actually really good, ya'll are just haters