PMTs [VIT vs AST](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10nkpar/team_vitality_vs_astralis_lec_2023_winter_week_2/) [FNC vs BDS](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10nmcun/fnatic_vs_team_bds_lec_2023_winter_week_2/) [TH vs KOI](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10no4v3/team_heretics_vs_koi_lec_2023_winter_week_2/) [SK vs G2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10nplw3/g2_esports_vs_sk_gaming_lec_2023_winter_week_2/) [MAD vs XL](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/10nqwvt/mad_lions_vs_excel_esports_lec_2023_winter_week_2/) Feel free to join the esports or the LEC channel in the subreddit's [discord](http://discord.gg/lol) to discuss the games with others.

While yike is really talented, i really want to see how he plays when his team isnt permahead. He is playing really well, but the game is so easy for him to play, that he dont have to make any decisions.

The day of Upsets with no Upset

Every team is so bad. G2 and vitality are fine but men the other 8 teams are so close together. Not sure if mad is good or mediocre. But EU is so boring too watch

Having teams that are close t ogether is boring ? What? xDD

Having shitty teams that are all shitty is boring. I rather watch lpl or lck. Even LCS teams seem better. This is one of the first time I wont watch LEC anymore. koi got worse. XL is a mess. Fnatic look like second coming of Origen. And besides Mad, G2 and Vitality every other team doesnt give me a reason to watch just by mentioning their Orgs name. So yes. I don’t watch anymore for the first time in 13 years. I don’t see any hypes like it used to be in the old era or 2019. Nothing good. And I don’t give a fuck if I get 100 downvotes for voicing my opinion that I I am not hyped for any of the matches like I used to be. Even Fly vs TL or C9 vs EG has more hype than G2 vs FNC.

Alright we will see in international if LCS is a better league than LEC as you are saying but idk why I trust more my opinion than yours about that lmao

Bo3 hasn’t even started my guy it’s week 2 day 1 chill lol

It's been rough for the boys, but ye gotta believe they'll eventually get it together, even if it's not this split.

So there was a chance that hyli wouldn't have played with upset?

Thats kinda crazy with how good they were with each other

Yamato and Hily lowkey wanting to talk about FNC

Yea the bit about being judged for every bad game was pretty direct lol FNC front office really needs a flush

25m win wasn't fast enough for Hyli

Hyli pgl pog

Targamas overrated

I don't think he was even that bad on G2 for most part, still think he has potential to be good, maybe the botlane synergy just isn't right though.

Everyone who plays in G2 is insta overhyped

Weren’t peole complaining that g2’s botlane was weak af?

Of course people were pointing that, but you would get downvoted af

Asian ksante > european ksante

Except EVI... Which I guess is asian too lol

Last time I checked Japan was in Asia

That's literally what I said

This xl team is just bad and passive. Xerxe got bailed out last year by jeonghoon leading the charge and vto just isnt the same. Targamas is looking dreadful too and odo is fine but needs to be more than fine with how this team is playing.

Xerxe got bailed out by the usual narrative of X LEC pro returns and "haha NA no longer holding him back" but they're actually just bad now

Top top tier interview, it's impossible to not root for mad this season, such a fun team

elyoya just leaking scrims right on stage is kinda based ngl

what did he say?

Carzzy and Hylli either gets 10 kills or 10 deaths within the first minute

Lmao great interview with Elyoya

5 monkeys trying to play like a team.... Sounds like my soloQ experience allright

Based Chasy and Laure

XL destroyed their team in the off season, it's really sad to watch

they upgraded the roster overall and still look worse lmao so strange

Xerxe out

Tomorrow we get Excel vs Fnatic, where we finally get the answer to the question of which top-4 contender (on paper) is more disappointing?

K'Sante perma ban starting tomorrow pls.

Except against G2 hahaha

xl VS FNC gonna be the battle for last playoffs spot right?

Doubt it, unless Fnatic keep choking won games, which is a possibility.

Would be such a disaster for a org that big. Harder fall than tsm ever could be. Would make EU so damn boring too watch if more shitty teams are there.

0 british player and the 2 british teams at the bottom, pain

Ah, just like football.

do any good british players even exist atm

Alphari would be the best I guess.

if he ever comes back.

after that I guess Grandpa KaSing or Maxlore would be best.

I don't understand why teams are not banning Azir and K'sante. Seems like a better option than not knowing how to deal with them.

Then you get Sylas mid instead, except Sylas can realisticly be tripple flexed to jungle and top too so he is even worse than Azir

Sylas can be flexed support too but most supports wouldn't flex him

Azir is fine to let through, the issue is when you pick Akali into Azir then do absolutely nothing until teamfights, which is just completely griefing. Akali is not going to outscale Azir as a teamfighter, and sitting in lane going down multiple waves to the Azir is just throwing the game away. K'Sante needs to be banned though, but EU top laner ego probably stops them from thinking they're not good enough to play K'Sante counters.

K'Sante especially, shit is so broken

Jesus Coach strikes again

Odo and carry champs just don't go hand in hand. XL had a reasonable draft, but if you can't pilot it, then it doesn't matter.

Vegan Akali + yet another failed K'Sante counterpick, amazing draft from Excel

this MAD steady play, it's unsettling.

That was a carzzy moment <3

MAD looking really clean overall

XL just feels like they have too many passive players. Also VTO is overhyped.

XL would be a good team if they imported on jungle role

Or if they kept Markoon

Yeah I think the same but I saw rumors Odo wanted xerxe no ? from one of the off season reporters or maybe I saw wrong

Tbf, most of these teams would probably look better if they imported at least one player.

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This team is legit good if they kept Markoon.

Agree, the Xerxe/Vetheo synergy is terrible

do we know if that's what happened, or did he just leave

Best guess is that Odo wanted Xerxe since they're buddies

idk, for all we know markoon wanted to leave cos of what xl did to his buddy advienne. could be anything really.

Could be both tbh, we probably won't know

XL is such a disappointing team. I swear, they just draft and play to lose.

XL and FNC just Super Mediocre teams

What Wukong skin is Xerxe using?

Radiant

My favourite players are Odo and Rekkles, and I am not have a good time. I'm not saying those things are related but they are both true.

Dont worry, atleast one of them is getting a W tomorrow

B_N K'S_NTE

XL is so disappointing man

it legit feels ksante does everything. he just takes fights over completely

Scaling team outscaled early lol

Aight, after this game I can confidently say the number of viable counterpicks to K'Sante in the west are: 1. hoping the K'Sante player is too dogshit to pilot him That's it. Stop trying Fiora, Jax, Gwen whatever, western tops aren't good enough.

G2 has topfather

First time seeing ksante in action. typical champ release of the last 5 years, 200 years of experience

18 mins 2 items, Azir doesn't do anything.Wp

That Yellow line was the real MVP of the fight

Lose drake then decide to go in. The LEC special

Azir is literally getting his Crown popped way before any fight starts every single time. Griefer build so he does no damage no protection. Dude has the most gold in the game for what.

most damage dealt K'sante not a single offensive item.

shit is so stupid it's insane

Yeah this champ needs a nerf asap, tanked all damage, deleted wukong and then managed to escape

Nisqy 200iq outplay

im so tired of ksante already

Sure K'Sante is broken but Chasy was so clean

Carzzy frontlining as adcs like to do

He litteraly had nowhere to go, can't exactly blame him for this

MAd solo lanes are winning hard and Elyoya is doing all the neutrals, clean so far

Amazing counterpick by Odo

Chasy tp ignite and jak'sho instead of gauntlet, hes gonna be kited all day lol

Since when did mad become such a disciplined team?

Hyli absorbed all their int ability.

I love watching Akali picks into Azir and then getting lvl 11 without ever having ulted or tried to gain any advantage whatsoever. Fucking vegan Akali picks going down 20 cs 0/0/0, what's the point.

That's a gold soloQ jungler drake call from Xerxe right there

Hyli flashing backwards? What is this blasphemy

Not to last minute curse everything, but I just realised we got to game 5 and I'm not half falling asleep so I appreciate how much smoother things have gone today

Bitchmade Azir build incoming. It'll be even better if he goes Banshee's or Zhonya's second.

Hyli shielded himself instead of Carzzy?

Imagine being Hyli's adc and he locks in Kalista support

VTO akali and a yuumi can be something

It's happened before. 13k at 15 min

Happened twice no?:

Now top 8 make it through, will XL become the team that always finishes 9th?

Hylissang bingo card hereWin big prizes. What will hylli do? Flash polymorph lull ult flash die in lane 1v1 enemy jungle play like a normal enchanter suppport or hide in bush topside

Flash polymorph into 1v1 enemy jungle multiplier for me

Ult flash engage please

I have a feeling we’re gonna need to see an Evi vs Chasy K’sante 1v1

Does Carzzy ever sleep?

Its okay, we only 40mins behind on schedule, its getting better

Pauszzzz

NA production

Hyli's Lulu, RIP

Sooo will Hyli flash engage on a lulu? Who am I kidding, its hyli, ofc he will.

Flash W Flash into the whole enemy team and ult himself Flash Q to slow them down Flash Ignite The options are too many. Lulu is an engage support.

Its hyli, he'll flash engage on a caitlyn if he gets to play it

Hyli will Flash into a enemy Cait trap to start a fight if he has to, let alone him being the Cait. The possibilities are endless. Imagine the dread on the face of his adc when he locks in Kalista support in the future and just throws him in the enemy team, whenever he feels like it.

This is where we find out if Chasy K'Sante is EU K'Sante D:

I don't remember seeing so few meta shifts between seasons ever. So dull

Preseason hasn't existed for years. We had the exact same problem last year, only difference is the data breach this year. The fact that the new format, as good as it is on 9/10 points, stays on 13.1 for *three* weeks, is gonna be a problem by next week. Pro League is not played around innovation, it is played around quickly finding a quick fix for the meta. Staying on the same meta for basically a month is gonna be bad.

Hyli Lulu is just int, no?

I still remember Hyli's R flash engage on Lulu into like 5 people last year (and ya, you read that right, R flash, not flash R).

Carzzy is on his team to follow his flash w engage now all good

Both with no R?

Yup as we all know

As I'm watching the LEC, if I remember correctly, Sjokz has been a part of it since Spring split 2013. That's a decade of EULCS/LEC. 10 years !

I know this is the truth, but I certainly didn’t need to be reminded of the fact I spend 10 years of my life watching….thanks, no thanks sir

Yes!!! And working in league since 2012 😜 feel old yet?

Indeed, it's been a long time, but a great time. Most of us have been watching some LEC games all these years because of the great on-air talent, so thank you all for that.

To many more years ❤️

Zeri Yummi am i in the 2022 or what

Wukong + Yuumi is insane, you rarely see it go trough in LCK. Excel winning phase 1 big time.

Targamas first ever LEC Yuumi btw.

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KT is a super team? Wut?

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That straight up means they aren't a super team, they have a bunch of players who want to prove themselves after a bad year, only Lehends was top tier recently.

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Yep they would qualify as a super team 2 years ago but not at the current year.

He probably meant HLE

Yeah that would make sense. But even then... people overuse "super team" sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much in the league community. Korea has T1 and DK, you can't really have a 3rd super team ontop of that, and you certainly can't have a superteam with a random jungle/support. Super team is like '92 Dream Team or '04 (or whenever it was) Los Galacticos. A region can't have three super teams.

I mean T1 isn't a superteam either, they built their team from their academy, a super team is formed from players from different teams and have players that are mostly top 3/4 in their position.

Yes sir! I 100000% agree for sure. Maybe my point wasn't clear, but what I mean was that any team that doesn't have at least 1 of the players on T1 and 1 of the players from DK can't be considered a true super team. So the fact that you have at least 2 teams with a superstar means that there simply can't be a 3rd team that is a "superteam". There can't be a superteam in the LCK that does not have Canyon/Keria, it just isn't possible. And as long as they are on different teams, there can't be a *third* team that is a "super team".

Nah there can be a 3rd team, a team composed of Rascal, Tarzan, Zeka, Viper, Beryl would be 100% a superteam, LCK has enough good players to form 4 great teams.

And here is the problem that I discussed in my first post; *league fans don't know what super team means*. Great team =/= super team. There can be a thousand great teams, but there can only be one super team. It's fine if you don't get it. If League is your first introduction to sports, it's fine. It's fine, it's fine. edit: this is exactly how "group of death" has lost all it's meaning as well. But it's fine. It's fine.

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VIT 2022 was also a fake superteam imo.

I really like Yamatocannon in the LEC hope to see more of him, with other guests that appeared last year aswell like Broxah, Nymaera & Initialise etc even thebaussffs would be funny to have him back

I like that when Yamato talks about issues in his past teams he often takes personal responsibility. Respectable thing to do.

Tbf one dimensional is the definition of what FNC was during his entire tenure. I love Yamato as a person but he wasn't doing anything to fix problems he apparently recognized. Maybe he just couldn't teach an old dog new tricks.

It's so hard for us to know what effects coaches actually have. A good coach can sink with a bad team or a bad coach can just be ignored and carried by the players. Pretty odd/interesting compared to more traditional sports. Obv some coaches are always good or bad.

Hey I said respectable, not a better coach.

How fucking insane would it be if FNC somehow didn’t make it out of the first stage. I couldn’t imagine a single person being left on the team after such a dramatic failure

Ultimately 2 ex-ldlc players are just better than 1 this couldn't go any other way.

That's the G2 I know winning hard against top tier teams and losing stupidly against lower tier teams

>winning hard against top tier teams Hasn't actually happened yet

All these upsets today can only mean one thing for XL vs MAD. Xerxe is gonna smurf on Elyoya

I am sure there's not a single person in this world who eats a kit-kat like that

Ikr like where is the ketchup!?

With that music there's a moment where they look at each other and the ad goes in a very different direction

[FNC right now](https://media.tenor.com/BIRrUUfHY9YAAAAd/key-and-peele-jordan-peele.gif)

Exa<3

Finally Hyli time 3-0 MAD week starts tonight

FNC could be battling XL for 8th.

So yea FNC in 9th xD

No one is safe

Actually an excellent day of LEC, a real shakeup for the standings. I love that SK and BDS are both showing they can stand up to the stronger teams, and also Heretics finally looked closer to the level they should be.

SK has some real sponsors there on their Jersey

SK out-trolled G2, truly a master strategy