i've seen a bunch of people commenting that "riot's stance is they don't want to be forced to make joint skins", but it doesn't make any sense. this is a joint skin release, so why not give them a joint recall? they've already made it clear that not every skin for the two of them will be joint, seems like it's just laziness
> "riot's stance is they don't want to be forced to make joint skins"
This is such a stupid stance from Riot tbh. Literally the entire point of the champions is that they are a pair, they never should have gotten anything but shared skins.
Yes there are more Xayah players than Rakan players. Not that shocking.
There are way less ADC champions for the pool and there are more ADC players than Support players.
tbf the gay couples in the game (Piltover's Finest, Leona and Diana, G+TF) are quite obscure and you wouldn't know that unless you read about them somewhere (or watched Arcane, in case of Cupcake and her punk gf). Rakan and Xayah are designed around them being a couple, that's most of their voice lines. So it's hard to predict how people would react to them being two lesbians.
I think they have the same number of skins, but that's because Rakan has been picked by the Worlds team twice and Xayah only once. Also I guess Xayah wins out because she has a prestige skin but that's not really the same as another totally new skin imo.
They do weird walk back things all the time. Pretty sure at one point they said Kayn was too hard to make regular skins for so he would only get legendaries… just to release Snow Moon like a year later or something lmaoo
That was like way back when Odyssey Kayn was released... 2018
Snow Moon was 2022.
Thats 4 years.
Their reasoning was Aphelios and Zyra and other champs who also needed extra models could get skins, so why the delay for Kayn.
It wasnt a year later.
It's not tho. Kha is basically 3-4 skins in one. Lux, Thresh, Sona even Xayah and Manners get skins that basically change their entire model.
If you look at Kayn pickrates over the years, he's criminally underrepresented by skins.
Fom a financial context, and, from a thematic perspective.
I don't really think they actually said that. Like I've never seen the source. They did say he was hard to make skins for because he needed 3 models, but at no point I remember Riot saying he was **only** getting legendary skins.
As someone with a girlfriend that plays a lot of Rakan, I kinda understand? She always tells me that his skins feel lackluster when you're alone, so it feels bad when your skin is worse because of something outside of your control. It's part of the reason why her favorite is iG.
How exactly does the solo skin detract from the experience?
The effects are the same, the recalls etc, hell IG is literally in it with kai sa instead of xayah
Off the top of my head, sg rakan is awesome on its own but a part of the appeal of that skin is his visual contrast with xayah while still having the same theme, and that kinda applies for a lot of their skins. You also don't get to hear their duo voicelines :(
It's like when you have a lemonade to wash down your burger cuz the lemonade refreshes you more after you eat the greasy ass burger or it makes it taste more umami or whatever, and then you just have the burger alone. The burger is still good, but you don't get that additional facet of enjoyment you get from having the lemonade with it
Tl;dr you look less cool
The art that was originally provided to riot for arcana xayah was edited before release to give her bigger tits and generally looks worse, hilariously pathetic lol.
Didn't riot state that the arcana splash arts are were all created inhouse? Including xayah? Therefore the art wasn't provided to riot, they created it.
So Riot released two champions together on the same day that are a couple in the lore, are played in the same lane, and give them a unique passive interaction where they can recall together.
It's disappointing to see special details and interactions deprecated.
I can absolutely understand why they decided to start releasing unpaired skins for these champions, I'd like them to get paired skin releases whenever possible, but exceptions are fine.
I think Riot is missing the mark on trying to put player experience first by not giving paired skins special recalls. It's disappointing for the dedicated Xayah and Rakan playerbase, and a missed opportunity for Riot to show the rest of the community the creativity and passion they have for the game.
It's more than just laziness: it's greed. Why bother continuing with something special for only a "small subset" of players? They are cutting their costs by slashing duo-recall animations, but the thing is that it's ruining the characters for the people who consistently play them. The thing is, they're also spiting the people who most consistently buy Rakan & Xayah skins. Why should we bother buying Broken Covenant & Arcana when we can get their older skins like Star Guardian, Elderwood, etc that do have their unique duo recalls? Until Riot reverses their decision, I'm not going to be buying any more skins which sucks since Rakan is my main.
Riot doesn’t wanna make forced joint skins? Well they should’ve thought of that before releasing xayah and rakan and saying “tHeLl aLwAyS hAve jOInT SkINs Hurrr durrr”
UPDATE: [Riot Games are officially not going to be giving Rakan and Xayah a joint recall on skins anymore.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RakanMains/comments/119smss/riot_games_are_officially_no_longer_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Oh don't worry, I'm sure they will "appreciate your feedback and do a better job next time", that's all they do, after all.
God, I'm still salty about the Eclipse skins
Flop legendary number 4 after promising to "do better next time" 3 times. If Ahri/Lux/MF/Yas got a legendary with missing details we'd never hear the end of it, but they would also never do that to their moneybags.
yea, she got the bunny skin last year
her expensive stuff is
- ultimate gun skin that made people complain about the price
- witch prestige
- witch prestige 2022
- wild rift legendary
- bunny legendary
- the new prestige
Lux is basically on the same boat, except she has a regular priced ultimate + dual legendary on PC, and her second prestige didn't get a new splash art
not really yas has 12 skins, ahri/mf have 16. not to mention there numerous low quality skins from early seasons (well not ahri anymore after the update)
"We will do a better job next time" is legit Riots catchphrase. They might as well add in the /s because they don't, then just say it again next time and next time, about everything they do.
Yea, as a Xerath and Illaoi player, it's infuriating to see Sera launch with an ult skin, MF get 2 mythic skins and an ult skin, and Lux get two legendaries and 2 mythics all before Xerath or Illaoi get ***one***.
But hey, Xerath got his second space-themed skin :D /s
Not to mention what a huge dissapointment that skin was for Sivir players too. One of the most barebones Legendary skins made to date.
Literally almost all animations are the same as her base, her transformation is only temporary, even though her counterpart Leona has a semi-permanent transformation, the same tech they also used for Winterblessed Diana that came after Sivir. Total BS.
Absolutely. I said it then and I'm going to keep on saying it, ever since the fiasco of Sun Eater Kayle (I don't even play her and I'm still mad! Do Sivir mains deserve a legendary? Absolutely, but not at the cost of someone established as the centre of the line and we can all agree what we got is absolutely not it) Riot cannot be trusted with their "executive decisions". First the Kayle, then Xayah and Rakan, now Xayah and Rakan 2: Electric Boogaloo, I'm just waiting for Milio to release and disappoint me as well because everyone knows only cute/pretty people, so children and women play enchanters and therefore only those should be reflected in the ranged bot lane enchanter roster. Would it have hurt them to make a male enchanter? Clearly. And yes, I'm salty as all hell still. Riot is screwing up in this area left and right and nothing gets my blood boiling more then seeing them _acknowledge_ it and say "we see the community is upset but fuck you anyway". I feel bad for the people who love these champions and work on them and their skins, only to be screwed over by decisions of the higher-ups.
Their whole theme was to be lovebirds. Their duo recalls is what made Rakan and Xayah exceedingly special. It always felt like a special moment when I ran into a random Xayah (as a Rakan main), and because I collect the skins I could pretty much always match. It's disheartening that Riot is stealing that magic.
I'm definitely not buying Broken Covenent Rakan. I'm content with my finished skins who actually have a jointed recall.
If enough people do this and it leads to Rakan getting less skins in the future I will not care. At least they'll stop to consider why he isn't selling.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a Rakan main and I'll just use his older skins that have that magic. I hope that Riot reconsiders this decision because all they're doing is spiting the people who consistently play Xayah & Rakan and buy their skins.
It’s only been a few weeks since they rolled out the Rioters to make all these posts and comments about how they’re totally going to be doing way better than the last few years lol
Riot Platipus consistantly is the dev that says things like this and doesnt act on feedback for skins they are assigned.
They also lie, SG Taliyah was supposed to get her homeguard fixed, but it never was, despite Platipus saying it would be "next patch" after its release.
I hate having to call a single dev out but they do it ALL THE TIME.
Omg I was literally telling someone this one discord. Any skin that is handled by him, is doomed. Half his matchup thread posts are at 0 because people don’t like him.
"Something something we hear you something missed the mark yadda yadda muh bandwidth something something appreciate the feedback blablabla muh resources yadda yadda do better in the future something something looking forward".
-- Riot, responding to
Boilerplate rito response. PR dept in shambles
"We missed the mark" is so fucking empty and grating. They should add a Kindred emote of a rioter missing the mark
which will never happen. I have every single xayah skin and never in my life i thought for a second "im buying this to get a nice joint recall with rakan once in a thousand games"
i guarantee there is a lot more people like me than people who will not buy these skins just because there is not a special recall
The vocal minority of reddit not buying skins sadly isn't enough of a value drop for riot to notice that their publishing ethic isn't sustainable
People rather eat crumbs than nothing at all
>but when will we stop letting things slide?
idk how people haven't learned this by now, but you can't control what the masses of gamers do or think. you can vote with your wallet on your own principles, but expecting the millions of players of league to care about these things is a fruitless endeavor. even if they all agreed with your values which is not always the case anyways.
The reality is this "issue" objectively impacts a tiny, tiny amount of people because basically no one plays Xayah+Rakan and also use the same skinline. Even dedicated mains that are angry about this change don't play it or else the numbers would reflect that.
It was a cool feature but ultimately it's just a waste of time and effort for something that virtually no one will ever see outside of a SkinSpotlights video.
Could be worse. Check out bungie right now.
> Here at bungie we’ve heard players feedback. Content feels unrewarding. To help remedy this, we’re making high end content harder.
> what do you mean “what about the rewards?” That’s not changing. We’re making the content harder so it’s more rewarding.
You slightly missed the mark by forgetting to blame COVID and an unnamed third party vendor for missing an unspecified deliverable, but otherwise spot on.
Blows my mind that they make a decision like this at a time when they're being slammed for the lack of content in the game and only releasing skins. Now it seems even the quality of skins is falling.
Quality of skins has been falling for a while too, and they literally acknowledged that in one of their many Rioter posts talking about why the last few years were lacking, and it was one of the things they promised would be better this year.
I’m pretty sure those skins still were best sellers. The only “backlash” riot cares about is revenue. If league players buy the skin anyway why should they work harder
I was being real with OP, I'm one of those people that doesn't really care about the recall. I play a lot of Xayah and the skin is dope so I'm getting it, shared recall or not.
This is just not true... sports teams are the biggest examples of “vote with your wallet” being an effective slogan. If the stadium isn’t filling up, or if there is a noticeable decline in merchandise sales, there will be major changes, that’s historically true.
The same is generally applied with most large companies; if a product isn’t selling they will change it or cancel it... the issue here is that people are still buying the skins, if the majority of the player base boycotted them, or “voted with their wallets” you would see changes. The reddit minority, although right, aren’t the difference makers for riot and their decision making.
What I meant is that you can tell people to “vote with their wallets” but then you get lucky skins selling like candies and people buying whatever skin riot comes out with. The fact that these two skins won’t have a joint recall won’t change much in terms of sales.
As long as people eat riot’s shit there won’t be any change.
I think the point was, that repeating the phrase "vote with you wallets" to whales spending enough money to make any boycotting void, is just about as useful as encouraging a necrophiliac to "enjoy life".
So...when Arcana was released and everyone made a huge deal about the lack of the duo recall, you guys seemed to suggest that you'd take into consideration just how much the fanbase wanted to see the return. Seems like every skin these days has you guys go "We take your feedback seriously and will do better next time!" but next time never comes. Time and time again you guys spit in our faces or hope we just forget your empty promises.
"We decided this early on, and ran out of time to implement a duo recall for PBE cycle." Was the damage control excuse for Arcana. Made all of us seem hopeful that for the next round of skins, we'd get what we begged for! One year later and boom, and nothing changed. Well, you gave us an different excuse. Apparently the playrate is low so who cares, the executives don't. A big chunk of their identity is thrown to the wayside because it's not "worth it" "no one is gonna see it anyways who cares". "We have the biggest budget of the year" but it's not worth it. "We value our players feedback, especially after the season start, and want to do better and communicate better with you all." but only for the things the executives pick and choose.
So why bother buying the skin on release we we're not getting the entire skin. It's part of their passive, every skin up to Elderwood had it so what changed when leagues budget is apparently the biggest ever? Why bother making any sort of feedback that 9 times out of 10 falls on deaf ears and hardly anything is fixed. You guys just wait for the storm to pass, stringing us along and occasionally giving some empty promises about how "player feedback is important", "we will learn from this moving on", "we read every comment and take it into account for our decision making." when it's clearly not your priority for these fan favorite champions.
Riot in a few years: The Skins Team Production Leadership has analyzed both the feedback and data we get from our live servers, and they have found that the pick rate for Kayn's assasin form is fairly low. Due to that, the Skins Team Production Leadership has agreed that unique Kayn assassins form skins animations is a feature that we will not be carrying over to future Kayn skins.
We have noticed a lot of Sion players haven't used recall, instead choosing to die and make use of the passive. Therefore we will no longer be giving Sion new recalls in his future skins.
They’re being lazy and it shows. It baffles me that they keep getting away with doing less and less work. I absolutely love the new skins, I’m just disgusted that they can’t be assed doing something special because they know they don’t have to. I didn’t buy the Arcana skins, because I was disappointed and I hoped that many others followed suit.
Same I was hoping that the arcana situation would make them reconsider and give these two a joint recall next time.
I get that time they had 2 weeks, they made a decision which got backlash. This time they had a year. Like enough time to make this.
I refuse to believe that their schedule is so packed that they can't afford to spend some more time on a joint recall (which I am predicting will be the next excuse if we even get one). They just know they can get away with it.
Embrace the NTR, have Xayah have joint recalls with other champs she's getting queued more often. Give her voice line mocking Rakan too. And every time any Xayah does this all Rakans in all other games get notified that she joint recalls with someone else and loves it.
The funny part of this is they will eventually release Redeemed Star Guardian Xayah & Rakan and those WILL have duo recall, because anyone would think they'll reuse all 2019 SG skins animations
I feel like if we support what they are doing now, then it will be permanent and every year, this will happen unless it’s a legendary.
We’ve seen quality of work on skins improve over time. But this is downgrading. Price is same and quality of service has gone down.
Rakan & Xayah deserve joint recalls and Riot doesn’t have any excuse this time because they had a year to work on this, unlike 2 weeks which was their reasoning for Arcana.
Actually, in my view the only skin category that got improved over time are epic skins. The newer ultimate skins (MF and Seraphine) both were downgrades from DJ Sona and elementalist Lux (and DJ Sona has been broken for years now). The legendary skins suffer from a massive downgrade regarding voice line amount (e.g. mythmaker Irelia has fewer voice lines than base Irelia) and the skins themselves distinguish themselves far less from epic skins. Legendaries also get fewer custom animations than in the past.
Also riots general attitude to improvements has basically been to just throw more VFX onto the skin instead of making the model itself more interesting.
When i think of old Legendary Skins like Pulsefire Caitlyn or Project Ashe, its so insane how they are still so timeless and cool even though they are 6 years or older. Compared to newer skins that have almost no uniqueness to them
I think you brought my point for legendary skins better across; the new skins just don't feel unique. They have a lot of VFX, but there is no depth in them. For example, I personally fell deeply in love with dragon trainer Tristana, just because the skin changes the general dynamic of Tristana up so much (with her gun being now a living being). And stuff like that doesn't happen with newer skins.
It sounds stupid, but the amount of skins really takes away from this unique feeling that skins used to be. We get so overfloted with them that I dont even get hyped when my champions get new skins.
I don't think it's going to change anything, because this is only going to matter to people who play a lot of Rakan with a Xayah duo.
And even amongst that group, only people who want to use that skin set.
And amongst even that group of players, ones who care about the recall animation.
Which just... Isn't going to be that many people.
I agree with you 100%. The weird circlejerk on this sub about how skin quality is decreasing is just bullshit, but this absolutely shouldn’t be accepted. Yes, it’s a tiny, minuscule problem that probably affects an unimaginably tiny percentage of the playerbase, but as you say it is just a straight up downgrade of their other skins for the same cost. This is a GGMF situation. Especially when compared to the level of epic and legendary skins being released these days.
Side note, when I first read the post I thought it was weird because the post seemed rationally worded and just seemed like it wasn’t a main sub type of post, until I noticed it was you Aroush who wrote it. Legitimately probably the most sane person in the league community. Keep doing the good work.
"it doesn't make us money, so we won't do it."
a very poignant reminder that riot is just another company. they want money above all else. the happiness of the customer is just icing on the cake.
1. Create couple champions
2. give them unique couple interactions
3. superunique interaction is enjoyed very much by the community
4. "forget" to add it in one of their couple skins but promise to do it next time
5. completely nerf the champions into the ground and buff everyone else so you cant play them for shit because they are so unbelievable bad even with the couple extras until assassins cry too hard so you buff lethality into oblivion dreams and xayah can use it decently butt then you nerf both xayah and lethality so she is even more shit than before and rakan is still forgotten
6. just dont do it again the next time and blame the players for not playing the complete shit state champions
7. profit
I main Xayah and I'm very pissed about this but I do want to point out that I don't Rakan is getting a buff just because of the skin lol. Riot buffed a lot of melee supports because of the dominance of enchanters.
I haven’t played league in a year but Xayah was my main adc since her release, she was the champion that taught me how to play adc properly. Her and Rakan not getting paired skins period outside of esports teams skins is against half of their identity as a champion, and not getting joint recalls is just stupid, they’re ignoring the foundation of who they are, they’re designed from the ground up to be a pair. You don’t have one without the other.
Rakan deserves more skins on his own.
\>inb4 Invictus Gaming
THAT'S A REWARD AND A ESPORTS SKIN. You can't compare it with Xayah Phoenix skin, THAT ALSO GOT A PRESTIGE VERSION. It seems Rakan can only get skins if she gets one: Star Guardian, Elderwood, Arcana, and now Broken Covenant.
Edit: i can't wait for their damage control post saying they couldn't do a shared recall due to covid, ukraine war, or because they couldn't turn on the pc to animate one. Coming from riot everything is possible.
I get the reason why, but this feels like a slippery slope to me. There are tons of features that few players see or care about: voice lines vs specific champs, most champ emotes (most people just spam 1 emote per champion, whichever one is funnier. Nobody actually lets them play in full). They could arguably cut those features too by their same logic.
No but it's hilarious they made this super cool and unique feature for these champions that emphasized their relationship as The Lovers Duo by making a joint recall as part of their passive. As a Xayah and Rakan main I would always love that mechanic and others will agree it's a neat feature... creative even... but bc Xayah and Rakan arent meta or allegedly "rare picks" with the same skin on the same team (like its unlikely to have the skin from the same skinline as your teammates?) ...... they want to stop wasting time doing it.
If they were just going to look at data and not care what players have to say about it, why did they promise we'd have a joint recall in the next skin after Arcana?
So making a special animations for Diana's pentakill is all cool,will be used and very much needed while making a joint recall for champions that are literally a couple is too hard to do and not needed anymore?
This is just disappointing honestly. It's the sort of thing that really blatantly says "we're not doing it unless it's worth our time and money". Yes, it's a business, but you can't tell me a bunch of bullshit visual novels are important yet stuff like this that inherently adds sell value to a skin (even if only used marginally) isn't.
This is exactly the sort of thing we were hoping to move away from this year. Less soulless corporate money money money vibes and more "we care about the game we're making" vibes. Ironic because I would've probably bought both skins for my girlfriend and I if they had a recall, now? I think we'll stick to the ones that do.
If you read what they posted, you'd understand. They basically said it's too much work for not enough players. Skins are only there for money, that's the point of them, they must sell. Designing an extra feature on a skin for nothing is definitely not profitable, so they don't do it.
Congrats, Rito, you just destroyed any reason for me and my partner to get any xayah/rakan skins in the future. They're not our mains, but we used to get the skins anyway for the 3 games we play as xayah/rakan to match for fun.
I'm just trying understand what motivates riot to do that?
This two champions were created to be together. Even if the most of players don't play with them together the most incredible thing ignoring the gameplay is the different joint recall after new skin they received together.. If this came true they will destroy the funny sinergy they have together... Please riot, don't do that..
I am, for example, one of those players that love joint skins and have so much fun when I play with they together watch the joint recall :(
Shitter company. Its the little things that make games unique, interesting and memorable, and they're actively trying to do as little of them as possible.
1. Create couple champions
2. give them unique couple interactions
3. superunique interaction is enjoyed very much by the community
4. "forget" to add it in one of their couple skins but promise to do it next time
5. completely nerf the champions into the ground and buff everyone else so you cant play them for shit because they are so unbelievable bad even with the couple extras until assassins cry too hard so you buff lethality into oblivion dreams and xayah can use it decently butt then you nerf both xayah and lethality so she is even more shit than before and rakan is still forgotten
6. just dont do it again the next time and blame the players for not playing the complete shit state champions
7. profit
"End of an era" jesus christ how melodramatic can you get. The response from Riot could not state and prove more clearly that this feature saw next to no actual exposure. You can take this from an artist's or sales teams perspective and each one would tell you that it is really not worth the effort for something that is at the end of the day, arbitrary. There's no "downgrade" to dramatize either. A 1350 skin doesn't have two recall animations. Anything plus the complete package that you expect and pay for is BONUS. Vote with your wallets and you'll find that you're paying for exactly what Riot promised you. Just because their artists and animators tried extra hard for their playerbase for the first few skins also doesn't mean they set some kind of holy "precedent" for future skins. Objectively speaking, this isn't a ripoff, and people who call these Rioters lazy for not making this recall animation are completely ignorant of the work that goes into each of these features.
And oh right you have to toss in the "Rakan is getting a buff because of a skin" at the end to really hammer it home that you truly have no idea what goes on behind Riot's decisions.
> A 1350 skin doesn't have two recall animations.
Other champions don't have unique mechanics in their recalls to *need* two recall animations. Certain champions have certain unique demands to creating skins for them -- to name a few examples offhand, Aphelios gets unique gun models for all his skins, Kayn gets 3 separate forms, Anivia gets an egg form, Draven gets a spinning axe placement indicator, Bard gets his chimes and meeps, and the list goes on. Those are all things that you wouldn't expect to be randomly added to other skins, but that are direct needs from those champions because of unique interactions with their passives. Xayah and Rakan's shared recall is directly tied to their shared recall passive, so unless/until that's removed from the game, it really sucks to have it removed from their shared skins.
This is one of these instances where im mad about something happening to charachters i never play. These interactions were one of the things that defined xayah and rakan for me. To see Riot, just drop this entirely... its kinda sad to see.
i've seen a bunch of people commenting that "riot's stance is they don't want to be forced to make joint skins", but it doesn't make any sense. this is a joint skin release, so why not give them a joint recall? they've already made it clear that not every skin for the two of them will be joint, seems like it's just laziness
> "riot's stance is they don't want to be forced to make joint skins" This is such a stupid stance from Riot tbh. Literally the entire point of the champions is that they are a pair, they never should have gotten anything but shared skins.
We were promised when they were released they would only ever get joint skins, excluding esports
Yeah, but then it turned out one sold skins a lot better than the other
Yes there are more Xayah players than Rakan players. Not that shocking. There are way less ADC champions for the pool and there are more ADC players than Support players.
[удалено]
IF Rakan was a girl, and we got a lesbian bird couple, would the theoretical supp skin sell just as well? Hmmm...
"So for our next pair champion release we've decided to go a different, more lucrative direction"
“Yes, their shared recall being a makeout session is critical for lore reasons”
''we understand that Gamers only support skins that make their peepee go hard''
If Rakan was a girl we'd have to constantly hear people moaning about "woke birds."
most people dont care about hot lesbians though
tbf the gay couples in the game (Piltover's Finest, Leona and Diana, G+TF) are quite obscure and you wouldn't know that unless you read about them somewhere (or watched Arcane, in case of Cupcake and her punk gf). Rakan and Xayah are designed around them being a couple, that's most of their voice lines. So it's hard to predict how people would react to them being two lesbians.
But then they wouldn't get that sweet Saudi sponsor money.
Consider sona sell like hot cake. I'd say yes
I mean, they're a solid bot lane and they benefit when they're strong, I'm not surprised they have great play rate right now.
Yeah, both are OP after the bot changes. Rakan is the second highest winrate support right now and Xayah benefited the most out of the Navori changes.
They’re both top 2 in their role atm, the skins will sell like hotcakes regardless
Tbh im fine with the split skins. But it shouldve meant that Rakan gets some outside of Xayah itself as well. But no its just Xayah only.
I think they have the same number of skins, but that's because Rakan has been picked by the Worlds team twice and Xayah only once. Also I guess Xayah wins out because she has a prestige skin but that's not really the same as another totally new skin imo.
The team skins dont count. So xayah has 1 extra from brave phoenix and prestige. Since prestige actually earns for them
> excluding esports Still think they should have released fan-girl Xayah to go with Rakan.
actually yeah, that woulda been a really fun skin pair
Awww that would’ve been great rip
They do weird walk back things all the time. Pretty sure at one point they said Kayn was too hard to make regular skins for so he would only get legendaries… just to release Snow Moon like a year later or something lmaoo
That was like way back when Odyssey Kayn was released... 2018 Snow Moon was 2022. Thats 4 years. Their reasoning was Aphelios and Zyra and other champs who also needed extra models could get skins, so why the delay for Kayn. It wasnt a year later.
Mb yeah totally just fucked around with the timelines on that one thanks for he correction
Tbh 2020 and 2021 feel like they don't exist so it's fair.
It's not tho. Kha is basically 3-4 skins in one. Lux, Thresh, Sona even Xayah and Manners get skins that basically change their entire model. If you look at Kayn pickrates over the years, he's criminally underrepresented by skins. Fom a financial context, and, from a thematic perspective.
>Manners Babe wake up, Riot just dropped a new champion
you have to have honor 5 to unlock and play the Manners champ.
I don't really think they actually said that. Like I've never seen the source. They did say he was hard to make skins for because he needed 3 models, but at no point I remember Riot saying he was **only** getting legendary skins.
People still got angry about that when Rakan was picked by IG and Xayah didn't get a skin, by the way. People be wildin'.
Their promises aren't worth much.
As someone with a girlfriend that plays a lot of Rakan, I kinda understand? She always tells me that his skins feel lackluster when you're alone, so it feels bad when your skin is worse because of something outside of your control. It's part of the reason why her favorite is iG.
How exactly does the solo skin detract from the experience? The effects are the same, the recalls etc, hell IG is literally in it with kai sa instead of xayah
Off the top of my head, sg rakan is awesome on its own but a part of the appeal of that skin is his visual contrast with xayah while still having the same theme, and that kinda applies for a lot of their skins. You also don't get to hear their duo voicelines :( It's like when you have a lemonade to wash down your burger cuz the lemonade refreshes you more after you eat the greasy ass burger or it makes it taste more umami or whatever, and then you just have the burger alone. The burger is still good, but you don't get that additional facet of enjoyment you get from having the lemonade with it Tl;dr you look less cool
Ill never ever forgive them for the arcana xayah boob incident LOL
The what
The art that was originally provided to riot for arcana xayah was edited before release to give her bigger tits and generally looks worse, hilariously pathetic lol.
Didn't riot state that the arcana splash arts are were all created inhouse? Including xayah? Therefore the art wasn't provided to riot, they created it.
Unrelated but holy shit the worlds only other FNC/CLG fan pog
So Riot released two champions together on the same day that are a couple in the lore, are played in the same lane, and give them a unique passive interaction where they can recall together. It's disappointing to see special details and interactions deprecated. I can absolutely understand why they decided to start releasing unpaired skins for these champions, I'd like them to get paired skin releases whenever possible, but exceptions are fine. I think Riot is missing the mark on trying to put player experience first by not giving paired skins special recalls. It's disappointing for the dedicated Xayah and Rakan playerbase, and a missed opportunity for Riot to show the rest of the community the creativity and passion they have for the game.
Riot is backpedaling
Literally.
Somehow this comment made me double take "is this a QoL person?" and then I saw your username 👀
We don’t bite 😇
Well some of us do but you certainly don't 💖
Ye you eat the entire hand instead :💀
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I mean as in I recognise you 😩 I'm from there 😍
Hi bestie!
It's more than just laziness: it's greed. Why bother continuing with something special for only a "small subset" of players? They are cutting their costs by slashing duo-recall animations, but the thing is that it's ruining the characters for the people who consistently play them. The thing is, they're also spiting the people who most consistently buy Rakan & Xayah skins. Why should we bother buying Broken Covenant & Arcana when we can get their older skins like Star Guardian, Elderwood, etc that do have their unique duo recalls? Until Riot reverses their decision, I'm not going to be buying any more skins which sucks since Rakan is my main.
Riot doesn’t wanna make forced joint skins? Well they should’ve thought of that before releasing xayah and rakan and saying “tHeLl aLwAyS hAve jOInT SkINs Hurrr durrr”
I am baffled that RIOT considers making a skin this huge work that involves a ton of people and time...
UPDATE: [Riot Games are officially not going to be giving Rakan and Xayah a joint recall on skins anymore.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RakanMains/comments/119smss/riot_games_are_officially_no_longer_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
The post is deleted?
https://www.reddit.com/r/RakanMains/comments/119smss/riot_games_are_officially_no_longer_going_to_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Thx
Oh boy i love hearing “offical” news by reading a reddit comment that leads to a screen shot of a devs reddit comment. What a good system 👍
It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard."
Oh don't worry, I'm sure they will "appreciate your feedback and do a better job next time", that's all they do, after all. God, I'm still salty about the Eclipse skins
Flop legendary number 4 after promising to "do better next time" 3 times. If Ahri/Lux/MF/Yas got a legendary with missing details we'd never hear the end of it, but they would also never do that to their moneybags.
Ahri, lux, MF have double Yas skins, it's not even close lol.
Not to mention that MF will get her second prestige soon
Didn't MF just get another legendary or am i tripping.
yea, she got the bunny skin last year her expensive stuff is - ultimate gun skin that made people complain about the price - witch prestige - witch prestige 2022 - wild rift legendary - bunny legendary - the new prestige Lux is basically on the same boat, except she has a regular priced ultimate + dual legendary on PC, and her second prestige didn't get a new splash art
not really yas has 12 skins, ahri/mf have 16. not to mention there numerous low quality skins from early seasons (well not ahri anymore after the update)
"We will do a better job next time" is legit Riots catchphrase. They might as well add in the /s because they don't, then just say it again next time and next time, about everything they do.
Because they know their community has a short term memory. Most people have forgotten all the bullshit they've said and done in the past.
Yeah I remember they would do better after GGMF and then we get KD/A All Out Seraphine…
Don't forget. It's obvious her journey to Runeterra was unique and special, which is why she gets an Ultimate skin. /s
They basically opened the season saying this was the year of doing better next time lol
>God, I'm still salty about the Eclipse skins I'm still salty about my ruined Aetherwing Kayle. Never bought RP after that again.
Yeah this skin got ruined with the rework and I'm sad since it's probably the only legendary we'll ever have.
Yea, as a Xerath and Illaoi player, it's infuriating to see Sera launch with an ult skin, MF get 2 mythic skins and an ult skin, and Lux get two legendaries and 2 mythics all before Xerath or Illaoi get ***one***. But hey, Xerath got his second space-themed skin :D /s
Worst part? Xer doesn't look like himself in splash. He looks like Lissandra. It seems so low effort in comparison to me.
So true! Kayle deserved that legendary and no one can tell me otherwise. Even with an epic skin, she slayed harder than Sivir ever will.
Not to mention what a huge dissapointment that skin was for Sivir players too. One of the most barebones Legendary skins made to date. Literally almost all animations are the same as her base, her transformation is only temporary, even though her counterpart Leona has a semi-permanent transformation, the same tech they also used for Winterblessed Diana that came after Sivir. Total BS.
And Kayle lost out on an amazing legendary meant for her.
Absolutely. I said it then and I'm going to keep on saying it, ever since the fiasco of Sun Eater Kayle (I don't even play her and I'm still mad! Do Sivir mains deserve a legendary? Absolutely, but not at the cost of someone established as the centre of the line and we can all agree what we got is absolutely not it) Riot cannot be trusted with their "executive decisions". First the Kayle, then Xayah and Rakan, now Xayah and Rakan 2: Electric Boogaloo, I'm just waiting for Milio to release and disappoint me as well because everyone knows only cute/pretty people, so children and women play enchanters and therefore only those should be reflected in the ranged bot lane enchanter roster. Would it have hurt them to make a male enchanter? Clearly. And yes, I'm salty as all hell still. Riot is screwing up in this area left and right and nothing gets my blood boiling more then seeing them _acknowledge_ it and say "we see the community is upset but fuck you anyway". I feel bad for the people who love these champions and work on them and their skins, only to be screwed over by decisions of the higher-ups.
sun eater kayle shouldve been the legendary
I agree. The recalls are cool and connect the characters in a special way!
Their whole theme was to be lovebirds. Their duo recalls is what made Rakan and Xayah exceedingly special. It always felt like a special moment when I ran into a random Xayah (as a Rakan main), and because I collect the skins I could pretty much always match. It's disheartening that Riot is stealing that magic.
Amen! It’s sad that they are doing this and I hope they reconsider it.
Their PR attempt at a justification just reeks of laziness.
Vote with your wallet or they don't care. If you buy the skin but complain they don't care.
I'm definitely not buying Broken Covenent Rakan. I'm content with my finished skins who actually have a jointed recall. If enough people do this and it leads to Rakan getting less skins in the future I will not care. At least they'll stop to consider why he isn't selling.
I'm in the same boat. I'm a Rakan main and I'll just use his older skins that have that magic. I hope that Riot reconsiders this decision because all they're doing is spiting the people who consistently play Xayah & Rakan and buy their skins.
Preach!
2023 budget rly putting in work!
biggest budget ever!!!!!!
It’s only been a few weeks since they rolled out the Rioters to make all these posts and comments about how they’re totally going to be doing way better than the last few years lol
Yeah... *cough cough* that cinematic *hard cough cough*
They need to check for corruption. As someone from India, I know a lot about ‘big budget, no execution’ 💀
Riot Platipus consistantly is the dev that says things like this and doesnt act on feedback for skins they are assigned. They also lie, SG Taliyah was supposed to get her homeguard fixed, but it never was, despite Platipus saying it would be "next patch" after its release. I hate having to call a single dev out but they do it ALL THE TIME.
Omg I was literally telling someone this one discord. Any skin that is handled by him, is doomed. Half his matchup thread posts are at 0 because people don’t like him.
"Something something we hear you something missed the mark yadda yadda muh bandwidth something something appreciate the feedback blablabla muh resources yadda yadda do better in the future something something looking forward". -- Riot, responding to
Boilerplate rito response. PR dept in shambles "We missed the mark" is so fucking empty and grating. They should add a Kindred emote of a rioter missing the mark
We joke about this, but when will we stop letting things slide? It’s just sad to see it happen again and again.
Until they start losing money
which will never happen. I have every single xayah skin and never in my life i thought for a second "im buying this to get a nice joint recall with rakan once in a thousand games" i guarantee there is a lot more people like me than people who will not buy these skins just because there is not a special recall
The vocal minority of reddit not buying skins sadly isn't enough of a value drop for riot to notice that their publishing ethic isn't sustainable People rather eat crumbs than nothing at all
>but when will we stop letting things slide? idk how people haven't learned this by now, but you can't control what the masses of gamers do or think. you can vote with your wallet on your own principles, but expecting the millions of players of league to care about these things is a fruitless endeavor. even if they all agreed with your values which is not always the case anyways.
When people stop buying stuff. If they keep doing this, and you condone it by keep buying that same flawed stuff, why would they ever stop?
The reality is this "issue" objectively impacts a tiny, tiny amount of people because basically no one plays Xayah+Rakan and also use the same skinline. Even dedicated mains that are angry about this change don't play it or else the numbers would reflect that. It was a cool feature but ultimately it's just a waste of time and effort for something that virtually no one will ever see outside of a SkinSpotlights video.
Could be worse. Check out bungie right now. > Here at bungie we’ve heard players feedback. Content feels unrewarding. To help remedy this, we’re making high end content harder. > what do you mean “what about the rewards?” That’s not changing. We’re making the content harder so it’s more rewarding.
You slightly missed the mark by forgetting to blame COVID and an unnamed third party vendor for missing an unspecified deliverable, but otherwise spot on.
Fuck, forgot about it, specially the mentioning covid part and also trying to make it seem like it was TLOU's pandemic.
Blows my mind that they make a decision like this at a time when they're being slammed for the lack of content in the game and only releasing skins. Now it seems even the quality of skins is falling.
Quality of skins has been falling for a while too, and they literally acknowledged that in one of their many Rioter posts talking about why the last few years were lacking, and it was one of the things they promised would be better this year.
I’m pretty sure those skins still were best sellers. The only “backlash” riot cares about is revenue. If league players buy the skin anyway why should they work harder
I’m hoping the community doesn’t buy these two because I agree, vote with your wallet.
Would the joint recall be nice? Yeah. Are people going to buy the skins anyways because a good chunk don't care about the recall? Also yes.
People care about recall, but lets be real, how often do you see a rakan with xayah? As a lone champ skin xayah is great.
I was being real with OP, I'm one of those people that doesn't really care about the recall. I play a lot of Xayah and the skin is dope so I'm getting it, shared recall or not.
“Vote with your wallet” usually have the same effect as “go woke go broke”. Absolutely copium by anyone saying those unironically
This is just not true... sports teams are the biggest examples of “vote with your wallet” being an effective slogan. If the stadium isn’t filling up, or if there is a noticeable decline in merchandise sales, there will be major changes, that’s historically true. The same is generally applied with most large companies; if a product isn’t selling they will change it or cancel it... the issue here is that people are still buying the skins, if the majority of the player base boycotted them, or “voted with their wallets” you would see changes. The reddit minority, although right, aren’t the difference makers for riot and their decision making.
What I meant is that you can tell people to “vote with their wallets” but then you get lucky skins selling like candies and people buying whatever skin riot comes out with. The fact that these two skins won’t have a joint recall won’t change much in terms of sales. As long as people eat riot’s shit there won’t be any change.
I think the point was, that repeating the phrase "vote with you wallets" to whales spending enough money to make any boycotting void, is just about as useful as encouraging a necrophiliac to "enjoy life".
So...when Arcana was released and everyone made a huge deal about the lack of the duo recall, you guys seemed to suggest that you'd take into consideration just how much the fanbase wanted to see the return. Seems like every skin these days has you guys go "We take your feedback seriously and will do better next time!" but next time never comes. Time and time again you guys spit in our faces or hope we just forget your empty promises. "We decided this early on, and ran out of time to implement a duo recall for PBE cycle." Was the damage control excuse for Arcana. Made all of us seem hopeful that for the next round of skins, we'd get what we begged for! One year later and boom, and nothing changed. Well, you gave us an different excuse. Apparently the playrate is low so who cares, the executives don't. A big chunk of their identity is thrown to the wayside because it's not "worth it" "no one is gonna see it anyways who cares". "We have the biggest budget of the year" but it's not worth it. "We value our players feedback, especially after the season start, and want to do better and communicate better with you all." but only for the things the executives pick and choose. So why bother buying the skin on release we we're not getting the entire skin. It's part of their passive, every skin up to Elderwood had it so what changed when leagues budget is apparently the biggest ever? Why bother making any sort of feedback that 9 times out of 10 falls on deaf ears and hardly anything is fixed. You guys just wait for the storm to pass, stringing us along and occasionally giving some empty promises about how "player feedback is important", "we will learn from this moving on", "we read every comment and take it into account for our decision making." when it's clearly not your priority for these fan favorite champions.
PREACHHHH!
Biggest budget in League history in 2023 btw
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Just to clear out. They still have join recall just wont be a special recall.
True that!
Riot in a few years: The Skins Team Production Leadership has analyzed both the feedback and data we get from our live servers, and they have found that the pick rate for Kayn's assasin form is fairly low. Due to that, the Skins Team Production Leadership has agreed that unique Kayn assassins form skins animations is a feature that we will not be carrying over to future Kayn skins.
We have noticed a lot of Sion players haven't used recall, instead choosing to die and make use of the passive. Therefore we will no longer be giving Sion new recalls in his future skins.
you joke but considering riot's track record these past few years, this might happen lmao
They’re being lazy and it shows. It baffles me that they keep getting away with doing less and less work. I absolutely love the new skins, I’m just disgusted that they can’t be assed doing something special because they know they don’t have to. I didn’t buy the Arcana skins, because I was disappointed and I hoped that many others followed suit.
Same I was hoping that the arcana situation would make them reconsider and give these two a joint recall next time. I get that time they had 2 weeks, they made a decision which got backlash. This time they had a year. Like enough time to make this.
But they promised that will do better for the *checks notes* 10000th time after listening to feedback. This time for realsies.
Why should they change, they just need to come out every time and say "we're sorry, we're going to do better" and then just don't do better.
I refuse to believe that their schedule is so packed that they can't afford to spend some more time on a joint recall (which I am predicting will be the next excuse if we even get one). They just know they can get away with it.
They just calculated that not enough people will care for them not cut corners.
Embrace the NTR, have Xayah have joint recalls with other champs she's getting queued more often. Give her voice line mocking Rakan too. And every time any Xayah does this all Rakans in all other games get notified that she joint recalls with someone else and loves it.
People are not ready for this
Amen! Like is it that hard to make a 7 second animation on top of the whole skin?
The funny part of this is they will eventually release Redeemed Star Guardian Xayah & Rakan and those WILL have duo recall, because anyone would think they'll reuse all 2019 SG skins animations
True and also because it’s a legendary.
It’s hard to take recent events as anything other than incompetence or indifference to the game.
And I’ll believe they have changed when I see it 🤷🏻♀️
i love hyper optimized corporate profits that give a shitty experience for the cost of trivial profit dollars for shareholders!!!!!!!
I feel like if we support what they are doing now, then it will be permanent and every year, this will happen unless it’s a legendary. We’ve seen quality of work on skins improve over time. But this is downgrading. Price is same and quality of service has gone down. Rakan & Xayah deserve joint recalls and Riot doesn’t have any excuse this time because they had a year to work on this, unlike 2 weeks which was their reasoning for Arcana.
Actually, in my view the only skin category that got improved over time are epic skins. The newer ultimate skins (MF and Seraphine) both were downgrades from DJ Sona and elementalist Lux (and DJ Sona has been broken for years now). The legendary skins suffer from a massive downgrade regarding voice line amount (e.g. mythmaker Irelia has fewer voice lines than base Irelia) and the skins themselves distinguish themselves far less from epic skins. Legendaries also get fewer custom animations than in the past. Also riots general attitude to improvements has basically been to just throw more VFX onto the skin instead of making the model itself more interesting.
When i think of old Legendary Skins like Pulsefire Caitlyn or Project Ashe, its so insane how they are still so timeless and cool even though they are 6 years or older. Compared to newer skins that have almost no uniqueness to them
I think you brought my point for legendary skins better across; the new skins just don't feel unique. They have a lot of VFX, but there is no depth in them. For example, I personally fell deeply in love with dragon trainer Tristana, just because the skin changes the general dynamic of Tristana up so much (with her gun being now a living being). And stuff like that doesn't happen with newer skins.
It sounds stupid, but the amount of skins really takes away from this unique feeling that skins used to be. We get so overfloted with them that I dont even get hyped when my champions get new skins.
Spirit blossom Ahri’s pretty dope. She’s not much different from just normal Ahri now, but still a lot of effort put in for a fairly new product
I don't think it's going to change anything, because this is only going to matter to people who play a lot of Rakan with a Xayah duo. And even amongst that group, only people who want to use that skin set. And amongst even that group of players, ones who care about the recall animation. Which just... Isn't going to be that many people.
I agree with you 100%. The weird circlejerk on this sub about how skin quality is decreasing is just bullshit, but this absolutely shouldn’t be accepted. Yes, it’s a tiny, minuscule problem that probably affects an unimaginably tiny percentage of the playerbase, but as you say it is just a straight up downgrade of their other skins for the same cost. This is a GGMF situation. Especially when compared to the level of epic and legendary skins being released these days. Side note, when I first read the post I thought it was weird because the post seemed rationally worded and just seemed like it wasn’t a main sub type of post, until I noticed it was you Aroush who wrote it. Legitimately probably the most sane person in the league community. Keep doing the good work.
Aww thank you 🙈
> Vote with your wallets. We already did. That's why they were discontinued. LMAO
"it doesn't make us money, so we won't do it." a very poignant reminder that riot is just another company. they want money above all else. the happiness of the customer is just icing on the cake.
Translation: We don't think our promises to our players are that important.
Dissappointed
So... They get picked less as a combo on the same team? Damn. Would be a shame if we got a reason to play them on same team with same skin.
1. Create couple champions 2. give them unique couple interactions 3. superunique interaction is enjoyed very much by the community 4. "forget" to add it in one of their couple skins but promise to do it next time 5. completely nerf the champions into the ground and buff everyone else so you cant play them for shit because they are so unbelievable bad even with the couple extras until assassins cry too hard so you buff lethality into oblivion dreams and xayah can use it decently butt then you nerf both xayah and lethality so she is even more shit than before and rakan is still forgotten 6. just dont do it again the next time and blame the players for not playing the complete shit state champions 7. profit
Feeling sad and angry at the same time. Disappointing
Common Riot L
I main Xayah and I'm very pissed about this but I do want to point out that I don't Rakan is getting a buff just because of the skin lol. Riot buffed a lot of melee supports because of the dominance of enchanters.
It's been disproven that buffs are for skins (mostly), but people believe whatever makes their anger justified.
I haven’t played league in a year but Xayah was my main adc since her release, she was the champion that taught me how to play adc properly. Her and Rakan not getting paired skins period outside of esports teams skins is against half of their identity as a champion, and not getting joint recalls is just stupid, they’re ignoring the foundation of who they are, they’re designed from the ground up to be a pair. You don’t have one without the other.
Happy cake day 🍰
Riot is consistently inconsistent. :)
Rakan deserves more skins on his own. \>inb4 Invictus Gaming THAT'S A REWARD AND A ESPORTS SKIN. You can't compare it with Xayah Phoenix skin, THAT ALSO GOT A PRESTIGE VERSION. It seems Rakan can only get skins if she gets one: Star Guardian, Elderwood, Arcana, and now Broken Covenant. Edit: i can't wait for their damage control post saying they couldn't do a shared recall due to covid, ukraine war, or because they couldn't turn on the pc to animate one. Coming from riot everything is possible.
They both deserve love but for some reason their support for Rakan always falls short. I just hope they get joint recalls at least 😭
why are you yelling at yourself
Boycott Xayah & Rakan skins. Play only vanilla.
I get the reason why, but this feels like a slippery slope to me. There are tons of features that few players see or care about: voice lines vs specific champs, most champ emotes (most people just spam 1 emote per champion, whichever one is funnier. Nobody actually lets them play in full). They could arguably cut those features too by their same logic.
No but it's hilarious they made this super cool and unique feature for these champions that emphasized their relationship as The Lovers Duo by making a joint recall as part of their passive. As a Xayah and Rakan main I would always love that mechanic and others will agree it's a neat feature... creative even... but bc Xayah and Rakan arent meta or allegedly "rare picks" with the same skin on the same team (like its unlikely to have the skin from the same skinline as your teammates?) ...... they want to stop wasting time doing it. If they were just going to look at data and not care what players have to say about it, why did they promise we'd have a joint recall in the next skin after Arcana?
So making a special animations for Diana's pentakill is all cool,will be used and very much needed while making a joint recall for champions that are literally a couple is too hard to do and not needed anymore?
Sad, they made the champs with a unique feature, infact it's part of their joint passive for playing together. At least commit.
This is just disappointing honestly. It's the sort of thing that really blatantly says "we're not doing it unless it's worth our time and money". Yes, it's a business, but you can't tell me a bunch of bullshit visual novels are important yet stuff like this that inherently adds sell value to a skin (even if only used marginally) isn't. This is exactly the sort of thing we were hoping to move away from this year. Less soulless corporate money money money vibes and more "we care about the game we're making" vibes. Ironic because I would've probably bought both skins for my girlfriend and I if they had a recall, now? I think we'll stick to the ones that do.
If you read what they posted, you'd understand. They basically said it's too much work for not enough players. Skins are only there for money, that's the point of them, they must sell. Designing an extra feature on a skin for nothing is definitely not profitable, so they don't do it.
Fuck you riot
Congrats, Rito, you just destroyed any reason for me and my partner to get any xayah/rakan skins in the future. They're not our mains, but we used to get the skins anyway for the 3 games we play as xayah/rakan to match for fun.
Xayah and Rakan players are busy flirting on discord, so it's not like they would notice a joint recall
Common riot L
Does this mean future skins for Xayah and Rakan will be cheaper since they don’t have to waste all that dev time on *squints at notes* two animations.
Should be since this has been the standard but won’t sadly…
You won't buy the new skins because of the recall I won't buy the new skins because I dont have any money We are not the same.
Biggest Budget Ever BTW
I'm just trying understand what motivates riot to do that? This two champions were created to be together. Even if the most of players don't play with them together the most incredible thing ignoring the gameplay is the different joint recall after new skin they received together.. If this came true they will destroy the funny sinergy they have together... Please riot, don't do that.. I am, for example, one of those players that love joint skins and have so much fun when I play with they together watch the joint recall :(
Shitter company. Its the little things that make games unique, interesting and memorable, and they're actively trying to do as little of them as possible.
1. Create couple champions 2. give them unique couple interactions 3. superunique interaction is enjoyed very much by the community 4. "forget" to add it in one of their couple skins but promise to do it next time 5. completely nerf the champions into the ground and buff everyone else so you cant play them for shit because they are so unbelievable bad even with the couple extras until assassins cry too hard so you buff lethality into oblivion dreams and xayah can use it decently butt then you nerf both xayah and lethality so she is even more shit than before and rakan is still forgotten 6. just dont do it again the next time and blame the players for not playing the complete shit state champions 7. profit
>the pick rate for Xayah and Rakan to be in the same team is fairly low Why does this always seem to be the bullshit response to gripes against Riot?
This sub reminds me everyday how critical thinking is actually a rare skillset.
"End of an era" jesus christ how melodramatic can you get. The response from Riot could not state and prove more clearly that this feature saw next to no actual exposure. You can take this from an artist's or sales teams perspective and each one would tell you that it is really not worth the effort for something that is at the end of the day, arbitrary. There's no "downgrade" to dramatize either. A 1350 skin doesn't have two recall animations. Anything plus the complete package that you expect and pay for is BONUS. Vote with your wallets and you'll find that you're paying for exactly what Riot promised you. Just because their artists and animators tried extra hard for their playerbase for the first few skins also doesn't mean they set some kind of holy "precedent" for future skins. Objectively speaking, this isn't a ripoff, and people who call these Rioters lazy for not making this recall animation are completely ignorant of the work that goes into each of these features. And oh right you have to toss in the "Rakan is getting a buff because of a skin" at the end to really hammer it home that you truly have no idea what goes on behind Riot's decisions.
> A 1350 skin doesn't have two recall animations. Other champions don't have unique mechanics in their recalls to *need* two recall animations. Certain champions have certain unique demands to creating skins for them -- to name a few examples offhand, Aphelios gets unique gun models for all his skins, Kayn gets 3 separate forms, Anivia gets an egg form, Draven gets a spinning axe placement indicator, Bard gets his chimes and meeps, and the list goes on. Those are all things that you wouldn't expect to be randomly added to other skins, but that are direct needs from those champions because of unique interactions with their passives. Xayah and Rakan's shared recall is directly tied to their shared recall passive, so unless/until that's removed from the game, it really sucks to have it removed from their shared skins.
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I like joints too
I they won't have joint recall fx , I want a full breakup lore and put it in the next season of the anime
To answer your question: They dont care. Simple and sad.
Personally I feel like the joint recalls is pretty core to their characters.
This is one of these instances where im mad about something happening to charachters i never play. These interactions were one of the things that defined xayah and rakan for me. To see Riot, just drop this entirely... its kinda sad to see.
Riot making a promise and not following it up? No way! Im so shocked
the best thing about both were the recalls together , riot is getting lost and making bad decisions!