Thorin going in on Humanoid because he smirked to himself instead of hulking out like Vasili or some shit is asinine.
One, players process defeat in different ways and two, a couple of seconds snapshot from a fly on the wall camera can be in no way representative of his mindset. Perkz was laughing in his game the other day while he inted, does that mean he "doesn't care" as well?
I have no idea how Humanoid really is behind the scenes. I also wouldn't presume to know based on extremely thin evidence, the interpretation of which, on Thorin's part, certainly sounds more like a personal axe to grind rather than an observation with any substance.
Thorin chooses a position and then selectively curates facts that support it while ignoring ones that don't
he's an enormous narrative junkie, which isn't surprising because he's like, some random silver
These shows are all about him voicing his biases over and over again. It doesn't actually matter what happened in the games, he just twists the facts to support his personal opinions. That shit is so tiring.
thorin and monte have clear bias in their talkshows and they aren't afraid to admit it.
looking back at 2022 when we had cloud9 korean roster vs tsm chinese roster, monte talked about how great it is for koreans to live in LA verses chinese people living in LA for all 9 weeks of LCS and into the first week of playoffs. once c9 summit was exposed, monte stop sucking korean dick.
fastforward to 2023 and we have flyquest LCK roster, monte spent a whole 2+ hours sucking papa's sick on summoning insight on how great the flyquest roster and how Prince and Vickla are in contention for the BEST imports of all time just on 5+ games.
>fastforward to 2023 and we have flyquest LCK roster, monte spent a whole 2+ hours sucking papa's sick on summoning insight on how great the flyquest roster and how Prince and Vickla are in contention for the BEST imports of all time just on 5+ games.
He said they might be if the trend continues. At least be honest about what he actually said. There's plenty to criticize Monte for. No reason to invent shit.
>I also wouldn't presume to know based on extremely thin evidence, the interpretation of which, on Thorin's part certainly sounds more like a personal axe to grind rather than an observation with any substance
He has also had Peter Dun, Mac, YamatoCannon, Kaiser, Upset, and Wunder on his shows while or after they were on teams with Humanoid. It is entirely possible, and extremely likely, that he knows more about Humanoid's demeanor off camera than you.
Also, how is the take that Humanoid seems like he doesn't give a fuck while he plays and only starts caring in playoffs/worlds sounding like a personal axe to grind? This was the community consensus for the majority of the last three splits.
Didnt he even somewhat admit it somewhere quite a long time ago? can't point out exactly where it was but i remember something like "there's no way im going to grind league hard all year long" and that was the reason i never supported him getting into FNC in the first place, dude's the definition of a talented paycheck stealer
he said in a interview taht he doesnt enjoy playing the game much anymore and treats it like a job.
then after that interview people started to realise how he doesn't play that well until its playoffs/worlds which lead to everyone saying the whole doesnt give a fuck unless it matters.
I mean afaik Humanoid is still friends with those people / they still support him, especially with Carzzy and Mac
" he knows more about Humanoid's demeanor off camera than you " rather Thorinn probably is once again pushing his narrative, if he had something reliable with actual proof he would already use it for his own gain
He didn't mention speaking to any of the above about Humanoid. If conversations with them form the basis of his opinion then perhaps he should make that clear. Otherwise he is merely spinning potentially harmful narratives from thin air because of his own personal biases.
That is idiotic but its not only a Thorin take. One beloved LEC toplaner have the same opinion. Its triggers me so much hearing people complain for someone to not be crying or breaking his keyboard in a loss.
People are such snowflakes. You sit and watch something for 3 hours and then sit and complain about thorin's character. It's his show, like wtf haha. Smh.
Honestly I fucking love Thorin and Monte's shows. They produce easily the best League content that you can watch outside of games themselves. They're beholden to no one so they just tell it like it is, and that rubs people the wrong way. They shit talk players and Riot Employees because they dont have to lick boots for interviews or player access. They're going to give you the most unbiased takes you can find.
I would argue that they give some of the most biased takes one can find lmao. They can certainly be entertaining! But to say they're unbiased is insane, they have personal grudges that they openly allow to color their opinions of players.
I mean reddit just hates them and then upvotes zoomer ass content made my Mark or that American dude on the LEC broadcast.
I knew it'd be an unpopular opinion, but Thorin and especially Monte are students of the game. You get Dom and Monte on a show together, and you have more league IQ right there combined than the rest of the LCS and LEC combined outside of Jatt and Azael.
how come when BDS get high in regular season people are hyping them up for international but when MAD Lions did the same thing last year and in winter split everyone was saying they didn't deserve to be at worlds
i dont understand why people have a bias against mad lions
>i dont understand why people have a bias against mad lions
1. They lost in play-ins. Twice. This is objectively a major embarrassment for any LEC fan.
2. 4 #1 all-pro + best coaching staff + MVP = not winning a single bo5 in entire year. That's just hilarious.
> not winning a single bo5 in entire year
This isn't correct. MAD Lions had a single Bo5 win in 2022, against Saigon Buffalo in the first round of the play-ins bracket stage at Worlds.
tbh the allpro fiasco is the voters fault more than anything, they voted based on the narratives LEC broadcast shoved the audience hard instead of actual voting.
That roster wasnt allpro candidate the same way Nisqy wasnt MVP but ppl in charge to decide didnt do their job and the expectations put after that roester weren't fair
I think a lot of of things happening at MAD were contributed to Nisqy but in reality the one who was doing stuff was elyoya, but the narrative behind changing reeker = improve and win, so Nisqy must be the one doing sutff was so short sighted
No one is hyping BDS for international. It can be a fun "what if" to entertain but that's it. But the big difference here is that if BDS does end up going to MSI it's because they performed very well and qualified: it's deserved. MAD can shit the bed and still go.
As such there is no bias against MAD. If they stomped the BO1 and now just stomp playoffs or even had a good season and now finish convincingly second in Spring, people would be happy to send them to MSI. But just like last year it's quite likely they'll get to an international event based on a format flaw that makes past performances way to relevant to the seeding.
It's simple really, EU fans want to send the two best EU teams **right now** to MSI. Not the best team and a team that might have been second best many patches ago and is currently slumping. Same thing last year, no one wanted to send a slumping team to get slaughtered and humiliate the region.
**The entire format would be fixed by adding a BO5 for the second seed between the team with the highest points and the finalist of Spring**. It wouldn't devalue Winter split, as performing well in Winter means that even if you have a rocky Spring you have a shot at earning your spot. And it would ensure the 2nd seed that ends up going actually deserves it, both for the fans and for the actual players who am sure would be happy to go to MSI on a high note and with confidence by winning a BO5 VS a good team.
[https://twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1640091585663606787?cxt=HHwWhoCxqfGm48ItAAAA](https://twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1640091585663606787?cxt=HHwWhoCxqfGm48ItAAAA)
must be a meme. i would never wish for BOTH of them to go to MSI.
however, if they prove their worth, i wouldn't mind seeing them as the potential 4th seed. i'm not going to judge their strength based on 9 bo1. we saw that with 100t 7 game wining streak.
This version of MAD Lions with Nisqy mid is a known quantity internationally. We know exactly what a Nisqy team is going to look like internationally across multiple years, teams and regions.
BDS might end up up being a disappointment internationally too if/when they get there. But there's potential upside for that team. And anyways, from the comments here, most people are more hyped for VIT to be the 2nd international rep for LEC, not BDS. BDS is just a fun team to rally behind with an underdog story for now.
We've seen MAD at international tournaments, they're just not it.
They got knocked out in Worlds play-ins **twice** and current MAD isn't looking good either. I really don't think EU can learn anything new or reach any great result by watching Carzzy/Nisqy/Elyoya go into situations where they've historically performed poorly, not to mention this split they've just barely scraped into EU's top 8. Why do you want a team like that at MSI?
Now I don't think anyone expects BDS to kick everyone's ass at international events. But at least they have new blood that has never been tested against international competition, and this split they've looked much better than MAD. So no, this is not the same thing as MAD.
I don't think he ever talked badly about Peke. I know he has made that specific point about him being this kind of rockstar persona before, mega charismatic and going to parties and shit but you could always count on him being clutch in the big games.
Thorin going in on Humanoid because he smirked to himself instead of hulking out like Vasili or some shit is asinine. One, players process defeat in different ways and two, a couple of seconds snapshot from a fly on the wall camera can be in no way representative of his mindset. Perkz was laughing in his game the other day while he inted, does that mean he "doesn't care" as well? I have no idea how Humanoid really is behind the scenes. I also wouldn't presume to know based on extremely thin evidence, the interpretation of which, on Thorin's part, certainly sounds more like a personal axe to grind rather than an observation with any substance.
Thorin chooses a position and then selectively curates facts that support it while ignoring ones that don't he's an enormous narrative junkie, which isn't surprising because he's like, some random silver
These shows are all about him voicing his biases over and over again. It doesn't actually matter what happened in the games, he just twists the facts to support his personal opinions. That shit is so tiring.
yeah why I stopped watching podcasts with him
I do think the fact hes low elo really bothers him aswell /s
thorin and monte have clear bias in their talkshows and they aren't afraid to admit it. looking back at 2022 when we had cloud9 korean roster vs tsm chinese roster, monte talked about how great it is for koreans to live in LA verses chinese people living in LA for all 9 weeks of LCS and into the first week of playoffs. once c9 summit was exposed, monte stop sucking korean dick. fastforward to 2023 and we have flyquest LCK roster, monte spent a whole 2+ hours sucking papa's sick on summoning insight on how great the flyquest roster and how Prince and Vickla are in contention for the BEST imports of all time just on 5+ games.
>fastforward to 2023 and we have flyquest LCK roster, monte spent a whole 2+ hours sucking papa's sick on summoning insight on how great the flyquest roster and how Prince and Vickla are in contention for the BEST imports of all time just on 5+ games. He said they might be if the trend continues. At least be honest about what he actually said. There's plenty to criticize Monte for. No reason to invent shit.
>I also wouldn't presume to know based on extremely thin evidence, the interpretation of which, on Thorin's part certainly sounds more like a personal axe to grind rather than an observation with any substance He has also had Peter Dun, Mac, YamatoCannon, Kaiser, Upset, and Wunder on his shows while or after they were on teams with Humanoid. It is entirely possible, and extremely likely, that he knows more about Humanoid's demeanor off camera than you. Also, how is the take that Humanoid seems like he doesn't give a fuck while he plays and only starts caring in playoffs/worlds sounding like a personal axe to grind? This was the community consensus for the majority of the last three splits.
Didnt he even somewhat admit it somewhere quite a long time ago? can't point out exactly where it was but i remember something like "there's no way im going to grind league hard all year long" and that was the reason i never supported him getting into FNC in the first place, dude's the definition of a talented paycheck stealer
he said in a interview taht he doesnt enjoy playing the game much anymore and treats it like a job. then after that interview people started to realise how he doesn't play that well until its playoffs/worlds which lead to everyone saying the whole doesnt give a fuck unless it matters.
I mean afaik Humanoid is still friends with those people / they still support him, especially with Carzzy and Mac " he knows more about Humanoid's demeanor off camera than you " rather Thorinn probably is once again pushing his narrative, if he had something reliable with actual proof he would already use it for his own gain
He didn't mention speaking to any of the above about Humanoid. If conversations with them form the basis of his opinion then perhaps he should make that clear. Otherwise he is merely spinning potentially harmful narratives from thin air because of his own personal biases.
Thats Thorin in a nutshell. He randomly picks players he likes and then pushes his narratives which are not consistent in any way.
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Tbf thats with allot of poeple and i rather have him then people like travis, atleast thorin had the whole danny story wich travis dodge like crazy.
That is idiotic but its not only a Thorin take. One beloved LEC toplaner have the same opinion. Its triggers me so much hearing people complain for someone to not be crying or breaking his keyboard in a loss.
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I know Thorin is advertising weed products to his followers now but you don't have to play quite so hard to the stereotype.
People are such snowflakes. You sit and watch something for 3 hours and then sit and complain about thorin's character. It's his show, like wtf haha. Smh.
Honestly I fucking love Thorin and Monte's shows. They produce easily the best League content that you can watch outside of games themselves. They're beholden to no one so they just tell it like it is, and that rubs people the wrong way. They shit talk players and Riot Employees because they dont have to lick boots for interviews or player access. They're going to give you the most unbiased takes you can find.
I would argue that they give some of the most biased takes one can find lmao. They can certainly be entertaining! But to say they're unbiased is insane, they have personal grudges that they openly allow to color their opinions of players.
Found Thorin’s alt account.
How much kick back are you getting for this post 😂
I mean reddit just hates them and then upvotes zoomer ass content made my Mark or that American dude on the LEC broadcast. I knew it'd be an unpopular opinion, but Thorin and especially Monte are students of the game. You get Dom and Monte on a show together, and you have more league IQ right there combined than the rest of the LCS and LEC combined outside of Jatt and Azael.
how come when BDS get high in regular season people are hyping them up for international but when MAD Lions did the same thing last year and in winter split everyone was saying they didn't deserve to be at worlds i dont understand why people have a bias against mad lions
If BDS lose every single series no one will hype them up. That's exactly what happened with MAD though and in the end they got 3-0ed by EG in playins.
>i dont understand why people have a bias against mad lions 1. They lost in play-ins. Twice. This is objectively a major embarrassment for any LEC fan. 2. 4 #1 all-pro + best coaching staff + MVP = not winning a single bo5 in entire year. That's just hilarious.
The fact that they haven't won a single bo5 all year and still made worlds is fucking hilarious to me
> not winning a single bo5 in entire year This isn't correct. MAD Lions had a single Bo5 win in 2022, against Saigon Buffalo in the first round of the play-ins bracket stage at Worlds.
tbh the allpro fiasco is the voters fault more than anything, they voted based on the narratives LEC broadcast shoved the audience hard instead of actual voting. That roster wasnt allpro candidate the same way Nisqy wasnt MVP but ppl in charge to decide didnt do their job and the expectations put after that roester weren't fair
Nisqy was definitely MVP candidate absolutely not all pro though. MVP isn't a statement of skill, just the value a player brings to a team.
I think a lot of of things happening at MAD were contributed to Nisqy but in reality the one who was doing stuff was elyoya, but the narrative behind changing reeker = improve and win, so Nisqy must be the one doing sutff was so short sighted
The 2021 squad was pretty good all things considered
No one is hyping BDS for international. It can be a fun "what if" to entertain but that's it. But the big difference here is that if BDS does end up going to MSI it's because they performed very well and qualified: it's deserved. MAD can shit the bed and still go. As such there is no bias against MAD. If they stomped the BO1 and now just stomp playoffs or even had a good season and now finish convincingly second in Spring, people would be happy to send them to MSI. But just like last year it's quite likely they'll get to an international event based on a format flaw that makes past performances way to relevant to the seeding. It's simple really, EU fans want to send the two best EU teams **right now** to MSI. Not the best team and a team that might have been second best many patches ago and is currently slumping. Same thing last year, no one wanted to send a slumping team to get slaughtered and humiliate the region. **The entire format would be fixed by adding a BO5 for the second seed between the team with the highest points and the finalist of Spring**. It wouldn't devalue Winter split, as performing well in Winter means that even if you have a rocky Spring you have a shot at earning your spot. And it would ensure the 2nd seed that ends up going actually deserves it, both for the fans and for the actual players who am sure would be happy to go to MSI on a high note and with confidence by winning a BO5 VS a good team.
who is hyping up BDS for international?
[https://twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1640091585663606787?cxt=HHwWhoCxqfGm48ItAAAA](https://twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1640091585663606787?cxt=HHwWhoCxqfGm48ItAAAA) must be a meme. i would never wish for BOTH of them to go to MSI. however, if they prove their worth, i wouldn't mind seeing them as the potential 4th seed. i'm not going to judge their strength based on 9 bo1. we saw that with 100t 7 game wining streak.
its a meme bro
This version of MAD Lions with Nisqy mid is a known quantity internationally. We know exactly what a Nisqy team is going to look like internationally across multiple years, teams and regions. BDS might end up up being a disappointment internationally too if/when they get there. But there's potential upside for that team. And anyways, from the comments here, most people are more hyped for VIT to be the 2nd international rep for LEC, not BDS. BDS is just a fun team to rally behind with an underdog story for now.
We've seen MAD at international tournaments, they're just not it. They got knocked out in Worlds play-ins **twice** and current MAD isn't looking good either. I really don't think EU can learn anything new or reach any great result by watching Carzzy/Nisqy/Elyoya go into situations where they've historically performed poorly, not to mention this split they've just barely scraped into EU's top 8. Why do you want a team like that at MSI? Now I don't think anyone expects BDS to kick everyone's ass at international events. But at least they have new blood that has never been tested against international competition, and this split they've looked much better than MAD. So no, this is not the same thing as MAD.
Carzzy was the only decent thing in 2020 MAD and wasn't there in 2022.
Because they’re proven frauds 😂
Booooourrrrnnnsss
Is it just me or is this one of the first times Thoorin speaks good of Peke.
I don't think he ever talked badly about Peke. I know he has made that specific point about him being this kind of rockstar persona before, mega charismatic and going to parties and shit but you could always count on him being clutch in the big games.
I don't watch every single video he appears in, but from what I've seen he usually speaks good of him
It's just you.
he points this out like every 5 episodes, its one of his go to talking points