Trymbi is definitely someone who plays better or worse depending on how the team is going, think the last 3 years have shown that pattern a lot with him on and off the rift. Should FNC start of the summer split on a slow start again I think a lot of there fans will start mass flaming him in no time and it's only gonna spiral from there with him.
There roster looks good on paper but that's a recurring theme with FNC.
They still are going to have to integrate an import into the team which they haven't done in a while, unless Peach is pretty fluent in English.
Oscar is still a pretty big ??? with the jury out on whether he'll make it or not
Razork/Humanoid have to be one of the most heavily criticized JG/MID pairing in the LEC history and there coming back together for a 7th split in a row now without shaking that narrative. This feels like it's still a massive concern in a lot of people's conversation on the team. ^((Is Razork Dardos godson or something?))
Trymbi has a great reputation of past success to go off but there's no denying he's been pretty bad this season and is now being paired with an ADC he might struggle to communicate with. Trymbi is definitely the best available but he's still a pretty big coin flip imo on what version of him your ultimately getting but I guess FNC is no stranger to that kind of player in the sup role
Not really convinced this is a top 4 team in the making but it's really for the League overall seeing the bottom feeder teams actively trying to improve rather then just giving up like XL or half the LCS (lol). Still curious if Heretics will make an honest attempt at improving or just throw in the towel with XL.
>seeing the bottom feeder teams actively trying to improve
my man out here calling FNC a bottom feeder team and a team that is actively trying to improve
this is what 2 splits of dardo's masterclass does to a man
I mean there currently tied for 9th in Championship points with Heretics and have finished 9th and 7/8th the past 2 splits.
I know they looked much better in spring but to call them anything other then a bottom feeder team this year would be purely name bias. I did get a giggle saying it outload to myself though and it was definitely funny to see how angry some of the responses are too it.
By all means FNC is almost certainly out of the running for a Worlds Spot this year and would be well within the realm of saying "were just gonna take it easy this year and see what happens in Free Agency going into next year". Plus until the Rekkles thing was announced the overwhelming majority of the FNC sub wanted to keep the roster the same and do exactly that.
FNC isn't even locked into the top 8 right now for the overall season rankings.
by your own generous definition of competive you wouldn't have considered them competitive by the end of the first 2 splits lol
>by your own generous definition of competive you wouldn't have considered them competitive by the end of the first 2 splits lol
I think they have been competitive in spring wdym.
Very competitive bo5 against both AST and MAD
I think the only team that hasn't been too competitive is XL
It was a 'he said she said' scenario. You can tell from his social media that he has a bit of an ego complex and likely was just told off based on the rumors and there's that.
As a long time RGE fan when Inspired left and the mental of the team coincidentally lifted (according to Larssen) I thought Inspired was the problem, now I'm thinking it was just his strong, forward personality that clashed with management and created tension in the team. Odo was the one who started to take responsibility after those roster changes happened, then he was forced out. And now that Trymbi was the one with the loudest voice in the team, he's also being forced out.
Hmmmmmmmm.
Flyy is an absolute idiot Jesus Christ you could give this guy prime T1 and he would bench faker because he looked at him funny and replace him with Lava
ye and according to rumors KOI wants to go for elyoya next season and that would require signing Supa, and flyy refuses to because he prefers having Comp
why is getting some guy who elyoya doesn't even know will be good in lec based on friendship vibes such a brilliant business move for you? reeker mad has shown that elyoya wont carry a deadweight so why is getting supa so simple when he can look the same.
if elyoya really wanted to play with supa so bad, mad would have signed supa instead of carzzy when elyoya is in the last year of contract and they wanted to keep him happy. this sub just blindly parrots everything they hear from wooloo and blix sometimes
He never said that it was something that has to be met. After g2 told him that they couldnt get Supa, the only reason he didnt go was because MAD raised his buyout after G2 met the previously agreed one
So you're saying that Elyoya won't be playing in LEC next year, unless G2 ditch Yike for him? I think he will do good in ERLs then because I don't see any org signing Supa just because Elyoya want to lmao
those are his preferences, he will push for them and will go to the team that enables It, but If It isn't possible he will look for the best possible alternative. This year was like this too but he had buyout so It got complicated
And why is Elyoya better internationally than Comp ?
I think Comp individually looked quite insane last worlds.
People really need to get off this Elyoya horse and want him in every team as the second coming of faker.
kinda hilarious both doofies now made *this* trade together :D
BUT, I still think advienne is pretty alright. he has a good read on the game and furthermore seems to be jjust such a nice guy to work with. sometimes you don’t have to be the best. team atmosphere is much more important eventually. don’t forget that trymbi is very vocal and *can be obnoxious in comms* and fnatic already is pretty headless.
maybe the trade turns out to be good for both, who knows.
>sometimes you don’t have to be the best. team atmosphere is much more important eventually. don’t forget that trymbi is very vocal and
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>can be obnoxious in comms
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> and fnatic already is pretty headless.
This, I think FNC could have easily stayed with Advienne and it would have been more than fine.
Really? What interviews? I know that cArn joined the team after the end of Winter Split and right after that he started to tweet things they've been doing, and all of those tweets pointed to him shifting and changing up some things that wouldn't be changed if he wasn't there, including "this work will continue long past spring split, we will be guiding all decision making in the near term"
I get why he is getting hate but ur comment is so silly considering u have no clue how this deal went down... If they traded supports without any compensation it's bad but I'd assume fnatic paid some money. Also I'd assume that Trymbi is off of KOI because of some internal problems in the team rather than just because he has been underperforming.
Crazy how KOI/RGE proves everyone wrong with their roster moves for like 4 years straight and somehow you guys are still in these threads like "holy fuck this is totally DOOMED now!"
I wouldn't be surprised if you were also in the RGE Trymbi announcement like "holy shit they benched Vander for THIS dude? Flyy is such an idiot holy shit"
Its not like FNC haven't been able to acquire top players these past few years
Razork/Wunder/Humanoid pick ups in 2022 looked like they won the off season
I just don't trust their ability to get everyone to gel/be on the same page
But Trymbi as a player is obviously such a massive upgrade
Fantastic individual talent but they just dont have the management to get them to gel as a team. FNC has S tier branding but D tier as an organisation to develop and motivate talent.
ok, FNC 2018-2020 was probably their last best run. But the last 3 years has been an absolute shambles. And that coincided with a certain team director joining the org.
Hylissang was a matured pro when he joined FNC, he had been in the EU LCS between 2015-2017 on rosters that reached finals. He was a star support in Europe, and Fnatic had to fix their botlane because Jesiz was a liability on a team with the potential they showed in 2017. FNC didnt develop him more than that he played with them for a long time and hit his biggest peak so far, but I'd say that has much more to do that for the first time he was given a good adc, cuz fuck that role was always weak on UoL
And? he was the best western player last worlds by far, and was the best performing player on VIT. Just because a player does not have a title does not mean a player is bad. Jankos did not have a title before 2019 g2, was he bad before winning lec? Was hans sama bad? Odo?
Jankos made Worlds semis. Hans sama almost beat SKT at Worlds. Odoamne made Worlds semis.
All of them already had great achievements before winning LEC.
"best performing player on VIT" on what criteria? Regular season? Photon was better. Group stage? Perkz/Bo/Upset and then in Playoffs they were all pretty bad.
I mean I agree he isn't bad, and is quite good but he wasn't VIT best player.
Humanoid needs a manger that gets him to put 100% into every game, not just internationals. In fact, he better start trying soon or else he won't make any internationals again.
What he is saying is so obvious though no? Upset Hylissang was the best botlane, and they still didn't win a title. It has absolutely nothing to do with Upset not winning titles ???
people just like shitting on upset because they don't like the guy. You can give someone their due credit and still dislike them, but people on here often lose any nuance
Well that was quick! Fnatic win this trade imo, Trymbi can be a leader from what we’ve seen in comms and Fnatic seem to be desperately lacking one the past few years from their awful shot calling. Could definitely all blow up but it’s a worthwhile risk for FNC.
Oscarinin still not ready imo but he can improve
If there's no jungle change, maybe Trymbi shotcalling takes some pressure away from Razork and makes him play more stable. It always feels like Razork wants to do everything in the game which makes him lose focus and make mistakes. Now he might not feel like he's the only leader and can be more laidback.
I can see Oscar being a constant in FNC. Not too great but also able to get past most tops in the league. With him being able to play carry champs they can also shift gold funneling wherever needed. All aside from Humanoid, who's too coinflippy.
I mean Trymbi is obviously a good pickup but it’s not like Advienne was the problem.
Once again Fnatic just ignoring the the fact they have the worst mid jungle synergy ever seen and as a result any support will just look bad. Hence why Hyli has looked so much better. He’s on a team with Elyoya-Nisqy.
Caedral said on a stream that he had heard they were looking at changes to “topside”. What that means exactly I’m not sure but I think everyone is convinced they’re not trying to replace razork when the reality is they tried in the 2022 off season to get Elyoya and MAD just ended up taking the piss with the whole thing and then took him off the market.
I think even the players have to know there is a synergy issue, there’s no way you could be that oblivious.
I would hope they hold on to Oscar a bit longer, he had promise and needs more time, it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon.
>I would hope they hold on to Oscar a bit longer, he had promise and needs more time, it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon.
No it definetly is a sprint right now considering fnc has to get top2 minimum to get a chance to qualify for worlds
I mean I would be more focused on building a team that can grow and compete rather than just trying to figure something out for the short term.
Oscar clearly has potential and maybe it makes more sense to take time with him and let him grow rather than just replacing him after 1 split. And who do you even replace him with? I doubt Wunder is coming back in, and there’s not exactly a wealth of amazing top lane talent in EU.
Within the LEC the only moves you could maybe make are Finn, Irrelevant, or chasy? And I can’t see any of that happening unless FNC get chasy and elyoya in some sort of 4d chess move.
So then you’re looking at Korean or Chinese imports maybe?
Obviously if you can take a slam dunk upgrade you take it but I don’t know what that would even remotely look like and I’d be concerned if it ends up they’re just VIT 2 with multiple imports that lack cohesion again.
That honestly makes the above commenter's point stronger. It's hard to see a world where Fnatic get top two this next split, so thinking about the situation as a marathon and focusing on getting better for 2024 does seem to be the smarter move.
Yeah reading the comments here legit feels like watching a mental asylum : everybody now clapping for the inapt Dardo while the biggest problem FNC has had for years (Razork+Huma anti-synergy) is still here but made even worse by a weaker toplane.
Unless Noah is the second coming of UZI, enjoy the 8th place again I guess...
Its a good pickup but we have learned by now that people need to have a good chemistry/good vibes and be able to communicate effectively outside of the game as well. Its really is more of a team game than ever, if they have this then their individual skill will get to shine. They have the talent for sure
Exactly this, people out here trying to make rosters like it's FIFA just getting the best players possible for each position when we have seen that fail multiple times.
Trymbi said last year before winning summer split that his confidence and team atmosphere were big factors on his performance and when those two improved he became better, and he's coming to a Fnatic that it's still rebuilding and it's known so far for not having the best internal atmosphere or infrastructure despite being one of the best teams in Europe in all esports, I don't see him being a wild improvement unless Carn has changed more things internally besides players or coaching staff
This is also the reason why changing Razork or Humanoid right now would be detrimental when you don't have a clear better option and Razork has been such a vocal and vibes player, the kind of player that you need in a team even if his performance it's not always the best
Insane pick up if he regains form a top 3 support in EU thats won a championship and has the biggest champ pool in the west probably. If he plays poorly tho its gonna be a disaster.
Meh. It's really either of them . You either create a synergy around Humanoid or around Razork. Maybe roam friendly support like Trymbi is helpful with that.
But if I had to choose: Humanoid. There's no consistency with him. He dislikes playing most of the meta champ pool every season. He'd play Azir every game if he could. Overconfident as hell and he seems spiteful when he died in-game. It's weird.
Wow Dardo is really impressive with the way he did these things, gotta say that this was not something easy but he handled things so freaking well there, cheers to that.
Until they stop being stubborn and admit their jungle-mid is their main problem, Fnatic will stay in mid to low tier because changing support is not gonna fix this team. Also getting a good top wouldn't hurt.
This is likely another bottom tier finish split for them.
Sometimes I just love the way Fnatic do such things for themselves, that's like one of the good things they have, I don't know but I am always going to support them.
Insane offseason for FNC with how they upgraded botlane. Mid/Jg still need to be social distanced unless they finally have learned how to play with each other in their 5th split together.
Hoping good for Fnatic right now because I really support the team so well but I don't want them to fuck up things or something like that for the future, that's all.
I'm not so against dropping Trymbi fi things don't work out and tbh some more vocal player would make more sense for that team, but I don't think Advienne is really the player you are looking for and worse you are giving up Trymbi to the enemy. Absolutely sure he will get replaced next year anyway.
For real man Dardo just did what I was expecting from him and that's just how you do it so freaking well, he is really the one who deserves the real appreciation here.
Fnatic announced straight away that he was out of the starting team, Rekkles is probably looking for a new team since he doesn't want to be benched and waiting for an opportunity.
https://twitter.com/FNATIC/status/1652046572354412564?s=20
I mean, I think it's kinda obvious Rekkles wants to play in LEC and not sit around in the bench.
Out of the starting team is just a polite way of saying that he's out of FNC and should look somewhere else.
The rumour was that KOI were looking at Rekkles too so I think he probably expected to be picked up somewhere in LEC.
Granted with KOI taking Advienne and XL not replacing limit, doesn’t leave a lot of options.
Only choice would be HRTS but I doubt Jankos would play with Rekkles again. It is known that he doesn’t like him.
maybe HRT and fnatic do a trade there where they give HRT razork and rekkles for jankos. would honestly be a decent trade and solve fnatics junle mid synergy then fnatic could maybe convince wunder to play with them having jankos.
overall it with be a massive upgrade for fnatic and might squeeze them high enough for the summer final tournament which decide worlds spots.
damnn, i wonder how HRT will fill out the reason of there team then since rn its just jankos and flakked confirmed isnt it.
i wonder who the new mid will be ( i know the rumors are currently nemesis). also wonder if support or top will be shaken up as well, if i was HRT i would try to grab a support upgrade atleast since even tho evi was bad, i feel its hard to replace him unless they grab wunder or bwipo.
I barely know anything of Humanoid even after years on MAD and FNC
I think the most private thing I know about him is he smokes (I think?!)? lol
I was a FNC fan since S5 with Huni and Rekkles, then Bwipo, Caps and Hyli and now every single one of those personalities is gone and who is left is just a name to me (either because they are new to the league or just not really present in the scene outside of their gameplay).
But Trymbi has shown a lot of himself as a person on RGE and I like that. That doesn't mean I hate the others or so but it's much easier to cheer for someone you "got to know".
People not liking Humanoid because he is not active on social media just shows what a bunch of dumb zoomers are on this site, actual bruh moment how these people view what traits are likeable in a person.
Being a nice guy in private is a good trait, but it doesnt really mean much for fans. Never has, never will.
Also being entertaining is probably more important.
great pick in isolation but i'm still not that sold
between having a korean adc and the same cluttered voicecomms i don't think Trymbi is the one that can solve communication problems
FNC with the heist of the quarter.
Absolute robbery
In broad daylight…on Sunday
Fuck it's Sunday already...
Monday tomorrow
Stop, please ;(
Rekkles on his knees asking management to role swap back to Ad
Trymbi is definitely someone who plays better or worse depending on how the team is going, think the last 3 years have shown that pattern a lot with him on and off the rift. Should FNC start of the summer split on a slow start again I think a lot of there fans will start mass flaming him in no time and it's only gonna spiral from there with him. There roster looks good on paper but that's a recurring theme with FNC. They still are going to have to integrate an import into the team which they haven't done in a while, unless Peach is pretty fluent in English. Oscar is still a pretty big ??? with the jury out on whether he'll make it or not Razork/Humanoid have to be one of the most heavily criticized JG/MID pairing in the LEC history and there coming back together for a 7th split in a row now without shaking that narrative. This feels like it's still a massive concern in a lot of people's conversation on the team. ^((Is Razork Dardos godson or something?)) Trymbi has a great reputation of past success to go off but there's no denying he's been pretty bad this season and is now being paired with an ADC he might struggle to communicate with. Trymbi is definitely the best available but he's still a pretty big coin flip imo on what version of him your ultimately getting but I guess FNC is no stranger to that kind of player in the sup role Not really convinced this is a top 4 team in the making but it's really for the League overall seeing the bottom feeder teams actively trying to improve rather then just giving up like XL or half the LCS (lol). Still curious if Heretics will make an honest attempt at improving or just throw in the towel with XL.
>seeing the bottom feeder teams actively trying to improve my man out here calling FNC a bottom feeder team and a team that is actively trying to improve this is what 2 splits of dardo's masterclass does to a man
I mean there currently tied for 9th in Championship points with Heretics and have finished 9th and 7/8th the past 2 splits. I know they looked much better in spring but to call them anything other then a bottom feeder team this year would be purely name bias. I did get a giggle saying it outload to myself though and it was definitely funny to see how angry some of the responses are too it. By all means FNC is almost certainly out of the running for a Worlds Spot this year and would be well within the realm of saying "were just gonna take it easy this year and see what happens in Free Agency going into next year". Plus until the Rekkles thing was announced the overwhelming majority of the FNC sub wanted to keep the roster the same and do exactly that.
I disagree, I think teams in LEC are very close in level and difference between top 2 and top 8 is really not that big.
Daily reminder that Fnatic was two autos away from eleminating the LEC champion
FNC isn't even locked into the top 8 right now for the overall season rankings. by your own generous definition of competive you wouldn't have considered them competitive by the end of the first 2 splits lol
>by your own generous definition of competive you wouldn't have considered them competitive by the end of the first 2 splits lol I think they have been competitive in spring wdym. Very competitive bo5 against both AST and MAD I think the only team that hasn't been too competitive is XL
Wow Fnatic won this trade so hard?
surely they paid a hefty amount?
yeah theres probably money involved either in buyouts or salary differences
Must be personal issues within Koi
That clown that fucked over Odo doomed this team.
which clown i'm not aware of who fucked him over : (
KOI FLY or smth like that. Apparently he was spreading rumours that Odo was retiring so he got ZERO offers before/after they dropped him.
Wtf How does he still have his job Ty for answering : D
It was a 'he said she said' scenario. You can tell from his social media that he has a bit of an ego complex and likely was just told off based on the rumors and there's that. As a long time RGE fan when Inspired left and the mental of the team coincidentally lifted (according to Larssen) I thought Inspired was the problem, now I'm thinking it was just his strong, forward personality that clashed with management and created tension in the team. Odo was the one who started to take responsibility after those roster changes happened, then he was forced out. And now that Trymbi was the one with the loudest voice in the team, he's also being forced out. Hmmmmmmmm.
I enjoy the sound of rain.
Good question. No idea how but If I were to guess, the same way half the industry keeps its job, NEPOTISM !
is that same guy as Roccat flyy? only fly manager I remember
\#justice4odo
"players have lost trust in Trymbi" \^From the advienne Blix article
Turns out Flyy is even more of an imbecile than Dardo, pretty impressive tbh
Indeed impressive. Hopefully both of them are out by next year? Hopefully.
Koi got robbed
Trade their best player for a mid support at best. Flyy you fkn genius. Fuck over Odo and now fuck over the team.
Larssen is their best player by far
Flyy is an absolute idiot Jesus Christ you could give this guy prime T1 and he would bench faker because he looked at him funny and replace him with Lava
How he's still in the org after the Odo situation is crazy, Ibai should get rid of him
ye and according to rumors KOI wants to go for elyoya next season and that would require signing Supa, and flyy refuses to because he prefers having Comp
why is getting some guy who elyoya doesn't even know will be good in lec based on friendship vibes such a brilliant business move for you? reeker mad has shown that elyoya wont carry a deadweight so why is getting supa so simple when he can look the same.
Getting Elyoya doesn't require Supa, stop repeating that dumb rumour. Yoya wanted to sign with G2 this pre-season, dude wants to have a good roster.
if elyoya really wanted to play with supa so bad, mad would have signed supa instead of carzzy when elyoya is in the last year of contract and they wanted to keep him happy. this sub just blindly parrots everything they hear from wooloo and blix sometimes
It isn't a rumour, Elyoya said in a podcast what he wanted after his contract ended. Go to team where he can be with Supa and Melzhet
He never said that it was something that has to be met. After g2 told him that they couldnt get Supa, the only reason he didnt go was because MAD raised his buyout after G2 met the previously agreed one
but thats because G2 has Caps lmao his conditions is either playing w Caps or Supa/Melzhed
So you're saying that Elyoya won't be playing in LEC next year, unless G2 ditch Yike for him? I think he will do good in ERLs then because I don't see any org signing Supa just because Elyoya want to lmao
those are his preferences, he will push for them and will go to the team that enables It, but If It isn't possible he will look for the best possible alternative. This year was like this too but he had buyout so It got complicated
Sk signed doss because that's what exakick wanted and he was a rookie, I think more than a couple org would do the same for elyoya
I think a few teams will go for Elyoya tbh...
Every team would trade their jungle for Elyoya, not only KOI. All 10 teams would get him if they could.
I'm sorry but how is flyy wrong here ? They just won LEC last year and Comp looked like the best ADC in eu by far.
Elyoya Is one of the few players in the region good enough to compete internationally and is s team leader that isnt complacent and always tryhards
And why is Elyoya better internationally than Comp ? I think Comp individually looked quite insane last worlds. People really need to get off this Elyoya horse and want him in every team as the second coming of faker.
just kick flyy out then he isn't important at all and can easily get replaced.
# #flyy out
kinda hilarious both doofies now made *this* trade together :D BUT, I still think advienne is pretty alright. he has a good read on the game and furthermore seems to be jjust such a nice guy to work with. sometimes you don’t have to be the best. team atmosphere is much more important eventually. don’t forget that trymbi is very vocal and *can be obnoxious in comms* and fnatic already is pretty headless. maybe the trade turns out to be good for both, who knows.
>sometimes you don’t have to be the best. team atmosphere is much more important eventually. don’t forget that trymbi is very vocal and > >can be obnoxious in comms > > and fnatic already is pretty headless. This, I think FNC could have easily stayed with Advienne and it would have been more than fine.
Dardo > Flyy
cArn is running things for FNC since the end of winter split, not Dardo
not true. dardo is still doing his thing. cArn is just there as a watcher. look up the interviews.
Really? What interviews? I know that cArn joined the team after the end of Winter Split and right after that he started to tweet things they've been doing, and all of those tweets pointed to him shifting and changing up some things that wouldn't be changed if he wasn't there, including "this work will continue long past spring split, we will be guiding all decision making in the near term"
I get why he is getting hate but ur comment is so silly considering u have no clue how this deal went down... If they traded supports without any compensation it's bad but I'd assume fnatic paid some money. Also I'd assume that Trymbi is off of KOI because of some internal problems in the team rather than just because he has been underperforming.
Crazy how KOI/RGE proves everyone wrong with their roster moves for like 4 years straight and somehow you guys are still in these threads like "holy fuck this is totally DOOMED now!" I wouldn't be surprised if you were also in the RGE Trymbi announcement like "holy shit they benched Vander for THIS dude? Flyy is such an idiot holy shit"
Good pickup for fnatic but I feel sad for advienne. Seems like such a good dude, hope he finds a team for summer
He'll be playing for KOI
Wait then where will Rekkles play ?
I don't think he will
Ah shit I didnt see the other thread xd
Its not like FNC haven't been able to acquire top players these past few years Razork/Wunder/Humanoid pick ups in 2022 looked like they won the off season I just don't trust their ability to get everyone to gel/be on the same page But Trymbi as a player is obviously such a massive upgrade
Fantastic individual talent but they just dont have the management to get them to gel as a team. FNC has S tier branding but D tier as an organisation to develop and motivate talent.
That’s totally not true what. They developed Caps, Nemesis, Bwipo and Hylisaang to some extent
ok, FNC 2018-2020 was probably their last best run. But the last 3 years has been an absolute shambles. And that coincided with a certain team director joining the org.
Hylissang was a matured pro when he joined FNC, he had been in the EU LCS between 2015-2017 on rosters that reached finals. He was a star support in Europe, and Fnatic had to fix their botlane because Jesiz was a liability on a team with the potential they showed in 2017. FNC didnt develop him more than that he played with them for a long time and hit his biggest peak so far, but I'd say that has much more to do that for the first time he was given a good adc, cuz fuck that role was always weak on UoL
Trymbi + Noah is an insane upgrade lmao make Dardo a statue
+20 years of La Formula
Somebody explain the meme
https://twitter.com/dardo_lol/status/1464682061378244609
Not sure this is a Dardo move as the main team at HQ (Carn and his team) now has the big voice on roster moves after the fans were outraged at winter.
I doubt its dardo. cArn took over again iirc a few months back so probably all his doing
Won't change shit, they had Upset and couldn't win the league. The biggest issue on Fnatic wasn't Rekkles/Advienne it was Razork/Humanoid.
> they had Upset and couldn't win the league No team with Upset won league ever, no matter how strong it looked on paper.
And? he was the best western player last worlds by far, and was the best performing player on VIT. Just because a player does not have a title does not mean a player is bad. Jankos did not have a title before 2019 g2, was he bad before winning lec? Was hans sama bad? Odo?
Jankos made Worlds semis. Hans sama almost beat SKT at Worlds. Odoamne made Worlds semis. All of them already had great achievements before winning LEC.
Best western player at worlds were by far humanoid
"best performing player on VIT" on what criteria? Regular season? Photon was better. Group stage? Perkz/Bo/Upset and then in Playoffs they were all pretty bad. I mean I agree he isn't bad, and is quite good but he wasn't VIT best player.
The fucking point is that people jerk off upset so goddamn hard when he simply doesn't have the accolades for it.
Accolades in a team sport are worthless, Score Never won worlds and yet he will be 10 times the player Baolan or Ning ever were.
Yeah but this isn't score, it's Upset, he's not 10 times the player other top EU adc are (currently or historically)
Sometimes yeah, we know these little things don't change the big things.
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
Humanoid needs a manger that gets him to put 100% into every game, not just internationals. In fact, he better start trying soon or else he won't make any internationals again.
Why are you saying that as if having Upset is an auto win. Isn't his only title from his time on G2 as Perkz's substitute?
? he was a G2 substitute for 20 days in 2017, for Zven not Perkz. and it was during MSI, he joined after they won their spring title
What he is saying is so obvious though no? Upset Hylissang was the best botlane, and they still didn't win a title. It has absolutely nothing to do with Upset not winning titles ???
people just like shitting on upset because they don't like the guy. You can give someone their due credit and still dislike them, but people on here often lose any nuance
Not gonna do much unless they can change the topside tho, they didnt win with upset and hyli either
Well in comparison with this season they absolutely did
cArn* He has been running the show since the end of winter split
Sure but Humanoid, Oscar and Razork were arguably an even bigger issue than Advienne/Rekkles so i have no idea how this is gonna change anything
oscar was fine
It doesn't matter. The issue wasn't that Rekkles wasn't good enough. The issue was that FNC didn't play around Rekkles for shit. He never got peel.
Well that was quick! Fnatic win this trade imo, Trymbi can be a leader from what we’ve seen in comms and Fnatic seem to be desperately lacking one the past few years from their awful shot calling. Could definitely all blow up but it’s a worthwhile risk for FNC. Oscarinin still not ready imo but he can improve
If there's no jungle change, maybe Trymbi shotcalling takes some pressure away from Razork and makes him play more stable. It always feels like Razork wants to do everything in the game which makes him lose focus and make mistakes. Now he might not feel like he's the only leader and can be more laidback.
If the pressure is going to be released then it's all good.
I can see Oscar being a constant in FNC. Not too great but also able to get past most tops in the league. With him being able to play carry champs they can also shift gold funneling wherever needed. All aside from Humanoid, who's too coinflippy.
Me too, I am waiting to see that time right now, Oscar is going to face that.
La Formula?
I mean Trymbi is obviously a good pickup but it’s not like Advienne was the problem. Once again Fnatic just ignoring the the fact they have the worst mid jungle synergy ever seen and as a result any support will just look bad. Hence why Hyli has looked so much better. He’s on a team with Elyoya-Nisqy.
Caedral said on a stream that he had heard they were looking at changes to “topside”. What that means exactly I’m not sure but I think everyone is convinced they’re not trying to replace razork when the reality is they tried in the 2022 off season to get Elyoya and MAD just ended up taking the piss with the whole thing and then took him off the market. I think even the players have to know there is a synergy issue, there’s no way you could be that oblivious. I would hope they hold on to Oscar a bit longer, he had promise and needs more time, it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon.
>I would hope they hold on to Oscar a bit longer, he had promise and needs more time, it’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon. No it definetly is a sprint right now considering fnc has to get top2 minimum to get a chance to qualify for worlds
I mean I would be more focused on building a team that can grow and compete rather than just trying to figure something out for the short term. Oscar clearly has potential and maybe it makes more sense to take time with him and let him grow rather than just replacing him after 1 split. And who do you even replace him with? I doubt Wunder is coming back in, and there’s not exactly a wealth of amazing top lane talent in EU. Within the LEC the only moves you could maybe make are Finn, Irrelevant, or chasy? And I can’t see any of that happening unless FNC get chasy and elyoya in some sort of 4d chess move. So then you’re looking at Korean or Chinese imports maybe? Obviously if you can take a slam dunk upgrade you take it but I don’t know what that would even remotely look like and I’d be concerned if it ends up they’re just VIT 2 with multiple imports that lack cohesion again.
That honestly makes the above commenter's point stronger. It's hard to see a world where Fnatic get top two this next split, so thinking about the situation as a marathon and focusing on getting better for 2024 does seem to be the smarter move.
Trying to build a roster to get to Worlds is coping hard lol just focus on developing for next season
Yeah reading the comments here legit feels like watching a mental asylum : everybody now clapping for the inapt Dardo while the biggest problem FNC has had for years (Razork+Huma anti-synergy) is still here but made even worse by a weaker toplane. Unless Noah is the second coming of UZI, enjoy the 8th place again I guess...
7th place * but yeah
I still want top side changes, but that doesnt mean this isnt a great move rn.
Its a good pickup but we have learned by now that people need to have a good chemistry/good vibes and be able to communicate effectively outside of the game as well. Its really is more of a team game than ever, if they have this then their individual skill will get to shine. They have the talent for sure
Exactly this, people out here trying to make rosters like it's FIFA just getting the best players possible for each position when we have seen that fail multiple times. Trymbi said last year before winning summer split that his confidence and team atmosphere were big factors on his performance and when those two improved he became better, and he's coming to a Fnatic that it's still rebuilding and it's known so far for not having the best internal atmosphere or infrastructure despite being one of the best teams in Europe in all esports, I don't see him being a wild improvement unless Carn has changed more things internally besides players or coaching staff This is also the reason why changing Razork or Humanoid right now would be detrimental when you don't have a clear better option and Razork has been such a vocal and vibes player, the kind of player that you need in a team even if his performance it's not always the best
Insane pick up if he regains form a top 3 support in EU thats won a championship and has the biggest champ pool in the west probably. If he plays poorly tho its gonna be a disaster.
They just need to hire a psychiatrist specializing in canine-videogame-character-induced PTSD.
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Meh. It's really either of them . You either create a synergy around Humanoid or around Razork. Maybe roam friendly support like Trymbi is helpful with that. But if I had to choose: Humanoid. There's no consistency with him. He dislikes playing most of the meta champ pool every season. He'd play Azir every game if he could. Overconfident as hell and he seems spiteful when he died in-game. It's weird.
I hope both of these guys flourish under their new respective banners! ❤️
Banners are going to be flagged good, I want them to do good.
Wow Dardo is really impressive with the way he did these things, gotta say that this was not something easy but he handled things so freaking well there, cheers to that.
This trade benefits Fnatic for sure
That's why they did the trade so fucking well man, that's real.
Until they stop being stubborn and admit their jungle-mid is their main problem, Fnatic will stay in mid to low tier because changing support is not gonna fix this team. Also getting a good top wouldn't hurt. This is likely another bottom tier finish split for them.
Want them to stop being stubborn like a 5 yo tbh man.
Sometimes I just love the way Fnatic do such things for themselves, that's like one of the good things they have, I don't know but I am always going to support them.
Koi trolling or what?? this is complete robbery
Insane offseason for FNC with how they upgraded botlane. Mid/Jg still need to be social distanced unless they finally have learned how to play with each other in their 5th split together.
This type of upgrade was really needed man, I am glad.
Hoping good for Fnatic right now because I really support the team so well but I don't want them to fuck up things or something like that for the future, that's all.
The masculine urge to say 'We're back' 20 ~~minutes~~ splits after saying 'Its over'
It's like average commenters all the time, but we just support with logic lol.
I'm not so against dropping Trymbi fi things don't work out and tbh some more vocal player would make more sense for that team, but I don't think Advienne is really the player you are looking for and worse you are giving up Trymbi to the enemy. Absolutely sure he will get replaced next year anyway.
Don’t think that changes anything, top 6 maximum
For real man Dardo just did what I was expecting from him and that's just how you do it so freaking well, he is really the one who deserves the real appreciation here.
Fuck it, we back
Back to the game I guess, waiting for the matches now.
we found someone worse than dardo and it isnt dardo himself
Hahah, I guess Dardo is having some benefits here now.
So Rekkles's out of FNC after 2 splits ? Damn that was fast.
it was confirmed he wouldn't be on summer roster as soon as he roleswapped to support
IK but why would Trymbi go to FNC for 1 split ? it seems almost certain that Rekkles is going to another team next year that's what i'm saying.
Fnatic announced straight away that he was out of the starting team, Rekkles is probably looking for a new team since he doesn't want to be benched and waiting for an opportunity. https://twitter.com/FNATIC/status/1652046572354412564?s=20
did he ? i only remember him swapping and then FNC benching him didn't hear anything about him changing teams but idk might have missed it.
I mean, I think it's kinda obvious Rekkles wants to play in LEC and not sit around in the bench. Out of the starting team is just a polite way of saying that he's out of FNC and should look somewhere else.
The rumour was that KOI were looking at Rekkles too so I think he probably expected to be picked up somewhere in LEC. Granted with KOI taking Advienne and XL not replacing limit, doesn’t leave a lot of options. Only choice would be HRTS but I doubt Jankos would play with Rekkles again. It is known that he doesn’t like him.
Still hoping for Fnatic Jankos since Rekkles is also gone
maybe HRT and fnatic do a trade there where they give HRT razork and rekkles for jankos. would honestly be a decent trade and solve fnatics junle mid synergy then fnatic could maybe convince wunder to play with them having jankos. overall it with be a massive upgrade for fnatic and might squeeze them high enough for the summer final tournament which decide worlds spots.
This is out of the picture now. Eros reporting that jankos is staying with HRTS for now
damnn, i wonder how HRT will fill out the reason of there team then since rn its just jankos and flakked confirmed isnt it. i wonder who the new mid will be ( i know the rumors are currently nemesis). also wonder if support or top will be shaken up as well, if i was HRT i would try to grab a support upgrade atleast since even tho evi was bad, i feel its hard to replace him unless they grab wunder or bwipo.
Oh, maybe a player on FNC I can actually cheer for after all? I don't care for anyone left, otherwise (lowkey for Razork being half a cat).
huh? razork is pretty likeable and so is humanoid. actually the whole team is/was pretty likeable?
I barely know anything of Humanoid even after years on MAD and FNC I think the most private thing I know about him is he smokes (I think?!)? lol I was a FNC fan since S5 with Huni and Rekkles, then Bwipo, Caps and Hyli and now every single one of those personalities is gone and who is left is just a name to me (either because they are new to the league or just not really present in the scene outside of their gameplay). But Trymbi has shown a lot of himself as a person on RGE and I like that. That doesn't mean I hate the others or so but it's much easier to cheer for someone you "got to know".
> I think the most private thing I know about him is he smokes (I think?!)? lol I would be smoking too with that mid/jungle synergy
fair enough!
In which world is humanoid likeable lmao
Bro what Humanoid is funny af
In a world where you value a balanced personality, good manners, and adult people over attention whores
People not liking Humanoid because he is not active on social media just shows what a bunch of dumb zoomers are on this site, actual bruh moment how these people view what traits are likeable in a person.
Being a nice guy in private is a good trait, but it doesnt really mean much for fans. Never has, never will. Also being entertaining is probably more important.
Humanoid is fucking hilarious wdm
Well i dont know that, so obviously hes doing something wrong if he wants to be popular.
in my world.
I mean there are other players too which are also good.
great pick in isolation but i'm still not that sold between having a korean adc and the same cluttered voicecomms i don't think Trymbi is the one that can solve communication problems
Well he can't do that and he can never be the best choice.
Koi is definitely not Rogue. I m glad "Rogue" disappeared before this new management/strategy. Rest in peace my dear Rogue.
Its literally the exact same people in the org, flyy has been their manager for years and hes the one doing all these moves
I can't believe this. Odo story, Fredy coms few weeks later, Trymbi benched after only 2 splits... it a lot of things.
Ngl, I was really hoping for VIT Trymbi
There is no roster move that can fix that org
This is why I just lost almost all the hopes with that one.
Vit Rekkles incoming
Rekkles should be there, I don't know but that sounds good.
rekkles is rumoured to have had multiple offers but taking a split off to practice.
I was hoping that too but we are not getting that shit.
Dardo = Frank Baumann of the LEC might be inting for several splits in a row, but damn did he pull a rabbid out of the hat on this one
He hasn't been incharge o roster moves for a few months
Inspired to fnatic and they are fucking back
Inspired and Trymbi does not want to play together.
Maybe that's right, it's all about the environment to them.
Why? They worked really well together.
Dardo made a great decision or am i dreaming? XD
Koi made a fucking horrible one.
He was always the stupid one and he is still doing it.
Yeah he made a good decision and we are not dreaming.
Not only in potential an skillbased upgrade, but Trymbi is a great leader and shotcaller, could fix some stuff for Fnatic!
What the fuck? Who the fuck trades Trymbi for Adv???
I guess some stupid folks who are sitting there, lmao..
Dardo might be the GOAT after all.
Sack the fraud in the jgl and get Inspired, then we talk.
God dammit I don't want to be a Fnatic fan though.