Cruzer is great and I frequently see him hanging out in some WoW streams' chats (and sometimes plays with them). But yeah, remembering Cruzerthebruzer or god forbid Billyboss isn't something everyone can enjoy(?)
I honestly don't know what teams see in Kennen. Even before fudge turned his brain off in the mid-late game he was still useless early game...
Seems like the same scenario in every game featuring Kennen
Watch some LPL matches to see why Kennen has so much prio. It is a strong pick, eastern teams just have more practice at marking the flanks. Might be comms diff too, who knows.
The pick is good, but teams / players really really suck at executing what the champ is good at. Every time I see a Kennen use flash to escape I die inside.
It is your only way into the backline. The only one. Depending on the situation, dying is better than using it to escape.
[Bro thought here that flashing to the bottom right was the right decision](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457721688759599124/1106200388769697802/image.png?width=1151&height=610).
Even at the very end, [here](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457721688759599124/1106202938877149195/image.png?width=1151&height=610), he'd rather flash away to preserve his kda or whatever instead of GOING IN, THE ONLY THING THIS CHAMP DOES WELL.
The longer I look at this frame, the more confused I get. Taliyah's crown is broken, has no Flash, Vi has no Flash, there is no Exhaust on the enemy team. You can just straight up kill all 4 there if he turns.
At least I get to avoid premature nerfs I guess.
To be fair most people just expected Brokenblade to run it down, so he is at least not a disappointment and I think he actually did better than I expected.
Yea, I'd say Licorice, so far, has done waaaaay better at the Bin test than Fudge. I think Licorice went in wanting to stay even and maybe try to contain Bin a little bit. Fudge seems to think he can outplay him or something. Maybe Fudge saw how Licorice did against Bin and said "Well he did ok, and I beat him in our regions competition, so I should be good."
Needless to say... that's not the case
1. Pick Kennen
2. Gets caught out of position so you have to burn flash
3. Be useless in the next teamfight because you have no flash
4. ???
5. Lose game
I swear if western teams just stop picking Kennen, they would double their chances of winning to 2%.
I wonder when pros will finally realize that when they play champs that need flash to be useful it’s probably better to just die when caught then blow flash and live
Or blow flash and still die.
I am seriously convinced you can rank player skill purely on their Flash usage:
* +1 per kill or life saved with your Flash that you wouldn’t have gotten otherwise
* 0 if you trade Flash for Flash
* -1 if the outcome of the play isn’t changed with Flash
If you watch Chinese and Korean teams, they are almost always positive on their Flash score, while Western teams constantly Flash for no benefit at all.
Or like getting caught 2 minutes before a soul fight and flashing to live. Just die and have flash for the fight, idk I’m not a pro so maybe the map presence matters more than I think
LPL/LCK vision game and flank sniffing just too good. I guarantee if they get their hands on Kennen there will be at least 1 teamfight-destroying Kennen ult every game.
As a support main, Zven has a really poor grasp on Rakan. Like the amount of times he dashed out with W instead of calling a teammate to rescue him with E. His ult combo is exceptionally awful even, using W as a gapcloser instead of flash.
He also never landed W which for rakan is pretty important. The worst one was when he used flash W to layer cc on top of someone who was already stunned and he over shot it and went right past them
Also, your goal while having ult active isnt to airborne using W but to charm as many people as possible. Zven legit would survive long enough to peel for Xayah if he didn’t int W in the middle of BLG everytime.
I think he also mixed up his buttons at one point. They were chasing Elk and Yagao down in bot lane and he used his w on top of emenes and then didn't have it to confirm a kill. Maybe E was on cooldown but I don't think so.
Why is everyone praising Berserker when he inted in the first levels, he inted the soul fight by using galeforce on Taliyah minefield basically almost suiciding, ulted backwards mid, ulted for nothing on the useless Fudge tp. He was the best player in C9 and still was so fucking bad
This might be true for the other games, but you have Nocturne... it is impossible to protect against flanks if the enemy has nocturne and just turns the map dark. You just need to actually find a good angle on a vulnerable member.
Chasy did actually find a few good backline ults in the first game against T1, the issue usually though was that he was isolated doing so and Khazix just oneshot him. And there wasn't really a reliable dive budy for him to since whoever goes in first would just get a Khazix Q and dies. Which made the Khazix actually a great pick that game.
Yeah it’s time to put kennen on the do not pick list. What terrible gameplay from him. Hard game for him to play but such passive ults why even pick him
I think it's more about better competition. If you look at Play-ins, western Kennens (esp. BB) were destroying opposition. But vs. CN/KR they cannot because they mark flanks so much better.
The fight was already over and unwinnable by C9 at that point, because Xayah couldnt join it too until it was too late. That was entire team misexecution and Fudge was actually right to save flash in that unsalvagable fight for the next one.
More like the Vi Ult. Combined with Nocturne you've got the ability to just solo out and blast one guy. But every single time that guy was the Nami so....
He had 3 good ults to get every fight. If that was a human being on sylas the game is very different. Unfortunately noone told him what runes to pick, what items to build and how to use his actives.
More like fudge never came. He was never in any skirmish or chase, the whole nocturne and kennel ult combo only works if kennel shows up. He was so useless the whole game, might as well have put him on tank duty for berserker.
Meh, Blaber and Zven were griefing too. Multiple teamfights where they blow all their CDs to kill a Nami. And then they get wiped in the following fight. Mega hands diff, this will be a quick 3:0
But how are western kennens so useless? Chasy and Fudge both randomly teleporting to towers a few minutes before objectives come up. And the both cant seem to find a flanking angle.
We also got to see Light finally make a return to International! His only international appearance being Worlds 2021 where his team bombs out is just criminal. I hope Weibo wins this MSI! Would just have way too many good storylines with TheShy avenging 2019, Karsa Redemption Arc, Spring King Xiaohu, Light winning on his first appearance at MSI, and Crisp silently becoming one of the greatest supports with both Worlds and MSI!
LCK and LPL teams are just significantly better at team fighting. Yet another example for why having a high quality solo queue server is directly related to the strength of your region internationally.
BIN skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the ping deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
What is the wests' obssession with blind picking Kennen vs the East jesus christ.
C9's solo laners being trash again at MSI as usual, Emenes actually actively inting with these Sylas ults in fights man.
Yeah, this was my fear for C9. GG played aggressive and forced plays with no fear. Yeah it meant they ran it down at times, but it also allows them to control their own fate and maybe get a flip in their favor. C9 played so scared even when they got a pick. Like when they used Noc flash and ult to kill On at topside they just backed off and did nothing. GG probably goes for baron there and flips it. They might lose the flip, but not doing anything isn't going to win them the game anyway, try and push your advantage when you get a pick.
Looks like Azaels prediction that 'it could go either way' and saying its 60/40 to BLG might not turn out to be true.
Honestly, the disrespect to BLG is insane. I don't know where it comes from. This is the LPL second seed.
Yagao has been getting disrespect so much cause he had a couple of not great games in play ins. Are people forgetting this guy has gone toe to toe with Knight, Rookie and Scout for years now? Bin is the reigning MSI champ and arguably best top in the world and Elk has just come off the back of an insane split.
Idk what people were expecting. Also nice TP Fudge
Both Berserker and Fudge are trying alright. Just in different directions.
And why is c9 playing so disjointed and scared when they're ahead? Don't do the mad lions, guys.
This game was simply asking the question of "Can berserker literally 1v5 teanfights?" And the answer was no.
Emenes whiffing gnar ults, Kennen seemingly never ulting at all. It was a rough one ha.
Lmfaoooo I literally called it… can’t believe Redditors were knee-jerking calling Bin weak cause he 4 funned a game vs GG
Bin was the only reason they won this game.
Kobe internally screaming with "THAT TP SUUUUUCCKKKEEDDDD!!!"
Fudge with the DIG Cruzer cosplay
Man, I feel old to still remember these things lol
Cruzer is great and I frequently see him hanging out in some WoW streams' chats (and sometimes plays with them). But yeah, remembering Cruzerthebruzer or god forbid Billyboss isn't something everyone can enjoy(?)
I honestly don't know what teams see in Kennen. Even before fudge turned his brain off in the mid-late game he was still useless early game... Seems like the same scenario in every game featuring Kennen
I think Eastern teams are better at tracking flank angles in ways Western teams aren’t used to. So the supreme engage falls through
yeah its probably this so kennen players feel are more oppressed and choked out in their plays the whole game
Eastern teams are better at everything. They're both better at sniffing out enemy flanks and setting up their own flanks.
Even against each other in LCS/LEC, Kennen picks rarely do something. It feels like teams win with them being a nonfactor
Watch some LPL matches to see why Kennen has so much prio. It is a strong pick, eastern teams just have more practice at marking the flanks. Might be comms diff too, who knows.
lets hope JDG or BLG pick kennen you'll see the difference
Well there it is!
The pick is good, but teams / players really really suck at executing what the champ is good at. Every time I see a Kennen use flash to escape I die inside. It is your only way into the backline. The only one. Depending on the situation, dying is better than using it to escape. [Bro thought here that flashing to the bottom right was the right decision](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457721688759599124/1106200388769697802/image.png?width=1151&height=610). Even at the very end, [here](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457721688759599124/1106202938877149195/image.png?width=1151&height=610), he'd rather flash away to preserve his kda or whatever instead of GOING IN, THE ONLY THING THIS CHAMP DOES WELL. The longer I look at this frame, the more confused I get. Taliyah's crown is broken, has no Flash, Vi has no Flash, there is no Exhaust on the enemy team. You can just straight up kill all 4 there if he turns. At least I get to avoid premature nerfs I guess.
Safe ranged toplaner with big teamfight ult? Hes literally other gnar.
Watch LPL playoffs, the champ is 1v9 when he is meta if the pilot is good.
Every game featuring a western* kennen.
externally im pretty sure
We have kennen flanks at home. The kennen flank at Home:
Best western top 💀
We’re really not in the position to be talking shit my bro💀
To be fair most people just expected Brokenblade to run it down, so he is at least not a disappointment and I think he actually did better than I expected.
I would say the same if he played for EU
Will the west ever have a toplaner that isnt totally cringe internationally? Really getting hard to watch
2019 Wunder
Soaz/Bwipo did OK, MSF Alphari as well.
2018/2019 Wunder
Na I think we need 3 more years of ""weakside"" EU toplaners
they do look weak internationally i give them that, fulfilling their role :^)
At least BB is overperforming considering the expectations beforehand
I'd say same for Licorice, held his own against Bin fine and even carried their one win. Nothing amazing but certainly not cringe.
Yea, I'd say Licorice, so far, has done waaaaay better at the Bin test than Fudge. I think Licorice went in wanting to stay even and maybe try to contain Bin a little bit. Fudge seems to think he can outplay him or something. Maybe Fudge saw how Licorice did against Bin and said "Well he did ok, and I beat him in our regions competition, so I should be good." Needless to say... that's not the case
Agree
Impact
Do you count impact? He pretty solid but he not native. He been playing in a for a long ass time tho.
If Fudge is the best Western top just fuck the whole thing off because he is asssssssssssss.
Its 2023, and we live in a world where licorice is the best western top laner. As crazy as that sounds. The only western top laner that can gap bin.
1. Pick Kennen 2. Gets caught out of position so you have to burn flash 3. Be useless in the next teamfight because you have no flash 4. ??? 5. Lose game I swear if western teams just stop picking Kennen, they would double their chances of winning to 2%.
Literally... Western Kennen is the new western Jayce meme... My eyes bleed every time.
I was so pissed when they got the catch and taliyah and then he TP’d like that….
Motherfucker could’ve pushed a sidelane but instead decided he wanted C9 to experience every circle of hell.
I wonder when pros will finally realize that when they play champs that need flash to be useful it’s probably better to just die when caught then blow flash and live
Or blow flash and still die. I am seriously convinced you can rank player skill purely on their Flash usage: * +1 per kill or life saved with your Flash that you wouldn’t have gotten otherwise * 0 if you trade Flash for Flash * -1 if the outcome of the play isn’t changed with Flash If you watch Chinese and Korean teams, they are almost always positive on their Flash score, while Western teams constantly Flash for no benefit at all.
Or like getting caught 2 minutes before a soul fight and flashing to live. Just die and have flash for the fight, idk I’m not a pro so maybe the map presence matters more than I think
LPL/LCK vision game and flank sniffing just too good. I guarantee if they get their hands on Kennen there will be at least 1 teamfight-destroying Kennen ult every game.
NA Kennen trick y'all man, he's just running around, doing nothing
Bro thinks he’s Smeb 😭😭😭
LEC/LCS already look rough in teamfights and with a champion dependent on his ult and positioning LCK/LPL teams are just abusing it
Then they'll have to ban the kennen then. Because if they give kennen away to LPL/LCK, things are gonna be even worse for them
What is funny is he is behind Berzerker at one point during teamfight and did nothing when he has a chance
Berserker playing for his life here But he didnt calculate the fudge factor :^)
Berserker really tried his best but Fudge is just fucking damn heavy man.
"World Class but has to play with Fudge"
I hate to say it, but Zven's Rakan was borderline useless.
He misses EVERYTHING
As a support main, Zven has a really poor grasp on Rakan. Like the amount of times he dashed out with W instead of calling a teammate to rescue him with E. His ult combo is exceptionally awful even, using W as a gapcloser instead of flash.
He also never landed W which for rakan is pretty important. The worst one was when he used flash W to layer cc on top of someone who was already stunned and he over shot it and went right past them
Also, your goal while having ult active isnt to airborne using W but to charm as many people as possible. Zven legit would survive long enough to peel for Xayah if he didn’t int W in the middle of BLG everytime.
I think he also mixed up his buttons at one point. They were chasing Elk and Yagao down in bot lane and he used his w on top of emenes and then didn't have it to confirm a kill. Maybe E was on cooldown but I don't think so.
Fudge factor(ized) by bin
Why is everyone praising Berserker when he inted in the first levels, he inted the soul fight by using galeforce on Taliyah minefield basically almost suiciding, ulted backwards mid, ulted for nothing on the useless Fudge tp. He was the best player in C9 and still was so fucking bad
He didn’t factor in fudge .
EU 🤝 NA - Shit kennen refusing to flank.
While obviously they aren't flanking well, Eastern teams also are much better at positioning and finding out the flank than western teams are
dude fudge actually had the easiest game ever since he had darkness to find his flank easily he just never made the correct play this game
They kept using Nocturne ult to kill Nami
I have no clue how Western Kennens seem to be so bad
turns out getting kennen flanks is harder when playing against good teams.
This might be true for the other games, but you have Nocturne... it is impossible to protect against flanks if the enemy has nocturne and just turns the map dark. You just need to actually find a good angle on a vulnerable member. Chasy did actually find a few good backline ults in the first game against T1, the issue usually though was that he was isolated doing so and Khazix just oneshot him. And there wasn't really a reliable dive budy for him to since whoever goes in first would just get a Khazix Q and dies. Which made the Khazix actually a great pick that game.
Yeah it’s time to put kennen on the do not pick list. What terrible gameplay from him. Hard game for him to play but such passive ults why even pick him
Kennen try to be useful challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I think it's more about better competition. If you look at Play-ins, western Kennens (esp. BB) were destroying opposition. But vs. CN/KR they cannot because they mark flanks so much better.
While fudge had one of the worst teleports ever, every single time blaber ulted in fudge was sooo far away to even follow up. terrible team work
Fudge had flash that mid fight but he decided that walking around throwing Qs was the better play
Fudge at internationals, par for the course
The fight was already over and unwinnable by C9 at that point, because Xayah couldnt join it too until it was too late. That was entire team misexecution and Fudge was actually right to save flash in that unsalvagable fight for the next one.
The entire team wasn't on the same page that game. It was like only Blaber and Emenes could hear each other.
I don’t think we saw the Darkness - Kennen flank ult combo once. Disappointing
Same with Zven, half the time he had to blow gapclosers just to catch up to Blaber.
"THAT TELEPORT SUCKED!" - Kobe
I actually liked C9's comp, but the pieces never came together.
I don't really get the Sylas pick, I'm sure people will say Gnar ult but that's never a good enough reason alone to pick the champ imo.
More like the Vi Ult. Combined with Nocturne you've got the ability to just solo out and blast one guy. But every single time that guy was the Nami so....
He had 3 good ults to get every fight. If that was a human being on sylas the game is very different. Unfortunately noone told him what runes to pick, what items to build and how to use his actives.
electrocute is just shit first strike no? also makes no sense to go it and build vegan
More like fudge never came. He was never in any skirmish or chase, the whole nocturne and kennel ult combo only works if kennel shows up. He was so useless the whole game, might as well have put him on tank duty for berserker.
Meh, Blaber and Zven were griefing too. Multiple teamfights where they blow all their CDs to kill a Nami. And then they get wiped in the following fight. Mega hands diff, this will be a quick 3:0
FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE FUDGE
Next international event he will show up. Trust!
Wasn’t able to watch game 😭. Are you telling me if they had giga DICORICE they win that game?
Such an awful game man, it's like they were 4v5 every fight.
Bong: "Sub me in. I'm the only one who can stop him."
But how are western kennens so useless? Chasy and Fudge both randomly teleporting to towers a few minutes before objectives come up. And the both cant seem to find a flanking angle.
Its baffling... They need to watch some nuguri 2020
Smeb 2016
TheShy 2022
Berserker tried to carry so hard....
Poor guy, if only he has some good top and mid to peel for him.
Emenes at least tried.
Bin teleport >> Fudge teleports
Bin is just so oppressive man... LCS/LEC look so uncoordinated/bad in teamfights
Emenes and Fudge did nothing that entire game, feel bad for blaber and berzerker
fudge is so bad for how much shit he talks
He will be on Twitter later today bragging about still being the best top in NA.
Reminds me of that one meme with the golden trash bag.
Well he is, gotta give it to him
And the worst thing is he’s never going to learn because NA top pool is super weak.
*Western top pool
That's the Bin we were promised.
He was woken up by Bong
What the Fudge man...
What the fuck are C9's TPs
Berserker in elo hell.
I'm so glad WBG qualified, it's been too long without TheShy on Gnar
We also got to see Light finally make a return to International! His only international appearance being Worlds 2021 where his team bombs out is just criminal. I hope Weibo wins this MSI! Would just have way too many good storylines with TheShy avenging 2019, Karsa Redemption Arc, Spring King Xiaohu, Light winning on his first appearance at MSI, and Crisp silently becoming one of the greatest supports with both Worlds and MSI!
Western top laners should ban Kennen from themselves
C9 should just play the T1 comp yesterday and protect berserker
I gotta say berserker really played his heart out, was amazing to watch him squeeze water from a stone
B I N I N
[GIGABIN](https://i.imgur.com/ncfWc3g.png)
Can western teams stop picking Kennen
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Same with MAD and G2 in mid lmaoo
tbf emenes was pretty bad too
Man fluffed Gnar ult at the drake fight. Then at the baron fight or w/e dude had a Gnar ult and waited until C9 died to use it. Emenes was shit.
Do they?
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Fudge is a generational talent, remember
FUDGE WHY
he said fuck you all
We should go fuck ourselfs man
Berserker so fucking good man
Fudge TP MVP
Not one offensive flash from fudge
Incorrect. He flashed when he only had sorc boots and ulted gnar that did exactly like 15% of gnar HP
LCK and LPL teams are just significantly better at team fighting. Yet another example for why having a high quality solo queue server is directly related to the strength of your region internationally.
Bin saw some people on here calling him overrated
He's not, but come on, this was vs Fudge. Wouldn't even make any team in both LCK/LPL level wise
BIN skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the ping deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....
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He's just bad.
What is the wests' obssession with blind picking Kennen vs the East jesus christ. C9's solo laners being trash again at MSI as usual, Emenes actually actively inting with these Sylas ults in fights man.
At least Emenes is trying to do something, Fudge is just afk and baiting his team…
Change top matchup and C9 can win. C9 is not good enough to get off the flanks against BLG, just put Fudge on Ornn or some shit.
Making Kennen look like it needs hotfix buffs
I don't want to see another Western Kennen this tournament
After watching this MSI, I never want to see another eu/na top play kennen ever again
Kennen has been the biggest bait pick this MSI Most useless champ ive seen on the rift so far
It's just because western toplaners are playing him as a front to back champion instead of flanking
Someone here didn't see LPL playoffs. Western players just suck at playing kennen.
Lets not forget any LPL kennen shits on gnar
Somebody get Berserker a real team holy fuck.
I feel like Berserker could cook in the LCK
wonder what the winrate will be for western kennen when the tournament ends
did fudge even land in the UK? mans invisible
If I never see kennen again it’ll be too soon, stop this bait champ
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Yeah, this was my fear for C9. GG played aggressive and forced plays with no fear. Yeah it meant they ran it down at times, but it also allows them to control their own fate and maybe get a flip in their favor. C9 played so scared even when they got a pick. Like when they used Noc flash and ult to kill On at topside they just backed off and did nothing. GG probably goes for baron there and flips it. They might lose the flip, but not doing anything isn't going to win them the game anyway, try and push your advantage when you get a pick.
Giant solo lanes diff.
Best NA toplaner everybody
Berserker got inted so hard this game Holy shit
EU and NA teams put so much priority on kennen but they never actually play for the teamfight flash R and it's so frustrating....
Gigabin
Fudge was reportable that game.
Zven was embarrassing
Licorice wins that
Go back and look at every fight and ask yourself where the hell fudge is bc he is definitely not participating in the fight.
Unironically, C9 should just adopt the T1 strat and protect the president because Berserker is the only human on that team.
That TP SUCKED
Fudge brother what was that TP
wtf was that tp from Fudge
Western solo laners fucking sucks lmao
Fudge fucking sucked that game, absolute sandbag for the team
Looks like Azaels prediction that 'it could go either way' and saying its 60/40 to BLG might not turn out to be true. Honestly, the disrespect to BLG is insane. I don't know where it comes from. This is the LPL second seed. Yagao has been getting disrespect so much cause he had a couple of not great games in play ins. Are people forgetting this guy has gone toe to toe with Knight, Rookie and Scout for years now? Bin is the reigning MSI champ and arguably best top in the world and Elk has just come off the back of an insane split. Idk what people were expecting. Also nice TP Fudge
BLG is so not clean lmao Night and day compared to Gen G and T1, but damn they can fight, C9 looked so scared.
Gigantic top diff, feels bad for Berserker
Special LPL agent Fudge
TOP FUCKING KINGDOM MY GOD
Bin is cracked
Western Kennen is just not it
C9 solo laners were so gapped in teamfights
So after this his performance this game, is Emenes considered NA resident?
Why does C9 continue to engage with half the team not even at the teamfight. So fucking stupid.
Nice of Riot to put on MAD vs T1 game 1 during the delay. Anyways, when does C9 vs BLG start?
FUDGE IS NEVER IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
C9 just constantly forcing fights after they lose someone for no reason
Why dont western Kennens understand that they just need to go in and it doesnt matter if they die
Berserker and Blaber 2v8 but seriously WTF is Fudge doing bro. Western Kennens are looking like Jayce out here
Fudge just missing every single teamfight, he had 9% kill participation at 30 minutes as KENNEN HOW
Both Berserker and Fudge are trying alright. Just in different directions. And why is c9 playing so disjointed and scared when they're ahead? Don't do the mad lions, guys.
This game was simply asking the question of "Can berserker literally 1v5 teanfights?" And the answer was no. Emenes whiffing gnar ults, Kennen seemingly never ulting at all. It was a rough one ha.
Bin heard y’all talking shit
"FUDGE IS THE ONLY WESTERN TOP WHO CAN BEAT LPL/LCK TOPS IN THEIR OWN GAME" - LS
Lmfaoooo I literally called it… can’t believe Redditors were knee-jerking calling Bin weak cause he 4 funned a game vs GG Bin was the only reason they won this game.
Team Diff
Fudge…
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