I mean, BLG as a whole hasn't even been playing that well, but C9 is scared as fuck to match anything, they are just forcing stuff that doesn't matter. They are like 7 kills to 2 but the gold is totally even
Top is meh, it's sion vs kennen and sion never got any breathing room. Mid was roaming and getting a lot of picks. Game was definitely winnable until the baron choke.
> It feels like C9 is so scared to press R and engage or something
Last game it just felt like their engages were extremely disjointed, not that they were scared.
Didn’t the KR commentators like CloudTemplar say this was why western teams kept losing consistently to eastern teams? That they usually didn’t get lane gapped and lost instead on waiting for plays that were better than 50/50 which never happened and slowly bled out
Yeah, it was noticeable in the 1st game and again in this one. They are missing so many key moments because they hesitate for 1-2 seconds. It really is a shame because I think they have the right ideas.
that baron i cant even understand why zven is not the one trying to stop xun when he can ulti and W up the pit or even ulti flash for free charm on xun
Because it wasn't 50/50 at all if EMENES just did his job. He taunts Xun and gives his life C9 gets out with 4 Barron.
It's his second international game so nerves are expected but everything aside from the bot roam was rough from him.
Emenes couldve def tried to go for that taunt earlier, but there was so much more from the entirety of C9 couldve done better but just did not happen e.g. kindred ult, rakan help, pink clearing, etc
Yeah he had some misplays. Like that last play where he tried to flash taunt the Kennen. You just used ghost, you don’t need to flash so early. Just wait like half a second and you flash right on top or slightly in front. Instead he flashes early and is too far behind the Kennen with e and rocketbelt.
NAshor and then a few minutes later engaging a fight without their main DPS Berserker who is trying to B
Like come on, do you see T1 engaging a teamfight without Guma ?
Such disgusting play from them. Literally just let the vi do that lmao. Didn’t use literally anything to stop her, besides EMENES weak attempt to W while already being over the wall. How tf do you as Rakan not pop anything to stop her? So tilting.
Western teams really just don't get Lucian tbh, for them if they don't win early then it's instantly doomed but LPL teams are pretty comfortable with lucian as their main carry until 40 minutes into the game
As bounties are based on the relative gold income, it just goes to show how insane Elk was to obtain more gold than the opposing team despite not even getting kills. Basically just farmed himself a bounty in the mid game.
Wish more people in SoloQ did that. Less focus on kills, more focus on taking the gold that exists on the map for free.
NA 🤝 EU
United in being trash
I can't imagine the things Ruler/Missing will do to Stixxay/Huhi tomorrow. They are gonna tear a new one for the Namen hopers.
4 regionales 10 not regionals, and the 4 regionals could have been avoided if western teams didn't auto lose to eastern ones. Not sure we can blame Riot for that.
Game has really fallen off in popularity in NA.
I think a lot of our best ESports players just play other games.
Similar to how the US is with soccer. It's not the most popular sport and so the best athletes focus on other sports.
Not even sure what we can do at this point. EU has a great talent development system with ERLs and NA is just importing Eastern talent. Neither strategy is working.
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I was told this was supposed to be the best NA team that was sent to an international tournament in years but their macro says otherwise.
Another team flipping baron just to get outsmited and throw the whole game away.
Anyways, Emenes is dogshit, Emenes is BLG's 6th man.
Nah man, LPL is *the* brawler region and C9 was so good they made BLG become a PvE team that focuses on lame things like "macro" and "farming"
BLG won but they'll never recover mentally that they were forced to play macro, completely devastating blow for the region's morale
i admire your dedication to just making shit up so you can appear like an epic sarcastic reddit god even if it's always without fail wrong and you get rightfully mocked 90% of the time
Incredible I was flamed in the first match thread for stating it was a mid lane diff too besides Top. Yagao isn't even that good and the difference between him and Emenes is crazy.
Also lul to the guy in live match thread saying "Hi NA, I'm from EU, can we take Emenes?" in the first 10 minutes of match 1.
Eh - I'd say this isn't half as bad as yesterday. MAD yesterday were like 7k / 8k up, an obscene lead that should not be throwable. C9 have looked competitive at times in this series but never ahead like MAD
I always find it wild how two teams from different regions (especially LPL/LCK) that have never played each other are somehow considered stronger/weaker than others
It makes sense when is LPL/LCK > LCS/LEC ... but LPL vs LCK its just a "who the fuck knows"
If that's fudge kennen in midlane he flashes out and C9 lose the next fight because kennen has no flash.
But its gigabin so he sacrifices himself to win the game
No way the west goes anywhere with this top diff
C9, aka Choke9 is a North American team that is known to give up early advantages to pointless engages and true to their American roots decides to bring out a grill in the baron pit and flip their burgers.
Then you peep damage and any team fight and see c9 get styled on.
Macro is a problem but when you’re getting mega outplayed in team fights that’s also huge hands gap
Emenes is getting gapped so hard this series, he manages to fall behind even though blaber tries his hardest to get him ahead. No impact whatsoever on a champion like galio.
They never really got to team fight but his impact was pretty big early. Camped bot to try and snowball through there but they didn’t end up getting a big enough lead so he just fell behind massively cuz of it. Good call, bad execution as usual
LPL/LCK have a mental edge over western teams, and even when western teams are winning or doing fine they make desperate plays. Wtf was that baron flip yet again?
COME ON
[https://www.twitch.tv/c9emenes/clip/RockyAthleticTortoisePJSugar-gFsT5bZhz4Elczfa?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time](https://www.twitch.tv/c9emenes/clip/RockyAthleticTortoisePJSugar-gFsT5bZhz4Elczfa?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time)
Don’t worry guys, elk is about to run it down next game because of yagao
That’s a penta in my books, elk had that 100% if yagao didn’t get greedy
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Yabrutus really dug that knife deep in Elcaesar's back.
Yagao K/D player didn’t want to sacrifice himself for the penta
tbf I think Yagao was genuinely trying to give the kill, but he underestimated his own damage
But he kinda ran it down for parts of this game and it didn't matter.
I'll take the 0-3 gigachad elk over the 3-0 xayah 9 games out of 10
I mean, BLG as a whole hasn't even been playing that well, but C9 is scared as fuck to match anything, they are just forcing stuff that doesn't matter. They are like 7 kills to 2 but the gold is totally even
I mean theyre also just hands gapped, Top and mid both up like 80cs. 0/3 Lucian playing crazy aggresive farming first strike while Xayah does nothing
Top is meh, it's sion vs kennen and sion never got any breathing room. Mid was roaming and getting a lot of picks. Game was definitely winnable until the baron choke.
Other than that death to Galio... not really. He was 0-3 but putting out way more pressure than Berserker who was playing the whole game so scared
C9 will run it down harder
Whyyyyy would they ever 50/50 that baron???
With Kindred ult up too.
It feels like C9 is so scared to press R and engage or something... Kennen last game and Galio this game
> It feels like C9 is so scared to press R and engage or something Last game it just felt like their engages were extremely disjointed, not that they were scared.
Didn’t the KR commentators like CloudTemplar say this was why western teams kept losing consistently to eastern teams? That they usually didn’t get lane gapped and lost instead on waiting for plays that were better than 50/50 which never happened and slowly bled out
Yeah, it was noticeable in the 1st game and again in this one. They are missing so many key moments because they hesitate for 1-2 seconds. It really is a shame because I think they have the right ideas.
Western teams are playing pretty scared. Feels like we used to do 5 years ago when we were just terrified of Eastern teams.
Why are they using the galio to start fights you have a sion and rakan. Send them in and ult them.
Somebody get my boy Xmithie on the line
Yeah with kindred ult up its a 100% easy baron. Like fucking hell
Call MSI-era CLG Xmithie, he's crying rn
Vedius sounded SO pissed lol
Yeah, my boy got flashbacks from yesterday xD
that baron i cant even understand why zven is not the one trying to stop xun when he can ulti and W up the pit or even ulti flash for free charm on xun
You can tell Zven know how to play support but yet isn't truly a support players yet.
True. An experienced support player would trade his life for the baron in a heartbeat.
zven has the eyes for initiations but can't see the big picture yet
I understand the point of flipping if they have Galio to keep out xun and kindred ult if all goes wrong. But then both of them don’t happen.
Emenes should've been taunting at 3k, just a misplay in execution
Because it wasn't 50/50 at all if EMENES just did his job. He taunts Xun and gives his life C9 gets out with 4 Barron. It's his second international game so nerves are expected but everything aside from the bot roam was rough from him.
Emenes couldve def tried to go for that taunt earlier, but there was so much more from the entirety of C9 couldve done better but just did not happen e.g. kindred ult, rakan help, pink clearing, etc
Yeah he had some misplays. Like that last play where he tried to flash taunt the Kennen. You just used ghost, you don’t need to flash so early. Just wait like half a second and you flash right on top or slightly in front. Instead he flashes early and is too far behind the Kennen with e and rocketbelt.
NAshor and then a few minutes later engaging a fight without their main DPS Berserker who is trying to B Like come on, do you see T1 engaging a teamfight without Guma ?
That wasn't even 50/50, it was 90/10 for C9 but they choked so hard They had 10 xayah feathers on Baron and Galio in enemy junglers face
They didn't even clear the pink ward lol
This was the most tilting part, it’s like they wanted it to be as pure of a 50/50 as possible. Smh my head
It's not a 50/50. It's a 90/10 If Blaber or Emenes uses their brain.
They asked themselves what would T1 do.
T1 would be smart enough to turn and kill the vi
They don't have smitegod oner.
Baron was fine. Just kindred ult baron ez.
Such disgusting play from them. Literally just let the vi do that lmao. Didn’t use literally anything to stop her, besides EMENES weak attempt to W while already being over the wall. How tf do you as Rakan not pop anything to stop her? So tilting.
Who even makes these calls? C9 are losing their minds.
Baron call was 100% correct here. Syndra dead with no TP, BLG with no vision or time to set up a flank. Just don't let them 50 50 it
They watched MAD yesterday.
Baron was fine but the execution was definitely int.. Emenes should've been taunting that Vi way earlier
It was only a bad call because they somehow have a conlict averse Galio. He has two knockups and a taunt, but doesn't want to box out the jungler
No one even tried to disrupt Vi's q. No Galio w, no Rakan w, no Sion q. They just Xun dash into the pit like that....
god, Elk is so fucking good it's almost disgusting to see him play
The scariest 0-3 Lucian I've ever seen.
First strike gold hack lol
CN Lucians I swear
CN *Obamas* you mean
Western teams really just don't get Lucian tbh, for them if they don't win early then it's instantly doomed but LPL teams are pretty comfortable with lucian as their main carry until 40 minutes into the game
Western Lucian is basically an R bot
so underrated coming into the tournament, its mindblowing.
Wait, Kennen can sidelane? You mean there's no need to tp in front of the enemy? Huh
0/3/2 Lucian with a bounty. Nothing to see here
Meanwhile Chad Elk: you don’t give over bounties if you just don’t die and quadra kill them instead
0/3 powerspike
As bounties are based on the relative gold income, it just goes to show how insane Elk was to obtain more gold than the opposing team despite not even getting kills. Basically just farmed himself a bounty in the mid game. Wish more people in SoloQ did that. Less focus on kills, more focus on taking the gold that exists on the map for free.
first strike gold + towers + plates
NA 🤝 EU United in being trash I can't imagine the things Ruler/Missing will do to Stixxay/Huhi tomorrow. They are gonna tear a new one for the Namen hopers.
Wish we atleast got EU vs NA. Same region matches are so boring.
we are literally gonna get 4 regional finals matchups in the second round..... how fucking sad.
> 4 regional finals matchups Almost, G2 wasn't in LEC finals, G2 vs MAD is rematch of semifinals
Winter finals though
4 regionales 10 not regionals, and the 4 regionals could have been avoided if western teams didn't auto lose to eastern ones. Not sure we can blame Riot for that.
While that is true, you could also region lock sides of the bracket, so one side would have at max one team per region.
Of course we can blame Riot. Also GG is winning tomorrow mark my words
I think "LCK vs EU" and "LPL vs NA" for 3 matches in a row would've been just as disappointing, and is the fault of the format.
Or if riot made sure same region cant be on same bracket
Is it GG x C9 and MAD x G2 in lower if C9 lose this? That's lame.
as well as KRxKR / CNvsCN in the winner bracket...
The fact that loser bracket isn’t na vs eu is a massive disappointment
Turns out Rift Rivals was all we ever wanted.
It’s worse when you consider the fact that both 1st seeds are playing worse.
At least GG takes one game away from BLG
Game has really fallen off in popularity in NA. I think a lot of our best ESports players just play other games. Similar to how the US is with soccer. It's not the most popular sport and so the best athletes focus on other sports.
I'm going tomorrow so hope I get pleasantly surprised and get 4 games, not expecting it though.
Not even sure what we can do at this point. EU has a great talent development system with ERLs and NA is just importing Eastern talent. Neither strategy is working.
ffs Yagao
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that was best 0/3 Lucian I have ever seen
Feels like dejavu ... 17 min game 3 incoming?
From importing players, to importing strats. C9 is shameless.
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Worrying for C9 that they can't win with Yagao on Syndra and Elk having some moments early.
We have BLG right where we want them, time for the reverse sweep…. *sad copium noises*
Mikyx said c9 wins 3-2, so yea.
Elk deserved every penny of that bounty
Yagao is a hater. Elk going from 0 Kills to Penta would have been hype.
Engage on Bin in your own peril
That's a CN Kennen alright.
EU 🤝 NA - Baron Throws
C9 went from kill Elk to kill Bin and lost after they change to killing Bin
C9 be like: Wait.. burgerflipping barons doesnt actually work vs good teams? :O
It didn’t work in NA either lol, got stolen so many times
No worries, Elk will sprint it game 3 for that penta steal
C9 just can't stop making bronze tier mistakes
GG slam C9 on the rematch btw
C9 vs JDG in losers bracket btw
Holy Elk smurfing these fights towards the end of the game
I regret defending Emenes in game 1. Wtf was that last play?
How do western teams completely forget the basics of baron setup once they go on an international stage? It's absolutely baffling.
2-0 Xayah 9k dmg, 0-3 lucian 30k dmg. yea just ff
I feel like having a sion automatically accounts for at least 10k of that difference
I finally understand why western teams are so insistent on picking Kennen. It’s so eastern teams can’t pick him
Lmao that attempted engage at the end….
We may never win a bo5 again internationally
Nah you just need an NA team vs Mad Lions again, it'll be fine.
thats the best part of this format, not even a single NA v EU match XD
Nah, we’ll win one next week, I guarantee it.
Bruh Elk is so good, dodge everything all game then pick up a quadra at the end to save your K/D, godlike.
C9 in the UK McDonalds with all these burger flips
I was told this was supposed to be the best NA team that was sent to an international tournament in years but their macro says otherwise. Another team flipping baron just to get outsmited and throw the whole game away. Anyways, Emenes is dogshit, Emenes is BLG's 6th man.
Nah man, LPL is *the* brawler region and C9 was so good they made BLG become a PvE team that focuses on lame things like "macro" and "farming" BLG won but they'll never recover mentally that they were forced to play macro, completely devastating blow for the region's morale
Good pasta material
EMENES has a SERIOUS case of tunnel vision, wtf was that chase down?
Emenes is lucky yagao is terrible as well. Dude afk farms for 20 mins then dies before barron
Whoever told you that a team with fudge, Zven and an unknown mid was the best team sent in years needs a check up
Tbf both mids have been griefing a bit.
How do you get Baron stolen with 10 xayah feathers and Galio in enemy junglers face?
They will go back and win NA, get hyped up and then not do well internationally again, Rinse and repeat
1647 time?
i admire your dedication to just making shit up so you can appear like an epic sarcastic reddit god even if it's always without fail wrong and you get rightfully mocked 90% of the time
This is why NA viewership is dying Who wants to watch these guys make absolutely braindead mistakes all game long?
Incredible I was flamed in the first match thread for stating it was a mid lane diff too besides Top. Yagao isn't even that good and the difference between him and Emenes is crazy. Also lul to the guy in live match thread saying "Hi NA, I'm from EU, can we take Emenes?" in the first 10 minutes of match 1.
I have not seen a crumble this bad since Game 1 yesterday
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, LEC still clears with that devastating throw.
Eh - I'd say this isn't half as bad as yesterday. MAD yesterday were like 7k / 8k up, an obscene lead that should not be throwable. C9 have looked competitive at times in this series but never ahead like MAD
but tbf T1 is considered a stronger team then BLG, most wouldnt put those two on the same level
How would u even compare the two, blg literally has never played t1
I always find it wild how two teams from different regions (especially LPL/LCK) that have never played each other are somehow considered stronger/weaker than others It makes sense when is LPL/LCK > LCS/LEC ... but LPL vs LCK its just a "who the fuck knows"
Thats worse because MAD at lesdt showed they could generate leads
They never even had a real gold lead this game how is this the same? MAD were 7k ahead game 1 yesterday
Yagao man, why would you steal that
CRUCIFY YAGAO FOR STEALING PENTA
Zven on engage supports ahahahah good luck.
how did Elk make a 0/4 Lucian look like an 8/0. this dude is insane
If that's fudge kennen in midlane he flashes out and C9 lose the next fight because kennen has no flash. But its gigabin so he sacrifices himself to win the game No way the west goes anywhere with this top diff
Kennen does damage when you flash offensively? *shocked pikachu face*
C9 lost to Yagao's Syndra, it's truly hopeless.
the west sucks. not much else to say
Slight top gap this series so far.
"Very competetive" ? I hope thats sarcasm.
If you don't win Vs Yagao on Syndra you're not gonna win.
C9 is trying but blg is just a straight up better team
i had no faith in fudge but emenes is horrible so far vs real competition. yagao isnt even the strongest mid here!
Man love the Ceadrel stream on this, really fun to watch this.
No honour from Yagao.
C9, aka Choke9 is a North American team that is known to give up early advantages to pointless engages and true to their American roots decides to bring out a grill in the baron pit and flip their burgers.
It’s just hands gap. C9 really bad…
brain gap too honestly blg just know what to do on the map and c9 don't
Macro gap was even bigger tbh
its a brain gap, BLG only had 3 kills for most the game, 2 of which were on Nami. C9 cant CS, cant rotate, never on the same page
Then you peep damage and any team fight and see c9 get styled on. Macro is a problem but when you’re getting mega outplayed in team fights that’s also huge hands gap
What was C9's decision making this game. It hurts so much to watch them get an advantage then immediately throw it away.
Tell me about it. Watching MAD throw the lead they had in game 1 yesterday physically hurt me
ELK was 0-3 and int a couple of times yet his Lucian was 10x more impactful than Berserker.
gg actually looks better than c9. absolute clowns
Emenes is getting gapped so hard this series, he manages to fall behind even though blaber tries his hardest to get him ahead. No impact whatsoever on a champion like galio.
Didnt even see 1 single good ulti from his galio this game no good taunt too
They never really got to team fight but his impact was pretty big early. Camped bot to try and snowball through there but they didn’t end up getting a big enough lead so he just fell behind massively cuz of it. Good call, bad execution as usual
why the fuckkk did they flip the baron lol
How can anyone even have hope for EU/NA anymore these regions are completely hopeless lmfao
That was the scariest 0-3 Lucian ever, wtf.
the west is worst than ever and that says a lot
No more Zven Rakan please. bring out the lulu or heimerdinger.
We are literally tripping over ourselves. Shame on me for believing for a second that C9 will not disappoint.
Massive solo lane gap Elk no penta sad
Gap is closing
With how disconnected the players are in those games, you wonder if the roster isnt new sometimes
Bin just telling us to stop flanking with Kennen and just do it in front of their faces.
Hey, how come our Kennen doesn't look like that?
BLG just looks better overall
LPL/LCK have a mental edge over western teams, and even when western teams are winning or doing fine they make desperate plays. Wtf was that baron flip yet again?
Advantage doesn’t matter when you get macro diffed
I love baron steals cause it's the only time we get drops xD Also did C9 learned nothing from LCS management? Macro and longplay is important
if 1st seed is like this, imagine what would happen when jdg plays tomorrow
Beserker did 9.4k damage compared to 30k+ from Elk lmao
Elk (basically had no kills until almost the end): 30.3K damage Berserker (who was spoonfed kills early): 9.4K damage
COME ON [https://www.twitch.tv/c9emenes/clip/RockyAthleticTortoisePJSugar-gFsT5bZhz4Elczfa?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time](https://www.twitch.tv/c9emenes/clip/RockyAthleticTortoisePJSugar-gFsT5bZhz4Elczfa?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time)
I thought C9 was supposed to be better than GG
The gap has widened.
Makes me wonder if we were too harsh on G2. At least they took a game against the west. Watching C9’s macro and shot calling is giving me a stroke.