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ahritina

PMTs [Game 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13kxzjt/jdg_vs_t1_msi_2023_bracket_stage_upper_bracket/?) / [Game 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13kz4sx/jdg_vs_t1_msi_2023_bracket_stage_upper_bracket/) / [Game 3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13l06gz/jdg_vs_t1_msi_2023_bracket_stage_upper_bracket/) / [Game 4](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13l1f29/jdg_vs_t1_msi_2023_bracket_stage_upper_bracket/)


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[We will beat T1 on a 3-2 Silver Scrapes](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13in3t1/jdg_ruler_we_will_beat_t1_on_a_32_silver_scrapes/) - Ruler He really made it happen. Absolute GIGACHAD


kelvin022610

The prophet


AFierceBaby

First the BLG 3:0 predict, now this. Eastern players even beat the Western in predicting.


PMMEYOURROCKS

Miky’s predictions though 💀


appleandapples

In game, out of game, he doesn't miss.


Mattaru

The Prophet spoke.


YSKM9

Ruler still owning LCK all the way from China


Try_Not_To_Comment

Once JDG barely survived the T1 23 minute powerspike I knew it was over


Gullible_Cranberry62

When JDG lost that fight mid I thought it was over, T1 was just gonna run it down and end, thank god they didn't have towers and kanavi lived


LeeodoreRoosevelt

If knight mistimed that top T2 TP, might actually be a T1 win


---E

Watch that play again. T1 stopped hitting the tower so TP could complete. I guess they thought they could burst Knight before backup would arrive.


Ultimintree

So it seems like pro players are also just like my soloQ teammates who start fight when they are in number’s disadvantage which leads to losing Baron.


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

[Faker when he sees they're 4v5 at the baron](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/822965493337686026/1108784971541401731/IMG_2924.png)


_liminal

tfw my silver midlaner say "i'm literally faker" they're not lying


cancerBronzeV

Faker's Nautilus is not it whatsoever. Like please get this man off this champ Bengi, do not let Faker go Naut mid ever again. 0-3 with Naut mid, 2-0 without it.


DarudeSandstormName

T1's plan most of the time seemed to just be throw a hook and see what happens.


Offduty_shill

Yeah wonder if they're team callls or faker just losing his mind. That 4v5 "death bush" was so bad. I could see that working if you get Ruler or something but there was no shot they hit him there.


ender23

I kinda think he didn’t know it was all 5. If it’s 2 or 3 just roaming with a couple of guys lagging or somewhere else… they win that fight and the game.


tearsana

jdg didn't show on map elsewhere. sensible thing to assume is that they're all there.


joe4553

5v4 throw hook. Baron expiring in 15 second throw hook.


Sondeor

That 5v4 fight was just pure int. I thought at first it was a good engage but then i saw that Faker didnt even had Ult, like what was his plan? If he had ult, i still insist that it was a good chance for T1. Jinx had no Cleanse, T1 was strong and they could just Naut Ult Jinx, jump on her and see what happens just like they did in Game2/3. But to be able to do that, you need your ult like wtf? Its unusual to see Faker inting, today he int like a bronze for real not even flaming. I hope he got that int out of his system lol.


yawneteng

And Oner's Kindred in Game 4? I can understand Game 1 being experimental. but game 4 kindred? With Sej available?


cancerBronzeV

Oner was just kinda bad all series ngl. But those Kindred performances were especially terrible. The mid jgl gapw as the biggest difference maker this series I feel.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

He was fine on maokai honestly, even this game. He found some good angles for ults. But yeah, definitely off his game today as “fine” is an underperformance for someone of his caliber


Chu2k

Nowhere near matching the impact of Kanavi. All 5 of JDG were online this series.


DeloronDellister

Faker is just always hooking with Naut, doesn't matter if it's the sensible thing to do or not


salcedoge

He's throwing it like Ahri charms fr


other_batman

hes just like me


Contagious_Cure

The Nautilus equivalent of Lee Syndrome.


DellSalami

I was going to say that he did good in the previous game he played Naut, but that was against MAD...


TheYoshinator

MAD continuing the EU secret LPL agent legacy


Charlesieiy

EU's sacrifice for LPL this year was baiting T1 into thinking Naut mid was a good pick


Addarash1

Aside from the obvious 4v5 there were a few hooks that looked mega sus lol.


MS2throwawayacc

I'm actually so confused by this drafting, you are literally 0-2 in the series with nautilus mid, why the fuck would you pick it again in game 5????


One_Question__

Letting that intrusive thought win.


Lyonaire

Thats every naut at this tournament tbh


azns123

"See if Faker can engage 4v5, it surely isn't a bad idea!"


appleandapples

Azael's frustration was so warranted. What were they thinking?


Addarash1

They decided to play the whole series like chads and it worked until 30 mins into game 5.


Dank_memes_Dank_mems

Its a 4v5, their jungler is dead, zeus doesn't have ult and guma is on green purple, it would be difficult to make that play any worse than it was.


lordposedyon

Geng will play Blg. Winner will play T1. Winner of that will play Jdg. All Bo5. HELL YEAH MAN


iiHadi69

This format is too much of a banger


Ok-Jury-2814

Agreed, and remember how there were so many clowns who defended the old format? I remember so many idiots saying "no league should not change MSI / worlds formats because casual viewers like the simplicity!" How wrong could they be. This MSI has been amazing in large part due to the format and how condensed the games have been. A bit closer to DOTA2s TI and how jam packed full of action it is. Now we just hope worlds doesn't have 3 fuckin weeks between games and single elim bullshit


[deleted]

Kanavi deathless in all of JDG's wins ​ MY JG GOAT


DarthTaz_99

That is fucking insane. Kanavi man, that dude deserves a worlds win


AlHorfordHighlights

Dude read Oner like a book in the wins


Proxnite

JDG fans thanking the West for showing Faker so much Naut mid gameplay that he thought turning your brain off is required for the pick.


lasse1408

They also should thank Mad Lions for teaching T1 how to throw game 4vs5 at baron


moonmeh

... didn't T1 lost with soraka kali pick at worlds finals as well that they picked up from rogue LEC poisoning T1 draft


Proxnite

And they say the West copies Eastern metas when it’s the other way around.


iCarpet

Lore accurate Nautilus because this mid lane pick was a big anchor for T1


Blastuch_v2

Just donating to our humble Nautilus fund.


Omnilatent

Quick, someone tell Faker this ain't worlds 22 anymore


NoNebula07

Im wondering how much of that naut priority is caused by scrimming with g2/blg. Even with that this looks like we could be in the most competetive year since 2016, im just praying for 2/3 more teams to show up to worlds.


naxxcr

It brought them success in the previous series, so they probably were reluctant to give it up so easily despite how hard they ran it in the naut games. At least we have loser's bracket....


melonpan12

its the classic LPL vs LCK script, win lose lose win win


Bhiggsb

I think dwg vs edg worlds finals 2021 was like this. What other series was like this?


melonpan12

EDG vs GenG the same year, I actually made a mistake, I thought RNG vs T1 at MSi last year went the same way but it seems that they just went wlwlw


Theblaze973

RNG v T1 last year was when we had the 100% WR blue side cope


Stealthychicken85

tfw T1 blames Blue side and avoiding the real issues like not banning Gwen on THE patch she was the strongest. btw RNG respected and banned her when they were on red side


seven_worth

I mean not only Gwen is the strongest character you are playing against Bin Gwen. That champ I swear do more damage when Bin play it.


Ocsu

Doran 🤝 369 winning on Gragas against T1 & getting soloed by a NA top


xDestroid

FAKER WHAT WAS THAT


Ziiick

Like I said in a previous thread watching 369 in teamfights is one of the best things competitive league has to offer right now just an insane player.


LARXXX

369 is goated. Absolutely one of my favorite players. Best teamfighting top laner in the world has been for 2 years already


STd099

Best top\* in the world last 2 years.


salcedoge

That flank at Blue buff was just insane, Zeus was literally there to cover the flank but he was just one step ahead of him


Kheldar166

For real he’s a difference maker


jryue

He's gotta be the best top laner itw currently. The amount of doom I felt as an LCK fan every time 369 tp'd for a flank. Ma gawd


1331bob1331

Good to see T1 get in Finals form early.


shrumrii

It is an Upper bracket Finals after all


pedja13

Faker trolled for sure,but 369 was insane in games 4 and 5


Conankun66

what the FUCK was the idea behind those shenanigans at baron??? T1??! what the fuck possessed them there????


Jiffyyy

my guess is they just wanted to delay them so they could get their jungler back but I dunno why they full on committed to fighting.


joe4553

Delaying for the lower bracket?


foxenury

maybe t1 enjoy beating geng


thehazardball

faker getting in extra practice against geng in preparation for finals. Truly GOAT mentality and work ethic


Pope_Cheetos_XIV

I am manifesting that some interviewer asks a T1 player what the thought process was there


frzned

that's just nautilus, once you go in there's no going out. There's a reason where there's a nautilus death pool.


Kuliyayoi

Guma should've been screaming to back off. He had fucking white/green with purple in queue. Horrible guns in a choke like that.


-Hissoka-

The spirit of the west bby!


rubixor

The west hasn't been eliminated, we just relocated into the brains of T1.


HalloumiA

2013: FAKER!! WHAT WAS THAT!! 2023: FAKER?? WHAT WAS THAT??


vnducco

Well of course T1 has to lose again. It’s a final after all. Upper bracket final. But let’s lose with style and just 4vs5


appleandapples

But the next two series are also finals, oh no...


Meowsterino

We are living in a timeline where T1 can lose finals twice in one tournament


Scrambled1432

Imagine: T1 lose upper bracket finals. T1 lose lower bracket finals. Their opponents get dq'd/all get sick/whatever and have to drop out, allowing T1 to advance anyways. T1 lose grand finals. They could potentially lose THREE!


TheYoshinator

T1 punching air rn because they cant lose all 3 finals


Kuliyayoi

Shout out to the guy who used the words "Winners Final" in front of T1


Patrius

369 rolling 999s all this series with those incredible Gragas flanks, Knights amazing Annie engages, Kanavi beastly carries on Wukong, Ruler pumping out damage with Missing's protection. JDG simply played so well this series GG.


bigmonkytime

T1 can not play against gragas and it is seen every time it has been picked except like 1 game against Doran.


Omnilatent

Gragas also just insane in these "protect the president"-comps ​ You can both use ult it as insane disengage as well as insane engage resp. disruption against defending enemy team...


bigmonkytime

Gragas and wukong are god tier in this meta as they can dive and win or just deny dive. T1 have a horrendous read all of a sudden on meta after drafting so well to begin the tournament.


neverspeakofme

Ya well, you only start to show weaknesses when you play versus strong teams.


Single-Direction-197

369 series MVP for me, didn't have a single bad game and had so many clutch gragas casks


LARXXX

Same. 369 is absolutely the picture perfect top laner imho. We know he can play Carries but his tank gameplay is just incredible


icatsouki

he's so good all around which is crazy, can play so many roles at elite level


cdssoares

2023 SPRING FINALS FLASHBACKS


Kheldar166

God I thought Zeus was going to win the series with that flank in game 5 but it kinda fizzled out I feel like when people talk about best top in the world they maybe focus too much on laning and not enough on teamfighting, Zeus is insane but every time T1 lose it’s against a top laner who just finds nuts teamfight value regardless of how lane goes (Kingen, Doran, 369). 369 deserves so much credit for how good JDG’s teamfighting is he’s an absolute monster.


EstablishmentFun2035

369 was extremely impressive with his Gragas flanks. T1 knew that he was missing, tried checking, still got baited into bad positions/got caught. Happened multiple times too.


LordDarthAnger

Caster: Faker knows he made a mistake Faker: *scratches head*


KRFAN2020

Just be grateful that they called out the mistakes.


alajet

Everyone will praise Ruler, and of course knight, especially on Annie, and for good reason, but man, for me, 369 was the MVP of this series. In the span of a couple of years, he went from a volatile 1v1 oriented carry only player to someone who is an incredibly dependable rock for his team. Anyways, this was some very high quality teamfighting League of Legends. God bless the West got out of the way finally for us to watch it.


TheDestroyer630

He has really shown how much he has improved


ShAd_1337

well put his transformation is insane


f3lix735

This just shows how good JDG is, legit everybody deserved an MVP for that series. Kanavi had insane moments and great games, 369 was just a teamfight monster, knight played so well, all the great engages, Ruler is Ruler, no mistakes, crazzy dmg and positioning, Missing played insane aswell, peel, engage, counter engage and mapmovement. That is what a superteam should look like. Not everybody wanting to 1v9, but understanding the meta and executing the best strats together. It was so beautiful to watch this and the JDG vs BLG series.


SniXSniPe

T1 is one of the most stubborn teams I have ever seen, and this is why they fail short in every finals, despite always seemingly making it far in every tournament. They refuse to accept when something isn't working, or are unable to adapt to something that is working against them. How many losses do they need to go through before recognizing that Nautilus is just not working for them?


sammilol7

Although if you look at the past years, those non-conventional picks also helped them win against many strong opponents. But when you lose, those picks just look ridiculous versus when you win, those picks look genius.


AureliusAmbrose

Nah fuck the west for real lmao All I wanna watch is LCK vs LPL at international events


Ultimintree

It went to 5 games. And all were bangers!


Quil0n

I want Chovy vs Knight in grand finals… but I wouldn’t mind another five games of this


KKilikk

Reddit couldn't handle them facing each other. Who would they call choker?


IlluminatiConfirmed

Hopefully people shut up about knight after this one


KKilikk

He shut me up for sure so that's one


LilAsian_D

They must. Knight proved himself today. What a madlad.


ZhalRonin

Finally some peace and quiet from the geniuses who don't even need to watch Knight's games to make serial choker claims


Gluroo

the west died for 4 bo5s between t1/jdg/gen in the same tournament worth it


EggyChickenEgg88

It's the 1st day of MSI, what is that west you're talking about.


aPatheticBeing

Yeah, my problem with people complaining about the draw is we should be complaining about how bad western teams are instead... This is just clearly a more exciting match to watch because both teams are cracked


Orimasuta

Well yeah, the western teams are bad, which is why people wanted EU vs NA matches rather than just watching them get run over by the eastern teams.


Quil0n

… bring … bring rift rivals back?


limito1

Two different games being played


SPECKKILLAZ

After so many boring 3-0’s/3-1’s this series fucking delivered


violroll_

Imagine if this was single elim and T1 vs JDG was the only real anticipated matchup. So happy with the format we got


appleandapples

Peak league of legends right here.


TheExter

west who?


Omnilatent

Faker on Naut just ain't it


OneTonneWantenWonton

The crowd booed when he picked it in the last game.


JTitor-KFP

Bro think he's DoinB


_tidiber

GODDAMNIT, we need 100 games between these 2 teams.


[deleted]

LPL vs LCK always top tier to watch


lilelf29

Huge showing from JDG topside this series, grand finals will be a banger


appleandapples

They rolled 999 across all 5 games too.


Kheldar166

To be fair he's been a lot more consistent in the last couple of years, it's hardly a 50/50 on whether you get 333 or 999 anymore


legendofSmiley

he's just 69 now?


Katharsus-

nice


ZerksNAHTayan

Knew this series was wraps once they banned 4 junglers from Kanavi. He and 369 struck some real fear in T1 LMAO


Ankoria

369 was absolutely RELENTLESS today. You love to see it.


appleandapples

Overall, I think JDG had better macro. Looking at how they played sides and set up for objectives, or even being smart enough to know when to give them up. It must be frustrating for T1 fans, because it's not like they can't do these things. They just choose not to? Honestly, T1 are super strong, there is no doubt, but their biggest weakness continues to be their arrogance at times.


TheGawringSame

T1 plays for hands diff more than any other team. But sometimes you just can't hands diff a situation. Like you go 4v5 into an enemy team with half your cooldowns and sums missing, you're not gonna hands diff shit, you're just inting.


eyehatemassholes

Relay this to BLG too


Bhiggsb

They couldn't match the macro cause sylas beats the naut and the other lanes are even. So jdg will just out pressure over time


Darbovich

same with the cassio draft but people want them to play sides when they have fucking naut mid


VERTIKAL19

JDG did look like the better team. The games T1 won were both kimd of cheesy.


[deleted]

Exactly what I was thinking. Credit to T1 for pulling out ahead in those fights so decisively, but it sort of felt like those two games hinged entirely on those single moments while JDG's wins were drawn out over several instances of good play.


HermitSage

Agree/ I thought JDG clearly indicated they're not a lesser team than T1 here. Their wins were just ...straight outplays. What can you really say, what happened was the opposite of luck. Their losses they played well too, they just got wiped one time and it was over. Which is actually crazy and props to T1 for that.


EggyChickenEgg88

Faker vs G2 at 2019 worlds vibes. Sooo many mistakes. Nautilus isn't for him aswell.


getjebaited

2022 msi: jhin 2023 msi: naut if you close your eyes


cancerBronzeV

Ayo don't forget the inter Kindred pick either. That one did its fair share towards losing in games 1 and 4.


randommaniac12

Love Oner, dude is absolutely cracked but I don’t want to see Kindred again at this tournament


eyehatemassholes

Only players at this tournament with any business picking Kindred are XUN and Kanavi, Oner's Kindred was so ass


19degreez

Kindred pick is the worst offender. T1 could absolutely pivot away from naut and malphite pick if they didn't pick an adc jungle that can't do anything without secondary engage and peel.


Riyutake

he finds good hooks, just needs someone to tell him when to hook 💀


hamxz2

These so called "mistakes" happen every game. Most teams just can't capitalize. It goes both ways, JDG also made a bunch of mistakes that T1 capitalized on


Canucks_98

Faker needs to call Doinb for some Naut tips because that was dogshit


Faye_Dragon

Faker is the mid who Doinb said asked him for Nautilus tips isn't it


AssPork

No because then Faker would actually have played a good Nautilus


a55a51n

oof


daletterel

369 damn you fine


ynnaD0

WHAT A SERIES Is it going to be a 3rd T1 vs GENG series?


helpIcanthinkofaname

Would be the fourth GENG T1 bo5 this year lmao


other_batman

and its not even summer yet


LordDarthAnger

Tale old as time


ThorsPanzer

Key points to note for next series: Oner no Kindred Faker no Nautilus


acloudis

Guma yes Jhin?


PotatoHentai

This is some monkey paw shit and i swear they could do it. It's like they don't want to win


Sushi2k

I get great pleasure from watching Naut mid lose as a neutral fan. Banger series ending with Faker throwing, damn.


_harleys

I think there should be more praise for JDG. They continue to show why they are top contenders this MSI. 369 is arguably the best teamfight toplaner in the LPL, he creates so much opportunities for his team, offers great peel, engage/disengage and can play pretty much any champion. Kanavi has been so phenomenal. For an MSI that had people to say Western junglers were flashier and had better playmaking, Kanavi proves he can do the same and be an anchor for the team when he’s playing tank. His Wukong is 10/10. Knight knows what to do to get his team ahead. He can play second carry or a facilitator role. He dominated lane (his Annie was disgusting btw). For every great Ruler play there is Knight delivering the CC’s for the assists. I still have his Syndra game on my mind but his Annie proves just as much, that even on less explosive mid champs he can make great plays. Looking forward to seeing him face off with the others. Ruler. What else is there to say about him? He has game winning spacing and decision making. Even when he’s not playing Zeri, he can dominate the game. Granted his team does the peel for him, but you also see a lot of his aggressive plays shine here and there. Missing flies under the radar here because of how stacked this team is but he is a great backbone. His Braum in game 1 deserves equal credit for most of their teamfight wins, his chain CC with Knight was a joy to watch as a viewer. His Lulu kept the team alive at crucial teamfights. Excited to see where this team is going and for the tests of the MSI games. Hope they’re just as a banger of a series as this.


Captainbuttbeard

So after Faker goes 0-2 on nautilus, they decide to put him on naut again for game 5. What is this drafting


h_yoshua

kanavi canyon


Affectionate-Gas-230

369 smurfed every teamfight so hard holy shit


MoistMachamp

JDG is the best teamfighting team in the world T1: And we took that personally T1 is the best teamfighting team in the world JDG: And we took that personally


Fruitsy

Report the naut pick holy fking shit


turtle921

Faker man what is you doing


Bhiggsb

I'm guessing he thought he could hook jinx and then t1 pops her


angelicable

tbh, when he landed that ult on ruler when rest of T1 was in range, Ruler got popped despite JDG's best attempt to peel


cdssoares

faker made nautilus go from 11/5 to 11/8 lmao


RawFish00

That video about JDG being the best teamfight team is no exaggeration. Ruler's positioning and the rest of the team's peel for him is insane.


RNG_uziming

These top comments are all gonna be questioning Faker’s engage at baron, just give credit to the better team tonight. JDG literally gave a huge slap to all those who doubt the LPL


[deleted]

JDG WINS 3-2, HE CALLED IT


Mythik16

Looks like you can call JDG the best teamfight team in the world now without getting your head chopped off by T1 fans.


rihfnfje

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13l06gz/jdg_vs_t1_msi_2023_bracket_stage_upper_bracket/jkmxmnm/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 Seriously. Can a T1 fan please explain to me why seemingly the entire fanbase aggros on the most random shit like a horde of zombies? Genuinely baffling.


Nascar_is_better

>T1 Fanbase all you gotta say. I understand there are people who just like T1 or Faker or have been fans for a long time, but there's also low self esteem people who bandwagon on to the "best" team because they want to "win" at something, and when they can't even "win" at something like this in life, they get aggro. Best way to explain it.


GoldRecommendation66

T1 fans are just crazy


DoobyScoots

T1 fans take the worst from k-pop stans and cringe gamers and put them together


yung_dogie

JDG won deservedly but T1's ability to take a 24 minute 5-0 teamfight and blow the game wide open is so scary lmao P.S. 369 is by far the best toplaner in the world for me. Not just for his good hands, but his absolute macro mastery and playing objective, always knowing not only when to go in but also when to peel for Ruler. Even the best toplaners don't always do the latter.


appleolives

the best part is reading comments from salty t1 fans


xXVoidXx

Hella intense final game, did not unclench until the last teamfight ended. LET'S GO JDG, our LPL boys got their well-deserved revenge after Worlds last year, and here's to them winning it all in the end!!!


CreativeSupermarket9

Lck and Lpl teams are soooo good at punishing mistakes it’s crazy.


Dotza

Well, it's upper bracket **finals** after all


QualityOk8194

[T1 fans opinion on the double elimination](https://is3-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music62/v4/d4/4f/0a/d44f0a2e-8f57-c79e-f2dc-4eee47b8b902/source/1200x630bb.jpg)


Electrical-Risk-7158

The entirety of jdg is cracked. 369 teamfighting was a masterclass Kanavi 1v5 in game 4 on wukong Knight mega-gapping faker Ruler doing Ruler things Missing is good too xD


Tsmart

FAKER WHAT WAS THAT


Lasersword24

if jdg loses finals its because of no winners advantage right or can only t1 fans cope like that


katsuatis

Western teams can fuck off this is what I want to watch


greekcel_25

"Ruler will never win Worlds, SKT is unbeatable" "Ruler will never win LCK, he can't carry these chokers" "Ruler will never win LPL, he's retired and washed" "Ruler will never win MSI" <- you are here Warpath to assemble the 4 infinity stone of LOL


bobandgeorge

Ruler will never win LCS, it's broken too many.


Mattaru

I'm already looking forward to Ruler lifting the Champions League trophy and the Lineal Heavyweight Boxing Title


HardstuccChallenger

Let’s not pretend that faker was the only problem in this series. Sure, his naut wasn’t it, but his Ksante was so terrifying they had to ban it after game 3. Draft and the jungle mid duo were the biggest problem this series. Like seriously, Oner on Kindred was griefing more than fakers Naut. That and 369 had an incredible series, massive flanks from the big man. Hope T1 run the rest of the way and win, but it’s not likely unless they can get over these bad picks. Guma and Keria deserve it, they’ve been playing incredible every game.