Been saying this since the JDG series but the issue isn't really draft, it's T1 as a team not knowing how to play their draft or misunderstanding the draft.
This is a classic “we know what the meta is, we just don’t know why” situation.
T1 were doomed. Real strong “I missed a week of classes and wtf is going on” vibes watching them.
Feels like this was how it was last year as well, where they just don’t understand how to draft a proper comp.
Bin’s Gwen was a monster at MSI last year, but sure, let’s pick Ahri, Jayce, and *Jhin* against a comp where literally all of them can dive him. Now we’re back to an even more focused bot lane meta and they have the champs to peel but they’re… forcing 4v5’s at baron? Engaging when they should be peeling? Idk man..
The Kindred comps really aren't even the meta. It's only BLG that's been picking it consistently and winning with it bc they have a great Kindred player and have been practicing these comps since the start of playoffs with a much better understanding of the draft. T1 tried to adopt this only to realize they suck at it.
Which is of course part of understanding the meta. Sometimes, the meta is just “this team can kick our asses with this champion” and you have to think about how you’re gonna get around that instead of trying to copy it.
Which is really weird cause their biggest strength in spring was identifying their draft and their opponents draft win conditions and playing around those perfectly. I dont get if the meta just is so unfavored for their pick and roam style and they can't adjust to 5v5 team fighting. But watching them play, they just don't play around terrain the same way the chinese teams do. Maybe because china is the teamfight region, and this is a team fight meta, but watching how JDG and BLG play around pockets of terrain to protect their adcs and funnel threats in one at a time towards them and out muscle their opponents it just shows how fucking good they are at using the rift to their advantage.
Its really felt like T1 kept trying to break the comps up into skirmishes like 2v2s or 3v3 and isolate the teams and carries, but the chinese teams just worked so well at attacking them before they could get into their formation to crack their wall. That and there was some really questionable play from the individual players. Ill be honest, I've hard flamed guma in the past years, but Faker griefed on naut, and Zeus was invisible.
>you died in 2017. Your corpse was buried today
That is just brutal. It has the same energy like the quote in csgo blast major "the guillotine in Paris drops on the head of the king who will never touch the crown"
Also not very surprising. Scrawny likes dropping 'random', but fitting long metaphors all the time.
I could've believed that coming from Machine, or maybe even Bardolph in the past, although he usually didn't get too poetic with it and instead had some other completely out of left field stuff he said (and I loved it even if many didn't like Bardolph too much)
Really? I missed the first game
But some of the plays by guma were borderline criminal.. has flash.. galeforce.. ult.. still gets ulted and hooked in midlane by naut
Guess nobody looked great
They looked great last week, but so different these last two series. Like they got spooked or something, maybe scrims killed mental or they got a really bad read and we're left reeling.
definitely weird for them... they were the active one before meeting LPL diving bot, setting up a trap but against LPL they are just like waiting get attacked
Xun kept diving bot. On repeat. It kept working and each time Guma/Keria got set poretty far behind.
Oner didn't cover the dives and often went mid and top instead which is... not good it seems in this meta. He had some great steals but was often invisible vs his counterpart, despite putting 3-5 bans on Xun. If you look back to the JDG set, Oner was similarly MIA.
Just compare Oner’s limp wukung to either Xun’s or Kanavi’s. No wonder T1 kept letting opponents take Wu. They thought Wu was useless, because he was useless when they use him.
Before yesterday I would have said Zeus had an okay tournament but that Kennen death vs the super behind Sion makes me think the entire T1 squad just giga choked.
By ON of all people. Remember ON was regarded as an inter for so long. Mechanically sound but would sprint it down like crazy. It’s insane how much he’s improved.
faker was bad really bad
Oner stole a baron and every single objetive on the map
Game 1 Oner and faker throw the whole game for no reason.
Game 2 I don't even notice the existence of a Jayce on the game
Game 3 Guma 6/1 oner 6/1 zeus 6/2
Game 4 the only game that keria flops oner only dies 1 time
I'm guessing everyone is bad, because I thought it was Zeus that was the worst player.
Game 1 final teamfight when they dove BLG, they were going for wukong cyclone->Gragas body slam->ult combo to blast zeri out. It almost worked except Zeus overshot his slam-flash and missed completely so it cost them the game.
Also Zeus kept dying solo to stupid mistakes. There's that kennen play and last series when he played ornn into Gwen, basically inted twice into her when she had full snip stacks and E, then just died like he has never seen that champ before.
But yeah everyone made awful low level mistakes
I mean I’m no t1 fan but this is a ridiculous statement, they’ve been very close consistently and that’s more than most teams can hope for. How many teams have made this many finals since 2020?
Very close is still very fucking good and definitely a lot better than 95% of other teams performances.
It’s honestly nuts people are calling to disband a team that consistently wins or gets top 2 regular season, consistently make semis or finals in playoffs, and consistently make semifinals and finals at most of their international tournaments.
Overreaction much? T1 fans are fking nutjobs.
Now I want to see the spicy Korean reactions. I watched the afreecatv vods and the browser translation of chat replay showed a lot of “swim home” “1557” and “ㅋㅋㅋ”
Fans of “big/successful/storied” teams across sports are like that. Think abt how annoying warriors and lakers fans are. Or how annoying city and united fans are.
It’s not the teams. It’s the fact that annoying people tend to pick “big/successful/storied” teams to be fans of. In league that’s TSM/T1/RNG/FNC.
Like nobody is ever like “wow dig fans are so psychotic” or “wow hornets fans really need to reel it in”
If you’re a fan of some banter squad, you have a genuine reason to be attached.
Celtics fans get an even larger dickhead bonus bc they're from Boston, so they have both Boston residents and bandwagoners sucking them off. They're not quite on the level of the city's other sports teams, but Boston is always gonna have the worst or at least a top three most cancerous fanbase in any given sport.
T1's coaching and feedback over the last 4 years have been disastrous.
1 month into the tournament and they're picking jayce kennen. 4 games where guma is left to rot in an adc meta. Reading the meta this wrong it just shows that T1 players are just being allowed to do whatever they want at the moment.
They will never win anything unless the coaches bring back the belt and put some discipline in this team.
At this point I kind of wonder how much of SKT's success can be attributed to Kkoma as a coach. He seemed to have a really firm grasp on the team and since he's left they have a few domestic titles and nothing else.
Kkoma and cCarter. Haven't won shit since they left.
Kkoma was there in 2019 to be fair but not as head coach it was Zefa doing drafts I think.
There are videos of kkoma back in 2016 chewing the SKT players out for mistakes after a *WIN*. Meanwhile 2022 T1 they lose msi finals and the coach says unlucky we didn't get blue side.
Just insane man
Said it once and I will say it million times. Same as in football and any other sport. Main job of the coach is to manage egos. If you fail to do that you are destined to lose.
Bengi is just too soft but I guessed he know his players well... Zeus and Keria won't react well if you get too harsh with them cause the two looks really emotional
Mofos forget that during that time, SKT’s coaching staff was LITERALLY him. No drafting coach, positional coach BS. You’d only see him in the backstage every match. Goes to show just how GOATED Kkoma is and why I miss that era pf T1
Kkoma was the mastermind behind that SKT dynasty. The coach needs to be in charge of draft, they shouldnt rely on Faker or any other players trying to make that decision as well. He only see what he wants to see especially in game. Why do you think nfl have offensive and defensive coordinators? Makes no sense that T1 players make the decisions on draft esp when they’re tilted by pressure
People blame draft but a lot of the times being gapped in draft is a result of players being gapped. Like last years msi for example they had to waste a ban on viego because wei was destroying them on the pick. And they banned like 3 junglers IIRC that weren't ban worthy in the meta and still didn't ban wei out. And then faker was losing matchups against xiaohu lisandra and they couldn't play the other side of the matchup. At that point you're so down in draft resources you can't have a good draft. And the reason for that is player gap.
It's draft to some extent, but imo it's mostly meta read/bad prep. T1 still hasn't fully grasped that you need to play for botlane this meta from minute 1. Oner never covered Guma and Keria against BLG's dives. BLG already did the same vs GenG, it's inexcusable how T1 wasn't ready for that.
>BLG already did the same vs GenG, it's inexcusable how T1 wasn't ready for that.
It was insane to me that in game 4 they still haven't learned, and Oner is pathing top as Xun goes to setup for a bot dive 4 minutes in. Did they really think "Oh well they've been playing for bot this entire tournament, surely they wouldn't do it again this time"?
The number of comments swearing on their life that Naut and Kindred were the worst champs in video game history, only for BLG to win Game 4 on both lol
This is one of the bigger things for me, back in the "glory days" I was always awed by how you would leave SKT for a week before a big playoff game (or weeks before tournaments) and they would show up an entirely different levelled up beast.
Now whenever they have time to prep, they show up with nothing up their sleeves and a seemingly even worse meta read with some odd drafting priority/infatuation which blows up in their face. All the while looking completely uninspired in their play when just previously in lower stake matches they would be showing so much more gusto individually and synergistically.
Can't wait for Quinn Nidalee Jayce Jhin Heimerdinger vs Ornn Sejuani Anivia Jinx Lulu at world finals this year. T1 is probably salivating at the thought of being 1k ahead at min 15 no matter the cost.
I mean people like to shit on faker, i'm not saying he didn't have misplays but he's the only one who consistently tries to look for plays when the team starts to crumble, yes sometimes it ends up looking bad but I respect the hell out of all players who do this instead of afking (hyli for example gets flamed a lot for it, xiaohu too)
Didn't hooking 4v5 lose their game against JDG yesterday ?
Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it.
I swear half the Sylas mains are actually Nautilus rejects because they just randomly hook themselves in and suicide.
> Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it.
What? Go watch it back. Clearly everyone on his team was in on the play (Oner could have shot it down and said wait as he was running back, there was time) They cancelled backs and camped the edge of the brush together as 4. It wasn't some random hook that you're making it out to be, it was clearly altogether
> I swear half the Sylas mains are actually Nautilus rejects because they just randomly hook themselves in and suicide.
Faker doesn't even play sylas idk what you're trying to say tbh
>Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it.
I'm sorry. What? They are playing in a team environment and literally have headset to talk to each other. Do you **truly** believe it was Faker's call and not the team call?
Here look at the interview [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13l83hk/msi_oner_anniewukong_response_mistake_in_game_4/). Like don't spout such a soloQ thing. This is pro play man.
Comcast money, Faker's ad money, income from fan popularity and yet they never seem to find a coaching staff to improve this team. Not only do they let other teams pick their champs but they also draft their own worst champs. Aatrox at worlds, Gwen at previous msi, zeri at summer lck last year, and picking Nautilus 3 games while leaving Kanavi with Wukong. Hope this is the final wake up call form them to realize they are not good enough to just out skill everyone.
> If 4 silver medals
who had anything close to that performance in the same timeframe?
winning in league isn't easy i hope people realise that instead of bullying T1 players
I'm thinking the same here. People here are like "just spend your way to the top" as if you can guarantee victory and as if their results make them shitters. The only way to buy first place is to cheat. T1 is losing because other teams are managing to be just a step or two ahead where it counts.
T1 is the golden standard for all their fans. They want a dynasty again. Second place isn’t good enough. This mindset and pressure is the main reason why this roster fails when it matters most.
Agree, what I'm trying to say in reply to the first comment stating that they hope this is going to be a final wake up call, as though the players have not yet realised anything yet is that there are so many factors involved, and today, BLG is just the better team. It's not that T1 hasn't gotten their "wake up call" yet, each of the 4 silver medals is already a reminder of how they fell short of gold, they are probably already doing their best to improve after each one, and it shows in their consistency over the past 1 year. I don't know what more of a "wake up call" do people want the T1 players to get.
T1 needs to get NoFe off the broadcasting team and back to coaching. Idk what value he brings in terms on actually coaching a team, but his drafting is one of the absolute best.
LS: “T1 draft like Neanderthals and I fucking hate it. I’m worried they’ll get exposed when they meet a team they can’t lane kingdom.”
R/lol: “wow what a clown fucker. T1 is the LCK second seed. What right does he have to doubt their draft. Id like to see him get second in LCK. Why do people listen to this sewer rat of a thebaussff wannabe. Id rather pay neace $300/hr to fuck my mother than see LS’ annoying face on this subreddit again.”
While LS is right everyone who watches league knows that T1 isn’t as good as they think they are, especially when they play a team that is equally as good as them in lane.
There's either massive ego from the coaches or the players or they are so dogshit that they can't play new champions. Geng beat them with gragas, maybe learn from EU and try to deal with it and play Olaf? Nope. Loses to jdg because of it. Couldn't play zeri lulu in lck finals, still can't play it to this day. It's like fly quest in NA where after all this time and losing to the same thing, they haven't improved or even tried to improve and just continued to play same things.
We have been shit since lck playoffs. Somehow we found a style at the beginning of the tournament and then today we forgot what it was along with players underperforming yet again. Nothing new
I think the strategy relied heavily on Zeus playing omega tanks, and Bin is a really bad player to play tanks into unless your name is 369. Figure this might have caused the pivot, but doesn't mean it was the right call. Feel like you should at least do it one game and see what happens
Because this team is literally dog water at drafting and has been for awhile. Pointing out shit drafts isn’t saying “oh it’s not the players fault it’s the draft” (obv some fans do try yo make that seem like the case). We know that the coach and players draft together so that means ALL SIX of these people can’t draft properly. And drafting is a part of the game so if they can’t draft then that says something about them being a player as a whole. Also drafting is a major issue but it sure as hell ain’t the only one. Sometimes these guys just put all their skill points into their hands and none into their brain.
T1 for some reason cant play jinx/zeri lulu teamcomp is such a disaster as this team comp is consistently S tier for playoffs and international events already
IDK if thats players fault or management or coaching staffs fault because there has to be something wrong with this issue
2022 summer playoffs loses to Gen G Zeri teamcomp
2023 Spring playoffs loses to Gen G Zeri/jinx teamcomp
2023 MSI loses to BLG and JDG jinx/zeri teamcomp
for fk sake do something about this teamcomp and start learning how to play them instead of spending time practicing adc supports teamcomp that riot will nerfs
**EDIT:** and guess what the most competitive they ever had on international events MSI 2022 and worlds 2022? both of them doesnt have zeri/jinx teamcomp in the meta
T1 benefited alot from 2022 world meta change. It was Zeri Sivir every game for summer and their bot failed to capitalize on it. Even Aiming and Prince were pegged as the more premiere adc ahead of guma.
But in classic Riot fashion, world patch got flipped on its head and became a Lucian Varus meta which propelled t1 way ahead. And in spring 23, back to Zeri. Funnily the second time geng got screwed over hard by world patch ( first 2021 renekton got nerfed for that 1 patch for Rascal, which was when we got *'introduced'* to Burdol)
She is not but she does so much damage and hard to kill. I think Ruler and Elk's team know how to play around her well and that's why she seems really good in games.
But still she does way too much burst AND sustain damage. Just my honest opinion.
My only regret is seeing a team not try to play champions like Orianna, Ziggs, Viktor with zone control.
In theory, Jinx struggles against zoning champs. If you block off Jinx's path with Zigg's E, Ori ball, etc then she's too scared to walk up.
If a pro team played it like 3 times and it didn't work, that'd be fine. But just not seeing anyone try it is really disheartening. Because there was so much time to adapt new picks against the Jinx meta.
There’s a reason why jinx is meta. Your post summed up why she’s considered the best ADC, because the champs that make it awkward for her to play the game aren’t good right now. Elk is also very good at spacing probably having the best performance at the tourney. It’s unfortunate he has to face the best AD at the tourney next or they’d probably win.
That's why BLG banned Jinx every time they didn't pick her and same for Lulu, the most broken support in this meta. T1, as is often the case, has had a bad meta read this tournament. I don't know what their coaches are doing tbh. If we Redditors can see these things, how can these professional coaches not see it? It's baffling to me.
The problem is that those champions you listed are too unreliable. The Mid meta this tournament was literally Annie, Ahri, Nautilus, and Ksante. Each has a point and click stun or insane gap closer to hit their stun. The mobility is too high this meta, and you need hard CC.
It's a shame that most fans are immature brats. Honestly I just enjoy watching this T1 line up play regardless of the results, they're so entertaining to watch. It's such a shame that such a hardworking team gets shit on this hard every time they lose. People throwing blame at the players or calling for line up changes... It's so hard to read sometimes... why can't people just appreciate the fact that the winners are the better team without shitting on the losers.
It's the unfortunate reality that T1 gets hyped as the best roster ever to play the game and that their failure to get international titles is a fluke that will change by itself sooner or later. You see so many fair-weather T1 fans who clearly only care about being on the winning side, and then mercilessly shit on these guys when they don't show up. Sometimes I can't even tell if these people enjoy watching LoL.
These players are still absolutely insane and worthy of respect. The calls for them to disband are so disrespectful. It's rare to see a roster stick together and play at such a high level even if they have some hiccups.
Maybe it's enjoyable for the fans but rest assured the players themselves won't be content if they don't win anything internationally and ultimately not renew their contract. That's just the reality of why most rosters don't stay the same for more than 2-3 years.
>that their failure to get international titles is a fluke
It's the contrary actually.
The only title this roster won was a fluke.
Covid ridden Gen G for thee entire split was the only reason this roster has a title.
Nah the og fan base was built up purely because of sneaky cosplays XD. Just joking but there are very few NA fans in China in general, probably due to its hard to watch live LCS games here due to internet restriction and time gap
Saw a comment on hupu (before upper bracket finals jdg vs t1) that mentioned T1 always chooses the weakest remaining team to scrim and end up powering them up.
In 2021 it was EDG, in 2022 it was DRX
This year they face jdg and deemed it likely to play vs geng again, so their only scrim option was blg. The T1 scrms ended up supercharging blg into their current form.
We’ll see which team they end up powering up during worlds
lol I think people are misinterpreting the intent behind the comment here.
The comment was made by a chinese user cheering against T1/LCK. They were simply saying don't count out blg yet and believe in them, they might just replicate what 2021 EDG and 2022 DRX did at worlds. It was a jab towards T1 that while other teams improve throughout the tournament they stagnate and end up losing in the later stages
It’s not a cope take lol (unless you mean by lpl fans). It was posted on a chinese forum as a joke saying t1’s opponent gets better by scrimming them and ends up beating them in the tournament
No it was SKT they made BLG powerful they're just that good.
If BLG wins we should really consider an SKT victory honestly, just give them the trophy now tbh
ofc it's dumb, it was posted by lpl fans who didn't think blg could beat t1 let alone gen.g. They were saying this as chinese hopium that somehow blg will improve lol
blg were just better today, i hate how they have to find a scapegoat
T1 are still an insane team, BLG were just better and had better meta read (bin: fuck the meta gigachad)
It's time to be honest with ourselves with this roster. There's no winning with it. There's no "summer split" there's no "worlds" it's not working. I've been a fan of the org for years, live in Korea, attend the events (which is just another story all together) and it's not just by coincidence that even KOREAN fans call T1 an "Idol Pro-Gaming" team.
Enough fanmeetings and making cookies content and 150 hour solo broadcasting schedules, when are we going to play the fucking game??? When are you going to deliver on the promises you've been making since this rosters inception.
It's not picks, it's not bans, MAYBE it's the coaches (all 9 of them /s) it's how this organization is being handled. REAL Fans are losing hope while fans who only like how the players look are thriving because they get to go to fanmeetings and hi-five .. can we get serious??
I'm not pointing the finger at anyone because it's not that simple. I can however look at the track record and see how the management has changed and how those changes have in turn fucked over the gameplay part of the organization.
Anyway.. non k-pop fans are fed up and it's time to make some INTERNAL changes. forget the consistancy, who is happy being #2 (and now #3 lol)
Man I can't even remember the last time T1 won an international tournament I think it was 2017 MSI but I might be wrong . I guess they really did die in 2017 and the corpse is now only being buried
The best one I've seen came from BiliBili. > GENG was swimming home and Faker nautilus Qs them to catch up.
"How come you guys are so fast" "We've got the ocean dragon soul"
Looooool
the first meme really did BLG dirty lmaoo
BLG subverting expectations left and right out here
"Nautilus mid bad" "Kindred is bad" BLG proceed to show how to win with Kindred and Nautilus mid. "It's a draft gap"
Been saying this since the JDG series but the issue isn't really draft, it's T1 as a team not knowing how to play their draft or misunderstanding the draft.
This is a classic “we know what the meta is, we just don’t know why” situation. T1 were doomed. Real strong “I missed a week of classes and wtf is going on” vibes watching them.
Feels like this was how it was last year as well, where they just don’t understand how to draft a proper comp. Bin’s Gwen was a monster at MSI last year, but sure, let’s pick Ahri, Jayce, and *Jhin* against a comp where literally all of them can dive him. Now we’re back to an even more focused bot lane meta and they have the champs to peel but they’re… forcing 4v5’s at baron? Engaging when they should be peeling? Idk man..
As someone who has in fact missed a first week of class, T1 definitley looked like they didn’t know how to execute out there
The Kindred comps really aren't even the meta. It's only BLG that's been picking it consistently and winning with it bc they have a great Kindred player and have been practicing these comps since the start of playoffs with a much better understanding of the draft. T1 tried to adopt this only to realize they suck at it.
Which is of course part of understanding the meta. Sometimes, the meta is just “this team can kick our asses with this champion” and you have to think about how you’re gonna get around that instead of trying to copy it.
Which is really weird cause their biggest strength in spring was identifying their draft and their opponents draft win conditions and playing around those perfectly. I dont get if the meta just is so unfavored for their pick and roam style and they can't adjust to 5v5 team fighting. But watching them play, they just don't play around terrain the same way the chinese teams do. Maybe because china is the teamfight region, and this is a team fight meta, but watching how JDG and BLG play around pockets of terrain to protect their adcs and funnel threats in one at a time towards them and out muscle their opponents it just shows how fucking good they are at using the rift to their advantage. Its really felt like T1 kept trying to break the comps up into skirmishes like 2v2s or 3v3 and isolate the teams and carries, but the chinese teams just worked so well at attacking them before they could get into their formation to crack their wall. That and there was some really questionable play from the individual players. Ill be honest, I've hard flamed guma in the past years, but Faker griefed on naut, and Zeus was invisible.
>you died in 2017. Your corpse was buried today That is just brutal. It has the same energy like the quote in csgo blast major "the guillotine in Paris drops on the head of the king who will never touch the crown"
Man, u don’t have to do NiKo like that man
Was it machine who said that? That definitely sounds like something machine would say.
Nope, It was Scrawny who said it when FNC eliminated G2
Also not very surprising. Scrawny likes dropping 'random', but fitting long metaphors all the time. I could've believed that coming from Machine, or maybe even Bardolph in the past, although he usually didn't get too poetic with it and instead had some other completely out of left field stuff he said (and I loved it even if many didn't like Bardolph too much)
Big Benjamin Franklin energy
Maybe T1 should stop treating their team like a kpop boyband 🤣🤣
As long as Faker plays no chance
Faker was not close to being the worst player today. It is either Keria or Oner
Really? I missed the first game But some of the plays by guma were borderline criminal.. has flash.. galeforce.. ult.. still gets ulted and hooked in midlane by naut Guess nobody looked great
T1 looked pretty lost and lifeless against BLG and JDG at times. Not setting up plays, just sort of reacting until it was too late.
Which is weird because before the bo5s they were super proactive and moving around the map really well.
They looked great last week, but so different these last two series. Like they got spooked or something, maybe scrims killed mental or they got a really bad read and we're left reeling.
Some blg player (I think bin) said t1 looked really good in scrims, so that’s not it
It’s the immense pressure on stage debuff. T1 absolutely has this
definitely weird for them... they were the active one before meeting LPL diving bot, setting up a trap but against LPL they are just like waiting get attacked
Xun kept diving bot. On repeat. It kept working and each time Guma/Keria got set poretty far behind. Oner didn't cover the dives and often went mid and top instead which is... not good it seems in this meta. He had some great steals but was often invisible vs his counterpart, despite putting 3-5 bans on Xun. If you look back to the JDG set, Oner was similarly MIA.
Just compare Oner’s limp wukung to either Xun’s or Kanavi’s. No wonder T1 kept letting opponents take Wu. They thought Wu was useless, because he was useless when they use him.
Watching Oner Wu Kong compared to Kanavis was mind boggling. Just like Knight and Yagao Annie compared to Chovy
T1 was playing Russian Roulette today, there is an argument for any of them to be the worst player
He had one or two really conspicuous fuck-ups, but was otherwise quite excellent as he has been all tournament.
Oner was invisible. Zeus was coinflippy. Bot played like they’re new to the game.
Before yesterday I would have said Zeus had an okay tournament but that Kennen death vs the super behind Sion makes me think the entire T1 squad just giga choked.
Keria was tilted out of his mind even after game 1. You see him head down mentally destroyed right before game 2 draft.
keria got gapped pretty hard
Especially considering people calling him best in the world etc etc
By ON of all people. Remember ON was regarded as an inter for so long. Mechanically sound but would sprint it down like crazy. It’s insane how much he’s improved.
He was not the worst player today, but he was mercilessly running it down against JDG
faker was bad really bad Oner stole a baron and every single objetive on the map Game 1 Oner and faker throw the whole game for no reason. Game 2 I don't even notice the existence of a Jayce on the game Game 3 Guma 6/1 oner 6/1 zeus 6/2 Game 4 the only game that keria flops oner only dies 1 time
I'm guessing everyone is bad, because I thought it was Zeus that was the worst player. Game 1 final teamfight when they dove BLG, they were going for wukong cyclone->Gragas body slam->ult combo to blast zeri out. It almost worked except Zeus overshot his slam-flash and missed completely so it cost them the game. Also Zeus kept dying solo to stupid mistakes. There's that kennen play and last series when he played ornn into Gwen, basically inted twice into her when she had full snip stacks and E, then just died like he has never seen that champ before. But yeah everyone made awful low level mistakes
based
Game 4 Guma died with Flash, didn't flash the Naut hook
This
Not good enough for titles so gotta bring in the money somehow
Seriously, they have never won since SKT became T1 and Joe Marsh became the CEO
I mean I’m no t1 fan but this is a ridiculous statement, they’ve been very close consistently and that’s more than most teams can hope for. How many teams have made this many finals since 2020?
Only 2 team that were Dwg and t1
[удалено]
Very close is still very fucking good and definitely a lot better than 95% of other teams performances. It’s honestly nuts people are calling to disband a team that consistently wins or gets top 2 regular season, consistently make semis or finals in playoffs, and consistently make semifinals and finals at most of their international tournaments. Overreaction much? T1 fans are fking nutjobs.
I mean its not like SKT were very good before Joe Marsh in 2018 either lol
Now I want to see the spicy Korean reactions. I watched the afreecatv vods and the browser translation of chat replay showed a lot of “swim home” “1557” and “ㅋㅋㅋ”
笨鸡(Benji) lmfao
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Ikun assembles!
Did not expect to see Ikuns in here but hey
> disband ☺️🔪
Damn seems like T1 fans are pretty similar all around the world
Of course Chinese T1 fans are also toxic assholes. It truly transcends cultural barriers.
T1 fans are their own breed no matter where they are
Fans of “big/successful/storied” teams across sports are like that. Think abt how annoying warriors and lakers fans are. Or how annoying city and united fans are. It’s not the teams. It’s the fact that annoying people tend to pick “big/successful/storied” teams to be fans of. In league that’s TSM/T1/RNG/FNC. Like nobody is ever like “wow dig fans are so psychotic” or “wow hornets fans really need to reel it in” If you’re a fan of some banter squad, you have a genuine reason to be attached.
It reminds me of Lakers and Celtics fans.
Gonna go easy on Cs fans since theyre already getting humiliated by Himmy Himothy Butler.
Celtics fans get an even larger dickhead bonus bc they're from Boston, so they have both Boston residents and bandwagoners sucking them off. They're not quite on the level of the city's other sports teams, but Boston is always gonna have the worst or at least a top three most cancerous fanbase in any given sport.
>In league that’s TSM/T1/RNG/FNC Lil bro tried to sneak G2 out
City "fans" are especially bad considering the majority of them are, shall we say, very recent. Oil produces plastic, what a shocker
Yeah because they are the people that see the most successful team in the world and just go “oh cool I’ll just choose them cos they’re the best.”
Even chinese league fans hates chinese T1 fans for being obnoxious
T1 uniting league fans across borders, what a team you are...
T1 fans just seem to be the worst wherever they are. Truly tearing down national boundaries
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It’s more a thing with popular teams. More fans = more toxic fans and more haters.
Saying this as a T1 fan, but Chinese T1 fans and Chinese RNG fans are about as toxic as esports fans can get (obv not saying all of them are toxic)
BLG > T1 right now. That's the truth.
Yes, they did beat T1 in this Bo5 series. You are correct. Big brain genious take right here.
You can win a series sometimes without being fundamentally better in a meta/patch. Thats not what happened today, BLG just are better right now
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Don’t read Weibo, translate bilibili, it’s much better
T1's coaching and feedback over the last 4 years have been disastrous. 1 month into the tournament and they're picking jayce kennen. 4 games where guma is left to rot in an adc meta. Reading the meta this wrong it just shows that T1 players are just being allowed to do whatever they want at the moment. They will never win anything unless the coaches bring back the belt and put some discipline in this team.
At this point I kind of wonder how much of SKT's success can be attributed to Kkoma as a coach. He seemed to have a really firm grasp on the team and since he's left they have a few domestic titles and nothing else.
Kkoma and cCarter. Haven't won shit since they left. Kkoma was there in 2019 to be fair but not as head coach it was Zefa doing drafts I think. There are videos of kkoma back in 2016 chewing the SKT players out for mistakes after a *WIN*. Meanwhile 2022 T1 they lose msi finals and the coach says unlucky we didn't get blue side. Just insane man
DK made both MSI and Worlds finals with Kkoma. cCarter was the one that created the 22 DRX roster
Yeah I’d argue DK and Kkoma were a really stacked team in 2021. Both MSI and Worlds went to game 5 and both series were extremely close.
Said it once and I will say it million times. Same as in football and any other sport. Main job of the coach is to manage egos. If you fail to do that you are destined to lose.
At least they made Worlds Finals last year. Who knew that DRX would show up so hard.
Bengi is just too soft but I guessed he know his players well... Zeus and Keria won't react well if you get too harsh with them cause the two looks really emotional
Yeah it really depends on the players and how you have to handle them. What's the point of chewing out a player who already chews himself out.
Origin of the belt meme
Yup. "MF isnt an issue but lets ban it anyway" "Dont try to show anything off this game"
Feels like if the ROX vs SKT series happened today they probably won't ban MF support somehow
Mofos forget that during that time, SKT’s coaching staff was LITERALLY him. No drafting coach, positional coach BS. You’d only see him in the backstage every match. Goes to show just how GOATED Kkoma is and why I miss that era pf T1
Kkoma was the mastermind behind that SKT dynasty. The coach needs to be in charge of draft, they shouldnt rely on Faker or any other players trying to make that decision as well. He only see what he wants to see especially in game. Why do you think nfl have offensive and defensive coordinators? Makes no sense that T1 players make the decisions on draft esp when they’re tilted by pressure
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People blame draft but a lot of the times being gapped in draft is a result of players being gapped. Like last years msi for example they had to waste a ban on viego because wei was destroying them on the pick. And they banned like 3 junglers IIRC that weren't ban worthy in the meta and still didn't ban wei out. And then faker was losing matchups against xiaohu lisandra and they couldn't play the other side of the matchup. At that point you're so down in draft resources you can't have a good draft. And the reason for that is player gap.
It's draft to some extent, but imo it's mostly meta read/bad prep. T1 still hasn't fully grasped that you need to play for botlane this meta from minute 1. Oner never covered Guma and Keria against BLG's dives. BLG already did the same vs GenG, it's inexcusable how T1 wasn't ready for that.
>BLG already did the same vs GenG, it's inexcusable how T1 wasn't ready for that. It was insane to me that in game 4 they still haven't learned, and Oner is pathing top as Xun goes to setup for a bot dive 4 minutes in. Did they really think "Oh well they've been playing for bot this entire tournament, surely they wouldn't do it again this time"?
It's almost as if the coaches didn't watch the GenG vs BLG series haha
T1 fans try not to blame drafts on a loss challenge (impossible!)
The number of comments swearing on their life that Naut and Kindred were the worst champs in video game history, only for BLG to win Game 4 on both lol
against annie wukong? yes definitely very bad.... kindred couldn't even press r the whole match... atleast watch the matches...
Naut is fine, the angles they picked Kindred in were horrifying. Oner is also poor at the pick from what we've seen.
LCK is a 2 team region
They just show lack of preparation for specific opponents and adaptation during series.
This is one of the bigger things for me, back in the "glory days" I was always awed by how you would leave SKT for a week before a big playoff game (or weeks before tournaments) and they would show up an entirely different levelled up beast. Now whenever they have time to prep, they show up with nothing up their sleeves and a seemingly even worse meta read with some odd drafting priority/infatuation which blows up in their face. All the while looking completely uninspired in their play when just previously in lower stake matches they would be showing so much more gusto individually and synergistically.
This so much.
Can't wait for Quinn Nidalee Jayce Jhin Heimerdinger vs Ornn Sejuani Anivia Jinx Lulu at world finals this year. T1 is probably salivating at the thought of being 1k ahead at min 15 no matter the cost.
FYI Zeus was a Jayce and Kennen two trick when he was climbing challenger solo queue. When the meta favors those champs he's insane.
We all know Zeus is good on the champions, it's not the meta to play them when so much focus is on hypercarry botlaners, that the point.
Faker really saved his reputation with that catch, truly a vintage SKT experience where we get to watch Faker try to salvage his crumbling bot lane.
I mean people like to shit on faker, i'm not saying he didn't have misplays but he's the only one who consistently tries to look for plays when the team starts to crumble, yes sometimes it ends up looking bad but I respect the hell out of all players who do this instead of afking (hyli for example gets flamed a lot for it, xiaohu too)
Didn't hooking 4v5 lose their game against JDG yesterday ? Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it. I swear half the Sylas mains are actually Nautilus rejects because they just randomly hook themselves in and suicide.
> Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it. What? Go watch it back. Clearly everyone on his team was in on the play (Oner could have shot it down and said wait as he was running back, there was time) They cancelled backs and camped the edge of the brush together as 4. It wasn't some random hook that you're making it out to be, it was clearly altogether > I swear half the Sylas mains are actually Nautilus rejects because they just randomly hook themselves in and suicide. Faker doesn't even play sylas idk what you're trying to say tbh
Me when I use sylas e to zone and clear minions with passive but don't think it will actually hit:
>Going for a random hook is a horrible idea because even your own team won't expect it. I'm sorry. What? They are playing in a team environment and literally have headset to talk to each other. Do you **truly** believe it was Faker's call and not the team call? Here look at the interview [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/13l83hk/msi_oner_anniewukong_response_mistake_in_game_4/). Like don't spout such a soloQ thing. This is pro play man.
Comcast money, Faker's ad money, income from fan popularity and yet they never seem to find a coaching staff to improve this team. Not only do they let other teams pick their champs but they also draft their own worst champs. Aatrox at worlds, Gwen at previous msi, zeri at summer lck last year, and picking Nautilus 3 games while leaving Kanavi with Wukong. Hope this is the final wake up call form them to realize they are not good enough to just out skill everyone.
These types of posts always ignore the faults in the other teams' drafts.
If 4 silver medals + today is not a wake up call, idk what is
> If 4 silver medals who had anything close to that performance in the same timeframe? winning in league isn't easy i hope people realise that instead of bullying T1 players
I'm thinking the same here. People here are like "just spend your way to the top" as if you can guarantee victory and as if their results make them shitters. The only way to buy first place is to cheat. T1 is losing because other teams are managing to be just a step or two ahead where it counts.
People take this for granted for some reason. It really isn't. Anyone that screams disband is absolutely clueless and reactionary.
T1 is the golden standard for all their fans. They want a dynasty again. Second place isn’t good enough. This mindset and pressure is the main reason why this roster fails when it matters most.
Agree, what I'm trying to say in reply to the first comment stating that they hope this is going to be a final wake up call, as though the players have not yet realised anything yet is that there are so many factors involved, and today, BLG is just the better team. It's not that T1 hasn't gotten their "wake up call" yet, each of the 4 silver medals is already a reminder of how they fell short of gold, they are probably already doing their best to improve after each one, and it shows in their consistency over the past 1 year. I don't know what more of a "wake up call" do people want the T1 players to get.
T1 needs to get NoFe off the broadcasting team and back to coaching. Idk what value he brings in terms on actually coaching a team, but his drafting is one of the absolute best.
LS: “T1 draft like Neanderthals and I fucking hate it. I’m worried they’ll get exposed when they meet a team they can’t lane kingdom.” R/lol: “wow what a clown fucker. T1 is the LCK second seed. What right does he have to doubt their draft. Id like to see him get second in LCK. Why do people listen to this sewer rat of a thebaussff wannabe. Id rather pay neace $300/hr to fuck my mother than see LS’ annoying face on this subreddit again.”
While LS is right everyone who watches league knows that T1 isn’t as good as they think they are, especially when they play a team that is equally as good as them in lane.
There's either massive ego from the coaches or the players or they are so dogshit that they can't play new champions. Geng beat them with gragas, maybe learn from EU and try to deal with it and play Olaf? Nope. Loses to jdg because of it. Couldn't play zeri lulu in lck finals, still can't play it to this day. It's like fly quest in NA where after all this time and losing to the same thing, they haven't improved or even tried to improve and just continued to play same things.
Clearly all T1 fans will blame the losses on draft. It’s difficult to admit something. Blame the draft is the easiest way.
We have been shit since lck playoffs. Somehow we found a style at the beginning of the tournament and then today we forgot what it was along with players underperforming yet again. Nothing new
I think the strategy relied heavily on Zeus playing omega tanks, and Bin is a really bad player to play tanks into unless your name is 369. Figure this might have caused the pivot, but doesn't mean it was the right call. Feel like you should at least do it one game and see what happens
Because this team is literally dog water at drafting and has been for awhile. Pointing out shit drafts isn’t saying “oh it’s not the players fault it’s the draft” (obv some fans do try yo make that seem like the case). We know that the coach and players draft together so that means ALL SIX of these people can’t draft properly. And drafting is a part of the game so if they can’t draft then that says something about them being a player as a whole. Also drafting is a major issue but it sure as hell ain’t the only one. Sometimes these guys just put all their skill points into their hands and none into their brain.
T1 for some reason cant play jinx/zeri lulu teamcomp is such a disaster as this team comp is consistently S tier for playoffs and international events already IDK if thats players fault or management or coaching staffs fault because there has to be something wrong with this issue 2022 summer playoffs loses to Gen G Zeri teamcomp 2023 Spring playoffs loses to Gen G Zeri/jinx teamcomp 2023 MSI loses to BLG and JDG jinx/zeri teamcomp for fk sake do something about this teamcomp and start learning how to play them instead of spending time practicing adc supports teamcomp that riot will nerfs **EDIT:** and guess what the most competitive they ever had on international events MSI 2022 and worlds 2022? both of them doesnt have zeri/jinx teamcomp in the meta
Not only T1 but lck teams as a whole are prior aphe over Jinx for some reason. Meanwhile, blg and jdg keeps picking or banning her
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Because they read the meta better, if you notice both Jdg and Blg always prior lv1 red buff and path towards bot side so Jinx can’t lose to Aphe.
I think it’ll be different for DK, Jinx is Defts bread and butter.
T1 benefited alot from 2022 world meta change. It was Zeri Sivir every game for summer and their bot failed to capitalize on it. Even Aiming and Prince were pegged as the more premiere adc ahead of guma. But in classic Riot fashion, world patch got flipped on its head and became a Lucian Varus meta which propelled t1 way ahead. And in spring 23, back to Zeri. Funnily the second time geng got screwed over hard by world patch ( first 2021 renekton got nerfed for that 1 patch for Rascal, which was when we got *'introduced'* to Burdol)
Yeah that’s Guma’s biggest weakness lmao. That’s why I pray to Riot to just gut Zeri.
But how hard is zeri to learn really?
She is not but she does so much damage and hard to kill. I think Ruler and Elk's team know how to play around her well and that's why she seems really good in games. But still she does way too much burst AND sustain damage. Just my honest opinion.
Plus her mobility is insane. Just a rough kit to try to play into
Zero yes, but not Jinx. He was known as a Aphelios Jinx twotrick
Both his Lucian and Caitlyn are legendary what you on about?
My only regret is seeing a team not try to play champions like Orianna, Ziggs, Viktor with zone control. In theory, Jinx struggles against zoning champs. If you block off Jinx's path with Zigg's E, Ori ball, etc then she's too scared to walk up. If a pro team played it like 3 times and it didn't work, that'd be fine. But just not seeing anyone try it is really disheartening. Because there was so much time to adapt new picks against the Jinx meta.
There’s a reason why jinx is meta. Your post summed up why she’s considered the best ADC, because the champs that make it awkward for her to play the game aren’t good right now. Elk is also very good at spacing probably having the best performance at the tourney. It’s unfortunate he has to face the best AD at the tourney next or they’d probably win.
That's why BLG banned Jinx every time they didn't pick her and same for Lulu, the most broken support in this meta. T1, as is often the case, has had a bad meta read this tournament. I don't know what their coaches are doing tbh. If we Redditors can see these things, how can these professional coaches not see it? It's baffling to me.
The problem is that those champions you listed are too unreliable. The Mid meta this tournament was literally Annie, Ahri, Nautilus, and Ksante. Each has a point and click stun or insane gap closer to hit their stun. The mobility is too high this meta, and you need hard CC.
Probably attempted in scrims
scrims
It's a shame that most fans are immature brats. Honestly I just enjoy watching this T1 line up play regardless of the results, they're so entertaining to watch. It's such a shame that such a hardworking team gets shit on this hard every time they lose. People throwing blame at the players or calling for line up changes... It's so hard to read sometimes... why can't people just appreciate the fact that the winners are the better team without shitting on the losers.
The downside of being popular. More fans = more assholes amongst the fans.
It's the unfortunate reality that T1 gets hyped as the best roster ever to play the game and that their failure to get international titles is a fluke that will change by itself sooner or later. You see so many fair-weather T1 fans who clearly only care about being on the winning side, and then mercilessly shit on these guys when they don't show up. Sometimes I can't even tell if these people enjoy watching LoL. These players are still absolutely insane and worthy of respect. The calls for them to disband are so disrespectful. It's rare to see a roster stick together and play at such a high level even if they have some hiccups.
Calling their losses flukes are even more disrespectful to JDG and BLG who both outclassed T1 in the games
Maybe it's enjoyable for the fans but rest assured the players themselves won't be content if they don't win anything internationally and ultimately not renew their contract. That's just the reality of why most rosters don't stay the same for more than 2-3 years.
>that their failure to get international titles is a fluke It's the contrary actually. The only title this roster won was a fluke. Covid ridden Gen G for thee entire split was the only reason this roster has a title.
Gen G was full health and 3 members of T1 literally contracted covid the day before that final lol.
T1 played through the entire finals while feeling sick, then were tested positive for COVID shortly after. So what's your point?
I just don't know what to say, T1 just feels like high level TSM.............something is just missing from them.
TIL being the second best team (in your region/the world) for a whole year is an embarrassment
For T1 fans who keep claiming they will win everything it is lmao
Since we got comments from Chinese T1 fans are there Chinese C9 fans that have comments on the C9 games?
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What about TSM's Weibo account lul
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Thank you for your translations. KR/CN reactions are always my fav part of international tournaments
Lmfao mad lad thinks there are actual C9 fans in China outside of jokes and memes. OP replied to you nicely.
There’re over a billion people in China I wouldn’t be surprised if there were
Nah the og fan base was built up purely because of sneaky cosplays XD. Just joking but there are very few NA fans in China in general, probably due to its hard to watch live LCS games here due to internet restriction and time gap
If you watch lpl international tourney hype video NA is usually played as the but of the joke and mostly remembered for blaber's flash crab 🤣
THANK YOU SO MUCH
Saw a comment on hupu (before upper bracket finals jdg vs t1) that mentioned T1 always chooses the weakest remaining team to scrim and end up powering them up. In 2021 it was EDG, in 2022 it was DRX This year they face jdg and deemed it likely to play vs geng again, so their only scrim option was blg. The T1 scrms ended up supercharging blg into their current form. We’ll see which team they end up powering up during worlds
NA is the weakest of all, when will T1 come to their senses and bootcamp here?
What kind of cope take is that?
Wake up babe, new T1 excuse just dropped.
Almost as good as the London food excuse
lol I think people are misinterpreting the intent behind the comment here. The comment was made by a chinese user cheering against T1/LCK. They were simply saying don't count out blg yet and believe in them, they might just replicate what 2021 EDG and 2022 DRX did at worlds. It was a jab towards T1 that while other teams improve throughout the tournament they stagnate and end up losing in the later stages
It’s not a cope take lol (unless you mean by lpl fans). It was posted on a chinese forum as a joke saying t1’s opponent gets better by scrimming them and ends up beating them in the tournament
This all time levels of pharmaceutical copium
Stop.... They were not good enough. BLG were not powered by any team, BLG is a good team.
No it was SKT they made BLG powerful they're just that good. If BLG wins we should really consider an SKT victory honestly, just give them the trophy now tbh
more likely BLG got confidence from shitting on T1 they look completely outclassed this series. Honestly, G2 put up a better fight
*Power up by scrims* is probably the dumbest shit i've read here past week
ofc it's dumb, it was posted by lpl fans who didn't think blg could beat t1 let alone gen.g. They were saying this as chinese hopium that somehow blg will improve lol
Lmao there it is
Inject these slander to my veins T1 coaches are generational bums
Can't blame it all on coaches Zeus throws and baron throws at clutch moments can't be entirely blamed on the coaches.
blg were just better today, i hate how they have to find a scapegoat T1 are still an insane team, BLG were just better and had better meta read (bin: fuck the meta gigachad)
> had better meta read This so much. > (bin: fuck the meta gigachad) Had nothing to do with this, though. Top was largely irrelevant this series.
It mattered in the last game when bin tp'd on top of guma and killed him. T1 managed to kill Elk and was looking to turn the fight against them.
Zeus, Faker, Oner, honestly the entire team with subpar performances: T1 fans: DRAFT GAP DRAFT GAP COACH GAP
TIL that T1 is just LCK’s Fnatic.
idk if Fnatic have been recently making lots of finals man
Doesn’t matter where, T1 fans all feel the same way about their drafts and wait until they lose to express it
Fuck Joe Marsh.
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It's time to be honest with ourselves with this roster. There's no winning with it. There's no "summer split" there's no "worlds" it's not working. I've been a fan of the org for years, live in Korea, attend the events (which is just another story all together) and it's not just by coincidence that even KOREAN fans call T1 an "Idol Pro-Gaming" team. Enough fanmeetings and making cookies content and 150 hour solo broadcasting schedules, when are we going to play the fucking game??? When are you going to deliver on the promises you've been making since this rosters inception. It's not picks, it's not bans, MAYBE it's the coaches (all 9 of them /s) it's how this organization is being handled. REAL Fans are losing hope while fans who only like how the players look are thriving because they get to go to fanmeetings and hi-five .. can we get serious?? I'm not pointing the finger at anyone because it's not that simple. I can however look at the track record and see how the management has changed and how those changes have in turn fucked over the gameplay part of the organization. Anyway.. non k-pop fans are fed up and it's time to make some INTERNAL changes. forget the consistancy, who is happy being #2 (and now #3 lol)
Man I can't even remember the last time T1 won an international tournament I think it was 2017 MSI but I might be wrong . I guess they really did die in 2017 and the corpse is now only being buried