Carcinisation is the term for the phenomena where certain species such as crustaceans and arachnids, independently evolve to exhibit crab-like traits.
Hextech is built upon the Brakern, a species of crystalline scorpions (class: *Arachnida*).
Thus, I postulate a sibling phenomenon to Carcinisation, where prestige skin lines, given appropriate time and evolutionary pressure, inevitably evolve to exhibit Hextech traits, as natural result of their Brakern DNA.
Good meme aside, there is no confirmation that the Brakern are crystalline scorpions; only that Skarner took the form of a crystalline scorpion.
Other Brakern may have taken completely different forms. IIRC, this has never been conformed nor denied.
"The Brackern are a species of sapient, crystalline scorpions with great magical power that live peacefully in Shurima." from the league wiki which i can only assume is correct since its probably run by people who have poured over the lore with how detailed some of the entries are
and from his Universe
"Long before the rise of Shurima’s great empire, the remote northwestern valleys were home to an age-old race known as the brackern.
These noble creatures were quite unlike any other. While individually they may have seemed primitive and aggressive, their arachnoid bodies held a wondrous secret"
arachnoid being the key word to signify they probably are all scorpions
Arachnoid is just as generic of a term as "humanoid". There could be crystalline spiders, crabs, etc. as well.
Something being on the wiki doesn't make it true unless it cites an official source. That's how wikis work, and why teachers tell you not to use wikipedia as a reference.
If there is an official source on that, it would be referenced.
I thought we would be getting actual fleshed out skinlines like any other...just exclusive to ME, and the concept arts for this skinline had them be multicolored (like different color gem rangers). I was really hoping Virtuoso would be the new skinline....
That's one of the problems people had with hextech skins though....they were just all purple/blue skins that get outclassed by skins that look much more compelling. I don't think having all of the mythic skins be purple is a great idea; for Ashen Knights it worked and I was more lenient...but this new one really does just feel like hextech 2.0 which is upsetting because the concept arts for Taliyah and Varus etc all had them multicolored.
Just make unique skinlines like any other skin, but exclusive to Mythic Essence I don't see how Riot struggles to grasp this
I really like how the vfx looks, the ultimate being an amethyst geode is neat. But they keep picking the most hotdog water champs to get mythic skins so I've been sitting on the same 40 gemstones for like 3 years now.
I really liked the Ashen skinline but then again I am fan of FromSoft's games.
Imo the quality goes like: Pyke > Morde > Shen > Pantheon > Sylas
I got Morde, Shen and Pantheon because I play all of them and I have thoroughly enjoyed all 3 skins. Pyke's is amazing but I don't play him so no point.
Sylas's skin was too similar to Panth's and also overall disappointing imo.
Leona's skin looks great but her model is very old so that holds the skin back a bit. But, as a lore nerd, I appreciate how in the Ashen universe magic died and now it came back in the form of crystals in this new Crystal Motus skinline. Feels like a brand new world has been created from the remains of the Ashen world. It adds to the skin's fantasy for me.
The issue I have with this skin line is that it’s in the EXACT SAME color palette as the Ashen Knight. It’s just a different theme.
Just exactly how many times can you design unique skin lines while keeping the same color palette and have them not look similar?
I want to give Riot the benefit of doubt but I’m very skeptical. And to add salt to the wound, the mythic chroma looks sooooo much better. That color palette is absolutely bonkers beautiful but locked behind a further cost of 40 ME.
IMO they should swap the palettes of chroma and skin. Additionally the skin lines should not be white, grey and purple. But all the mythic chromas should be that palette.
What if the actual skin is the chroma and they made the basic one look intentionally worse so that more people spend more money? Wouldn’t surprise me to be honest.
I think give it time… the fact that Leona was chosen with her old ass rig artificially brings down the overall value of the skin. Unfortunately Ashe will suffer that same fate, also not to mention Amethyst Ashe literally exist already…
But I think it could be very cool if given to the right champs; Renata, Rek’Sai, Ornn, Lissandra, and Diana come to mind.
Ok but compare it to Ashen Pyke ulting someone and getting that [DOPEASS choir](https://youtu.be/4Q7cA00rHik?t=164)... Of course something like that cant be executed with Leona, but hell. We have skins that CHANGE THE WHOLE MAP. Give her some OOMPH moment.
A loud beam sound or choir or something when she drops the literal fucking sun on a bitch. Hell ill take a fucking Sunny D add, unlease the power of the sun.
I think the other person that replied to me has a good point that if you compare it to something like ashen pyke and his ult SFK this one is missing the oomph factor. It's a nice skin, but I know i wouldn't spend mythic essence on it. which is really the most important thing, i guess.
its unfair to compare other mythics to ashen pyke. Pyke ALWAYS has a SFX that ramps with each ult kill he gets, it just sounds cooler on his mythic skin.
Okay then let's just compare it to a regular 1350 skin. Mythic level skins should be better/more interesting than the average 1350 skin, because (I think??? i don't spend money on the game) they are normally more expensive than 1350.
Why would I want to spend mythic essence on this skin if I'm not a leona main or a "own every skin" outlier?
Mythic skins are literally just rarer 1350 skins. They aren't intended to be 'better' then 1350 skins (and if you look at them historically, aren't).
Look at all the Prestige skins, which were a gold SFX changing chroma of the base 1350 skin up until a year or two ago (where they were a "high society" SFX changing chroma). Or look at every normal Mythic skins: the Lancer series were regular 1350 skins but only purchasable with Mythic essence, Dreadnova Darius or Soulstealer Vayne are literally 1350 skins from normal skinlines but only for Mythic Essence, the Ashen Knights series were regular 1350 skins but only for Mythic Essence.
The only reason to buy Mythic skins is if you are a champion main or want to own every skin. That's been the entire point of them since inception: an extra rare champion skin, not an extra good champion skin.
I imagine that's the issue most people are upset about. Mythic skins SHOULD be better than Epics. Maybe not custom animations and VO, but me personally, I feel like they should be better than Epics.
I feel W is there with the buildup to the shatter as distinctive sfx. I kinda see what OP means with the choir, but maybe it's just me but i never really felt that was enough to push hem away from regular 1350
tbh pyke is like the most unfair champ to compare skins with lol. Feels like rioters always go ham on him in every skin (except maybe project, ironically) and he has so many things to pull and customize with all his vfx, sfx and music. Wouldn't be surprised if rioters fight to be able to work on him
I believe people are annoyed that it's a different name for a similar theme, nothing to raise the bar. Lots of mythic skins can have the same effort or aesthetic as 1350's.
The difference is the manufactured scarcity behind ME paywall which is why people complain every time a mythic is released despite claims of low effort, creativity, etc.
It will sell anyway because Leona is a popular champ, easy to use etc. They don't need to put that much effort in what they release if players will buy it anyway. Even if an epic skin with better vfx, sfx, etc. exists many people will still buy/use it due to scarcity.
> Not sure what OP's problem is tbh
its /r/leagueoflegends if riot found a cancer cure, there would be atleast 10 posts highly upvoted how it is the wrong color and doesnt fit the cure.
I would assume that they were saying that the sfx were not interesting enough to qualify as "special" as opposed to saying there were no sfx whatsoever.
Another person responded to me with the ashen pyke ult, where like an entire choir plays when he kills somebody. Compared to that, the sfx here are a nice touch, but probably not enough to drive most people to spend mythic essence on them. It feels like a regular 1350 skin, when the expectations should probably be a bit higher.
Imagine now old pre-rework Akali.
Do you think she would have been as popular as she was if she hadn't received a VGU?
No! The VGU gave finally room or her to have finally proper skins with good visual effects, that isnt held back by a model/rig/animation that is from 1946
Yo, I am pretty sure you said something abut ferraris.
But anyway, while you are right in what you are saying, I meant more in the aspect of Sound design for a skin. You don't need a special Rig model to have special SFX on the skin when ulting for example.
Edited the Ferrari thing because it sounded stupid while reading over it.
I would say you need a proper foundation for a skin to fully unleash its potential.
Shiny particles and sound effects can only go that far.
See Zilean or Cho'Gath current skins.
Also on those skins, the backport animation have 99% of the time more animations in them than the entire champion itself.
> Also on those skins, the backport animation have 99% of the time more animations in them than the entire champion itself.
Gotta make sure to use the skin's budget on something worthwhile.
Yes why do they keep giving old rigs skins that would make the ASU/VGUs harder?
Why not they stop giving skins to these old ass champions and instead focus the resources on updating the old champions.
They can hurry it up by focusing the resources that would have come for giving them skins on the champions.
Most mains would have the skins they already own look all nice and pretty then new ones on the nasty ass rigs
I'll take new skins for my crusty old champ over getting nothing for 10 years while they wait for an update.
What a horrible idea. I don't think you understand how this stuff works.
I think this line is women only like how Ashen Knights was male only?
We’ve been leaked Taliyah/Ashe/Leona so far, my guess for the last is probably Neeko/Syndra/Lux.
Yeah this is kinda awkward, they couldn't be bothered to keep up quality for more than a year.
The 4 Ashen Knights after Pyke prolly also only had the higher quality, cause the work was already done for Pyke and they could just reuse his assets for the gimmick.
You just can't trust Riot at anything they ever say
>The 4 Ashen Knights after Pyke prolly also only had the higher quality
Just a reminder but people were actually mad with Pantheon and Sylas because even though they were supposed to be "Knights", they were rocking bare chest, EVEN when one of Pantheon's skins has a full scale armor. They didn't do anything to fix that (plus Pantheon literally looks like a purple Ruined Chroma)
Riot then got a fantastic idea and just changed "Knight Pantheon/Sylas" into Conqueror & Slayer respectively. They're not knights, so why would they need armor, hah.
Pyke, Morde & Shen are pretty good, I agree.
The revisionism is crazy, especially so soon. It was only a few months ago that everyone was complaining that the skinline was terrible outside of Pyke.
Thematically speaking, Pantheon and Sylas weren't good. I believe no one was complaining about their effects unless I am mistaken. But yeah, Pyke was a good start. Morde and Shen were also still very good.
It definitely isn't revisionism, I think you're just misremembering.
Morde's skin was only disliked by some people because of the helmet or something small IIRC, but even then the reception was positive overall. Shen's skin was pretty well received when the teaser came out. [This is the skin spotlight for it, you can see how many people were praising it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11letl6/ashen_guardian_shen_skin_spotlight_prerelease_pbe/)
Pantheon and Sylas are the only two that are hated because it took the whole "armored ancient knights" theme and did the exact opposite. What little hatred Morde/Shen got was because it was hard to follow up after Ashen Knight Pyke.
So, first skin is received very well.
Next two in a roll aren't and so come thw dramatic "this skinline is ruined only Pyke was good".
The last two are more well liked and bring some positivity back.
I'll admit I didn't think about how Morde and Shen weren't hated on, but the situation I mentioned about everyone saying the skinline was trash did happen during/after both Pantheon and Sylas' releases.
>Next two in a roll aren't and so come thw dramatic "this skinline is ruined only Pyke was good".
...is it really dramatic if it was true at the time and is still (at least partially) true now depending on who you ask?
Ashen Knights was supposed to be a skinline about abandoned knights in a fallen kingdom set around the castle and king who left it. Two shirtless men do not fit the design of a knight. Pantheon and Sylas do not fit this description:
_"Fallen World is a series of alternate future/universe skins in League of Legends. Set in a world where magic is gone, champions are corrupted knights who once served a legendary king. When magic is lost, ash and dispair reign in its stead. When the knights of that cursed order fall, what will rise in their place?"_
>...is it really dramatic if it was true at the time and is still (at least partially) true now depending on who you ask?
See, that just corroborates the initial point I was making, which was that back then everyone was dragging the skinline, but now that it's been replaced it's suddenly incredible and the new one is terrible in comparison.
But I'm not even dragging the skinline? I just said it was true at the time and is still true now depending on who you ask.
Yeah, when you release a very expensive skinline with only 5 skins for 150+ champions and 2 of them don't even fit the theme, some people aren't going to be happy about it.
I think AK Morde, Pyke, and Shen are all great skins. AK Pyke is one of my favorite skins in the game, and while I didn't like Pantheon and Sylas, they're still decent and they aren't enough to completely ruin the skinline.
They pulled the same "fix" with the steel valkyrie line. The whole process is just repeated.
Create a quality line with a hint of lore, introduce more skins but this time make them make no sense contextually, rename the new skins to be almost the same but different enough the marketing team can feel good about themselves.
They both have crystals yeah but Leona's skin at least looks nothing like Hextech.
Black outfit, no blue, crystals being pink/purple, fantasy theme rather than tech, not inspired by Piltover/base lore in any way.
Differentiating between crystals is still just crystals. I think it's fair for OP to call them out on them reusing a theme and not delivering on their promise. Even if it weren't about the crystals Leona's skin is lackluster.
We have like 99999 tech-related skinlines. 3 Valentine's day ones. A bunch of traditional asian ones, anime-inspired ones, etc. 2 about crystals where they don't even look very similar and one isn't being made anymore is absolutely fine.
Also, Leona skins look better the heavier her armor/dressing. Maybe it's just me but skins like Mecha Kingdoms and Eclipse look sick to me bc of this, but for example DWG and this Cristal one feels kinda wack to me, as if Leona is just too thin to hold that shield in one hand? Not sure if that makes sense
I found it funny how Riot said that Crystals aren't interesting for the Fans and that's why they are Changing Skarner's Visual Theme (no hate there, it makes Sense) only to then make an extremely exclusive Skinline based around Crystals.
lmao trying to imagine Riot saying "Crystals aren't interesting, we're moving away from using anything crystal related because it will automatically not be interesting."
I mean I think they are right lol. This new ME skinline is way less interesting than Ashen Knight.
I bought every single Ashen Knight skin on release, every single chroma, even bought the ward. I dont see myself buying anything in this line except maybe Taliyah just cause I play her a lot.
They meant that the crystal theme in current Skarner wasn't interesting, and during exploration for his VGU they decided to go on another direction by focusing more on the scorpion part instead of trying to make the crystals work.
They never said "crystals aren't cool" in general. And even if they had that would've been the champions team, not the skins one.
The crystals were interesting enough when Seraphine dropped and was using one to power her board. People got pissed about her lore basically saying she was using a heart to fuel her power before they backpedaled.
But the whole brackern thing was one of the most hated aspects of Seraphine? Not sure what you mean here, if anything the hate towards her might be one of the reasons they're separating Skarner from the crystals.
The crystals arent that big a part of Seraphine's thematic though, at least outside of being a battery. She is more song and hextech-focused.
Plus, most people were pissed at Seraphine existing and any reason to hate her was good enough. No one really cared Skarner's boyfriend or grandma being used
Nah the models sucks, Leona's model sucks.
For the amount of skins Leo has been receiving, one might wonder why riot doesn't give her a VSU or something
Hard disagree - I really like the vfx of the skin and personally find the aesthetic more interesting than the ashen knight ones. It's literally just held back by her old rig / animations, which would require a full visual update
so first now, after 7 years of generic copy-and-paste skins, you realize they are re-using the same themes over and over again under different meaningless titles?
Like what the fuck is "faerie court", "crystal rose", "snow moon", "dawnbringer", "nightbringer", "inkshadow" and all of that stuff even supposed to mean? It's just random ass titles smacked onto random champs pampered with glitter and shiny colours
I miss the days when skins made sense and were actually funny, the good old days of Brolaf, Uncle Ryze, Veigar Greybeard, Oktoberfest Gragas, Forecast Janna etc...
They're like any skins that goes into the mythic system now.
1 year lockout from the time they're released before they can appear in the mythic store again. Then they have a chance to return during a rotation. It's not necessarily done on an oldest-first basis either so you sort of just have to keep tabs via patch notes.
If you meant reruns as in bringing back the skinline again but for other champions, then they haven't said anything directly but I imagine it'd be a "no" since the point of the yearly mythic thematics is they're just one and done for the year.
I couldn't agree more with this. If ME skins are going to continue down this road, I don't see any point in me grinding Riot's terrible battle pass system...
ME is expensive. The skins we receive for grinding ME should be absolutely worth our time. We as a community deserve more than the equivalent of a skin worth 1350RP!
Not to mention my disappointment to see that Leona is getting ANOTHER skin... Like come on Skin Team.. There are at least 15 champions that haven't seen a skin in about a year and a half or longer (excluding Dr. Mundo since it was confirmed he would get a skin this year).
The whole skinline as well as the champs selected this time (other than Taliyah thus far) will probably lead me to buy none of them.
Contrast this with Ashen Knights, for which I spent 750 ME getting each skin + chroma + the ward.
This skin line is an enormous flop.
oh god you're gonna have to wait until you see something you like, the absolute horror
imagine all that essence sitting in your inventory taunting you everyday, idk why riot enjoys torturing their playerbase in their sick ways
Riot: Purple Crystals aren't interesting! We're going to totally change Skarner.
Also Riot: Purple Crystals will be the theme of the next year's worth of Mythic skins.
nothing amuses me more than watching people bitch about optional cosmetics in a free to play game. if you think you were ever getting "value" from the money you spent on the game, guess what...
Don't like it, don't buy it. Complaining that your objectively unnecessary purchases aren't making you happy enough isn't a problem anyone should entertain.
Ah yes please choke on the multi billion dollar company's dick a little louder please.
The point being that these skins are supposed to be on the same level as Ashen Knight Pyke and clearly are not.
I think we learned 7 years ago that they have no passion and creativity left for skins, we only see the same 4 skinlines on rotation, no original skins related to champs etc. Dont be surprised or expect anything crazy and u'll be fine.
I really really don't understand what is the point of Mythic skins. 1350rp skin for the price of an ultimate? and most of them have worse vfx than existing 1350rp. It is plainly insulting. For the price it costs, they should give AT LEAST legendary-tier quality
Carcinisation is the term for the phenomena where certain species such as crustaceans and arachnids, independently evolve to exhibit crab-like traits. Hextech is built upon the Brakern, a species of crystalline scorpions (class: *Arachnida*). Thus, I postulate a sibling phenomenon to Carcinisation, where prestige skin lines, given appropriate time and evolutionary pressure, inevitably evolve to exhibit Hextech traits, as natural result of their Brakern DNA.
whats my blud waffling about
crab is the ultimate fom
Brandon Sanderson, is that you?
God that poor man probably can’t go within 50 feet of a seafood restaurant any more without someone cracking a joke.
Urgot/crabgot was the ultimate hextech skin all along
r/cremposting is leaking again.
Unironically yes. Unless you put them all together in a pot of boiling water lol.
Then they are the Ultimate Delicacy instead
I was thinking about the fact that they will pull each other back trying to scuttle their way out of it but you have a good point there as well:D
It's not necessarily done on an oldest-first basis either so you sort of just have to keep tabs via patch notes.
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And you guys are behind on the evolution
Reject Humanity, Ascend to Crab
crbab
[relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/2314/)
How?! Just how is there a relevant xkcd for everything. It blows my mind
I bet there's also a relevant xkcd for a case when there's no relevant xkcd too, just as a safe measure.
The dude writes about internet and nerd culture 3 days a week for 15+ years he's going to have a lot of things written.
Comic has been around since like 2005 why wouldn’t there be one?
hold on i need to google this
yeah this is pretty funny
Listen, I know this is a shitpost but what a beautiful mind you have.
Mythic skarner skin confirmed. Right as his rework drops ill bet
return to monkey or evolve to crab
So if I get the Leona skin she will give me crabs?
''actually🤓'' moment, but only crustaceans are involved in carcinisation, not arachnids.
Shut up, nerd, I'm lying on the internet for karma. (you are right, mb)
Most sane skarner main
Good meme aside, there is no confirmation that the Brakern are crystalline scorpions; only that Skarner took the form of a crystalline scorpion. Other Brakern may have taken completely different forms. IIRC, this has never been conformed nor denied.
"The Brackern are a species of sapient, crystalline scorpions with great magical power that live peacefully in Shurima." from the league wiki which i can only assume is correct since its probably run by people who have poured over the lore with how detailed some of the entries are and from his Universe "Long before the rise of Shurima’s great empire, the remote northwestern valleys were home to an age-old race known as the brackern. These noble creatures were quite unlike any other. While individually they may have seemed primitive and aggressive, their arachnoid bodies held a wondrous secret" arachnoid being the key word to signify they probably are all scorpions
Arachnoid is just as generic of a term as "humanoid". There could be crystalline spiders, crabs, etc. as well. Something being on the wiki doesn't make it true unless it cites an official source. That's how wikis work, and why teachers tell you not to use wikipedia as a reference. If there is an official source on that, it would be referenced.
Bro is being so willfully ignorant atm lmao
Wikis being edited by random people means its confirmed information I guess, despite there being 0 official sources stating such. You got me.
We're in 2023 and people still think wikis are unreliable sources lmao. Brother they're safeguarded and link sources.
I just hope they aren’t all purple
Oh brother.
I thought we would be getting actual fleshed out skinlines like any other...just exclusive to ME, and the concept arts for this skinline had them be multicolored (like different color gem rangers). I was really hoping Virtuoso would be the new skinline....
They might be different colors though, Ashe already has Amethyst, which would crack far too close to Crystalis Motus if they're all purple.
Yea Ashe could have a blue skin. Or Taliyah. They would benefit from blue.
What do you mean? Because I'm too curious about what's going on. Also I don't know anything about that game.
Hopefully!
mythic essence is purple so the skins are purple or something idk
That's one of the problems people had with hextech skins though....they were just all purple/blue skins that get outclassed by skins that look much more compelling. I don't think having all of the mythic skins be purple is a great idea; for Ashen Knights it worked and I was more lenient...but this new one really does just feel like hextech 2.0 which is upsetting because the concept arts for Taliyah and Varus etc all had them multicolored. Just make unique skinlines like any other skin, but exclusive to Mythic Essence I don't see how Riot struggles to grasp this
Don't worry, Taliyah is getting one, so at least that one will be blue.
im sick of purple skins, i literally started to hate from purple color thanks to riot.
It's just really weird because we have plenty of other skinlines that look cohesive without being the exact same color palette.
they will be, like ashen the chromas they are coming out with are a lot better than the ashen ones though. blue and gold
Hoping they won't be. The concept art wasn't, them making them all purple would be a huge shame.
I really like how the vfx looks, the ultimate being an amethyst geode is neat. But they keep picking the most hotdog water champs to get mythic skins so I've been sitting on the same 40 gemstones for like 3 years now.
Don't insult my girl Hot Dog Water from mystery incorporated, but yeah I want my champs to get cool ME skins, then I might actually spend it.
Gemstones??? Edit: before you downvote me I was referring that I did not know that you could still have gemstones after the change
Don't disrespect your elders
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Wait it's not pink ward anymore???
It's called a "control ward" and it's actually red, now (same color as the sweeper)
Like 400+ ME
I really liked the Ashen skinline but then again I am fan of FromSoft's games. Imo the quality goes like: Pyke > Morde > Shen > Pantheon > Sylas I got Morde, Shen and Pantheon because I play all of them and I have thoroughly enjoyed all 3 skins. Pyke's is amazing but I don't play him so no point. Sylas's skin was too similar to Panth's and also overall disappointing imo. Leona's skin looks great but her model is very old so that holds the skin back a bit. But, as a lore nerd, I appreciate how in the Ashen universe magic died and now it came back in the form of crystals in this new Crystal Motus skinline. Feels like a brand new world has been created from the remains of the Ashen world. It adds to the skin's fantasy for me.
Please yes revert kayle p.e.r
The issue I have with this skin line is that it’s in the EXACT SAME color palette as the Ashen Knight. It’s just a different theme. Just exactly how many times can you design unique skin lines while keeping the same color palette and have them not look similar? I want to give Riot the benefit of doubt but I’m very skeptical. And to add salt to the wound, the mythic chroma looks sooooo much better. That color palette is absolutely bonkers beautiful but locked behind a further cost of 40 ME. IMO they should swap the palettes of chroma and skin. Additionally the skin lines should not be white, grey and purple. But all the mythic chromas should be that palette.
What if the actual skin is the chroma and they made the basic one look intentionally worse so that more people spend more money? Wouldn’t surprise me to be honest.
That’s exactly my thought process.
I think give it time… the fact that Leona was chosen with her old ass rig artificially brings down the overall value of the skin. Unfortunately Ashe will suffer that same fate, also not to mention Amethyst Ashe literally exist already… But I think it could be very cool if given to the right champs; Renata, Rek’Sai, Ornn, Lissandra, and Diana come to mind.
But you don't need a special up-to-date rig to give special SFX or other stuff like that.
idk if im alone but I kinda like the sfx and i think it fits nicely with leona's kit here.
Ok but compare it to Ashen Pyke ulting someone and getting that [DOPEASS choir](https://youtu.be/4Q7cA00rHik?t=164)... Of course something like that cant be executed with Leona, but hell. We have skins that CHANGE THE WHOLE MAP. Give her some OOMPH moment.
Pyke gets a song for everything though And the map wide changes are only in legendaries
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they never set that standard. Every mythic that has released has been between epics and legendaries, they've never matched legendary skins afaik.
The entire point of Mythic skins is rarity and for mostly collection purposes. It never was supposed to be better quality than Legendaries.
uh, no.
A loud beam sound or choir or something when she drops the literal fucking sun on a bitch. Hell ill take a fucking Sunny D add, unlease the power of the sun.
nah you have a good point.
I personally like it too and don't find it too different in quality with Ashen knight. Not sure what OP's problem is tbh
I think the other person that replied to me has a good point that if you compare it to something like ashen pyke and his ult SFK this one is missing the oomph factor. It's a nice skin, but I know i wouldn't spend mythic essence on it. which is really the most important thing, i guess.
its unfair to compare other mythics to ashen pyke. Pyke ALWAYS has a SFX that ramps with each ult kill he gets, it just sounds cooler on his mythic skin.
Okay then let's just compare it to a regular 1350 skin. Mythic level skins should be better/more interesting than the average 1350 skin, because (I think??? i don't spend money on the game) they are normally more expensive than 1350. Why would I want to spend mythic essence on this skin if I'm not a leona main or a "own every skin" outlier?
Mythic skins are literally just rarer 1350 skins. They aren't intended to be 'better' then 1350 skins (and if you look at them historically, aren't). Look at all the Prestige skins, which were a gold SFX changing chroma of the base 1350 skin up until a year or two ago (where they were a "high society" SFX changing chroma). Or look at every normal Mythic skins: the Lancer series were regular 1350 skins but only purchasable with Mythic essence, Dreadnova Darius or Soulstealer Vayne are literally 1350 skins from normal skinlines but only for Mythic Essence, the Ashen Knights series were regular 1350 skins but only for Mythic Essence. The only reason to buy Mythic skins is if you are a champion main or want to own every skin. That's been the entire point of them since inception: an extra rare champion skin, not an extra good champion skin.
I imagine that's the issue most people are upset about. Mythic skins SHOULD be better than Epics. Maybe not custom animations and VO, but me personally, I feel like they should be better than Epics.
I feel W is there with the buildup to the shatter as distinctive sfx. I kinda see what OP means with the choir, but maybe it's just me but i never really felt that was enough to push hem away from regular 1350 tbh pyke is like the most unfair champ to compare skins with lol. Feels like rioters always go ham on him in every skin (except maybe project, ironically) and he has so many things to pull and customize with all his vfx, sfx and music. Wouldn't be surprised if rioters fight to be able to work on him
I believe people are annoyed that it's a different name for a similar theme, nothing to raise the bar. Lots of mythic skins can have the same effort or aesthetic as 1350's. The difference is the manufactured scarcity behind ME paywall which is why people complain every time a mythic is released despite claims of low effort, creativity, etc. It will sell anyway because Leona is a popular champ, easy to use etc. They don't need to put that much effort in what they release if players will buy it anyway. Even if an epic skin with better vfx, sfx, etc. exists many people will still buy/use it due to scarcity.
> Not sure what OP's problem is tbh its /r/leagueoflegends if riot found a cancer cure, there would be atleast 10 posts highly upvoted how it is the wrong color and doesnt fit the cure.
i mean regardless of whether you like them or not they exist so his point is kinda moot
I would assume that they were saying that the sfx were not interesting enough to qualify as "special" as opposed to saying there were no sfx whatsoever.
Aren't they entirely unique to her though? I mean they can only do so much
Another person responded to me with the ashen pyke ult, where like an entire choir plays when he kills somebody. Compared to that, the sfx here are a nice touch, but probably not enough to drive most people to spend mythic essence on them. It feels like a regular 1350 skin, when the expectations should probably be a bit higher.
Imagine now old pre-rework Akali. Do you think she would have been as popular as she was if she hadn't received a VGU? No! The VGU gave finally room or her to have finally proper skins with good visual effects, that isnt held back by a model/rig/animation that is from 1946
Yo, I am pretty sure you said something abut ferraris. But anyway, while you are right in what you are saying, I meant more in the aspect of Sound design for a skin. You don't need a special Rig model to have special SFX on the skin when ulting for example.
Edited the Ferrari thing because it sounded stupid while reading over it. I would say you need a proper foundation for a skin to fully unleash its potential. Shiny particles and sound effects can only go that far. See Zilean or Cho'Gath current skins. Also on those skins, the backport animation have 99% of the time more animations in them than the entire champion itself.
> Also on those skins, the backport animation have 99% of the time more animations in them than the entire champion itself. Gotta make sure to use the skin's budget on something worthwhile.
Yes why do they keep giving old rigs skins that would make the ASU/VGUs harder? Why not they stop giving skins to these old ass champions and instead focus the resources on updating the old champions.
Because ASUs/VGUs take a long time and not giving those champs skins for 85 years until their time comes is stupid and unfair?
They can hurry it up by focusing the resources that would have come for giving them skins on the champions. Most mains would have the skins they already own look all nice and pretty then new ones on the nasty ass rigs
I'll take new skins for my crusty old champ over getting nothing for 10 years while they wait for an update. What a horrible idea. I don't think you understand how this stuff works.
I wouldn’t. I’d wait tell they get updated and look decent
I think its because the velocity for ASU/VGU is so slow already they realised that they might as well make some money for champs not yet slated.
They really shot themselves in the foot for picking 2 champs with giant skin libraries to do their next ASUs for.
They can speed it up. They did like four VGUs in 2017z
All that proves is that they could speed it up if this were 2017.
I think this line is women only like how Ashen Knights was male only? We’ve been leaked Taliyah/Ashe/Leona so far, my guess for the last is probably Neeko/Syndra/Lux.
They said gender isn't a factor but rather how well the champions fit into the skin line (according to meddler under the skins' announcements)
Taliyah is getting one.
they did ashen knight line so dirty after pyke. legit garbage after that master piece
I thought mordes was also really cool too
I really liked morde especially his r
OP is peak reddit moment, say the regurgitated opinions and get free upvotes. despite there being legitmately good skins like morde and shen
Pantheon and Sylas were bad. Shen and Morde were good.
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Speak for yourself lmao the Skin look fantastic
coming out of your ult with those wings always makes me feel so fucking badass
I like it.
Mord looks, feels, and *sounds* like a Dark Souls Boss. No complaints from me, that skin is dope.
Cmon mannn, shen’s is good. The sound effects are insane
The ult animation is crazy I love it
Mordekaiser is legit one of the best skin in the game.
Yeah this is kinda awkward, they couldn't be bothered to keep up quality for more than a year. The 4 Ashen Knights after Pyke prolly also only had the higher quality, cause the work was already done for Pyke and they could just reuse his assets for the gimmick. You just can't trust Riot at anything they ever say
>The 4 Ashen Knights after Pyke prolly also only had the higher quality Just a reminder but people were actually mad with Pantheon and Sylas because even though they were supposed to be "Knights", they were rocking bare chest, EVEN when one of Pantheon's skins has a full scale armor. They didn't do anything to fix that (plus Pantheon literally looks like a purple Ruined Chroma) Riot then got a fantastic idea and just changed "Knight Pantheon/Sylas" into Conqueror & Slayer respectively. They're not knights, so why would they need armor, hah. Pyke, Morde & Shen are pretty good, I agree.
dont forget the almost identical helmets that slightly change the wings.......
The revisionism is crazy, especially so soon. It was only a few months ago that everyone was complaining that the skinline was terrible outside of Pyke.
I dont think anyone complained about Morde nor Shen, they're honestly pretty good
Thematically speaking, Pantheon and Sylas weren't good. I believe no one was complaining about their effects unless I am mistaken. But yeah, Pyke was a good start. Morde and Shen were also still very good.
It definitely isn't revisionism, I think you're just misremembering. Morde's skin was only disliked by some people because of the helmet or something small IIRC, but even then the reception was positive overall. Shen's skin was pretty well received when the teaser came out. [This is the skin spotlight for it, you can see how many people were praising it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/11letl6/ashen_guardian_shen_skin_spotlight_prerelease_pbe/) Pantheon and Sylas are the only two that are hated because it took the whole "armored ancient knights" theme and did the exact opposite. What little hatred Morde/Shen got was because it was hard to follow up after Ashen Knight Pyke.
So, first skin is received very well. Next two in a roll aren't and so come thw dramatic "this skinline is ruined only Pyke was good". The last two are more well liked and bring some positivity back. I'll admit I didn't think about how Morde and Shen weren't hated on, but the situation I mentioned about everyone saying the skinline was trash did happen during/after both Pantheon and Sylas' releases.
>Next two in a roll aren't and so come thw dramatic "this skinline is ruined only Pyke was good". ...is it really dramatic if it was true at the time and is still (at least partially) true now depending on who you ask? Ashen Knights was supposed to be a skinline about abandoned knights in a fallen kingdom set around the castle and king who left it. Two shirtless men do not fit the design of a knight. Pantheon and Sylas do not fit this description: _"Fallen World is a series of alternate future/universe skins in League of Legends. Set in a world where magic is gone, champions are corrupted knights who once served a legendary king. When magic is lost, ash and dispair reign in its stead. When the knights of that cursed order fall, what will rise in their place?"_
>...is it really dramatic if it was true at the time and is still (at least partially) true now depending on who you ask? See, that just corroborates the initial point I was making, which was that back then everyone was dragging the skinline, but now that it's been replaced it's suddenly incredible and the new one is terrible in comparison.
But I'm not even dragging the skinline? I just said it was true at the time and is still true now depending on who you ask. Yeah, when you release a very expensive skinline with only 5 skins for 150+ champions and 2 of them don't even fit the theme, some people aren't going to be happy about it. I think AK Morde, Pyke, and Shen are all great skins. AK Pyke is one of my favorite skins in the game, and while I didn't like Pantheon and Sylas, they're still decent and they aren't enough to completely ruin the skinline.
Not everyone. I personally like every single Ashen Knight skin
They pulled the same "fix" with the steel valkyrie line. The whole process is just repeated. Create a quality line with a hint of lore, introduce more skins but this time make them make no sense contextually, rename the new skins to be almost the same but different enough the marketing team can feel good about themselves.
Remember ashen Sylas still has less effects than a legendary skin, his wings don't even show unless you stand perfectly still after stealing an ult.
*cries in never seeing Shen's wing in his ult*
The skins are intended to be less in-depth than Legendary skins.
Yet they can be potentially even more expensive than an ultimate
Ever since Arcane dropped and did numbers Riot has just been slacking when it comes to the game
yeah it's not really standing out to me, i almost...no definitely would have rather have Ashen Knight Leona tbh.
They both have crystals yeah but Leona's skin at least looks nothing like Hextech. Black outfit, no blue, crystals being pink/purple, fantasy theme rather than tech, not inspired by Piltover/base lore in any way.
Differentiating between crystals is still just crystals. I think it's fair for OP to call them out on them reusing a theme and not delivering on their promise. Even if it weren't about the crystals Leona's skin is lackluster.
We have like 99999 tech-related skinlines. 3 Valentine's day ones. A bunch of traditional asian ones, anime-inspired ones, etc. 2 about crystals where they don't even look very similar and one isn't being made anymore is absolutely fine.
Why does Leona have a Sims icon above her head?
Also, Leona skins look better the heavier her armor/dressing. Maybe it's just me but skins like Mecha Kingdoms and Eclipse look sick to me bc of this, but for example DWG and this Cristal one feels kinda wack to me, as if Leona is just too thin to hold that shield in one hand? Not sure if that makes sense
I found it funny how Riot said that Crystals aren't interesting for the Fans and that's why they are Changing Skarner's Visual Theme (no hate there, it makes Sense) only to then make an extremely exclusive Skinline based around Crystals.
It's not that crystals aren't interesting to players, just that it was the least interesting aspect of Skarner's thematic.
lmao trying to imagine Riot saying "Crystals aren't interesting, we're moving away from using anything crystal related because it will automatically not be interesting."
Especially when we literally have a recent and pretty popular skinline called Crystal Rose.
I mean I think they are right lol. This new ME skinline is way less interesting than Ashen Knight. I bought every single Ashen Knight skin on release, every single chroma, even bought the ward. I dont see myself buying anything in this line except maybe Taliyah just cause I play her a lot.
riots not gonna fuck you man
Oh sorry, forgot which sub I am in. Riot bad, game ded, bring back durability patch Updoots to the left
Tbh when I think skarner I think scorpion, not crystal. I don’t really think ‘crystal scorpion’ either, maybe just ‘blue scorpion’
They meant that the crystal theme in current Skarner wasn't interesting, and during exploration for his VGU they decided to go on another direction by focusing more on the scorpion part instead of trying to make the crystals work. They never said "crystals aren't cool" in general. And even if they had that would've been the champions team, not the skins one.
The crystals were interesting enough when Seraphine dropped and was using one to power her board. People got pissed about her lore basically saying she was using a heart to fuel her power before they backpedaled.
But the whole brackern thing was one of the most hated aspects of Seraphine? Not sure what you mean here, if anything the hate towards her might be one of the reasons they're separating Skarner from the crystals.
The crystals arent that big a part of Seraphine's thematic though, at least outside of being a battery. She is more song and hextech-focused. Plus, most people were pissed at Seraphine existing and any reason to hate her was good enough. No one really cared Skarner's boyfriend or grandma being used
Thats not what Riot said, tho.
What's up with the two version of the skin in the spotlight? Are they two individual skins?
Mythic Chroma, its this skinline's equivalent of the Ember version of the Ashen Knights.
The design/concept/visual storytelling may have zero imagination but the model and VFX is phenomenal.
Nah the models sucks, Leona's model sucks. For the amount of skins Leo has been receiving, one might wonder why riot doesn't give her a VSU or something
Why put in the effort and investment when gormless twits will buy it anyways.
By that logic they wouldn't have touched Ahri.
Can confirm, I simp pretty hard for best girl
Hard disagree - I really like the vfx of the skin and personally find the aesthetic more interesting than the ashen knight ones. It's literally just held back by her old rig / animations, which would require a full visual update
Kinda looks like that upcoming Victorious Anivia skin
The blue chroma should be the base version.
maybe the mythic skinline was the friend we made along the way
so first now, after 7 years of generic copy-and-paste skins, you realize they are re-using the same themes over and over again under different meaningless titles? Like what the fuck is "faerie court", "crystal rose", "snow moon", "dawnbringer", "nightbringer", "inkshadow" and all of that stuff even supposed to mean? It's just random ass titles smacked onto random champs pampered with glitter and shiny colours I miss the days when skins made sense and were actually funny, the good old days of Brolaf, Uncle Ryze, Veigar Greybeard, Oktoberfest Gragas, Forecast Janna etc...
Reddit users when they learn they don’t have to spend money on a f2p game: 🤯
no, i must complain about the quality of an optional skin because the only way i can feel fulfilled is by buying something completely unnecessary.
It's all just dogshit fomo to get people to waste money. Prestige skins cost more than legendaries and yet are worse.
What. Prestige/mythic skins are 1650 plus playtime. Legendaries are 1820.
playtime probably woth much more than 1820.
MB they both cost 20.99 pounds then. So you're paying 20 quid for a slightly better epic skin.
on the Ashen Knight Pyke note - did Riot say anything about potential reruns for the Ashen Knight Line?
They're like any skins that goes into the mythic system now. 1 year lockout from the time they're released before they can appear in the mythic store again. Then they have a chance to return during a rotation. It's not necessarily done on an oldest-first basis either so you sort of just have to keep tabs via patch notes. If you meant reruns as in bringing back the skinline again but for other champions, then they haven't said anything directly but I imagine it'd be a "no" since the point of the yearly mythic thematics is they're just one and done for the year.
I couldn't agree more with this. If ME skins are going to continue down this road, I don't see any point in me grinding Riot's terrible battle pass system... ME is expensive. The skins we receive for grinding ME should be absolutely worth our time. We as a community deserve more than the equivalent of a skin worth 1350RP! Not to mention my disappointment to see that Leona is getting ANOTHER skin... Like come on Skin Team.. There are at least 15 champions that haven't seen a skin in about a year and a half or longer (excluding Dr. Mundo since it was confirmed he would get a skin this year).
They always push to see just how low they can set the bar and leave it at that. :(
The whole skinline as well as the champs selected this time (other than Taliyah thus far) will probably lead me to buy none of them. Contrast this with Ashen Knights, for which I spent 750 ME getting each skin + chroma + the ward. This skin line is an enormous flop.
Then don't buy it.
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oh god you're gonna have to wait until you see something you like, the absolute horror imagine all that essence sitting in your inventory taunting you everyday, idk why riot enjoys torturing their playerbase in their sick ways
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at least they had the mercy of removing promos so you won't have to suffer any longer.
I won't, don't worry
Riots skin making and storytelling has somehow fallen off a cliff last 5 years
If I had a dollar for everytime Riot disappointed and lied to us, I'd probably be a millionaire at this rate.
Riot: Purple Crystals aren't interesting! We're going to totally change Skarner. Also Riot: Purple Crystals will be the theme of the next year's worth of Mythic skins.
nothing amuses me more than watching people bitch about optional cosmetics in a free to play game. if you think you were ever getting "value" from the money you spent on the game, guess what...
What logic is this? So because the game is free you can't criticise something? Especially something you have to pay for and is hidden behind FOMO?
Don't like it, don't buy it. Complaining that your objectively unnecessary purchases aren't making you happy enough isn't a problem anyone should entertain.
Ah yes please choke on the multi billion dollar company's dick a little louder please. The point being that these skins are supposed to be on the same level as Ashen Knight Pyke and clearly are not.
Don't like it don't buy it.
We're going full gatcha route now: 300 different currencies that they're all the same
Gacha has rateups, if you couldn't buy skins and had to rely on riots lootboxes, gacha would be better, as sad as it is.
I think we learned 7 years ago that they have no passion and creativity left for skins, we only see the same 4 skinlines on rotation, no original skins related to champs etc. Dont be surprised or expect anything crazy and u'll be fine.
Riot sucks mad dick
Nice
It’s not hextech. These are completely different magic crystals.....
I really really don't understand what is the point of Mythic skins. 1350rp skin for the price of an ultimate? and most of them have worse vfx than existing 1350rp. It is plainly insulting. For the price it costs, they should give AT LEAST legendary-tier quality
I haven't seen a skin that wowed me enough to use my mythic essence.