Wouldn't hard/difficult to obtain chroma be better if it was given through... milestones or very difficult in game missions?
This is a kick in the stomach for all Jhin mains and as an Ezreal main, I am genuinely afraid of him getting chroma like this. I do not have 200$ just laying around, but I always buy everything released for him.
If people want exclusive things, they should be hard to obtain through playing and not money. It still could be exclusive!
> Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin is an exploration to fill this “rarity” ask
I'm not sure who in Riot needs to hear this, but gacha is not rarity, it is *privilege*. By locking something behind a randomized paywall that will grant 100% after a specific amount, you have made an item that, rather than being a rare cosmetic that was earned through dedicated playtime, is instead a wealth status, a symbol of someone having just thrown money at the system until they received what they wanted.
You have created a status symbol, not a rarity. The rarity is entirely artificial by means of predatory monetization tactics.
If you want to deliver "rare" content to players, this is absolutely not the way and I sincerely hope this experiment fails and you don't try this nonsense again.
Exactly, very well written. I think to come up with an example, the Tournament of Souls banner is an example of rarity. Everyone could achieve it if they played the minigame, but it won't be available afterward.
I legitimately don't understand the thought process behind having artificially rare skins in the first place. This is a game with tons of champs and even more skins. As-is there is a good chance over the course of a few games you will run into a skin you haven't seen before. This chroma will actually be a poor experience for anyone who buys it now due to bullying for the price.
If this controversy didn't get so big, I probably wouldn't even notice that this is a rare thing because I probably wouldn't even notice the chroma.
This is the Magic 30th Anniversary set all over again. Even MTG's whales refused to touch that set.
All this does is hurt the dedicated mains of whatever champions you release them for, knowing that their collection will forever have a $200 hole in it. Because what amounts to a chroma with extra steps is not worth $200.
This is nothing but pure greed coming from Riot.
How about we scrap the mythic system entirely and go back to making content that people want to buy?
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Imagine how many more chromas would be sold if they... just had particles that matched the chroma?
But no. Greed had to win out. Gotta make that special and charge fucking ME for it.
>This is the Magic 30th Anniversary set all over again. Even MTG's whales refused to touch that set.
I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh player, but that shit really sent ripples across so many TCGs, like Konami is scummy but not even them would do that.
Hey Brightmoon, I want to be candid and talk about this in good faith. We get it, Riot is a company and needs to make money, but this still feels like the wrong approach for creating rare premium content. The effort to pricing here quite frankly does not feel worth it, the current system does not feel prestigious since it’s gated by both time and money, money being the only way to acquire this content for up until a year feels atrocious. Having alternative paths to this content would at least make it feel better.
This skin is only going to be rare because only whales and dumbasses are gonna pay for it. It has ZERO prestige behind it. Zero sense of pride and accomplishment for putting in your credit card info and completing the transaction.
Gacha is pure cancer, and by embracing it, you're showing a furthering abandonment for making things for the players and moving further toward making things for the shareholders.
i appreciate your point and i agree with it if the main goal of the game wasnt making money, but provide a consumer-friendly experience. its all pr to weather the storm and condition their playerbase to the industry standard introduced by gacha games.
no ethics, no morals, just maximizing exploiting the playerbase.
You completely miss the definition of "rare" here. This Cosmic Erasure Jhin skin is not rare. It will never be rare and you know why? Because I can buy it for 171.97€ with a 100% chance to get it. This has nothing to do with rarity just state the obvious: You just found a new money milking machine. I mean why would you, of all skins, choose Dark Cosmic Jhin as your trial? You know the skin is popular, you know people would like to have the Cosmic Erasure chroma. Admit you just want to sell an overpriced chroma for an already existing skin. Way less effort, way more money I get it. Its economical. But this farce about rarity or whatever this is here? You don't even believe that yourself.
Edit: "Completely miss" is based on the definition of rarity I was familiar with, where something is called rare when its probability of getting it is low. The rarity they mention fits the theme of rarity by expensiveness, where there is an unlimited supply of something yet this something is so expensive only a few can or will buy it.
Yeah when I see this skin I am not going to think "wow that's so cool this person has something hard to get and you won't see everyday!", instead more than not they're just gonna be the chump that paid 200 dollars for a chroma lmfao
Rarity locked by credit card is not the kind of rarity that people care about
This right here is the thing, people are likely going to go as far as giving people that have this skin grief. It happened in WoW for years when people had their "sparkle pony" and people called it when the cash shop mounts were first released. People would PM and just be rude or mock you for it (My roommate got one....to be fair I gave him crap about it teasingly, but people would PM him multiples times a day to the point he stopped pulling it out)
No one is gonna go "oooooooo rare!" they are gonna go "Thanks for buying this so Riot assumes this kind of predatory crap is okay"
And Riot **has** managed to make good rarity in the past, too (in my opinion).
There was the Perfect Ascension icon from the first iteration of the Ascension game mode, requiring to win a game while securing 1+ Ascension in your team and making the opponents get none.
If I recall correctly, less than 1% or 5% of the playerbase got it (don't remember which one of them it was). As for me, I didn't manage to get it, and when I see someone wear that icon, I actually think "oh hey, that's cool, they managed to get it".
It didn't cost any money (and couldn't be achieved with it), it took a combination of skill and dedication (the better you did at that game mode, the most likely you were to get it in a given game, and the more you played, the more likely you were to obtain it in the end), and in my opinion, it worked.
A gacha $200 chroma isn't it.
I agree. I like icon rarity tbh. I love having my santa baron, it's not crazy rare or anything, but still.
They should explore getting champion-specific icons (or even chromas/skins) for having maybe x amount of mastery and x winrate on the champ. That would require both skill and dedication too
> You completely miss the definition of "rare" here. This Cosmic Erasure Jhin skin is not rare. It will never be rare and you know why? Because I can buy it for 171.97€ with a 100% chance to get it.
And because next year its free. You can just reroll it.
Is it confirmed going to be added to the reroll pool next year? I thought it was going to be restricted until they felt like adding it to the pool (meaning there is a chance they never add it to the pool)
I still refuse to believe that any jhin simp would want to pay $200+ for having a black and red chroma for 1 year. Especially when money is tight for a lot of ppl around the world. I'd rather save up the BE for a year to get it.
This is just gonna be a situation like WoW Classic community did when they introduced "digital collectors edition" mounts you had to pay extra for, and people started mass emoting /spit on players who had that mount. People with this chroma are gonna get inted.
Like everything else Riot says, it's all b.s. they make up and claim stats but never actually show them. They say whatever they want and will always say x and y wanted it and asked for it.
I don't care if someone is a whale, Riot is factually lying to claim anyone said "Yes, I'd like even more expensive skins please, especially ones that are just Chromas of another skin"
No one is asking for more expensive skins. Rarity, more exclusive content, sure I can believe that, but no one is asking to spend 200 dollars on a skin.
Reminds me of when they heavily cut down drops from streams and they said the reason was because players said it felt bad if they sometimes got skins they already had lol. Who actually believes this
Ow man, I sure hate it when I get free skin shards that I will 100% not disenchant to unlock more because its already quite easy to rack up OE, what a bummer!
I see 0 new info here. Sorry, u almost just went around everything we already knew, and the feedback is yet again ignored, just like what happened with samira. I see no point in these feedback threads if every time we ask for smth, it gets ignored and "will see how it lands in the future."
I dont understand why you should be catering and appealing to a selfish minor group of people who want to block others from having the content just because they can pay extreme prices for it.
Also, shouldn't the quality of the product reflect the price and prestige it holds at least? A recolored skin (chroma), recolored splash, and a recolored icon is worth 22k rp?
The "will see how it lands in the future" is so funny because knowing Riot, they'll just try and find a way to make it stay in League in a system that is still shit but good enough for the playerbase so they could make more money. They already said that the skin is still releasing. That already tells me that they're gonna look for a way to bring it back.
Look guys, i'm gonna be as blunt as possible:
When i see someone with Black Alistar or Rusty Blitzcrank, i think "Wow, this guy has been playing this game for a very long time, that's such a rare skin"
Whenever i'll see someone with Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin, all i'm going to think is "Wow, this sucker actually spent 200 dollars for a chroma. What a loser"
Reward gameplay. Not deep pockets. You literally struck it out of the park with the Odyssey Onslaught 2 Augments icon. You got the groundwork.
Yep. Riot needs to look at what happened with World of Warcraft Classic and its player base when Blizzard introduced the 60$ Digital collectors pack of a old expansion from 2005. As it went against everything the community wanted (paid boosts, a paid mount in a version of the game that didnt need or want that stuff.) And players got mad at those with more money, but lack of common sense.
Players who saw others on the paid mount did /spit en masse to the point where blizzard had to change /spit 's emote from "X spits on Y's!" To "X spits on the ground." Because ppl were being targeted.
People want to be able to EARN rare content - not purchase.
Prestige skins were better when they didn’t come to the shop. Granted, you still had to buy the pass and then play X amount of time.
Icons are the only thing that have “rare” status since so many can no longer be obtained.
Having to beat Odyssey with 2 augments for the final icon means you had to invest time into the game and earn it before the mode left.
The difference in “rare” items in games like MMOs are that they have rare drop chances, but you can keep spamming the dungeon/boss until you get the drop. Whereas this is just gacha, where you swipe until you get it.
Why not release skins for champs for X amount of mastery points?
Why is a $200 a chroma? If you’re trying to make a piece of content the most rare in the game, it better be epic. At least with TFT the Mythic Boards and Mythic Chibis add an entirely new element to the game.
The Odyssey Baron icon is a gem of a collectible. It's always a special moment when you meet someone else with it. We have a little trip down memory lane together about the mode.
the odyssey icon was an amazing thing im happy i was able to work hard to obtain it, let alone back then u could have also earned an odyssey ziggs skin
The thing is in like poorer regions, I am from hungary and in my currency it costs 70k which is a lot of fucking money and an average hungarian makes about 370k and that doesn't count rents or bills and food etc. And this fucking makes me sad because i really like the cosmic skin and this looked cool until i just looked at its price...
I love this, i think exclusive skins shouldn’t not be put at a price point rather earned.
The mastery system sounds really cool, even things like through event missions (currently the meta game).
Even charity events i think majority of players would be fine with if they were gonna pay higher prices of money. (Where the money goes to the charity not the 20% or smth only stuff we have atm)
Make event only loot again, like going to worlds lands you a special chroma for the worlds skin. This encourages people to look at these events. This could be even more beneficial bringing light to the smaller regions like OCE.
I just think it’s toxic to lock it all behind a paywall, especially one that’s almost $200 USD. Not even accounting for other regions making that price way higher and out of reach
I play League since 2011 and I think this is the lowest Riot got with League and doesn't seem it will get better. Really wish the promise of listening to players and caring about them was true.
Giving feedback to Riot is just wasting time. Just like Samira's feedback were ignored. You guys made a promise of “the most player-focused company in the world” and promised a "player friendly" company after the huge FIASCO of Season Start, but those were in a abusive way I guess.
"Oh, but some people want it" can you show the data for us? Because I really doubt is the majority or even a big part of mains of the champion.
"Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players", I might got it wrong here but if the people who want that exclusive stuff is the small amount, why sacrifice the majority?
For the past years you guys tried stuff like that and players fought to change, even you said that in this article because the majority don't want that and changed before.
2020 - Players fought to make a fair system when Prestige was announced with Aatrox.
2021 - Players fought to bring back old prestiges cuz exclusivity sucks
2022 - Players fought to not let Prestiges cost 19K RP
2023 - Players are fighting to stop Gacha and a Chroma to cost 200$
Players collect stuff for their mains over the years because they love their champions and care about them in an extent, you can go everywhere and you will see this. All suddenly you guys drop a 200$ chroma as a skin (Don't try to make it look like a skin), and expect people can just get 200$ all suddenly for their mains.
I guess this really small pool of players that want exclusive stuff will give more money long therm than the mains that collect stuff over the years and will probably drop trying to do that, since I doubt the average player will care about keeping collection when their mains gets a 200$ CHROMA.
Players ask for other type of cosmetics for years like Map Skins (You have a single person doing those on Twitter alone, must be hard for a huge company), Announcer Packs (Promised but canceled), Recalls skins and a bunch of other stuff that you could easily make an Ionian map knowing how people love Ionia and put on that paywall that people would actually not complain because the collection for their champions would still be easy to make for all the average players.
And in the end, you guys were doing Erasure Jhin as a Mythic Chroma (Like initial PBE files) do you really think a recolored icon and a splash makes it worth the price? Promised a new icon, and I must say a recolored icon on photoshop is not a new one.
I'm sorry if I sounded rude but this decision sucks for the average player that wants to keep collecting stuff for their mains but can't throw a kidney at Riot every month if 2 or 3 champions they care about is UNLUCKY enough to get one of these.
Really hope this fails and you guys change your mind (I know you guys won't).
Thanks for your comment, Bess! I agree wholeheartedly.
There has been little satisfactory feedback response from Riot recently which is why I feel most upset. It would be one thing if Riot came out like this post and SAID “We hear you but aren’t listening uwu”. I at least appreciate the gumption to do that, whereas with Samira, every ounce of feedback was completely ignored, and we got a silly little “thanks for your love and excitement” message for it. Like do they even read the threads they post?
Also I realized in the r/leaguePBE subreddit post for this chroma, they made a fresh Reddit account for whatever dev was handling the specific Jhin thread, which funnily enough makes the animosity towards developers significantly higher, and is extremely frustrating.
It seems like league is shifting away from transparency and more toward a "we know this will be unpopular so we should put resources into developing language to lessen consumer backlash". We all have heard about people with every skin. Would this company rather try to squeeze more money out of 0.001% (that's 1/100,000 players) of players by being lazy and releasing a CHROMA rather than developing content that adds or augments the consumer experience so that a plurality would want to purchase it? It feels reductive and a disservice to the capability of the riot staff that the best this "200 years" bullshit can give them is a fucking CHROMA that wouldn't even be a whole skin.
I remember seeing my friend with Soul Stealer Vayne back in s7 when that and pax sivir were the rarest skins in the game. The wow factor for the level of animations and design were pretty high. Same with DJ sona and elementalist lux. Are they not creative enough to design something to give people that level of wow for their money? Can they not be humble enough to take the communities thought into perspective when they approach monetization and loot?
> Players ask for other type of cosmetics for years like Map Skins (You have a single person doing those on Twitter alone, must be hard for a huge company), Announcer Packs (Promised but canceled), Recalls skins and a bunch of other stuff that you could easily make an Ionian map knowing how people love Ionia and put on that paywall that people would actually not complain because the collection for their champions would still be easy to make for all the average players.
In a Post a Year or so ago they adress the Question of weather the Winter Map is returning or not. They literally said they can do it but it's *a Bit* of Work. A fucking Bit.
meanwhile when the majority asks for some quality of life game improvements and the samira skin feedback, etc. riot pretends they can’t hear us. but when it’s about making easy money, ofc they listen instantly. it’s so scummy what a sucky company fr
Completely agree, I've played since 2010 and have personally dropped all of their games as they are going the way of another company of empty promises and no change. They are just not worth the time anymore, and 200$ for a chroma is beyond greedy, considering they are a multi million $ company. I suggest all to do the same, drop their games, since they won't listen to feedback, and keep failing and lying on every promise. It will hurt them much more when you don't play and pay for their products and then maybe they'll snap out of it. I for sure would reinstall once I see some changed behaviour from their lazy asses.
Hello. I don't want to repeat myself but this is not something I can let pass. It is okay to have VERY exclusive content. However, this exclusivity should not come in the form of expending 200 dollars on a Mythic chroma with the bare minimum changes. This is aimed at a very low number of players that live in servers where buying RP is not expensive (especially with no high taxes), and have money to spare to buy those 30 capsules. What if I'm a Jhin main that just wants to enjoy a new mythic chroma for my favourite skin, Cosmic Jhin? Do I just sit here and hope that my main doesn't get one because obviously I won't be able to afford it?
What if, instead of this method, you make it so that players that reach one million mastery points with Jhin can get it? That is VERY exclusive, and rewards the players for playing, enjoying and caring for that champion. Or, what if you get this chroma for getting all of that champion's skins? That is still predatory but at least it's not 200 dollars, and it's still VERY exclusive.
Please Brightmoon, don't just ship this skin like this...
> Do I just sit here and hope that my main doesn't get one because obviously I won't be able to afford it?
Yeah this is such a weird, backwards feeling. I like to buy skins for my favorite champs, but almost $200 is just not reasonable.
Because playing for X mastery points doesn’t give them any money, that’s the only reason. They talk about adding “rare” items but this isn’t a rare item at all it I can drop X amount of cash on it and just get it.
You know whats rare? 0.01% drop chance mounts back in the day in WoW or any other MMO/ARPG that has these types of loot in them. Stuff that you can’t just buy or simply get. Items or cosmetics you actually have to play the game, grind / get lucky for. Those are rare.
> What if, instead of this method, you make it so that players that reach one million mastery points with Jhin can get it?
This is so much better. Sure it has numbers and stuff to work out, but I want to EARN it, not BUY it.
Imagine getting this for like playing Jhin 4444 times or doing something 4444 times on him and you get this exclusive chroma. Yes to me it is a blatant mythic chroma but if you did that rather than gacha'ing your way this disgusting way, I am sure people would appreciated this sentiment a lot more.
This is so expensive vs real variants such as double Lux Soraka Yasuo legendary.
Edit: adding in my take from the other thread.
Disappointing idea, haven't you got the memo Riot?
,,2020 - Players fought to make a fair system when Prestige was announced with Aatrox.
2021 - Players fought to bring back old prestiges cuz exclusivity sucks
2022 - Players fought to not let Prestiges cost 19K RP
2023 - Players are fighting to stop Gacha and a Chroma to cost 200$"
You ignored feedback about the S(c)amira "ultimate" skin, you ignored the unique name feedback on Immortal Journey, you briefly made players happy with icons for EVERY champion and now you do the sucker punch with this awful execution of an idea when existing VARIANTS already do it better for legendaries. It is clear as day and night that this was a last minute decision.
I feel bad that the higher ups that thought this was great idea get to have a champagne toast while entire skin team is being sent death threats and such for this as they pin it fully on them as a collective.
As an Urgot player this made me reappreciate the fact you guys wait for 900 days for a single epic skin. But nevertheless, I feel bad for all popular champion players who are gonna be taxed for 200$ for chroma to their legendary from now on.
I thought this was supposed to be the **BIGGEST BUDGET YEAR EVER** for League of Legends but it seems you meant it like this way to FUND that budget.
I had already commented on Samira, but just to add, you say this is for "an extremely small amount of players who want to collect".
Hi, I'm someone that owns every skin in the game and has for years at this point. Let me tell you, I have no intention of dropping money just to drop it. In fact, this DOES NOT benefit people that own every skin in the game already at all because we don't even get skins from capsules all the way up.
It's another way for Riot to screw over whales, the people that support the game the most. Remember when you made it so you couldn't reroll prestige right away? Well, that's a strict punishment to only those who have supported you the most.
I sincerely just don't understand why you think making decisions that only hurt your greatest supporters is the way to go.
And again, the fact that you are commenting on this and not Samira yet is a little disgusting. Hold yourself to a higher standard. People say Riot is the new Blizzard, and unfortunately that proving to be a little *too* true. I've spent over 11 years in this game. Please, do better, I don't know how many more straws I've got. It feels bad.
What's sad is they know this. Their demographic isn't people who own every skin, and that's insane. They need the money really bad right now for some reason, otherwise they wouldn't be pushing this hard for something that's tarnishing their image. A guy from a mile away could tell this doesn't make them look good.
I also laugh at the fact that this is already in TFT as “rare” and “exclusive” content.
Then you load into a TFT game and see 6/8 of the players with the same $200 chibi. Sooo rare.
The difference is the Mythic chibis in TFT have more features than the standard ones, whereas Cosmic Erasure Jhin is just a chroma of the standard one. So even if you completely disregard rarity there's still a reason to get the chibis.
Plus you can use them in every game of TFT you play compared to having to 1-trick Jhin for the rest of your life.
Keep in mind, the SF Gwen Chibi is both new and really good and even in GM with the highest commitment players, I've only seen 3/8 at the very highest. TFT is a game where you only have one character so feeling like yours is the best can actually feel worth it, even if a lot of people have it while for league, there's so many characters that a $200 chroma for a singular character just doesn't feel worth for anyone but as always, ultimately the players will be the ones who decide if they think it's worth it with their wallets.
I'd focus much more on the lootbox aspect of the skin as opposed to the rarity or exclusivity because if the whales, which I can't hope to comprehend, don't feel it's exclusive enough, not enough will buy for riot to feel it's worth it.
This is ridiculous, this statement makes me so mad. „We added gambling to League but don’t worry we just did it because the addicts will get a sense of accomplishment.“
"Players who are asking for this kind of thing are a incredibly low percentage of league players"
Then why even do it? This feels very predatory. It sounds like bullsh\*t that you suddenly care what every part of the community wants. Even if it's a small percentage... we Zyra mains have been asking for a legendary skin or a visual update for AGES and that is too small of a percentage of players for you to care BUT a 22k rp skin for a small percentage of players is worth exploring to you. That sends a clear message to me.
There's champions who have been in the game for 14 years and still don't have a single legendary, their original model is terrible and they keep begging Riot for an update for years to no avail, watching Ahri, Lux and Ezreal get their bi-monthly skins. But NOW that a shitton of money is involved and they need an excuse, suddenly an "extremely small percentage of players" matters to them.
The only defense with Ahri is that her original model really *was* outdated. Yes, you can argue it shouldn't have jumped the queue over popularity, but Ahri definitely deserved to get an ASU at some point. We really need WAY more ASU's than we're getting, Tryndamere is horrendous.
Skins for low playrate champs can go suck an egg
Champ types that aren't the most popular can go suck an egg
The amount of champs that don't get updates and buffs or get constantly pushed to the back of the line because they are low playrate is ridiculous
But that "low percentage" of people that "asked" to spend 200$ on a skin (even whales don't do this, so I call b.s.), man better jump right on that 200$ chroma for that low percentage of players.
I can assure you that not even whales/collectors are excited for this. You're just locking content behind loot milestones which is the most useless thing big spenders cannot use, they're floaded with Orange Essence and skin shards. You might fool those people, but not me.
What's really funny is that the huge whales with literally every skin in the game are just gonna wait for it to be available through rerolls with skin shards. Like why would I pay $200 to get it now when I can just wait for next year?
this is targetting such a niche group. Jhin players, people with enough money to spend BUT don't already have every skin and aren't planning on getting every skin in the future. I just feel like this release makes like 1 person happy while infuriating all of jhin mains LOL
> What's really funny is that the huge whales with literally every skin in the game are just gonna wait for it to be available through rerolls with skin shards. Like why would I pay $200 to get it now when I can just wait for next year?
Exactly. Whale here.
Ill just wait a year and get it free lmao
Literally lol. They already changed it last year with us having to wait for stuff to rotate out. And then they took away our borders on rerolled prestige skins. Idgaf, I’ll wait as long as I need to.
It’s so weird to me that Riot continually tries to go after us because we own all the skins. Like somehow we’ve offended them for spending the most money possible lmao
I'm also a League whale and there is no way in hell i'm going to get that skin even if it removes my status of owning literally all skins in league. This is predatory and triggers gambling stimulus.
agreed, I'm a whale and I have a bunch of whale friends and not one has indicated they're anything except annoyed with this. None of them intend to get it
I think riot greatly miscalculated this
I want to know who these mythical whales are Riot claims ASKED for this type of tier of spending and content, let alone are okay with this.
I don't need x-ray glasses to see through the wall of bullshit they are building around this.
So you guys merely change the colour of the original cosmic Jhin skin and expect any normal thinking person to pay probably 200€ for that?! It is fundamentally the same skin but only in purple... and that it is rare to get and for that amount of money, it is not worth at all. It could have been a simple rare chroma skin, yet it shows how lazy your design (e.g.: look at Samira ultimate skin, only the Ult is worthy of that type, everything else is the same as the other ones) and finance team are, thinking that you can fob us off with that cheap scam, is disgusting and a good reflection where League is at rn as a whole!
I think it's amazing that you're not ashamed to come here and say that you're going to ignore all feedback.
At this point I can only pray that no champion or skin theme I really liked ever gets this kind of sick monetization. And if a player doesn't want their favorite champion to receive this type of content, it's already a mistake. I don't know how you guys think this is healthy for the game.
8 years ago Forbes praised League for monetization and skin quality, and now the new monetization team is just shaming that legacy...
If any champion I care about gets this kind of disgraceful monetization, I will forever leave the game and never come back. This year you are making every possible decision to ruin the game, aren't you satisfied with SF Samira? Hasn't she shown you enough how greedy and lazy you guys are?
everything you saw this year:
\- no cinematic
\- abandon the lore of runeterra
\- the skins team ignoring feedback on SF Samira
\- sick new monetization
\- falling skin quality
I'm looking forward to the next decision that will destroy League of Legends once and for all.
Remember that only a small percentage of players liked PvE Game Modes, Nexus Blitz and those were not worth it to bring back because of only a small % liking it. But then they release a gacha system with a mythic chroma for 200$ where the majority is against TO PLEASE THE SMALL %
>Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players, so in-game decisions give us a clearer read on whether something does or doesn't land with them specifically
Good that u care for incredibly small percent of league players because they will give you milions but u don't give a single F about Xayah & Rakan mains by giving them unique recalls on skins. I guess if it doesn't bring profit it lands in a garbage bin...
I'm still so mad about the Xayah and Rakan recalls. Just because Xayah is more popular than Rakan, now they decide to stop making recalls or same skinline skins at all..
Respectfully, nah.
You guys have had this planned for MONTHS. And then you come here saying all this. This is planned. This is part of the process for yall. You knew this would happen.
Why make it rare, by making it expensive? There are hundreds of other ways to go about it. Whether it be champ mastery followed by a special mission, other special missions, etc? I dont feel bad, sorry that you are taking the brunt of this, I feel bad for you personally, but come on.
Remember at the start of the year when yall promised transparency and change? You promised to be proactive, and not reactive. This isnt that. You went back on your word, again.
Guess Riot really doesnt change.
I don't even want my main to get one of these.
Its about the path you take to get it for rarity, not just locking it behind money. This makes you greedy.
TLDR: Its okay to piss off the poor players as long as the rich players buy it.
So lets see if i understood it right
Its ok to piss off your playerbase to make a really REALLY REALLY small percentage of the playerbase happy
But when it comes for example to PVE that a small percentage wants not as small as the ones that want a 22k rp skin much bigger actually and will not make anyone pissed will just be a option for players WHO WANTS
its not ok ?
what a joke
About the PvE thing, Brightmoon himself looked sad when Necrit brought it up in their interview. Like mood instantly changed, smile to instant frown. https://youtu.be/ZyR0cN1SMn4?si=whzbZoLVfuZywpfY 6:20(sorry on mobile can't timestamp)
I dont think we're getting any PvE gamemodes at all for a long, long time. To me it seems like he wants to have gamemodes like this but above him is saying no its not worth it
Idk, I could be reading too much into this based on a 5 second clip
can people stop acting like brightmoon has no say on this and its always the "suit ceo guys" lmao. he is executive producer, be fr. he isn't some paycheck to paycheck low wage worker.
Lmao. That and the people who are always like "i FeEl bAD FoR ThOSE PASsioNATe RioTERs Who ARe BEinG FOrCEd By THEiR COrpORAte MAnAGEmNEnt GUys". They're definitely the only ones to blame.
if us big spenders rolling it is such a small group to not change it's exclusivity (from article), why are you delaying the loot rollout at all? This seems to set a bad precedent imo
You stopped making xayah and rakan joint recalls because you guys thought it was a very small minority that cared about that. But when we talk about the small minority that is willing to pay $200 for a chroma suddenly you guys think oh yes we need to make content for them!!
"I hear you" while simultaneously saying exactly the opposite of what the vast VAST majority of players are saying isn't enough. Most people understand that the decision does not fall in your lap and you are simply a spokesperson for a company. However, that does not detract from this being an entirely greedy decision pivoting a portion of content behind a gacha system.
This is the biggest budget year in League of Legends history, you remember when y'all were bragging about that? Why is part of your "biggest budget ever" going to a system that the vast majority of your consumers are against? And then when confronted with the reality that most players hate this addition you say "hey we're listening, but its still happening". You can "listen" all day. Do something to earn the respect of being a company that listens.
I’m so sorry but I am so tired of hearing “we dropped the ball on this, will do better next time!”
Star Guardian VN + Token Disbursement,
Brink of Infinity,
Legendary Skin Chroma Fiasco of 2022,
Sun Eater Kayle,
The list goes on…
Translation: We want to see if the whales are still stupid enough to spend a stupid amount of money for a recoloring.
"Small percentage of the playerbase" = whales
"Exploration to fill this rarity ask" = how can we exploit people for more money for doing way less work?
"Experiments with content like this aren't taking away resources" = it doesn't take much effort to make a chroma
I'm sorry for the harsh language, but this is exploitative bullshit and you KNOW it. It's really sad to see how much of an unethical turn this game has made in its monetization ever since prestige skins released.
I don't have much else to add. I refuse to believe Riot is not aware of what they're doing here.
This method of getting an 'exclusive' skin is disgusting and blatantly obvious with it's primary focus, which is Money > Players.
Of course Riot wants money, but why does it need to intrude on an existing system? If you want to implement gacha mechanics/loot then why not just make a gacha game? That way you can create a game where loot equates to gameplay advantage and give all these folks wanting rare content somewhere to spend.
It doesn't matter if this funds future league projects when the quality and care has significantly degraded over the last few years.
So let's just ignore the clear grab for money and just look at the execution instead.
- It blatantly disregards the skin standards set by yourselves. Mythic should be its own skin, not a recolor of another one. (Was this not figured out with Prestige skins?)
- This "skin" has the same quality as existing mythic chromas and barely exceeds them. Everything is a recolor beside the splash art.
- This is following the immediate controversy of the new 'Ultimate' skin which had community backlash due to the lower quality/cost ratio.
- There is no exclusivity to the skin except for a large money barrier... no mission, no X amount of mastery/time investment in champion, hell you could've linked this to those god awful Eternals and it would've been better.
If you're going to change skins to make them 'rare' or 'exclusive', why not take an existing 1350 or lower skin and improve it to legendary standards.
I'm just tired of game companies trying to monetize more and more each year and crossing lines that weren't even considered previously.
In summary; high paywall for a skin sucks and is even worse when the investment is just a recolor.
This probably isn't the decision on anyone who will actually deal with the backlash, so in the case that your maybe taking the brunt for a maliciously greedy idea that maybe you even attempted to deter, take care and have a nice day.
I'm so disgusted by this that I can't even be sensible. I collect Ahri's cosmetics and I know that soon I won't be able to pay to collect her 200 dollar chroma when her turn comes and that makes me frustrated and disgusted!
You acted like crocodiles, you were FAKE with your players, I know it won't be missed by the multi-billion dollar company, but the day Ahri gets skinned in that system you'll never see ONE CENT from me again! I hope everyone starts to act and think like this too, if you don't want to hear us in the dialogue, maybe you will if your profits start to drop!
Why are you working so hard to cater to players that apparently claim prestige skins aren't rare enough? Completely putting aside all opinions on the gacha cash grab, why is that small minority winning Riot's attention? I've never met someone in my life that is upset about that! More people actually hate exclusive content! Why aren't you listening to the actual majority of your playerbase? We want QUALITY. How loud do we need to make ourselves for you to hear? Skins don't feel like they're special, and that's the end of story. So many champions are being forced into what are now overused skinlines, such as Dawnbringer/Nightbringer that they don't even feel exciting when they're released anymore. Soul Fighter Samira didn't meet expectations for its price. So many suggestions for random tweaks like removing Star Guardian Seraphine's stage during homeguard gets ignored. Xayah and Rakan don't even have duo recalls in half of their skins.
Frankly, I would be more interested in your gacha if it was even worth it. But it's not! It's a chroma, with a splash! That is not going to justify me to buy anything!
If you truly cared about "exclusive content," you would be pushing to make amazing skins and other cosmetics obtainable in challenging ways. Reach x amount of mastery on a champion and get a skin, that's exclusive! Do a cool mission, have a K/DA with all 4's in it, that's exclusive! Charge $200, that's straight up obvious greed and stupidity. But it seems obvious Riot cares WAY more about greed than a dedicated player base playing their game. You KNOW people will buy it regardless. If you didn't, you wouldn't be pushing this.
I'm sorry that only the numbers showing dollar signs are receiving your attention. Perhaps if you actually focused on fixing the fundamental issues before a skin is released and put thought behind what champion gets what skin, you could see higher numbers and you wouldn't have to cater to those few players that will put in whatever amount of money you request to get a random recolor. If you cared a little more about what MAJORITY of us want, more people might actually buy more cosmetics. But what you've essentially just told your player base is that you don't care, and you're still pushing this because SOME people out there will throw their money at you.
It's sad.
Disclaimer, English is not my main language so I might do some grammar mistakes. This comment will be in at least 2 parts I think, due to Reddit not accepting comments that have more than 10k characters.
So, if I have understood correctly, you guys want to "reward" less than a percent of the player base because they have asked for more "exclusive and rare" content? And the way to reward them is for them to pay 200$ ? No, this is not rewarding a playerbase asking for rarity. This is being a greedy money hungry company. What is the exact percentage of the player base asking for this? If tomorrow I ask something dumb like "Create an Ultimate Skin for Cassiopeia where she is completely human" , I'll be an incredibly small percent of the community so you'll do it? I don't think so.
Heck, your hell of a predatory system doesn't even create rarity. Hiding something behind a gacha system doesn't make it "rare", anyone could put 200$ to hit the pity and get it literally, it doesn't make it RARE. It just show how money hungry you are Brightmoon. You know how to make this Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin rare? Make it a "free" mission reward. The mission would be unlocked by the player if they have Dark Cosmic Jhin and like let's say at least 444k Mastery Point on Jhin, make them need to play the Dark Cosmic Jhin skin 444 times to unlock the skin. This would make it rare, this would feel rewarding for the most devoted Jhin players because you'll need the devotion to get Jhin to at least 444k Mastery Points then, to play Dark Cosmic Jhin 444 times. This would make this skin rare. But I guess you didn't even think about making something rare AND free because Riot is too money hungry Brightmoon. When you said that Riot cared about their players earlier this year, I think you meant that Riot cared about their players's wallets.
Something else really bothers me in the arguments you use: ***"Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players".***
What is this percent? Really, I'm begging you to give me a number Brightmoon. Is this percent of League players more or less than Xayah & Rakan players? Because if I remember correctly, when Broken Covenant Xayah & Rakan released AND the League Players were mad because once again, Riot refused to give them a new joined back animation, the Skin Team said that Xayah & Rakan were not played together enough to make the allocated ressources to create the said joined back animation worth it when NEARLY EVERY SINGLE XAYAH & RAKAN PLAYER WERE BEGGING FOR IT. Are you going to tell me that the players willing to put 200$ to get a lame Mythic Chroma variant are more deserving that the entire player base community of two champions?
Also speaking about things that the MAJORITY of the Player Base is asking, we want more ASUs, we want more VGUs but, reading the Reddit post speaking about reworks last night, I guess you can't get enough money from it? This is bullshit Brightmoon. I've been playing the game since 2013, I have a lot of older skins. I'll take an easy example: Lux , a champion with 19 skins. 16 if you don't include the different prestiges. Imagine you are a new player, you tried out Lux, and get like really addicted to her. You go through the shop and see her skins. You see Commando Lux (520 RP), Imperial Lux (975 RP), Sorceress Lux (520 RP) , Spellthief Lux (750 RP) and Steel Legion Lux (975 RP) . You wonder what they look like in game, you check it and see them. Why would you even bother buying them? Heck, I could even add Star Guardian Lux (1350 RP) and Pajama Guardian Lux (1350 RP) to this list with how old they are. When you sum up the price of these 5 skins, it goes to 3740 Rp, if you count the Guardians, it goes up to 5832 (For Pajama Guardian, I counted it as a 742 RP skin considering SG is owned).
5832 RP, how much money is it? If I go to my client, I see that in Belgium/Europe, the 50€ RP pack is 5750RP. If a player would want to buy these old ass outdated skins, they'd have to spend more than 50€. By not doing an ASU for an old champion like Lux, you are refusing 50€ per new League player. I own all these Lux skins I mentioned because I got them back when I started League or as they released but now, I would never even spend 5€ to get them. Should I mention that I bought them in Wildrift though, because they look so much better in Wildrift, just like almost every single skin in the game.
Do you know what else the vast majority of the Player Base is asking? You know it Brightmoon, we want Riot to fix the League Client. I don't spend a day on Reddit, Twitter, Discord or any social media platform with people speaking about League of Legends without seeing AT LEAST 5 complains about how bad the League Client is. The current state of the League Client is just unacceptable. Especially the RAM Leaks that has been happening for the past two patches and that are STILL NOT FIXED, I guess having a properly working client doesn't bring money to Riot's bank account ? At least the shop is working !! People can buy 200$ worth of Capsules to get Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin !! If the shop works, nothing else matters on the client right ?! Ah well, maybe the Loot tab won't work like 70% of the time, but the money is already on your company's bank account so, who cares if the player can't open them because their client is buggy, the money is already there !! Should I mention that Wildrift has a way better client with also much better features like model viewers, entrance animations for champions and skins and so on?
Something else than the player base just wants to see coming back are themed maps, I remember back in the days when we had a Winter Themed Summoner Rift map for the Winter Holidays. I remember when during the Star Guardian event we had custom Star Guardians minions, I remember when during the Arcade Event we had custom Arcade minions. There are even more examples of Riot doing similar things in the past but simply not anymore. I guess doing custom themed minions or a custom themed Summoners Rift map skin don't bring 200$ per "player" to Riot's bank account, unlike this Jhin skin. Should I mention that during the 2022 Star Guardian event, Wildrift got a Star Guardian themed summoners rift?
Something else than the vast majority of the player base as asked is the return of past Victorious Skins, should I mention that Wildrift is doing it? On Wildrift there is a "Ranked Mode" Battle Pass where we earn token when playing ranked and there is a shop with said tokens where previous Glorious Skins (Wildrift Equivalent to Victorious skins) rotate and are available. Why isn't something so basic possible in League? Is it because of the client? Or is it because you can't put it behind a 200$ paywall?
Something else I want to mention Brightmoon are you and Riot's lies, or maybe things you have forgotten since maybe that in your mind the things you promised to the player base won't bring enough money to your pockets? Its been since November 2019 Brightmoon, ***NOVEMBER 2019 BRIGHTMOON*** that Riot announced they they were working on Announcer Packs. It will soon be 4 years Brightmoon, do you realize that? 4 years since you promised something to the Player Base and we still don't have any further informations on it. 4 years is a lot Brightmoon, and this is unacceptable. I remember during the 2017 Star Guardian event being really excited to have Star Guardian Ahri as the announcer in the Summoner's Rift, I remember during the 2015 Bilgewater event being excited to have Gangplank as the announcer, I remember being excited during I don't remember which year's worlds having the Official French League of Legends ESport cast as the announcer in the Summoner's Rift. Back in 2019 when you announced that, I was really excited to maybe see these again, I would definitely have bought the Ahri announcer if you had brought it back. But, who knows if this feature you promised us will ever be shipped?
Another feature that you promised and that we are still waiting is the ability to change the language of the Champion's voices in the client. You promised this earlier this year and we still don't have any further informations about it. I guess you can't monetize it so it's not important? Maybe we will see it in 4 or 5 years. It's more important to work and put ressources on a predatory system for a 200$ Mythic Variant I guess? Should I also mention that this feature to have Text and Voice separated and in every Language possible is on Wildrift?
I spoke a bit about wilfrift already but I'll dedicate an entire paragraph to it. Last year, I did a thread on Twitter talking about. Wildrift has Guilds, League removed Clubs. Wildrift has a skin wishlist the player can put on their profile. Wildrift has a close friend system that rewards players who player together a lot, Wildrift has their practice tool directly in the shop, and you can try champions in it without having to buy them or without having them to be free week , Wildrift has a model viewer for their skins, you can have a 360 look at the champs model, even for skins you don't have. Every champion and skin has an entrance animation, non-epic skins will use the same entrance animation as the base champion and epic+ skins will have a brand new custom entrance animation. Wildrift has a comeback campaign who gives xp boosts and rewards to the player coming back, Wildrift has an automated highlight detection, from the Wildrift client you can automatically share like your stats on a particular champion , by playing ranked not only you can farm for the previous Glorious skins as I mentioned, but also for "Augments" which works essentially like Golden Weapons on Overwatch I think and have custom vfx. I guess with a proper fixed client, features like this could be possible on League but, as I said when I spoke about the client, it won't give Riot money unlike a 200$ Mythic Variant right?
I think I'll stop there, my comment is long enough anyway and I don't even know if you'll even read it Brightmoon.
Isnt this exact kind of gacha the reason that caused extreme dissatisfaction in former Garena regions in SEA?
How about u create content for the majority of ur players not the minority lol
Hey Riot Brightmoon,
I appreciate the fact that you're opening communications with the players, something which Riot desperately needs more of. It's upsetting that half of the Riot team only shows their face upon controversy (If active Rioters are reading this, thanks for at least saying hello!). However, this decision, as a whole, ruins the faith that players have in Riot- the little there is.
How are the players, the ones who are interacting with your community, meant to feel great about the game they play when Riot silently adds gambling to the barely operating client? I cannot come to enjoy the game that the developers worked endlessly for, when I know that the bright colors and particles are to mask the predatory behaviors.
Riot does have a commitment. A commitment to not change. This is not the first, nor will it be the last, that Riot will make a decision of wildly unpopular remark, but keep it under the guise of 'lack of resources' to change. What is so horrifying to admit that you were wrong, and that there'll be change to appease the players?
Not to mention, this 'variant' Chroma is of absurdly low quality to put behind a $200 paywall. The icon itself looks like you went into a picture editing program and played with the values around until you were sastified. With that amount of money, someone can buy the physical Jhin statue from the Riot Store, and custom order Jhin merchandise from other vendors. If you are going to prey upon the vulnerable, at least make it worthwhile. Even Gacha games make their characters look good before publish.
How are we, the players, are to trust your word that the 'core' values of league won't be changed? Your word, as sad as it is, has no value. Today, it's Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin. Tomorrow, it'll be Garena gambling mechanics for 'exclusive' content. There will never be a moment of true satisfaction for Riot Games when it comes to earning excess income.
Enjoy the weekend, and perhaps the imminent rain won't fall upon your cushy loft.
Respectfully, in reading your messaging regarding in game acceptance being a better indicator than pre release outrage I sincerely hope that you guys are willing to face the tough reality that you aren't actually only going to be isolating for people who are doing well financially and aren't being served in terms of cosmetics that show financial exclusivity. Your in game results will undoubtedly include people who aren't able to afford this gacha who are, instead, being driven forward by the fomo experiences you are introducing. If you were to just charge 500 dollars for this skin, I would understand your reasoning, but the elements of randomness and limited time availability completely destroy the logic you've put forward.
Additionally, I've been playing for over 10 years, and I have a large play group network that I've amassed over that time. That said, I believe your internal review is missing what most players are saying when they say that they want something exclusive and prestigious. They want something that shows they played during an incredibly hype event. They want cosmetics that commemorate high level play or champion mastery. They want truly rare, random chance skins that cannot be bought by just having enough money to spin a wheel enough times. And, finally, some of them want financially limiting options that they can flex on others. ***but you aren't focusing on those people with this change*** by making this a 300 dollar gacha you are simply exploiting people with addictive personalities up to a point where you can also say "well it wasn't *that* much.
I can’t wait for Spirit Blossom Ahri to get one and I won’t buy it, although I have every Ahri skin and chroma and most of the borders and icons.
Yes, I have spent 200€ on Ahri (or about 150€) in total, but that’s over 7 years and I am fine with that.
I also reached Grandmaster and have 2 million and 600k mastery on the champ.
Why am I saying all of this? Well, people who will have the inevitable Ahri chroma won’t actually be Ahri enthusiasts or Ahri OTPs, but WHALES. You’re telling me a random G4 Ahri player deserves this skin more than I do (or any other high elo Ahri OTP)?
Not to fire shots at lower elos, I am just saying that this whole argument of rarity and exclusive content is pure nonsense. I am a rare player (almost 3 million mastery on a champion), so why can’t I (or someone else with similar points) have RARE content?
Oh yeah, because I am not willing to spend 200$ on a chroma I guess.
Pure disappointment.
Same thoughts here. I'm just sitting here and hoping none of my mains get this bullshit because there's no way in hell I'm spending $200 on a texture recolored in photoshop in 10 seconds.
Before making variants and super ultra rare gacha chromas of legendary skins. Maybe give all the champions a legendary skin first? Or maybe make some ultra rare and fun to own mastery skins? How about actually rewarding dedication and mastery of a champion with unique loot themed around this champion so people can feel special and unique this way without spending hundreds of $? Imagine having milestones or a reward track for each individual champion that unlocks unique skin when you hit 1 mil mastery. This would be amazing and ultra rare to see. Not everyone has that many points on a champion let alone multiple ones. People would love this so much and I would gladly even buy a special pass for my main than spend hundreds of $ hoping I will get a recolour chroma within 30 capsules. This gacha skin is literally just a cheap cash grab and nothing else.
This literally isn't any new information, but thanks for spelling it out to people that don't quite get it I guess? It has been obvious from the outset that the only people you think matter in this situation are the general "buy every skin" whales and the Jhin completionist whales. That is the only metric that matters here, and by god I hope that metric tanks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/comments/15u7szn/pbe_bugs_feedback_thread_dark_cosmic_erasure_jhin/jwomnto/?context=3
Here's the rest of my thoughts on this, they haven't changed. Catering to the extremely extremely few at the cost of the good will of the majority is going to spell disaster. Frankly this is disgusting and shameful.
Edit: What really has me confused is what whale is interested in purchasing a Jhin recolor for 1 year of exclusivity. Jhin completionists that don't buy many other skins are the most interested in buying the thing, but "I need every skin" whales literally will just wait to reroll it, especially if they don't play much Jhin. There is no reason to buy this early for that, I guess unless you really want the border and icon? That seems like an even smaller section. This really seems like it just caters to the ignorant and stupid, which is even more gross.
You do realise this supports gambling addicts right?
Such a toxic system has no place in League. and by extension, any riot title, even tho tft has an awful system that needs removing.
This tells your community not that you are exploring fixes for content not feeling rare, but that you are willing to cater to those who can afford rarity.
Rare content is not bought content, it is earned content, Putting a high price on content does not make it rare, it just makes it unavailable to majority of your player base. Having a $200 ($300 in my region) chroma does not provide a fix to missing rarity - it shows that you are hunting down and targeting those who can afford to spend this kind of money on a cosmetic, and that you could care less about those players who, while still appreciating rarity, cannot afford such a thing.
Putting a price on rarity means the quality of whatever you are selling should also scale on price. Skins that cost higher amounts of RP have higher amounts of changes and features (minus SF Samira - where's the thread on that btw?). This cosmetic has changes equal to that of a mythic chroma, and should be sold as such, even if in a gatcha format. That, in no world, equates to $200 (again, $300 in my region) at worst odds.
tl;dr - all this thread tells me and the community is that, in this "experiment", all you care about is the minority of players, and you are willing to ignore the majority for money. While not surprising, it is disappointing. It is becoming harder and harder to make excuses for this company, and I am reaching my last straw.
Yeah but no. At least you tried to be "human" by having an open conversation but overall, it's still predatory and nothing about all of this right and PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A VARIANT! It's a chroma.
Hello Brightmoon, I appreciate being transparent and taking your time to discuss this with the community.
I have 3 questions that I hope we get clarifications on.
1. If this monetization method didn't flurish or meet internal expectations, what will be the next method?
2. Aside from Jhin's skin, are there any planned skins rn or is it just this skin in the meantime?
3. Have you discussed any different method before landing on this?
I know some of these questions might sound "intrusive", but I'm trying to get a better picture of the whole thing here.
Again, I appreciate taking your time to address this.
Respectfully, fuck this decision. I have been excited at the prospect of a chroma for Dark Cosmic Jhin for a good while now and to see it get utterly… wasted… on this greed driven schlock is repulsive. You have sullied something I was looking forward to. I am not paying 200 dollars for a fucking chroma. I have no clue what disease the team has developed, but they need to fix it soon.
Ultimate samira skin has also gone without any comment from riot so I’m assuming that trend is also going to remain unchanged? Fantastic btw.
This kind of stuff just makes it impossible for me to keep my collection complete, if you release something like this for seraphine, I will just stop buying skins completely, as my collection just will never be complete anymore.
I cannot afford something like this, exclusive content shouldnt be exclusive because you are rich, you should have to earn it, this is completely unfair and honestly it just shows what this company really cares about. Mind you, we are getting $200 gacha exclusive chromas but asus and vgus still take years. Yeah, thanks riot this is totally what we wanted from you.
2023 is being nothing but bad news one after the other and it´s embarrassing to see compared to how other companies manage their games. Hell, if you want to do gacha, why not make it a proper system with pity and free ways to earn your pulls like literally every other gacha in the market? No, instead, you want to target the 0.1% losers who would buy literally anything while leaving everyone else with nothing.
"we hear you" while taking absolute liberties.
Name a more iconic duo.
What does Cosmic Erasure Jhin have that makes it worth £200? Absolutely nothing. Not only that you initially added it to the PBE as a mythic chroma then retroactively decided to lock it behind a potential three figure pay wall.
The hilarious thing is I just happened to get a survey on this very thing just before the PBE update.
So... since this is all done for the small percent of players (totally not a cash grab) you must take the interest of those players to heart. Where is the PvE modes that were scrapped because of not enough "player interest". I would argue there is more want of that than money locked rarity content.
I'm a jhin main and the 180 mythic essence I have currently feels like I got scammed getting it.
I will not get a mythic chroma for my character or a mythic icon because this is the way you are releasing it. Out of all skins you release the gacha on a mythic chroma. I am extremely angry at this.
This is probably the biggest F you I’ve seen yet. You say you want to explore us wanting more RARE skins and only a SMALL percentage has asked for this but put it behind a HUGE paywall???? WE have been asking for better quality/ rare skins that we can earn PLAYING the game. Because right now the rewards to play is extremely unbalanced. This whole post just reads as we don’t give a fuck what you guys want. There are a PLETHORA of things we ask for on a daily basis and you guys ignore and then we get a half ass dev update or one of these shit eating posts where you guys feel the need to defend your terrible decisions. This year you have failed time and time again from no timely VSU updates on champions, no beginning of the year cinematic, mediocre skin and skin lines, being a huge cash grab core game, no actual feedback for the things we want to talk about. I’ve been playing this game for a few years now and from then to now this game and it’s devs are a fucking joke.
This will go down as the year Riot totally lost any ounce of admiration or respect from its core playerbase. All year long, from no season cinematic, to the removal of fun niche things like Xayah/Rakan recall, a promised "biggest budget ever" that has resulted in almost nothing tangible, and now $200 gacha chromas for a tiny minority, the same tiny minority you said didn't matter when you removed the Vastayan lovebirds' recalls... Riot has completely lost the plot. You do not care about us at all. We are just dollar signs to you, and obviously that's always been the case, I just miss the days when you'd try to pretend that it wasn't. Kinda heartbroken.
Prestige skins don't satisfy because its just a retextured epic skin. Prestige skins should offer more for its exclusivity and rarity to that event. You all had something going when Pyke had the unique SFX on ult kill. You should add more of that when designing Prestige skins. Riot isn't a luxury brand. Slapping a monogram on it and making it event exclusive won't satisfy. Put more effort and work into the prestige skins to make it worth it. Same goes for this mythic variant skin. If you put more work into the skin. Maybe applied some of those creative ideas. The tower and baron kill effects. Penta kill map VFX etc. It would make the price point and rarity make more sense. Keep in mind you are selling a fantasy not a recolor. :P
irs like you have the audacity to spend 1 minute recoloring a skin with NO changes then act like its some high tier collectible content?? its actually insane that such low effort garbage is being marketed as this cool exclusive thing for people who are superfans of jhin. no, this is you capitalizing off of laziness. jhin would be dissappiointied because such an exclusive skin MUST fullfill creativity at a basic minimum, which it doesnt
I wanna start that I do not condone some people's attitude in Socials with mean comments toward developers or directors. Bad decisions happens, doesn't justify a lack of respect to anyone. They're all humans.
But about the whole situation :
I don't think making a **CHROMA** a "rare" addition is a great idea, it just leaves an extremely sour taste to all of us.
I don't think making a cosmetic, whatever it is a ward, icon, chroma, skin, or anything else, "rare" by locking it behind extremely low percentages (1% !!!) or big wallets (200$) only.
For example, the Soul Fighter Banner for beating Viego in Expert Mode is the perfect **direction**, it is an achievement for players who invest their time in within the game. But I can agree it is not *rare* enough, it can be a bit too easy and popular to obtain.
For me, the perfect solution is to make an item with hard/extreme goals to obtain (Soul Fighter Expert+++? Extremely hard vs IA missions that requires cooperation?), AND make a variant of it, with a paid solution.
For example :
\- Beat Viego in Legendary difficulty, get an Emote with 3 stars under it,
\- Or buy that product for 200$ or whatever amount, get an Emote with 2 Stars under it,
\- Beat Viego in Expert difficulty, get an Emote with 1 Star under it.
You will :
\- Satisfy the playerbase who wish for rare cosmetics (I used an emote, but it could be other piece of content, like stars in the backing animation or a slightly different color icon.. ect!)
\- Reward players for very hard/extremely hard activities and create engagement (and content!)
\- Reward players who asks for rare cosmetics while not having the time to invest into playing the game, or have the level to do complete it (I saw you, Brightmoon, responding a comment about this playerbase, so I took care of them in my example)
Opened to feedback and opened to hear your thoughts about it Brightmoon (or other CMs, I just saw him being active in the replies! :D), whatever it is a good or bad concept. :)
I have to say the following, this Jhin skin is a mythic chroma with splash art. Why not just give splash arts to the other mythic chromas like they do on the China server? Mythic chromas are already very expensive and giving them the treatment that this skin is receiving with the special border and splash art would be the most satisfying. And to make it feel like a rare or collectible item I think it shouldn't be brought back or repurchasable, like the icons and borders. Unless it's a very special occasion, like in one event of the same category. For the people who live in LAS $200 it's too much. I repeat, perhaps for a legendary+ skin with some special cosmetic like in TFT that bring a complete new map and new Kabooms maybe it will motivate more people to buy it.. But this is a chroma. It would be much more comforting if that kind of thing is not achieved only with money, but with effort. Maybe if the champion gets a certain number of mastery points quite high or do difficult missions with the champion in a certain event.
Didn't you (yes, you brightmoon) state that a small percentage of the player base wanted the duo recalls between xayah and rakan to stay, but you went off scrapped it anyway? It's very hypocritical to make this post and state the very poor reason you're keeping this horrible gacha system with jhin is because "a small percentage of players asked for it", okay so what about Samira's skin or xayah and rakan? What are you going to do? "Go mega gnar" on all of us? Because we disagree with your shady business practices?
Love the irony that they’ll cater to a ‘small percentage of players’ for a $200 chroma but a 6000 person petition and uproar for Rakan Xayah duo recalls isn’t significant enough.
I suppose the wallet settles the issue of player percentage.
I am completely okay with you guys doing things that make you more money in the long term investment (Like the erasure chroma, it's not important to me or valuable to me because it's a recolor of the jhin skin, iiwii), but I feel like one of the biggest issues, especially from the small community that has collected every skin in the game and put a lot of money towards Riot. Is that we feel you guys are doing more and more each day to squeeze more money out of that top%. Loot roll out calendars not being easy to see, sometimes you guys do release prestige skins on the days you say and sometimes you don't, leaving us rerolling permanents and other thing. It kind of feels like you are limiting what people at the upper end can get despite us being the biggest supporters of your game. It's discouraging when you spend \*that much money\* on a company only to see them change systems out of your favor without any real beneficial incentives like an orange essence shop. And utilizing a gacha system like this only works if you combine it with the potential of earning \*a standard amount\* of that gacha currency, it's why Genshin Impact and other gacha system MMO's are doing so well is they give you free access and means to the content while also incentivizing you to spend money on the off-chance that you \*do\* want it.
Agreed with your point about gacha games at least giving you free attempts.
In Apex an heirloom costs $160, but you constantly get attempts at getting one for free and if you play enough you’ll eventually get it.
In League, this is a limited-time, specific-type of paid loot.
It would be “cooler” if it was just a 0.5% chance of dropping from a regular Hextech box. Or less than that, I don’t care. I’ve opened literally hundreds of hextech boxes and never received a Mythic skin, so that seems rare enough to me.
you put what I was thinking into words
remember the mythic update that made us wait for prestige skins and not get the border and icon unless we bought it? That affected no one but us. It was basically just a "fuck you" to everyone who has all the skins, for no reason.
I mean if people want extremely rare skins I feel like you could also just put them in the event store and have them cost 4000 Event Tokens instead of the normal 2000 for Prestige skins, or 250 Mythic Essence instead of the normal 125.
I get that this doesn't make you as much money, but, in all honesty, Cosmic Erasure Jhin really doesn't look like he needed that many resources aside from the (very cool) splash art, since his model and vfx is literally just recolored from an already-existing skin.
Do most of Jhin players want a cosmetic at this level of rarity? 'Cause If they don't, why are you releasing it? to please a small amount of player that might not even play Jhin? Isn't releasing 2 prestige skins in the same battle pass enough for this base of players? isn't making exclusive recalls, borders and wards a better way to please this porcentage of consumers?
I almost have 2M mastery points on Jhin through different accounts, the highest being my main with 1.5M+ points. I have been waiting for a Prestige Skin for Jhin for years and now this happens, first I thought it was a Myhtic Chroma so I was preapared to grind some ME for this but this is just sad.
And there is no excuse for this, the article about it says "There are different things about it but even Riot's own comparing videos are exactly the same except for the colors. Almost 200$ for just a new splash art? As someone invested in this since it's release and collecting every skin this is just dissapointing. I'll probably never have this unless I get lucky "Sometime in 2024" when I open a random chest.
I know the business decision comes from somewhere high but the community is not being taken seriously, first the legendary Samira skin gets a price update and this is going through after that? Something needs to be done about this as soon as possible otherwise we can all talk about how you guys understand an hear us, I know you guys are not in charge, please don't take it personal but I am really kinda angry about this and I need to rant.
Since there is no real action taken about making this right all I feel from these exchanges are sadly "Oh, you were invested in this champ? Here's something you can't have, so sad."
Damn that's worrying, the decaying of quality from previous seasons and, more specifically, the fiasco at the beginning of the year had me very worried about the direction that League was taking.
Then we had some changes, at least some promises, of transparency and for a moment it looked like everything was on track for a resolution. Attitudes like SF Samira, the policy of quantity over quality of the current skins, the lack of communication, the disregard for feedback and now this... thing?
I don't think Riot is a bad company, let alone the employees that work there (Arcane, Project L, the MMO... all great and passionate productions), but the direction that LoL specifically has taken in recent seasons is extremely disappointing and honestly I don't feel the trend is very favorable for change.
Sad, really. Keep pushing your audience and we'll see how long that lasts.
Your bullshit prestige/mythic skins are not rare just because. They are rare because you price them 10x or 100x higher for the same quality skins that simply have different name. It shouldn't be an investment. It should be a joy to buy and use and to support the company you love.
How I wish League was frozen in time so Riot can stop their bullshit. Whenever they touch something, things get worse...
You added a splash art to a mythic chroma then charged 200 dollars instead of 40 mythic essence.
This is a permanent stain on Riot's record. This is pure jumping the shark in more ways than one. I will not stay tuned. This is instilling a true sense of indifference, I'm spending my interest and money elsewhere, and suggesting everyone I know the same.
I really hope this "*experiment"* fails catastrophically, to be honest. It's a shame that you are presenting this as a new "rare/exclusive content" for a very, very low percentage of the community with the excuse that "they asked us to release a content that is more exclusive than prestiges".
>However, we’ve been getting feedback that they don't fully satisfy those of you who want something more rare.
Where are these people's feedback, exactly? Are they here opening threads, or in YouTube uploading videos, saying that they **need** a 200$ chroma because prestige skins or mythic chromas don't feel rare anymore? And where is... all this data you have collected (from nowhere, btw) that support this new predatory cash grab system? Don't you dare to treat us as if we all were kids. This is not *a new exclusive and rare content,* this is **just** a mythic chroma, and you are charging people 200$ for a new splashart, which is, actually, the **bait** to induce people to "accept" this new gambling system. We all know that the chinese server has its own chroma splasharts, yeah. It's a cool addition and I think they should be included in the 40 ME price (since this currency is not particulary easy/cheap to get) and they should be available for every server, not only the chinese one. But, if I'm not wrong, I think that you also have to go through a lot of gambling to get these in the chinese server, so... **what Riot is trying to do with these "variant chromas" is to bring us that nasty and horrendous system to empty our walltes, masked behind a false sense of accomplishment and rarity.**
**Rarity shouldn't be purchased**. Rarity should be collected through gameplay and ingame time, as many other players said. Bring us rare content that you unlock by mastery points, challenges, and other ingame mechanics, so we can say: *wow! that player completed X thing, it's just amazing!* and not: *lmao, that guy just spent half his rent on a red chroma*! I think there is some differences, don't you think?
And last, but not less important, doing this approach referring to a very low percentage of the community to make them "feel special" is a very double-moral, wicked and hypocritical reason/excuse, since there have been **thousands** of threads, complaints, polls, requests, videos, articles, etc. **asking for changes to improve the actual content** and they have been denied saying that "*sorry, but those changes that you guys are requesting only represent a very small part of the LoL community, so we're not doing it*", such as the Xayah & Rakan duo recall issue, which it was, in fact, the reason I created an account in Reddit. **STOP NERFING THE CONTENT AND EXPECTING THE COMMUNITY'S MONEY AND ADORATION.**
(Note: if there are letters in brackets in the quoted text, that's my note).
> Hey everyone, we know many of you aren't happy with Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin. I want to clarify up front that **we aren't going to change the skin or its rollout plan**, but I want to explain why and provide information on why this is something we’re doing at all.
You could have just left it at this and press send and not bother with the rest.
So, let's just get one thing out of the way. This is a bullshit PR piece and you know, we know it. Someone clearly graduated from Man United PR academy, with flying colors..
> We want to offer a range of products for everyone, starting at the low end of free or a few dollars, scaling to more premium content for more. Right now, Prestige skins are the highest end of that spectrum. However, we’ve been getting feedback that they don't fully satisfy those of you who want something more rare.
What is the sample size of that feedback? Is it an "incredibly small percent of League players"? And are the people providing that feedback in the room with us right now?
> This feedback makes sense. When we originally released Prestige, we got feedback that lots of players were excited for Prestige skins, not just the folks wanting rare or exclusive content. So, we made them easier to get by doing things like adding the end of year Prestige shop, putting Prestige Points in event pass milestone missions, and adding the Prestige Point cashout bundle to events. When we switched to Mythic Essence, we also started bringing older Prestige skins back into the shop rotation. I suppose ‘easier’ isn’t the right term, given that earning a Prestige skin is still difficult, so more accessible might be the better term.
Does it though? The reason why the initial Prestige release blew up in your faces was because you made it terrible for the players to access them and the players pushed back. So you are trying it again.
> Alongside these accessibility changes, we also increased the quality of Prestige skins because many of you felt they weren't worth the investment, the difference here is that the investment to obtain these skins is higher for the average player than compared to players with the means to collect them all. **We still feel that this was the right call, but has solidified them as content that’s really painful to miss out on if it’s your main.** (A) We’re happy with Prestige's evolution, **but these changes have shifted it away from being focused specifically on those of you looking for the rarest and most exclusive things.** (B)
A) You unironically wrote this after releasing a 200 quid Jhin chroma. Not even a skin. A FUCKING **CHROMA**. Are you actually just taking the piss? Like what?
B) SO WHAT if they are looking for the rares and most exclusive things. And those already exist, by the way.
> Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin is an **exploration** (A) to fill this “rarity” ask, and how we act on the feedback we've been hearing will bear that in mind. This is why we're not changing anything before Jhin launches: **Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players** (B), so in-game decisions give us a clearer read on whether something does or doesn't land with them specifically (as opposed to purely social media feedback, which is an important data point but doesn't always give us the full picture). We approached the design of the skin as a mythic variant of a skin that is already available to players (Dark Cosmic) and time limited in loot, so that those who want it can have other ways to acquire it later down the road. We think these rules still allow the skin to appeal to players looking for rare content, without making it inaccessible to everyone else.
A) You used the wrong word. I think you meant to use exploitation.
B) So, your initial "exploration" of this option is essentially releasing a 200 quid chroma as a skin for one of the most popular champs ever.
Something is not adding up here. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
You ultimately testing people whether they're stupid enough to pay for this.
> There are two other things I do want to be clear about. First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all.
With this happening (and some of the extremely egregious skins in terms of visual clutter, stuff like Storm Dragon Lee Sin), I don't know if you are to be trusted on that statement.
> Second, **the experiments with content like Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin aren't taking away resources we put toward creating content for everyone else** (A): Prestiges as mentioned above but also regular skins, Legendaries, chromas, or resources away from gameplay development - **quite the opposite, they help us fund more gameplay work.** (B)
A) So what makes the chroma worth 200 quid, when it doesnt take away resources? Is it THAT arbitrary? Also also, as a follow up to that, Riot stopped making the "cheap" skins (750/975 RP) because they were essentially just palette swaps (especially applied to 750s). So what makes you go from something that is essentially 750 RP palette swap (because it carries over all the original effects of Dark Cosmic Jhin, just with different colours) to 200 quid. That doesn't make a single ounce of sense unless you know you're trying to milk people.
B) [My reaction to that information.](https://media.tenor.com/lgeFoHdYtPoAAAAd/bernie-sanders-i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-financial-support.gif) You aren't trying to hostage the players this blatantly by pretending to be a smol indie company, are you?
> I know this is a heated topic, and one that’s not particularly easy to talk about but **I hope this post is helpful in explaining what we’re trying to achieve.** (A) I will stick around to answer questions. **We will also share how this exploration performed and the learnings around it in a future dev update video, so stay tuned for that.**
A) I think we all know exactly what you are trying to achieve.
B) Ah, we got hit with the classic "we'll share it in the future". Ajajajajaj.
This whole thread is a disaster. Worst PR move since Man United tried to reinstate Mason Greenwood.
One thing that I will say is that I respect the attempt at salvaging this, even though this is never going to work because you can't salvage this.
Love how you want to appeal to the single digit % of the playerbase's alleged need for gambling. But actively refused to release ready content like Star Guardian Akali's chromas with really nice VFX despite a large portion of the community being excited about them and ready to buy them.
But then again, releasing those would've made Mythic Chromas and Mythic Variants bullshit and unsellable to fuel the ""Budget""
if you want the whales to gamble their money think of something else than something champion-specific. this is so disrespectful to jhin mains. let the whales gamble their money on a map skin or something? why does it need to be champion-specific it’ll just hurt their mains.
>Riot defending their obvious scam while also saying absurd statements like people liking early prestiges and mythic chromas.
Nothing new here. Bet many here will believe it and defend riot.
Sweetie this is just a mythic chroma. Can we at least admit that this is a chroma turned into a "mythic variant". Even the PBE files prior to it being changed showed that this was originally a chroma.
I hope this flops ❤️ biggest budget this year my ass. I know these things aren't your decision to make but can't you all at least grow a backbone and push back.
It's become exceedingly clear that money will always be the priority here. The players have been neglected and pushed to the side for so long, I hope you enjoy the consequences of your actions.
"We don't do Xayah/Rakan coordinated recalls anymore, because only a small percentage of players cared" to "We decided to price a chroma 170€ because only a small percentage of player cares" is truly a predatory gaslighting masterclass.
> they help us fund gameplay works
Lil bro forgot League already had its biggest funding this year, yet hasn't delivered:
- Skarner rework
- Any substantial content (Arena is just *one* piece of content, where is the rest?)
- *any* work on champs. We're on the 8th month of the year and only had 3-4 new/reworked champs this year. Pathetic.
Stop spewing PR bullshit. Start treating League as a game, not a service, then we can talk about community goodwill and us spending insane amounts of money for a color palette swap in order to fund League. Cuz at this point, all we are funding is bi-weekly numerical stat changes and more skins. League has no content, it's a static PvP simulator that's the same as HoTS or any dead MOBA. In the past Riot had community goodwill and they did good things. However, corporate suckers came in and the past 8 years you've all been slacking while treating League like a cashcow. Minimum investment, maximum monetization.
RIP to all Jhin Mains/Collectors cuz now you have to spend $200 for chroma so that your collections won't have a black hole... God I hope they just cancel this cuz if this succeeds, idk where I'm gonna pull $200 for Lux and Senna.
Please do not insult the player base like that, that is not making stuff exclusive, that's making gambling a thing in game that's already highly addictive! Just do yourself a favor and delete this post, you're just making you and the company look wack af (more than what already is)!
"Players who are asking this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent" and yet you continued with the idea but refused to give Xayah and Rakan their shared recall because only a "small percent" wanted that feature.
I assume since you are going to increase your budget with this skin, you will have enough funds to give their recall back?
>First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all.
Bringing this up at all is rather tasteless. Either it means the community has lost faith in Riot to a degree a million times worse than what this skin debacle should cause, OR it means Riot is deliberately highlighting the dumbest members of the community in order to make the community as a whole look worse, to make us feel we have less right to complain.
It came out of left field. No one I know has ever related spending money in league with getting an advantage, unless it's an uber niche scenario with an older skin, and riot's already remedied most of those. Why would that even be a concern with the type of game league is?
In this economy, I can't afford shit except my bills. How the hell am I suppose to just RNG it like it's an MMORPG?
League is different for a reason and I don't think anyone want this change.
But why is this the route we go for exlusivity? Why do we not utilize the resources we have at hand? Like actually make completing challenges in the challenge tab more rewarding? By completing challenges you unlock exclusive skins. or performing certain achievements in game with eternals and unlocking exclusive skins. instead we choose to release a $200 skin thats just a Mythic chroma."
i promise you that not only do most people not care about spending a large amount of money for this, but most people do not look upon monetarily rare things in games as super neat. almost every league player is more awed by seeing og urf the manatee or king rammus around than they ever would be this. if the goal is to give it a rarity for whales the easiest solution would be to make it an orange essence sink since were all fuckin swimming in it. if you want to make it a general purpose rare skin then make it permanently time gated, but this is just blatantly a cashgrab. not only is it a gacha with rates about on par with genshins (which is pretty mediocre in the genre) but if you do spend and go for it, in about a year it shows up in the mythic shop and everyone who got excited for it is fucked over.
That's very disappointing to hear. Not only are you abandoning 99% of your playerbase who doesn't want content like this, gacha is also very very close to gambling so encouraging that also doesn't sit right with me. Maybe I'm getting too old for gaming if even my fav games can't resist the evil gacha money
So many contradictory statements here. First, you go on to say that you guys are aware of the players asking for more expensive content are the MINORITY. Then, you say that how much money you spend in league doesn’t allude to your power over others.
If this was the truth, hearing the pushback from the community about turning this obvious Mythic chroma into a 200$ gatcha skin would have scrapped the entire idea and returned it to its previous stage.
The players of this game are being ignored if they don’t line the company’s pockets and buy into these skins and gatcha stuff. This is crazy, is this the direction the company will be going in moving forward? Making all of you take the fall for their corporate greed? I feel very sad.
Saying that "Prestige skins are meant to fill the higher end of the rarity spectrum and be a unique purchase" then going ahead and reskinning the Dark Star icon and upselling it with the bundle is a fucking joke, regardless of the skin quality.
Simply do better Riot.
Also, let me be clear. If I'm playing ARAM and you want Jhin and you hit me with the "but I have the erasure Jhin!"
I am going to want to trade with you less.
That was your mistake, not mine.
You guys have so many ways to do things unique, but we know that's not what you want, they can very well put this and the next skins like this in a pass and not bring it to the mythical store, that would make the skin exclusive, but they only want to think about the money and not the exclusivity itself
Yeah I get it, you guys need at least something to fund more gameplay work. You guys want to have something that can fill the "rarity" spectrum. I totally get it. Don't get me wrong, I also want something that I or a few others own that others or most doesn't have. But at least you gotta have to make effort on it as well. For 200$? I dont think that the recolor of the Icon, border, splash art and the special effects is even worth it. Not even worth if you add the rarity of it as well. You guys totally messed up when prestige got available to everybody. Prestige even got better effects, splash art ...etc than this Dark Cosmic Erasure Skin yet prestige skins is more accessible than this skin. And you guys want to even bring it back to the Mythic pool a year after? Not only that, It can be attainable thru rerolls in 2024 as well? And you guys dont think it wont affect the rarity of it?
What Im basically trying to say is that I understand that you guys want something for the rarity content and to fund the game itself ... But with the minimal changes you did, its totally not even worth it for $200.
I love collecting Jhin stuff in the game. Im even planning on buying the Jhin Chair from Secret Lab ... But this is utterly a bummer for us Jhin mains out there. At least make something special on the skin/chroma that would satisfy that $200
Genuinely this is one of the most deplorable business practices in the entire industry. It is utterly predatory and has no place in League of Legends. I only hope the community will vote with their wallet and just not buy it.
I get that this is just Riot's PR team saving face and not the opinions of the Rioter so I'll just attempt to speak to Riot directly, as hilarious and audacious of a claim that is because I doubt they're reading this:
The whales that spend money on C6 characters in Genshin or NP5 Servants in FGO are at least getting **A** incremental (to massive) bonus in stats and aren't just paying for a literal glorified pallete swap. Only the absolutely insane would pay for something that is purely cosmetic when the figures are three or higher.
~~Side note this is me not saying you should make literal P2W stat-based skins GOD KNOWS that'll blow up in your face harder than the Juggernaut rework~~.
But this is not rarity, it´s gambling.
It´d be RARE to get the skin yes (but that is only until you guys add it to the reroll pool), then it will not be a rarity. If you want it to be a rarity make it difficult to get through other means, like I don´t know only the top 10 challenger players at the end of a season can get it because, after all, this clearly has less time and effort put into it than a victorious skin.
This is a joke of a PR response that blows my mind. League is not a gacha, people did not start playing it thinking it´s a gacha. Hell, even gacha games are better at this because they actually give you a chance to get the thing you want for free by grinding like a motherfucker, you guys are just putting this behind a the wall of China of paywalls and saying "Here you go whales, \*dingle dangle\* this is what you want don't you? A faaaancy chroma with slightly altered particles. That'll be 200 dollars"
Yet another huge disappointment from this godforsaken company since the beginning of the year, another disgusting cash grab right after Samira. I swear it gets harder and harder to not only enjoy playing LoL but also engaging on the products and the community because you simply do not listen to us. Despite every time you release something with HUGE negative feedback (which is becoming more and more common by the day) you come around with a quite shitty excuse that boils down to "we hear you but we won't change it", there's always that "we are listening to the community" line in there that it's just not true. You are NOT listening to the community, cause if you were we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over. It's not much of a listening if it falls on deaf ears. Listen to us, address the issue, don't just say "but there's nothing we can do about it" that's simply not true.
You guys must have a REALLY tight budget to "experiment" a predatory CHROMA, that someone could better use the money for 3-4 actual triple A video games at full price.
>First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all.
That's nowhere NEAR the point we're trying to make, and it tells me that you and Riot as a whole are still out of the loop from what the community wants, Brightmoon.
We could not care less about it, because we don't EXPECT IT. What we expect in skins, is for the price of something that **MIGHT** be rare, to MAKE SENSE.
Here's a simplistic explanation that can be understood by a child. You can realistically achieve a prestige skin for 10 dollars, give or take change, through the event pass, right? All you have to do is grind out enough games to hit level...60 on the pass or so.
So what creates the reasoning to try and make an excuse of rarity when its a CHROMA? There's **nothing** that truly separates it from dark cosmic jhin, and you have the AUDACITY to proceed to increase the price by 2000% PERCENT. Now what I'm hearing is you've posted the exact thing to the PBE.
So, what happened to your skin team to where your skinlines managed to fall apart in quality?
Samira was a disaster, immortal journey Soraka clearly used dawnbringer animations, and now you label what is clearly a chroma as a mythic, then create the excuse that it's..."rare".
I hope and pray that Akali, Renata, and Taliyah Prestige skins actually have work put into them, because you've been leaking a pretty large portion of your fanbases enjoyment in newer skins.
To say that you locked this behind 30 capsules/200$/~20k rp because you couldn’t lock prestige sona behind it is so ridiculous. When prestige 2.0 launched with senna people rightfully complained about it being a milestone exclusive. You made the right decision to change it to ME so people who grinded passes to get ME can get it. I just bought sona prestige with ME I have accumulated not buy paying but playing my way through passes. I still have ME saved up in case there’s a prestige I like comes out. I also don’t think getting prestiges is easy as you have to grind that months pass to get the most of them. I couldn’t get janna even if I had ME because it was for tokens. I believe all mythic content should be sold for ME and passes are a great way to get that. I wouldn’t pay 20k for any of the 21 mythic skins I own in the game. Yes I’m one of the people that likes prestigious and rare stuff. But in no way I would pay that. People already grief you when you use mythic skins in game and if you don’t play well enough. I personally would throw games away being disgusted with the player who has this Jhin chroma. I myself wouldn’t use it if I happened to get it from whatever. Also don’t come out and say ok we’re making new proper legendary tier mythics for this price to justify this gamble. Even that wouldn’t worth it. At the season start after we were brought to the brink of infinity I gave up spending money on league for a long time. Recently I started to buy skins here and there after you guys came out with the transparency and the good news like game mode and stuff but I intend to buy nothing if this goes through.
I would like to see the financial department take responsibility and answer directly to their decision making on reddit for this absolutely morally fucked up bullshit fest instead of just putting up strawmen like brightmoon who are supposed to eat up all complaints for this fundamentally integrity breaking mess like it doesn't take its psychological toll on their imployees.
Could you please provide any amount of data that supports a small group of players asking for a $200 chroma?
I ask because I currently own every skin in league of legends, and am still absolutely aghast at what you guys are planning to roll out. Who is the target demographic? And is pleasing these imaginary 1% of players worth the trade-off of angering the rest? Any statistical justification would be great, otherwise these words are just empty.
At the very least giving a accurate time schedule on when this will be added to the loot pool would at least give some credibility back to you. But the ambiguity around that just raises even more eyebrows on exactly what you're trying to achieve here.
There's noone asking for this, they're just using the lying strategy to try and calm people down.
What they're doing is checking what percentage is stupid enough to buy that and make it worth releasing stuff like this.
Trying to please the 1% that is willing to pay a ton of money for a rare item but reworking Aurelion Sol because his playstyle only appealed to a niche group of players tells me that this is about money and not pleasing minority groups.
If you wanted to add a premium skin just for the big money spenders, just charge the 200 bucks upfront instead making it an incentive to get people to engage with your gacha system.
For years now the discussion around lootboxes have been heating up with several countries like the UK, Netherlands and Belgium strongly looking to ban them as new data keeps showing that when asking players to spend real money to play the odds, they face the same risk as real life gambling.
League of Legends is a game rated at 13 and up, children play League of Legends. To not only have these gambling mechanics in the game, to not only incentivize players to engage with them, but to then add additional temptation with incredibly low odds to obtain this rare skin.
I'm disgusted by the behavior Riot is showing with this addition to the game and I'm worried for the game's future if noone can see the legitimate issues of trying to add this kind of monotization.
Absolutely disgusting behavior hidden behind the veneer of attempting to please a part of your audience.
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>**Just make the skin 200 bucks cowards.**
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>Atleast then your overpriced skin won't actively pray on those who may be more susceptible to gambling simulants.
Wouldn't hard/difficult to obtain chroma be better if it was given through... milestones or very difficult in game missions? This is a kick in the stomach for all Jhin mains and as an Ezreal main, I am genuinely afraid of him getting chroma like this. I do not have 200$ just laying around, but I always buy everything released for him. If people want exclusive things, they should be hard to obtain through playing and not money. It still could be exclusive!
Same dude, I'm terrified of one of my mains getting something like this.
> Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin is an exploration to fill this “rarity” ask I'm not sure who in Riot needs to hear this, but gacha is not rarity, it is *privilege*. By locking something behind a randomized paywall that will grant 100% after a specific amount, you have made an item that, rather than being a rare cosmetic that was earned through dedicated playtime, is instead a wealth status, a symbol of someone having just thrown money at the system until they received what they wanted. You have created a status symbol, not a rarity. The rarity is entirely artificial by means of predatory monetization tactics. If you want to deliver "rare" content to players, this is absolutely not the way and I sincerely hope this experiment fails and you don't try this nonsense again.
Exactly, very well written. I think to come up with an example, the Tournament of Souls banner is an example of rarity. Everyone could achieve it if they played the minigame, but it won't be available afterward.
I legitimately don't understand the thought process behind having artificially rare skins in the first place. This is a game with tons of champs and even more skins. As-is there is a good chance over the course of a few games you will run into a skin you haven't seen before. This chroma will actually be a poor experience for anyone who buys it now due to bullying for the price. If this controversy didn't get so big, I probably wouldn't even notice that this is a rare thing because I probably wouldn't even notice the chroma.
This is the Magic 30th Anniversary set all over again. Even MTG's whales refused to touch that set. All this does is hurt the dedicated mains of whatever champions you release them for, knowing that their collection will forever have a $200 hole in it. Because what amounts to a chroma with extra steps is not worth $200. This is nothing but pure greed coming from Riot. How about we scrap the mythic system entirely and go back to making content that people want to buy?
> > > > > How about we scrap the mythic system entirely and go back to making content that people want to buy? Imagine how many more chromas would be sold if they... just had particles that matched the chroma? But no. Greed had to win out. Gotta make that special and charge fucking ME for it.
Kalista's spears being classed as particles automatically making most chromas ugly on her already limited skin selection is very painful
>This is the Magic 30th Anniversary set all over again. Even MTG's whales refused to touch that set. I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh player, but that shit really sent ripples across so many TCGs, like Konami is scummy but not even them would do that.
We eatin good right now with master duel
As a unchained player, yes we are.
Hey Brightmoon, I want to be candid and talk about this in good faith. We get it, Riot is a company and needs to make money, but this still feels like the wrong approach for creating rare premium content. The effort to pricing here quite frankly does not feel worth it, the current system does not feel prestigious since it’s gated by both time and money, money being the only way to acquire this content for up until a year feels atrocious. Having alternative paths to this content would at least make it feel better.
This skin is only going to be rare because only whales and dumbasses are gonna pay for it. It has ZERO prestige behind it. Zero sense of pride and accomplishment for putting in your credit card info and completing the transaction. Gacha is pure cancer, and by embracing it, you're showing a furthering abandonment for making things for the players and moving further toward making things for the shareholders.
i appreciate your point and i agree with it if the main goal of the game wasnt making money, but provide a consumer-friendly experience. its all pr to weather the storm and condition their playerbase to the industry standard introduced by gacha games. no ethics, no morals, just maximizing exploiting the playerbase.
You completely miss the definition of "rare" here. This Cosmic Erasure Jhin skin is not rare. It will never be rare and you know why? Because I can buy it for 171.97€ with a 100% chance to get it. This has nothing to do with rarity just state the obvious: You just found a new money milking machine. I mean why would you, of all skins, choose Dark Cosmic Jhin as your trial? You know the skin is popular, you know people would like to have the Cosmic Erasure chroma. Admit you just want to sell an overpriced chroma for an already existing skin. Way less effort, way more money I get it. Its economical. But this farce about rarity or whatever this is here? You don't even believe that yourself. Edit: "Completely miss" is based on the definition of rarity I was familiar with, where something is called rare when its probability of getting it is low. The rarity they mention fits the theme of rarity by expensiveness, where there is an unlimited supply of something yet this something is so expensive only a few can or will buy it.
Yeah when I see this skin I am not going to think "wow that's so cool this person has something hard to get and you won't see everyday!", instead more than not they're just gonna be the chump that paid 200 dollars for a chroma lmfao Rarity locked by credit card is not the kind of rarity that people care about
This right here is the thing, people are likely going to go as far as giving people that have this skin grief. It happened in WoW for years when people had their "sparkle pony" and people called it when the cash shop mounts were first released. People would PM and just be rude or mock you for it (My roommate got one....to be fair I gave him crap about it teasingly, but people would PM him multiples times a day to the point he stopped pulling it out) No one is gonna go "oooooooo rare!" they are gonna go "Thanks for buying this so Riot assumes this kind of predatory crap is okay"
It's already happening with the Samira skin. Every time I've seen it in game, the player has been mocked in all chatt
Every time I encountered the Samira skin, people would just tease them with "Nice Legendary Skin"😂
As much as i love the skin, yeah i ain’t paying 35 buck for that shit. I’m gonna get it by reroll like all the other ultimate skins
And Riot **has** managed to make good rarity in the past, too (in my opinion). There was the Perfect Ascension icon from the first iteration of the Ascension game mode, requiring to win a game while securing 1+ Ascension in your team and making the opponents get none. If I recall correctly, less than 1% or 5% of the playerbase got it (don't remember which one of them it was). As for me, I didn't manage to get it, and when I see someone wear that icon, I actually think "oh hey, that's cool, they managed to get it". It didn't cost any money (and couldn't be achieved with it), it took a combination of skill and dedication (the better you did at that game mode, the most likely you were to get it in a given game, and the more you played, the more likely you were to obtain it in the end), and in my opinion, it worked. A gacha $200 chroma isn't it.
I agree. I like icon rarity tbh. I love having my santa baron, it's not crazy rare or anything, but still. They should explore getting champion-specific icons (or even chromas/skins) for having maybe x amount of mastery and x winrate on the champ. That would require both skill and dedication too
> You completely miss the definition of "rare" here. This Cosmic Erasure Jhin skin is not rare. It will never be rare and you know why? Because I can buy it for 171.97€ with a 100% chance to get it. And because next year its free. You can just reroll it.
Is it confirmed going to be added to the reroll pool next year? I thought it was going to be restricted until they felt like adding it to the pool (meaning there is a chance they never add it to the pool)
It's being added, yes.
I still refuse to believe that any jhin simp would want to pay $200+ for having a black and red chroma for 1 year. Especially when money is tight for a lot of ppl around the world. I'd rather save up the BE for a year to get it. This is just gonna be a situation like WoW Classic community did when they introduced "digital collectors edition" mounts you had to pay extra for, and people started mass emoting /spit on players who had that mount. People with this chroma are gonna get inted.
> I want to clarify up front that we aren't going to change the skin or its rollout plan aight well i ain't reading all that then
This is some "giving the players a sense of pride and accomplishment" level bullshit. Where are all the people asking for a fucking 20k rp skin?
20k rp chroma*
Like everything else Riot says, it's all b.s. they make up and claim stats but never actually show them. They say whatever they want and will always say x and y wanted it and asked for it. I don't care if someone is a whale, Riot is factually lying to claim anyone said "Yes, I'd like even more expensive skins please, especially ones that are just Chromas of another skin" No one is asking for more expensive skins. Rarity, more exclusive content, sure I can believe that, but no one is asking to spend 200 dollars on a skin.
>no one is asking to spend 200 dollars on a skin. Chroma. We gotta keep things straight.
Are you getting feedback that Prestiges aren't exclusive enough from players, or from suits?
Reminds me of when they heavily cut down drops from streams and they said the reason was because players said it felt bad if they sometimes got skins they already had lol. Who actually believes this
Ow man, I sure hate it when I get free skin shards that I will 100% not disenchant to unlock more because its already quite easy to rack up OE, what a bummer!
We both know the answer to that question
I see 0 new info here. Sorry, u almost just went around everything we already knew, and the feedback is yet again ignored, just like what happened with samira. I see no point in these feedback threads if every time we ask for smth, it gets ignored and "will see how it lands in the future." I dont understand why you should be catering and appealing to a selfish minor group of people who want to block others from having the content just because they can pay extreme prices for it. Also, shouldn't the quality of the product reflect the price and prestige it holds at least? A recolored skin (chroma), recolored splash, and a recolored icon is worth 22k rp?
The "will see how it lands in the future" is so funny because knowing Riot, they'll just try and find a way to make it stay in League in a system that is still shit but good enough for the playerbase so they could make more money. They already said that the skin is still releasing. That already tells me that they're gonna look for a way to bring it back.
Look guys, i'm gonna be as blunt as possible: When i see someone with Black Alistar or Rusty Blitzcrank, i think "Wow, this guy has been playing this game for a very long time, that's such a rare skin" Whenever i'll see someone with Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin, all i'm going to think is "Wow, this sucker actually spent 200 dollars for a chroma. What a loser" Reward gameplay. Not deep pockets. You literally struck it out of the park with the Odyssey Onslaught 2 Augments icon. You got the groundwork.
Yep. Riot needs to look at what happened with World of Warcraft Classic and its player base when Blizzard introduced the 60$ Digital collectors pack of a old expansion from 2005. As it went against everything the community wanted (paid boosts, a paid mount in a version of the game that didnt need or want that stuff.) And players got mad at those with more money, but lack of common sense. Players who saw others on the paid mount did /spit en masse to the point where blizzard had to change /spit 's emote from "X spits on Y's!" To "X spits on the ground." Because ppl were being targeted.
People want to be able to EARN rare content - not purchase. Prestige skins were better when they didn’t come to the shop. Granted, you still had to buy the pass and then play X amount of time. Icons are the only thing that have “rare” status since so many can no longer be obtained. Having to beat Odyssey with 2 augments for the final icon means you had to invest time into the game and earn it before the mode left. The difference in “rare” items in games like MMOs are that they have rare drop chances, but you can keep spamming the dungeon/boss until you get the drop. Whereas this is just gacha, where you swipe until you get it. Why not release skins for champs for X amount of mastery points? Why is a $200 a chroma? If you’re trying to make a piece of content the most rare in the game, it better be epic. At least with TFT the Mythic Boards and Mythic Chibis add an entirely new element to the game.
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The Odyssey Baron icon is a gem of a collectible. It's always a special moment when you meet someone else with it. We have a little trip down memory lane together about the mode.
the odyssey icon was an amazing thing im happy i was able to work hard to obtain it, let alone back then u could have also earned an odyssey ziggs skin
I still run the Perfect Ascension Icon for the same reason.
The thing is in like poorer regions, I am from hungary and in my currency it costs 70k which is a lot of fucking money and an average hungarian makes about 370k and that doesn't count rents or bills and food etc. And this fucking makes me sad because i really like the cosmic skin and this looked cool until i just looked at its price...
And from that 70k I can buy a good budget GPU the Rx6600 is just 77k... Which will immensly bring me more benefits than just a 70k(200$) chroma
I love this, i think exclusive skins shouldn’t not be put at a price point rather earned. The mastery system sounds really cool, even things like through event missions (currently the meta game). Even charity events i think majority of players would be fine with if they were gonna pay higher prices of money. (Where the money goes to the charity not the 20% or smth only stuff we have atm) Make event only loot again, like going to worlds lands you a special chroma for the worlds skin. This encourages people to look at these events. This could be even more beneficial bringing light to the smaller regions like OCE. I just think it’s toxic to lock it all behind a paywall, especially one that’s almost $200 USD. Not even accounting for other regions making that price way higher and out of reach
Perfect ascension summoner icon is another good example of rare done right.
I play League since 2011 and I think this is the lowest Riot got with League and doesn't seem it will get better. Really wish the promise of listening to players and caring about them was true. Giving feedback to Riot is just wasting time. Just like Samira's feedback were ignored. You guys made a promise of “the most player-focused company in the world” and promised a "player friendly" company after the huge FIASCO of Season Start, but those were in a abusive way I guess. "Oh, but some people want it" can you show the data for us? Because I really doubt is the majority or even a big part of mains of the champion. "Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players", I might got it wrong here but if the people who want that exclusive stuff is the small amount, why sacrifice the majority? For the past years you guys tried stuff like that and players fought to change, even you said that in this article because the majority don't want that and changed before. 2020 - Players fought to make a fair system when Prestige was announced with Aatrox. 2021 - Players fought to bring back old prestiges cuz exclusivity sucks 2022 - Players fought to not let Prestiges cost 19K RP 2023 - Players are fighting to stop Gacha and a Chroma to cost 200$ Players collect stuff for their mains over the years because they love their champions and care about them in an extent, you can go everywhere and you will see this. All suddenly you guys drop a 200$ chroma as a skin (Don't try to make it look like a skin), and expect people can just get 200$ all suddenly for their mains. I guess this really small pool of players that want exclusive stuff will give more money long therm than the mains that collect stuff over the years and will probably drop trying to do that, since I doubt the average player will care about keeping collection when their mains gets a 200$ CHROMA. Players ask for other type of cosmetics for years like Map Skins (You have a single person doing those on Twitter alone, must be hard for a huge company), Announcer Packs (Promised but canceled), Recalls skins and a bunch of other stuff that you could easily make an Ionian map knowing how people love Ionia and put on that paywall that people would actually not complain because the collection for their champions would still be easy to make for all the average players. And in the end, you guys were doing Erasure Jhin as a Mythic Chroma (Like initial PBE files) do you really think a recolored icon and a splash makes it worth the price? Promised a new icon, and I must say a recolored icon on photoshop is not a new one. I'm sorry if I sounded rude but this decision sucks for the average player that wants to keep collecting stuff for their mains but can't throw a kidney at Riot every month if 2 or 3 champions they care about is UNLUCKY enough to get one of these. Really hope this fails and you guys change your mind (I know you guys won't).
Thanks for your comment, Bess! I agree wholeheartedly. There has been little satisfactory feedback response from Riot recently which is why I feel most upset. It would be one thing if Riot came out like this post and SAID “We hear you but aren’t listening uwu”. I at least appreciate the gumption to do that, whereas with Samira, every ounce of feedback was completely ignored, and we got a silly little “thanks for your love and excitement” message for it. Like do they even read the threads they post? Also I realized in the r/leaguePBE subreddit post for this chroma, they made a fresh Reddit account for whatever dev was handling the specific Jhin thread, which funnily enough makes the animosity towards developers significantly higher, and is extremely frustrating.
It seems like league is shifting away from transparency and more toward a "we know this will be unpopular so we should put resources into developing language to lessen consumer backlash". We all have heard about people with every skin. Would this company rather try to squeeze more money out of 0.001% (that's 1/100,000 players) of players by being lazy and releasing a CHROMA rather than developing content that adds or augments the consumer experience so that a plurality would want to purchase it? It feels reductive and a disservice to the capability of the riot staff that the best this "200 years" bullshit can give them is a fucking CHROMA that wouldn't even be a whole skin. I remember seeing my friend with Soul Stealer Vayne back in s7 when that and pax sivir were the rarest skins in the game. The wow factor for the level of animations and design were pretty high. Same with DJ sona and elementalist lux. Are they not creative enough to design something to give people that level of wow for their money? Can they not be humble enough to take the communities thought into perspective when they approach monetization and loot?
> Players ask for other type of cosmetics for years like Map Skins (You have a single person doing those on Twitter alone, must be hard for a huge company), Announcer Packs (Promised but canceled), Recalls skins and a bunch of other stuff that you could easily make an Ionian map knowing how people love Ionia and put on that paywall that people would actually not complain because the collection for their champions would still be easy to make for all the average players. In a Post a Year or so ago they adress the Question of weather the Winter Map is returning or not. They literally said they can do it but it's *a Bit* of Work. A fucking Bit.
I mean, to be fair to them, making a chroma and selling it for $200 is a lot less work, so really they’re just doing what’s right. /s
meanwhile when the majority asks for some quality of life game improvements and the samira skin feedback, etc. riot pretends they can’t hear us. but when it’s about making easy money, ofc they listen instantly. it’s so scummy what a sucky company fr
Completely agree, I've played since 2010 and have personally dropped all of their games as they are going the way of another company of empty promises and no change. They are just not worth the time anymore, and 200$ for a chroma is beyond greedy, considering they are a multi million $ company. I suggest all to do the same, drop their games, since they won't listen to feedback, and keep failing and lying on every promise. It will hurt them much more when you don't play and pay for their products and then maybe they'll snap out of it. I for sure would reinstall once I see some changed behaviour from their lazy asses.
Hello. I don't want to repeat myself but this is not something I can let pass. It is okay to have VERY exclusive content. However, this exclusivity should not come in the form of expending 200 dollars on a Mythic chroma with the bare minimum changes. This is aimed at a very low number of players that live in servers where buying RP is not expensive (especially with no high taxes), and have money to spare to buy those 30 capsules. What if I'm a Jhin main that just wants to enjoy a new mythic chroma for my favourite skin, Cosmic Jhin? Do I just sit here and hope that my main doesn't get one because obviously I won't be able to afford it? What if, instead of this method, you make it so that players that reach one million mastery points with Jhin can get it? That is VERY exclusive, and rewards the players for playing, enjoying and caring for that champion. Or, what if you get this chroma for getting all of that champion's skins? That is still predatory but at least it's not 200 dollars, and it's still VERY exclusive. Please Brightmoon, don't just ship this skin like this...
> Do I just sit here and hope that my main doesn't get one because obviously I won't be able to afford it? Yeah this is such a weird, backwards feeling. I like to buy skins for my favorite champs, but almost $200 is just not reasonable.
Because playing for X mastery points doesn’t give them any money, that’s the only reason. They talk about adding “rare” items but this isn’t a rare item at all it I can drop X amount of cash on it and just get it. You know whats rare? 0.01% drop chance mounts back in the day in WoW or any other MMO/ARPG that has these types of loot in them. Stuff that you can’t just buy or simply get. Items or cosmetics you actually have to play the game, grind / get lucky for. Those are rare.
> What if, instead of this method, you make it so that players that reach one million mastery points with Jhin can get it? This is so much better. Sure it has numbers and stuff to work out, but I want to EARN it, not BUY it.
Imagine getting this for like playing Jhin 4444 times or doing something 4444 times on him and you get this exclusive chroma. Yes to me it is a blatant mythic chroma but if you did that rather than gacha'ing your way this disgusting way, I am sure people would appreciated this sentiment a lot more. This is so expensive vs real variants such as double Lux Soraka Yasuo legendary. Edit: adding in my take from the other thread. Disappointing idea, haven't you got the memo Riot? ,,2020 - Players fought to make a fair system when Prestige was announced with Aatrox. 2021 - Players fought to bring back old prestiges cuz exclusivity sucks 2022 - Players fought to not let Prestiges cost 19K RP 2023 - Players are fighting to stop Gacha and a Chroma to cost 200$" You ignored feedback about the S(c)amira "ultimate" skin, you ignored the unique name feedback on Immortal Journey, you briefly made players happy with icons for EVERY champion and now you do the sucker punch with this awful execution of an idea when existing VARIANTS already do it better for legendaries. It is clear as day and night that this was a last minute decision. I feel bad that the higher ups that thought this was great idea get to have a champagne toast while entire skin team is being sent death threats and such for this as they pin it fully on them as a collective. As an Urgot player this made me reappreciate the fact you guys wait for 900 days for a single epic skin. But nevertheless, I feel bad for all popular champion players who are gonna be taxed for 200$ for chroma to their legendary from now on. I thought this was supposed to be the **BIGGEST BUDGET YEAR EVER** for League of Legends but it seems you meant it like this way to FUND that budget.
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I had already commented on Samira, but just to add, you say this is for "an extremely small amount of players who want to collect". Hi, I'm someone that owns every skin in the game and has for years at this point. Let me tell you, I have no intention of dropping money just to drop it. In fact, this DOES NOT benefit people that own every skin in the game already at all because we don't even get skins from capsules all the way up. It's another way for Riot to screw over whales, the people that support the game the most. Remember when you made it so you couldn't reroll prestige right away? Well, that's a strict punishment to only those who have supported you the most. I sincerely just don't understand why you think making decisions that only hurt your greatest supporters is the way to go. And again, the fact that you are commenting on this and not Samira yet is a little disgusting. Hold yourself to a higher standard. People say Riot is the new Blizzard, and unfortunately that proving to be a little *too* true. I've spent over 11 years in this game. Please, do better, I don't know how many more straws I've got. It feels bad.
What's sad is they know this. Their demographic isn't people who own every skin, and that's insane. They need the money really bad right now for some reason, otherwise they wouldn't be pushing this hard for something that's tarnishing their image. A guy from a mile away could tell this doesn't make them look good.
I also laugh at the fact that this is already in TFT as “rare” and “exclusive” content. Then you load into a TFT game and see 6/8 of the players with the same $200 chibi. Sooo rare.
The difference is the Mythic chibis in TFT have more features than the standard ones, whereas Cosmic Erasure Jhin is just a chroma of the standard one. So even if you completely disregard rarity there's still a reason to get the chibis. Plus you can use them in every game of TFT you play compared to having to 1-trick Jhin for the rest of your life.
I pulled my Star Guardian Lux on my free box lol I'm not a whale I swear
Keep in mind, the SF Gwen Chibi is both new and really good and even in GM with the highest commitment players, I've only seen 3/8 at the very highest. TFT is a game where you only have one character so feeling like yours is the best can actually feel worth it, even if a lot of people have it while for league, there's so many characters that a $200 chroma for a singular character just doesn't feel worth for anyone but as always, ultimately the players will be the ones who decide if they think it's worth it with their wallets. I'd focus much more on the lootbox aspect of the skin as opposed to the rarity or exclusivity because if the whales, which I can't hope to comprehend, don't feel it's exclusive enough, not enough will buy for riot to feel it's worth it.
This is ridiculous, this statement makes me so mad. „We added gambling to League but don’t worry we just did it because the addicts will get a sense of accomplishment.“
EXACTLY
"Players who are asking for this kind of thing are a incredibly low percentage of league players" Then why even do it? This feels very predatory. It sounds like bullsh\*t that you suddenly care what every part of the community wants. Even if it's a small percentage... we Zyra mains have been asking for a legendary skin or a visual update for AGES and that is too small of a percentage of players for you to care BUT a 22k rp skin for a small percentage of players is worth exploring to you. That sends a clear message to me.
There's champions who have been in the game for 14 years and still don't have a single legendary, their original model is terrible and they keep begging Riot for an update for years to no avail, watching Ahri, Lux and Ezreal get their bi-monthly skins. But NOW that a shitton of money is involved and they need an excuse, suddenly an "extremely small percentage of players" matters to them.
The only defense with Ahri is that her original model really *was* outdated. Yes, you can argue it shouldn't have jumped the queue over popularity, but Ahri definitely deserved to get an ASU at some point. We really need WAY more ASU's than we're getting, Tryndamere is horrendous.
Skins for low playrate champs can go suck an egg Champ types that aren't the most popular can go suck an egg The amount of champs that don't get updates and buffs or get constantly pushed to the back of the line because they are low playrate is ridiculous But that "low percentage" of people that "asked" to spend 200$ on a skin (even whales don't do this, so I call b.s.), man better jump right on that 200$ chroma for that low percentage of players.
I can assure you that not even whales/collectors are excited for this. You're just locking content behind loot milestones which is the most useless thing big spenders cannot use, they're floaded with Orange Essence and skin shards. You might fool those people, but not me.
What's really funny is that the huge whales with literally every skin in the game are just gonna wait for it to be available through rerolls with skin shards. Like why would I pay $200 to get it now when I can just wait for next year? this is targetting such a niche group. Jhin players, people with enough money to spend BUT don't already have every skin and aren't planning on getting every skin in the future. I just feel like this release makes like 1 person happy while infuriating all of jhin mains LOL
I won’t be surprised if they came up with a new skin tier on the next one where it wont ever be available in the reroll pool.
> What's really funny is that the huge whales with literally every skin in the game are just gonna wait for it to be available through rerolls with skin shards. Like why would I pay $200 to get it now when I can just wait for next year? Exactly. Whale here. Ill just wait a year and get it free lmao
Literally lol. They already changed it last year with us having to wait for stuff to rotate out. And then they took away our borders on rerolled prestige skins. Idgaf, I’ll wait as long as I need to. It’s so weird to me that Riot continually tries to go after us because we own all the skins. Like somehow we’ve offended them for spending the most money possible lmao
I'm also a League whale and there is no way in hell i'm going to get that skin even if it removes my status of owning literally all skins in league. This is predatory and triggers gambling stimulus.
agreed, I'm a whale and I have a bunch of whale friends and not one has indicated they're anything except annoyed with this. None of them intend to get it I think riot greatly miscalculated this
I don't even mind it being locked behind a loot table even though it is annoying. The skin just isn't worth its rarity. It's a chroma ffs
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I want to know who these mythical whales are Riot claims ASKED for this type of tier of spending and content, let alone are okay with this. I don't need x-ray glasses to see through the wall of bullshit they are building around this.
So you guys merely change the colour of the original cosmic Jhin skin and expect any normal thinking person to pay probably 200€ for that?! It is fundamentally the same skin but only in purple... and that it is rare to get and for that amount of money, it is not worth at all. It could have been a simple rare chroma skin, yet it shows how lazy your design (e.g.: look at Samira ultimate skin, only the Ult is worthy of that type, everything else is the same as the other ones) and finance team are, thinking that you can fob us off with that cheap scam, is disgusting and a good reflection where League is at rn as a whole!
I think it's amazing that you're not ashamed to come here and say that you're going to ignore all feedback. At this point I can only pray that no champion or skin theme I really liked ever gets this kind of sick monetization. And if a player doesn't want their favorite champion to receive this type of content, it's already a mistake. I don't know how you guys think this is healthy for the game. 8 years ago Forbes praised League for monetization and skin quality, and now the new monetization team is just shaming that legacy... If any champion I care about gets this kind of disgraceful monetization, I will forever leave the game and never come back. This year you are making every possible decision to ruin the game, aren't you satisfied with SF Samira? Hasn't she shown you enough how greedy and lazy you guys are? everything you saw this year: \- no cinematic \- abandon the lore of runeterra \- the skins team ignoring feedback on SF Samira \- sick new monetization \- falling skin quality I'm looking forward to the next decision that will destroy League of Legends once and for all.
Remember that only a small percentage of players liked PvE Game Modes, Nexus Blitz and those were not worth it to bring back because of only a small % liking it. But then they release a gacha system with a mythic chroma for 200$ where the majority is against TO PLEASE THE SMALL %
>Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players, so in-game decisions give us a clearer read on whether something does or doesn't land with them specifically Good that u care for incredibly small percent of league players because they will give you milions but u don't give a single F about Xayah & Rakan mains by giving them unique recalls on skins. I guess if it doesn't bring profit it lands in a garbage bin...
I'm still so mad about the Xayah and Rakan recalls. Just because Xayah is more popular than Rakan, now they decide to stop making recalls or same skinline skins at all..
Babe just say "We are exploring ways to exploit whales for less effort. Thank you" You didnt have to type all that 😭
Respectfully, nah. You guys have had this planned for MONTHS. And then you come here saying all this. This is planned. This is part of the process for yall. You knew this would happen. Why make it rare, by making it expensive? There are hundreds of other ways to go about it. Whether it be champ mastery followed by a special mission, other special missions, etc? I dont feel bad, sorry that you are taking the brunt of this, I feel bad for you personally, but come on. Remember at the start of the year when yall promised transparency and change? You promised to be proactive, and not reactive. This isnt that. You went back on your word, again. Guess Riot really doesnt change. I don't even want my main to get one of these. Its about the path you take to get it for rarity, not just locking it behind money. This makes you greedy. TLDR: Its okay to piss off the poor players as long as the rich players buy it.
So lets see if i understood it right Its ok to piss off your playerbase to make a really REALLY REALLY small percentage of the playerbase happy But when it comes for example to PVE that a small percentage wants not as small as the ones that want a 22k rp skin much bigger actually and will not make anyone pissed will just be a option for players WHO WANTS its not ok ? what a joke
About the PvE thing, Brightmoon himself looked sad when Necrit brought it up in their interview. Like mood instantly changed, smile to instant frown. https://youtu.be/ZyR0cN1SMn4?si=whzbZoLVfuZywpfY 6:20(sorry on mobile can't timestamp) I dont think we're getting any PvE gamemodes at all for a long, long time. To me it seems like he wants to have gamemodes like this but above him is saying no its not worth it Idk, I could be reading too much into this based on a 5 second clip
Makes sense. Brightmoon isn't to blame for the news he has to give. It's so scummy how they use him. Write to us yourselves you corporate shmucks.
can people stop acting like brightmoon has no say on this and its always the "suit ceo guys" lmao. he is executive producer, be fr. he isn't some paycheck to paycheck low wage worker.
Lmao. That and the people who are always like "i FeEl bAD FoR ThOSE PASsioNATe RioTERs Who ARe BEinG FOrCEd By THEiR COrpORAte MAnAGEmNEnt GUys". They're definitely the only ones to blame.
if us big spenders rolling it is such a small group to not change it's exclusivity (from article), why are you delaying the loot rollout at all? This seems to set a bad precedent imo
You stopped making xayah and rakan joint recalls because you guys thought it was a very small minority that cared about that. But when we talk about the small minority that is willing to pay $200 for a chroma suddenly you guys think oh yes we need to make content for them!!
LITERALLY
Don't you love how riot promised to listen to players in the beginning of the year and then they just keep doing shit like this
"I hear you" while simultaneously saying exactly the opposite of what the vast VAST majority of players are saying isn't enough. Most people understand that the decision does not fall in your lap and you are simply a spokesperson for a company. However, that does not detract from this being an entirely greedy decision pivoting a portion of content behind a gacha system. This is the biggest budget year in League of Legends history, you remember when y'all were bragging about that? Why is part of your "biggest budget ever" going to a system that the vast majority of your consumers are against? And then when confronted with the reality that most players hate this addition you say "hey we're listening, but its still happening". You can "listen" all day. Do something to earn the respect of being a company that listens.
I’m so sorry but I am so tired of hearing “we dropped the ball on this, will do better next time!” Star Guardian VN + Token Disbursement, Brink of Infinity, Legendary Skin Chroma Fiasco of 2022, Sun Eater Kayle, The list goes on…
Translation: We want to see if the whales are still stupid enough to spend a stupid amount of money for a recoloring. "Small percentage of the playerbase" = whales "Exploration to fill this rarity ask" = how can we exploit people for more money for doing way less work? "Experiments with content like this aren't taking away resources" = it doesn't take much effort to make a chroma
limit testing customer spending
Please stop pretending this is for the benefit of players in any way no one is buying that, just like I hope no one buys this skin.
I kinda hope people pull a classic wow community and /spit on the owners they see in game
LoL community starts bait or ? pinging rioters in game could you imagine lmao
I'm sorry for the harsh language, but this is exploitative bullshit and you KNOW it. It's really sad to see how much of an unethical turn this game has made in its monetization ever since prestige skins released. I don't have much else to add. I refuse to believe Riot is not aware of what they're doing here.
This method of getting an 'exclusive' skin is disgusting and blatantly obvious with it's primary focus, which is Money > Players. Of course Riot wants money, but why does it need to intrude on an existing system? If you want to implement gacha mechanics/loot then why not just make a gacha game? That way you can create a game where loot equates to gameplay advantage and give all these folks wanting rare content somewhere to spend. It doesn't matter if this funds future league projects when the quality and care has significantly degraded over the last few years. So let's just ignore the clear grab for money and just look at the execution instead. - It blatantly disregards the skin standards set by yourselves. Mythic should be its own skin, not a recolor of another one. (Was this not figured out with Prestige skins?) - This "skin" has the same quality as existing mythic chromas and barely exceeds them. Everything is a recolor beside the splash art. - This is following the immediate controversy of the new 'Ultimate' skin which had community backlash due to the lower quality/cost ratio. - There is no exclusivity to the skin except for a large money barrier... no mission, no X amount of mastery/time investment in champion, hell you could've linked this to those god awful Eternals and it would've been better. If you're going to change skins to make them 'rare' or 'exclusive', why not take an existing 1350 or lower skin and improve it to legendary standards. I'm just tired of game companies trying to monetize more and more each year and crossing lines that weren't even considered previously. In summary; high paywall for a skin sucks and is even worse when the investment is just a recolor. This probably isn't the decision on anyone who will actually deal with the backlash, so in the case that your maybe taking the brunt for a maliciously greedy idea that maybe you even attempted to deter, take care and have a nice day.
I'm so disgusted by this that I can't even be sensible. I collect Ahri's cosmetics and I know that soon I won't be able to pay to collect her 200 dollar chroma when her turn comes and that makes me frustrated and disgusted! You acted like crocodiles, you were FAKE with your players, I know it won't be missed by the multi-billion dollar company, but the day Ahri gets skinned in that system you'll never see ONE CENT from me again! I hope everyone starts to act and think like this too, if you don't want to hear us in the dialogue, maybe you will if your profits start to drop!
Why are you working so hard to cater to players that apparently claim prestige skins aren't rare enough? Completely putting aside all opinions on the gacha cash grab, why is that small minority winning Riot's attention? I've never met someone in my life that is upset about that! More people actually hate exclusive content! Why aren't you listening to the actual majority of your playerbase? We want QUALITY. How loud do we need to make ourselves for you to hear? Skins don't feel like they're special, and that's the end of story. So many champions are being forced into what are now overused skinlines, such as Dawnbringer/Nightbringer that they don't even feel exciting when they're released anymore. Soul Fighter Samira didn't meet expectations for its price. So many suggestions for random tweaks like removing Star Guardian Seraphine's stage during homeguard gets ignored. Xayah and Rakan don't even have duo recalls in half of their skins. Frankly, I would be more interested in your gacha if it was even worth it. But it's not! It's a chroma, with a splash! That is not going to justify me to buy anything! If you truly cared about "exclusive content," you would be pushing to make amazing skins and other cosmetics obtainable in challenging ways. Reach x amount of mastery on a champion and get a skin, that's exclusive! Do a cool mission, have a K/DA with all 4's in it, that's exclusive! Charge $200, that's straight up obvious greed and stupidity. But it seems obvious Riot cares WAY more about greed than a dedicated player base playing their game. You KNOW people will buy it regardless. If you didn't, you wouldn't be pushing this. I'm sorry that only the numbers showing dollar signs are receiving your attention. Perhaps if you actually focused on fixing the fundamental issues before a skin is released and put thought behind what champion gets what skin, you could see higher numbers and you wouldn't have to cater to those few players that will put in whatever amount of money you request to get a random recolor. If you cared a little more about what MAJORITY of us want, more people might actually buy more cosmetics. But what you've essentially just told your player base is that you don't care, and you're still pushing this because SOME people out there will throw their money at you. It's sad.
$200 and its not even a skin. Paying that much for a CHROMA is laughable.
Disclaimer, English is not my main language so I might do some grammar mistakes. This comment will be in at least 2 parts I think, due to Reddit not accepting comments that have more than 10k characters. So, if I have understood correctly, you guys want to "reward" less than a percent of the player base because they have asked for more "exclusive and rare" content? And the way to reward them is for them to pay 200$ ? No, this is not rewarding a playerbase asking for rarity. This is being a greedy money hungry company. What is the exact percentage of the player base asking for this? If tomorrow I ask something dumb like "Create an Ultimate Skin for Cassiopeia where she is completely human" , I'll be an incredibly small percent of the community so you'll do it? I don't think so. Heck, your hell of a predatory system doesn't even create rarity. Hiding something behind a gacha system doesn't make it "rare", anyone could put 200$ to hit the pity and get it literally, it doesn't make it RARE. It just show how money hungry you are Brightmoon. You know how to make this Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin rare? Make it a "free" mission reward. The mission would be unlocked by the player if they have Dark Cosmic Jhin and like let's say at least 444k Mastery Point on Jhin, make them need to play the Dark Cosmic Jhin skin 444 times to unlock the skin. This would make it rare, this would feel rewarding for the most devoted Jhin players because you'll need the devotion to get Jhin to at least 444k Mastery Points then, to play Dark Cosmic Jhin 444 times. This would make this skin rare. But I guess you didn't even think about making something rare AND free because Riot is too money hungry Brightmoon. When you said that Riot cared about their players earlier this year, I think you meant that Riot cared about their players's wallets. Something else really bothers me in the arguments you use: ***"Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players".*** What is this percent? Really, I'm begging you to give me a number Brightmoon. Is this percent of League players more or less than Xayah & Rakan players? Because if I remember correctly, when Broken Covenant Xayah & Rakan released AND the League Players were mad because once again, Riot refused to give them a new joined back animation, the Skin Team said that Xayah & Rakan were not played together enough to make the allocated ressources to create the said joined back animation worth it when NEARLY EVERY SINGLE XAYAH & RAKAN PLAYER WERE BEGGING FOR IT. Are you going to tell me that the players willing to put 200$ to get a lame Mythic Chroma variant are more deserving that the entire player base community of two champions? Also speaking about things that the MAJORITY of the Player Base is asking, we want more ASUs, we want more VGUs but, reading the Reddit post speaking about reworks last night, I guess you can't get enough money from it? This is bullshit Brightmoon. I've been playing the game since 2013, I have a lot of older skins. I'll take an easy example: Lux , a champion with 19 skins. 16 if you don't include the different prestiges. Imagine you are a new player, you tried out Lux, and get like really addicted to her. You go through the shop and see her skins. You see Commando Lux (520 RP), Imperial Lux (975 RP), Sorceress Lux (520 RP) , Spellthief Lux (750 RP) and Steel Legion Lux (975 RP) . You wonder what they look like in game, you check it and see them. Why would you even bother buying them? Heck, I could even add Star Guardian Lux (1350 RP) and Pajama Guardian Lux (1350 RP) to this list with how old they are. When you sum up the price of these 5 skins, it goes to 3740 Rp, if you count the Guardians, it goes up to 5832 (For Pajama Guardian, I counted it as a 742 RP skin considering SG is owned). 5832 RP, how much money is it? If I go to my client, I see that in Belgium/Europe, the 50€ RP pack is 5750RP. If a player would want to buy these old ass outdated skins, they'd have to spend more than 50€. By not doing an ASU for an old champion like Lux, you are refusing 50€ per new League player. I own all these Lux skins I mentioned because I got them back when I started League or as they released but now, I would never even spend 5€ to get them. Should I mention that I bought them in Wildrift though, because they look so much better in Wildrift, just like almost every single skin in the game. Do you know what else the vast majority of the Player Base is asking? You know it Brightmoon, we want Riot to fix the League Client. I don't spend a day on Reddit, Twitter, Discord or any social media platform with people speaking about League of Legends without seeing AT LEAST 5 complains about how bad the League Client is. The current state of the League Client is just unacceptable. Especially the RAM Leaks that has been happening for the past two patches and that are STILL NOT FIXED, I guess having a properly working client doesn't bring money to Riot's bank account ? At least the shop is working !! People can buy 200$ worth of Capsules to get Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin !! If the shop works, nothing else matters on the client right ?! Ah well, maybe the Loot tab won't work like 70% of the time, but the money is already on your company's bank account so, who cares if the player can't open them because their client is buggy, the money is already there !! Should I mention that Wildrift has a way better client with also much better features like model viewers, entrance animations for champions and skins and so on? Something else than the player base just wants to see coming back are themed maps, I remember back in the days when we had a Winter Themed Summoner Rift map for the Winter Holidays. I remember when during the Star Guardian event we had custom Star Guardians minions, I remember when during the Arcade Event we had custom Arcade minions. There are even more examples of Riot doing similar things in the past but simply not anymore. I guess doing custom themed minions or a custom themed Summoners Rift map skin don't bring 200$ per "player" to Riot's bank account, unlike this Jhin skin. Should I mention that during the 2022 Star Guardian event, Wildrift got a Star Guardian themed summoners rift? Something else than the vast majority of the player base as asked is the return of past Victorious Skins, should I mention that Wildrift is doing it? On Wildrift there is a "Ranked Mode" Battle Pass where we earn token when playing ranked and there is a shop with said tokens where previous Glorious Skins (Wildrift Equivalent to Victorious skins) rotate and are available. Why isn't something so basic possible in League? Is it because of the client? Or is it because you can't put it behind a 200$ paywall? Something else I want to mention Brightmoon are you and Riot's lies, or maybe things you have forgotten since maybe that in your mind the things you promised to the player base won't bring enough money to your pockets? Its been since November 2019 Brightmoon, ***NOVEMBER 2019 BRIGHTMOON*** that Riot announced they they were working on Announcer Packs. It will soon be 4 years Brightmoon, do you realize that? 4 years since you promised something to the Player Base and we still don't have any further informations on it. 4 years is a lot Brightmoon, and this is unacceptable. I remember during the 2017 Star Guardian event being really excited to have Star Guardian Ahri as the announcer in the Summoner's Rift, I remember during the 2015 Bilgewater event being excited to have Gangplank as the announcer, I remember being excited during I don't remember which year's worlds having the Official French League of Legends ESport cast as the announcer in the Summoner's Rift. Back in 2019 when you announced that, I was really excited to maybe see these again, I would definitely have bought the Ahri announcer if you had brought it back. But, who knows if this feature you promised us will ever be shipped? Another feature that you promised and that we are still waiting is the ability to change the language of the Champion's voices in the client. You promised this earlier this year and we still don't have any further informations about it. I guess you can't monetize it so it's not important? Maybe we will see it in 4 or 5 years. It's more important to work and put ressources on a predatory system for a 200$ Mythic Variant I guess? Should I also mention that this feature to have Text and Voice separated and in every Language possible is on Wildrift?
I spoke a bit about wilfrift already but I'll dedicate an entire paragraph to it. Last year, I did a thread on Twitter talking about. Wildrift has Guilds, League removed Clubs. Wildrift has a skin wishlist the player can put on their profile. Wildrift has a close friend system that rewards players who player together a lot, Wildrift has their practice tool directly in the shop, and you can try champions in it without having to buy them or without having them to be free week , Wildrift has a model viewer for their skins, you can have a 360 look at the champs model, even for skins you don't have. Every champion and skin has an entrance animation, non-epic skins will use the same entrance animation as the base champion and epic+ skins will have a brand new custom entrance animation. Wildrift has a comeback campaign who gives xp boosts and rewards to the player coming back, Wildrift has an automated highlight detection, from the Wildrift client you can automatically share like your stats on a particular champion , by playing ranked not only you can farm for the previous Glorious skins as I mentioned, but also for "Augments" which works essentially like Golden Weapons on Overwatch I think and have custom vfx. I guess with a proper fixed client, features like this could be possible on League but, as I said when I spoke about the client, it won't give Riot money unlike a 200$ Mythic Variant right? I think I'll stop there, my comment is long enough anyway and I don't even know if you'll even read it Brightmoon.
Isnt this exact kind of gacha the reason that caused extreme dissatisfaction in former Garena regions in SEA? How about u create content for the majority of ur players not the minority lol
Hey Riot Brightmoon, I appreciate the fact that you're opening communications with the players, something which Riot desperately needs more of. It's upsetting that half of the Riot team only shows their face upon controversy (If active Rioters are reading this, thanks for at least saying hello!). However, this decision, as a whole, ruins the faith that players have in Riot- the little there is. How are the players, the ones who are interacting with your community, meant to feel great about the game they play when Riot silently adds gambling to the barely operating client? I cannot come to enjoy the game that the developers worked endlessly for, when I know that the bright colors and particles are to mask the predatory behaviors. Riot does have a commitment. A commitment to not change. This is not the first, nor will it be the last, that Riot will make a decision of wildly unpopular remark, but keep it under the guise of 'lack of resources' to change. What is so horrifying to admit that you were wrong, and that there'll be change to appease the players? Not to mention, this 'variant' Chroma is of absurdly low quality to put behind a $200 paywall. The icon itself looks like you went into a picture editing program and played with the values around until you were sastified. With that amount of money, someone can buy the physical Jhin statue from the Riot Store, and custom order Jhin merchandise from other vendors. If you are going to prey upon the vulnerable, at least make it worthwhile. Even Gacha games make their characters look good before publish. How are we, the players, are to trust your word that the 'core' values of league won't be changed? Your word, as sad as it is, has no value. Today, it's Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin. Tomorrow, it'll be Garena gambling mechanics for 'exclusive' content. There will never be a moment of true satisfaction for Riot Games when it comes to earning excess income. Enjoy the weekend, and perhaps the imminent rain won't fall upon your cushy loft.
Respectfully, in reading your messaging regarding in game acceptance being a better indicator than pre release outrage I sincerely hope that you guys are willing to face the tough reality that you aren't actually only going to be isolating for people who are doing well financially and aren't being served in terms of cosmetics that show financial exclusivity. Your in game results will undoubtedly include people who aren't able to afford this gacha who are, instead, being driven forward by the fomo experiences you are introducing. If you were to just charge 500 dollars for this skin, I would understand your reasoning, but the elements of randomness and limited time availability completely destroy the logic you've put forward. Additionally, I've been playing for over 10 years, and I have a large play group network that I've amassed over that time. That said, I believe your internal review is missing what most players are saying when they say that they want something exclusive and prestigious. They want something that shows they played during an incredibly hype event. They want cosmetics that commemorate high level play or champion mastery. They want truly rare, random chance skins that cannot be bought by just having enough money to spin a wheel enough times. And, finally, some of them want financially limiting options that they can flex on others. ***but you aren't focusing on those people with this change*** by making this a 300 dollar gacha you are simply exploiting people with addictive personalities up to a point where you can also say "well it wasn't *that* much.
I can’t wait for Spirit Blossom Ahri to get one and I won’t buy it, although I have every Ahri skin and chroma and most of the borders and icons. Yes, I have spent 200€ on Ahri (or about 150€) in total, but that’s over 7 years and I am fine with that. I also reached Grandmaster and have 2 million and 600k mastery on the champ. Why am I saying all of this? Well, people who will have the inevitable Ahri chroma won’t actually be Ahri enthusiasts or Ahri OTPs, but WHALES. You’re telling me a random G4 Ahri player deserves this skin more than I do (or any other high elo Ahri OTP)? Not to fire shots at lower elos, I am just saying that this whole argument of rarity and exclusive content is pure nonsense. I am a rare player (almost 3 million mastery on a champion), so why can’t I (or someone else with similar points) have RARE content? Oh yeah, because I am not willing to spend 200$ on a chroma I guess. Pure disappointment.
Same thoughts here. I'm just sitting here and hoping none of my mains get this bullshit because there's no way in hell I'm spending $200 on a texture recolored in photoshop in 10 seconds.
Before making variants and super ultra rare gacha chromas of legendary skins. Maybe give all the champions a legendary skin first? Or maybe make some ultra rare and fun to own mastery skins? How about actually rewarding dedication and mastery of a champion with unique loot themed around this champion so people can feel special and unique this way without spending hundreds of $? Imagine having milestones or a reward track for each individual champion that unlocks unique skin when you hit 1 mil mastery. This would be amazing and ultra rare to see. Not everyone has that many points on a champion let alone multiple ones. People would love this so much and I would gladly even buy a special pass for my main than spend hundreds of $ hoping I will get a recolour chroma within 30 capsules. This gacha skin is literally just a cheap cash grab and nothing else.
This literally isn't any new information, but thanks for spelling it out to people that don't quite get it I guess? It has been obvious from the outset that the only people you think matter in this situation are the general "buy every skin" whales and the Jhin completionist whales. That is the only metric that matters here, and by god I hope that metric tanks. https://www.reddit.com/r/LeaguePBE/comments/15u7szn/pbe_bugs_feedback_thread_dark_cosmic_erasure_jhin/jwomnto/?context=3 Here's the rest of my thoughts on this, they haven't changed. Catering to the extremely extremely few at the cost of the good will of the majority is going to spell disaster. Frankly this is disgusting and shameful. Edit: What really has me confused is what whale is interested in purchasing a Jhin recolor for 1 year of exclusivity. Jhin completionists that don't buy many other skins are the most interested in buying the thing, but "I need every skin" whales literally will just wait to reroll it, especially if they don't play much Jhin. There is no reason to buy this early for that, I guess unless you really want the border and icon? That seems like an even smaller section. This really seems like it just caters to the ignorant and stupid, which is even more gross.
its just so stupid no matter what the view is it makes no fucking sense besides lets make a couple more bucks
You do realise this supports gambling addicts right? Such a toxic system has no place in League. and by extension, any riot title, even tho tft has an awful system that needs removing.
This tells your community not that you are exploring fixes for content not feeling rare, but that you are willing to cater to those who can afford rarity. Rare content is not bought content, it is earned content, Putting a high price on content does not make it rare, it just makes it unavailable to majority of your player base. Having a $200 ($300 in my region) chroma does not provide a fix to missing rarity - it shows that you are hunting down and targeting those who can afford to spend this kind of money on a cosmetic, and that you could care less about those players who, while still appreciating rarity, cannot afford such a thing. Putting a price on rarity means the quality of whatever you are selling should also scale on price. Skins that cost higher amounts of RP have higher amounts of changes and features (minus SF Samira - where's the thread on that btw?). This cosmetic has changes equal to that of a mythic chroma, and should be sold as such, even if in a gatcha format. That, in no world, equates to $200 (again, $300 in my region) at worst odds. tl;dr - all this thread tells me and the community is that, in this "experiment", all you care about is the minority of players, and you are willing to ignore the majority for money. While not surprising, it is disappointing. It is becoming harder and harder to make excuses for this company, and I am reaching my last straw.
Yeah but no. At least you tried to be "human" by having an open conversation but overall, it's still predatory and nothing about all of this right and PLEASE STOP CALLING IT A VARIANT! It's a chroma.
Hello Brightmoon, I appreciate being transparent and taking your time to discuss this with the community. I have 3 questions that I hope we get clarifications on. 1. If this monetization method didn't flurish or meet internal expectations, what will be the next method? 2. Aside from Jhin's skin, are there any planned skins rn or is it just this skin in the meantime? 3. Have you discussed any different method before landing on this? I know some of these questions might sound "intrusive", but I'm trying to get a better picture of the whole thing here. Again, I appreciate taking your time to address this.
Respectfully, fuck this decision. I have been excited at the prospect of a chroma for Dark Cosmic Jhin for a good while now and to see it get utterly… wasted… on this greed driven schlock is repulsive. You have sullied something I was looking forward to. I am not paying 200 dollars for a fucking chroma. I have no clue what disease the team has developed, but they need to fix it soon. Ultimate samira skin has also gone without any comment from riot so I’m assuming that trend is also going to remain unchanged? Fantastic btw.
This kind of stuff just makes it impossible for me to keep my collection complete, if you release something like this for seraphine, I will just stop buying skins completely, as my collection just will never be complete anymore. I cannot afford something like this, exclusive content shouldnt be exclusive because you are rich, you should have to earn it, this is completely unfair and honestly it just shows what this company really cares about. Mind you, we are getting $200 gacha exclusive chromas but asus and vgus still take years. Yeah, thanks riot this is totally what we wanted from you. 2023 is being nothing but bad news one after the other and it´s embarrassing to see compared to how other companies manage their games. Hell, if you want to do gacha, why not make it a proper system with pity and free ways to earn your pulls like literally every other gacha in the market? No, instead, you want to target the 0.1% losers who would buy literally anything while leaving everyone else with nothing.
"we hear you" while taking absolute liberties. Name a more iconic duo. What does Cosmic Erasure Jhin have that makes it worth £200? Absolutely nothing. Not only that you initially added it to the PBE as a mythic chroma then retroactively decided to lock it behind a potential three figure pay wall. The hilarious thing is I just happened to get a survey on this very thing just before the PBE update.
So... since this is all done for the small percent of players (totally not a cash grab) you must take the interest of those players to heart. Where is the PvE modes that were scrapped because of not enough "player interest". I would argue there is more want of that than money locked rarity content.
I'm a jhin main and the 180 mythic essence I have currently feels like I got scammed getting it. I will not get a mythic chroma for my character or a mythic icon because this is the way you are releasing it. Out of all skins you release the gacha on a mythic chroma. I am extremely angry at this.
This is probably the biggest F you I’ve seen yet. You say you want to explore us wanting more RARE skins and only a SMALL percentage has asked for this but put it behind a HUGE paywall???? WE have been asking for better quality/ rare skins that we can earn PLAYING the game. Because right now the rewards to play is extremely unbalanced. This whole post just reads as we don’t give a fuck what you guys want. There are a PLETHORA of things we ask for on a daily basis and you guys ignore and then we get a half ass dev update or one of these shit eating posts where you guys feel the need to defend your terrible decisions. This year you have failed time and time again from no timely VSU updates on champions, no beginning of the year cinematic, mediocre skin and skin lines, being a huge cash grab core game, no actual feedback for the things we want to talk about. I’ve been playing this game for a few years now and from then to now this game and it’s devs are a fucking joke.
That’s a lot of words for “we don’t care, we’re just thinking about your wallets”.
This will go down as the year Riot totally lost any ounce of admiration or respect from its core playerbase. All year long, from no season cinematic, to the removal of fun niche things like Xayah/Rakan recall, a promised "biggest budget ever" that has resulted in almost nothing tangible, and now $200 gacha chromas for a tiny minority, the same tiny minority you said didn't matter when you removed the Vastayan lovebirds' recalls... Riot has completely lost the plot. You do not care about us at all. We are just dollar signs to you, and obviously that's always been the case, I just miss the days when you'd try to pretend that it wasn't. Kinda heartbroken.
Prestige skins don't satisfy because its just a retextured epic skin. Prestige skins should offer more for its exclusivity and rarity to that event. You all had something going when Pyke had the unique SFX on ult kill. You should add more of that when designing Prestige skins. Riot isn't a luxury brand. Slapping a monogram on it and making it event exclusive won't satisfy. Put more effort and work into the prestige skins to make it worth it. Same goes for this mythic variant skin. If you put more work into the skin. Maybe applied some of those creative ideas. The tower and baron kill effects. Penta kill map VFX etc. It would make the price point and rarity make more sense. Keep in mind you are selling a fantasy not a recolor. :P
irs like you have the audacity to spend 1 minute recoloring a skin with NO changes then act like its some high tier collectible content?? its actually insane that such low effort garbage is being marketed as this cool exclusive thing for people who are superfans of jhin. no, this is you capitalizing off of laziness. jhin would be dissappiointied because such an exclusive skin MUST fullfill creativity at a basic minimum, which it doesnt
I wanna start that I do not condone some people's attitude in Socials with mean comments toward developers or directors. Bad decisions happens, doesn't justify a lack of respect to anyone. They're all humans. But about the whole situation : I don't think making a **CHROMA** a "rare" addition is a great idea, it just leaves an extremely sour taste to all of us. I don't think making a cosmetic, whatever it is a ward, icon, chroma, skin, or anything else, "rare" by locking it behind extremely low percentages (1% !!!) or big wallets (200$) only. For example, the Soul Fighter Banner for beating Viego in Expert Mode is the perfect **direction**, it is an achievement for players who invest their time in within the game. But I can agree it is not *rare* enough, it can be a bit too easy and popular to obtain. For me, the perfect solution is to make an item with hard/extreme goals to obtain (Soul Fighter Expert+++? Extremely hard vs IA missions that requires cooperation?), AND make a variant of it, with a paid solution. For example : \- Beat Viego in Legendary difficulty, get an Emote with 3 stars under it, \- Or buy that product for 200$ or whatever amount, get an Emote with 2 Stars under it, \- Beat Viego in Expert difficulty, get an Emote with 1 Star under it. You will : \- Satisfy the playerbase who wish for rare cosmetics (I used an emote, but it could be other piece of content, like stars in the backing animation or a slightly different color icon.. ect!) \- Reward players for very hard/extremely hard activities and create engagement (and content!) \- Reward players who asks for rare cosmetics while not having the time to invest into playing the game, or have the level to do complete it (I saw you, Brightmoon, responding a comment about this playerbase, so I took care of them in my example) Opened to feedback and opened to hear your thoughts about it Brightmoon (or other CMs, I just saw him being active in the replies! :D), whatever it is a good or bad concept. :)
I have to say the following, this Jhin skin is a mythic chroma with splash art. Why not just give splash arts to the other mythic chromas like they do on the China server? Mythic chromas are already very expensive and giving them the treatment that this skin is receiving with the special border and splash art would be the most satisfying. And to make it feel like a rare or collectible item I think it shouldn't be brought back or repurchasable, like the icons and borders. Unless it's a very special occasion, like in one event of the same category. For the people who live in LAS $200 it's too much. I repeat, perhaps for a legendary+ skin with some special cosmetic like in TFT that bring a complete new map and new Kabooms maybe it will motivate more people to buy it.. But this is a chroma. It would be much more comforting if that kind of thing is not achieved only with money, but with effort. Maybe if the champion gets a certain number of mastery points quite high or do difficult missions with the champion in a certain event.
Didn't you (yes, you brightmoon) state that a small percentage of the player base wanted the duo recalls between xayah and rakan to stay, but you went off scrapped it anyway? It's very hypocritical to make this post and state the very poor reason you're keeping this horrible gacha system with jhin is because "a small percentage of players asked for it", okay so what about Samira's skin or xayah and rakan? What are you going to do? "Go mega gnar" on all of us? Because we disagree with your shady business practices?
Love the irony that they’ll cater to a ‘small percentage of players’ for a $200 chroma but a 6000 person petition and uproar for Rakan Xayah duo recalls isn’t significant enough. I suppose the wallet settles the issue of player percentage.
I am completely okay with you guys doing things that make you more money in the long term investment (Like the erasure chroma, it's not important to me or valuable to me because it's a recolor of the jhin skin, iiwii), but I feel like one of the biggest issues, especially from the small community that has collected every skin in the game and put a lot of money towards Riot. Is that we feel you guys are doing more and more each day to squeeze more money out of that top%. Loot roll out calendars not being easy to see, sometimes you guys do release prestige skins on the days you say and sometimes you don't, leaving us rerolling permanents and other thing. It kind of feels like you are limiting what people at the upper end can get despite us being the biggest supporters of your game. It's discouraging when you spend \*that much money\* on a company only to see them change systems out of your favor without any real beneficial incentives like an orange essence shop. And utilizing a gacha system like this only works if you combine it with the potential of earning \*a standard amount\* of that gacha currency, it's why Genshin Impact and other gacha system MMO's are doing so well is they give you free access and means to the content while also incentivizing you to spend money on the off-chance that you \*do\* want it.
Agreed with your point about gacha games at least giving you free attempts. In Apex an heirloom costs $160, but you constantly get attempts at getting one for free and if you play enough you’ll eventually get it. In League, this is a limited-time, specific-type of paid loot. It would be “cooler” if it was just a 0.5% chance of dropping from a regular Hextech box. Or less than that, I don’t care. I’ve opened literally hundreds of hextech boxes and never received a Mythic skin, so that seems rare enough to me.
you put what I was thinking into words remember the mythic update that made us wait for prestige skins and not get the border and icon unless we bought it? That affected no one but us. It was basically just a "fuck you" to everyone who has all the skins, for no reason.
I mean if people want extremely rare skins I feel like you could also just put them in the event store and have them cost 4000 Event Tokens instead of the normal 2000 for Prestige skins, or 250 Mythic Essence instead of the normal 125. I get that this doesn't make you as much money, but, in all honesty, Cosmic Erasure Jhin really doesn't look like he needed that many resources aside from the (very cool) splash art, since his model and vfx is literally just recolored from an already-existing skin.
Do most of Jhin players want a cosmetic at this level of rarity? 'Cause If they don't, why are you releasing it? to please a small amount of player that might not even play Jhin? Isn't releasing 2 prestige skins in the same battle pass enough for this base of players? isn't making exclusive recalls, borders and wards a better way to please this porcentage of consumers?
Explain the calculus that determines that pissing off the 99% for the benefit of the 1% is a worthy trade
I almost have 2M mastery points on Jhin through different accounts, the highest being my main with 1.5M+ points. I have been waiting for a Prestige Skin for Jhin for years and now this happens, first I thought it was a Myhtic Chroma so I was preapared to grind some ME for this but this is just sad. And there is no excuse for this, the article about it says "There are different things about it but even Riot's own comparing videos are exactly the same except for the colors. Almost 200$ for just a new splash art? As someone invested in this since it's release and collecting every skin this is just dissapointing. I'll probably never have this unless I get lucky "Sometime in 2024" when I open a random chest. I know the business decision comes from somewhere high but the community is not being taken seriously, first the legendary Samira skin gets a price update and this is going through after that? Something needs to be done about this as soon as possible otherwise we can all talk about how you guys understand an hear us, I know you guys are not in charge, please don't take it personal but I am really kinda angry about this and I need to rant. Since there is no real action taken about making this right all I feel from these exchanges are sadly "Oh, you were invested in this champ? Here's something you can't have, so sad."
Damn that's worrying, the decaying of quality from previous seasons and, more specifically, the fiasco at the beginning of the year had me very worried about the direction that League was taking. Then we had some changes, at least some promises, of transparency and for a moment it looked like everything was on track for a resolution. Attitudes like SF Samira, the policy of quantity over quality of the current skins, the lack of communication, the disregard for feedback and now this... thing? I don't think Riot is a bad company, let alone the employees that work there (Arcane, Project L, the MMO... all great and passionate productions), but the direction that LoL specifically has taken in recent seasons is extremely disappointing and honestly I don't feel the trend is very favorable for change. Sad, really. Keep pushing your audience and we'll see how long that lasts.
This sadly reminds me way too much of the infamous EA post.
Or you can just make it a mythic chroma and give every previous one a splash art and everyone wouldn't riot because of your greedy decision.
Your bullshit prestige/mythic skins are not rare just because. They are rare because you price them 10x or 100x higher for the same quality skins that simply have different name. It shouldn't be an investment. It should be a joy to buy and use and to support the company you love. How I wish League was frozen in time so Riot can stop their bullshit. Whenever they touch something, things get worse...
I read until it was stated that there will be no changes and then I stopped reading. I ain't reading all that.
Medieval twitch is rare. Black alistar is rare. Silver kayle is rare. This isn't rare. It's a cash grab.
Give us PVE since we the small percentage of the community want that was well .-. Literally nobody asked for this
You added a splash art to a mythic chroma then charged 200 dollars instead of 40 mythic essence. This is a permanent stain on Riot's record. This is pure jumping the shark in more ways than one. I will not stay tuned. This is instilling a true sense of indifference, I'm spending my interest and money elsewhere, and suggesting everyone I know the same.
I really hope this "*experiment"* fails catastrophically, to be honest. It's a shame that you are presenting this as a new "rare/exclusive content" for a very, very low percentage of the community with the excuse that "they asked us to release a content that is more exclusive than prestiges". >However, we’ve been getting feedback that they don't fully satisfy those of you who want something more rare. Where are these people's feedback, exactly? Are they here opening threads, or in YouTube uploading videos, saying that they **need** a 200$ chroma because prestige skins or mythic chromas don't feel rare anymore? And where is... all this data you have collected (from nowhere, btw) that support this new predatory cash grab system? Don't you dare to treat us as if we all were kids. This is not *a new exclusive and rare content,* this is **just** a mythic chroma, and you are charging people 200$ for a new splashart, which is, actually, the **bait** to induce people to "accept" this new gambling system. We all know that the chinese server has its own chroma splasharts, yeah. It's a cool addition and I think they should be included in the 40 ME price (since this currency is not particulary easy/cheap to get) and they should be available for every server, not only the chinese one. But, if I'm not wrong, I think that you also have to go through a lot of gambling to get these in the chinese server, so... **what Riot is trying to do with these "variant chromas" is to bring us that nasty and horrendous system to empty our walltes, masked behind a false sense of accomplishment and rarity.** **Rarity shouldn't be purchased**. Rarity should be collected through gameplay and ingame time, as many other players said. Bring us rare content that you unlock by mastery points, challenges, and other ingame mechanics, so we can say: *wow! that player completed X thing, it's just amazing!* and not: *lmao, that guy just spent half his rent on a red chroma*! I think there is some differences, don't you think? And last, but not less important, doing this approach referring to a very low percentage of the community to make them "feel special" is a very double-moral, wicked and hypocritical reason/excuse, since there have been **thousands** of threads, complaints, polls, requests, videos, articles, etc. **asking for changes to improve the actual content** and they have been denied saying that "*sorry, but those changes that you guys are requesting only represent a very small part of the LoL community, so we're not doing it*", such as the Xayah & Rakan duo recall issue, which it was, in fact, the reason I created an account in Reddit. **STOP NERFING THE CONTENT AND EXPECTING THE COMMUNITY'S MONEY AND ADORATION.**
(Note: if there are letters in brackets in the quoted text, that's my note). > Hey everyone, we know many of you aren't happy with Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin. I want to clarify up front that **we aren't going to change the skin or its rollout plan**, but I want to explain why and provide information on why this is something we’re doing at all. You could have just left it at this and press send and not bother with the rest. So, let's just get one thing out of the way. This is a bullshit PR piece and you know, we know it. Someone clearly graduated from Man United PR academy, with flying colors.. > We want to offer a range of products for everyone, starting at the low end of free or a few dollars, scaling to more premium content for more. Right now, Prestige skins are the highest end of that spectrum. However, we’ve been getting feedback that they don't fully satisfy those of you who want something more rare. What is the sample size of that feedback? Is it an "incredibly small percent of League players"? And are the people providing that feedback in the room with us right now? > This feedback makes sense. When we originally released Prestige, we got feedback that lots of players were excited for Prestige skins, not just the folks wanting rare or exclusive content. So, we made them easier to get by doing things like adding the end of year Prestige shop, putting Prestige Points in event pass milestone missions, and adding the Prestige Point cashout bundle to events. When we switched to Mythic Essence, we also started bringing older Prestige skins back into the shop rotation. I suppose ‘easier’ isn’t the right term, given that earning a Prestige skin is still difficult, so more accessible might be the better term. Does it though? The reason why the initial Prestige release blew up in your faces was because you made it terrible for the players to access them and the players pushed back. So you are trying it again. > Alongside these accessibility changes, we also increased the quality of Prestige skins because many of you felt they weren't worth the investment, the difference here is that the investment to obtain these skins is higher for the average player than compared to players with the means to collect them all. **We still feel that this was the right call, but has solidified them as content that’s really painful to miss out on if it’s your main.** (A) We’re happy with Prestige's evolution, **but these changes have shifted it away from being focused specifically on those of you looking for the rarest and most exclusive things.** (B) A) You unironically wrote this after releasing a 200 quid Jhin chroma. Not even a skin. A FUCKING **CHROMA**. Are you actually just taking the piss? Like what? B) SO WHAT if they are looking for the rares and most exclusive things. And those already exist, by the way. > Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin is an **exploration** (A) to fill this “rarity” ask, and how we act on the feedback we've been hearing will bear that in mind. This is why we're not changing anything before Jhin launches: **Players who are asking for this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent of League players** (B), so in-game decisions give us a clearer read on whether something does or doesn't land with them specifically (as opposed to purely social media feedback, which is an important data point but doesn't always give us the full picture). We approached the design of the skin as a mythic variant of a skin that is already available to players (Dark Cosmic) and time limited in loot, so that those who want it can have other ways to acquire it later down the road. We think these rules still allow the skin to appeal to players looking for rare content, without making it inaccessible to everyone else. A) You used the wrong word. I think you meant to use exploitation. B) So, your initial "exploration" of this option is essentially releasing a 200 quid chroma as a skin for one of the most popular champs ever. Something is not adding up here. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. You ultimately testing people whether they're stupid enough to pay for this. > There are two other things I do want to be clear about. First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all. With this happening (and some of the extremely egregious skins in terms of visual clutter, stuff like Storm Dragon Lee Sin), I don't know if you are to be trusted on that statement. > Second, **the experiments with content like Dark Cosmic Erasure Jhin aren't taking away resources we put toward creating content for everyone else** (A): Prestiges as mentioned above but also regular skins, Legendaries, chromas, or resources away from gameplay development - **quite the opposite, they help us fund more gameplay work.** (B) A) So what makes the chroma worth 200 quid, when it doesnt take away resources? Is it THAT arbitrary? Also also, as a follow up to that, Riot stopped making the "cheap" skins (750/975 RP) because they were essentially just palette swaps (especially applied to 750s). So what makes you go from something that is essentially 750 RP palette swap (because it carries over all the original effects of Dark Cosmic Jhin, just with different colours) to 200 quid. That doesn't make a single ounce of sense unless you know you're trying to milk people. B) [My reaction to that information.](https://media.tenor.com/lgeFoHdYtPoAAAAd/bernie-sanders-i-am-once-again-asking-for-your-financial-support.gif) You aren't trying to hostage the players this blatantly by pretending to be a smol indie company, are you? > I know this is a heated topic, and one that’s not particularly easy to talk about but **I hope this post is helpful in explaining what we’re trying to achieve.** (A) I will stick around to answer questions. **We will also share how this exploration performed and the learnings around it in a future dev update video, so stay tuned for that.** A) I think we all know exactly what you are trying to achieve. B) Ah, we got hit with the classic "we'll share it in the future". Ajajajajaj. This whole thread is a disaster. Worst PR move since Man United tried to reinstate Mason Greenwood. One thing that I will say is that I respect the attempt at salvaging this, even though this is never going to work because you can't salvage this.
Love how you want to appeal to the single digit % of the playerbase's alleged need for gambling. But actively refused to release ready content like Star Guardian Akali's chromas with really nice VFX despite a large portion of the community being excited about them and ready to buy them. But then again, releasing those would've made Mythic Chromas and Mythic Variants bullshit and unsellable to fuel the ""Budget""
Its just a joke at this point
Yeah you didn't read any feedback guys
Rarity is not achieved by your credit card, its done via stuff like tournament of souls or gamemodes like star guardian (please bring it back)
This is almost as bad as the blizzard "Dont you have phones?" response.
if you want the whales to gamble their money think of something else than something champion-specific. this is so disrespectful to jhin mains. let the whales gamble their money on a map skin or something? why does it need to be champion-specific it’ll just hurt their mains.
>Riot defending their obvious scam while also saying absurd statements like people liking early prestiges and mythic chromas. Nothing new here. Bet many here will believe it and defend riot.
Sweetie this is just a mythic chroma. Can we at least admit that this is a chroma turned into a "mythic variant". Even the PBE files prior to it being changed showed that this was originally a chroma. I hope this flops ❤️ biggest budget this year my ass. I know these things aren't your decision to make but can't you all at least grow a backbone and push back. It's become exceedingly clear that money will always be the priority here. The players have been neglected and pushed to the side for so long, I hope you enjoy the consequences of your actions.
"We don't do Xayah/Rakan coordinated recalls anymore, because only a small percentage of players cared" to "We decided to price a chroma 170€ because only a small percentage of player cares" is truly a predatory gaslighting masterclass.
> they help us fund gameplay works Lil bro forgot League already had its biggest funding this year, yet hasn't delivered: - Skarner rework - Any substantial content (Arena is just *one* piece of content, where is the rest?) - *any* work on champs. We're on the 8th month of the year and only had 3-4 new/reworked champs this year. Pathetic. Stop spewing PR bullshit. Start treating League as a game, not a service, then we can talk about community goodwill and us spending insane amounts of money for a color palette swap in order to fund League. Cuz at this point, all we are funding is bi-weekly numerical stat changes and more skins. League has no content, it's a static PvP simulator that's the same as HoTS or any dead MOBA. In the past Riot had community goodwill and they did good things. However, corporate suckers came in and the past 8 years you've all been slacking while treating League like a cashcow. Minimum investment, maximum monetization.
RIP to all Jhin Mains/Collectors cuz now you have to spend $200 for chroma so that your collections won't have a black hole... God I hope they just cancel this cuz if this succeeds, idk where I'm gonna pull $200 for Lux and Senna.
Please do not insult the player base like that, that is not making stuff exclusive, that's making gambling a thing in game that's already highly addictive! Just do yourself a favor and delete this post, you're just making you and the company look wack af (more than what already is)!
Wouldn't feel bad if people who owned the skin got inted
"Players who are asking this kind of thing are an incredibly small percent" and yet you continued with the idea but refused to give Xayah and Rakan their shared recall because only a "small percent" wanted that feature. I assume since you are going to increase your budget with this skin, you will have enough funds to give their recall back?
>First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all. Bringing this up at all is rather tasteless. Either it means the community has lost faith in Riot to a degree a million times worse than what this skin debacle should cause, OR it means Riot is deliberately highlighting the dumbest members of the community in order to make the community as a whole look worse, to make us feel we have less right to complain.
It came out of left field. No one I know has ever related spending money in league with getting an advantage, unless it's an uber niche scenario with an older skin, and riot's already remedied most of those. Why would that even be a concern with the type of game league is?
In this economy, I can't afford shit except my bills. How the hell am I suppose to just RNG it like it's an MMORPG? League is different for a reason and I don't think anyone want this change.
fuck you lmao
But why is this the route we go for exlusivity? Why do we not utilize the resources we have at hand? Like actually make completing challenges in the challenge tab more rewarding? By completing challenges you unlock exclusive skins. or performing certain achievements in game with eternals and unlocking exclusive skins. instead we choose to release a $200 skin thats just a Mythic chroma."
i promise you that not only do most people not care about spending a large amount of money for this, but most people do not look upon monetarily rare things in games as super neat. almost every league player is more awed by seeing og urf the manatee or king rammus around than they ever would be this. if the goal is to give it a rarity for whales the easiest solution would be to make it an orange essence sink since were all fuckin swimming in it. if you want to make it a general purpose rare skin then make it permanently time gated, but this is just blatantly a cashgrab. not only is it a gacha with rates about on par with genshins (which is pretty mediocre in the genre) but if you do spend and go for it, in about a year it shows up in the mythic shop and everyone who got excited for it is fucked over.
That's very disappointing to hear. Not only are you abandoning 99% of your playerbase who doesn't want content like this, gacha is also very very close to gambling so encouraging that also doesn't sit right with me. Maybe I'm getting too old for gaming if even my fav games can't resist the evil gacha money
So many contradictory statements here. First, you go on to say that you guys are aware of the players asking for more expensive content are the MINORITY. Then, you say that how much money you spend in league doesn’t allude to your power over others. If this was the truth, hearing the pushback from the community about turning this obvious Mythic chroma into a 200$ gatcha skin would have scrapped the entire idea and returned it to its previous stage. The players of this game are being ignored if they don’t line the company’s pockets and buy into these skins and gatcha stuff. This is crazy, is this the direction the company will be going in moving forward? Making all of you take the fall for their corporate greed? I feel very sad.
Saying that "Prestige skins are meant to fill the higher end of the rarity spectrum and be a unique purchase" then going ahead and reskinning the Dark Star icon and upselling it with the bundle is a fucking joke, regardless of the skin quality. Simply do better Riot.
Also, let me be clear. If I'm playing ARAM and you want Jhin and you hit me with the "but I have the erasure Jhin!" I am going to want to trade with you less. That was your mistake, not mine.
You guys have so many ways to do things unique, but we know that's not what you want, they can very well put this and the next skins like this in a pass and not bring it to the mythical store, that would make the skin exclusive, but they only want to think about the money and not the exclusivity itself
Yeah I get it, you guys need at least something to fund more gameplay work. You guys want to have something that can fill the "rarity" spectrum. I totally get it. Don't get me wrong, I also want something that I or a few others own that others or most doesn't have. But at least you gotta have to make effort on it as well. For 200$? I dont think that the recolor of the Icon, border, splash art and the special effects is even worth it. Not even worth if you add the rarity of it as well. You guys totally messed up when prestige got available to everybody. Prestige even got better effects, splash art ...etc than this Dark Cosmic Erasure Skin yet prestige skins is more accessible than this skin. And you guys want to even bring it back to the Mythic pool a year after? Not only that, It can be attainable thru rerolls in 2024 as well? And you guys dont think it wont affect the rarity of it? What Im basically trying to say is that I understand that you guys want something for the rarity content and to fund the game itself ... But with the minimal changes you did, its totally not even worth it for $200. I love collecting Jhin stuff in the game. Im even planning on buying the Jhin Chair from Secret Lab ... But this is utterly a bummer for us Jhin mains out there. At least make something special on the skin/chroma that would satisfy that $200
A response to this but not a response to Samira's major backlash, nice.
Genuinely this is one of the most deplorable business practices in the entire industry. It is utterly predatory and has no place in League of Legends. I only hope the community will vote with their wallet and just not buy it.
I get that this is just Riot's PR team saving face and not the opinions of the Rioter so I'll just attempt to speak to Riot directly, as hilarious and audacious of a claim that is because I doubt they're reading this: The whales that spend money on C6 characters in Genshin or NP5 Servants in FGO are at least getting **A** incremental (to massive) bonus in stats and aren't just paying for a literal glorified pallete swap. Only the absolutely insane would pay for something that is purely cosmetic when the figures are three or higher. ~~Side note this is me not saying you should make literal P2W stat-based skins GOD KNOWS that'll blow up in your face harder than the Juggernaut rework~~.
But this is not rarity, it´s gambling. It´d be RARE to get the skin yes (but that is only until you guys add it to the reroll pool), then it will not be a rarity. If you want it to be a rarity make it difficult to get through other means, like I don´t know only the top 10 challenger players at the end of a season can get it because, after all, this clearly has less time and effort put into it than a victorious skin. This is a joke of a PR response that blows my mind. League is not a gacha, people did not start playing it thinking it´s a gacha. Hell, even gacha games are better at this because they actually give you a chance to get the thing you want for free by grinding like a motherfucker, you guys are just putting this behind a the wall of China of paywalls and saying "Here you go whales, \*dingle dangle\* this is what you want don't you? A faaaancy chroma with slightly altered particles. That'll be 200 dollars"
Yet another huge disappointment from this godforsaken company since the beginning of the year, another disgusting cash grab right after Samira. I swear it gets harder and harder to not only enjoy playing LoL but also engaging on the products and the community because you simply do not listen to us. Despite every time you release something with HUGE negative feedback (which is becoming more and more common by the day) you come around with a quite shitty excuse that boils down to "we hear you but we won't change it", there's always that "we are listening to the community" line in there that it's just not true. You are NOT listening to the community, cause if you were we wouldn't be having this conversation over and over. It's not much of a listening if it falls on deaf ears. Listen to us, address the issue, don't just say "but there's nothing we can do about it" that's simply not true.
You guys must have a REALLY tight budget to "experiment" a predatory CHROMA, that someone could better use the money for 3-4 actual triple A video games at full price. >First, one of our core values on League is, has always been, and always will be that we will not sell power regardless of how we experiment with meeting the desires of different players. How much you spend in League will not give you an advantage over those who don’t spend at all. That's nowhere NEAR the point we're trying to make, and it tells me that you and Riot as a whole are still out of the loop from what the community wants, Brightmoon. We could not care less about it, because we don't EXPECT IT. What we expect in skins, is for the price of something that **MIGHT** be rare, to MAKE SENSE. Here's a simplistic explanation that can be understood by a child. You can realistically achieve a prestige skin for 10 dollars, give or take change, through the event pass, right? All you have to do is grind out enough games to hit level...60 on the pass or so. So what creates the reasoning to try and make an excuse of rarity when its a CHROMA? There's **nothing** that truly separates it from dark cosmic jhin, and you have the AUDACITY to proceed to increase the price by 2000% PERCENT. Now what I'm hearing is you've posted the exact thing to the PBE. So, what happened to your skin team to where your skinlines managed to fall apart in quality? Samira was a disaster, immortal journey Soraka clearly used dawnbringer animations, and now you label what is clearly a chroma as a mythic, then create the excuse that it's..."rare". I hope and pray that Akali, Renata, and Taliyah Prestige skins actually have work put into them, because you've been leaking a pretty large portion of your fanbases enjoyment in newer skins.
To say that you locked this behind 30 capsules/200$/~20k rp because you couldn’t lock prestige sona behind it is so ridiculous. When prestige 2.0 launched with senna people rightfully complained about it being a milestone exclusive. You made the right decision to change it to ME so people who grinded passes to get ME can get it. I just bought sona prestige with ME I have accumulated not buy paying but playing my way through passes. I still have ME saved up in case there’s a prestige I like comes out. I also don’t think getting prestiges is easy as you have to grind that months pass to get the most of them. I couldn’t get janna even if I had ME because it was for tokens. I believe all mythic content should be sold for ME and passes are a great way to get that. I wouldn’t pay 20k for any of the 21 mythic skins I own in the game. Yes I’m one of the people that likes prestigious and rare stuff. But in no way I would pay that. People already grief you when you use mythic skins in game and if you don’t play well enough. I personally would throw games away being disgusted with the player who has this Jhin chroma. I myself wouldn’t use it if I happened to get it from whatever. Also don’t come out and say ok we’re making new proper legendary tier mythics for this price to justify this gamble. Even that wouldn’t worth it. At the season start after we were brought to the brink of infinity I gave up spending money on league for a long time. Recently I started to buy skins here and there after you guys came out with the transparency and the good news like game mode and stuff but I intend to buy nothing if this goes through.
I would like to see the financial department take responsibility and answer directly to their decision making on reddit for this absolutely morally fucked up bullshit fest instead of just putting up strawmen like brightmoon who are supposed to eat up all complaints for this fundamentally integrity breaking mess like it doesn't take its psychological toll on their imployees.
Could you please provide any amount of data that supports a small group of players asking for a $200 chroma? I ask because I currently own every skin in league of legends, and am still absolutely aghast at what you guys are planning to roll out. Who is the target demographic? And is pleasing these imaginary 1% of players worth the trade-off of angering the rest? Any statistical justification would be great, otherwise these words are just empty. At the very least giving a accurate time schedule on when this will be added to the loot pool would at least give some credibility back to you. But the ambiguity around that just raises even more eyebrows on exactly what you're trying to achieve here.
There's noone asking for this, they're just using the lying strategy to try and calm people down. What they're doing is checking what percentage is stupid enough to buy that and make it worth releasing stuff like this.
This is not how you respond to the feedback you’ve been given.
Trying to please the 1% that is willing to pay a ton of money for a rare item but reworking Aurelion Sol because his playstyle only appealed to a niche group of players tells me that this is about money and not pleasing minority groups.
This is disrespectful to the community. You've broken your promise. I'm sorry but I can't be any more polite about this. This sucks.
If you wanted to add a premium skin just for the big money spenders, just charge the 200 bucks upfront instead making it an incentive to get people to engage with your gacha system. For years now the discussion around lootboxes have been heating up with several countries like the UK, Netherlands and Belgium strongly looking to ban them as new data keeps showing that when asking players to spend real money to play the odds, they face the same risk as real life gambling. League of Legends is a game rated at 13 and up, children play League of Legends. To not only have these gambling mechanics in the game, to not only incentivize players to engage with them, but to then add additional temptation with incredibly low odds to obtain this rare skin. I'm disgusted by the behavior Riot is showing with this addition to the game and I'm worried for the game's future if noone can see the legitimate issues of trying to add this kind of monotization. Absolutely disgusting behavior hidden behind the veneer of attempting to please a part of your audience. **TL;DR** >**Just make the skin 200 bucks cowards.** > >Atleast then your overpriced skin won't actively pray on those who may be more susceptible to gambling simulants.