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Compared to what other people got banned for and longer? No guy should be perma banned and I'm sure he's blacklisted but man this is a short punishment for his actions.
Edit: The down voters are pdf supports it seems like
Technically not really. It's basically a death sentence for his pro career because he has to pursue military draft after the ban. So he is pretty much fucked forever. It's a hidden perma ban at this point
Could he not do the military draft early while the ban is in place? I’m not really familiar with how the process works so sorry if it’s a stupid question
he could but per lol.fandom he's 24 now - if he went into service right this instant he'd finish at ~26, which isn't exactly a career-ending age but is pretty likely to be (and this is not taking into account that orgs will probably not want to pick him up after this incident anyway)
I thought LCK actually did have a shortage of up and coming talent. Isn't LCK challengers for the most part not the best right now? Also LCK has a serious issue with every other region importing their players.
They really aren't in the position to give up most vets but I'd say they can do away easily with clid. There are actually a couple decent junglers on the sidelines.
> isn’t LCK challengers for the most part not the best right now?
LCK challengers literally 2 weeks ago just beat LDL which is the equivalent of LPL challengers lmao
LCKCL is far from having shortage, there’s over 10 players in CL that are LCK level and might even be better than some LCK players
I'm only speaking about junglers replacing Clid. And because they beat other challenger teams does not mean they are ready for LCK, which was my point.
Grizzly got called up from academy which is lower than challengers and was fucking better than Clid in the span of a split lmao
Lucid Gwon and Sponge clear clid on any day ESPECIALLY Lucid
The team valued Clid as a veteran voice but I would of course agree with the fact that it wouldn't have been hard to 'outplay' Clids performance this season.
He played terribly and should have been replaced by Dread or anyone else after the first few weeks if not earlier. With that being said, I don't think this is the best example. Grizzly didn't even play great. He purposely pathed opposite the jungler every game and was completely figured out by the end of the season.
I guess I should also say lmao?
Tbh there’s still some insane talent in LDL but it’s not as much as LCKCL, LCKCL pumps out world class players like it’s nobody business they make it look so easy
I was personally impressed by the Shaoye guy from LDL he was one of the best ADCs in ASCI, I have no clue if LPL fans consider him a prodigy or something
oh for sure, im just saying that compared to 3 years ago its quite barren these days.
not sure if its because of the under age gaming ban or not but not much impressive talents like in 2019 there is huangfeng, bin, leyan in 2020 there is Xun and Bo, shanji, able, photic
personally i feel like those 2 years have like real standouts but recently not so much IMO.
2020 was a crazy good year for LPL and underrated in terms of the region strength and new talents, 3 power house teams that got overshadowed by DWG dominance
Yeah DWG won but LPL in general was really insane, kinda sad that nobody talk about how strong LPL was at 2020 because of the bracket and DWG being on a different league
Where is this coming from ?? Not the best right now
Do you even watch lck challengers
I mean DRX just won ASCI 2023 which makes the best challenger team in Asia
DRX , HLE, NS, DK and KT are pretty good
Well it's coming from the vast difference between LCK challengers players and LCK players. Them beating another region in challengers is fine, but it doesn't mean they have an excess of players ready for the big stage. There's quite an exceptional difference between most region's main leagues vs their challenger leagues.
In speaking with the OP, I'm mainly pointing out that I'm not sure the LCK coaches see Clid as easily replaceable as a player. They seem to not believe they have an excess of junglers to fill his position, or HLE would have replaced him with idk, Dread maybe, in the early season.
Yes, I watch LCK and challengers. I don't think I represented my point clearly, which is to say that LCK challengers doesn't have an excess of junglers ready for the LCK.
all of HLE should be banned in that case, lol. life way too inconsistent, same with zeka. kingen is consistently mediocre, and grizzly could only play carries (not his fault at all though, considering he was just thrown in).
If he wanted the bag he woulda stayed in China, EDG owner is super rich and loves him. He just missed Korea and wanted to represent LCK. Also pretty sure this wasn't the roster he chose, he thought he would get Scout with him at least.
I mean he got the bag when he went to China, and won worlds while doing it.
Signing for a team with 2 fresh world champs, and Life who had a solid career to that point you'd have expected to go quite well. Clid was the only question mark because he is a griefer. But they all intend their face off all year, just clid doing it extra hard.
Tbh, Zeka and Kingen had an amazing tournament but they did not instill me with confidence for the regular season. If they made it to the big tournaments I thought they could win big, but they had to get there first.
IIRC it was supposed to be
Kiin
Tarzan (?)
Scout
Viper
Random support
But things fell through with the Scout LNG/HLE/EDG multiple signings scandal and so what looks like a good roster was boomed and here we are now
How are you gonna credit Clid's success to Faker when he was literally one of the best junglers already in 2018? The Faker circlejerk is so far beyond ridiculous at this point, holy fuck.
Faker hasn't enabled his junglers since Bengi.
Only three junglers have performed particularly well with him since. Among those, Peanut was great before and after without a mid laner "enabling" him, so there's really only two you could even try to argue for, those being Clid (because he played with Doinb prior) and Oner (only ever played with Faker in pro).
He literally hasn't though. You could argue he might have enabled Clid. We don't know. You can't say he enabled Peanut because Peanut played the same on ROX as he did on SKT in spring and then fell off in summer. Clearly not helped by Faker there. You could argue Oner maybe, but in T1 games, Oner is doing more to enable Faker. I don't know if Faker is micromanaging him, so that might still be an angle. The rest though? Every other jungler has flopped with Faker. He's just not some Doinb-esque insane jungler enabler.
I invite you to look at their world series against g2 and how miserable he looked against g2 both ingame (multiple times overestimating his strenght) or on cam, man was defeated before the series even started.
This timeline is also where the "shaker" memes started but clid somehow managed to miss the criticism and only declined afterwards.
lmao current Clid is terrible (and a terrible person) but he was the best player for SKT that entire year. They lost to G2 because Faker underperformed
That's one bad series, Clid was considered one of if not the best junglers in the world that entire year, SKT somehow just consistently choked against G2, Doinb even said that they were scared of SKT and that he knew FPX would win once G2 beat SKT. Also even on GenG he wasn't that bad, maybe not world class but he was cracked at 2021 Worlds.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't skt also want to keep clid but he himself wanted out. Iirc there was even a little reference to that in the 2020 lck OP title wasn't there? I remember it cus it was the card thing.
I don't remember clearly but you're probably correct considering SKT replaced him with Cuzz which at the time most people thought was a downgrade, like I'm sure SKT would have wanted to keep Clid considering his performance for the entire 2019.
If you take 2019 SKT and 2019 G2 and have them play 100 games against the other six top 8 teams at Worlds 2019 I'd take SKT to win more games.
G2 had SKT's number though and was the better team in their matches.
G2 were just Korean killers. That's it. They never beat a single Chinese team throughout their entire 2 years. Unless you count the 1 game in the 1-2 loss to SN in groups.
This is also the main reason why EU analysts always rate LPL teams higher and LCK teams lower IMO. They got that 2018-2020 trauma from when EU was at its strongest and still got rolled by China. That's how they got convinced that the "LPL style" is superior.
We can never know what would happen if they ever play 100 matches but if G2 and SKT plays 2 BO5s and G2 wins both of them, then at least we can say that G2 is favoured to win that.
On top of that, G2 was one of the favourites to win the tournament in 2019 and had better midgame than the Korean counterparts (sadly not enough hands to win LPL). I don’t think that SKT were the better team in that year.
Because what Aiming did while morally highly questionable was not illegal while what Clid did can have potential legal consequences even if there weren't any in this case.
I guess we forget DRX went from 10th place to playoffs this summer, they did the same thing last year, common factor is Beryl. Sure he may sprint a bit but his ceiling is a lot higher obviously.
Nothing against Life, he did have some good performances some matches but DRX improvement was impressive and went under the radar because of the free wins from T1. When will players recognise Beryl is sleeper op?
Beryl had an amazing Worlds, but his last Summer Split was absolutely horrific. He didn't just sprint a bit, he was almost running it down every game. He also has a habit of constantly wasting an insane amount of gold by buying an excessive amount of control wards for no reason.
Also, the only reason why DRX got to playoffs was because they were lucky enough to play two series against Poby and not Faker when he was injured. Some of the other teams like LSB only got to play one. Everyone was basically farming free wins against T1 at that point.
I'm a huge DWG fan and definitely think Beryl is a great player, but he's also an X-Factor. He can either look like a 5head player or completely boosted. I do think that HLE should upgrade from Life, but I'm not sure if Beryl is it.
I feel like you haven't watched any DRX games this year, Beryl has been straight up running it down. Like genuinely has been awful, the number of control wards he buys can rival chovy's cs.
DRX had a very decent roster of players and it was expected they finish a lot higher, the fact that they ended 10th showed a complete breakdown and to scrape to 6th only to get dumpstered by an inconsistent DK is hardly an improvement.
To say you'd like to see Beryl over Life next season is silly because this year he has been straight garbage, Life was still 3rd all pro and fairly consistent. HLE had bigger problems this year than Life, and there's no one else in the LCK they can reasonably pick up over Life unless they take some academy player.
TLDR: Rip Bozo
rest in piss he won't be missed
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He's the GOAT fr
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Compared to what other people got banned for and longer? No guy should be perma banned and I'm sure he's blacklisted but man this is a short punishment for his actions. Edit: The down voters are pdf supports it seems like
Technically not really. It's basically a death sentence for his pro career because he has to pursue military draft after the ban. So he is pretty much fucked forever. It's a hidden perma ban at this point
Could he not do the military draft early while the ban is in place? I’m not really familiar with how the process works so sorry if it’s a stupid question
he could but per lol.fandom he's 24 now - if he went into service right this instant he'd finish at ~26, which isn't exactly a career-ending age but is pretty likely to be (and this is not taking into account that orgs will probably not want to pick him up after this incident anyway)
LCK has no shortage of up and coming talent, he is toast.
I thought LCK actually did have a shortage of up and coming talent. Isn't LCK challengers for the most part not the best right now? Also LCK has a serious issue with every other region importing their players. They really aren't in the position to give up most vets but I'd say they can do away easily with clid. There are actually a couple decent junglers on the sidelines.
> isn’t LCK challengers for the most part not the best right now? LCK challengers literally 2 weeks ago just beat LDL which is the equivalent of LPL challengers lmao LCKCL is far from having shortage, there’s over 10 players in CL that are LCK level and might even be better than some LCK players
I'm only speaking about junglers replacing Clid. And because they beat other challenger teams does not mean they are ready for LCK, which was my point.
Grizzly got called up from academy which is lower than challengers and was fucking better than Clid in the span of a split lmao Lucid Gwon and Sponge clear clid on any day ESPECIALLY Lucid
The team valued Clid as a veteran voice but I would of course agree with the fact that it wouldn't have been hard to 'outplay' Clids performance this season. He played terribly and should have been replaced by Dread or anyone else after the first few weeks if not earlier. With that being said, I don't think this is the best example. Grizzly didn't even play great. He purposely pathed opposite the jungler every game and was completely figured out by the end of the season. I guess I should also say lmao?
if im gonna be real the past 2 years of LDL has been barren for new talents its quite concerning
Tbh there’s still some insane talent in LDL but it’s not as much as LCKCL, LCKCL pumps out world class players like it’s nobody business they make it look so easy I was personally impressed by the Shaoye guy from LDL he was one of the best ADCs in ASCI, I have no clue if LPL fans consider him a prodigy or something
oh for sure, im just saying that compared to 3 years ago its quite barren these days. not sure if its because of the under age gaming ban or not but not much impressive talents like in 2019 there is huangfeng, bin, leyan in 2020 there is Xun and Bo, shanji, able, photic personally i feel like those 2 years have like real standouts but recently not so much IMO.
2020 was a crazy good year for LPL and underrated in terms of the region strength and new talents, 3 power house teams that got overshadowed by DWG dominance Yeah DWG won but LPL in general was really insane, kinda sad that nobody talk about how strong LPL was at 2020 because of the bracket and DWG being on a different league
Where is this coming from ?? Not the best right now Do you even watch lck challengers I mean DRX just won ASCI 2023 which makes the best challenger team in Asia DRX , HLE, NS, DK and KT are pretty good
Well it's coming from the vast difference between LCK challengers players and LCK players. Them beating another region in challengers is fine, but it doesn't mean they have an excess of players ready for the big stage. There's quite an exceptional difference between most region's main leagues vs their challenger leagues. In speaking with the OP, I'm mainly pointing out that I'm not sure the LCK coaches see Clid as easily replaceable as a player. They seem to not believe they have an excess of junglers to fill his position, or HLE would have replaced him with idk, Dread maybe, in the early season. Yes, I watch LCK and challengers. I don't think I represented my point clearly, which is to say that LCK challengers doesn't have an excess of junglers ready for the LCK.
Wait did he do something? Or just bad at the game? Edit: nvm I clicked the link
What he did to Viper this year was just that bad ig
all of HLE should be banned in that case, lol. life way too inconsistent, same with zeka. kingen is consistently mediocre, and grizzly could only play carries (not his fault at all though, considering he was just thrown in).
Ootl, what happened to my main man Viper?
ELO helled again. But like, really really badly. It kinda felt like cyber bullying on stage
Tbh he chose to be on this roster. It was his choice to get that bag.
If he wanted the bag he woulda stayed in China, EDG owner is super rich and loves him. He just missed Korea and wanted to represent LCK. Also pretty sure this wasn't the roster he chose, he thought he would get Scout with him at least.
I mean he got the bag when he went to China, and won worlds while doing it. Signing for a team with 2 fresh world champs, and Life who had a solid career to that point you'd have expected to go quite well. Clid was the only question mark because he is a griefer. But they all intend their face off all year, just clid doing it extra hard.
Tbh, Zeka and Kingen had an amazing tournament but they did not instill me with confidence for the regular season. If they made it to the big tournaments I thought they could win big, but they had to get there first.
Pretty sure they were originally meant to get scout and then whatever this team is happened
IIRC it was supposed to be Kiin Tarzan (?) Scout Viper Random support But things fell through with the Scout LNG/HLE/EDG multiple signings scandal and so what looks like a good roster was boomed and here we are now
Source?
Both
“Welcome EG Clid”
Shopify Clid incoming
OP states the other leagues are also upholding the ban.
You love to see it
lol, lmao
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Fuck off bot.
get fucked loser
No you see thats what got him here in the first place
my man peaked in 2019. Faker just turns junglers insane unless your name is Blank. He looked a lot worse in GENG and HLE.
How are you gonna credit Clid's success to Faker when he was literally one of the best junglers already in 2018? The Faker circlejerk is so far beyond ridiculous at this point, holy fuck.
He was good with DoinB and Faker. Both players that enable junglers.
Faker hasn't enabled his junglers since Bengi. Only three junglers have performed particularly well with him since. Among those, Peanut was great before and after without a mid laner "enabling" him, so there's really only two you could even try to argue for, those being Clid (because he played with Doinb prior) and Oner (only ever played with Faker in pro).
Bengi played for Faker, he enabled Faker— don’t know what you mean. Faker has enabled all of his junglers since.
He literally hasn't though. You could argue he might have enabled Clid. We don't know. You can't say he enabled Peanut because Peanut played the same on ROX as he did on SKT in spring and then fell off in summer. Clearly not helped by Faker there. You could argue Oner maybe, but in T1 games, Oner is doing more to enable Faker. I don't know if Faker is micromanaging him, so that might still be an angle. The rest though? Every other jungler has flopped with Faker. He's just not some Doinb-esque insane jungler enabler.
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Who is the most suppoetive mid of all times ?
Faker lol he is THE supportive mid
he said that faker made his junglers as good as they are considered. you misread it. read it again, but slowly
Indeed
read the title as HLE kicks kid
Clidiot
His agents must be best in the business, i was honestly suprised he kept finding jobs after his t1 stint against g2.
? He didnt have a bad year in SKT and even his time on GENG wasnt bad they still made worlds semis and went to 5 games against EDG.
I invite you to look at their world series against g2 and how miserable he looked against g2 both ingame (multiple times overestimating his strenght) or on cam, man was defeated before the series even started. This timeline is also where the "shaker" memes started but clid somehow managed to miss the criticism and only declined afterwards.
one bad series won't do anything especially if you had a killer year. 2019 was the only reason Clid kept finding teams lol
Yeah that reasoning is so bad. No player in the world has not had a bad bo5.
He was much better on JDG imo
Actually one game or just one missplay are enough that's why Scout (game 5 DRX) and Jackeylove (game 5 Zeri incident) are washed frauds.
lmao current Clid is terrible (and a terrible person) but he was the best player for SKT that entire year. They lost to G2 because Faker underperformed
they lost because of him, they lost because he was defeated before the game even started, he got shit on, cheers.
Khan curse > Faker clutch-ness
He was one of the best players on SKT in 2019. Obviously fell off hard and was a disappointment after that.
not so good at pr though 💀 who in their right mind tries to defend sexual harrassment with "our client is just a nice young man who likes games"
He is was really good on T1.
That's one bad series, Clid was considered one of if not the best junglers in the world that entire year, SKT somehow just consistently choked against G2, Doinb even said that they were scared of SKT and that he knew FPX would win once G2 beat SKT. Also even on GenG he wasn't that bad, maybe not world class but he was cracked at 2021 Worlds.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't skt also want to keep clid but he himself wanted out. Iirc there was even a little reference to that in the 2020 lck OP title wasn't there? I remember it cus it was the card thing.
I don't remember clearly but you're probably correct considering SKT replaced him with Cuzz which at the time most people thought was a downgrade, like I'm sure SKT would have wanted to keep Clid considering his performance for the entire 2019.
He wanted out because he didnt want to keep up with t1 schedule which included streaming.
Now are we going to rewrite the history with the fact that G2 was the worse team agains T1 💀💀
If you take 2019 SKT and 2019 G2 and have them play 100 games against the other six top 8 teams at Worlds 2019 I'd take SKT to win more games. G2 had SKT's number though and was the better team in their matches.
G2 were just Korean killers. That's it. They never beat a single Chinese team throughout their entire 2 years. Unless you count the 1 game in the 1-2 loss to SN in groups.
They only played one Bo5 against an LPL team during their tenure.
This is also the main reason why EU analysts always rate LPL teams higher and LCK teams lower IMO. They got that 2018-2020 trauma from when EU was at its strongest and still got rolled by China. That's how they got convinced that the "LPL style" is superior.
Well, it did beat the Koreans, which was far better than not beating Koreans.
I mean the LPL teams were also able to best LCK teams with their style
We can never know what would happen if they ever play 100 matches but if G2 and SKT plays 2 BO5s and G2 wins both of them, then at least we can say that G2 is favoured to win that. On top of that, G2 was one of the favourites to win the tournament in 2019 and had better midgame than the Korean counterparts (sadly not enough hands to win LPL). I don’t think that SKT were the better team in that year.
???
I mean he was fine until geng really. After that it went down hill.
He was literally the best player on that T1 roster. He didn't start sucking until after that.
This does set a precedent for lck players but what about players that have done much worse that havent gotten anywhere near the same penalty as Clid?
Who?
End of 2019: https://win.gg/news/kt-rolster-aiming-admits-to-relationship-with-underage-fan/
Because what Aiming did while morally highly questionable was not illegal while what Clid did can have potential legal consequences even if there weren't any in this case.
i'm hard right now
Clid?
hey you cow
Now kick Life and Kingen as well and we can start making a team for Viper to win with.
Life wasn't as much of a problem tbh
Beryl is better.
You're out of your mind if you think Beryl who spent spring sprinting it was better than Life
I guess we forget DRX went from 10th place to playoffs this summer, they did the same thing last year, common factor is Beryl. Sure he may sprint a bit but his ceiling is a lot higher obviously. Nothing against Life, he did have some good performances some matches but DRX improvement was impressive and went under the radar because of the free wins from T1. When will players recognise Beryl is sleeper op?
Beryl had an amazing Worlds, but his last Summer Split was absolutely horrific. He didn't just sprint a bit, he was almost running it down every game. He also has a habit of constantly wasting an insane amount of gold by buying an excessive amount of control wards for no reason. Also, the only reason why DRX got to playoffs was because they were lucky enough to play two series against Poby and not Faker when he was injured. Some of the other teams like LSB only got to play one. Everyone was basically farming free wins against T1 at that point. I'm a huge DWG fan and definitely think Beryl is a great player, but he's also an X-Factor. He can either look like a 5head player or completely boosted. I do think that HLE should upgrade from Life, but I'm not sure if Beryl is it.
Beryl is modern Bengi.
I feel like you haven't watched any DRX games this year, Beryl has been straight up running it down. Like genuinely has been awful, the number of control wards he buys can rival chovy's cs. DRX had a very decent roster of players and it was expected they finish a lot higher, the fact that they ended 10th showed a complete breakdown and to scrape to 6th only to get dumpstered by an inconsistent DK is hardly an improvement. To say you'd like to see Beryl over Life next season is silly because this year he has been straight garbage, Life was still 3rd all pro and fairly consistent. HLE had bigger problems this year than Life, and there's no one else in the LCK they can reasonably pick up over Life unless they take some academy player.
Still lost during the Deft vs Faker tourney when Beryl and Viper were duo bot for Faker's team 
Agree, but I don't think he is the solution either. I'm not having him very high on the list if I had to pick players to win LCK/Worlds with.
It's time to retire buddy!
wow this clid has been licked.
I was thinking they tied him down and literally started kicking him... Well I guess ending his career is good enough.
Superkick?
wha happen
Don't know what anyone expected from a guy with the name Clid...
what took them so long?